When the trademarked Special One was at Chelsea, I was an advocate of him. No doubt he brought something interesting to the table that other foreign managers simply don’t. Wenger, Benitez and the rest are generally as dull as dishwater. And as much as we already had cause to dislike him for his hop, skip and a jump down the Old Trafford touchline after being robbed by his lucky Porto side, there was always that respect factor for a man that was achieving trophy hauls in what appeared to be a new manner. His players worshipped him openly, and more often than not rewarded him with pots of silver. He surely could manage any team on earth and be successful..?
Fast forward several years…
Jose is now lauding it at Real Madrid, the other Biggest Club in the World. He has taken their once famous football philosophy, shoved it firmly in a skip, and has implemented the famous tactics he has successfully employed at Chelsea and Inter. Physical strength, coupled with rigid tactics, can defeat any opponent put in his side’s way. That is except the modern day Barcelona.
His teams’ actions, but more worryingly his own at the Community Shield of Spain in yet another El Classico, leaves an incredibly bitter taste in the mouth. Mourinho’s own attempt to take advantage of the melee that occurred in front of his dugout to go over to a Barca coach and gouge him in the right eye, well, I simply have never seen this happen in our game before. A manager, the leader, showing his troops exactly what they should be doing to their opponent. It disrespects football and frankly makes him look like a mental.
The relevance of writing about this of course comes from one of the stranger assumptions in English football, that is that Mourinho will indeed be the next United manager after Fergie hangs up his chewing gum riddled boots. People think several reasons point to this: That Jose ‘loves’ England; that Sir Alex and Mourinho are best, wine-quaffing buddies; that United would only want the most successful manager they could obtain; That United learned a generation of pain worth of a lesson after the end of the Busby era, employing men not fit to stand in the great warhorse’s shadow. It’s so simple! It can only be the Special One for the world’s Special Club?
Wrong.
When Mourinho was given his cards by Abramovich I would’ve taken him as our next manager in a heart beat. Football is a seductive business and trophies are a fan’s aphrodisiac. Jose knew how to win. We all want a bit of that. But what I’ve witnessed in the last few years of the man stinks. He’s still managed to maintain his levels of success, taking that Inter team to Champions of Europe. Well, who would have guessed? But the way they and he did it, playing that brand of Anti-Football, it simply turns me off. It’s like seeing that absolutely gorgeous woman from afar, only to get close to her and smell her stinking, rotten breath. There’s still going be loads of lads that will look past this and be happy with her, but us at United? We wouldn’t be able to get that stench out of our nostrils!
Does this make me and United fans who agree seem pompous? Maybe. But the fact remains. I don’t want to spend thousands of £s of my own money every season to follow a team that makes me want to fall asleep as soon as the first whistle is blown. Success is often taken as something that must be achieved at all cost. In many ways that is correct. But United, like Madrid, have a tradition. Porto, Chelsea and Inter are by no means small clubs. But they were teams starved of the biggest trophies, desperate to get up that ladder at any cost. Jose preys on this. He delivers the gold and you pay him the booty he demands. He is the modern day pirate. As he did with both Porto and Inter “Here is your European Cup trophy, now I’m off to the next ship of fools.”
Mourinho will always be a man of success. He will always find a way and these are not traits of a bad manager. But I question the man. I question his integrity. Would we be happy for Sir Alex to go over and gouge at the eye of Villa-Boas? Of course not. It’s disgusting. There are many bad things happening in football and indeed the world at the minute, but as far as an isolated incident goes, with a manager on the touchline, it even makes Arsene Wenger mounting the Old Trafford dugout seem 100% sane and normal. It’s an act against the will of football. It’s sneaky and incendiary. It’s something that you may never see in top flight football again.
So I implore David Gill and his cronie bosses from across the pond to think hard about the Sir Alex exit strategy. The heart of Manchester United is what we’re considering here. We want success, of course we do, but do we need a man who now presents himself as an enemy against the Beautiful Game?
Ex-United player Gerard Pique said after the match the other night: “Someone has to take action, Mourinho is destroying Spanish football. It is going too far. This will end very badly.”
The man is totally right. Mourinho doesn’t care how Spanish football is viewed. He doesn’t even care if he is caught on video, reaching round a man’s face to claw his fingers into his eyeball. For Jose its just another act of war.
A certain Mancunian God once wrote a song called ‘Barbarism Begins At Home’. Lets hope our home, Old Trafford, avoids such an unlucky fate. If Mourinho wants to make football his slave and make it implode in chaos, let us not give him the Theatre of Dreams as his stage to do it.
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scott, you missed the little bit of a kick he had at cesc right after the foul… wanker
He’s a cunt of the highest order ,I would never have him anywhere near OT. Pure scum just like his ex captain Sir John of Terry…Newspapers like to give it about him being next Utd boss but somehow I doubt it especially with his off field antics coupled with the style of ‘football’ his teams adapt . Anyway I’m sure I read somewhere that Sir Bobby Isn’t too keen on him …
Great read, coulnt agree more either, I hope to god we dont go for Mourinho once Fergie retires, he has to be the most anti football manager out there, Guardiola is our man!!!!
Another post not by Scott. All the same spot on Robert. Don’t want to see this horrible cunt anyway near Old Trafford. Never have. It wont happen anway. More likely be someone who has lived and breathed the club. Someone like Ole.
What about after the gouging the way he stood there pouting his lips ???? I would have put my fist through em ,Fucking twat !!!
He would be more suited to Citeh…they got the same standard of morals…..
Would love to see Ole in charge…but just think the job will come too soon for him…but maybe as as an assistant then moving into that role…
Sir Bobby knows that at United there is a certain way to act and carry yourself in the name of Manchester United….after all he has been doing that for nearly 60 years now…top man… so if anyone knows who is best to take over SAF…then Sir Bobby should definately be a good judge of character.
I’d go for Blanc personally or even Guardiola once he’s finished at Barca…
Gill and the heirachy would never allow this cunt at United. It would drag the good name into the gutter. Oh and a bit rich from Pique about destroying the game, considering the diving, playacting and surrounding the ref that they get up to. Anyway that Barca bloke should have given Jose a good fucking hiding.
Who, the guy in the moustache? I agree.
Agree 100% Robert, nice article!
His approach of the game which turn me off about him being United’s manager. Period.
Lol@Costas!
Failsworth – Hello mate. Good to see you pal. Spot on about Sir Bobby. Folk like him know what this slimy cunt is all about and wont want him anywhere near our great club. As much as it is early for Ole I honestly think he could do the job. Respected by everyone. Knows the club inside out but most importanly knows all about the game. A very clever lad and student of the game. Sharp as a knife. Fergie could be here another 3 or 4 years yet anyway.
Costas – Ha. Nice one mate. He looks fucking superimposed.
I have never, ever wanted Mourinho at United. The only thing he has going for him is his ability to control players’ egos given he has a bigger one. Apart from that, his face at United will be one of the biggest disgraces in United’s history (and there haven’t been many of that). He highlights everything that is wrong with modern day football. He is an arrogant, narcissistic SOB who shouldn’t be even thought of as an option to replace someone as great, both as a manager and as a human being, like Sir Alex. Period.
Sir Alex is meticulous in every minute details. So, he will know who exactly he wants to replace his great self at Old Trafford. I have a sneaky feeling it will be one of the legends. So far, Ole and Scholes seem to be great choices. Ole’s had success with both our reserves and Molde. Scholesy is just starting out but his footballing brain is the best bar none. His post-retirement character is in stark contrast to his playing days. All these suggest to me that he will make a great manager. Sir Alex’s treatment of his legends also shows that he wants them to be prepared when the time comes.
If it is going to be another 3 or 4 years – which it will be if not more if the great man’s health holds up – then I think he may get one of the legends to deputize with him for a season or two before letting them take over.
Anyways, that is what I hope “will” happen.
I wanted him at one time but not now….
he seems to inherit the nucleus of a side and gets the best out of it ….
but when he needs to re-vamp the given side he seems clueless…
Also he has seemed to find himself bigger than the clubs he has dealt with…..
the Russkie at Chelsea saw through him and fucked him off rapid….bloke in my eyes is a bit of a tool
LOL! Lots of “great minds think alike” in this thread. Me, King Eric and Failsworth are all on the same page on this one.
Robert b you’re fucking right, what is mourinho doing ? pique is right too, he’s destroying the game.Sure we don’t want this kind of manager at UTD and I hope when SAF will be retire (as later as possible) the new manager will have the UTD spirit !!!!
With Guardiola… u never hear of any unrest at Barca…and if there is…its never made public…very similar to us at United….maybe he would be the answer…..very young…technically clever and also well respected…and loves attacking football….which above and beyond everything is the UNITED way….
hey the man in the middle looks like saddam hussein.on topic,jose is a winner.any club would be lucky to have him but i wouldnt want him at united.
Mourinho has incontrovertibly proved that he is a low-life scum. The video footage of this latest example of his cowardice should finally put to rest any thought of him joining United. In my opinion he was never going to be our next manager, and surely now the powers that be at United will be absolutely convinced of this.
No. Cannot see Guardiola at United. I may well be wrong of course but just cannot see it. It needs to be someone who has the club in their blood imo and thats why Ole is my main person to take over. Although in three years or more if Fergie is still about the landscape could well have changed. I remember having this discussion a few years back on here and O’Neill was a main contender. Never know Red Nev might have some managerial experience under his belt in 4 years ! Would love that.
Agree that Mourinho’s behaviour is not suited to OT, but as far as
the Classico’s are concerned, Barca have been as guilty as Real for dirtying the reputation
of Spanish football.
Don’t think we’ll need to “keep him away from OT” though, if Guilleme Ballage (spl?) is right, our next boss will be Pep Guardiola. Apparently he only signed a one year extension with Barca because he wants to manage United.
I don’t give a fuck if he wins us the champions league 3 years in a row, we simply can’t have the manager of Manchester United behaving in this manner. Mourinho can go get fucked and manage any club other than our great club. Sir Matt would turn in his grave if our Manager was carrying on like that. Mourinho has no class or respect. Some things are more important than winning.
@King Eric, Completely agree mate. I absolutely don’t want Pep at United as well. I hate their brand of tiki-taka football, and that kind will only work in Spain, never in England as Le Arse have shown. Their team is full of weaklings with no balls whatsoever, who fall over at the slightest hint of touch. Plus, Pep has Barcelona in his blood, that is why he is able to get such respect from his players in spite of being so young.
IMO, it need not be someone who already has United in their blood. But somebody who understands the history and heritage of the club and stays true to that. That being said, I absolutely want it to be one of the legends. So far, the options are Ole and Scholes because they’ve taken to management. Blanc might also throw his name into the hat given that he understands what we are all about. But Red Nev and Giggsy have also been taking their badges it seems, but I don’t think they’ll be prepared enough to take over. Red Nev seems a perfect fit – same no-nonsense feisty character like Sir Alex, but has shown that he can handle himself with the press.
That would be the best possible scenario. Gary Neville as manager, Scholes as first-team coach, with Ole being there as well. Hey, I can dream, right!
The guy lacks class but feel article was very harsh about his tactics. He’s managed defence minded teams and you can’t belittle what he did at Inter. He took Mankini’s Inter team and we know how his teams are set up (see Cit-eh) and turned them into European Champions within 2 years.
He may be a despicable human being at times but to knock his managerial achievements and his tactics on how he achieves them is farcical.
Love how 95% of people on here say ‘good post Scott’ without noticing it’s a contributing writer. It was really good though Rob. Love the ‘Barbarism Begins at Home’ part at the end.
I could not have put it better myself. Mourinho should take a leaf out off Peps book on how to behave like
a gentleman with respect.I for one hope Fergie goes on until he s 90 alas it wont happen,i think most utd fans dont want the Jose circus at oldtrafford so if it was my choice i would take the Barca manager
as our next manager, a man who commands respect and who knows how the game should be played.
Balaji – Ha. Yeah Ole, Scholes and Nev. With Giggsy thrown in for good measure!
Off topic. Can anyone please confirm factually how tall De Gea is? I keep seeing 6ft 4 but I am sure he isn’t that tall. I thought he was 6.2
Is Guardiola REALLY attacking football? Not so sure it is. I know they hurt teams but in my book I would call them possession football. Far too often they fuck about in the final third.
Shudder to even think of such a scenario! Utd without SAF? Yikes!A perfect scenario would that we have one of the legends like a Certain French Man Or Ole coming back. However that is in a way possible much later. I see Pep Guardiola as the best candidate. Had handled a big club and players before. Is young and just doesn’t look like a cunt. Also seems to respect SAF a lot.The only reservartion I have in that he has managed some of the best players in the world and as a result that hides what he is actually capable of. I mean can he take a club without Xavi and co to a lot of sucess? Also people forget that fergie is bound stick around as a director of football or something. So its not like he is going to dissapear after a season. Its going to be a long drawn out process
I used to be one of those rooting for Morinhou to take over but his tactics against Barca and his recent behaviour have put a big smudge on his c.v.
Becks for Manager!
Shudder to even think of such a scenario! Utd without SAF? Yikes!A perfect scenario would that we have one of the legends like a Certain French Man Or Ole coming back. However that is in a way possible much later. I see Pep Guardiola as the best candidate. Had handled a big club and players before. Is young and just doesn’t look like a cunt. Also seems to respect SAF a lot.The only reservartion I have in that he has managed some of the best players in the world and as a result that hides what he is actually capable of. I mean can he take a club without Xavi and co to a lot of sucess? Also people forget that fergie is bound stick around as a director of football or something. So its not like he is going to dissapear after a season. Its going to be a long drawn out process
@ Balaji. If an ex player takes over he will piss on his legacy. The next manager will be like the De Gea deal. When it happens we’ll just get behind him, and the deal caught many by surprise.
I thought I was the one who thinks it will be Solskjaer to take over from Sir Alex ‘GOD’ Ferguson. I still feel that Fergie has got many years in home, he’s always said he’ll continue as long as he’s healthy. By that time Solskjaer will have had plenty of experience and we know he will continue on the United way of playing football. Wouldn’t be at all surprised if Ole isn’t assistant manager soon. In an ideal world I would have wanted Keano to take over, that would have been brilliant. That dream looked realistic in his first year with Sunderland when he took them from relegation candidates to Championship winners. From then though it became obvious he wouldn’t be United class. Scholes may well have all the attributes and the passion for the club, but his dislike of publicity will stop that situation from ever happening. I actually can see Guardiola here though. Maybe he’s not as perfect as the press say but he does seem like a decent guy. The problem there though is would he get Barca to win everything if Messi wasn’t there, the answer is no. I hope it’s someone who has been at the club as a player, but for now I don’t ever want GOD to retire.
Just thinking about it now, Laurent Blanc would be a good choice. What he did with Bordeaux was unbelievable.
@NRD, IMO, it will be kind of like DDG. Whoever takes over will not have instant success. If the fans want that, then they can shit elsewhere. Nobody is going to be good enough to take over from Sir Alex, period. Not in this lifetime, not in any. However, there are many good candidates among our ex-players who have the talent needed to survive managing us. However, their first and second years will not be easy. They will forever be in the shadow of Sir Alex initially, and their every move will be questioned and every interview analyzed, every formation discussed and so on. They may fail to win trophies also, but who cares. However, if they can demonstrate that they are willing to carry on in the United tradition of playing attacking football, bringing on youth, not folding to players and staying competitive enough to win trophies, then I am all for that. But, yes, I agree they will need time and backing. I am sure they will get that because when Sir Alex calls it a day, I think he will stay on in an executive position and will offer constant advice to his successor.
If Red Nev takes to management like he has to punditry then he’s a must.
Whilst on the Neville’s, how good was it to see Phil with his son at West Brom with our fans. Top man.
The Fly – Yes mate.It was great seeing Phil in the away end. Proper fans. Also his dad was there. Three generations of UNited fans right there!
Get Big “fake tan” Ron out of retirement. He may get us another Robbo!!
@The Fly, Agree about Phil Nev. He wore his cap a bit lower, didn’t want the cameras on him I think. It was amazing to see. As King Eric said, three gens of Neville right there. The banter he was having with the fans was also great. Shows what we are all about to be honest.
He’s not the cleverest of managers at times, but cant lie the guy has a aura about him. Has let himself down at Real madrid and for someone I once wanted as next manager of man u i would now have to think twice.
reading that i was going to making a note to comment on how disappointed i was in STR piece on this fiasco. I’m glad its not his name at the bottom – though i’d like to hear his thoughts. The whole thing blown out of proportion. Did Arsene wenger bring English football to its knees when he went toe to toe with Pardew? I wouldn’t want Jose at United but not for all the flimsy excuses i hear about boring football and antics.
Boring football? ppft. Barcelona had a proper game of football for the first time in 2 seasons. And they Madrid did it playing very well. Lots of energy and direct movement.
Am i going to be smug and say Doesn’t Ozil look good? Yup.
Light weight is the trait that gets used as the almighty hammer that rules a player out. And he looks a solid player now.
What are your thoughts Scott?
No way I want this Kunt near Old Trafford.
I still think that Guardiola is the best option. He wants to go to the P, sees the talent in young players, knows how to nurture them and plays beautiful football.
@ Balaji- Agree with everything you say in your last post. However cvonsidering fan reaction at Wembley, arseholes reaction here towards Berbagod and remembering some people wanting Fergie out in 2004-06. I don’t think he has that luxury. Added to that our possible off field money issues the next manager wont have much time. For me some of my happiest memories attending OT was during that 3 year period we didn’t win the league. Fans were more of a 12th man even for Carling Cup games. The way we play is paramount to our existence. However the if 1 in 5 people round the world is a United fan, more than 50% are bothered about trophies.
@ King Eric – You must be the same colour as Big Ron now!!! Why don’t you take over. I can see it now, first thing you’ll do is give Tunnicliffe his debut!!
though not written by scott, wonder if he has change his mind towards mourinho? remember he was dead against at first, then changes his mind last season & wrote an article on this. juz curious that’s all.
for me, only one name from day 1. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
Balaji Sivaraman
weakling you say? Pompous are we ? Same weakling had us do laps rounds wembley.
Don’t want Mourinho near OT. Too much of a cunt from his Porto & Chelsea days. We want to play football the ‘United way’ & with Mourinho that won’t happen.
100% agree with what @byron1970 said. Sir Matt would turn in his grave if he knew Mourinho was United manager. It’s just not a good fit for the football club if Mourinho ever takes charge.
Personally, I would like to see Blanc or Deschamps as the new manager. Would like it to be Ole or Nev, but can’t see it happening.
A few people think Moyes would be a good option. What do you’s think?
I’m another one who has never wanted to see him at United, for reasons many of you have mentioned.
On the subject of who could fill the roll when SAF retires, i agree he absolutely must have United in his blood.
Ole, Nev, Giggs etc, it’s almost impossible to predict how good an ex player will be as a manager, no matter how brilliant they were as a player.
Often, the truly outstanding ones demonstrate their ability early on with unlikely success from lesser teams.
SAF is the obvious best example of this, but Blanc did exceptionally well with Bordeaux.
I’m not sure he has United running through him as much as we’d like, but at least he was one of ours.
Of course, stating the obvious again, we know replacing SAF is nigh on impossible.
He’s a one off, a Muhammed Ali, a man who would have reached the pinnacle of whatever route he chose in life.
From those who know him well, they all speak of his absolute integrity as a man, the manner in which he leads his life. How on earth could we even consider Maureen as a replacement for him?
Personally, I hope that we keep our management British.
I instinctively feel the same way about the plans to list shares in an IPO.
Surely the London Stock Exchange will prove to be the best option for United.
Never wanted JM at United ever since I heard of him…. Not for his antics or so called tactics I just do not see him as a long term manager with a vision of developing youth and having long term plans for the club. A guy like JM will always think of himself and his own success first, any club he manages will just be his ticket to achieve that………… Not United material by any means.
We WILL never be able to replace Sir Alex but when the day does come I would want someone who has the club’s best interest at heart, to me that would be far more important than winning everything in sight for 2 or 3 years….
Watching Sir Bobby again, grooving on Soccer Saturday has me hysterically happy!
We have the greatest legends, manager, and Club!
I love Manchester United!
Talking about the nxt utd manager ive recently been thinking maybe Phelan? He seems to be doing fine as the number 2, knows the players, has utd in his dna and been working along side fergie for a while now. Oh and his new beard thing makes him look a lot wiser lol!!
two words
Ian. Holloway.
Rafael Benitez
PAUL MERSON
Guardiola is obviously attacking football. Have you seen Barca play? Messi is scoring 40-50 a season and Villa/Pedro grab 20 or so each. In the knockout phases of the Champions League they scored 4 in the last 16, 6 in the quarters, 3 in the semi and 3 in the final. Can’t ask for much more than that.
Any good manager hould be able to adapt and we wouldn’t play exactly like Barca, anyway. I would love a manager with experience in this league and who has a link to the club, but there’s not many about. If Guardiola came in for a few years it wouldn’t be a bad choice.
I really hope the love of Mourinho ends. Guiellem Balague said something last year – that the British press love him and vice-versa because they don’t question him, they just want a quote so he just says something arrogant/controversial and the press fawn over him. In Spain and Italy the journalists question him on tactics and decisions and don’t fall for his “charm”. Guys like Woolnough are in awe of his ugly football and ugly personality but I’m glad to see fellow United fans aren’t.
@slim, Come on mate, you and I both know that Barcelona and their style of football will never work in the Premier League. They will have the guts knocked out of them by teams like Stoke and Bolton. I don’t want to go back to why we lost the finals, but it had to do with lack of players like Fletcher and Hargreaves. It may seem like excuses now, but it is in fact the truth. Not saying we would’ve won with both of them, but the matches would’ve been played out differently for sure.
TBH, there was a time when I might’ve thought about Pep at United, but given his handling of the whole Fabregas affair, I am sure that is not what we want. And, yes, I do hate their brand of football. It is nice to watch for some people, but I find their passing in the middle-third a bit boring. There isn’t any incision about their play until someone brilliant like Messi or Xavi takes over. Till that, they just move it around in the middle-third and don’t do anything useful with the ball. That is just my personal opinion though.
NRD – Hello mate. Ha. Nice one.
slim – What has Ozil got to do with this mate?
Kinda interested to hear Scott’s view about Mourinho right now, as one article from him seems backed him up a little bit few months ago.
Oh and slim Wenger didnt poke Pardew in the fuckin eye from distance and slink off. The man is scum.
i’d love to see Red Nev there too but it will come too early. Maybe SAF can keep going for a while longer
ajhs – Err yes of course I have seen fucking Barca play. I was there at Wembley to witness it first hand. I knew someone would pull me on that. I know they attack but imo not in the United sense of the word. Its more possession football.
There was a time when I didn’t mind him joining us. But I wouldn’t say no to other choices. For me, it’s not just about winning trophies. The problem with Mourinho is whether he could check his ego out of the door. Plus, there’s always more than one good manager out there. People have mentioned Ole and Blanc. You never kow who will be the better fit. Few expected Guardiola to be this succesful at Barca
However, imo there’s no denying that Mourinho is a very good tactician. Barcelona have won 6 out of 9 major trophies during the Guardiola era. Mourinho’s sides have stopped them winning 2 out of those 3 other trophies. The Ch.League in 2010 and the Copa Del Rey this year. I don’t think anyone has a better record against this Barca side.
When chelksi signed mourinho, I thot it was a brilliant move. Did not like the way they dealt with Raneiri,after all he had built the foundations on which mourinho will have his success.
It was mainly ranieri’s players that wud form the bulk of the key positions in mourinhos team.
What mourinho did different was he got his players thinking like champions ,with a huge dose of arrogance.
U remember the way they wud surround the referee,almost as if they were saying,’ do u know who the fuck we are? how dare u fuck with us ,u moron! ‘
I lost my respect at his level of arrogance .
But Fergie is a good judge of character, he lked this portuguese dude. Had a few run in’s, like when mourinho said Ronaldo lack class cos he came from a poor background.
Did he not know most of Manutd heroes have come from poor backgrounds, including Fergie?
It seemed however that both men had mutual respect for each other and avoided any confrontation.
Mourinho has proven in portugal,england,italy and now trying in spain , that he is special.
U might get pissed reading that but he belongs to a rare breed that attract success in thier chosen feild.
I have actually come to respect him for that. When I looked at the bond prospectus ,one of the legal requirements for the club was to inform the potential investors of worst case scenarios.
One key one was SAF retiring one day.
That when it occured to me ,that the manager taking over must have the standing and attraction as Fergie ,for success.
No maybes, but surely , that yes this new manager will do it. How many managers come into it?
Top of the list Mourinho, then Blanc.
Anyone else?
If ur thinking of Moyes, he is clearly a maybe. Not yes he will do it.
Thats why instead of all the negativity surrounding our clubs listing in Spore, this is actually the partial solution.
Meaning?
If we pay off all debt, we can do what we want. Hire Moyes for example if we want. But the danger of having even 30 % on a stock market may have share price move in relation to our success on the feild. Example , yearly TV earnings based on how far we go in competitions.
However I feel it would be ok,we will deal with that situation.
I always felt that mourinhos arrogance,abrasive nature, defence first rather than exciting football wud be drawbacks. But he seems to be doing better on all 3 .
And now this. As I watched what he did , I was thinking why?
Conclusion, Trust Fergie, the club will get his recommended manager in. The boss knows all the criteria required, he will do whatever it takes to make sure whoever takes over his legacy will be the right person.
Fergie will probaly murder anyone who jeorpordises his club.
So Rob, loved yr article,be at peace, Fergie’s on the job.
@Balaji Sivaraman
you say we both know “that style would never work in EPL”? Thats another matter. i didn’t even intimate that. You called them weakling and i highlighted an example that show otherwise.
@King Eric
Hows it bud. Ozil? Nothing mate. i was being smug. Yeah he didn’t poke him. He wanted to break his jaw
Fergie is building one more of his teams these days so too early to speak about the matter.
Just hope there will be quite a few decent options that will keep us away from naming Mourinho as our next manager. If he is thE One, so be it.
@slim, I will say they are weaklings in a physical sense. Any team that allows them to play their brand of football gets roasted. Any team that doesn’t, gets the mickey taken out of them by their diving antics. Most of their players are physically weak and will never survive in any other league than their own. Hence, why I used the term weakling in relation to Barcelona. I don’t think many will disagree with that assessment.
And, yes, they did make us do laps around Wembley. I don’t see a point arguing over why that was the case even though I can give countess excuses. But we allowed them to play their style and they were the better team on the night and totally roasted us.
However, that doesn’t change the fact that their team is made up of a bunch of weaklings, does it? That was the point I was arguing in relation to Pep. I know they are the best team in the world and all that. And, yes, Pep can easily change his style to suit us, who knows, maybe he can, maybe he can’t? However, I’ve already provided the main reason why I don’t want him at the club. His whole handling of the Fagregas saga, and the way he runs the football knowing that the club are already in a financial shithole.
Lets say this whole incident didn’t happen. And in its place say something randon thats happened at OT- Fergie tossing the boot at becks but this time at Ronaldo. We’d still be saying the same thing thats on here.
And did nobody watch the game? I keep hearing boring , defensive football. That guy has put a hard working unit together. That why i brought up Ozil. But maybe i should have mentioned others. They worked their socks off and gave Barcelona a Fucking good game. The only difference was what we see United do week in week out. The infectious phenomenon on winning.
I’d like to see Guardiola do something with a team like Everton first. Seriously, we could throw the Barcelona team at Paul Ince and he wouldn’t be too far off too.
I agree that it has to be something who has donned the United jersey. Only United stalwarts would understand how things are run and believe in how it has benefited the club. Remember, all these really began when AF took over, so any of the key players during his reign would be good if deemed suitable.
Anyone that considers Mourinho as being in any way suitable for United should look again at the picture on this thread.
If you want that man leading our club you do not love United.
Winning is not everything. Dictators and child molesters would disagree.
To place self-gratification before the good of the community is heinous.
Mou is showing pure frustration as any human will do.If match officials are not ashamed to cheat for Barca why should Mou be…..for employinh such antics?
That dude with the tash looks like a cardboard cut-out.
King Eric –
Mesut Ozil: “I did this because I was defending my religion “
Off Topic
FSW on football focus is being asked to analyse and pass comment on how Arsene Whinger is coping and how he should proceed from now on at L’arse. He has no idea what he is talking about. he might have won a european title @ anfailed but that was with another man’s team. When he started putting a team together of his own it all fell apart. He is absolutely clueless and that is a fact
Danizizu – I’m sure that Mourinho is not ashamed.
I would be ashamed if our Club desired a manager that sneaks up behind an opposition staff member, sticks a finger in his eye, then briskly walks away. His behavior is that of a sneaky coward, not a leader of men.
Using religion as the excuse for evil is as old as the hills. Liars and hypocrites, all.
You know what’s funny? When I saw the headline, and then the picture, the first thing I thought was it was about the dude in the centre who looks kinda like Borat. So yeah, with that said, let’s keep Borat out of Old Trafford. Jegshemash!
I’ve went right off Mourinho lately. He provokes situations, far too many times.
slim – Ha. Cheers mate. Yeah good thanks how are you? Bit depressed at being back home!
@Balaji Sivaraman
some of our players couldn’t play in their league or club because they lack the technical ability to. Does that make them dud footballers? No.
Thats a bit rich with regards to the financial position. Whats he supposed to do? Tell the world the books aren’t looking good and he’d decided to come clean to save the Club?
He’ll wield some power, but not the the level at which SAF has at United. And sugar coat it any way you want but its been a bumpy ride for United since the Glazers took over and we’ve been fed shit for a while on that ride.SAF didn’t say nothing.He could have. Probably best he didn’t but he could have. We’re so lucky Manchester United is the brand name it is. Any other Football club/institution would have gone down
I’m with cedars on the subject of SAF’s successor; Person must have United interest at heart
Bili – ?
David Moyes will surely be considered by SAF. He has been praised for driving Everton forward with very little money by SAF several times. He also wanted to come to United as assistant manager and applied for it but got rejected just before he went onto Everton.
Plus he is a Scot!
Whe david dein signed arsen e wenger for arsen al , it was like a perfect match.
Names almost perfect match.
He rebuild arse and brought them into the modern era.
First it was ,the tough,tall fast team he had. Then it was the same tall ,big but french side.
He won things with them,arrogant and professor like,determined to play for the pure football ideals.
Then after all he and his team did,from throwing pizza and soup on our manager, he found it tough.
Cos Fergie and his team wud not budge. They just kept getting up and fighting on.
We ended thier invincible run.
Then wenger made a huge decision, to play 4-5-1! OMG why did the media not slaughter him?
The purist who fucked other managers for playing negative football, now doing the same?
How long now as he done this? Almost every game?
Then bizarrely he rushed his new dream team. Let go so many players that summer.
Only seniors left was henry,gilberto,toure and lehman.
Now only gilberto and toure play like men,anywhere thier manager asked them to,so many times picking up the younger team and winning or grabbing a draw.
henry and lehman contributed but were clearly drama queens.
Then comes the summer where gilberto went for brazil’s internationals,came back late ,which is ok but he was stripped of the captaincy. No it did not go to toure.
It went to big mouth gallas.Almost saying here lads ,let this chelski player show u arse’s how its done.
Gilberto was never given enough time to get his fitness right or his head around his demotion.
The pundits were writing him off , to my shock.
The decisons that made things worse kept happening. Was wondering if arsene had other ambitions in france or spain. why so impatient?
The team lacks leader who have battle scars, men. Men who will lead the younger ones. some people will laught at what i just said.
But most of us know what that culture,attitude , the belief is all about!
He has kept losing players,and is now in a dangerous position.After david dein left,there was no one for arsene to refer to or back up or someone who gets it done right. Dein used to do all the contracts and anything that needed getting done. Including an input to arsene.
While arsene’s deputy is a good guy, there has not been any new inputs / ideas into the team.
They are moving down the same road and players are jumping off. Now RVP is captain,if they have a difficult season , in the summer he gets an offer, will he stay or take it?
If u say to eden hazard now ,come join arse, will he jump to join or will he be worried, no cesc or nasri.
maybe he will to get out of france,show his skills ,see how things develope, then maybe move on.
So in the game now ,will liverpool finish arsene or will arsene do something special?
I respect this man for what he achieved abd what he has done for arse.
But in battle ,he is the enemy. Good luck though against the other enemy.
@King Eric
ahh yeah. You’re were in Dubai right? Sweet. well maybe not so much anymore. i bet it sucks
@slim, Completely agree mate regarding the first point. Maybe I’m not getting my point across properly (which has been known to happen a lot), I was merely pointing out the difference in management styles between England and Spain, and providing that as one of the reasons why Pep would not be suitable for United. That is the main reason why this debate started in the first place.
And I think we can all agree that the person who takes over should understand he club and its heritage and should continue the tradition set forth by Sir Matt and Sir Alex. That is the reason why I suggested former players, and also because they would command immediate respect from fans, board and players alike. But it could be anybody as long as they know what they’re signing up for.
And I imagine Sir Alex will decide who succeeds him, and will have be a big influence for the first few years said person is in the club.
Sir Alex must remain at his post till a proper replacement is brought forward!
wow. nasri starts
The expression on his face is a classic though!
Honestly all opinions aside, if we are to get Sneijder for under 35 million, that just shows how fucking mental they are at Liverpool for spending that amount on Carroll.
FIFA Team Of The Year, UEFA Midfielder Of The Year, Treble Winner > Fat greasy geordie ponytail bastard.
Boggles my mind that Barca have beaten us easily in two finals, battered Arsenal two years in a row and knocked Chelsea out during that time as well and many of their players hold the World Cup, European Championship and the Champions League ye they would struggle against BOLTON AND STOKE!??!!? Stoke, a team that we’ve played Giggs and Scholes in at the Britannia recently and it’s been enough to dominate midfield. (The key? Pass around them and when not with the ball use the space intelligently to stop Stoke gathering any momentum).
PLUS, Bolton and Stoke are pansies compared to the teams we’ve had in the Premiership era (featuring the likes of Keane, Scholes, Stam, Vidic, Ince.. etc etc) and we’ve generally lost to the likes of Barca and Madrid in Europe.
I just can’t imagine Xavi, Iniesta and Messi beating a team managed by Mourinho with the likes of Khedira, Pepe, Carvalho, Xabi Alonso 5-0 struggling against Pulis and Coyle.
And physically weak? Who cares? They’d adapt (just like De Gea will). David Silva is one of the better players in the league. You’re actually describing why England are so lacking – small, technical players are dismissed for being too weak. Powerful runners are valued above all else and that’s why England players can’t pass the ball in international tournaments. That’s why our managers are foreign like our owners and most of the league’s stars are foreign – English football is pretty shit. I thank the lord Scholes and Keane made it, despite being physically small.
lol if Berba is a flop, Arsharvin must be lifeless
@The Fly
Andy Carroll is a horrible, greasy troll and needs to be taken back to the cave where they found him.
Bit of a rant. Just saying I wouldn’t mind Guardiola as a manger. Ideally someone would emerge in those few years as an outstanding canididate to take over the job in the long run. I just think it’s important standards on and off the pitch don’t drop for a couple of years and Guardiola should ensure that.
Don’t think it’ll happen, though.
Carroll is a diving cheat.
Carroll in this match has been fucking wank. Lazy, one-dimensional, slow, alcoholic, geordie, greasy, twat. 35 million for that, fuck me.
Mike Riley has just been shown on camera. He must have gave us at least 100 penalties. Clearly a United fan.
Apart from the Everton semi-final decision against Welbeck. Or was that Martin Atkinson.
Why are people slagging off Andy Carroll? He’s BIG, STRONG and ENGLISH.
Next manager will surely be Guardiola, he wont always be the boss of Barca as they love to change their coaches every few years.
I am wondering if anyone has an answer to this – following out bid early on, why exactly did we lose interest in Nasri? Not saying we should sign him, but just curious. Despite my delight at seeing the young lads strut their stuff, I’m just wondering what how a couple of injuries in midfield will affect our season.
andy carroll. what a slob
Arsenal 0:0 liverpool
Half time
Good article. Haven’t read all the comments yet. I used to be in favor of Maureen taking over from Sir Alex. But he’s gone too far. Don’t ask me to define where the line between “extreme — but acceptable” and “unacceptable” is. I’m not a lawyer. But although I can’t define it, I know Maureen has stepped over it.
I do disagree with some of the article’s comments about RM’s football, though. From what i saw of both matches so far, Real looked to be playing expansively. I don’t view their performances as having been defensive or conservative, not in the slightest. And I don’t think they were against Barca last year, either. In fact, in both the cup matches this year, The Virus seemed to have the better of Barca for long periods. They certainly generated more chances.
Here’s something to think about, though. As a listed company worth about $2 billion on the Singapore Exchange, do you think the major shareholders (the Glazers with 70% and institutional investors like retirement and investment funds) will care whether Maureen would tarnish our reputation or not? The value of their investment will depend on our share price. Short-term blips (on the field, or in the market) won’t worry them, but longer-term dips and slides certainly would. Trouble is, so much is at stake that they must try to anticipate the causes of those dips before they happen. The appointment of Sir Alex’s replacement is something the suits will watch very closely. A longer-term dip in the club’s performances could wipre serious value of their investment — and cannot be fixed quickly either.
Do you really think that under these conditions, when it comes time to replace Sir Alex, will give a tinker’s cuss for our reputation? For them, our “reputation” and “tradition” are simply feel-good factors — it’s nice to chat about over a glass of sherry with your friends at the exclusive clubs you attend, and something those slimebags down in marketing seem to make good use of, but this is their money we’re talking about! You think they will care that Maureen once poked another coach in the eye? Do you think they will care about the opinions of Sir Alex and Sir Bobby? Will they fuck!
If those investors believe Maureen is the best choice they can make to protect their share price, then that’s what they’ll do. Trust me on this. And given Maureen’s record of success (which really can’t be argued with), that may well be the obvious choice. How can I be so sure? Because given their fidiciary responsibilities to their own shreholders, they actually have no choice: whatever is best for the shareprice, is best — period.
Unless of course Pep has tired of Barca’s politics by then…
Everyone’s being a bit to over dramatic about this whole issue. Would you rather have a nice bloke that wins nothing? Anyway, however much we display our heartfelt desire, resentment, wishlist and all that crap, the truth is all of us combined will still have no say in who replaces Sir Alex. The Galzers will ultimately decide along business lines.They don’t care about football or United’s culture nor history. Their Yankee media gurus schooled in the art of sports franchising media advertising strategy, will pick Mourinho. Because he’ll bring trophies and he’s your typical “in your face” personality whose in the news every other day for all sorts of reason.. Media revenues will increase remarkably.
The point is, history remembers winners and winners brings in the dough. I don’t like this any more than you do but that’s the reality of modern football.
What does being ENGLISH have to do with how good you are? big strong you say but those Day’s that you can only rely on your physical prowess are long gone, if you ain’t got any quality technical abilities then you’ll never make a big impact at the highest level.
Mentality like this are why england struggle at the highest level, you think being able to run fast, strong is what football is all about, they don’t do enough work on technical ability.What does being ENGLISH have to do with how good you are? big strong you say but those Day’s that you can only rely on your physical prowess are long gone, if you ain’t got any quality technical abilities then you’ll never make a big impact at the highest level.
Mentality like this are why england struggle at the highest level, you think being able to run fast, strong is what football is all about, they don’t do enough work on technical ability.
What does being ENGLISH have to do with how good you are? big strong you say but those Day’s that you can only rely on your physical prowess are long gone, if you ain’t got any quality technical abilities then you’ll never make a big impact at the highest level.
Mentality like this are why england struggle at the highest level, you think being able to run fast, strong is what football is all about, they don’t do enough work on technical ability.
How shit is Jordan Henderson? 20m! Maybe there is a point to the no value in the transfer market when i see shit like him. Cleverley will piss all over that scouser when we meet.
Samuel – united WE stand – i’ve been saying this for YEARS
Damn, beaten to it – I too saw Sadam clone before the translator cunt. No room for either in football. I’m actually glad this has happened because I really hate the cunt. He was never going to be United’s manager anyway.
Imagine if the cunt won things with us, there’d be a statue next to Sir Matt’s. Can’t allow that to happen. Sir Bobby and the board know best.
OFF topic – what’s happened to myp2p? The site’s down. Trying to find a sopcast links page if anyone knows of one.
This is all subjective because we have Chicharito, but could you imagine Rooney and Van Persie playing upfront together? The PL’s two most technically gifted strikers in one side would be amazing.
Mourinho brings cups and sucess every club he goes but he throws respect,honour, football and traditions out the window to make way for boring, disrespectful, anti footballing sucess.
I would like to see one of below managers selected as our perfect replacement for the great SAF:
David Moyes – ( Scotsman, good judge of character, good man dealing with hard situations)
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Guardiola – ( tippy tappy and loves youth)
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Laurent Blanc -
(Bordeux won the league with him & he’s completely rejuvenated the france national team)
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Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce -
(Good Managers, everyone has a soft spot for them but need to prove themselves some more )
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Owen Coyle – ( Scotsman, seems like a good tactician, has brought Burnley up, improved bolton significantly and is good with transfers and money and has the respect of everyone)
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Andre Villas Boas – depending on career sucess and availability.
@Samuel – united WE stand says:
Because English players know how the English game is run?
IE Not pansy continental leagues, but if you want the league to be full of (more) diving and even the slightest physical contact resulting in a foul, then be my guest…..
RJ , nonsense watch Paul Scholes and you’d think he was south american or spanish the way he plays football. Every footballer in England should be like him, exceptional on the ball, great vision yet tough aswell.
We encourage and breed thuggery in England at youth level except at United and Arsenal where football and mentality comes first.
KR – henderson was never worth 20million but liverpool bought the hype but lets give him this season and lets see if he improves but i’ve watched him for sunderland and i’ve never got the hype.
Cleverly has cost us nothing and is bound to become a top player, kinda shows that sometimes Spending extravagant money on a player doesn’t necessarily get the required value.
as for the english big, strong and athletic mentality, well i doubt will change any time soon, stoke is a proof of this.
Afternoon, Clint. My personal pick would be Blanc, of course, but I wouldn’t mind Guardiola, though I really don’t see why he’d want to leave Barcelona. And then there is the fact that he has been utter cack in the transfer market (remember Chygrynsky?)
On another note, what a crap game. Arsenal’s defence has an average age of twelve and Liverpool still can’t get past them. Oh it’s their year alright.
@Samuel – united WE stand
If you read my posts previous to the Andy Carroll one you’d see my thoughts on technical ability and the English game.
My comment about Carroll was just cheap sarcasm.
Samuel – united WE stand, there is just about no value anymore in the market except for one player and i don’t think i need to tell you who he is but he’s a dutch international midfielder
Arsenal 0:0 liverpool
70 minutes
Frimpong 2nd yellow, he’s actually played well.
That means 3 players suspended for Arsenal against us.
@KR
You can’t really call his tackling technical though!
Joking aside, I don’t remember him going over at the slightest contact, or diving excessively (Although I’m a bit young to remember his early days).
Meireles looks like a mess but he’s a terrific player and the scousers are lucky to have him but to not play him is also ungrateful and he can do better than Liverpool.
RJ – its a myth that only foreign player’s dive when slightly touched, this so called tough english player’s do the same, i’m not saying pack the league with foreign player’s but its worrying that most english player’s are praised only for their ‘passion and commitment’, endless headless chicken style of running, rash tackling, how big and strong they are and not for genuine technical ability, skill and pure brilliance.
Every worldcup, they have high hopes of winning it without realising they’re lagging way behind in technical skills compared to other countries and then they sack manager’s thinking that will solve the issue but are back to square one.RJ – its a myth that only foreign player’s dive when slightly touched, this so called tough english player’s do the same, i’m not saying pack the league with foreign player’s but its worrying that most english player’s are praised only for their ‘passion and commitment’, endless headless chicken style of running, rash tackling, how big and strong they are and not for genuine technical ability, skill and pure brilliance.
Every worldcup, they have high hopes of winning it without realising they’re lagging way behind in technical skills compared to other countries and then they sack manager’s thinking that will solve the issue but are back to square one.
RJ, not really but if you ask Xavi or Iniesta to play out of their nature and go sliding around then they’d fail also because it’s not their business to, however Scholesy had to because it’s the ‘english mentality’ to never back out.
ahjs – oh i didn’t realise, my bad. i’ve never rated caroll though, he can only prosper in a long ball team in which they can utilise is aerial ability, beyond that though he is useless, slow and cumbersome like a veteran, he is meant to be a youngster.
Samuel – united WE stand, apart from Rooney and possibly Gerrard this England team has FAIL written all over it. We are so behind technically than the top countries in the world it’s a joke.
The team i enjoy watching the most at present internationally is Germany, these little geniuses they bring in like Ozil and Goetze are exactly what England are missing. Spain are the benchmark but i think Germany will be a dominant force soon.
Oh and by the way there is another player who is worth his speculated fee and that’s Schweinsteiger.
The calls for Ole, Scholes, Giggs etc to take over from Sir Alex are interesting but it would be a mistake as the 1st replacement. Unless they come with experience of top level football and can deal with the difficulties there will be, they’ll be on a hiding to nothing.
This is why Jose has always be classed as the best bet, he’s successful, can handle the pressure and would see it as a challenge to take over from Sir Alex, a couple of years ago Jose was the only candidate, now there is a few more potential future managers, my personal choice would be Blanc, his teams play the right kind of football and he understands the club.
Afternoon Red folk.
I simply can not understand anyone wanting that twunt at United. I’ll admit there was a time when his undeniable success made it seem like it would be nice to have him but he’s just not worthy of being even remotely involved with our great club. Can’t remember who said it but further up in the posts someone mentioned Sir Matt would turn in his grave. Exactly. That says it all really doesn’t it?
Off topic, looking at Liverpoo and the Arse, they both look shite. Arsenal are getting funnier by the day. Frimpong sent off with his stupid foul and stupid hair. Best player about to leave, maybe. Laughable goal just conceded. I live near Arsenal and let me tell you, I have only met one fan who hasn’t appeared to be a despicable wannabe cockney rude bwoy. Loving it.
Back on topic, Maureen is a wrongun. You can just see it in him. One day there will be a Max Mosely like newspaper scoop showing him up to something seriously fucking wrong behind closed doors. Probably eating his own poo while a group of guys pee on him.
Definitely not at United thank you. The scatmunching twat.
KR – exactly, i’m not suprised sir alex wants to put his faith on young players, its a gamble but better than spending on overrated player’s.
Wesley sneijder would be terrific in the engine room, whether he can play as a central midfielder rather than a number 10 (Rooney has that position) remains to be seen but that deal is dead and im personally not convinced that the manager felt he needed him badly.KR – exactly, i’m not suprised sir alex wants to put his faith on young players, its a gamble but better than spending on overrated player’s.
Wesley sneijder would be terrific in the engine room, whether he can play as a central midfielder rather than a number 10 (Rooney has that position) remains to be seen but that deal is dead and im personally not convinced that the manager felt he needed him badly.
Arsenal 0:2 liverpool
90 minutes
KR – i’ve always wondered why england fans have never appreciated Rooney, in my view currently he is the most technically gifted english player, the pressure placed on him to be this saviour though is crazy, football is a team game.
I agree that england are lagging behind the powerhouse’s out there but of course that can be rectified if the effort is put in but it cant be done overnight.
The likes of smalling, jones, cleverly, welbeck give a glimmer of hope but the united young player’s can’t do it all.
Yes germany are coming up gradually, so are france, holland e.t.c and i agree the shweinsteinger would be good but no way would bayern release Him.
Le arse is piss poor. Can’t see them finish top4 atm.
I don’t even feel like laughing at Arsenal anymore. This is just sad.
sad seeing le’arse this way. laughing really but feels really sick
Well I must work all day today, just saw Pool beat the gunners. I have not read the posts. I will DVR the games ahead.
Matta to the Rent Boyz? Humm I like him as a player. Fuck.
The Gunners finish? wow AA looked board.
Frimpong? Can you die from it? Is it contagious?
JM at Old Trafford will be debated for years to come. His players would follow him into hell. He wins where ever he is at. Does not stay long. Is an ass. Has won everything.
So as a page in a book turns, so do the days of our lives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTanaow3qQw
Fuck Mourinho, I would not want to see him or his ego at OT. There was a time when I considered it, but his embarassing actions outweigh his tactical talents.
Phil and Gary as the next manager:)
Good post Rob. You are not welcome at United Mourinho, you fucking scum bastard.
England’s most gifted players have long got a short shrift – Hoddle did, like Scholes. Le Tissier and McManaman were good players but not trusted, thought of as lazy. I’m not saying they were world beaters but they should have had more of an England career. Who else? Sheringham? Joe Cole? Maybe that’s pushing it. Gazza ruined it for himself, I suppose.
Rooney’s in good company. Lampard and Gerrard as a partnership is the main flaw of the side. Once you add Gareth Barry to the mix and bring back Heskey, what can you expect apart from disaster? Maradona couldn’t save that lot, let alone Rooney, yet during tha last World Cup people were calling for Rooney to be dropped!
Feel for the gooners. So many injuries. Liverpool will get all the praise, but they weren’t great. Wenger must spend now. If he doesn’t, they will struggle to finish top 4. Never mind, actually challenge for the league. We must be heavy favourites for the game at OT. That worries me slightly. They will come to OT, with nothing to lose. Anyway, we must deal with the spuds first.
Sneijder not training today and not playing tomorrow due to “personal issues”. Has he dropped his wage demands again to a stunning 248,998,89?
What odds am I seriously offered now on Arsenal finishing 2nd in the league this year?
@Samuel & KR
Oh I agree totally, the National team is complete gash (Despite the “world class” pairing of Lampard and Stevie Me), I’m just saying I’m not into this whole diving and easy foul thing. I suppose it’s just personal preference, but I just prefer a good, physical match (I have a soft spot for Stoke, even though their fans are dick heads).
Maybe that’s the problem then, maybe there’s too many British fans like me that like a bit of rough play and that’s why the English game relies on foreign players for technicality?
smartalex – Better start thinking about my Meg prize my friend
CedarsDevil – I’ve spoken to my agent, who will be getting hold of her agent on Tuesday.
The wheels are in motion!
Nasri to city looks off atm.
I don’t think Chico was actually ever injured. I think it was a excellent smokescreen by SAF.
Chico played in the Gold Cup until June, played the whole of last season & the world cup.
He probably did bang his head but it was most likely blown purposely out of proportion to give Chico a 10 week break after his rise to fame.
I think SAF is just protecting the lad from Burn Out and it has been excellently constructed and executed. No pressure from the media and no non-sense talk of burn out or injury prone-ness. Considering we have Rooney, Danny-boy, Berba so its not even a problem with his absence being prolonged a bit longer.
@Kings LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Almost how I feel………. It sucks!!!!!!!
@willie spot o about the Gunners mate.
@ Papii I have the same feeling about Lil Pea.
When Lil Pea does return and get in form wow I hope TC and Lil Pea connect!!! I see the through balls now!!
Some sarcastic comments on here that some people clearly don’t pick up on!
Meireles isnt a “terrific” player. He is ok. Carrol is fucking shit.
slim – No mate. It didnt suck . I thouroughly enjoyed it.
Hmm is TC – Top Cat?
When did he join us ?
Imagine Naseri joins either us or Barcelona on a free transfer next summer. Now that would be funny.
A reunion with Cescy Boy at Catalonia or a move to the 2012 Premier League Champs.
meireles is decent thats all
Lets be honest real Madrid played gd football messi barca was just more clinical infront of goal
considering they got battered 5-0 b4 but now their games of tight margins shows dat real is improving
if fergie retires who else on da planet can replace him apart from Jose no1 n pep isnt leaving barca so lets stop da nonsense bout keep dis man out wen we would welcome him wit open arms
Tom Cat. hehe
The guy in the picture in the middle, he was on of the bad guy’s in Romancing the Stone?
In regards to my last post I take back that word “suck” . It isnt a word I have EVER used , I was merely using it as Slim had. I hate the word. No offence to those across the atlantic but its “so American”!
snijder has not passed stools today
Saw most of the Arsenal game until I fell asleep. I liked Pingpong and now I hear he made the fatal error. Lol. To be honest, this is the one result I didn’t want today. The dippers’ metal looks to be stronger and a win at the Emirates can only boost them even more. I still don’t know what the hell Adam is doing over there, but whatever…
As for Arsenal, oh dear…
@costas
pimpong…………………………………….
i wont be surprised if wenger gets sacked if they lose to udinese and us
Na. They wouldn’t sack him. He would probably resign.
Nah, they won’t sack him. He’ll leave for free next year anyway. But it does look like March has come early for Arsenal.
Couldn’t agree more. He lacks the class to lead a side like United. Yes, he can get results fast given some transfer money, but that has never been what United’s about.
Who is going to sack a bloke that does the job of 6 guys and is only failing in 2 roles (manager and director of football strategy).
The only people with the stupidity to sack him are the Shareholders and I can’t see Stan Kroenke and Usmanov agreeing to axe the manager with the backing of the Board of Directors.
The only way Wenger will leave is if he quits or his contract expires. He’ll most likely manage PSG if he doesn’t quit managing completely.
who’s frimping-pong?
Sack Wenger? You’re having a laugh, right?
How on earth is that greasy haired alcoholic Geordie prick worth 35m? He’s fucking dire.
RJ , we all loved the physicality of Keano mate there was nothing like him and Vieira battling in the mid but don’t forget those two were also 2 incredibly gifted footballers who could play with the best of them and lead their teams to glory. Not many tough tackling yet world class footballers around any more instead we have idiots like De Jong playing the poor mans role.
I’m talking when you have a player that is physical and that’s it he has nothing else to offer is what irritates me.
I think Mourinho is brilliant. He’s a proper cunt and no mistake, and I can appreciate that. wouldn’t want him at United though.
my vote goes to David Moyes (in about 10 years when Fetgie retires). he’s got the premiership experience, does well even with poor resources, doesn’t fuck about waving his ego infront of everyone and hates the dippers. he’s not going to get bored and bugger off to another club, and he doesn’t show his club up by making stupid outbursts (issa’fack).
Fuck me sideways, Heskey scored! What´s next? Will Richard Dunne stop producing own goals? This season surely will be interesting if these freak accidents continues.
Wenger will probably keep Nasri just to give himself every chance to finish his Arsenal career on a high. Yeah, they’ll lose about 20 million when he leaves next season for free, but Wenger has been a very economical manager for Arsenal. His last expensive signing was Antonio Reyes 7 years ago.
@King Eric
no way a trip to Dubai would suck lol. i meant it must suck being back
oh dear carra says in the aftermath of getting 3 points at the emirates “we had a point to prove” a point to who? Arsenal? Who’d just lost their captain. Against 10 men and a very young team of inexperienced youngsters. can’t stand the fucker. i hope Nani dances round him when we play them scouse bunch
Guardiola!
Alfie, agreed could you imagine that football philosophy at OT!
It’s their first game of their season and Everton are down against fucking QPR.
They always finish strongly, of course, but David Moyes’ side are piss poor at the start of every darn season. He’s a shrewd manager alright, but I’m not entirely convinced he’ll step up.
Ive always said David Moyes.
Fucking loved that Morrisey reference
Amen to that scott !!!!!!
A lot of rumours surfacing in Italian press that Wes has now handed in a formal transfer request. Grab a pinch of salt and take it I would say. Although it should be noted that he did fly to Bari for a tournament but Inter have stated on their official site that he’s “not in the squad to play olympiakos for personal issues”. Eto’o also left out of the squad for “personal issues” so……………
Arsenal really are a mess this season. They will be coming to Old Trafford struggling to field a team. If they don’t sign any defenders then it really could be a big win for United. They look so average, even if they are keeping Nasri now they still won’t be challenging. Get Ashley Young tormenting that Jenkinson and we could be laughing. Don’t want to be over confident though, it’s a well known fact that teams play their best performances against United.
Nice to see all the journo’s on Twitter having a dig at Andy Carroll, he was piss poor today. Jordan Henderson also fucking shit. Can’t believe the England U-21′s put super Tom Cleverley on the left just so Henderson could be in the centre, are they actually that thick. You’d have thought they’d have learnt from how they treated Scholesy.
Oh and John Terry is a cunt.
I don’t know if it is true, but I read somewhere that Chelsea were asked to pay 15m more than what Liverpool paid for Carroll to buy Torres. So, all the extra money paid for Carroll would actually be paid by Chelsea making them the real morons – well we all know AbramABitch will pay over the odds for players he has a man crush on!
I wonder if AbramABitch prefers men and bought Sheva and Ladyboy for reasons other than football, if you know what I mean.
Preaching to the chour Scott.
I am a, if not the, founding member of the “NoMaureen4ManUnited” Club.
Join me brothers and sisters.
Mourinho is not for us and never was. Don’t take success at chav clubs as a calling card for us. The man has no true tactical nous and is definitely NOT United quality.
I pulled up a post from last year. The context was the thread of posts were ROMsters were wanking philosophical about the Jose.
March 23, 2011 at 22:09
FletchTHEMAN says:
Maureen? The spackled one???, Don’t want it in a million years. If it happens, sigh, I feel I will have to forgo the managers pre and post match as I can’t stomach the man.
Thing is, I am a red. Can’t imagine that even the spackled one can change that. But it could come close. Just have to use regular mouth wash and bathe 3 times a day on match days so I don’t feel revulsion at my own skin. It won’t be pretty. We could survive, just.
Could pull up many other similar posts, but this one pretty much says it all for me.
Be of relevance if anything the author had to say about Mourinho’s pedigree and accomplishments had any merit, but the giveaway were the past tense points about how Scott would have taken Mourinho in a heartbeat due to his successes at Porto, Chelsea, and Inter. All the guy knows how to do is sell himself, with that consummate and breezy self-appraisal that is the hallmark of the self-anointed ‘special one’. He took Porto, a decent club in an a relatively backwater league (albeit one that has produced some fine players) and rode his luck to a CL win during a season when all the major teams found a way to shot themselves in the foot and knock themselves out of Portp’s way. Selling himself on that accomplishment, he transferred over to a Chelsea outfit that was on the cusp of success thanks to the open chequebook policy of Abromovich and the astute purchases and building of the previous manager. Nothing spectacular in that, and he rode that horse for a couple of years until the wheels fell off and he got fired, in no large part thanks to the stilted and unimaginative manner in which his teams play football and the fact his Russian paymaster had tired of it. On to Inter, yet another top outfit where a previous manager had put all the building blocks in place for success, and away he went accepting the kudos for the work of others.
In short, all the guy has ever done is hop from one top notch club to another, taking on the work of others as teams were on the rise. He has NEVER put in the hard yards in the manner that Sir Alex has done time and again, building and rebuilding teams, nurturing young talent, rethinking and regrouping tactics and personnel to suit the given moment. It’s easy to build a portfolio of apparent success when all you do is step from one top club to another when all the pieces are in the right place for success. That isn’t astute management, a winning formula, or tactical nouse. It’s simple opportunism on a grand scale.
With all the money Real Madrid have spent of late the shallow nature of his manoeuvring from one successful and retooled club to another should have worked to his advantage again, but unfortunately for the ‘classless one’ he happens to have run into a Barcelona team that is not only one of the finest outfits ever seen on a football paddock, but one that embraces a United-like philosophy of nurturing young talent to its distinct advantage. It’s the kind of football philosophy that is total anathema to the way both Real Madrid and Mourinho think, and in a nutshell that’s exactly why I’ve never been an advocate for the Portuguese pipsqueak taking over the reins from Sir Alex when he retires. The recent disgraceful episode simply highlights the kind of shortcomings that would make him an albatross to United in the manager’s job. Everything that the club represents would go out the window in his pursuit of short term glory for the one thing in the world that matters to him – his ego. The club, espeically it’s long term future, would rate a distant second.
Sir Alex’s greatness as a manager isn’t necessarily the many trophies the club has won under his aegis. It’s the fact he’s been willing to personally accept the lean times during rebuilding phases that mark him out – kudos should also be handed out to management for having the patience and understanding to see that as well. That’s why Chelsea will never be able to sustain success while Roman ‘results-now’ Abromovich maintains a controlling interest at the club, and the same will probably apply to City.
So get down on your knees and PRAY that Mourinho never comes anywhere near United. He’s not, and never has been, a great manager. He’s simply a salesman who’s superlative talent is in selling himself. A monkey could have managed the trophy-winning teams he’s been associated with, given the kind of personnel, the work, and the money put in place prior to his arrival at each club.
seanmthered
Yeah I said that in my first post. ‘a certain Mancunian God’, that he is. I’ve met Morrissey a few times (not bragging), he is an icon and he knows it. Love The Smiths.
Whoever replaces Fergie, I hope he is
- Scottish
- Can pull out the hairdryer
- Demands nothing but perfection from his team
- A master tactician
- Conducts himself with absolute class and demands the same from his players
- Understands what United is about and love the club like we do
Hmm…funny, we already have him as the manager. All I can hope for is that in the next 10 years, when Fergie decides to call it a day, cloning will have been perfected and we are able to clone the great man and transfer all the experience into Fergie II. Buhahahahahaha
Think I am losing it at the thought of him retiring. It’s more than I can take.
QPR 3 points!!!
David Moyes as next United manager… Christ, are people still beating that drum? I can imagine the kind of exciting football we’d play under him. How many seasons of mediocre Moyes shite do people have to witness before the penny will finally drop?
“Fuck Mourinho. He plays boring, defensive football.”
“Get David Moyes. He plays boring, defensive football – but he’s Scottish! Oh, and he’s never won anything either.”
Keep THAT man away from Old Trafford too, for the love of God.
By the way, this article is a steaming pile of poorly-written crap, like most of the contributed articles that have been cropping up on here recently (with the exception of Giles Oakley’s, obviously). Is Scott the Red getting lazy or what? As a fan of this blog, I must say I’m concerned.
I’m not convinced with the idea of Ole replacing Sir Alex. He may be legend and all but let’s be realistic, he doesn’t have enough experience to manage a huge club like United. He’s building his resume now with Molde and things are looking good, but he needs to return to the Premier League as soon as possible and start building his reputation here.
Guardiola is probably the closest but I’d like to see him rebuilding the team without Xavi and Iniesta in the picture and see if he’s still manage to win them the title.
I agree with Fred about Moyes. He’s been with Everton, what, 10 years now? He’s reached his glass ceiling imo.
In 2 to 5 years time, when the time does come, it might be a new crop to talk about. SAF the Owners and Gill have a plan I’m sure. I’m working on my badges.
Even though the score shows a tight competition between Barca and Real, in reality though I beg to differ. The only strategy that Maurinho implored when playing Barca was to play barbaric. It was disgusting. It’s like the only thing in their mind is to whack any Barca’s legs as often as possible. There was no tactic or whatsoever. They just relied on a dead ball situation and hope for the best. Disgusting but it worked until the last minute when Messi scored. So what’s the plan B after that? To chop more legs.
“He’s still managed to maintain his levels of success, taking that Inter team to Champions of Europe. Well, who would have guessed? But the way they and he did it, playing that brand of Anti-Football, it simply turns me off.”
Yes, that famous Anti-football! He signed Eto’o, Milito, Lucio, Sneijder and Pandev, got rid of Vieira and other dead weight. They mainly played 4-4-2 or an exciting 4-3-3 with the three pronged attack of Eto’o, Milto and Pandev being fed by Wesley Sneijder
Real anti-football that! They scored a meagre 99 goals that season, and Milito was their top scorer with 30. He was also the top scorer in the Champions League. Anti-football! They wiped the fucking floor with Barcelona at the San Siro, and finished the job in the Camp Nou, despite playing with only 10 men for most of the game, thanks to Busquets’s famous dive and play-acting. They won the Treble FFS. 
I think Mourinho is a toerag, as I said the other night, moments after the incident which inspired this article. But I’m calling “bullshit” on that part of your article. Sorry.
Fred I agree, Inter played with brilliance and Barca dove and worse fake acted to get cards, Pedro a touch to the chest drop like they got hit from Tyson, Barca that year brought shame on the world of Football.
Go West Brom!!!
BBL
Love Man Utd!!!
AN INSIDER NEWS:
Samir Nasri to stay at arsenal for one more year and will come to united on a free transfer next season, apparently, he doesnt want to go to citeh at all and has been assured that fergie will take him free next transfer! Mark my words guys…
Moyes has done a good job at Everton. Limited resources. Not brilliant in the transfer market – for every Cahill and Baines there’s Andy Johnson, James Beattie, Yakubu, that Russian winger with the name. Uninspiring football – wihout injuries they’ve played one up front in many a dull game. In Champions League qualifiers and the Europa League they’ve been comprehensively outplayed and knocked out early.
It’s a tough job. I respect what he’s done. But Ferguson would have done so much more. Allardyce did very well at Bolton, Hughes at Blackburn, McClaren at Middlesboro. When they stepped up they didn’t last long. I fear the same fate would await Moyes at United.
Fred – Though I’ve went off the idea of him managing United. The way some people try to diminish his achievements, is embarrassing. Still don’t want him at United though. Larry White is my dark horse. I wonder if Moyes could make that step up to mange a club like United. He’s done wonders at Everton, with little, or no money. I’d like one of the legends to be involved in some capacity.
@Ferane Mauritius – don’t know wtf youre talking about but i would prefer him to stay at Arsenal and leave them in top 4 with Citeh or scousers outside.
@ Fred
“But I’m calling “bullshit” on that part of your article. Sorry.”
I agree with you there. They tore Chelsea apart and played positively against Barca in the San Siro. I think they were entitled to defend in the Nou Camp anyway but especially after Motta was harshly sent-off. And, in my opinion, those games were good viewing.
Ferane Mauritius – Hello buddy.
This “Insider” you speak of, is he also in Mauritius?
Great piece.
chelsea 0 WBA 1
How many days till AVB gets fired? Lets get the bets going!
Thanks for all the comments agreeing with me, guys.
I do think the “anti-football” thing with Mourinho is exaggerated. I remember his Chelsea side tearing Liverpool to shreds and walking out of Anfield 4-1 winners. I’m sure most of us would love a result and performance like that from United at Anfield. Jose certainly hated the Scousers. Who could forget him walking up to them and giving the “shush” gesture when Chelsea scored against them in the League Cup final one year?
Of course, he does that to the dipper fans and I LMAO, if he did it to us it would be a different story. 
The fickle nature of the football fan!
Plus, his Real Madrid side smashed teams in La Liga last season in 4, 5, 6, 7 and even 8 goal wins. Do people really think he would take a United team, with our abundance of attacking talent, and have us grinding out 1-0 wins in a 4-5-1 formation?
My problem with Jose is not his coaching skills, it’s that he’s a sly cunt, as evidenced by his actions the other night.
By the way, I watched the footage from another angle on YouTube and it looks to me like Mourinho’s kick was aimed at Guardiola, not Fabregas. It showed a disregard for Fabregas though and was a typically despicable act.
ahjs – I agree that Inter’s performance in the Camp Nou was great viewing, it was a phenomenal performance imho, against all odds. I was amazed.
The Bridge is over, the bridge is over!
Who scored for the Brom?
Boogie Down Productions!
It was Shane Long. Well done to anyone who had this young lad in their fantasy football team!
I’m not convinced Guardiola would pursue ‘tika-taka’ football if he came to United. There have been several reports from those who know him that he relishes the idea of moving to a different league and proving himself there — where different systems and styles may be more effective or even necessary — and that he understands his legacy as a coach may never be complete unless he does that. And it is widely acknowledged that he finds the politics and in-fighting at Barcelona to be a huge burden. To this day, he signs a new one-year contract at the end of each season, because of the politics.
And don’t forget, Barcelona are tottering on the brink of a massive financial abyss. They are being propped up now by friendly banks, corporate benefactprs with deep pockets, and tame politicians with influence. But if these Fianancial Fair Play rules have any teeth at all, that can’t last forever. FCB have the highest average per-player salary of any team in any sport in the world — in US dollars, over $152,000 per player. They are already requiring help to write those pay checks. How long do you think Messi and Iniesta and Co will hang around, if the money stops flowing?
And one more thing. Everyone knows that replacing Sir Alex is the biggest challenge in football management. The man who can step into Sir Alex’s office, take this club over and keep it successful for another 25 years — that man will write his own name in the history books next to Sir Alex’s, and deservedly so. There aren’t many other comparable opportunities to achieve ‘greatness’ available to managers at the highest level.
What a temptation that would be for Guardiola…
@ smartalex
Hello mate,
Lol, Nasri is almost confirmed to stay- that’s info canal+
But the transfer to united is what nasri want and staying at arsenal this season and not going to citeh would probably confirm my news…..
In Mauritius, I can tell you that united fans are the majority and is continue growing
Just seen the reply there now. Alex was all over the place ffs!
Well done to Shane Long. Doing pretty good v top sides. A kid to watch. Come on Baggies!
Shane Long! what did you do there? Clown!
@ Fred “By the way, this article is a steaming pile of poorly-written crap”.
I agree with you there. I thought it was poor enough. The guy who wrote that article, I was talking to him on twitter a few days ago. & he was saying how he doesn’t have respect for Ronaldo, Becks, Stam & Ruud anymore. Seems like a bit of a tool if you ask me.
Maybe Scott’s gone lazy, ‘cos he’s been tweeting alot the past few days but not updating the blog.
Will the rags write tons of articles about what a flop Alex is?
Just curious.
fucking hell WBA should be up by 2 or 3 goals.
West Brom in total control. Still expect Chelsea to come back but it’s hardly going to be the thrashing it was last year. Let’s hope they get another, Shane Long and that huge winger look a constant threat.
@Neil’s_a_Red – Scott’s fantastic articles are what brought us all to this blog. It’s a shame that we are seeing an increase in the amount of these contributed articles. If I wanted to read these guys’ efforts, I would visit their blogs. I come to RoM for Scott’s excellent articles, insight and opinion.
I guess Scott has realised that he can get the same amount of hits while letting other people do the work for him. Unfortunately, the standard of their articles has been vastly inferior to what Scott can produce. I’m surprised to find that no-one else seems to have noticed.
Costas – In short? No. Alex doesn’t play for United. They’d rather pick on someone like Bebe.
The West Brom winger Tchoyi looks like a very decent player, he gave us a torrid time last week
Darren Ferguson’s Peterbrough keeping up their goalscoring exploits, they’re 4-1 up at half-time against Ipswich.
For those of you who want cavalier football, it looks like Sir Alex’s successor could be right under our noses.
wee wes clique be resurrected…
@TheRadLegion
i hope you don’t wear those tinted glasses when watching United. Babaric tactics, dead ball situations? really? Forget the specs, did you watch the last two encounters? Somehow i doubt it.
Ex-United player Lee Martin was sent off for Ipswich. I always thought he’d be a decent player and find success at a lower level Premier League club, a la Chris Eagles. Guess I was wrong.
as soon as the chelsea game started the first words out of the announcers mouth were ” chelsea looking to reclaim the title that was taken away from them by United”.
really?? reclaim? we have won it 4 out of the last 5 seasons and they are trying to reclaim it??
united.george – you think that’s bad? When Arsenal won the league in 2004, their moronic players were singing OUR song “we’ve got our trophy back”
If those wankers didn’t realise why we considered it OUR trophy back then, they surely do now. 12 Premier League titles, bitches. 
The one they were singing about was their third – and last.
@willie
Ah, thought so. Or DDG. Oh well. Seems like Boas has picked up Ancelotti’s spineless-is desease and has started with Torres instead of Drogba.
Is it safe today on the ROM?
having a go at one of é dippers’s fan on how their self proclaim joker turn king have wasted £35M on a useless carroll & haha u should see how he went mental & accuse SIR of similiarly wasted our $$ on a certain bebe too. hahaha…fucking hilarious these loosers.
having a go at one of é dippers’s fan on how their self proclaim joker turn king have wasted £35M on a useless carroll & haha u should see how he went mental & accuse SIR of similiarly wasted our $$ on a certain bebe too. hahaha…bloody hilarious these loosers.
@Fred – have to disagree mate. I believe articles by other people keep this blog fresh. Scott already posts articles from different angles,- a real feat to keep thinking them up – but there could easily be a sameness about the blog if it was only his perspective. And contributed articles still account for a very small portion of this blog
Anelka scores. Jammie cunt.
Never being one to jump on th bandwagon…… I’d interpret Jose’s actions as passion boiling over. You know, a bit like Rooney with the WFWFO outburst last year or Keano vs. Shearer, or Keano vs. Haaland, or The King leaping into the crowd to sort out that MF at Selhurst Park.
Where is it suddenly a bad characteristic to hate losing so much, especially to your biggest enemies? FFS – Sir Alex has raged on the touchlines over the years and stepped up, jabbing the finger at many an opponent with nothing but the fourth official separating him from a proper scrape.
Im not saying that I desperately want JM as the next manager, but he would be on my shortlist because if his passion and track record across the top leagues in Europe. Anyone condemning him for his ‘ego’ should ask themselves why he uses his personality this way? To take the focus and (therefore) pressure off his players. Brilliant management. Anyone condemning him for exploding in rage at small time tactics ( i.e. Ballboys) at Barca should look at some of our own examples above. That said, he is the manager and should be setting a better example.
Too soon to be considering ex-players. How many would have jumped for Keano before his time at Sunderland and Ipswich. Yeah, great player, loads of heart, pure United doesn’t unfortunately = great manager. Look at how Souness destroyed the dippers.
Anyway just wanted to bring some balance to the debate.
All Chelsea now.
Come on Albion!
Our hopes rely on Foster. WBA are as good as beaten then.
Red is the new black.
How many goals did Torres score today?
The drog on for the bitch.
I lay my fuckin wages on it that Citeh get him…It’s almost snuff to make u petrol bomb wastelands…..lol
Tunniccliffe just hit the post! Posh winning 6-1 agianst Ipswich. Ryan came on in the 62nd minute
Paul H — it may have been passion (or frustration) boiling over. But many a murderer and rapist has used those arguments too. It didn’t excuse them any more than it excuses JM. And I’ve always been one of his defenders, lol. But while I can understand (and even applaud) verbal tantrums, the eye-poke went too far. It was very dangerous. It was also carried out in a cowardly and sneaky way, and with some deliberation: he actually had to walk over to guy to get it done, and when he did it, it was from behind and with no warning. Sorry, but all those points render it indefensible in my book.
If he had lost his head and just lashed out his arm at whichever Barca player.coach was already within reach, well maybe then he could do the “I lost my mind” bit. I might — just might — have swallowed that.
And if he had walked up behind the guy, tapped him on the shoulder, waited until he turned around, squared up to him, and then socked him on the jaw, I wouldn’t accept it but I might — just maybe — agree that at least he handled like some sort of man.
But not like this.
The gesture against Guardiola’s assistant didn’t really rub me the wrong way. That may have been something in the heat of the moment. What was really Mourinho’s low point was this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCYqIwmVI1g
Imo that was classless.
@Costas
I’m inclined to agree with you there mate, it was probably a spur of the moment thing. I honestly think that he wouldn’t be so stupid as to do a pre-mediated attack on an opposing team’s staff, even if they are massive rivals.
Near a Barthez moment for Foster.
Costas, funny, I’m completely the opposite lol. Yeah, that was classless and crass, but ultimately harmless. Poking someone’s eye is a physical assault. Though it sounds funny (perhaps because of its association with the way girls fight), it is actually dangerous. It doesn’t take much to cause permanent damage, either through rupture, cuts from a nail or infection. And the manner of it was pure sneak. Just gutless. And I don’t buy the “heat of the moment’ thing — he had to walk some way to get it done.
Malouda scores.
Stuff of champions.
@Stateside Aussie
No denying that he shouldn’t have done it in the first place, but like I said, maybe he wasn’t thinking straight at the time. He saw the brawl and thought that the Barca assistant would assault one of his players. Like RJ said, I don’t imagine him doing in a cool and calculative manner. Personally, I do believe that you can lose your composure and walk towards someone. You don’t have to be sitting still. The other gesture really wasn’t harmless, but why would he resort to that in the first place. People here have speculated about what Fergie might or might not do in similar situations. Well, I could see Sir Alex getting involved in a fight amongst players (not with poke in the eye though, lol). But I could never see him disrespecting a player like that.
I’m sure that many ABU journalists will be plotting how best to taint Sir Alex by associating Mourinho’s sneaky, cowardly attack to our manager’s previous shows of affection and respect.
@Costas – thanks for the video, I hadn’t seen that before. What a juvenile twat Mourinho really is. That was just embarrassing. I really can’t think of any other manager behaving like this. Ironic that he once made some sly digs about Ronaldo being uneducated and having no class. Mourinho’s behaviour in that Super Cup match made him look like a complete guttersnipe. DO NOT WANT AT OLD TRAFFORD.
Costas, either way, or both ways, he has gone too far.
AUGUST 20, 2011 AT 17:51
StatesideAussie , Pep with a point to prove. I like it. Can he hold on 3,4 years? Send SAF a box of good Red and have a drink with him.
anyone see the chelski match?
John Terry and Cashley Arse-hole prove to be two of the biggest cunts in england. They bullied Odemwingie first by threatening him by grabbing his shirt, then a ruthless lunge.
Only 1 yellow card and odemwingie got booked for being a victim of the those 2 wet cunts. I loved it when Torres slapped Terry 2 years ago and when Valencia anal raped Cole last year.
Those cunts need to have their legs and dicks amputated, a pair of cunts don’t deserve to be classed: Men.
A box meaning bottles in the box not Fareza wine in a box….
Whether openly showing disrespect for a person is lower than sneakily backstabbing a person is moot, as both despicable actions clearly show that Mourinho is absolutely undesirable at Old Trafford. That said, I understand that each action may be considered differently. I see his sneaky eye-gouge as deserving of expulsion from football and persecution, and see his gesture to Messi as contemptible.
@Clint-iamyourpapii – I saw that, cole scissor tackled Odemwingie and the yellow was given the other way. Unbelievable…but then again, it is chelsea, so what can you expect. I remember when Drogba was the biggest cunt on that team, but now all the others have overtaken him, and he is actually pretty mild mannered:)
@stateside Aussie, true it was premeditated and a bit sneaky, but that’s the continental way! How many times do you see similar conduct on the pitch? Gattuso anyone? Not defending it, just bringing a little balance to an otherwise very one sided debate.
I’d at least interview him for the job and if he fell down for me, it wouldnt be for that incident, more for his lack of track record in developing youth.
Some folks on here really do hate him with a passion though. I can definitely see that. I’m sure he’d win the haters over eventually – just like the Glazers have.
(joking, of course)
Paul H … you’re right about ex-players (sadly). In fact, as a general rule in nearly all sports, great players do not make great managers. Jock Stein had a theory about that. He reckoned that having been great themselves, they find it too hard to relate to players who have less ability than they did. But good or ordinary players do know how to relate to others like them (which is most players), and they know what it’s like when you have to try that much harder all the time.
I think he was onto something. I have met artists who can distinguish shades of color that most other people can’t see. They’re not bullshitting or jerking off — they just see it. And they don’t understand what it’s like not to be able to see it. They can’t relate to that at all. It’s the same thing with great players, and that’s why they usually don’t make good managers.
Paul H – If “that’s the continental way”, it might be the reason that I feel “Personally, I hope that we keep our management British.”, which I stated at 11:32.
zibbie .. glad you clarified that about the wine box mate. Can’t see either of them enjoying Chateau d’Cardboard! Almost as nasty as Chateau ver de Floor.
Pep would be my number 1 choice. I can’t stand fucking tika-taka, but I don’t think he’d insist on that. But if he worked on our pressing game a bit, I wouldn’t object to that. Anyway, he’s a winner. He’s proven himself at the highest levels, though what a team and set-up he inherited. His transfers haven’t always gone well (Ibra, anyone). He seems committed to attacking football. He seems to have a certain level of personal integrity.
Those are the pluses. On the downside, he can leave tika-taka at home, and I never, ever want to see United turned into a bunch of diving, play-acting, cheating cunts like Barca.
Nice Morrissey reference at the end but I still believe it takes someone like Mourinho to be able to handle the pressure as Fergies replacement. Real Madrid is a big club but they have been stuck in place that is hard to come out of for a long time now. The pressure and expectations combined with Barcelona being in a phase that few clubs if any have enjoyed is the reason why not even Mourinho was able to sort them out.
Things change so fast in football but it is all about confidence and being in the right place at the right time and Mourinho has nothing of that at Real.
Visual acuity is a vast spectrum that include the understanding of a floating fractal triangle’s of advantage. At 5 years old I could pick up the rotation of the baseball. See if a picture is hung 1 cm off. There is better then 20/20 vision. Abilities to in a soft focus keep track of multiple moving objects. And responded to more then one at a time. Special agents can be taught to a point to see almost every thing when they walk into a room, how many windows, outlets, people and what they are doing, how many chairs objects around them ect. ect. And at the same time process this what is in front of them and run through possible scenarios. In sports they call it being in the zone, of in forum to a point. As people are moveing fast you see it in a slower motion, having time to think and let your body go and do what you have neurology programmed your mussels to do.
Surprised to read so many here are gutted that Chelsea beat Albion. How could they not?
Have we ever seen a worse defender than Jonas “chicken legs” Olsson trying to hold together a defence?
Not the game to hope they drop points but Stoke away a week ago was!
Sir Alex on MUTV:
“Maybe we’ll get Chicha a game in the Reserves. He’s now in full training with and we’ll look at him in a week’s time. He’s coming along fine and should be back in a couple of weeks. Fletch needs another game in the Reserves. He’s doing well in training , he’s got his physique back and is putting weight back on. He did okay on Monday but it was maybe not the best game as the lads took it as a nice friendly match. There was hardly any tackling in the match but he’s come through it and has been doing well in training. He’s not far away. He had a terrible time with that virus, although we got him on the bench at Wembley for the final. I don’t think he was 100% for it but I think he deserved to be there and sometimes, with subs, you can do these things. With Valencia, we wanted him playing on Monday, but he thought he needed another few days, which was understandable. He’s trained very, very well and will probably play on Thursday (for the Reserves)”
http://www.thebusbybabe.com/2011/8/20/2374496/javier-chicharito-hernandez-darren-fletcher-and-antonio-valencia-may
@smartalex, if a qualified Brit exists for the job, I’d agree….just don’t see it right now.
@stateside, Jock Stein was onto something with that theory I think – exactly Keane’s problem: no-one could ever be as good or committed as he, therefore he lost the dressing room. He might learn to deal with that flaw in the future and I’d never rule him out.
Why are you lot having a go at him just think he could do that to mancini and king kenny we would love that wouldnt we.
Paul H
If the only qualified choices available are cowardly sneaks, I’d much rather be led by an unqualified honourable man. However, I’m sure that we will find a suitable, qualified and honourable leader.
I’d have more respect for mourinho if he decked the man instead of gouging and running like a little bitch
@StatesideAussie: U ok? Im still under the weather here. Probaly need to ask @Zibbie for some pharma.
arse looked sad today. If that guy from mauritius is right then its good news. We know Fergie was interested in nasri,knew about his possible options as well.
I know many of u dun like nasri , but I trust Fergie. Anyway we will know by this coming week whats the actual reality.
Is Sneidjer pushiing for a move ?
@MG will let us know soon about his wage figures!
By the way ,Fergie and Bobby’s opinion on who becomes our next manager is the key.The suits have so far followed thier advice and trust them . The suits are not stupid,according to thier record,not perfect but they will let our Gill,Fergie,Bobby make that recommendation.
@smartalex: buddy, that mauritius guy is genuine or wum?
@Dave Malaysia: Hello my friend!
Ferane Mauritius is not a wum, he’s a genuine guy. The info that he has is not verified, at this stage it’s only a rumour. It does make sense that as Nasri can leave for free at the end of the season, he could well choose United. I expect that Arsenal will not win him any medals this year, and as that is what he wants, we would be a better choice, unless the Gunners make significant moves in the market either now or in January. I suspect that the ‘rumour’ is actually sensible conjecture.
I have heard the same logic applied in several quarters.
Graham Poll exposed to papers that Chelsea give the refs the best treatment and abroad its Barcelona and madrid.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1381729/Graham-Poll-reveals-secrets-footballs-dark-arts.html
Pretty old article but nice to see how certain things influence a ref.
HAVE WE BOUGHT ANY CUNT YET…..
Sneijder isn’t budging from the reported £2.50 drop in wages from £250,000
I hope you are well Dave M my good mate
@smartalex : Thks. good to know. U know what , I think on monday ,spurs are going to shoot ,to test DDG. And we know they have players who can shoot.
Hope Fergie gets the midfeild right, got to make it difficult for them,cannot give them time on the ball.
@MG: Hayley says hi!
maybe MG can make up the £2.50 in wages
Goodnight guys! Hayley’s sweet voice is calling me to bed.
Night Dave and I always share.
DM
Sorry mate Hayley doesn’t agree with you – click on MG to further your understanding.
Cheers Dave!
MG does she have any older sisters? wow what a babe.
Sept. 1st not far off now.
Monday seems so far away.
I like boobies.
Boobies like me.
Zibbie
That’s a good question – I’ll ask her later…
I watched my lady wash/scrub pans for 5 minutes the other day. I love how she wiggles when she scrubs real fast and hard. Her girly parts giggle and shake in such a way, I can’t take my eyes from her female form.
Cool see if she likes big cute Italian guys. Think a better looking Soprano guy. Who can dance. And I have a 10 inch tongue and can breath through my ears.
zibbie … at 20:07 … that wss quite profound, my friend. Ins port, I think there are just some people who “process” time and space differently to the rest of us. Spaces seem larger to them, and time moves more slowly. I had a beer with old (very old) ex semi-pro hockey player once. I was talking about how some athletes always seem to have all the time in the world, never seem rushed. And he said, “Yes, it’s because time moves slowly for them.”
@Dave … yes, mate, I am getting better and thanks for asking. I never did go to the doc, mainly because it’s almost impossible to get in with less than a few days notice, and I figured that by then I’d probably be OK. I was a bit off last Sunday. Monday, I lay in bed all day. Chills, sweats, dizzy, aching knees and calves. Tuesday was worse. Wednesday was a little better and I got up for a few hours in the afternon. I didn’t eat a single thing between Monday dinner and Wed dinner. Lots of water, vit C, some orange juice. Thursday morning I got up, but was tired in the afternoon and had gut aches. Yesterday I was fine, all the main symptoms gone, but gut aches got worse and lasted all day and night. No one place, just all over. Today, they are going. Man, horrible fucking week. Killed my earnings for the week, too. 8 bucks total, gross. wow.
I hope you haven’t got the same thing, pal!
Vision is only one aspect of sight. Memory based on programming of neurons through sound, linguistic ques and repetitive mussel movements. And the rest of your scenes smell, sound, touch. even taste will complete our visualized picture in our mind . Some believe time and space are one in the same. We see refracted light and call it sight. Radio and micro wave are not invisible to our optic orbs. There is much under the 100 micron size of our naked eye ability to see.
Very few can quit there mind to see what is presented in front of them. And respond to was is, not what one thinks, or anticipates it to be.
Everything in of it’s self is it’s self. An ever repeating pattern unavailing a different shape as in fractal geometry.
are invisible to our optic orbs, darn it.
Everything in of it self is it self
The Mourinho incident I thought was funny, he is a character but yes he is not the right man to replace the greatest. Monday night football is shit, hate waiting, get in to that Redknapp wasp. No doubt he’ll pull some dodgey deal outta the hat on final transfer day, so far he has been quiet.
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.
Get me Topper Harley!
What I hate most about the man is that he makes everything about him. Everyone always says “oh, he deflects attention away from his players so they can focus on the game”. That’s fine. But not in victory. I remember watching the Munich v Inter final, and aside from thinking that it should have been us playing in that game, I couldn’t help but notice the amount of times Jose bloody Mourinho was mentioned by the commentators, how the camera would pan to him after a goal, or after the whistle, and then how all the newspapers would just talk about him, him, him.
He once called out Wenger for having an obsession with him. Well, Mourinho has an obsession with himself, he has to take all the credit for absolutely everything.
And just for that, never mind all his panto villain antics which bring the game into disrepute, is enough of a reason why I would not want him as the next manager of Manchester United. To replace Sir Alex with this man would be an insult and a disgrace to his legacy. Sir Alex has taught his players and fans so often that no player or man is bigger than the club. And so why should the manager be?
Surrender, Yankee infidels!
You have no chance.
Take no shit!
The only reason Redknapp isn’t buying any players this year is they took his hand out of the cookie jar
Slim. Ha sorry mate. I misunderstood you regarding Dubai.
Fred. Yeah I posted early on this thread that scott aint done a new thread for some time. Not one of his own anyway.
Timbo. Belting post this aft pal. When that snide narcississtic cunt nutures and produces his own teams then I will take him seriously.
How the fuck did Cole escape with fuck all this aft? As for Terry what a piece of work that scum cunt is. The rentboys are fucking stale. Every close season they wax lyrical about how the youth will get a chance yet its same old same old. Chav fans silent till the second goal. How long before the media get on ladyboys case? This cunt has one fucking goal since jan yet fuck all said. He has been abysmal. He seems to get a free pass.
Was staggered at the amount of empty seats at the emirates today for a game of that magnitude.
working man can’t afford to go to the emirates
@King Eric
Yeah but most of them mate were closet Barca supporters and have accordingly fucked off with Cesc and adopted the Qatar Foundation shirt.
arsenal a joke they needed a spine to the team as well as holding on to fabregas and nasri
Anyone know if that fat meathead cunt sanchez has even pulled on the Barca shirt yet?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/20/manchester-united-david-de-gea-ferguson?
Good article on all things United, from Fergie.
It seems the mystery player we wanted in January, was Phil Jones.
MoYES!
I’d loved us to signed sanchez pure quality main man at last years world cup ,and best player in a piss poor seria a last year
@KIng Eric
I don’t think he has yet. He and Cesc will make a nice pair of benchwarmers.
MG. Hello mate. How are you? Yeah wouldn’t surpise me. Read an article in the guardian from yesterday and some journo clown caled davidlacey said Fabregas is THE best midfielder the prem has seen. What a fucking insult to Scholes and Keano. Fabregas the best yet has never turned up in a big game. Piss take.
When did that rentboy cunt Minto take over from Mark Bolton on Spanish football? I do not like Scott Minto.
King Eric, g’day mate, good post at 22:24. The fucking commentator (don’t know who) was full of excuses for the rentboys … “early in the season” and “better to start off a little rusty and build the pressure from there”. But when it’s us who has a slow start, we’re obviously fucked. Cunts.
MarkG … I posted about the arse the other day. They won’t make the top 4 this year, especially if they lose Nasri too. Be lucky to make the top 6, imo. Another year of this, they’ll be a mid-table team. And they’ll have Mr Wenger to thank for it. (Now I’ve said that, we better hammer the bastards!)
Costas. Exactly mate. Cheers.
Just watching spanish cup from wed and its embarrassing. What’s worse is the commentator for lauding mourinho as a genius for “daring“ to make subs at haltime. Wow. Well done. A left back and that immobile lump khedira. We dodged a bullet with fucking nonce Benzema.
No odds if we hammer them or not their on downward spiral who would you rather play van persie,arshavin and jenkinson at the emirates or viera adams henry at highbury . No point saving to buy a big stadium if you haven’t the players to play in it
Fuck off Ozil, bowling around giving it large. You can’t even last more than 70 mins before getting hauled off you lightweight alien looking cunt. Where the fuck did you summon up that extra energy from to start having a go at Barcelona’s players. And as for Mourinho……fuck off you horrible cunt.
@King Eric
Very well mate – hows your Dubai protocol going?
It looks like I’m the only cunt giving Arsenal a chance of making the top 4 this season.
I should take all you lads to the cleaners.
1 United
2 Arsenal
3/4 Chelsea/City
Fuck off you crass cunt: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2028371/Manchester-United-final-bid-Wesley-Sneijder.html
@King Eric – I noticed your comment about this being another article not written by Scott. Fair play. I’m glad to see that someone else has noticed that the amount of these contributed articles has been going up and the amount of articles by Scott going down. Bad news for the blog imho.
It would be something if RoM had a staff of writers who all put out quality stuff, but most of these guys just appear out of the blue and, personally, I think the quality of their articles isn’t up to Scott’s high standard.
still think SAF would have made a player of Benzema made a monkey of ferds and vidic away to Lyon but don’t need or wan’t him now
This is Ozil.
This is Berba
1 goal in 20 apperances. Fernando Torres take a bow son.
Pissed myself laughing at Heskey scoring, he looks exactly like the guy in the Premier Inn add.
I just imagined Chico having a Scouse accent. I felt like crying a little.
willierednut – And Gene Wilder is David Luiz.
torres just like svechenko yard of pace gone
Kings – Lol. He must certainly does.
This article is shit and the writer is hypocrite. Let’s start with Pique comment that was added to this article, so I take it Barca’s last year antics are helping Spanish football. Or how about Marcelo challenge? Barca is the one who started the melee. Challenge was a red card that Marcelo got but surely no need to react like someone was killed. To put it simply Barca team is as disgraceful as the next team, Pique’s comments are hypocritical, so is the writer of this article.
Next it’s all good to point at Mourin’s downsides, but nobody is perfect. Yes he has a dirty side, but people should understand how much under stress he is. Real need to win and they are facing Barca who schooled us twice in the last three years. He can’t afford long term re building at Real and if he needs to get down and dirty, then so be it. In the end I would prefer down and dirty caring and competent manager to a nice but full of shit one, like Wenger.
Another issue is Real’s style of play. Real has been playing a great brand of football under Mourin, case in point 5:4 aggregate loss to Barca. They scored 4 times against Barca in two games. Both games were close and that says a lot. But the author (hypocrite) didn’t even mentioned it. WTF?
The immaturity and band wagon attitude of united fans on this blog is disgusting. People should put some thoughts and see this article for what it is, a hypocritical piece of BS. It’s funny but I am not even a supporter of Mourin getting our job. The SAF is going to be around a while and who knows what happened during that time, but the unfairness and BS in this article should have been addresses.
Ozil
Had a dream
Benzema
Had a dream
Ronaldo
Had a dream
etc etc
Casillas said Madrid would have thrashed United in the CL final
The point I’m trying to make is they all have to live with Barca – and the fact is they can’t
At least we are trying to address the situation by creating a team to take them on
Madrid will never buy themselves that – long gone are the days that they could buy players like Messi Xavi Iniesta Pique – because they don’t need to move – the simple truth is Barca are better than Real and Real can’t live with it
What is more pressing is that at the moment Mourinho can’t live with it – their is a way to beat Barca – but Mourinho hasn’t found it – thing is if SAF was playing Barca so many times a year and every year on he’d have found it by now – in that respect maybe we shouldn’t be too harsh on ourselves no matter how much that CL loss still is.
I do bet though that the gaffer will have the last laugh before he retires. I know it – it’s destiny one way or the other.
I do agree with Stateside – I do think Guardiola may move to United because here he’d have assurances and power over everything – one has to say that even within the Barca circus he’s performed a miracle.
I also think that Barca on the field – when it gets tough represent the worst in Spanish football – that necessarily does not equate to the coach – more to do with the culture of the Spanish players I think.
I think that maybe Mourinho has finally met the wall that he cannot take down – but do remember when he was here United also put him in his place back in 06/07.
Yes he is a brilliant coach – but at what cost? Here we build players – we make them world class – and for that it simply means that Guardiola can do that because he has been doing that – but Mourinho can’t.
Mourinho may want the United job – but maybe just maybe their is another person that is better suited to it.
I personally have been a long time admirer of Mourinho – but it is apparent that Guardiola’s trust in youth has far more reaching consequences than anything out their apart from SAF at the moment.
In that respect what happens to OT after SAF will be more significant than the gaffer actually walking away.
The gaffer has one thing left to do and Guardiola knows it – we will hunt Barca down. And that may well be the end of the beginning of one chapter at OT and the beginning of the other – I just feel that in time this scenario could possibly collide and set the future for us out once and for all.
Guardiola would be a great choice once S.A.F retires (obv the longer he stays on the better). The problem with the “United Legend” approach is lack of evidence that is works in the modern era. If we want to stick with the policy of having managers for the long-term (and I for one do) -we are more likely to get that outcome with a proven top coach than by gambling on Ole or even Eric (tho it would be hard to argue if Eric has success in the next few years).
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/266244/Harry-Redknapp-Manchester-United-were-gifted-title?
Oh do shut up beef cake arry!
Fucking broken record.
lets stop talking about mouriniho now
We don’t need to appoint an ex player SAFwasn’t and neither was big RON
willie
No shit Sherlock Redknapp – it’s blindingly obvious we have to improve every year to keep our standards going
However they are not even playing CL football – so I am assuming that Arry is deflecting attention from his teams shitty status – that and after all this time they may be letting Modric go – fucking AM Bond comes on five live and says he isn’t going and Arry reckons he doesn’t know – ifs but maybes not sure – fucking hypocritical bastard.
Still one of the top 5 managers in the world. It’s unfair to call his madrid boring based on its style against barca. We engaged in our rather negative 4-5-1 to reach the champions league finals against barca a few years ago.
He’s a winner and he’s spirited. Take it or leave it just don’t try and muck it up in fake artistry.
I was saying this about 3 years ago when everyone was hyping up Mourinho to be our next boss. I said it then that he’s not for us, and now a lot of people are jumping on! 3 main reasons for me:
1) Style of football- as this article says, there’s a certain way of playing that’s expected here. We’re not Inter, who hadn’t won the European Cup for 40+ years (and have been known for defensive football anyway). Nor are we Chelsea, who hadn’t won the Legue for 50 years. We’re not even like Real, who haven’t been too successful in recent years. We can AFFORD to be picky about our next boss, coz chances are, Fergie will leave us near the top of the pile. So its not a case of “beggars can’t be choosers”- we pick a boss who can play the Utd way.
2) He’s a short term manager, and when SAF leaves, we need stability. We need someone prepared to stick around rather than winning a trophy and moving on after 2 years.
3) This is the most important thing…..he doesn’t give a toss about YOUTH DEVELOPMENT! That’s part of our club’s history, bringing through young players. If Jose’s our next boss, the players at Youth level may as well leave, coz he won’t care for them. I think it was Michael Mancienne who said that, for 2 years, Mourinho never went to a Resere game at Chelsea?
In any case, I don’t think we’re good for Mourinho’s ego. Coz he goes to clubs where he can become a hero. He takes over when they’re desperate for success, and when he wins tropies they love him up. At Utd, it’s like going out with a girl when you know that her ex boyfriend was one hell of a stud! Anyone that follows SAF will be forever in his shadow. Can Mourinho’s ego handle the fact that he’ll never be as loved as the previous boss? I doubt it- if he wants to come to England he should go to Liverpool. Imagine if he took over and won them the League in his first year. They’ve been craving that for 20+ years, he’ll be an instant hero! At Utd, it’ll be like: “Yeah, that’s all very well, but SAF won plenty of those mate!”
MG … good post, mate. While I don’t excuse his behavior, I do sympathize with Maureen to a certain extent. Sympathize is the wrong word — but you can disagree with someone’s actions, even though you understand the frustrations and motivations that drove them to act that way. I can understand what might drive a husband to lash out, even though I will never condone it.
Maureen’s problem is that his success or failure at RM can be measured and defined solely in terms of Barcelona. Beating the other 18 clubs doesn’t count, because that’s a given. They can do that without him. Coming second isn’t good enough — not if FCB are first, anyway. That’s a pretty tough pass/fail requirement — the *only* way he can succeed is by beating the best team of the current era.
But it’s actually worse. Because I do think he knows how to do it. He proved that with Inter. Barca were bitched, bolloxed and bewildered — especially in the second leg. So take a bow, Jose Mourinho: you, among all others, have found an almost sure-fire tactical plan for beating FCB, and you know how to implement it too, don’t you? Not many managers can say that.
Trouble is, there’s no way he can use that plan at the Virus. Because they would fire his ass — and he knows it. So now he has to come up with a second way to do it.
And I actually think he can. Real looked the better team, especially in the first cup match. I think it was 20 shots to 3? Too bad 18 of them missed. It must have driven him crazy to see that. FCB were more competitive in the second leg, but Real can still feel they had the better of it, but lost.
So I get all that. But I still can’t accept his behavior.
well said sparkz mouriniho no intrest in building a club I’d rather see the likes of Cleverley try or fail coming through. Saying that I love the big signings too who didn’t love it when we signed Veron for millons
Tut tut statside aussie did you not know we were not allowed to watch other matches . Little foreigners running around after one another.
hahaha. “Little foreigners running around after one another.” You mean the Premier League?
markg … still, you raise a good point, though perhaps without meaning to. Lot of people complaining about “maureen’s style” — I wonder if they actually watched those two matches? I think maybe they watched the highlights — you know, the basty fun bits — and just assumed the football was maureen’s usual drudge. But that wasn’t Inter out there, nor the rent boys. Not in my eyes, anyway.
oops, *nasty” fun bits ….
Nah I was bollosked the other day for saying if you weren’t intrested in barca real you wern’t intrested in football
Its ok making inter play shite football but how do you get ronaldo ozil etc to confirm
Stateside. Evening mate. Good to hear earlier you are feeling better. Yeah cunts mate. I can remember sitting on the coach after the west brom game when edwin made that rare error and the wankers on talksport like durham and collybore were saying we may as well scrap the league now and start afresh as the rentboys were gonna run away with it and have it sewn up by Christmas. Ignorant bastards. Look how that turned out. That cunt Cole should have walked today for that xything on the west brom player. Hate that scum club. Stale as fuck and won’t have the same fitness our young lads will have later in the season.
To be fair the way chelsea started last year they looked like the winners.thank god they didn’t trust Ancelotti seems like a gentleman would he be a bad replacement for SAF
@markg you must be such a fucking loser mate,don’t give me everyone has a right to thier opinion bollocks,coming on a utd thread and make the chelsea remark is nothing but a wind up.
Anyway i don’t buy foe one minute,you,captain cunt, redmeg,jasonpark are utd fans.
So save me the free speech bollocks,all of you are sad pathetic cunts and i’ll treat you as such.
Hate that club, dire fans, poor stadium. Ageing players, boring football etc.
At one point last season, the Rentboys were looking good to go on & win the league & they just faded away, wonder if it was due to their players being tired, Wilkins’ sacking or Drogba’s malaria. Or even all three?
Wayne I’m a true united through and through just saying the way chelsea started last year was common sense we’re not the best starters and don’t call me a loser or a cunt you definatly wouldn’t say it to my face so don ‘t hide behind a computer screen
MG –
That was a sizzling post, spicy aswell. SAF will beat Barca in a way they will respect us for decades for our never die resistance to their domination. SAF said “great teams come in cycles” ours was 2006-09. We went through a transition in 2009-11 without Ronaldo. Now with Valencia, Chico, Young, Nani, Cleverley, Welbeck, Rooney, Fletch, Vida, Smalling,jones, Twin and De Gea, we are soon to enter our own “cycle” where we will dominate.
SAF is always learning and improving. Our Revolutions & Evolutions for the last 25 years has been proof of his unquenchable thirst for sucess. We had our time 2006-09 and they’ll have theirs domestically and in Europe. But we are on the eve of something special. I can feel it. This feels the same as late 2005 and Late 95′.
UNITED TILL I DIE, Red Till I’m Cold Blooded But Never Blue.
For a while I would’ve liked to have seen him at OT but however entertaining he can be for the press and produce the odd funny quote his teams simply aren’t entertaining.
If you see any interviews with people from the club the philosophy dating back to Busby and beyond was that the fans have worked hard all week and match day is time to entertain them. Mourinho wouldn’t care about that.
I also think he gives opposition fans justification to dislike his clubs and hurts their reputations.
His treatment of youth players is also not ideally suited.
Even if he did become the manager, he would probably leave after a few years and go to manage Portugal which he said he wants to be his last job. But this would be a problem as well as the club would be searching again for a new manager and as he did with Inter would give no warning.
Wouldn’t mind seeing him on the Fifa ethics committee though.
With jones smalling evans twins cleverley nani valencia young chico rooney de gea pogba morrison tunnicliffe we’ll more than match barca in the next 3 years
Oh -MG
What I would do to have you on your back !
Caroline Flack
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I expected Wayne Rooney to be Captain of United by 26-27 years old, he’s 26 this october, but it seems like certain events and other experienced players have overtaken him in the pecking order.
On top of him Now and in the future are:
Rio,Evra,Fletch. Who knows he might get the armband for Monday, but i doubt it with Paddy around, the man says and does the right things consistantly.
I get choked up on cup final day when ‘Abide with Me’ is sung. I see men with their
kids in the crowd and I think of those guys years ago stood with their dads on the terrace. Abide with Me is sung to the ghosts drawn back by the wishes of the grown up kids – if only my dad could have seen this day….
The passion we have for this game, and this club, isn’t based or nurtured on trophies is it? It’s something much much deeper. It’s made of dreams and solidified by tradition, endorsed by the thousands of the old guys who’d put aside their money for the turnstile and their program, and a pint and a bag of crisps for the boy and show up for the game and the chance to watch something noble being created out on the field.
This is the stuff that Jose doesn’t get. The reason why he’d be one of my last choices to take the load from SAF. If I could conjur back my dad for sixty seconds it wouldn’t be to show him the trophies we’ve won since he’d been gone. No, I’d show him Nani’s goal against City – that marvelous, extravagant, sequence of passes that says so much about United now and the United sides through the years. Jose wouldn’t get it but my dad would, as would every guy who’d abide with me.
Great post Tonka
Tonka respect; Clint captains armbands for u12s
Tonka – legendary post fella
Markg No
clint you sound like harry enfield
willierednut – Saw that mate. Fuck off Arry you beetroot face cunt. Who the fuck are you to make comments like that? He spends most of his time acting as SKY’s mouthpiece and whoreing himself for a job there, especially when he was advertising the SKY’s fantasy football team with Jeff Stelling. If he spent more time fulfilling his duties for his club he might get somewhere with them. That fucking cunt always seems to have something to say for himself. He will always be a loser as far as I am concerned. You never see Fergie behaving in the way that he does. I hope we butcher them on Monday.
orez – ‘The immaturity and band wagon attitude of united fans on this blog is disgusting’. That’s your call pal. My dislike of him has nothing whatsoever to do with the article. I have despised that cunt ever since the Porto game at Old Trafford. With reference to your comments about him being under stress as Real are expected to win things…….boo fucking hoo. If he is that good he should be able to turn their fortunes around through good honest management, if he needs to resort to misdemeanours to achieve success then he is a weak pathetic man in my opinion. Fergie had a torrid time in his early days at United, but he never behaved in the same way that cunt has, he just got on with the job because he knew of his abilities, keeping in mind what he achieved in Scotland with the break up of the old firm monopoly. And as you mentioned, we have been beaten twice by Barcelona, but Fergie hasn’t resorted to the type of behaviour he has in an attempt to get one over on them. I am amazed that you should try and justify his behaviour. I agree that Barca are scum as well, with the way some of their players behave, but Mourinho is a bad man and he has history. Wherever he goes he courts controversy. The thought of that man at United, bringing that sort of atmosphere to the club makes me bring up bile. He is a fucking cunt and is not welcome at United.
Delightful post, Tonka. Made my morning.
Morning Kings.
I can’t make up my mind on the Mourinho issue. He acts like a classless prick more often than not, but the fact remains that he is the second best tactician in world football today. We certainly will win trophies under him, but would we want to, if it means putting up with a manager who has the maturity of a three year old?
Tht photo was photoshopped, mourinho. In English football is a genious. People tht dnt knw technoLogy n media need to talk leSs n focus on this season. Shit article uefa wldv chargd him harshly if it did happen.
dela – Morning mate.
People like him are happy to win at all costs, shitting on people along the way. He’s a fucking embarrassment as well. Not for me mate.
wayne at 1:40: Well said.
2nd best tactician my ass, he always has huge money at his disposal, he buys the obvious quality player’s everyone has heard of rather than unearthing a gem and developing the player
Maybe he gives the player’s more belief in themselves rather than any tactical brilliance, he buys expensively and should win, he has no excuses.
He’ll never join united anyway, sir alex will make sure of that.ical brilliance, he buys expensively and should win, he has no excuses.
He’ll never join united anyway, sir alex will make sure of that.
Why is it that nobody is pointing out dat Scott champions Jose as our next manager.i know d article wasnt from him,maybe he’s realizing what i have been saying all these while that UNITED is not a trophy-obessed club.we want to win,yes,but in a certain manner & not at all cost.Jose shouldnt come close to Old Trafford except as a visiting manager.Why is it that nobody is pointing out dat Scott champions Jose as our next manager.i know d article wasnt from him,maybe he’s realizing what i have been saying all these while that UNITED is not a trophy-obessed club.we want to win,yes,but in a certain manner & not at all cost.Jose shouldnt come close to Old Trafford except as a visiting manager.
Top post by Tonka Norris…… I have always said that supporting United should never be about winning trophies. Supporting United is a life style and a love affair.
I am having difficulty understanding why everybody thinks Pep is a better chocie than Ole.
Pep had been in-charge of the Barcelona B-Team for a whole year when he was handed the Barcelona post. In comparison, Ole has already been in-charge of our reserves for a whole 3 years where he has already been of importance for players like Cleverley, Welbeck, and the current crop also. In addition, he would’ve also been in-charge of Molde – who are currently top of the Norwaeign league – for a good 2 years at least. And I imagine he would be deputizing for Sir Alex in the near future. From the looks of Ole’s path as a manager, I am guessing Sir Alex already has some plan in mind for him.
On the one hand, you can Pep was handed the best footballing side in world football to work with. In the same vein, if this year’s rebuilding is anything to go by, Sir Alex’s successor will be handed a side with the right mix of youth and experience, in which many players will be peaking at just the right time for the new manager to work with. So, the rebuilding process for the newcomer will not start until at least a few years down the line.
Finally, whoever replaces Sir Alex will be in his shadow. It is as simple as that. Immediate success is not guaranteed whether it is Jose or Pep or a young manager. Even if a “name” manager takes over, he is going to have a hard time of it initially, just like a relatively unproven manager like Ole would. And with a “name” manager, long-term stability and his stay with us is not guaranteed; whereas with Ole, you get both – You get a manager who understands what the club is all about; who has already had success at the Reserves level for us; who would’ve had success at another league with a lower division side; who shares the same vision for the club like his great predecessors; who would have immediate respect from all his players because he is a legend with us.
For all the above reasons, I actually envision Ole replacing Sir Alex when the time comes. As I said, Sir Alex’s handling of Ole also shows that he has something in mind for the Baby-face assassin. I hope this happens, and I think it just might.
Morning lads,
There’s a lot of chat about a Nasri transfer this morning eh?
@Balaji Sivaraman
Never really thought of Ole being a serious contender, but you’re right, the successor NEEDS to know the United way, or the team will lose it’s magic if we’re not careful.
Regardless of whom replaces the great man at the top I just hope that we do not find ourselves with another Wilf McGuiness scenario…..
Couple of interesting facts for you guys………… Since 1945 i.e. 66 years ago United have had just 7 managers almost as many as Chelsea have had in the least 6 years…
Secondly, United have a better head to head record against all the teams in the English league… A stat that goes all the way back since the inception of the league in the 19th century… Pretty impressive eh?
( Source for the second stat can be found on soccerbase.com )
Just to add to my previous post: I always thought we were a club that prizes itself on giving youth a chance. So far, that formula of driving youth at all levels has proven to be successful. Very rarely has the gamble taken on youth been proven to be wrong. We are a club that would rather give a chance to Tom Cleverly and Danny Welbeck who have the heart and soul of the club in their blood, rather than pay top money for Sneijder and Nasri who wouldn’t put the pride of wearing the shirt first. We are already again witnessing the positives of that approach this season with the start we are having. Again, the gamble on youth is proving to be well-taken.
I ask you why should we not take the same gamble on a young manager when the time comes? Why should we not give someone like Ole a chance – someone who has cried on MUTV ackowledginng that this great club has done for; someone who would’ve personally been overseen by the greatest of them all; someone who, in an ideal scenario, would’ve been given the seal of approval by the master himself? Why do you feel the process will fail for us when it has been proven to be successful for Barcelona in the past 3 years?
And we are not even talking about a proper gamble here – as I said in my previous post Ole would have the necessary qualities to take over when the time is right – which it will be in another 3 or 4 years. I personally feel the gamble of betting on Ole would be well worth taking, instead of paying top money for someone like Pep or Jose. I mean, what is the worse that could happen with this team that we have and will have when he takes over. Sir Alex will be overseeing in an executive position no less. I don’t see any negatives to the situation really.
@CEDARSDEVIL …Or Dave Sexton ..lol!!! Or the Randy Tommy Doc!!!!!
SINGH7
Spot on, the reason I specifically mentioned McGuiness is because after 24 years at the top the club found it so difficult to replace the great Sir Matt and so kept him on as some sort of a football director if you like…. Poor old McGuiness found himself living in Sir Matt’s shadows and he was so intimidated that failure was a certainty. As for Dave and Tommy well! To be honest I never really warmed up to Big Ron either, him and his cigars! lol……….. Although I will forever be grateful to Ron for signing Robbo
O.K. I’m going to play devil’s advocate here and prepare myself for a shitstorm of abuse but hear me out before you go mental:
When SAF does eventually move on (and I hope he stays with us for another 25 years), whoever replaces him is going to be compared to the great man and lets face it nobody can come close to his god like status.(even our most bitter rivals whilst they will call him all the names under the sun will begrudgingly admit that he is the greatest, Most successful manager in the history of the game) therefore we will need to take on a manager that will take everybody’s hate and vitriol for not being a fit and proper replacement for Fergie. Who better to take all that shit than mourinho. We are going to go through a transitional period and the next manager whoever that is will only be with us for a short while and then we can get a manager in that will be compared to mourinho and not fergie therefore removing that extra pressure.
Its just like De Gea will get compared to VDS but if berthez, caroll or tiabi came in next then De Gea would be an Improvement.
These are just my thoughts and I am in no way an expert but maybe they are worth considering.
Now Bring On The ShitStorm
Actually, I can see Solskjaer at the helm. Deadly in the box and spent plenty of time (usually 70-90 minutes) on the bench watching the battle unfold and the master tactician at work.
Unflappable and rarely over-emotional, his main areas of development would be handling the media and the big dressing room egos.
He’d be well supported by the likes of Phelan and Meulensteen too…..definitely one for the shortlist
OMG Papii
What have you done to me on a Sunday morning?
Morning United!
‘Most successful men are often seen as cold-blooded and sometimes ruthless. Often they are misunderstood, for what the have is will power..’
Am quoting Napoleon Hill there.
And pardon me for playing Devil’s advocate as well, but like what Union Jack had said, it would take someone with extra sets of balls to be able to live in the shadow of the great great Sir Alex Ferguson – and I think, I think Maurinho has them. Management talents aside, I think it would take someone with extraordinary resolve to be able to cope with the pressure of filling the void left by SAF.
And to a daunting extend to step outside that shadow in bringing a whole new approach (shit, I will get sticks for this) to United, for what might work then might not be so effective now. (and of course am speaking hypothetically here)
But of course its not like I want no one but him at the helm, I think Moyes has all the traits to become successful at United too. Its just if its meant to be him, I think we should try to live and embrace the differences. Is all am saying.
Pls don’t crucify me for this.
Raizzen
KL
Tonka Norris – Thank you sir! A wonderful post at 2:48!
So i heard bale and the spurs team will be targeting de gea, well i’m not suprised. the spaniard will have to man up in this game and avoid being in the limelight in this match and if he was to be uing hope it’s for his great goalkeeping, i hope he steps up and put in a great performance.
Balaji – i agree, solksjaer potentially could be the ideal replacement when sir alex retires, he has united in his heart and blood, he knows the system seeing as he Has spent 11 years at united, will have gained invaluable experiences and knows how to work with young player’s which is important at united.
I think he does really well with molde then expect him to be in contention and if he was to be a united manager then he’d have that calm head on him.
Good day, all! Just read some posts expressing concern at the fact that are more non-Scott articles. Personally, I love the idea. At the end of the day, a blog is all about sharing ideas and content. I think it’s a very positive trend, and most of the articles are well written, besides the fact that it provides Scott a break!
As for Mourinho, I sort of liked him and wouldn’t have minded him, but his recent antics are too much, really! It all depends on the timing really, if you ask me. How much does Fergie still have in him, how best does Ole or Blanc (to take 2 names) shape up, etc. Not too much in favor of Guardiola. He’s managing a bloody one-off. Not well-rounded enough IMO.
MG….You got thing about fat blondes then…….
fucking hell our Hayley has porked up a bit aint she…. or is it the tele just making her look fat(ter)
No way JOSE
I AGREE NO WAY
couldn’t agree more, JM doesn’t have the mancunian DNA and survives on the ego and opportunism. On the same breathe moyes on the current evidence would never succeed at united,inspite of the small budget and all he needs to step up,teams have come up from lower divisions and done better than everton. My opinion for the next manager is blanc or ole.they are already proving themselves, i hate the tika taka style of peps team plus he inherited a team already set up to win by rijkaard. Any predictions on tomorrow’s game anyone?
@ raizzen
Thanks for the validation, glad to know im not alone in my thoughts. I’m sure Jose is not a long term replacement but I think he could take flak short term and do what he does best i.e. deflect attention from tha team as long as he doesn’t stay long enough to destroy the squad. He can produce results but he need unlimited funds and lets face facts that isn’t something he will get with the current custodians.
ahhh the stare of disgust from borat
“It should be fantastic, the best moments of your life [playing for England]” said Neville. “But there is no doubt that too many players spend too much time fearing the consequences of failure when they pull on an England shirt. “There’s no doubt that the FA mishandled managerial appointments, letting [Terry] Venables go too easily and appointing Glenn Hoddle and Steve McClaren before they were ready. Hoddle took over from Venables and it’s been said before: if only he had possessed the man-management skills to go with his undoubted football intelligence. He was a very good coach who wanted England to play the right way. He also believed in alternative methods, including Eileen Drewery, the faith healer, who’d visited the camp a few times before the World Cup. As a bit of a sceptic, I’d never gone to see her.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/21/gary-neville-england-glenn-hoddle
Morning. Fucking Mourinho hasn’t got balls. That’s a myth. A man with balls wouldn’t sneak up to someone and poke him in the eye then slink off quietly. The only reason he fronts the media is because he is a self serving prick. As I have said. When this bloke builds produces and nutures teams from youth then I will take him seriously. I would put my mortgage on it this arrogant cunt won’t be Fergies successor.
Tonka. Great post.
Kings. Morning mate. Spot on. That beetroot cunt has a fucking nerve. In what way were we lucky? You make your own luck. But for that offside drogba goal we would have won FIVE titles on the spin. As it turns out four out of five aint bad. For these reasons its high tine some of these nomarks showed us some fucking respect. We will turn Spurs over tomorrow night.
Yes, no doubt, the man with the moustache looks really creepy and shouldn’t be let anywhere near the family stand.
Mourinho doesn’t “deflect“ heat from his teams in the media. He simply likes be heard the egocentric wanker. Sorry but I personally find it ashtonishing that some fans wouldn’t him after Fergie.
”I regard myself as patriotic but, truth be told, playing for England was a bonus. Winning for my club was always the most important thing and given a straight choice of a European Cup with United or a European Championship with England, it’s United every time.”
Gary Nev.
United>England!
@ King Eric
Dont get me wrong, He wouldn’t be a permanant replacement. I call it the “Kelly Brook Factor”. When Denise Van Outen left the big breakfast she was a great presenter and worked well with Jonny Vaughan and she was difficult to replace. Kelly brook came in for a short while and was shit (even though its hard to see past her esthetic qualities) so when liza Tarbuck took over even though she was no denise van outen she was able to do a decent job and comparitably brilliant after Kelly.
proably an analogy that anybody under 35 or from anywhere but the UK wont understand but I hope it illustrates my point.
after dave sexton, tommy docherty and big ron even though SAF struggled at first he wasn’t being compared to Sir Matt’s success only the other managers’ failure therefore he was allowed to stay long enough to become the most successful manager ever.
p.s what the hell ghappened to sunday supplement
On the issue of SAF’s successor, calling names form fimbuktu to Australia is fine. Expecting them to stay for 10 years or longer is unrealistic. SAF had no idea he was going to last that long. Now that he has its a bit unfair to think the next man will get the same crack of it. Even Ole. He may want to stay long term but God forbid things don’t go well and we’re playing Uefa cup for 3-4 years. We’d be calling for his head. All i’d say is the process will evolve, i doubt we can get it “right” first time and most of all he must have United at heart and first in his head
Great article; spot on.
Win only in the United way.
Watched the FIFA Under 20 final last nihgt – keep a close eye on Danilo Periera the Portugese midfielder.
Big, strong, great passer. Like to see him in a red shirt
UNITED 20/4/12 – 2012
MG
Hayley has not porked up, all that whipped cream during her spell with me has took its toll, you can’t get through 2 cans of whipped cream a night for a fortnight in bed and not expect to pile it on. Plus we all like the cushioning for the rough rides.
Gotta love our Nev
Union Jack. Ha. Loved the big breakfast analogy. Kelly brook was shockingly bad but her breasts were well worth watching!
I noticed some on here recently saying hayley is a United fan. She isn’t. She is a Boro fan.
Ha ha. Leeds scum just missed a pen. Those racists bastards will go down this season.
Balaji … I think (and hope) Ole gets a look at the job one day. But Sir Alex himself has said that whoever takes over will need to be experienced at the top level. The club is in a very different situation than it was 25 years ago. YOu make some interesting comparisons between Pep and Ole. It’s true that when he got the job, Pep’s experience (and situation) was very similar to Ole’s: ex-player, much beloved by the club hierachy and fans, had coached the reserves the bit, no real senior coaching experience.
It is true that Pep inherited a team that was already very good and can’t really take the credit for having built it. However, it is also true that prior to Pep taking the reins, FCB were pretty much the bridesmaids of La Liga, as Real are now — the team that constantly comes second. The start of their great current era coincides exactly with Pep taking over. And while he didn’t build the team, he certainly fine-tuned it — getting rid of eight players immediately in his first summer (including Deco and Ronaldhino) and hiring a few choice replacements, including Alves and Pique. He also promoted Busquets into the first team.
This is not to say he’s *better* than Ole. That’s not the point. But it does illustrate that although he’s been in charge only a short while, Pep does have runs on the board. He has taken the team to that next level, so that now it’s Real who are the frustrated bridesmaids. He has shown his ability to man-manage, making crucial decisions about dumping key players and some smart purchases (one or two silly ones, too). And he’s proved himself pretty astute in other ways, too.
@Stateside, Exactly. And the point I was trying to make was that you would not have known how good Pep was in that role without having given him the chance. He was provided the opportunity and he grabbed it with both hands and transformed Barcelona into the beast they are today through a process of fine-tuning and refining as you pointed out. However, it also has to be noted that he did all this without having any top-level managerial experience.
In comparison, Ole will have a certain amount of experience of managing a club – definitely not as big as United but management is management at any level, the basic problems are the same. He would have worked with the youth at United and know the system inside out. I hope he would’ve spent some time deputizing for Sir Alex as well. In all likelihood, he will be in a better position than Pep was when he took over the reins.
The point I was trying to make was whoever takes over from Sir Alex will be in his shadow – whether it be Pep or Jose or Ole. So, why not give one of our own a chance like Barca did? So far, it hasn’t failed us, and we will do so again hoping that it won’t.
@slim, Of course, we cannot expect whoever takes over to spend as much time with us as Sir Alex did. But when Sir Alex took over, he was not expected to spend as much time as Sir Matt did. Yet, SAF was able to establish a greater legacy (if you don’t mind me saying) than Sir Matt. In all likelihood, if it clicks between club and manager, we may have another long stint in our hands. I certainly hope that would be the case, but I am not going to placing any bets on it for sure.
@King Eric
No one’s perfect mate. Not even Hayley.
Middlesbrough. That’s a club I haven’t heard off in a while. I wonder if Pofatetz is still there.
Stateside. Hello mate. Not convinced with pep in the market though. Chegrinsky. Ibrahimovic. Affelay. Sanchez probably won’t get much game time either. While Villa is a good player I don’t think he was needed and for large parts of the season he didn’t pull up any trees. I just don’t see him as United manager.
DHL is paying us 4m pounds per year to sponsor our trainings kit
Costas. Hello mate. I hope that cunt Pogatetz is retired due to an injury. Fucking thug.
I’d like Sir Alex to manage the club effectively for another 10 years, as by then Darren Fletcher will be ready to be our next great manager.
De Laet scored for Norwich
Cedars @ 9:12, I know your post wasn’t addressed to me or anyone in particular, but looking at Sir Alex’s handling of our senior players shows a conscious attempt at avoiding specifically the kind of scenario you pointed out. As soon as Ole retired, SAF recognized his potential in management and gave him a job with our reserves in which the former performed admirably. And when the chance to manage a club on his own came around, I heard it was Sir Alex again who had a big say in Ole choosing to leave United and join Molde. We can again see similar beginnings with Scholesy as well. Sir Alex clearly recognizes Paul’s potential as a master tactician and is beginning to bed him in as well.
Whether they will be ready by the time Sir Alex retires is anyone’s guess, but I certainly feel Ole will be. Even if they aren’t at that time, you can certainly see them being in a position to manage United in a long-term perspective. In a way Sir Alex reminds me of Albus Dumbledore (pardon me for my complementary Harry Potter reference) – making sure the things are in motion for United to be successful long after his retirement, with players who have United in their blood being made future manager-material. Whatever happens in the future, even then we will owe a great deal of debt to the great man.
No Pogatetz is playing for Hannover in the Bundesliga.
I don’t see Ole taking over form Fergie. Maybe as number 2, to a more experienced manager.
I’d hate to see Ole rushed into that appointment and didn’t work out for him.
Larent Blanc would be my choice now. Who knows what will happen in 3/4 years time.
Someone else might emerge out of know where.
“There have been times when I reflected on my international career and just thought: ‘Well that was a massive waste of time’.”
Gary Neville. Legend.
Walter Smith & assistant Ally Mcoist for United
or
Roy Keane & Assistant Neil Lennon
SmartAlex @ 14:05: “I’d like Sir Alex to manage the club effectively for another 10 years, as by then Darren Fletcher will be ready to be our next great manager.”
Agree about SAF = 10 years but why not 15-20 ? To me, it looks like Ole has been designated as “the successor” and a 5-10 year apprenticeship would make sense, too.
On another topic altogether – ahead of the Spurs match tomorrow – how is it that Gio Dos Santos can be so good for Mexico and get no respect ? He’s fast, slippery, AND left-footed. In the post-season CONCAAF tournament, he was Mexico’s best player – yep, even better than Chicharito who scored six or seven goals. Yet I just read in TheTelegraphOnline
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/8711657/Luka-Modric-the-key-as-Tottenham-stand-at-the-crossroads-in-their-quest-for-glory.html)
that he is considered surplus-to-requirements at Tottenham. It seems to me that this guy is a hidden gem. A better bet than Obertan ! AND, did I mention that he’s left-footed ?
On another off-topic issue, I still think that SAF has been lying-in-the-weeds for Modric but has had to wait for the Monday match to be completed. I’m probably wrong but it seems to make a lot of sense in terms of position, talent, wages, and EPL experience.
Cedars .. It took alot out of Mcguiness (he lost his hair over it) .. This job is not easy to come into especially after the Gaffer but I’m sure the heirarchy will have done their homework including consulting the man himself . I totally agree wiv u about big Ron . Grateful for him signing Robbo and Remi … A couple of possibilities Pep , Hitzfeilt, Blanc,Ole, even maybe the King if his Cosmos project kicks off (maybe not)….but defo not Maureen…
Get in Ritchie! Bring him back Sir Alex!
Zehl.really. Nice one de laet lad.
He owed Norwich that goal. He gave away the penalty last week.
willierednut – I am the next United manager. I will take over the reigns in 10 years time. Subject closed!
Kings – Ha ha. KE as your number 2?
King Eric – Yeah really. I hate this utter cunt.
Great post Tonka – respect.
What’s such the big deal about Hayley McQueen? Give me Georgie Thompson over her anyday.
That twat Pogatez fucked Possebon up, who IMO would’ve been a decent player if it wasn’t for that wanker.
Guys, what do you think of Bale?
Rafael marked him out of it at OT last season but he was pretty quality for 2-3 months.
Would you prefer him over Nani or would you prefer Nani over Bale?
willierednut – Yep KE as number 2. There are more roles available, but these are open to discussion nearer the time.
you’ve gotta feel sorry for micky phelan, after years being SAF’s number 2 nobody dreams of even considering him as a possible replacement
Nani over Bale(monkey boy) every day of the week.
I’m biased, but there it is!
Can I be the head of Kings’ medical team? There’s no way I can do a worse job than the current set up.
Neil’s_a_Red, Georgie for me any day also. The mere thought of her in the Sky box gives me a solid boner, if not more. Mmmm…
I hope you weren’t kidding with the last question, but Nani eats Bale for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Bale is a good, if not great player, but nowhere near Nani’s level. He is over-rated half the time by the British media because of his performance against Inter in the CL. He hasn’t done much of anything apart from that. Hell, I’d take Young over that guy any day of the week.
Balaji … the interesting thing with Ole will be whether Sir Alex brings him back as a deputy before he himself retires. If he does, that would be a clear sign. But although their situations were the same, I still say Pep has proved he can go to the next level, whereas Ole hasn’t. That doesn’t mean Ole can’t. And sure, he hasn’t had the opportunity. But it’s that old thing about “potential” again. It’s impossible to know in advance if someone will be able to convert their potential into reality. Pep (who was given the opportunity) has shown that he can. Ole hasn’t had yet had the opprtunity, so we don’t yet know if he can or can’t. Like it or not, there’s an insane amount of pressure that goes with managing a club like United — or Barcelona.
King Eric … Yeah, I did note his transfer dealings haven’t always gone well. Is he what United need? I don’t know. I’d rather have him than JM though.
In the end, this decision will be made “upstairs”, and the influences on that decision may be very different depending on whether the club is still private (and in whose hands?) or whether it is listed. If the club’s ownership model is unchanged from now, I’d expect the Glazers to take a fair measure of input from our Two Knights, Sir Bobby and Sir Alex. The final decisions will be theirs, though, and I honestly can’t see them agreeing to a bolter from left field. I am sure they’ll want someone whose record suggests he has a good chance of keeping us in Europe, for example. While Sir Alex has emphasized repeatedly that his successor will need to be given time, I truly believe the Glazers would not want to risk an extended break (say more than one season) out of Europe.
If the company is listed, the pressures become very different, however — even if the Glazers retain control with their 70% shareholding. Because even with absolutel control, they cannot ignore the interests of the minority shareholders, who will mainly be large institutions. Legally, they can ignore them. But in practice, you don’t want to piss off those guys. And for the Glazers themselves, owning 70% of the stock on a listed company is very different to owning 100% of a private company. When you own a private company, “value” is somewhat subjective, and not entirely relevant day-to-day (accept for accounting and tax reporting). But in a public company, value is out there for everyone to see: the share price. And no one likes to see their share price take a hammering.
Especially if you’ve used those shares as collateral for other loans (a scenario we haven’t discussed, by the way, but one that definitely exists).
So if the club is public by then, I think the appointment will almost certainly have to be a big name. And there aren’t many of them. I also think that if we’re public, there’ll be a lot of pressure for the new manager to prove himself right away, so that’s something else to dislike too.
Neil’s_a_Red – I hope Pogatetz has a nasty injury coming his way for what he did to Possebon. Bale only had two good games last season mate, both against Inter, he done fuck all else last season. I would take Nani over that ape like cunt every time. Nani is top drawer.
Costas – Application noted my friend.
“Hippocrates of Cos is an ancient Greek physician, and is considered one of the most outstanding figures in the history of medicine. He is referred to as the father of Western medicine in recognition of his lasting contributions to the field as the founder of the Hippocratic School of medicine.”
Yeah Costas, you’ll do fine!
I think Pep will end up at Arsenal. yhihf
Pep and Ole could make a good team. It’d be a unique position because pep – theoretically speaking would know that there’s a United Legend behind him, either way we’d be on solid ground. Much like the GK position at the club now.
A bit unfair to say a manager has to manage a lower(pe/mou) team to prove his worth or for that matter manage a more established team(moyes,ole). Its like saying Giggs or Scholes isn’t world class because he only played for Untied.
I was thinking about Deschamps as the new United manager.
Was watching the Chelsea – WBA game yesterday & don’t know why Chelsea are after Modric. IMO no way will Chelsea suit him. Chelsea are so predictable most of their goals are tap-ins which come from crosses to the far post that get a lucky touch of an opposition player.
denton davey – SAF may feel like a new challenge in 10 years time!
Giovanni Dos Santos is a great player. Tottenham bought the lad from Barca and the only reason they sold him was that him and Messi play the same postions and basically they had to make a choice between one or the other. Gio can play on the right and left and behind the striker and is crazy good at dribbling and passing.
Spurs haven;t really given him a chance because i think they doubt his consistancy in the premier league and whether he can handle it.Arry Redknapp said Dos Santos goes clubbing to much and is often late to training but has a future at spurs once he shows commitment to his professional career.
The trio of Chico, Dos Santos & Guardado are immense for mexico’s national team, very entertaining and I loved watching the trio in the World Cup and Gold Cup.
GNev says that “Playing for England was (sometimes) a waste of time” … Very frank and to the point comments by Gary Neville. Some of the things that were mentioned here in the blog yesterday. Wonder if RedNev reads RoM
Read for complete article.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14607562.stm
Bale – We Will Target De Gea
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_7115724,00.html
He must think De Gea is Heurlhoe Gomes, fucking tosser, he can’t even target a run of 3 games consecutively without being stretchered off with a hurt leg. Move on chimp, your no Sir Ryan Giggs.
Tottenham should of sold him to Chelsea for £40m when they had the chance because just like Fabregas the only way is down now that his valuation has peaked.
@Balaji I definitely agree with what you said about Georgie haha.
Bale is a decent player, but I would pick Nani aswell. Bale is overrated. Plus I think all his goals vs Inter were all identical. I remember when Bale was playing decent & I remeber some people wanking themselves over the thought of him being Giggsy’s replacement.
Let me laugh to my hearts content those that try to humiliate my Hayely
She’s all mine and everyone is just well jealous
And all these delusions that she’s always somewhere else apart from with me
Papii – Do agree about the cushioning bit
And Gary Neville – spot on Captain – England waste of time TM
Something some of us have known for a long time.
charlotte Jackson above both hayley mcqueen & georgie thompson
click name to check if I’m right
Megan shites all over Haley and Georgie!
Not literally, by the way.
I’ve said this a million times: Moureen is an absolute piece of shit with no respect for any club he has worked at. Spends all his time talking about his next club. Cock of the highest order, doesn’t deserve to even clean the bogs at O.T. If the unthinkable happens and he does end up at united I will have to think long and hard about if I want to continue attending matches.
Ha. Bale isn’t in the same league as Nani. Nani is quicker with the ball. Has more tricks. Can beat three or four men with ease. Nani is booth footed. Scores many more goals and assists. No comparison.
Methinks speculation about Sir Alex Ferguson’s successor is a tad premature.
My old lady is 72years old, smokes filthy cheap cigarettes, mows her own lawn (under South Africa’s midday sun), paints (as in walls .. not pictures) and still fancies herself as a plumber and a mechanic. On top of all this she wakes up at 6:00am every day, goes to bed very late, and in conversation usually makes sense.
I don’t see any sign of Sir Alex Ferguson retiring any time soon. I see no evidence of dementia. I actually think he plans to hang around for quite a looooooong while.
Ravel Morrison Compilation -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qFeyUzHfac
The lad scored a beauty against the scouse scum, Love him just for that.
The boy has a very unique technique, great with both feet and has incredible vision. He seems like a players straight from the 80-early 90′s. I like his style. But he needs to get his life together and the rest will come together by itself.
Pogba looks like he’s matured quicker than Tunni or Ravel so I look foward to seeing him play a few games this year. Pogba was worth the trouble United went through. He looks like he can become our Vieira or Yaya Toure in the next decade.
Megan shitting all over Hayley and Georgie….fucking hell …would pay to see that…..
And baggsy it’s me with the wet wipes……
and a gas mask…….
Charlotte Jackson’s decent, but Georgie > Charlotte.
Which ones Megan?
http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/872967-roberto-mancini-floored-by-pablo-zabaleta-as-manchester-city-get-physical#ixzz1VapbvZe4
Bobby Mankini floored by “hardman” Zabaleta.
Reminded me of the time when Stevie Me deliberately charged into Avram Grant and put the toad on the ground head first. Cuntish action but hilarious.
A big family day, I have a niece celebrating her 14 D-Day and much to do for a big Lunch for 22.
Wolves look good. Lot’s to read maybe tonight.
D-Day Freudian type-OHHHH shit she is so cute, starting to get her boobies and look different. Boy’s calling her now. Oh well just might have to kill a 15 year old this year.
Troy – Is your old lady available to do general maintenance and garden service?
Go Bolton!!!!!!!
AC called, they want their bloody kit back.
Bolton-Shitty Game looks very entertaining….bolton are beastly & I like the look of Chris Eagle – Always thought he was good enough for mid table.
smartalex – cheeky
Aguerro just missed a sitter
gotta go before i find out the scores. MOTD is rubbish when you know the results
The guy in the background looks like the love child of Borat and Saddam Hussein.
Wayne Rooney scored 14 in 26 appearances over the second half of last season.
Im tipping him for 25+ goals this year.
Bet Jussi gets no stick for that shambolic keeping. Fucking hate city. Why the fuck do they sing “we are not really here“. Obviously the inbreds form of irony but it makes no sense. The media and bitters will be intolerable if they win today. A looooong way to go yet. Silva is the difference for them.
Silvas goal was so bad you’d believe the keeper received a big envelope.
Please Bolton, play football! Don’t make them look good.
Fuck sake. Barry the cunt. Bolton taking it up the shitter. Thought cahill was supposed to be a player. He is at Bolon for a reason.
2:1 I was about to say Shity are done, but Klasnic scored. There is still life in Bolton
0-2 That’s it. Why don’t they try yo beat City? It’s like they don’t even try to win the ball. No need for this kind of respect. Just beat the cunts!
When mid table teams meet United they give everything. So why this respect for the whores and cunts of City??
Pick that out Hart you posh prick.
Dzeko is absolute fucking gash. What the fuck is wilkins on about saying this city side will pass you off the pitch? Getting far too much ott credit.
Ok, that’s better. 1-2 is more encoraging than 0-1.
A midfield of players like Barry, Milner and that sunofabitch Toure should not be able to controll anything but too much money.
@King Eric
to be fair he has looked alright. ott praise is to be expected however. Durham was saying they were better than Barcelona after beating Swansea.so there you go. a lot of people are desperate for city to succeed after the 2 London giants have not quite hit the high notes
I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Shity look formidable. They have been controlling most of the game against a good Bolton side away. From our rivals they impressed me the most. Dzeko’s movement has been great and if it wasn’t for a bad miss he would have an assist.
It’s all good to hate a rival, but to delude yourself about them will not bring you joy and will increase the pain. I dislike them as any other red, but they do look like real contenders and let’s not forget their bench. I hope they fell miserably and crash and burn.
I wonder if Trollez will come into the game.
@Orez
It looks like Bolton is rolling over. I don’t get it. City is over hyped.
1-3 and Dzeko is given a free way to goal. Even I had score there.
This Bolton side really is bad.
Well fuck this shit. Sometimes I hate when I am right.
@ The team that wouldn’t die says:
I don’t think so. I think that any team played harder against us, but I wouldn’t say Bolton is rolling over
What’s going on with the lack of posts on this site. All we are left to view is the arguing and opinions of some sad idiots that spend their life sat talking to people over the Internet. Get out more guys and stop posting your drivel and then maybe we will get some new posts on this blog! Peace
Got to agree with Orez – I hate City as much as any other Red, but they do look half decent. It is still to be seen if they can sustain themselves over the season, but they do look contenders…Just suck up the fact that they are contenders (probably more so than anyone else) and accept the damn challenge! I would love to see them go down in smokes, but to fail to acknowledge that they look good when they do will take nothing away from the love for your own club.
Up to us to match City’s perfect start guys. Didn’t watch the game, so I don’t know how good or bad Bolton were. However, we have to make sure that we win more away games this season. It will be hard to win 18 out of 19 at OT again imo, so we have to make up for that on the road.
correction – “to acknowledge that they look good when they do will take nothing away from the love for your own club.” Or the belief, I might add, that we will always keep ourselves that one or two steps ahead no matter what City or anyone else throw at us…
KingEric @ 16:35: “Bet Jussi gets no stick for that shambolic keeping.”
Or for the third one which was rather similar to Edwin’s “mistake” v. Barcelona in Rome that was the subject of endless tirades.
One law for UTD, another one for the rest. Always the same drivel.
Orez @ 16:54: “It’s all good to hate a rival, but to delude yourself about them will not bring you joy and will increase the pain. I dislike them as any other red, but they do look like real contenders and let’s not forget their bench. I hope they fell miserably and crash and burn.”
I really like the passion in that third sentence – coming after two quite sensible and even-handed ones assessing our noisy neighbours.
Once a red…..
Orez. Why should we praise them. They have spent fortunes. I fucking detest the cunts so they will gety no praise from me. Formidable my fucking arse. Bolton are taking it up the shitter. Our boys showed them what formidable is two weeks ago. You can rest assured Bolton will play much better when we rock up at the reebok. Its a marathon not a sprint. I remember every cunt waxing lyrical about chelsea after their start last year. Just wait till the bickering starts. No mate they will get fuck all praise off me.
On the bright side, when we win our 20th it will be because we were that good – no more of the abu nonsense that was being spouted last season about the competition just not being there..This is a challenge, have no doubts, and it will be up to our club to show we’re up to like we have been numerous times before.
2-3 now, Bolton still possibly in this! Davies scored with a header
@denton davey says:
It’s only logical. VDS or De Gea are playing for the best club in the world and their mistakes affect big games. Jussi is a journeyman (no disrespect) keeper who plays for mid-table team…
Fuck yeh Davis makes it 2:3. The guy is a cunt though, but still keep it up
As I said formidable my arse. Get in kev lad. There is ages to go yet and yes they look decent enough but its a long old season. Bolton have been shit.
Denton. Spot on mate.
got 2 laugh just watching sky sports news that goon owen wanking citeh off saying how there dominating and bang bolton pull one back
remember last season chelsea had it won in august didnt work out that way 19
Trollez is warming up now….
Come on Bolton!!! What we have and City probably don’t is the collective bottle to take games such as these and bury them! I firmly believe that we still have that X factor that noone else posseses and money can’t buy!
Androo. Oooh. Get you. The reason folk are talking on here is for that reason. No new threads. How does people talking on here prevent new posts beuing written mate?
@King Eric says:
I am not saying that we should praise them, I am just saying that deluding their power is counterproductive. Also Bolton scoring twice showing their fight. They do try and they are a decent team.
@ Mahesh “Just suck up the fact that they are contenders (probably more so than anyone else) and accept the damn challenge! ” couldn’t have put it better man.
Scan. Hey up pal. You well? Posted exactly same thing ten min since. Every cunt thought chelsea would piss the league aftertheir start and they were winning five and six nil. Anyway they look tired now. Too fucking buff all of them. Richards and toure look like they could burst if they get any bigger. Anyway fergie loves a challenge. Bring it on bitters. The one thing United have is that magic dust. A special team and always have been.
as long as another team is stealing the headlines then I am happy, be it the bitters, dippers or any other team.. All that while we go about our business quietly
Orez. Fair enough mate. I just don’t think they are good enough to sustain a challenge over the full season especially with their european cup exploits. Mancini will revert to type when it gets tighter and go defensive. They don’t have the team spirit and winning mentality United have. Silva has proved me wrong. He is their player by a distance. I wouldn’t pay th likes of milner barry dzeko lescott toure balotelli in fucking washers. At least they will provide a challenge which is more than I can say for the rentboys arsenal and the dippers.
Fuck off tyler you arse licking abu cunt.
Stuff of champions by City.
Kidding aside, someone’s going to challenge us eventually this season. On current evidence, my money would be on Liverpool and City.
Way too early to speculate on who will be genuine contenders for the title… We all remember the start Chelsea had last season and of course how they later collapsed……… In my opinion we will have a good picture towards the end of November as to who will be in the mix.
@King Eric says:
That’s my hope to be honest. Mancini will go back to his defensive ways and that should kill they chances. I also think that we are the team to bit. but as someone already mentioned we need to up our game. I don’t think we will be able to win it with last year’s away form. SAF says that the point total is 84 or something like that, but I am not sure.
Can’t wait for our game. We do play good against spurs, but no Vidic and Rio it’s a little worrying. I think this year it will be very important to starts good.
Bolton played bad today. Dzeko and Silva goals were gifts.
To add to that city played with 10 men (I don@t count the “abilities” of Milner as a +).
We have to win the league playing best all season as no team will roll half over as Bolton did today against us. That keeper should be ashamed. Imagine De Gae doing a blunder like that?
Just waitfor Balotelli and Tevez to say something stupid real soon.
why oh why is city the point of discussion? duh they are a good side. whoever did not realise that last yr are just kiddibg themselves. let them win 50-0 as long as we do the business and beat them twice this season we will be alright. cleverley should be given the start again tomorrow and berbatov as well. hes had more than enough rest. hopefully our defence does a superb job tomorrow and hopefully we win. COME ON UNITED
I watched the whole game. This Bolton isn’t the same as the one that caused so much trouble to us last season. I may be biased but credit doesn’t go to City either. Bolton lacked creativity and was pretty much clueless. They defensive was woeful, their midfield was very unorganized. I don’t know if it was the pitch or something but most of the time their first touch was awful.
And yet they managed to score 2 goals.
First city goal was goalie’s fault. It reminds me so much of De Gea’s blunder but everyone seemed cool with it. See how bias everyone is (including the commentators) when it comes to United?
@The team that wouldn’t die says:
Once more you are comparing the keeper for Man Utd “best team in the world” to Journeyman keeper from mid-table team. The problem isn’t that Man Utd is treated unfairly, the problem is that De Gea is treated unfairly. They can’t judge the guy on two games. He is a long term replacement and SAF & Co. will work on him and will make him into a great keeper.
We should all accept that anything united will be 10 times more important then in any other teams. All other teams don’t matter as much as United (no disrespect to other teams). Jurnos print what matters. This has good sides (brings more fans and money) and bad sides (all negative stuff is over exaggerated)
City will challenge United this season. Silva looks a class apart. I was one of the nay sayers, that didn’t think he would make it in England. Aguero missed 2 sitters. Dzeko looked decent for once. I would question Bolton’s keeper on all 3 goals. Early doors yet. Fancy us to duff the spuds tomorrow.
It will be us, Chelsea and Shitty. One will drop away come december squeaky bum time. Then it will be a 2 horse race till March, then the december drop out will catch up for a 3 horse race. When the finish line is in sight, the december drop out will gain momentum with the league leaders and the team that was in the race till early april will collapse leading to a unexpected 2 horse race again. At this point United will grab enough points to lift our 20th with around 80 points.
De Gae
Smalling Jones Evans Evra
Nani Cleverley Anderson Young
Rooney Berbatov
…should be the team, but it’s always impossible to predict SAFs choice.
He tends to like a fast forward alongside Rooney, and that excludes Berbatov.
And he’s more found of Carrick than most suporters, so I will not be surprised if he’s in the line up.
De Gae
Smalling Jones Evans Evra
Nani Cleverley Anderson Young
Rooney Berbatov
…should be the team, but it’s always impossible to predict SAFs choice.
He tends to like a fast forward alongside Rooney, and that excludes Berbatov.
And he’s more found of Carrick than most suporters, so I will not be surprised if he’s in the line up.
I need some news about our team, some good news would be splendid. I am taking a work buddy with me on lunch to watch our game. It will be the first United game he would be watching.
Cleverley should start, but we all need to be patient with him. I would hate if everyone gets against him when he has a bad game. I am not sure about Berba though. Yep I said it. Call me “band wagoner” or whatever, but I think he decreases the speed of our game. Our whole team is built on quick counter and overwhelming the opposition. It’s hard to do it when the center piece slows down the game and gives opposition time to regroup. This is just my opinion, but I would rather see Welbeck for now, until Chicha is back. I think that Evra would play and Fabio should be RB, not sure who would be in CD. Evans and Smalling I think.
city are not a great side and won’t last. They won’t win enough games.
Fuck them anyway, all they’re good for is a laugh
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Moving on, here’s a very enjoyable 2½ minute Pogba video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgyBOwbiTPY&feature=player_embedded#!
Morning reds,see the rumors have started again,WS misses training for personal reasons and not named in inter’s squad,nasri/city deal broken down starting the rumors utd are interested again
… and a hearty Canadian good morning to you wayne!
Alot of teams look good this time of year,when the weather and pitchs turn,the games start piling up,injuries, it becomes a grind,that’s when it counts every year.
We need a new thread ! There plenty to report.
- United vs Spurs Preview
- Red Nev proves to be great pundit —-shoves englands hopes in shit
- SAF puts faith in youth – feels like 95.
- Transfers: Do we need to strengthen certain postions? ( defence etc)
- De Gea, Jones, Fabio, Smallings, Evans are thrown into fire – Time to shine
C’mon Scotty to Hotty get us off Rob’s thread and on to yours, we wanna hear from you
morning smartalex hope you’re well mate.Hate monday games seems to make things drag
hello king eric
sorry mate darting in and out flat out sorting me new gaff out keep the missus happy so i can park me arse tomorrow night should be nicely in credit for when i head up for games
hope your well mate
as for citeh 4 me they will be our biggest challengers this year fuck me they should be with the pennies theyve spent expect sky 2 have a wank a thon over there start there a gd side some quality players
but lets see how it all pans out every faith in SAF and the boys
Papii – Second you there! New thread. How about, Wesley Sneijder, is he all that?
wayne, I’m very well, thanks! I trust that you are too. This week has taken forever to pass!
25 hours to kick-off, come on United!
@willie no doubting WS is quality just a matter of weighing up the pros and cons,would he significantly improve the team to justify overall what a 4 yr deal will cost,with depreation 17mill a yr.
Would WS make the difference to utd winning or not winning the prem or cl.if the answer is yes that would cover the cost of his contract.
Fucking Citeh fans have already forgotten what they were saying about their team after the Community Shield. They’re ready to take on Barca now. Wins over Swansea and Bolton and suddenly they’re fucking legendary. The comedy never ceases with them.
On another note, looks like I need to come up with a new moniker. Can I trademark “Neil” on this site? Haha. Fucking hate waiting a week for a game, excruciating.
Neil – Fickle fans of a fickle club buddy…. Wait till they lose a game then they will be after Mancini’s head again….
I agree with most, we need a new thread, how about one to discuss why Cedars loves Cedars so much?
Wayne – I think if he was 3/4 years younger, the deal would be done already. Wages seem to be the sticking point, but if United signed him, and we win another champions league, the money could be justified.
There’s just no value in the market, let’s wait for the Barca team to get old and retire before we win the next champion league title
Some of you might disagree, but despite Chelsea being poor their first two games, I think they will end up being our main challengers for the title this season. I can see Torres scoring some goals this season. If that does happen Chelsea will improve.
Hope Scott puts up a new arcticle soon (written by him of course.) I’m pretty tired of talking about that idiot Mourinho. I think most of us agree we don’t want him at United. Let’s leave it at that.
http://www.sportsvibe.co.uk/news/football/ferguson-considers-cut-price-move-for-everton-midfield-starlet-10187/
for the wee Jack clique which has the same amount of followers as cedars loves cedars clique
Mata? he ain’t even a chelsea kind of player, i’d have thought he’d go to arsenal but he’ll probably give the blue wankers that extra spark in the final third and guess torres will finally have a friend.
I’ve never doubted chelsea’s ability as contenders, they can grind and win matches, always a threat alongside city because of the money.
wayne – lol
Seriously though I cannot see wee Jack at OT, the kid is over hyped
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/nationworld/sns-rt-ouksp-uk-soccer-fratre77k23u-20110821,0,78025.story
for all those in the denton hates berba clique
TheRadLegion @ 18:07: “This Bolton isn’t the same as the one that caused so much trouble to us last season. I may be biased but credit doesn’t go to City either. Bolton lacked creativity and was pretty much clueless.”
Well, yeah, they’re missing Johan Elmander, Daniel Sturridge, the Korean guy, and Stuart Holden – four out their six first-choice forwards. And, Bolton is a have-not team with a thread-bare squad so it’s no surprise that they lack creativity. Kevin Davies is a terrific role-player on that team and Gary Cahill’s athleticism is exceptional – but what can you say about Zat Knight who is a constant disaster-waiting-to-happen ?
Who isn’t over hyped these days ffs!
The Berb staying then?
@Cedars,willie and Costas formed that the other night,when it comes to transfers i don’t watch opposing players enough to pass a judgement,figure any player utd sign[except for bebe] gets well looked at by people getting paid big money to make those calls,alot didn’t fancy young but so far looks the part and can only get better. utds staff look at what the player can become not what he is now.
Bolton were up against the Barcelona of England!
Off Topic : De Laet scored n kept K. Jones in His Pocket agnst Stoke…………..
I am not over hyped, I am simply brilliant.
wayne – Loved that article on Berba, so in other words Sir Alex told PSG to fuck off!
Wayne @ 20:20: “for all those in the denton hates berba clique”
Thanks for providing the link to the Orlando Sentinel – I’m not usually a reader of that news outlet.
It will probably come as a surprise to you that I will abstain from membership in the “BerbaHate” clique because I’m a confirmed BerbaSceptic. You may say that that’s a distinction without a difference but I would disagree – of course.
And you will probably be even more surprised that I am not eager for a BerbaTransfer. But right now he’s insurance and that’s a good thing – in case that Danny Welbeck still hasn’t found a first-team groove and/or that Chicharito’s “concussion” problems are more serious than SAF has been letting on.
But, to be perfectly honest, I think that the reason Dimmy is not for sale to PSG is that he’s already ear-marked for a return to Spurs. No evidence. Just “intuition” – and my track record isn’t great !
But, whether my “intuition” is right or wrong – we’ll all know more by Wednesday or, perhaps, the Wednesday following that when the transfer-window closes. In the meanwhile, we can debate this as much as we like but we are nothing more than blind men, whistling in the dark. Same goes for a “should we/shouldn’t we” about WeeWesley or a “can this really be true” about Jack Rodwell.
One thing is for sure, SAF doesn’t pick up my calls.
To all you that think we need to splash out in the transfer market to chase down the mighty City, FUCK OFF.
It s all very pretty on paper to say that City are a great team and will win the league because theyve spent bucket loads of cash and the only way we can compete is by doing likewise. The same in the champions league. Thats horse shit! We are competing and it isnt the team that wins the early games whilst the press are trying to make early predictions who will win the league. Look at Chelsea last year, they got off to a flyer. Why did they fall away. Winter thats why. When your from South America, the meditaranean and Africa a prolonged cold spell where every mornings training is frost. During the day every day is rain and then the odd ammount of snow really saps the strength out of those who are used to the warmer climat. Dont be surprised to depressive luls from Tevez and Aguero, Silva and Ballotelli in restrictive gear in a hopeless attempt to get warm. Dont be surprised when family members back home phone up and ask how theyre doing and if they’re fine whilst going on about their southern hemisphere summers whilst juniour is trudging around in Somme like conditions to find that moral hits the bottom. When results have to be ground out against lesser teams with bruisers who are used to dishing out dead legs and standing on toes in the bitter cold mark my words City wont be there for the count. We will start to take control, should we have lost any, with the likes of Berbatov, Young, Rooney, Owen, Carrick, Fletcher etc who are more than used to the conditions.
The team who when the cameras are interested in only the top fixtures who can on a shitty december morning grind out the 1-0′s and 2-1s through sweat and toil will win the league. That team will be United. With or without the latest 50million pound super fad.
In Fergie I trust
In winter I trust
YS @ 20:34: “De Laet scored n kept K. Jones in His Pocket agnst Stoke…………..”
If he can play in goal then he’s definitely the second coming of John O’Shea.
Goat @ 20:37: “To all you that think we need to splash out in the transfer market to chase down the mighty City, FUCK OFF.”
C’mon m8, tell us what you really think.
In GoatinaUnitedShirt I trust.
Goat
No arguments from me on that post………….. Brilliant
Brilliant in yo mind.
Chase down city? They’re chasing United, not the other way round Goat.
I am the best of the best, cream of the crop, top dog……..
Need me a Dion tune to fully compliment myself
@denton paper just picked up the story,seems to be strong quotes from the principles involve Berba is staying.
Now in your need to believe Sir Alex has a deal in place with Spurs and is lying to PSG,interesting i’ll be following that denton.
Your right about the rumors next 10 days will be nuts
‘arry reckons “Not many people would get in the side in front of Gareth Bale”, I disagree. Also, I think Bale will have a mediocre season as opposition tacticians will have him sussed by now.
‘arry continues “Ashley Young is a good signing, a player I tried to sign. We chased him. We chased Stewart Downing [now with Liverpool]. Their wages … it was always just out of our reach.” Rubbish! Young was never anywhere near signing for Spurs, and didn’t make his choice based on cash, but on the knowledge that Sir Alex and United will take his career to the next level, and bring him medals.
never mind wee jack what about barkley they reckon thats why nobodys bidding for rodwell
Fucking weirdo, I heard.
You won’t get him now, though. Not unless someone pays Everton silly money.
He looked Everton’s best player against QPR.
Gareth Bale can’t play with his back to goal
Of the highest order Willie!
What do you mean weirdo
Willie is referring to me as weirdo……………..Which I am
………….No mention of the racist chants of the Uefalona fans then no?
Can’t believe people are that hypnotised by the “More than a club” Unicef bollocks that they ignore racist chants from the Barca faithful and analyse to the 10th degree Mourinho eye-gauging?!
What has society come to.
I seem to remember his Chelsea and Porto teams could play! and boy could they play……
Lets not forget Fergie has easily abolished our clubs style of play and rightly so when up against teams that at that present time were at the peak of their powers, whilst we were in transition period……Arsenal 04/05? and opted for a more brute approach and it worked……..but hey, noone badmouth Barcelona’s bench over-reacting and invading the pitch every game against Madrid to manipulate the ref…….my god that clubs is in bed with Fifa and Uefa!
Sorry i thought Barkley dressed in his mothers clothes or something
Fuck sakes SAF !
Liverpool had torres,alonso,arbeloa,riera & reina
Arsenal has Cesc Fabregas
Shitty bought David Silva
Chelshit got Torres and Mata
Barca & Madrid share the rest
& Who Do We Have? A Goalie called David De Hiya
Fix up SAF, Sign us Álvaro Domínguez,Javi Martínez,Ander Herrera & Jeffren Suárez. Those guys are winners of the U21 Tournament.
My team for Spurs.
DDG
Smalling Jones Evans Evra
Nani Carrick Anderson Young
Rooney
Welbeck
Cheers Cedars.
its just the cedars loves cedars clique in full swing,cedars has a mirror behind his computer screen.
Willie – I hope Berba starts and I would like Fabio at RB
Great Post Goat !
Anyone remember the games against Blackpool and Brum….freezing cold conditions below minus and we managed to comeback from 2-0 and win 3-2 against Blackpool with the Help of Berba (2) and Chico (1).
No one else could have pulled that off but us. Come winter, Chelsea’s pensioners will be feeling the cold & will get the stuffing knocked out of them and Shitty will be in bomber jackets, snoods, beenie hats, thinsulate gloves, double layered socks and slippers avoiding Reebok stadium and Britannia stadium.
African Cup of Nations is from January 21 – February 12 2012 so teams with Africans are pissed because they’ll lose their lads for around 6-8 weeks.
I’m sure Sir Alex will start Berb in this one
Let us not over estimate the winter factor fellas, whilst of course it will affect those who are used to warmer climates however most of these players have been in England for a long time and are used to it, especially at Chelsea…… If it will fuck Aquero than De Gea will also be affected
I’m hoping Fabio starts at right-back against Spurs. I’d like to see how he does against Bale. Really want to see Berba start & I want to see Evans start aswell.
Not so sure about Berbatovtomorrow. I posted a link recently where SAF was talking about the strikers. It really looked like he considered Berba as 4th choice. Welbeck imo has been hit and miss in the first 2 games, but like DDG, Fergie might think that he will get better with each passing game. So tomorrow I see us lining up like this:
DDG – Smalling, Evans, Jones, Evra – Nani, Cleverley, Anderson, Young – Rooney, Welbeck
if you run you don’t get cold
Cedars – True that.
willierednut says:
Chase down city? They’re chasing United, not the other way round Goat
I did say “We will start to take control, should we have lost any,…..”
My bit was a dig at those that only ever seem to see success from teams that go out and spend. Forgetting that United have developed with a healthy respect for youth football, homegrown players a sprinkling of forreign magic and most importantly eyeing up and coverting other teams youngsters whgo have shown great potential. Id rather spend 20 million on a phil Jones than 30 million on a Lescott. Id rather spend 17 million on a Nani than 30 on a Silva. Id rather a bag of happennies to go to Brazil and pick up excellent full back prospects than spend the money Terry wooed bridges missus with to pick up Bridge and his silly wage packet. Id rather spend 7 million on Chico than 40million on Aguero, id rather spend 30 million on Rooney (who is british, hardened and comes with bling factor for the club) than the same money for a pony like Dzeko. Id rather have Carrick at 18million than Barry at considerably more, Id rather have Wellbeck for free and developed by the stars already here than spend a bucket full on a black mafia wop with a serious attitude. Id rather have home grown Fletcher than a summer player in Toure. Id rather have a 5 million Vidic than a drup cheat Toure. Id rather Valencia than Johnson and to top it off. All our players want to stay, all our players help in youth development without the need to Eric Bistow them. All our players sit on the bench and accept it as a learning curve.
And when we sell a first team player we get top dollar, not have to subsidise a silly wage to get names of the book.
Fabio looked off the pace last week. Didn’t someone post a link on Friday, that Fergie picked his back 4 already? I went for Carrick over Tom, because of his composure on the ball. Carrick usually does well against Spurs.
I gave a lot of thought to the right back berth. Like willie said, Fabio didn’t look at his very best, but if we need a speedy full back to match Bale, there’s only one choice right now. Smalling didn’t look too lively at right back either, but in Rio and Vida’s absence, I think we need him to help out Evans and Jones.
CedarsDevil
Winter – “If it will fuck Aquero than De Gea will also be affected”
Then we can call on Lindegaard.
They can call on Tevez (nope too busy whining a snooding up and shivering), Balottelli (the same), ……
They may not be too many points dropped in winter due to the winter factor but the fatigue will set in afterwards. I really do think they are too similar in areas of the pitch. I mean look at Tevez Aguero they are too similar, in player style and (soon in Agueros case) hatred of Manchester and its winter. I still feel Chelsea are our biggest threat.
Goat did you spend to long in the pub today you ‘d rather spend £17 than £30 millon
Goat
I totally agree about Chelsea being our biggest threat, they have the experience and know how. They can also grind out results when needed…. City have more than the winter to worry about, the players you mention will soon enough start to sulk and cause internal problems….As much as I dislike Chelsea but they have a much better togetherness than City will ever have
If and as expected Jones and Evans start in the center of defense than I really believe we are in for a pleasant surprise…… The Beast is raring to go and Evans seems like he is back to what we always knew he is capable of
All this hype with rodwell, i personally think their boy ross barkley, you can only see he is an all round potentially quality player.
If you wanna nab anyone from everton, it should be him but we’ve got pogba who should be given a chance to shine in the first team, age is irrelevant and the manager will prove it.
Weather affects people who are unsettled and unhappy. I have moved to various new climates in my life. Hot to cold, cold to hot, hot to hotter and cold to colder. I generally transitioned better when I was excited and committed to the project and even more so when I developed good new relationships. Language is a factor, but being young and excited about a new opportunity will trump language and weather.
Just saying. It takes a mind set and it takes a good group of mates.
I’m not sure if Pogba is ready, and age is relevant.
When people talk about fullbacks, they forget we have one on loan at norwich, de laet. yes he made an error against wigan but he redeemed himself with solid performance and was good today at stoke.
As for against spurs, i think united should play a three man midfield of anderson, cleverly and carrick.
Why carrick? well he’d give that discipline, tactical awareness and further experience needed, we don’t want van der vaart making too much an impact.
Spurs will probably play a two man midfield. I don’t see the need for us to go 3 in the middle. In future games though Samuel, that could be an option. Lets not forget about Fletch either. The forgotten man lol.
Smartalex – not saying he should be a definite starter but the boy is can potentially be the answer to this all round midfield problems, he should be slotted in gradually.
FletchTHEMAN – I know! I know! You’re a thermometer?
Willie – fair point, if spurs come oldtrafford with a two man midfield then i guess it will be an open game, lets hope that favours united and the young player’s at the back come out of the challenge greatly.
Yeah of course fletcher, he’ll be crucial this season and will come back fresh and fitter than ever, another option with experience.
Samuel – united WE stand
That makes a lot of sense. I think I over-reacted, or at least misread your comment. He certainly seems to be a level or two above most the other young players we have. A few of the RoM posters have been raving about him, Tunnicliffe, Morrison and of course Cleverley for a while now; and the little we’ve seen of them certainly backs this up. I’ve read that Pogba needs some more time, although Sir Alex mentioned that he nearly made it onto the US tour squad.
I guess the only way (best way) to get him ready is to play him.
Willierednut, I was wondering if we might start with Giggs and Anderson, with Carrick protecting the young CH’s and Rooney alone up front. Young and Nani surely must own the flanks.
smartalex – I hadn’t even thought of Giggs? It’s possible mate. Great experience in those old legs lol. The way Fergie is talking though, he’ll stick with young lads. Still a great option off the bench. Especially at set pieces.
Looks like Chelsea have signed Mata…
King Eric – you hit the nail right on the head. The amount of cash spent they should be challenging for the title
Nani said: ‘That was the strangest goal I think I’ve ever scored. Most people were angry but I was clever because I understood the game. I put my hand on the ball because I thought it was a foul. But the referee saw the goalkeeper catch the ball and go to play on. The referee opened his hands to say “play”.
‘The keeper put the ball on the floor and took two steps back. I looked at the referee and he just said, “Yeah, OK”, so I took it quick and scored. It was not my fault.’
Sir Alex Ferguson admits he does not want tonight’s game won by a similar incident. ‘For the sake of Harry Redknapp’s health I hope we can avoid the kind of controversial goal that last season had him jumping up and down in rage and frustration.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2028660/Manchester-United-winger-Nani-taunts-Tottenham-clever-goal.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
The spuds still bitch about that goal.
Leonardo said: ‘I had Ferguson on the phone but he told me that he was counting on Berbatov and that he was not for sale.’
I wonder why Leonardo would want to buy a ‘useless’ striker, perhaps he knows something that some of us don’t.
The spuds still bitch about a lot of goals, and some that were disallowed! Love it!
Cracking header by De Laet!
They still bang on about the Mendes non goal.
Gary Neville gives every impression of being a fast learner, and he is clearly not afraid of putting himself out there. “Once the boss has ripped you apart a few times, and you’ve had a captain like Keano put you in your place, you can handle anything that comes from fans or media.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8714503/Simon-Briggs-Gary-Neville-could-be-television-gold-but-lose-the-beard.html
DeLaet’s header against Stoke.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/ritchie-laet-stoke-15302941/
who is this @markg,you seem a interesting fella
DeLaet banging some goals huh,hope he gets a few against our major rivals
Well lads modric is gonna be another rentboy. He aint featuring tomorrow night. Sky just confirmed it.
Fitb. Hello mate. Ha. Had to laugh at the ITV news tonight. “Man city have powered their weay to the top of the league“. Oh fuck off. We have played one fucking game. Are wolves gonna win the league based on this nonsense? Its pathetic. Bet you any money city have a picture of the league table on their website. Smalltime cunts.
Redknapp appeared to prepare the ground for Modric’s departure by leaving him out of tonight’s showdown with Manchester United. Redknapp said: “He won’t be with us for the United game. He has got a bit of an injury but, to be honest, it is more that his head is not quite right.”
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Manchester-United-winger-Ashley-Young-does-not-scare-me-says-Tottenham-Hotspur-defender-Benoit-Assou-Ekotto-article788761.html
Old Carlo must be going mad. Why didn’t Roman the ruskie, give him some fucking rubles?
What a fucking disrespectful cunt Mancini is. Discussing with sky cameras after game that he thinks Nasri will be signed within twenty four hours. Should be brought to task for comments like that. Classless and smalltime. Its funny every cunt buying these players to compete with United while once again we bring our youth through. You cannot buy that.
He paid 50 million pounds for a tranny didn’t he?
Carlo didn’t want him. That was a vanity buy, from Roman.
King Eric, hello mate. Are you going to the game tomorrow night?
And lets not forget Luiz at 25 million. The problem with Ancelotti was that he never put his foot down. Didn’t do it at Milan with Berlusconi and didn’t do it with Abramovich either.
And willie, I don’t believe that Mata and Modric were Boas’ choices either.
Emily – Nah Nah Nah Nah Ashley Young! 1½ minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7UNRjCj_Pk
Smartalex. Hello mate. Yeah just posted that about Modric.
Just watching end of sunday supp and what drivel. That babyfaced wallace saying that Lukaku could be player of year. Err based on what exactly ? Won’t get a sniff. Als said he is so excited to see the young players the rentboys have brought in. Wouldn’t get too excited sam considering they won’t get a fucking sniff.
A bit harsh on Mourino IMO. Lets face it if our main rivals were Barca with their cheating diving tactics (which I add they did this even in a friendly on the US tour) we’d be pissed off with them too. Like him or not the guy is a tactical genious and barring a dubious sending off in the champs league would have put them through on away goals as the home match would have been a 0-0 draw. Before people moan about his boring defensive style, its the way we defeated barca in 2008.
In the spanish super cup first leg, RM played more attacking and had more possesion which most team have struggled. It wouldnt suprise me if they won lg this year.
As for what pique said.. Hes got less alligence to us than Tevez and I couldnt care less as Barca with their spineless cheating tactics when going gets tough ruins world football.
If Fergie reckons he is the best candidate to replace him then in him I trust. He wins trophies and 2 3-0 champions lg final wins were much more comfortable than our own.
I think the guy who follows Fergie is gonna need bottle and he certainly has it. His transfers havent been too bad and he will win trophies wherever he manages.
Smartalex. I certainly am mate. Cannot wait. Good link. Great hearing youngs name being sung at the hawthornes.
Makes Chelsea a very strong team. They needed some creativity. Don’t think Carlo could of done all that much, but resign. He ended getting the hook anyway lol. Nasri goes to city. Modric and Mata to Chelsea. Will Fergie respond, with Sneijder?
Nani’s ‘strange’ goal against spurs last season. 2½ minutes. Includes unhappy Gomes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWZ9be28C_E
James. Yeah and how many teams has he built and nutured? Fuck all. He gets the finished product adds experience and moves on. Not fit to step foot in OT. He is a fucking cun mate. I suppose its all how we view United. If some are happy to throw everything Sir Matt and fergie have done down the shitter then jose is your man. Win trophies at any costs. Nah not for me.
Hey willie. We all thought torres would make the rentboys stronger. No doubt these additions will make them stronger but fuck em. I aint worried about those cunts.
King Eric, I’m stoked that you’re going! Perhaps on your way there you can submit a couple of amping comments to RoM. Get us revved up and in on the build-up to the action.
God bless you Emily
Smartalex – exactly, i think if we as fans can all be patient then i think we have some outstanding young player’s breaking through, And if they all live up to expectations and fulfill potential then united will be saving millions on transfers, the future is bright but we just all gotta be patient.Smartalex – exactly, i think if we as fans can all be patient then i think we have some outstanding young player’s breaking through, And if they all live up to expectations and fulfill potential then united will be saving millions on transfers, the future is bright but we just all gotta be patient.
I don’t buy it that Modric is creative. He has about four assists in two seasons.
I’m absolutely gutted the league is over already…
Congratulations Manchester City, 2011-2012 Premiership champions. You deserve it. Especially the loyal fans who are there week in week out, full houses week after week, I take my hat off to you’s.
Would like to see this line-up for the Spurs game:
De Gea
Fabio – Jones – Evans – Evra;
Park – Cleverley – Giggsy – Young;
Rooney – Berbatov
I think SAF will pick this team though;
De Gea
Jones – Smalling – Evans – Evra;
Nani – Carrick – Cleverley – Young;
Berbatov – Rooney
With Park & Giggsy playing some part.
King Eric – It’s not our job to be worried about rival teams. We give the lads, the support throughout the season. You can bet your bottom dollar though, that Sir Alex and his staff, will be keeping an eye on our rivals. After all, that’s part of their job.
That superstar Emily Jane Best – her parents got married a few weeks back
Heard that her dad is some guy
Congratulations
Smartalex. Unfortunately mate no can do. I use ruths blackberry but am off to game with my mate Paul.
It’s funny that ‘arry said about Modric: “his head is not quite right.”
I wonder if he’s looked in the mirror recently!
Blinking away, no doubt.
King Eric – fair enough mate! I’m sure we’ll be pretty amped anyway. Enjoy it!
Neils a red. Ha nice one pal.
Willie. Spot on mate. I try not concern myself with other teams as I know United have got the players and know how. Yeah sure fergie and his team will keep an eye but it won’t concern them. As we know Fergie likes a challenge.
Samuel – united WE stand
It seems to be the most exciting time to be United fan since the Nevilles/Becks/Butt/Giggs etc break through. The fantastic thing about being a United supporter is that winning 4 out of 5 Prems is actually not as important to us as the development of our youth.
Come on United!
I saw this in a comment in Guardian Online:
“For what it’s worth, here’s the listing of United’s home losses:
2010/11 = 0
2009/10 = 2 (Aston Villa; Chelsea)
2008/9 = 1 (Liverpool)
2007/8 = 1 (Man City)
2006/7 = 2 (Arsenal; West Ham)
2005/6 = 1 (Blackburn)
2004/5 = 1 (Chelsea)
2003/4 = 3 (Fulham; Middlesbrough; Liverpool)
2002/3 = 1 (Bolton)
2001/2 = 6 (Arsenal; Bolton; Chelsea; Liverpool; Middlesbrough)
2000/1 = 2 (Derby; Liverpool)
1999/2000 = 0
1998/9 = 1 (Middlesbrough)
1997/8 = 2 (Arsenal; Leicester)
1996/7 = 2 (Chelsea; Derby)
1995/6 = 0
1994/5 = 1 (Nottingham Forest)
1993/4 = 1 (Chelsea)
1992/3 = 2 (Everton; Wimbledon)”
PHUQQING AMAZING, EH ? I think that you’ll notice that Tottenham do not figure in this list !
Wayne @ 20:48: “in your need to believe Sir Alex has a deal in place with Spurs and is lying to PSG,interesting i’ll be following that denton.”
I don’t “need to believe” anything; what I put forward was sheer speculation – nothing more. AND, I wouldn’t say that SAF was “lying” but rather he was telling them that money can’t buy you Dimmy !
Besides, like you wrote – we should have a nice roller-coaster ride of stories, fables, and speculative sheet for the next ten days. I was just getting ahead-of-the-curve.
Phuqq orf! Really? Those are some great stats denton davey!
Add to that it’s 22 years since the spuds beat us at home.
David de Gea, Phil Jones and the twins were not even born the last time Spurs won away to United, back in 1989. Let’s hope that their lifetimes are free of defeat.
Thanks smartalex.
Denton Davey says, What I put forward was sheer speculation – nothing more. Hmm, you’d fit right in at the Daily Mail lol. Maybe as Bob Cass number 2!
Im sticking by what I said days ago: I expect a
De Gea
Fabio Smallings Jones Evra
Nani Carrick Anderson Giggs Park
Rooney
but it wouldn’t suprise me if Rio was chosen ahead of Fabio, Cleverley over Giggs. I just can’t see us playing welbeck or Berba from the start and playing Young would be dodgey because he doesn’t have the same defensive work rate as Parky who is yet to start this season. Im expecting an experienced midfield if Rio’s out and Cleverley, Ando and Carrick to play if Rio’s fit. We need composure against the likes of Huddlestone, Kranchar, VdV.
Us to win 1-0, anybody else disagree? Based on closeness of past games, I hope I get it right and win the bet im putting down.
2 0 win. Jones maybe to break his duck?
SHITTY r such a rubbish team…lol….dey get so complacent once they take the lead…..bolton should have drawn the match if not for a silly goal-keeping howler for the silva goal……..as for us….i think eto is moving so we can say goodbye to the WS dreams…cause inter will not surely sell both their top players…..they r not WENGER…the only threat spuds may give us is van der vaart’s free kicks….n defoe seems to have found a bit of form again…….i think it will be a high scoring match…3-1 to us…..our starting line-up should be
de gea
evra-smalling-evans-jones
park-cleverly-carrick-nani
rooney-berba
Stateside. just read that Glazers are likely to pull 2B from the float. IS that just funny maths with the different exchanges, or is this a posibility.
So
Glazers float 25% of club
Make 2B
Means club is worth 8B
Pay off all debt.
Fans sing Glory for the Glazers
Build statue of the Glazer Lads
History?
Something is just not right.
Maybe my cigarettes have been spiked with some silly x’stals?!
Clint you can keep calling for a 4-5-1 but I really doubt it, especially at OT and against the Spurs. They haven’t beaten us there in 22 years and they haven’t beaten us anywhere since ’01 at WHL.
I’d say we probably see a backline of Evans/Jones inside and Smalling/ Evra outside. I’m thinking Nani, Cleverley, Carrick and Young in the middle with what appears to be the prefered front pairing of Rooney/Welbeck (only due Hernandez still being out) though I could see Berba in to give us a bit of height in the box both ways.
Whichever way it goes I see a probable 3-1 win though I’ll be hoping for a clean sheet for the young spaniard.
Good stats Denton davey but I do see in the 2001/02 season you’ve listed only 5 of the 6 teams.West ham was the other I seem to remember with a joe cole goal I think,but could be wrong about that.
JC – I see your point but me being a tactic freak expecting the worst , i always pick a side that nuetralises the threat first and within that group they have the strengths to win. I’d like a 4-5-1, but SAF will conjure up something unbelievable like 3-4-3 which will have our balls bursting in our attempts to pick a side.
Heres something to pass the time till 8pm.
http://host.trivialbeing.org/up/transformers-20090618-megan-fox-on-phone.jpg
——————Did someone say Joe Cole? Isn’t he that promising lad coming through at West Ham, set to tear up the championship this season. Rumours has it, hes an english lad with the skill of a brazillian,eyes of a spaniard, technique of an italian and has as many balls as lady gaga. I see a bright future for this boy along with that other guy….whats his name again? Ah Keiron Dyer….great player !
I will miss the game live and have to watch the DVR, shit.
—————— DDG——————-
Smalling– Jones— Evans— Evra
Nani—–Carrick — TC– Young
———– Berba– Rooney
3 points are all that matters, still should be an open game, Carrick to cover back four. Jones will rampage forward tilting the field in crucial moments with FB overlaps as well. Man Utd to look good at home. Witch Nani shows? I think the world beater does and he gets in Bales grill with Smalling standing him up with Jones to cover and Carrick to make it all good in the middle. DDG to have no, said blunders and 2,3 nice saves. At home he will be more relaxed and start a break, that leads to a goal. With his distribution putting pressure on the Spurs all day.
Giggs for TC ?
This transfer window is going to be juicy.
-If Naseri isn’t sold before Wednesday, he will play in the CL qualifier as Wenger stated on Saturday.
If he plays, City will not buy him according to rumours and he being cup tied. This makes him free to leave for free to either United. Shitty, Madrid or Barca next summer or commit to arsenal.
- Modric’s head isn’t right, so he could be on his way after not playing in Europa to avoid being Cup Tied. With the Modric cash Diarra, Samba, adebayor/forlan and a mystery bargain can be expected by Arry.
- Santa Cruz, Wright-Philips, Nedum Onuoha, Bellamy & Wayne Bridge still haven’t moved so clubs will be getting bargains for them whilst those pricks take 75% pay cuts.
-Will Liverpoo waste more money. They’ll probably offer £11m for a Free Barton and sell Meireles for free to Venky’s chicken to fund half time snacks courtesy of Blackburn Rovers.
- Chelsea look set to add Lukaka, Mata, Modric to their team and Drogba could be on his way out after no progression with his contract offer.
- Who will Arsene whinger buy? A lot of names thrown around
(Hazard, Jags, Samba, Cahill, Arteta, Jadson, Valbuena, Barton, Parker, Zarate), wouldn’t surprise if they stuck with the additions of Jenkinson, Gervinho and Joel Campbell.
- QPR have a new owner, they want to sign 5 players, interesting to see if they buy Parker. Btw does nobody want Scotty Parker? He’s £8m and Quality, Arsenal where are thou?
- Everton need dough, Will they ever get a loan from the bank in time? Should we set us a charity trust for those scousers, I feel sorry for their financial troubles while kids starve in Somalia, maybe we should put a bit aside for them.
- Will Odemwingie stay at the baggies? Wigan could get him.
- Will Newcastle Reinvest some of that juicy £35m received for Carroll?
- Will Chicken Wings FC buy a striker & a Defender after selling Jones and Kalinic?
- Finally will UTD finally sign the enigmatic Barton for free? or will we settle for his weaker countryman Wesley Schneider for half the price? or Go Bonkers and Sign Rodwell on a bargain and go after long time targets Cheik Tiote and Craig Gordon.
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Fletch … no mate, nothing funny about it. It all makes sense and is exactly what I expected. I’ll apologize in advance the length of this post, for it is very long, and also if I am explaining stuff you already know. Hope it helps to clarify what’s happening. If I am boring anyone else: nopone’s forcing you to read, you’re welcome to move on now.
The confusion is because the float has been described as “partial float” in which the Glazers will sell 25 to 30% of the club. However, that description isn’t quite accurate. I had this discussion with some others on here a week or so ago. A company must be either all private or all public. It cannot be a bit of one and a bit of the other. This is because legally, a company is a single “entity”, and legally, “public” and “private” companies are mutually exclusive beasts. It’s a bit like in your own life: when you work on a job, you can do it as an employee, or as an independent contractor, but you can’t do it as both (on the same job, anyway. You can have one job as an employee, and another as a contractor, but not on the same job). The Glazers must float all of the club — or none of it.
So why is it being reported as “partial float”? It’s just a convenient way for financial journalists to describe what’s actually going to happen. What it means is: the Glazers will float the whole club, but they will keep most of the shares for themselves. All the shares will be listed, but only some of them will actually be sold.
Here’s how it works:
Right now, the club is 100% owned by the Glazers. It is a private company, so it has no shares and it’s ‘value’ is a little arbitrary. The float (or IPO) is the process of turning the company public. In a public company, the ownership of the company is divided into many small, equal portions, called shares, and the company’s “market value” is the total number of shares, multiplied by the individual share price.
After the float, the share price will be determined by buyers and sellers on the market and may change costantly. But before the float, it will be determined by the Glazers. The Glazers (and their advisors) will decide how much they think the club is worth. In theory, they can invent any value, but during the float, they will have to convince investors that their valuation is credible, so that will be a reality check. It seems they have decided on $2 billion.
They then have to decide how to split that into shares. Remember, the total value = number of shares, multiplied by individual share price. For example, if they split it into 2 billion shares, each share will have an initial value of $1. Or, they could split it into 1 million shares, which would value each share at $2,000. In both cases, the total value is $2 billion. Most likely, it will be something between those extremes. For example, 200 million shares at $10 each, or 20 million shares at $100, somewhere in that range. Of course, I am just guessing (and I am using US$, while they will be working in Singapore dollars).
Let’s say they settle on 40 million shares at $50 each. That represents 100% of the company, and that is what will be floated. Prior to the float, the Glazers will own all those shares themselves. During the float, they will keep 70% for themselves and sell the rest. Using my example figures, that means they will own 28 million shares, and sell the other 12 million. All 40 million shares will be listed on the market, but only 12 million will be available for purchase (in theory, but keep reading).
This explains how (I hope) how the Glazers will “pull” $2bn during the float: using my example figures, the $2bn would consist of the 28 million shares they own (worth $50 each at the time of the float, or $1.4 billion), plus the cash from the 12 million shares they sell (also at $50 each, or $600 million). So they get $2 billion, but only $600 million of that is in cash. The rest is in shares which are worth $1.4 billion before the float, but whose values after the float will rise or fall on the market.
Once on the market, anyone can buy shares — but only if there’s someone willing to sell. And anyone who owns shares can sell them — but only if there’s someone willing to pay. The Glazers will own their 28 million shares (at $50 each, or $1.4 billion), but they won’t be selling (or so they say). As for the other 12 million, they will actually be sold (or offered, anyway) to large investors prior to the float, at the float price of $50 each. Realistically, there probably won’t be any left for general sale during the float itself.
After the float, any of the shareholders can sell any of their shares anytime they like — if there’s a buyer. The shares will initially be listed at $50, but if people are trying to buy shares, and there aren’t available, the share price will go up. How this works: there are several different types of share price: offer, bid, and sale. An offer price is what a seller tries to sell for. A bid price is what a buyer tries to buy for. A sale price is what they agree on. If no shares are available, and there are lots of hopeful buyers, the bid prices will go up and up, until either the buyers lose interest, or a seller says “OK”. If a buyer bid $70, and a seller accepts, then the share price itself just moved from $50 to $70. At that point, the Glazers’ stake wouldn’t be worth $1.4 billion, it would be worth $1.96 billion (28 million shares times $70 each).
But if there are more sellers than buyers, the opposite happens: the offer price will go down (as sellers try to attract buyers) until someone accepts, and that then becomes the new share price. If that was $30, then the Glazers’ holding would be 28 million shares times $30, or $840 million. But of course, they wouldn’t actually make or lose any money until they actually sell their shares, and then everything will depend on the actual price they sell at. If they sold some shares are $70, they would make a profit of $20 a share; if they sold at $30, they would lose $20 a share. Until they sell, the “book value” of their shares will go up or down with the market price, but they won’t actually make or lose anything.
The Glazers have said they will use the $600 million in cash (from the 12 million shares they sold) to pay some or all of the debt (we haven’t seen details of those promises yet). They have also said they won’t be selling their own 28 million shares, but it’s not known whether that’s a committed promise, or just a statement to make other investors feel good. If it’s a commitment, they’ll have to stick to it. Any written commitments they make in the float documents, must be maintained — otherwise it’s fraud. If it’s not a commitment, they can sell any time they like after the float. If, for example, a rich Qatari or Russian was to say, “I’ll give you $75 a share”, then the Glazers could walk away with $2.1 billion for their 28 million shares — and the club would have a new owner as of that moment.
Fletch … he-he, if that didn’t answer your question, we’ll have to resume tomorrow. off to bed,. cheers!
guys its united vs spuds and yet no interview of ‘arry by MG ?
i guess MG is too busy these days ?
Happy Matchday Reds!
i for 1 actually believe mourinho would b a great united manager..some say people dont like him?fuck me every 1 i speak to hates fergie cause he apparently moans..dont no were they get that from.
anyways sad to c mata go to chelsea would have loved him at united hes a quality young player and prob could of helped de gea settle to havin said that not sure were he would have played as i still believe if we r gona strengthen them cm would b the wisest choice..i would still prefer modric out of the 2 that have been constantly mentioned but harry is a moany cunt and to say hes worth 50mill just goes to show what type of weed the cunt is smoking
City fan Mike Wedderburn getting all giddy and excited on SSN. Silly cunt.
I don’t want him at United but it’s funny how people exaggerate things. He didn’t eye gouge him, he pinched his face and this picture is taken as he turns his head so it looks like he’s purposely gouging his eye. He also did NOT “kick Fabregas in the head”. Nothing like it. What a load of bollocks.
How would folks feel about Mark Hughes taking the reins? Is he the best qualified ex-United player out there right now?
I’ve a feeling he’ll be in the running…his earlier association with the bitters shouldn’t count against him, IMO.
kungfoocantona
We are not going to choose our manager based on the views of people who hate United.
You say “every 1 i speak to hates fergie”
I hope you deal with them accordingly!
Which country are these haters in?
For anyone that wants to intimidate Mourinho from joining United, you know who you have to call:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOcVqCmap5g
Its no secret that rival fans hate Sir Alex and call him all sorts of names………. It all stems from pure jealousy, they would all kill to have someone like the great man at their club
@ StatesideAussie
is there a possibility that they could still sell the shares and not pay the dept?????
A first timer.
With all due respect to mr mourinho. There is only 1 manager that can handle manchester united nw. Which is pep. He can bring the exciting football and success on the pitch as well.
Mourinho antics was neva a case of doubt but his tactics is too dull 4 my likin. Nt united style and neva will it be. Greetings to smartalex n d true reds in here. I have always enjoyed ur comments. Bring on the 20 even without dat snipper.
CedarsDevil, hello there buddy, how are you? Excited?
Their hatred is so obviously jealousy. Bastards!
We should never let them get away with it.
smartalex – I am really looking forward for tonight my friend, the wait has been very difficult!
I find their hate quite amusing actually, only way to shut them up is to smack em in the face I suppose, but I would rather not as unfortunately some of them are close family members!
How close?
Would they be missed?
How many family members does one really need?
smartalex – lol
Actually its just a nephew who is a die hard Pool supporter…….. Seeing that I have a handful of nephews and nieces, I could probably waste him!! hahaha
@coomy, As Stateside has stated, whenever a company applies for an IPO, they have to mention in the document submitted to the exchange as to the purpose of the offering and how they will utilize the money from it. If they mention that they are going to use it to clear of the club’s debts in the document, then they simply have to do it. If they don’t, it is a fraud and they are liable to legal action. Of course, the chink in the armor is that we have no idea what they are going to mention in the document.
@Stateside, Thank you for the crash course on investing. I knew most of it already, but it was well worth the read.
@smartalex and Cedars, Good morning to you both, hope you are doing well!
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
I suppose it’s good to keep your ‘enemies’ close!
Someone to make fun of and upset, with reminders like ’19′!
@Balaji, Good morning buddy! Happy Matchday, sir!
@smartalex
i didnt litterally mean every1 it was more of a sarcastic comment..im from belfast mate..im talkin about ur general fan who talks shite sayin we get all the decisions etc, ya no the bitter people im talkin about and the answer to the question of me dealing accordingly..absolutly, we have the greatest manager of all time managing our side(that remark tends to get a reaction to especially from the scouse tramps over here).
i do believe he would b a great manager for united if it were to happen but i also want fergie to last forever…however having said that my first choice would be steve bruce but then again im slightly biased
smartalex – I remind him every day buddy, he is a great lad and loves to dish it out as well! Keeps inviting me to England with promises of a hospitality trip to bloody Anfield!!
Balaji – How are you my friend… Really looking forward for tonight I am sure
Hey Balaji. Hope you are well. Sadly it’s not a matchday for me. Argh.
@kungfoocantona – As CedarsDevil says, their jealousy of our unrelenting success has turned them all into haters, and there is the upside where we can easily deflate their hate with any number of reminders, quotes or statistics. Keep up the good work buddy! I also like Steve Bruce for manager, a good option in my opinion. He is such a gentle man, yet has proven strength and love for United.
Costas, Cedars and smartalex, Cheers mates! I am doing great apart from the God-forsaken heat. Might get about 5-7 days off next week for Eid celebrations, really looking forward to it.
Really looking forward to the match as well, good that Scott has a new thread up for it.
Costas, lol, you have a birthday bash right. At lest, you know well in advance. A few years ago, I was in the middle of the United-Spurs home game when I got a call from my friend asking me to come to the hotel to celebrate his bday bash, though technically his bday was a few days later. I was aboslutely pissed because the game was interestingly poised, but this guy was like my closest friend. We ended up winning the match I think and I clearly informed my friends that whatever plans had to be informed to me a few days in advance. Have not taken such chances since then at all.
am just thinking how funny it would have been if he was at old trafford, and aiming a kick at someone like balotelli, or aiming a punch at mancini after a brawl broken out due to united scoring in added time to win
@Balaji
Oh, that would piss me off even more. Damn friends, lol. I was really looking forward to seeing DDG’s OT debut tonight.
The last time I missed a United game was 04-05 when we lost to Portsmouth 2-0. Some might say I was luck to miss it.
@smartalex
agreed mate but then the real jealousy is because our sucess has been based upon youth and not buying everyman and his dog for silly amounts. we prove that u dont have to buy the best to be the best and as long as sir alex is there we will keep on being successful. i think its envy but they wont admit it.
steve bruce was always my first choice as i believe he would have, like fergie the clubs be interests at heart. i hope he isnt over looked wen it comes to choosing the next man for the job because he hasnt managed a top club, but im sure fergie and gill will be aware of his potential.
100% agree
Stateside, Thanks for the clarification. Quite right. 2B total, not 4x 2B.
This is moronic. Scott, I always respect you’re writing, but some of the stuff you write is rather odd. I’m not gonna beginning by defending Mourinho and in fact, far from it; But let’s face it, Guardiola is no saint himself and he frequently gets under the skin of Mourinho. Jose Mourinho is rude, obnoxious and an arrogant individual; yes, he is a brilliant tactician and connects with his team very well, but has no personality like Sir Alex Ferguson to back it up.
But it’s absolutely disgusting how everyone seems to overlook the problem that is FC Barcelona. In all honesty, they play stunning football that seems to mesmerism the pitch with their playing. But behind the curtain, we’ve seen a diving, moaning, bitching and low blow Barcelona that people seem to forget. They use these tactics to get under the skin of various teams, in particular Mourinho.
A lot of United fans want Guardiola to succeed Sir Alex Ferguson when in fact, Guardiola is WORSE than Mourinho. Guardiola is nothing more than an average coach that just HAPPENED to have the right team composition. Let’s compare for a second – Sir Alex Ferguson took over United and MADE them great because he is great himself. Guardiola took over a Barcelona team that was already arranged and simply gave them motivation. Besides that of course, he gave them cheap tactics too.
Mourinho himself does teach his teams some low tactics, but Guardiola is worse. Yet for some reason, people seem to point the finger at Mourinho rather than Guardiola.
Alexander
Your angry comment attacks us all for not seeing what seems obvious to you.
Learn to open your eyes, before focussing so blinkered on everyone else.
You did not bother to read the article properly. It is not written by the man you are blaming.
Alexander … what you say about Guardiola is not true. You are simply recounting “what everyone knows”, except that what everyone knows in this case is mostly all wrong. I know this, because I too used to believe the same shit. Until I went and checked the histoyr and the facts for myself.
The myth is that Guardiola was fortunate enough to inherit a Barcelona team that was already in place, already strutting its stuff, and already at its peak; all he had to do )and he has done) is to keep it on track. However, Barcelona had been a club in some disarray. Ijn the 10 years before Guardiola took over, they won the league 4 times, the CL once, the Copa del Rey once, and went through 6 managers. Even 4 league titles in 10 years is not that impressive, considering the general uncompetitive nature of La Liga.
The club Guardiola “inherited” was certainly powerful. It was also undeniably dysfunctional — under-performing. Nor did Guardiola simply run with what he was given. He immediately brought in Alves and Piquet, promoted Busquets from the youth team and sold off high profile star Ronaldhino. A year later, Deco and Zambrotta were also shipped out. There were a number of other lesser transfers in and out, and one or two that obviously work (such as Ibra), but those listed above were all key decisions.
Perhaps his most important contribution, though, was to introduce the tika-taka style that he himself had learned in the youth teams, but which at that time was not a trademark of the senior team. The decision to base the team around Xavi, Iniesta and Messi was Guardiola’s (the players were all regulars by then but not in the same way), as was the focus on tika-taka and constant pressing. Has Gaurdiola built mutliple, champion teams from the ground up, like Sir Alex. No, of course not. Nor has anyone else. But it’s just not right to say he had it all handed to him on a plate and simply had to avoid fucking it up.
For me, i think mourinho is showing what he felt about the game with barcelona. mourinho n guardiola are a great coach for their team. but if you did saw the game, you will get angry with barcelona with their acting on the field. and i even don’t care what that shit pique said, for me la liga are already on the verge of destruction as what we can see now. duopoly destroy the league n is not just mourinho fault.