Reports in the Evening News suggest Manchester United and Liverpool fans are set to join forces to battle against the unwanted owners.
When the Glazer takeover was confirmed towards the end of the 2005 season, our fans were in mourning. We showed up at the FA Cup final wearing black, chanting against the Glazers with our banners for all to see.
We played Liverpool a few weeks in to the following season and they were ecstatic about our situation. “USA! USA!” they mocked.
When Liverpool then saw American owners come in, their reaction was somewhat different.
Here’s some of what they had to say from the BBC after the Hicks and Gillett take over.
“I’m happy with the takeover, although a bit wary, as I guess all fans probably are at first.”
“This is a much better deal than the DIC deal. Liverpool have made a wise choice. It is a shame that clubs have to sell out to investors, but the big clubs have to move with the times.”
“This is surely the news every Liverpool supporter wants to hear and it looks like finally, Liverpool FC may be starting the journey back to the top of English football.”
“I’ve just listened to George Gillett and Tom Hicks at the press conference, and I clearly believe that these are the men to take Liverpool forward!”
“I have warmed to the Americans and am confident Parry and Moores know what they’re doing, so I trust their decision.”
“Sometimes change is good and Liverpool are in dire need of success. Who cares about the business changes as long as we get a new stadium, some world class talent and a league title.”
But then the deal went bad, the debt mounted up, the stadium plans collapsed, and the Liverpool fans were not happy bunnies at all.
So what did they do when things went bad? Welcomed the next take over with open arms!
For us to join up with their protests totally undermines what we’re about. We’ve never wanted a takeover and have set up organisations to fight our owners since day one. They’ve got that pathetic Spirit of Shankly effort (who had to rethink their name of ‘Sons and Daughters of Shankly’ when some bright spark pointed out it spelt SADOS – which I’d say is a more accurate name), who spit their dummy out over fuck all and are generally a shambles.
Whilst I agree that our fans uniting in protest would send out a massive message, given how much hatred there is between us, their mess is a situation of their own making, a situation they welcomed, and has nothing to do with the situation we’re in. We never wanted this takeover, whilst they were greeting their Americans with open arms. More fool them! They can try and sort out their own problems, and we’ll sort out ours.
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HAHAHAHA…fuckin’ scouser twats…they are just dim witted scum bags who lives in their past glory…they thought that they were in for something big…they are a “BIG” club though…BIG Fuckin’ Losers..hahaha…pricks!!!
They are just bloody delusional!!
Good one mate!!
the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
good one! have a new lad in office, a fools fan btw, telling me how fans should put our differences aside & unite for a more noble cause during this dark time.
will show him this post tmr & he can also lick my ass at ê same time.
as far as i remember you all knew from day one that your club was getting loaded with the debt, whereas we got lied to “…. we won’t do a glazers”, ” ….. spade in the ground in 60 days”, etc, etc.
that’s why there were no protests initially like there are now. although there was generally optimistic caution about them buying us there was no reason to be anti them at that point.
plus, let’s face it, the green and gold are a recent thing and come off the back of the recent press reports about your debt and the ronaldo money obviously going toward the debt instead of the team. it’s not as though you’ve been wildly protesting every week since the takeover. i can’t remember much even being said about the glazers over the last few years compared to recent months.
i’ve as much love for a manc as what they have for me but an alliance would be big news and bring a lot of global publicity to a situation that the targets of the protests would not want.
… and don’t worry scott, you can get back to hating us the day after, poppet
I’d rather walk alone!
I’d rather wank off my old man than join forces with them scumbags.
Never in a million years.
Pandering to Dubai too, scum
sort your own problems out rather than looking to the Bitters business plan of dirty oil money
Theyd become arms dealers if it allowed them a greater transfer budget
no class. LUHG
@DEVILisRED
How about for the greater good of football? Hell lets keep are problems to are selfs….. the whole world will be watching this game, a good opportunity to send a message to any foreign owner to who think they own a club by using banks money.
I am a Liverpool fan and don’t want it either.
You cite our reaction to our takeover yet ignore the fact you ‘welcomed with open arms’ the money that came into your club via being a PLC. A situation that suited you until a LBO specialist saw an opportunity. You protested a bit in 2005 but then it all went quiet until the extent of your problems surfaced. Besides, where were the protests when Coolmore were upping their stake? You only attacked them when your manager was under threat because of his greed. (You see, we can all have one-eyed views of the other’s situation).
We will continue to fight our own corner whilst looking on in interest at a similar situation with your lot. But an alliance?
NO.
- slightly off topic, but not by much.
You’d have to be pretty fucking stupid to jump out of a Frying Pan into a Fire.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_5973492,00.html
Have to say I agree with the article 100%
Don’t know why, but this Harris guy reminds me a bit of that Al-Fahim dude of Portsmouth…
it just shows how effective the green and gold has been
its a peaceful protest against the owners
its based on history but fought with knowlage and understanding
the way everyone knows there facts and figures and there history
im proud of everyone from the guy who asked gill questions face to face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC5Mz5W_JvU
to the daytripper with a green and gold scarf
and its so effective that the dippers have taking time off from hanging on to there history*yawn* and desided to hang on to a successfull protest they way it should be done
and with this i know im right
If somebody “cold called” your home, and proceeded to rant about how “poorly” your current mortgage provider was treating you and suggested you re-mortaged your property with an un-named company, would you agree? If you wasn’t even told so much as the new Interest Rate, or Repayment Period being offered, would you ditch the devil you know for the un-named mortgage provider you don’t? NO, YOU’D PROMPTLY TELL THEM TO POLITELY FUCK OFF WOULDN’T YOU? Exactly, so how STUPID do Harris and his like think YOU are if they expect YOU to Financially Damage your own club just so they can buy it? They really must think the average supporter is a CRETIN.They haven’t even revealed who they are!!! Have they told you how they plan to raise the money? Have they told you how much debt the club will have? Have they told you ANYTHING??? No, but they expect you to Boycott the full 90 minutes of each match until Glazier decides to sell, meanwhile, the only information they’re prepared to reveal is “they ain’t Glazier and they’re British”. Seriously, if thats enough for a “fan” to destroy his own club then I sincerely hope such STUPIDITY isn’t common amongst our supporters. Jesus Christ, better the Devil you know then a bunch of cut-throat Red Knights you don’t.
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But hey, if you all disagree thats fine, just let me know, I’d really like to talk with you regarding the “terrible deal” your currently getting with your mortgage provider….
If somebody “cold called” your home, and proceeded to rant about how “poorly” your current mortgage provider was treating you and suggested you re-mortaged your property with an un-named company, would you agree? If you wasn’t even told so much as the new Interest Rate, or Repayment Period being offered, would you ditch the devil you know for the un-named mortgage provider you don’t? NO, YOU’D PROMPTLY TELL THEM TO POLITELY FUCK OFF WOULDN’T YOU? Exactly, so how STUPID do Harris and his like think YOU are if they expect YOU to Financially Damage your own club just so they can buy it? They really must think the average supporter is a CRETIN.They haven’t even revealed who they are!!! Have they told you how they plan to raise the money? Have they told you how much debt the club will have? Have they told you ANYTHING??? No, but they expect you to Boycott the full 90 minutes of each match until Glazier decides to sell, meanwhile, the only information they’re prepared to reveal is “they ain’t Glazier and they’re British”. Seriously, if thats enough for a “fan” to destroy his own club then I sincerely hope such STUPIDITY isn’t common amongst our supporters. Jesus Christ, better the Devil you know then a bunch of cut-throat Red Knights you don’t.
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But hey, if you all disagree thats fine, just let me know, I’d really like to talk with you regarding the “terrible deal” your currently getting with your mortgage provider….
No amount of support should disturb the confidence of our players.!
Not a great idea to join forces, but a show of unity against hostile ownership might be a good move.
Apologies for the duplication –
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By the way, Green and Gold shoud not allow itself to be Hijacked by un-named, secretive, third parties. Its been the most effective supporters campaign in football that I can recall in recent years, so what would be the point of successfully banging on about Newton Heath if we’re prepared to bend over for the first “suiter in a suit” to come along? Green and Gold should be hostile towards ANY PROSPECTIVE OWNER so we can ensure we get the kind of ownership we want. Whats the point in subjecting Glazier to all this protest if MANCHESTER UNITED simply rolls over for an unknown owner without so much as a shot fired? We shouldn’t be so quick to accept new owners without first knowing HOW their business plan differs from Glazier. If new owners come along with excellent credentials, finances and attitude then PERFECT, but Christ, I’d rather have Glazier then someone like Abramovitch. His foolish sacking of Mourino is the only reason they’ve failed to win anything in London since. Would you want that type of EGO owning our club? Chelsea have no soul, its a Billionaires play thing. What about the public fighting thats destroying Liverpool from the inside? What guarantees do we have these Red Knights won’t start a war amongst themselves over their RETURNS for investing in our club? Or how about the impatient folks over at City? Its already 2 managers in one season and if they miss out on 4th there’ll be a third. SO – WHAT TYPE OF OWNERSHIP CAN WE EXPECT FROM UN-NAMED RED KNIGHTS? SURELY WE DESERVE SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM HARRIS AND CO BEFORE WE START DESTROYING OUR OWN CLUB FOR THEIR BENEFIT??? Unbelievable how some supporters are prepared to Blindly follow somebody simply because “they ain’t Glazier” – thats how facists get into power, Voter Apathy. Call it a a hunch but I’d rather see the club continue in Glaziers Greedy hands then allow Several Greedy Businessmen with their Own Individual Agendas take over our club. Something isn’t right about those Red Knights. Our attention should be on continuing our pressure of Glazier and Gill, not lowering our own defences for a Coup.
Walk on sados.
@PAUL Parker
Between Harris and Fred Done we do know a few things.
Harris has confirmed that the Bonds will not be paid off (So we will still be the in the 500mill debt we are in). He also confirmed that despite mentioning a Barca style ownership initially that it won’t be Fan Owned and the takover will be funded in a manner along the lines of Villa (So thats the buyout being paid for via a loan from the new owners to the club that then has to be paid back with interest). We also know that Harris and Done have both said they think it will take 1.5billion and we know from those who have come forward that these Red Knights each have significantly less money than the Glazers or Hicks and Gillette. They are London Money Men and a few Northern Businessmen so at best they each are Mike Ashley levels of rich.
Certainly none of them can afford the 30mill plus without any chance of return and with the Bonds still being in place under their plans and more debt loaded onto the club so they aren’t going to improve the finacial situation. And they aren’t going to be able to do anything to ‘please the fans’ because ticket prices will have to stay where they are and maybe even rise
PAUL Parker
I Agree with ya
the protests are doing what it should be doing its letting the owners know the fans have had enough and has also put others ,like harris, on notice that the club might be able to be bought
which is also what is wanted
but not turning up to support the teams
what are we city with a half full stadium
fuck that noise
Seriously fellas, what is the point of protesting the Purity of Manchester United with Green and Gold if your only gonna bend arse over head for the first Gang of Red Knights to come along? Think about it. “….Me and my mates got 2 Billion knocking about and, erm, if you boycott Man Utd matches and drive down the value of your club, then, erm, me and my mates will buy it, erm, but we can’t tell you who we are, erm, and we can’t tell you how we’d run the club any differently, erm, but we ARE BRITISH unlike those evil Yanks who only want profit, erm, because we’re not doing it for profit, not at all, erm, we just want to make Utd the biggest club in the world, erm, yeah, thats it, we’re the good guys, erm….” SERIOUSLY, IT DOESN’T ADD UP MATE. SUPPORT RED KNIGHTS AT YOUR PERIL.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_5973492,00.html
The rivalry aside, do people actually believe this will make a difference? The Glazers and G & H are probably completely impervious to the events of the past few weeks.
The media would love it no doubt and maybe there would be some worldwide publicity. But how is that going to help?
If just mere symbolism and global coverage is the goal then by all means go ahead. But to actually it is going to make a difference is very naive.
Joining forces with LIverpool? No Ta.
BUT – if we allow unknown, secretive, unaccountable Red Knights talk us into destroying our own club then perhaps one day we might need the help of our rivals to get the Red Knights off our back. Lest we forget, the main problem with Glazier is the DEBT he’s brought to our club, other then that his ownership has shown more UNITY then Liverpool’s, less EGO then Chelsea’s, and more common sense then CITY’s. In my opinion Glazier has shown he is a better owner then all our main rivals. MY ONLY PROBLEM IS OUR DEBT, AND THE GREEN AND GOLD IS A PROTEST AGAINST THAT DEBT. So lets continue applying pressure on our club and not allow the Green and Gold campaign to be Hijacked by Predators and Opportunists. Gill will be forced to face more interviews and tough questions, and so he should. As a club we need to know whats being done to clear it. But allowing our campaign to be manipulated by Harris and Co is suicide. If you don’t think cynical businessmen in London have sat down and agreed to Hijack our campaign and use our anger towards Glazier as the thin edge of a wedge to get a foot in our lucrative door…. if you doubt that is the case, then you Sir, are a fool. I hope rank and file supporters can see this Red Knight business for what it is, A SCAM.
I’m encouraged to see the common sense noises on here this morning around the Red Knightons and any other interested parties. Given the overall state of play in football, it’s no surprise to see fans being naturally sceptical of potential new owners.
Harris has shot himself in the foot with his latest “advice” to be fans. I think he’s finished now.
Now I know that this doesn’t mean that this makes the Glazers any more palatable to many of you, but it’s definately a case of better the devil you know right now.
As I’ve said previously, more open and honest supporter dialogue around the finances and transfer budget, consideration to making changes to the cup scheme and perhaps an ST £freeze for next season would be a step in the right direction.
Paul Parker, I know you don’t need my endorsement, but that was an excellent last post.
this harris guy is a real hero i bet he won’t be lining his pockets,doing it for the good of utd.most big buisness men are scum bags and have fucked people over to get were they are,i don’t think having a group of 20 owners or whatever it is would sovle any problems probably cause more.not showing up for games would be very detrimental to the club and would be serving harris’s agenda not the teams,
i know the glaziers are not good for the club but don’t interfere with sir alex and his running and have never refused funds when needed.sometimes its better the devil you know
Red knights or dark knights?
agreed with paul parker 100%.
so where this green & gold campaign going to bring us? we fans got to show more patient i guess.
most importantly thing for the club is to ensure all the fans must stay united for the good of manchester united. the day when é fans are divided on where to go, that will be the start of our downfall & easy meat for all the scumbag businessmen eyeing a piece of our legacy.
I do hope we can be able to unite. People do wrong things in the past and maybe deep in their heart they regretted. Maybe not all pool fans want to be taken over. Who knows? We cant say we dont want takeover? Maybe some of our fans wanted this takeover? So this is a good chance to show the world and they will stop buying jersey and things connected to the club and this will deeply affect the owner and it might be a good way. If not, we had the last resort to throw away the ticket and stop going to the stadium.
I agree with what Paul Parker said, the Glazers may have hollowed out the club financially, but other than that they have stayed out of the way. Now that debt issue is a really serious issue, no question, but it hasn’t got in the way of our success (not yet anyway).
The sentiment that there are no angels with the money to buy United is also very true. Nobody makes the sort of money it’d take to buy our club without being some breed of bastard.
The focus of any campaign ought to be getting the debt squared away, be that by getting rid of the Glazers or pushing then towards an alternative solution. If the Glazers can find a way to fix the debt and implement that without further buggering us up, then I could learn to live with them.
i think the red knights only got fred done involved so he could be seen by some as the ‘known united face’ involved with their venture. The debt is ridiculous and is making mockery of the fantastic heritage of our beloved club. Just wish i had few billion in my pocket to bring end to it all!
Well said Paul Parker. I must say I’ve never thought of things the way you presented them. It must be said the Glazers haven’t really interfered with the football side of things, a la the Russian Thug or the Arabs at Shitty. Our problem is our debt, which is magnified because the world economy is in the shitter. A buyout isn’t going to eliminate our debt unless well over £1 billion is paid. If anything it may make things worse.
I agree we must be very wary of these Red Knights. And boycotting games would be pointless, as a daytripper would fill every seat vacated. Go to matches and fill Old Trafford with green and gold. We’re at the run-in, let’s focus on football until the end of the season then see where we stand.
Typical one-eyed nonsense from an empty headed manc. Tell me this Scott, who was Liverpools record signing before the yanks arrived? I’ll tell you – Djibril Cisse 14m. That same summer you signed Shrek for 30m.
The issue is you never needed a sugar daddy to come in an buy your club. Old whiskey nose has been pissing away millions for years. Why the hell would you have wanted a takeover???!!! If it aint broke…Liverpool with their small stadium and lack of finances were unable to compete with the top teams. That’s why we were crying out for investment.
Your article is a joke scott, just like you.
By the way, are your arses still sore from the everton raping? Ouchh…
Steven:
I do hate making scousers look like idiots, but here goes…
06/07
Liverpool’s total spend = £28m
Liverpool’s net spend = £15.6m
United’s total spend = £18.6m
United’s net spend = £4.1m
Liverpool spent £9.4m more than United and had a net spend of £11.5m more.
05/06
Liverpool’s total spend = £35m
Liverpool’s net spend = £25.6m
United’s total spend = £20m
United’s net spend = £1.5m
Liverpool spent £15m more than United and had a net spend of £24.1m more.
04/05
Liverpool’s total spend = £39.8m
Liverpool’s net spend = £25.3m
United’s total spend = £27.2m
United’s net spend = £21.4m
Liverpool spent £12.6m more than United and had a net spend of £3.9m more.
The summer you bought your record signing, you spent a total of £30.9m… more than what we spent that same summer when signing Rooney.
So, we didn’t need a sugar daddy and you did? Hmmm. Not quite. Looks like we’ve got another victim of Rafa’s “facts”.
All figures: http://www.transferleague.co.uk
Thank you for being such an easy target. We usually have to work a bit harder to make your kind look totally deluded and foolish.
How have you made me look an idiot? You are completely missing the point. That summer we had a new manager who obviously needed to bring players in because the squad was rubbish. The *point* is united have a 76k capacity stadium and have NEVER had any restriction on the amount of money they can spend on one player Scott. So why the hell would you want anyone to takeover your club?? Please try answering that question instead of acting like a 2 year old.
Says it all really when a liverpoo fan is gloating over everton beating united, sados.
Steven – providing you with stats to prove you wrong is behaving like a 2 year old? You said you needed a sugar daddy and we didn’t…despite the fact you had spent far more money for the three years before the take over.
If Benitez chooses to spend more money on lots of crap players instead of forking out one lump sum for a world class player, that’s his look out.
Between 2005 and now, Liverpool have spent £259m.
In that same time, United have spent £193.7m.
Between 2005 and now Liverpool have had a NET SPEND of £108.8m.
In that same time period we’ve had a NET SPEND of £32.1m.
Even with far more money you can’t compete. You were spending loads of money before the takeover but still were desperate to sell your soul and get rid of Anfield. Pathetic.
yeah but Scott come on they did get Djibril Cisse when we were stuck with a player that looks like Shrek. Cisse was slick looking while our signing looks like a green ogre. there manager has a spiffy goatee while our manager has a wiskey nose.
the reason SIR Alex Ferguson has a wiskey nose and Mr Bonkers doesnt is SIR Alex went out with his money and bought Wiskey and drank it
rafa benitez went out with his money and bought wiskey and drank it
only difference was rafas wiskey turned out to be stone cold tea
Ha ha ha. “despite the fact you had spent far more money for the three years before the take over.” Where are you getting this nonsense from? Heres the figures from the website YOU gave me!
NET SPENDS
LIV MANU
02 – 03 – £7,950,000 £29,500,000
03 – 04 £2,250,000 £13,150,000
04 – 05 £25,300,000 £21,350,000
TOT £35,500,000 £64,000,000
Furthermore Scott Benitez has had to sell to buy throughout his whole tenure at Liverpool and he had a whole squad to rebuild. Which wasn’t the case with whiskey nose. Anyway you can’t accuse anyone of wasting money on players when your manager has pissed away massive sums on anderson, hargreaves, nani, veron, berbatov..the list is endless! 104m on those few jems alone!! Incredible!
Anyway scott id love to spend all day debating with you, unfortunately you clearly don’t have the mental capacity for it. Ta ra la!
well I am with the red knights and the sooner they take the club off the parasites hands the better
lol, the inbred Scouse has clearly had his brain messed about from eating all those rats. How’s the Europa League? Don’t worry mate, next year is SURELY your year and that’s a FACT.
Stephen – The first full season under the takeover was 07/08, so 04/05, 05/06 and 06/07 are the three seasons before the takeover. Now basic maths is a problem for you?
You talk about Ferguson pissing away money… but haven’t every single one of those players you mentioned won the Premiership with Manchester United? Every single one of the players Fergie “pissed away” money on contributed to our success. Nani, Anderson and Hargreaves all scored penalities in the European Cup final, for example. How many of Benitez’s signings have won the Premiership with Liverpool?
Fair point in regards to your mental capacity. That is something we can both agree on! Sensible thinking to quit before you got too far behind.
Steven’s a virgin leave him alone.
I think Scott was talking about the 3 years before the Liverpool takeover while Steven is talking about the 3 years before the Glazers’ takeover.
The fact remains though that Liverpool’s net spend is higher than United’s.
Don’t blame us if your manager decides to buy 5 or 6 average players instead of one world class player.
SAF has had failures in the transfer market. But thats in a period of 20 years or so. Ever heard of probability?
nobody who rafa bought that won the champions league only 5 years ago is still there with them
Steven. I get what you are saying, but the facts clearly dont support what you say. I thought you would be especially aware of facts, given that the legend you have in charge is especially keen on them.
United fans could have signed up to Rupert Murdoch’s Sky desired takeover of the club which, at time financially, would have made us untouchable, but it was opposed by every United fan I know. I dont know what good joint effort between United and Liverpool would do, if any. And I wouldn’t be opposed to genuine fans working together, but cant see it happening. I dont think United or Liverpool need or want each others help. Personally we dont need them we can and will do this on our own.
United
anyone have Rupert Murdoch’s email address??
I have only one thing to say regarding this matter,
“HELL NO!”
I hope not! As Scott said, the dippers wanted their take-over whereas we were firmly against ours.
We have to get our own house in order and not be concerned about anyone else.
LUHG
it could be worse, we could be scouse