These statistics compare the passing success of Arsenal captain, Cesc Fabregas, Paul Scholes and Anderson in the games they’ve played against each other for Manchester United and Arsenal.
The stats are taken from all the games where at least two of the three players featured and show how many passes per minute were successfully completed, as well as what percentage of their attempted passes were completed.
The purpose of the diagrams is to show the range of passing. Players like Denilson have a high completion rate, but unlike Scholes, Fabregas and Anderson, doesn’t attempt many long range passes.
[edit] For all the overly sensitive Goons who have come flocking in, desperate to comment on a Manchester United blog (?), I’ll stress that at no point in this article does it say which player is better than another. This article simply compares the effectiveness of the passing between the key midfielders when the teams meet. Given that Cesc Fabregas will soon play for the best team in the world, it is interesting for Manchester United fans to see how our players compare. So put your dummies back in and feel free to provide any other statistics/arguments about anything else related. [/edit]
Conclusions
- Scholes has the highest passing success rate with an average of 89% completion (90%, 96% and 82%). Anderson has the second highest passes success rate with an average of 82% completion (93%, 89%, 78% and 66%). Finally, Fabregas with an average of 73% completion (77%, 72%, 76%, 75%, 73% and 65%).
- Fabregas has the highest number of successful passes per minute on the pitch, 0.6 (284 passes in 476 mins). Scholes has the second highest number of successful passes per minute on the pitch, 0.48 (111 passes in 233 mins). Then Anderson, 0.34 (91 passes in 266 mins).
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we already know he shits on fabregas … and so does scholes
nobdoy should mess with the ginger prince.
doesnt always tell the whole story. I agree that both anderson and scholes are great passers and it infuriated me when Steve Mcmanaman claimed that Anderson was weak in that area. To be fair though there is much more pressure placed on Fabregas to have to pull ALL the strings for Arsenal and therefore he has to take more chances in his passing, especially in advanced areas.
Scholes>Fab…but I still wouldnt mind seeing him in a United shirt…will never happen though
I mean, what really is the point of this article? Quite boring to be honest!
Stats that we already know. The Ginger prince owns fabregas.
AND HE SHITS ON FABREGAS!
And what? you bitter northern paupers should stick to rating your own not casting jealous glances at ours. Add goals and assists to that massaged statistic and we will see who is better over the last two or three seasons. Fabregas, obviously. He stands out over your two by a country mile. Maybe Scholes in his prime could have given it a bit of a run but not any more. And no-one to replace him with…you lot must be worried. No money, ageing squad – just look at Chelski to see what you guys have got to look forward to next season
Cheerio!
Cesc plays far more risky balls than either of them, so purely comparing pass completion stats says absolutely nothing. Your stats would say that Denilson is better than all of the above. Nice one.
excuse me. who’s fabregas?
Berbatov’s Love Life @ 14:59
Cesc at OT would be great but he misses a lot of games through injury. If you are going to spend a kings ransom on a player you want him to have some durability.
I have seen a few games in the Bundesliga this year. Nuri Sahin of Dortmund……wow.
Scholes in his younger days was probably one of the best midfielders around, but comparing the performance on fab and shcoles and anderson, in just games when the play against one another isnt really all that fair, especially considering that arsenal have tended to struggle against utd recently, and to be fair utd have had a better team for a few years now, so fab’s performance has probably and as such stats have suffered as he’s having to do more work with poorer players, or at the very least players not stepping up and providing the same performance levels and support that some of the utd players do…
in summation, you’s could have scholes (now) anderson, carrick and fletcher and id still prefer fabregas… he is already one of the best creative midfielders there is, and he will only get better… when he goes back to barca within 1 – 2 seasons, i can see him being the best in the world, as having better players around him will only help him improve
I think this is one of those times that analysing stats doesn’t tell the whole story. I admit that Scholes quality is not in doubt but can you seriously tell me any neutral at any other club outside Arsenal or Utd would plump for Anderson over Fabregas. You would need to look at it further in tems of the types of passes being made. If you have a player making half the passes that Fabregas is he is involved in the game less, and if he is making simple passes sideways most of the time a high passing success rate is inevitable. The fact is that Fabregas is constantly trying to open up the defence with forward passes and these are more likely to be intercepted more often than a sideways pass. Anyone can see that Fabregas is currently the most frequently influential player in the game out of the 3 and doesn’t hide and play it safe to protect passing stats. Scholes is excellent but with his age now he will not have Fabregas level of influence as often throughout the season. Very misleading article me thinks. The key would be to ask other fans at other clubs who of the 3 they would have and that will tell you everything you need to know.
Now lets compare the assists and goals over the last 3-4 seasons
Fabregas has been the HIGHEST assister in the league 4 of the last 5 seasons and more goals than scholes, thats the stats that matter the most. he is more incisive that Scholes who i admire as a player. Scholes was nowhere near where Fabregas was at his age.
Scholes didnt wint he World cup at 23
Scholes didnt win the European Championship at 22
Scholesy is a legend but i think this comparison is now beyond Scholes, fabregas is now a better player
So what is the point of this? Are you suggesting that either Scholes or Anderson are better midfielders than Fabregas? I thought Fletcher was the best midfielder in the world – where are his stats?
How about showing stats for goals and assists per minute for all three midfielders in all games, or some other meaningfull statistics.
Cesky – ahem, tinpot club, team full of foreign bottlers, no club identity, managers a kiddy fiddling excuse merchant, shit fans (emirates makes old trafford seem loud every week) where are your champions leagues? where is your history? Where are your trophies? Spurs have overtaken you.
Opposition fans should be worried that we are at our worst yet still better than them. We will improve in the summer and wont be this bad for another 5 years at least, so if you cant beat us now what hope have you got next year? Your not taking your chance and you will be sorry!
WHO THE FUCK ARE MAN UNITED! AND THE REDS GO MARCHING ON ON ON
Scholes and Anderson are better than Fabregas. Scholesy of any year is miles better thn Fabregas can even dream to be and Ando has already proved he is better. Arsenal – no money, ageing squad, no quality , just like Chelsea, finished. Doesnt matter what some nancy southern thinks, Arsenal are fucked, Scholesy and Ando are better than the entire Arsenal squad and thats a fact. Time to become Champions for the 19th time, the futuee is Manchester United, our world class squad will make sure of that.
Im sorry to say I’d rather have Fabregas then Anderson any day of the week. Fabregas breaks down defences and takes risks. When Ando does that he loses the ball. Scholes at his prime was in a league of his own so I’ll take him out of this argument. When you bring it down to Ando and Fabregas there is only one winner im afraid.
@Cesky – As good as Fabregas is, he doesnt even wanna play for you so i really wouldnt be talking about next year mate. He’ll be playing alongside Xavi and Iniesta if he gets his way.
“No money, ageing squad – just look at Chelski to see what you guys have got to look forward to next season Cheerio!”
Youve been reading too much Piers Morgan mate and i really dont want to show you how many times Fergie has made old Piers eat his own words! 6 Years and counting Mr Gooner!
Fabregas is better than anderson and im a united fan however, no one who loves football can say that fabregas is better than scholes. Hell, even fabragas admits this. Dont agree with me gooners? Go ask zidane, lippi, del piero, davids, xavi or maybe even your own like viera or henry!
The is only one and will only ever be the greatest technical english midfielder ever, also the most loyal of one club men, the great paul scholes.
@Mannie – Fabregas was not even a bit part player in either the world cup or Euro cup. Anderson has a champs league medal and Fabregas doesnt. Does this mean he is better? It’s not Scholeseys fault England are shit and played him out of position to accomodate Gerrard and lampard.
love the stats
more please
so what??
first of all you dont talk about interceptions/tackles which is also an imp part of the game of a CM..
am sure we expect ando is better than both of them in that area,but its a very underappreciated part of fabregas’s game..
And assists fab 2- 0 ando+ scholes
Fabregas n Scholes r great players cause they are consistent..same cant be said of ando….yet..
‘Fabregas was not even a bit part player in either the world cup or Euro cup. ‘
providing the assist for the winning goal in the world cup final not worth much to you i guess? dear oh dear…
scholes : past it. once brilliant, let his country down by retiring, but sadly past it now.
anderson : honestly, you clowns rate him?
fabregas : coveted by just about every club out there. many bids for anderson lately?
Fuck fabregas.. why bother doing an article on the little prick.
He doesnt want to play for Arsenal. He does suit them perfectly though, especially as captain.. a moaning little pussy, for a team managed by a moaning lanky pussy and a team supported by a crowd of pussies that never sing, never create atmosphere and a team mad eup of little pussies who have never won shit..
moderating my comment? because it makes the whole article look stupid? good work.
besides scoring in the 2-2 draw a couple of seasons ago what has fabregas done against United and Chelsea? That little snood-wearing prick Nasri has had more contribution than Fabregas. … Five years running since the 2005 FA Cup Final, which was not only the one of the most one-sided finals in the history of the competition, but it was handed to you on a silver platter.
If you look at the passes, it is Fabregas who is most ambitious with his passing, whereas Scholes is setting up for others to attack and have the final ball, Fabregas is looking to provide the killer touch himself.
This damages his overall passing accuracy, but, more importantly, increases his assist ratio. It pays dividends – look at his assists in this match, and the most important assist of the last 4 years in football, (no, not Wes to CR7!) the pass to Iniesta that gave Spain the World Cup.
Fabregas is a truly great player, and one I would have at OT in an instant.
Nevertheless, Scholes is a true great too, but in a different way – he controls the game and keeps possession and dictates tempo for his team. In other words, Scholes is a midfield maestro.
Anderson has much to learn from both of them, although I am more reminded of Fabregas when I see him than a bustling Scholes.
It is foolish to compare Fabregas and Anderson. Fabregas is obviously more creative but that doesn’t mean Anderson lacks creativity. Anderson CAN tackle. Anderson CAN be an enforcer. Anderson has got a monster work rate.
In short Anderson has the ability to be a complete box to box midfielder.
So tell me Mannie. Shouldn’t we also start comparing the amount of titles these guys have collected for their clubs? No I don’t think you want to.
Sure Fabregas is a point player, but just counting assists isn’t accurate.
you’re a joke mate. you dont put up a comment that makes you realise how poor an article it is. pathetic. this wont get posted either so not sure why i’m bothering.
Alex -
presuming you’re a Gooner…could you tell me why Arsenal fans always choose to cite that Fabregas assisting a goal in the World Cup final makes him amazing. Great game. Biggest game in the world do to it granted, but he IS a bit-part player for Spain….that assist doesn’t change that…
Ando shitting on Fabregas. Nothing new there.
Pointless article to be honest. Scholes is a better passer than Fabregas, we know that. Scholes is the best in the business. And Mannie, Fabregas has more assists and goals than Scholes in recent years, yes, but have a look at what they do for the team. Scholes is the conductor from the heart of midfield. Fabregas plays in a position where he gets far more opportunities to get those goals and assists. And no, Fabregas is not the better player. Even if we agree they’re equal in terms of passing, Scholes is the better finisher and a far better header of the ball.
as usual the gooner shite are infecting the blog. They are just like their creepy manager, cant take crticism..
Jack – The stats go back to 2006 and Arsenal have won some of the games shown above. What isn’t “fair”? I’m comparing the effectiveness of our central midfielders with Fabregas in the games we’ve played against each other. Can you explain why it isn’t “fair” to compare players in games they’ve played against each other?
Gary – Feel free to compile any stats you like.
Alex – Kleberson provided an assist in the World Cup final for Brazil. He played more for Brazil than Fabregas did for Spain too.
Sorry, did you have a point?
Geo – My, my, aren’t you precious? An Arsenal fan so upset about not seeing their comment on an Arsenal blog appear automatically. Obsessed much? Poor ickle Goon. Hint: Look at the diagrams above which show the passes. You’ll see that actually Fabregas doesn’t attempt more “risky” passes than Scholes/Anderson. But well done for trying and thank you for throwing a hissy fit to keep us entertained. Bless.
Cesky, why don’t u Remind me wat he’s won at arsenal?
Now fuck off u southern fairy
Scholes>Fabregas>Anderson
haha
the gooner shite are a precious lot aren’t they? like their creepy manager is right..
fuck off to an arsenal blog..
*unrelated*
Just wanted to add, Scott, that I have been a silent reader of your blog for years, and have only recently decided to post comments and get involved in discussions. Think you’re the best United blogger on the net. And that includes the club-sanctioned columns. Apart from SAF
I hope the Gooner faithful can tell by the stupidity of this article just how hit-based this blog is.
Constantly using “banter” as a way to generate hits.
Nobody in their right mind would think Anderson better than Cesc, and anyone who does is merely displaying stupidity, or at best a ridiculous amount of loyalty.
By the way, Cesc plays and passes a lot further up the pitch than Scholes, and goals, assists and interceptions are as vital a stat to a midfielder as pass completion.
But you knew that already, didnt you? I hope the rest of the Goonersphere can see what your game is, thats the only way to stop the stupid rot.
Awwwh….poor cesky…..”Scholes in his prime could have given it a bit of a run but not any more” – yeah, thats why Scholes has won shed loads of honours at United and Cesc has just a charity shield and fa cup winners medal with your shitearse team!
Cesc is a poor mans Scholes – hence your team is shite even with him and Scholes is still pulling the strings even at the ripe old age of 36.
Then theres the loyalty factor – actually theres no point in going into that as cesc hasnt got one ounce of loyalty to Arsenal…..
Fuck me – even Kleberson shits on fabregas…..
I may be a Manchester United supporter but Fabregas is for me one of the best midfielders right now, his passing is exceptional and he chips in the odd few goals too. I actually envy the the midfielders that Arsenal have where as at United our midfield can’t score to save their life sometimes or they are easily bullied off the ball. If I had to pick between Carrick, Ando, O’Shea, Fletcher, Scholes and Fabregas, I would pick Fabregas because he is brilliant. People say he can’t get into the Spanish team so what, he would be able to walk into any other team in the world, Spain are lucky to be blessed with having players that are exceptionally good in that area.
So I guess we know who Darth Scholes’ padawan is.
Don’t worry Arsenal idiots, Cesc will not be at the emirates next season. he will be off to spain …
To all the fucking guuners
Fabregas would be leaving you.So you guys dont worry about our future worry about your boring and pathetic future.Anyways hope you guys beat our neighbours otherwise your father wenger would be blaming cameraman for your loss.
Rocky>Drago>Creed
last season in BPL fabregas had total of 30 goals+assists in 27 games.
since the 2006/07 season he has 94 goals+ assists in 132 games..
u cant attack fabregas with stats..its moronic..
only player u can compare him with is Rooney who has a similar figure in the same period..
Happy stating
Umm
I am a diehard United fan but Anderson over Fabregas is just lunacy. Fabregas scores more, assists a SHIT LOAD more, i mean look at his stats for the past few seasons.
Fabregas plays riskier passes and can carry a team, thats something Anderson cant do anymore and something that Scholes cant do week in week out at his age.
who cares about stats really? the only stats i care about is trophy stats..
and we all know who wins that dont we gooner shite??
Thunderlips > Rocky > Drago
The Goonersphere! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Fucking yellow submarine belly-up in the bermuda triangle!
to compare a midfielder off the striker and a midfielder playing from box to box by assists and goals is lunatic.
I would rather have a 32 yo Paul Scholes in the team instead of Fabregas.
Same about Ando, but I won’t say that he’s far better than fabregas. It’s just that his workrate is immense and something that Fabregas can’t provide to his team.
Thunderlips lol. He ain’t no machine!
@Zelh
Anyone can provide workrate
players like Scholes and Fabregas (yes I think at the end of his career he will be in the same league) are rare, one in a million
Clubber Lang was the reall badass of the franchise. He made Thunderlips and Drago look like Nasri, snood and all.
United – Yeah they are one offs.
Could you imagine Fabregas doing the same work Ando is doing in midfield? I can’t.
He played a few times box to box due to injury problems in the squad and he was woeful.
In fact Fabregas is the better one, but I still would prefer Ando, because I would be sick by hearing week in week out that he wants to play for an other club.
just shows how insecure (creatively) you lot feel when you compare fabregas with anderson .LOL
Scholes (at his peak , i.e. a good decade back) vs Fabregas would be an interesting comparison.
But, Anderson and Fabregas = comedy gold.
Fabregas has had 30+ goals+assists contributions for the past 3 seasons in the LEAGUE . Dont kid yourselves .
Dont see Anderson producing anywhere near those numbers. Let him do it for ONE fucking season and then this asinine piece would have had some credence.
A more meaningful comparison would be with a player from a club that has won something recently.
@Doghouse
Haha, true that. Ando and Scholes should be compared to players that know how to do the business at the very top level.
Doghouse , were you around 1968 – 1992 ?
Or , is your Manu love “new” found ?
Arindam@KOL – You’re attempt at humor failed mate, try again. Viva Lenny Bruce!
Arindam@KOL – Sorry, can you point out to the part in the article where it’s comparing Fabregas AS A PLAYER vs Anderson AS A PLAYER.
I thought it was fairly clear. These stats are comparing how effective the passing of these players are when United and Arsenal play against each other. Is that a difficult concept for you Goons?
I’m just getting these things in when I can. I don’t have access to stats for La Liga so won’t be able to compare our players with Fabregas next season. Don’t cry.
There was a wrestler called Manu, but Doghouse probably wasn’t refering to him. Try again and you may get the name right next time.
Scott , care for a assists + goals stats piece involving the same trio ?
Just curious.
Hahahahahaha! Even with STR’s “9Edit)2 to the gooners they still flock to defend…
There is nothing to defend!
Scott never said these stats ‘tell the whole story’
No one here is jealous of Arsenal!!
Sorry if a goon actuall came here and constructively contributed, but the first 5 or so just jumped to conclusions like that sad bastard in Office Space!!! ‘erm… erm… my stapler…”
TWATS!
Simply don’t bother with that mob Scott. They’d argue their fucking mums were virgins if you told them they’d been fucked before! TWATS
@Park Life
They don’t seem to get do they? And Scott knows this. A master plan on his behalf to draw the here. So predictable.
How could guuners love and respect fabregas when they know that he hardly cares for them.
Its like when a girl friend is having an affair with another guy and the her boyfriend knows about it but still loves her.
Arsenal are seriously a claseless club.
GoonerDave, you are TopTWAT…
Well done for generating a ‘hit’ for OUR website! and don’t blame Newsnow or any other feeble excuse…
I hope STR uses the advertising money from your mobs’ ‘hits’ and sponsors a Wenger Paedo Banner with the (c) Bought by Gooner Money… FUCK YOUR FUCKING FANNY OFF YOU TWAT!!!!
@Ash
“Its like when a girl friend is having an affair with another guy and the her boyfriend knows about it but still loves her.”
erm, Cristiano Ronaldo ?
“Arsenal are seriously a claseless club”.
CLASE(sic) oozing out of that statement , son.
I’m a United fan, but honestly; this article is just really pathetic. Cesc Fabregas is a more complete midfielder than Scholes and Anderson are. He’s simply a better player.
United4Life – Where in this article does it say anything about who is the better player? Obviously you can’t judge who is a better player based on the passing ability shown in 6 games over 4 years. I thought that was fairly obvious…?
Is the title not clear enough?
For all u fucking gooners that love reading this great site
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1340098/Cesc-Fabregas-admits-Arsenal-bottle-big-games.html
great captain(!)
Yes, United went 25/26 years, without winning the title, but Arsesnood have never won the European cup in their history. Never even retained the league under the whinger, gotta hurt that.
LoL with Costas!
It’s like STR is Sir Alex, preparing for the visit of Wenger and his twatty mob.
Preparing for the pathetic whinging & churlish blame throwing
Preparing for the excuses they’ll have once it’s done.
And preparing to laugh whole-heartedly at the sheer lack of awareness, intellegence and fucking manhood from the TWATS!!
Arindam needs a fucking brain transplant… Even your gooner mates will agree mate… Get in that NHS queue lad!!!
Scott the Red:
‘Alex – Kleberson provided an assist in the World Cup final for Brazil. He played more for Brazil than Fabregas did for Spain too.
Sorry, did you have a point?’
I wrote:
‘Fabregas was not even a bit part player in either the world cup or Euro cup. ‘
providing the assist for the winning goal in the world cup final not worth much to you i guess? dear oh dear…
If you READ i responded to a comment, not the crap article, stating innacurately that fabregas was ‘NOT EVEN A BIT PART PLAYER’ and I pointed out the blinkered stupidity of the comment. Surely someone who was not even a bit part player wouldn’t even be on the pitch?
Comedy article as always, just shows your fear and knowledge of how weak you are, and get turned down by your transfer targets. Oh wait, thats wrong, you DID get Owen.
I look forward to tonights unpunished Neville red card/penalty tackle, his 3rd of the season. Haven’t checked, howard webb tonight is it?
Another rib tickler from the Arseholes, United get everything from the refs, ah shucks.
@ Willie
LoL @ Arsnood!! hope that sticks! It should be knitted into their fucking kits! Bet the fans will want them in the replica shirts too, THE SOFT TWATS!! whinging at pure stats…
United4life – mate, way to try sound clever and fail… Epic fail!
It seems people are incapable of analysing statistics at a basic form. it’s just PASSING!!!!!!!!!!!
Most of the arguments against are just based on a completely wrong perspective of the article, even WITH the STR explaination at the end… now THAT’s pathetic.
Fabregas over Anderson any day?? You won’t be saying that in 2 years! and yes Ando is bout 21/22
willie , how many pens have been awarded to away teams in the league at OT over the past 5 years ?
Maybe STR can throw some bland stats in our faces of the top 4 sides conceding pens at home.
Will be enligtening , let me tell you.
@willie
You know it’s true mate. Their reserve goalie said so. In the midtime, I am thinking of writing a book about proper tackling and I will involve Gallas’ tackle against Bolton as well as some of the stuff we saw at Old Trafford last month. Clean and fair play at its finest.
last time I checked Fabregas was 23.
And he has been at this level since age 18.
Arindam@KOL
Haaa, Ronaldo? Naah, mate you are having a laugh. We bought him for practically nothing and sold him for 80 million. During his time at United he helped us win so many trophies. Did united fans love him? Hmm, I personally didn’t. Was he an outstanding player? Hell yeah. Did we think that he would retire at our club? Nope. Always knew he would go to sunny Spain. Therefore, I really dont see your point. It was a total win-win. We got money and performances out of him. We move on.
Now, Fabregas leaving Arsenal for Barca must truly hurt, especially that his reasons are quiet clear. Barca >>>>> Le Arse. No point trying to convince yourself otherwise. Fabregas is un ungrateful little bitch that is clearly too big-headed, ha.he aint good enough for Barca. Wenger was even stupid enough to make him Captain. Pfft, dont be fooled, Arsenal are a glorified version of Man City, with the whole Tevez saga. Making him captain wont make him stay. But I respect him for not lacking ambition like the rest of your team that seem satisfied with remaining in the qualification zone for the Champions league instead of actually winning things.
And yes, Arsenal are classless.
Costas ,
dont forget to include Rio’s kung fu kick on Sagna’s chest in it.
just re-read this. you chose to omit denilson. well, what on earth is the point of this crap if you massage it to ‘prove’ some nonsensical point [which both sets of fans are at a loss to understand]
do yourself a favour, forget the hasty edit born of embarassment, and take the whole article down. quite pathetic.
@Arindam@KOL
Sure why not? Don’t mind mentioning when a United player escapes a yellow or a red. That’s your manager’s problem. That selective blindness that he suffers from everytime a decision goes Arsenal’s way…
Sketch,
Cesc would always go back to Barca one day. We were under no such illusions the Manu fans shared about Ronaldo or even , Rooney.
And dont piss your pants yet , Cesc aint leaving next season.
On the other hand , the northern cunt Rooney – well that went down well.
Correct me if I am wrong , didn’t he want to go to your next door neighbours ??? LOL
Didnt he say that he didnt believe Manu had good enough players to win anything ? Didnt he humilate the club in public ? THE CUNT ?
Really classy , right ?
Cesky ur comment is absolutely rubbish,u said united is playing wit ageing players.were u not ashamed dat united always edge past ur goners wit ageing players? I blv ur club management shld be charge for child abuse,dat is fielding player dat r suppose to be in secondary school -trash-
Alex, get a life and FUCK OFF!!
We will refund you the advertising money from your hits on this site if needs be.. just simply fuck off!
Save your PETTY arguements for the Le Pub with your snood wearing poncey twatmates…
‘Comedy article as always’???????
maybe take that back about the refunds as you’d probably make us all broke…
And a wee dig at G NEV?? He has more winners medals than YOUR WHOLE SQUAD PUT TOGETHER!!!
Go cry a river to Howard Webb and see if we give a toss..
The same officials robbed us of the title last year, but of course, you didn’t see it… y’MUG.
Right, gotta tag out till tea, Costas, Willie et al please continue to swiftly swat these twats off our blog wall. They are like vermin and will spout utter shite for attention
Arindam@KOL – No need for STR to bring out some bland stats on how many penalties United get at OT, we’ve got you gooners to do that for us mate. All the top teams get dodgy decisions at their home grounds, you need to get over the fact we’ve been better than yous, this last few years.
Arindam@KOL
You saw that kick? Sagna didn’t.
@Park Life
I think I’ll take a pass too. I’ve got more fun things to do until the Stoke game. See you then.
Arindam@KOL
Again you are clearly wrong. I, for one always knew Ronaldo would go back to Spain, Rooney on the other hand was quiet a shock, but hey. He is staying.
Tbh, I dont give a shit whether Fabregas goes or stays, he does nothing to our title challenges, I would go as far as suggesting that he is useless against us. Completely invisible, cant even rememeber whether he played or not this year..
Rooneys desire to leave to City is something no one knows for sure. I personally believe that he would have never went there but many would disagree, but at the end of the day no one knows what went on that day of the meeting between SAF and Rooney.
I dont care what Mr Rooney says, he can have an opinion. I dont believe he humiliated the “team” like you suggest but, only himself. He looked like a total prick, especially when you consider his form, and the fact that HE was the one letting the club down and the one playing like a complete liability. Im pretty sure players like Nani and Berba didnt appreciate his comments, but thats life.
United move on, and keep winning things. Simply because SAF knows how to win. Now, Arsenal? Yeah, they are just a bunch of whiners that havent won shit in a long time.
Non-sir-Alex
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now kindly just go
why not Denilson??
I’ll even tell you that you complete tool!
Because Scott wanted to compare our currently best CM players’ PASSING with your best, and I’d go so far as saying one of the best in the world. SO DENILSON CAN GO SUCK ASS FOR ALL WE CARE!!
we do what we want because it’s a UNITED BLOG!!!
Don’t you get it yet??
Back to top (of this comment!)
click on the google search result and go wank with the other Arsnood fans about how pretty your short square passes are.
Bye
Don’t even think of another non-witty retort/comment
just go.
20:00 Costas, see you then!
Hope Arsnoods have the Ballet on or summet ;O)
@Park Life
Hahahah. Great comment!
Arsnood= Genuis pal, Im going to refer to those Arse-fans as Arsnoods from now on. cheers!
ha ha so easy to wind you twats up nowadays
you used to have a quiet assurance you couldn’t ruffle, its almost as if you’re becoming a bit tetchy, biting back. It’s not just since rooney made your club a laughing stock, its been growing for a quite a while…
It’s been growing for quite a while. Yeah, the moss in your trophy cabinet.
a truly, truly funny deflection.
What is the point of this article if it’s not to show that Scholes/Anderson are in some way better than Fabregas.
Seriously?! If the results showed that Fabregas had a better pass completion/statty superiority, would it be on this blog?
If anything Scott, you’ve shot yourself in the foot. You’ve had to whittle your statistics down to the occassions where utd and arsenal have played each other, during which the run of play has generally been in utd’s favour (the scoreline’s speak for themselves). The fact that you’ve chosen one very specific kind of analysis kind of indicates that Fabregas generally shits on the other two in every other department other than “passing when the two teams play each other”.
At least be honest about your intentions of this article – otherwise what’s the point of it.
From an arsenal hating utd fan.
FABREGAS > ANDERSON
SCHOLES >>>>>>>>> FABREGAS
WHEN FABREGAS CAN INFLUENCE BIG GAMES AND MATCH SCHOLES TROPHY CABINET OVER A 15 YEAR PLUS PERIOD THEN HES ALLOWED TO SIT AT THE SAME TABLE.
Ok, a lot of people think that there is no legitimacy to these statistics but here is one that all of us will find interesting:
it has been 2,054 days since Arsenal last touched a piece of silverware.
i don’t think half of your first team was live then, either.
Oi u sad gooners cunts, how’s this for stats-
Anderson 3league titles, 1 European cup
fabregas fuck all
Dig into that u sad cunts
Great statistics Scott, enjoyed reading that – it would be interesting to contrast that with successful tackles made in those same matches, so we can see what these players do going backwards as well as forward. We already know what Scholes is all about, but I think Ando does alot of break up play too, more so than Cesc. The Brazilians got more to his game than just passing, he also splits defences from time to time with the ball stuck like glue to his boots, and constantly nicks the ball of opposition. Cesc is a quality player, if not for his level of development at a young age (he’s been playing at the high end of the league for a long time) – but for me Ando is head and shoulders the better prospect, he just needs more and more games under his belt – the only aspect thats lacking is his goals, and Alec’s said on the training pitch he’s got one of the better shots!
United. Strange name considering a lot if your posts seem to bitch about united. Fgabreghas aint in the same fucking leahue son as a thirty six year old nebermind in his prime. To all you mouthy southern fairies come back when cesc has done the business in a BIG GAME and I will listen.
Bastard phone. Fabregas. And a thirty six year old paul.
Fabregas is a great player, no doubt about that and yes better than Andi fir the time being.
But you can’t even dare compare him to scholsy.
I think that Zidane sums it up :
“He’s almost untouchable in what he does. I never tire of watching him play. You rarely come across the complete footballer, but Scholes is as close to it as you can get.
“One of my regrets is that the opportunity to play alongside him never presented itself during my career.”
… 1 more thing… i’d just like to state, for the record, that ray parlour was an objectively better footballer than paul gascoigne. anyone who doesn’t believe me simply needs to look at the stats
* FA Premier League – winner 1998, 2002, 2004
* FA Cup – winner 1993, 1998, 2002, 2003; runner-up 2001
* League Cup – winner 1993
* European Cup Winners Cup – winner 1994; runner-up 1995
* UEFA Cup – runner-up 2000
vs
* FA Cup: 1991
Scott,
I love your blog and the things that you write – what i like most is your attention for details even when you look at stats – but by omitting a few details you have changed the context of these stats (red tinted specs – i suppose).
Anyway-
i think you should look at the passing stats and see the areas in which the passes have been made/ missed by Fabregas, Anderson and Scholes. You will find the following (and the stats will surely back it up):-
- Fabregas has a similar/ greater pass percentage in areas where Anderson and Scholes have been passing the ball
- Fabregas has more assists than both players
- Fabregas has more attempted passes in the final third and like all of us who watch football know – thats the area where a good central midfielder needs to dominate.
- Scholes stats in such matches in 1990′s would be much better than Fabregas, these stats just reflect a time when he has started playing like a quarter-back with little to no- box to box movement
JUST FYI- Im not a Fabregas fan and quite dislike him, but i would not question his class/ suggest that he is not a more effective overall player than the midfield we have at the club. If we get a player like Fabregas (and Anderson is capable – just not as effective yet) in our midfield, we as a team would get back into the Barcelona bracket (like we were in 2008-09).
Feel free to disagree, but analyze the stats again- i would love to be proved wrong.
Lets see how good cesc is when he is 36…Right now..Scholsesy>fab>ando..
One comment: Cesky, outside now you patronizing, idiotic cunt.
Hah, touchy Arsenal supporters. So quick to defend a soon-to-be ex-player. Let’s see how much he can fetch for Arsenal… once they lose Fabregas, they’re gonna have to change their game so much… I wonder who they can revolve their play around now. None of the rest look capable of carrying the team.
the stupidest comment i have read is mannie’s. Fabregas has won the World Cup and the Euro, Ando and Scholes have not. So what? That is international football.. not club football. Fabregas has been a PASSENGER in both competitions. Never been in anyway a fixture in the starting line-up. I wont go as stupid as that to counter Fabregas’ international medal with Ando’s and Scholes’ club medals.
You arsenal fans should be honoured we put Fabregas’ stats here on a United blog for comparison to Scholes.
nah it cheapens fabregas to have him mentioned alongside those 2 worthless cloggers. it’s distasteful.
“Fabregas has been a PASSENGER in both competitions. Never been in anyway a fixture in the starting line-up.”
I would have thought United fans would be aware of the value of having a complete squad not simply a starting eleven.
Fabregas started more than one match in the 06 world cup when he was a teenager
In 2008 he made 3 assists and scored a goal. He was unquestionably man of the match after coming on after half an hour in the semi final so then started in the final
In 2010 he was coming off an injury yet still got a fair amount of game time, coming of the bench when the quarter final and final were level, and setting up the goal that won the world cup.
He has 58 caps for the best team in the world at the age of 23. Paul Scholes, obviously an all time great, didn’t play a match for England until he was 22 and only ever received 66 caps.
If you really don’t rate such a clearly excellent player then that’s fine but relying upon skewed facts and outright lies doesn’t reflect well. I’ve never understood the need many fans have to try and belittle the top players at other clubs. If the best Arsenal player is so much below the expected man utd level then how can you even gain any sense of achievement at regularly beating them and coming above them in the league?
Alex – Are you an idiot? You sound like one. Did your mummy, give you the breast too much, or not enough maybe?
112.
some gooners dont even understand english.
just like their french manager
author said that he is not trying to prove who is better player, but simply stating a fact about the passing of 3 players.
have to whine about everything, dont you?
Mannie,
Fabby played bit parts in Spain’s WC and European Nations Cup titles. Xavi and Iniesta where the MF dynamos for Spain in both. On the other hand when Fabby raises the CL trophy with Arsenal than let’s talk.
And, when Fabregas came on, Holland were down to 10 men. Arsenal again fail the test against City, We’re really worried down here, ahhhhhhhh
You want a real stat?
Fabregas has 80 assists in 4 years (prem)
Scholes has 34 assists in his career at Man u (prem)
Say no more.