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Starting 11:
—————De Gea—————
Smalling—Vida—Rio——-Evra
—————Jones——————-
———-Park———-Giggs——–
Nani—————————–Joung
—————-Rooney——————
SUBS:
Lindergaard
Evans
Fletcherihno
Tony
Gibbo
Welbeck
Kiko
Fucking typo…..I meant YOUNG…..not his Korean brother Joung
Too.. many… threads… nnnnyyyaaaagggghhhhhhhh!!!!
Live blog. Its on ITV. The only Troll will be Townsend.
Fred. What ever happened to Redscott? Not seen him for ages.
Jung will get inside the opposition’s heads
Come on United
James21 – he went nuts and launched an astonishing attack on King Eric. Hasn’t been back much since.
Cheers Fred. Just wondered as he used to always be on here.
300th European match
afor Manchester United .. let’s make it memorable by winning it with ease .. come on UNITED.
Get stuck in you mighty REDS………..
Evening all
Come ON UNITED
park and gigs together……..
loads of experience at the middle……
cmmon united…
I’ll say it now anybody who bashes Gibson by being on the bench in the midst of an injury crisis is a class A twat. Forward abuse to IDontGiveAFuck@hotmail.com
White kit. Uh-oh…
Oh fuck…we’re playing with that horrible white shirt
C’mon you REDS! Game on lads, lets control this from start to finish.
NRD
Smalling Smalling Smalling
And its Smalling of MUFC
He’s big and he’s black
and he plays at the back
and its Smalling of MUFC
UTD UTD UTD
COME ON REDS.
I actually like the white away kit………
Later my fellow reds, off to watch the match….
UNITED
already had the comment about the derby defeat… clock at minus 30s…
ignore plassen given link to cit-eh game fucking idiot.
Be calm……..Just Believe!
Uh-oh…
Comedy. This CL season has just been a dark dark comedy. Le
shiiitttt
just managed to get a decent link and why the fuck are we already 1 behind?
OMG!!
We need another striker on the field.
no fucking time to talk about city here when our own team are_______(put your own words).
shitty has a more difficult group than us and this is their 1st year in CL.
And I don’t think I need to explain our history right?
We fans still believe in the players but what about the players themselves?
will they justify Manchester United name?
wait and see…
Don’t think they’d have scored if Smalling hadn’t been on the deck! Such a bright start too!!
Even if we manage to draw there is no hope for us this season. We need midfielders end off
A wake up call!
@NotoriousRedDevil
Lol, I’m sorry. Bloodzeed normally sends Man.Utd, but didn’t this time.
Didn’t find english and quality image, check
sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/112888
out
Giggs needs to pick his game up. He’s our creative force tonight.
Saquiri guy looks like a decent player. Should buy him…
This is shit this is not united
If Vida didn’t fucking murder Smalling, it’d still be 0-0
ROONEY FUCK’S SAKE!!!!
How the funk did he miss that !!
You gotta be kidding me…Rooney, get your head in the game, ffs!
looks like wayne wants a new contract.
@plassen. Cheers mate, soz for the abuse but huge game and with the amount of trolls on here lately thought it was a wind up.
rooney is our main man, he needs to do better…
We are fucking struggling to get out of this group
Any good streaming lads? Emergency….damn it
City just scored. Silva. 1-0
Come on get behind the team stop yer whinging. UTD UTD UTD.
The ref is a tosser. The foul call when the linesman was two yards away and didn’t flag, the foul for the knob backing into giggs. Ridiculous.
when was the last time we played in uefa cup?
@NotoriousRedDevil
No problem. Thought this match would be easier… Basels a good team. I want Welbeck in early in the second half, but Ferguson does little before 70min
Thats the last thing we fucking need. Another fucking injury. Voodoo curse. Fucking voodoo curse!!!
Fuck me…can this get any worse, now that we were “sorting” our defensive shortcomings, VIda is out.
Going out of europe against a swiss side in clown suits and now Vidic is out for months and maybe the season. At least the reserves will get a run out in Europa League instead of in the Carling.
Could it get any worse for us!!! Fuck sake. Let’s hope it’s notserious?!
CLAP CLAP well done. ROunding off the PERFECT first half. Vidic gets injured.
surely ligament damage were fucked
oh, here comes evans…
We are soo fucking rubbish!!!!!
There has gone our season.
Omg, Vidic injury looked serious. Hope he’ll be okay. With Evans in there… I’m getting nervous!
Zelh. pleae FUCK OFF FOREVER
I don’t expect us to win anything this year, BUT if we still don’t go ahead and win this match I’d be really worried about many is this squad.
Btw, people who regularly come on here and say Rooney is as good/better than the likes of Messi/Ronaldo and other world class players, don’t bother – he is NOT!!! Can we have a real striker up there please for the second half? Even Kiko would do, thank you!
It seems our wingers forgot how to make a fking cross
Come on, have faith. It doesn’t look good, but we can still make it.
http://www.rojadirecta.me/goto/eventosppv.me/canal-2.html
in Spanish sorry
Mike
Hope its not serious with Vidic.
We are playing well unless i’ve got another game on.
unsuprisingly I’m fucking livid….
cheating fucking cunts
fuck off hans
fuck off zelh
COME ON UNITED!!!!
United dont lose matches we just run out of time
Might as well sing the 12 days of xmas and make it about all our injured players. We just have to buy or loan players now in January and when it comes to loans I think it is time we started doing that a bit more.
If Vidic goes down and stays down and gets carried off you don’t have to ask if it is bad or not.
fuck me call yourselfs united fans. get behind the lads instead of writing them off.
Slow, predictable, passionless, clueless and tonight we can’t even kick the ball properly.
Yet Fergie thinks we have a great squad!
If we do not improve immensly in teh second half, Channel 5 awaits us. I would rather go out altogether tham play fucking Europa League!
Come on United!!! 45 mins to turn things around..
Believe…
We are playing well ,we just need a bit of luck, KEEP THE FAITH
Zelh is a true Red. Get off his back.
Mahesh if you are so wrried about the squad than you should follow another team. CUNT
FFS our other 2 CBs are playing out of position… Smalling and Jones… If we could just buy 1 decent mid fielder … Fuckin bullshit… Fantasy of playing players out of position still continues…
we need to bring more men in the box ASAP – nani is tormenting the right hand side and there’s no one (in form) to pick up the crosses…fergie should have switched jones to RB, smalling to CB and bring wellbeck on for Vidic…
I hope we see a different mentality in the second half, I don’t think Jones is doing so well in the midfield. Even in the previous match. He doesn’t contribute with any passing and stops movement. Nani has done well, but stops up some of the fluidity as usual. Maybe Fletcher is something for us, if his fitness level is up.
Vidic injury looks bad. How many seasons in a row is that with an injury crisis. This game needs a moment of magic.
Get that nip kunt of the pitch!!! Fokin headless chicken with no touch!!! 4 – 4 – 2
Fred, neither are you
All right, my fellow United fans, please, PLEASE find some words to encourage me!!! I have been saying for 2 months we play like shit but you always found excuses, well, I need one right now!
Can somebody remind me, when was the last time we scored a goal by opening a team up through the middle? If we don’t score a goal from a cross, or a set piece, then we don’t score – period.
The nature of the goal or our performance doesn’t even come to it. It all goes back to that Rooney chance. Simply not good enough. It shocks me how bad his finishing has become. His inability to score goals for the last couple of games is mainly because of his new position but it certainly also due to the fact that he doesn’t get into the right positions. He was presented with a golden chance and he didn’t take it. Not putting the blame on him for our failures this half, but had he scored we wouldn’t have found ourselves in this position. This day just keeps getting worse. Vida injured is problematic, but I do even want to discuss the impact his absence will have on our performance. Let’s just get the draw and get the hell out. There’s something lacking right now. SAF needs to sort this shit out. Why our team is getting completely run ragged by this fat shit baffles me? WAKE UP UNITED FFS.
I have this weird feeling that we’re playing Barcelona, and I am not talking just about the jerseys they are wearing. They are going down like fucking pansies and the referee is a serious dick. There have been some pretty obvious fouls against us that have not been given while fucking soft calls against them have been immediately called like the Giggs one.
On the other hand, we’re still wasteful in the final third and that is what is killing us right now. Rooney should’ve buried his chance. Young still looks a long way off what he was when he started the season. He seems to have completely lost all confidence and looks clueless each time he finds the ball at his feet. It might be better to take him off for Welbeck and push Park to the left and Nani to the right. We also need someone in the middle who can push the defense as Rooney does not seem to be doing that right now. There were some good crosses put in by Nani to places where Chicha usually finds himself.
No predictions from my side. What happens will happen!
Damn, Vidic’s injury looked Michael Owen from Euro 04 bad. He seemed to feel better as he went off so I really hope it’s not something long term. Maybe a couple of months.
As for the game, the goal messed things up, but it’s been a decent effort from us after that. Logic says that a goal will come. But will our defence hold on?
And because someone asked, last time we played in the UEFA cup was 1995 against Rotor Volgograd. There was still a Cup winners cup ffs.
Hans, it’s just dawned on me, City fans will be singing “Thursday night, Channel 5″ at us from the comfort of the knockout stages of the Champions League. Christ, what a reversal of fortunes that would be.
If not for the Vidic injury I would have had my hopes up by now when City look like they might go through and we are out. We would have had an advantage in the league but Vidic injured means we have no chance as the defenders we have are perhaps at their worst form and Rio won’t play many games until the end of the season and Jones is needed in midfield but might have to play in centre of defence now.
my Albanian mate shaqiri is giving me hard time…
Oh no oh no. More than being a goal down, I’m devastated at Vidic’s injury. Somebody kill me. The rock’s got down and stayed down waving vigorously for help. And that’s clearly bad. Oh no. I feel so sick in the stomach. Really praying he’ll not be out for long.
Im still in shock Rooney missed that sitter, it’s like he was channeling Berba or something… ugh.
Vidic bent that knee quite badly. We’re talking stretched ACL at best and torn ACL at worst.
shakira is a fat bastard
Those two Albanians in their team are built like tanks and play like the friggin’ Energizer bunny!
Oh and if Berbatov missed Rooney’s chance…
@Notorious
Yeah but at least Vida’s injury is competely natural. Extremely unlucky, but shit like this happens. It’s not like he collapsed out of nowhere like Hernandez did…
Stretched ACL means he’ll be out for about a month and a half. Torn ACL and he’s done for the season.
Nothing’s worse than injuring your knee. Just ask Mr. Hargreaves.
Huge 45 minutes coming up. How many players is that injured now 6?
Vidic’s injury looks baaaad, was cringing while watching the replay
Any other player and they’d be in tears.
I dont care what anyone says, i’m sick of Giggs and i’ve been sick of him for the last couple of seasons. This is not a wake up call, we’ve been having them pretty much every match for the last two months (i’m not even gonna mention that one)
We need Welbeck on but not sure how we’d accommodate him with Jones in the midfield and the need of a creative midfielder next to him (giggs is the only one really though he’d be the one i’d take off right now). We have the players, we have the courage, we have the experience, we have the quality. Come on guys lets get stuck in.
Yes Costas who can forget Schmikes heading in the 2-2 goal against Rotor late on. We went out but it was an amazing game and I still had a smile on my face despite us going out and that is rare.
Not one decent
cross from the left. NOT ONE. suddenly Evra, Young and Nani think they’re the Peles and Maradonas to take everyone on themselves. The ref should just go and give the Basel players a fucking lap dance! I really want to know what is it that SAF tells these guys, and what is it that they hear for them to play like this. Oh and please don’t bother labelling me as another glory hunter. I’m crying blood here.
If one wants to be a real bitch about it, one could argue Vida hustled for that ball a bit too much. The ball was in their half and the Basel player had his back to the United half. He wasnt going anywhere. Could’ve just let that one be. Guess it was the adrenaline and the pressure of the armband.
Fletcher must be wondering how shit he really is if Young on this form can get in the team ahead of him..
And that’s 8 injured players by the way. But “that’s why we have a big squad”…
@Fred
Thursday nights ITV 4.
Basel are crowding the middle. get Valencia on and Park off. Rather Bank in the middle.
To the guy slating Giggs…
I couldnt be bothered to type your whole nick.
There’s no other creative midfielder on the bench. Stop dissing Giggsy.
Id bring Welback on soon, probably for Park and tell Evra to stop watching Shakira shaking her ass in the corner.
Bili Albania – kako si prijatelju ? odlican je shakiri !!!!
@STAMpede
It was a great effort by the young lads on that day. Hoping for some of the same today. Who knows? Maybe in similar fashion DDG will redeem us.
Come on Reds fans fucking unite on matchdays. FFS
UTD. UTD. UTD
Rooney will score and utd will get a win
Can we swap our fat scouser for that fat kid?
B E L I E V E
youCANTbuyTHISfeeling – Giggs is the player most likely to unlock their defence imo.
I think Danny needs to come in instead of Park. At least Danny can hold up the ball and shimmy past players or accelerate past them.
@ Costas. Took the words right out of my mouth about Berba. Thought I’d leave it be though. I see what you mean about Vidic but still the fact we have these injury crises on a season by season basis pisses me off. We’re turning into Spurs. Permanent injury crisis all season long. Someone has put a curse on our players.
All hope dies on 7th of December and that must be some sort of record. Will be a long boring wait for the season to end.
Booch – if that comes true I will kiss you.
COME ON UNITED!
just watched sir alex speeking at half time at al jazeera.
he was smiling man
Come on United.
COME OOOOON!
Off topic really, but what happened to Ando?
Welbeck should be put on and that’s it. We need a finisher and Giggs should play cause he is the best that we have in CM. We need a finisher and Welbeck can do it cause everyone else is useless anyway. Then again I am not even sure we need to win. I mean no Cl means more time to rest and concentrate on PL. May be it’s a messed up way of thinking, but I just think that a shock to the system is required
@ Fred- yeah i agree but i’m just so frustrated with him in general. Considering Rooney has been playing out of position and is rusty with his finishing, i’d stick him in front of Jones and Park and get Welbeck on for Giggs.
God alone knows how many times I have heard a commentator say “need to up it a gear or two” or “and he gives it away”. Man up and pushhhhhhh. Arrrrrggggghhhh
@CROoney
Super prijatelju, ocito smo svi poligloti.
Giggs is the MAIN MAN. Don’t know if thats a good thing
WTF Rooney..
AntiScouser – hehe, where you from ?
This team is certainly not playing like Manchester United. I really cant tell what the problem is but all the players are culpable
I don’t care about this game.
It’s just that Vidic’s kneecap looked totally fucked.
and that could mean out for 2 or 3 month at least.
lyon scored 4 goals in 6 minutes… fucking crazy… i hope united can scored one at least
Hope we get the result we need. Time for work. Bollocks. COME ON UNITED!!!!!!!!!
Young has been so clueless offlate i wonder if he is Valencia disguised. I love Jones @rb cos Smalling is too ponderous on de wall…thank God Berbatov is not playin. so much for de ‘almighty’ Rooney ‘huh’
This is embarrassing
Maybe Sir Alex was too hasty in ruling out signings in January. Our squad is looking not only thin now but toothless and weak compared to the rest of the title challengers, I really do hope we get some players in, even if it’s a short term deal to boost the squad and morale.
As for Rooney, well he’s improved since joining us obviously but parts of his game has gone backwards, he used to be MUCH more clinical in his finishing, he had more guile, pace and even more skill. Rooney is now 26 and I don’t think he will improve as a player so this is it, sure he’ll hit great veins of form and play to his potential but he’s been playing first team football for nearly 10 years now and the apart from his work rate the only other consistency has been his lack of it.
People may hate me for saying this and call me a glory hunter or something but if the vermin did offer £60 mil for him United should bite their hands off and get in 2 world beaters. The game has changed and while Rooney does posses talent that very few have, a lot of modern players posses what Rooney has and more. I mean we love to drool over Rooney when he’s good but technically Paul Scholes was better than Rooney in every way possible and when you saw Scholes play he was a true master in his position, the same can’t be said or Rooney and sadly it never will be.
If it wasn’t for Sir Alex I dread to think where Rooney would be now, Gazza comes to mind though
@CROoney
Manchester
Basel have this under control, don’t they?
no improvement in the 2nd half so far… i guess the players are so fuckin used to a hairdyer now…
FFS get Welbeck on now.
We need to get welbeck on
get scholes on.
Come on our luck has to change…
Omg… Almost a perfect own goal. We need to do some real work to get into this. Get Welbeck and Fletcher in for Young and Jones. Put Park out on the flank. Even though he can’t pass anyone… It’s better than young running around like a chicken.
I have been following United week in week out for more than 20 years now and truly I cannot remember worse United team as this season!!!
Looks like Rooney has given up cos he seems uninterested at this point. And for Young, i wonder what he’s still doing on the field
Welbeck please!
Napoli score, thank God.
Now let’s win this fucking thing!!!
Fuck yes, here comes dannny, no pressure lad
Nice, young out, Welbeck in.
Can someone tell us what was the point of buying Ashley Young?
Or equalise… you know what I meant.
Thank you!
oh i love Napoli.
Comeeee on Napoli!!!!!
somebody will get a boot in the forehead…
losers
I almost feel like crying with what I am watching right now.
@aimanunited
Young is a good candidate.
AntiScouser – pretty much, yes….if we can only get through the next round so that i don’t get that much stick from my mates…only the next round because i know that this team can’t get far..
Ashley Young has been gash for weeks. Has to be said.
It’s not our season, simplly not good enough
COME ON THE REDS
moments like these are when Chicha is badly missed!!
@CROoney
Scouse friends?
what we miss is someone like Scholes who controls the game.
AntiScouser – nah…i’m in croatia so there are no much scousers around here – more like “ordinary” friends because they know i talk only about utd
@Fred – agree mate. But I would have prefer to keep him. Park’s first touch has been worse than a child molester
Offside or bloody not… He just can not score
i can’t believe how people overrate players ! jones ?! THAT TALENTED ! IF HE’S SUCH A TALENT THAN MODRIC WAS MESSI AT HIS AGE
I can’t believe this, come on lads…
2-0 Napoli. Thank goodness.
NOW COME THE FUCK ON UNITED!!!
COME ONE UNITED!
Hoping this game is one where we snatch it at the end like usual. Have to say the ref is getting his orders from Platini. Very one sided calls- should have been a PK for Rooney!
Anyone else feel like this is the Newcastle game all over, except with much higher stakes?
This is not looking good. Gibson to turn it all around?
Say what you will about me being pessimistic but I am a realist. I do not expect this team to win ANYTHING this year. SHOCKING stuff here.
Oh pleaaaase anyone – just score!
Basel park the bus…
when we were knocked out by mourinho’s porto, our excuse is scholes’ goal was wrongly ruled out for offside so what is it this time? we can’t even scored an offside goal FFS…
is this the beginnig of the end of english domination in club football ? both manchester clubs out
Lacking cohesion
danny – Same here. Dunno what’s wrong but we’ve become so predictable.
COME THE FUCK ON UNITED!!!!!
UGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
GOAL!
COME ON UNITED!!!!!
not.
Positivity please fellas.
Not funny Zelh.
For all the people that keep raging people who are raging the team for these sorry performances saying “get behind the team”, at what point are we within our rights to call or demand that the team get behind us?
Why not Valenica?
take giggs off – he can’t keep up
Worst thing is: even if we scored, I’m not sure we would hold onto it.
oh fuck – mahceda comes on—desperate !
Can Kiko save us again?
Macheda and Welbeck – please score~~~~~~~~~~~~~
3 strikers on
Fred – sry. Couldn’t resist. Still no urgency there.
It’s Kiko time!
Come on, lad!
WHY THE FUCK HAS VALENCIA NOT BEEN BROUGHT ON? WHY IS RYAN GIGGS STILL ON THE FUCKING PITCH? JAYSUS!!!
AntiScouser
Will we even score?
time for macheda to earn his stripes…. let’s go frederico!!
sir alex must believed in magic for bringing that kiko kid…
I believe in SAF but have to question his decision to leave Young and Park on the pitch for so long today. They practically did nothing but add to the disorganization of an already struggling team. As for Rooney, he needs to check himself cos we all know he has the ability
City are out of champs league..
for fuck sake, we need to score now
We are out! Fucking disgusting
I don’t believe it.
@The Truth
With this tempo, maybe in the opening game of 2013/14.
THURSDAY NIGHTS, CHANNEL 5 – HERE WE COME!!!
Fuck off cunts.. it’s over
Jesus christ..
the inevitable has happened..
we are fucked in the most horrible way…
In a car not sure whats going on but if its 2-0 What a fucking joke!!!
Over
thank you Rio! needed a good one there… all it takes is one good ol’ fashioned United go!
Well we’re out of the Champions league then!
So what next, another apology to the fans?
Rubbish!!!!!!!!!!
what the fuck is this shit????
damn
Fuck. Horrible. We don’t deserve to go through. This team is not good enough. Back to the drawing board and bring new faces.
europa league here we come!!!!!!!!
thursday nights…..
fucking shit
That’s it. This is a massive blow to the club in every way now, whether its morale on the pitch or on the balance sheet, this is a very bad time for united now.
so United in Europa League.
Fuck me..
Well done Manchester United. What a superb performance. Go out tonight and have a ball you all deserve it. clap clap clap. A JOB WELL DONE.
come on guys, get behind the team please…. haha
this is the most overrated generation in the recent history of man united…especially the “young talent”…absolutely horrible lumberjacks
Call me a revolutionary, but I think we need a bit of creativity through the middle – how about that Dutch lad Sneijder?
do we still believe in the myth of the infamous united comeback? haven’t seen one for a while… have the youngsters been schooled in it…? hope so! c’mon united!!!
Javier I miss you!!
the first time i say that fergie has to buy in january he has to no nonsense there is no value in the market etc. buy buy buy and if someone tells me we dont have to…
“United don’t lose matches, we just run out of time”
Ha. We wouldn’t score tonight even if we kept playing till midnight.
Kuanl
fuck off u twat…
Fuck off!!!! I can’t believe it !!!
Are you watching now Wakey? Lack of investment through the Glazer years?
Hope you are still in your bubble of stupidity.Now the shit hits the fan.
I will make a post not through tears, on football fancast tommorow.
Get the Glazers out of United.
Back to the drawing board.
Well I DEMAND we take the Europa League seriously. Lots of Sunday games coming up then!!! Champions League Final out in the group stage the next? This group was supposed to be easy and yet we’ve made them all look world class. (Judging this game on 65 minutes)
COME ON REDS
That first goal was unlucky- but that second one, inexcusable. Easiest draw and we can’t even make it past the group stages.
The thought of being aired on Channel 5 is just so cringe.
This must surely be the worst United team for a long long time!
JONES YOU BEAUTY!
We’ll support you ever more
One bad game – shit, fuck ,piss
United 20/12 – 2012
a miracle is coming????,,
COME ON REDS COME ON
what a season so far.
losing at home 6-1 to citeh and now out in the groupstage against the likes of basel and benfica.
never been that embarrassed since 2005
com eon jonesy again
yes we do!!!
Oh my God. Europa League? I never thought about that. I think I’m gonna die.
that smalling is awesome. will easily fill vidic’s boots for the rest of the season.
Complete shite not good enough for manchester united were awful and major changes need to be made in jan if we have any hope for saving our season it could be over in jan if city knock us out of the cup because this team won’t challenge city in the league.
Fucking come on!!
Well in, Jonesboy.
We shouldn’t be in this position
Is it over?
Nobody who watches us week after week can b surprised this team is not good enough we got away with it last season because every 1 else was shit. This team needs massive money spending on it .the only thing about going out is the ugly yank bastards wont get shed loads of money
I feel sorry for Sir Alex, its sad that he may offer another apology. There’s clearly a divide now between the way Sir Alex wants us to play. When Cleverly, Anderson and Nani etc are operating together (younger generation) the game flows. When the older players come into the team, the tempo goes too slow and they can’t keep up, leaving us with poor passes and movement off the ball as well as being predictable. They just seem too set in their ways to adapt to the way football is played now, the games are won in the midfield with creativity and ours is seriously lacking.
This is un-fucking-bearable! We don;t deserve to got through we haven’t convinced in any 6 of these games in what can only be described as a poor group. I feel sick at the thought of europa league football.
How Macheda missed form there will forever be a mystery to me but I’m not surprised. after all he is vastly overrated.
Come on!!!
@Hans oh please you didn’t say when we crashed arsenal chelsea and tottenham at the begining of the season, don’t write bullshits please!!!!!
Lets see how some forum members try to put a positive spin on this. GUTTED !!!
WHYYY WHYYY WHYYYYYYYYYYY
Fucking bad luck and poor finishing….
Roll on next season – oh wait, we still have the F.A. cup to play for…
There’s no crisis…a crisis would have to be addressed. At least we won’t have to hear the reason we don’t improve the squad in January is because a player is CL Cup ties. Small favors.
Now that VIDA is out, where will the leadership come from? Somebody needs to step up….mister ambition should put this team on his shoulders and see them through. But we need help in the middle, that’s for certain. This is embarrassing. Blame it on injuries all you want. But not going through on this group is simply EMBARRASSING.
cant explain this fucking pain…
time for some large gulps of rum…
depressed, fucked up, call wahetevr u want..
Well, well, well. SAF should utter only 1 sentence in the dressing room:
You’re embarrassing me, and you’re embarrassing yourself.
I look forward to hearing about all the positives we can take from that one.
Pathetic, utterly disgraceful and if any of you ‘supporters’ on here say things like ‘oh at least we can focus on the league’ then you too are an embarrassment to Manchester United.
Fergie you stubborn stubborn man this is what you get for not bringing world class players to the club at a time when it was most needed, if this doesn’t tell you we need an overhaul then i don’t know what will and if you don’t change it up then maybe he should look at himself.
Lost it at OT not here. Anyway got to look to the Wolves game now.
COME ON REDS, WE’LL NEVER DIE.
We didn’t deserve to qualify when we see our compaign !!!!!Come on utd !!!!
Dodgy ref. Dodgy pitch. Dodgy performance in the home game. And a bit of crappy luck.
Shit happens.
If anybody needs me I’ll be listening to Radiohead and cutting myself.
Oh dear.
Yes we really are a world class team aren’t we. Let us applaud the boys for their valiant performances this yrs campaign. WELL DONE. What an excellent performance from them all. They deserve two weeks off. they have worked so hard. GOOD JOB LADS!!!
Absolute disgrace. What a waste. Rio will be on Twitter later talking about how that wasnt good enough and that they need to improve…. again. Fucking shocking group stage for us. Thats between £40m and £80m lost as well on top of the embarrassment.
lets see the positives fuck off to everyone that dares to write that
we suffered alot over the years but thats just pathetic
strenghten the squad thx
Absolutely fucking gutted. For fuck sake, I have no idea where to fucking start. I know I’ll get slagged off, but we’ll win fuck all if we keep this bullshit up.
FUCKING BOLLOCKS FUCKING SHITE FUCK THE EUROPA LEAGUE FUCK THURSDAY FUCK UEFALONA FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK IM FUCKING LIVID. we love united we do oh united we love you.
The fairest result happened. Not one of the six group games were played convincingly. Either we’ve dropped a grade in Europe or we have not improved whilst others have (as SAF said in an interview recently). Is it any consolation that City didnt go through either? I think so, coz if they did, we’d never hear the end of it.
poor. Just poor.
@Fred
Looks like Boochy Baby will have to wait for her Kiss.
I swear to god…..BURN THAT FUCKING WHITE SHIRT TOO!
@Fred, The last time we failed to qualify for the knockout stages. We fucked our then entire team and put our hope in youngsters. We then went on to win 4 out of the next 5 PL titles and made 3 out of the next 5 CL finals.
Those are the positives we can take from that one, and I say that with a completely straight face.
Well hopefully we can blood the kids in the Europa, could give a fuck how we do in that as long as Ravel/Keane/Fryers et al get experience.
The easiest group by far and at least City go out with their heads where as we were PATHETIC, HUMILIATED, EMBARASSED, RIDICULED and there are probably more words to sum up how we didn’t get out of this cakewalk group.
there’s no positives from this game, vida out, united out.. what else?
we did not even learned the lesson from city’s defeat…
The whole team has been absolutely shit through out this piss poor group and all deserve slack, but De Gea has fucked up twice against Benfica and Basel and cost us badly! I use this word lightly but our players should feel ashamed. They have badly let the club down
Pathetic, utterly disgraceful and if any of you ‘supporters’ on here say things like ‘oh at least we can focus on the league’ then you too are an embarrassment to Manchester United.
Fergie you stubborn stubborn man this is what you get for not bringing world class players to the club at a time when it was most needed, if this doesn’t tell you we need an overhaul then i don’t know what will and if you don’t change it up then maybe he should look at himself.
Fergie is to blame. Simple!!
massive massive disappointment…. i just cannot bring myself to believe this…. let’s give the premierleague a fucking good push now….. this embarrassment will only be worth it if we win the league….
This hurts too much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont think SAF needs to wait for the end of the season to start rebuilding cos if we continue to play like this, we will not even make top 4 in the epl this season
knocking out from champs league,that means no purchase in january….terrible midfield play!! we can’t rely on wingplay all the time, what a terrible night…
Sometimes shit happens… hopefully the europa league will give us chance to blood some of the younger players.
if we are being honest with ourselves do any of us think we really were going to win the champions league this year? I rather go out now than be humiliated later by Barca or Madrid.
We will be back
He wants to build a new great team but the keeper and defence will need time and from his last great team he lost his only two world class players, Ronaldo and Scholes. They both got us through the last time we played good football (’07) and won the big cup (’08).
The current midfidlers might have the gall to claim they can replace Scholes, but morph Carrick, Anderson, Fletcher, Park, Giggs etc into one superhuman and I’d take a 35 year old Scholes every time.
The writing has been on the wall, the midfield a blindspot. What’s the point in playing Barca again on the counter, when you leave your only world class passer to play the ball to the quick players on the bench? And tonight, two strikers to save the day? It’s not as if we were creating chances.
We had the easiest group.
@Doghouse
You can’t complain about the pitch. That’s part of the package of playing in Europe. Even the refs cannot be relied upon coz refs from different leagues officiate with different mentalities. An English ref would give those tight one-on-ones in United’s favor.
Got what we deserved – Fuck All ..!! Team needs to hang their heads in shame, no excuses like injuries etc etc this was Basle for fucks sake not Barca. The rest of europe must be pissing themselves at our demise. Time for a major clear out
Gary – spot on. Finished third behind Basel and Benfica FFS.
What can be said about that?
totally devastated.
@ KR
if it was a “cakewalk group” we would have got out of it wouldnt we?
City did themselves justice by beating a good team at home. We couldnt beat a slightly above average team with all our experience and European pedigree.
Well played Basel, noone and nothing to blame but ourselves. Piss piss poor. And the worst thing is i cant see anything changing. What changed since shitty? nothing. And with Vidic looking out for a while…this season’s not gonna be fun.
There’s no excuse for this. Fergie has a big job on his hands. I just hope he has the funds and that he still has the ability to make hard choices regarding the team and the coaching set-up etc.
We would never have won the Champions League with this young team.
I don’t care for 2nd place. We had 2 in 3 years.
Let Saf buid and get rid. The only way is up.
SAF’s team selection was wrong in my opinion. Danny should’ve started. We looked better as soon as he came on.
mattos, you idiot of course it was a cakewalk, for any of the other big clubs they would have won 6 out of 6 but this embarrassing excuse of a side (Nani and Vidic aside) made it look like we played Barca 6 times.
Get you head out of your arse and see just how bad we were made to look by average teams.
Fuck this shit, I’m sick of it. I really hope pain on all the Utd team tonight – bunch of hopeless cunts. Sick to fucking death of these shit performances this season. Just pretty much trashed my flat. Some players need to be moved on. They have no support from me tonight. Shameful!!
And now we need to take the europa league seriously !!!!!
We’ll win exactly what we deserve this year, fuck all! To many players that are not good enough.
We were poor in all 6 games and if we’re honest, we’ve not deserved to go through.
Gonna be a loooooong season!
@rat1p
I second you mate. Any team now can beat united. They are playing so poorly.
Positives? My ass. I have been telling about doing sumthing and the these so called hard core fans say that we will bounce back. it is in our blood to step and turn things around.
What did i get? i was accused of not knowing united enough and that i want united to be like city buying rent boys.
Well, i tell you this, it doesn’t hurt to be critical and point fingers when something is obviously is not right. Accept your mistakes and try to rectify it. Know the limit of your ego.
United were lack in creativity, desire and fitness in this match from what i saw. Midfield was hallow and attacking was idea-less, if there is such a word.
I’m sorry for the reaction but in the truth the only ones to blame this sorry mess are the team itself
A 2 goal lead thrown away to Basle for a just about draw
A winning position against Benfica and then a suicidal stupid mistake again
Today again suicidal and then missing our chances
Everyone on the Glazers case is wrong United have themselves to blame for 2 CL defeats to Barca and this season stupidity of the highest order
United have got themselves to blame but this is a lining because this will hurt and I bet CL become easier to win because of it
Shock to the system yes, no doubt but reaction is wrong. United have themselves to blame and they need an ass kicking
Fuck me people it’s only a match it’s only a competition – the only thing in advice is to play a youthful team in the UEFA cup and thats it concentrate on the league and rebuilding next year.
19
everybody here knew that no one else can be blame for this embarrassment other than the players… so much for the believe and support, you just have to admit that they’re not manchester united tonight…
Good night our third exit in the Champions league group stages.I dont blame any of the players on show.I blame the lack of investment in the players we watch.Ulimately the funds supplied to the greatest ever manager in the Premiership.
Chelsea SPEND 147.8 Million pounds net per season.
Liverpool SPEND 68.35 Million pounds net per season
City SPEND 439.52 Million pounds net per season
Spurs SPEND 52.40 Million pounds per season.
The above over 5 years.
.
The meant to one of the three biggest clubs in the world.
Net spend per season.£10.2 MILLION.
LUHG.
The Europa league. The ultimate humiliation. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!
Basil!!
see you thursday in Albania
channel 5 is like a theatre of dreams
happy sunday football
Nev the Red
We are so fucking poor so embarrassing . This is the worse united team for the last 20 years
@Legolas
@KR
SAF is a legend and has the trophies to prove it. What do you know?
i’m devastated, absolutely distraught. there are players in this united team that don’t deserve to wear the shirt, i’ve banged on about creativity all FUCKING season and people say we’re pessimistic, NO IT’S THE FUCKING REALITY AND IT’S COME ROUND AND BITE US AT THE BACK, USELESS THE LOT OF THEM!!!
Deal makes a good point. The lost revenue in the Champions League will not be compensated by the Europa League, furthermore I’m not sure the manager will play a strong team in that competition. I personally think we should but will talk about that later. The lost revenue, don’t think we’ll be seeing any major purchases that many have including myself have asked for.
Why the fuck are we playing a 19 year old CB and a 38 year old winger in midfield!! We’re suppose to be one of the richest clubs in the world, buy a fucking creative midfielder and stop telling us everything is alight !!!
I’m glad you were able to maintain a straight face, Balaji. I certainly wasn’t
Got what we deserved in the end. Made a mess of one of the easiest groups you can ask for.
And I am glad that the usual scapegoats (aka Carrick, Gibson, Anderson, Evans and Berba) had nothing to do with this. Because at least now the blame will go to the person it should go to. And as much as I love Fergie, he’s the one that made a mess out of this group with his selections this whole time.
Better luck in the Europa League.
What did you expect with the likes of J.Evans, Park and A.Young? It’s a mediocre team, for the time being. Hope the old man starts taking control over those arrogant stars.
Still no value in the market eh fergie? Let’s keep playing this team EVERY GAME. They are so amazing. I think they can win the champions lge this year… OH WAIT.
If Fergie had any balls left he would be dropping Wayne fucking Rooney for the next game. Cringeworthy display from our supposed ‘saviour’. No one should be undroppable.
Also anyone who says that’s a fair result is crocked, somehow AGAIN another team has scored on both of their 2 opportunities while we couldn’t score in a whorehouse with a roll of hundreds. Until we get back to finishing like we were in the 1st 5 games of the season we’ll keep on with 1-0 or 1-1 results or like on an unlucky night like tonight we’ll lose Nani was in total domination mode and no one could make a fucking run or connect to his pin point crosses the entire night. We have lost all of our confidence inside the box, makes absolutely no sense to me.
motm for me ji sung park best striker ever better than heskey and how good is machedas finishing sublime
we were pisspoor. fucking get rid of white kits aswell.
fergie did it intentionally…Uefa League trophy is the only one he’s missing
The only thing I want to know is why Wayne Rooney is earning those extra bucks after Ambitiongate. I love him to bits and would rather watch him than any other player in the world, but this is the kind of game he was supposed to show he should be earning the big bucks and, in my opinion, he failed to do so. In fact, he fucking looked dis-interested for most of the game. It was like watching him playing after ambitiongate thinking in his huge head that the club are not meeting his ambitions. Seriously, he lacked drive and the usual hustle bustle also.
I wonder whether he will get screwed over by Denton like he does with Berbatov after the F.A. cup miss. If he doesn’t, then he’s a hypocrite. In fact, most of our fans are. If you aren’t going to slag off Rooney for that miss, then don’t slag off Berbatov for that miss also. As simple as that.
the 1-0 mentality shouldn’t be brought into european night…..that’s it, i’m off the to the pub!!!
The sooner United fans realise how bad we are especially in midfield when it comes to playing in Europe rather than this false hope of ‘oh we are United we’ll beat anyone’ the better.
Fergie deserves the most stick because he didn’t improve and buy players that WERE available instead he masked it with some bullshit excuse that there are no players out there.
England’s UEFA coefficient is going to a serious hit this season.
How one team manages to constantly make things harder for themselves is something I will never understand? Look at Madrid, they SMASH all the ‘little’ teams, and we can’t even DRAW against them- especially when there’s so much to lose.
The 6-1 battering was a one off? But was it really? Playing a weakened team against a championship side and getting knocked out doesn’t matter because we got bigger fish to fry- and then THIS?!
The less said the better.
Take a deep breath guys.
Things can’t possibly get worse.
@MG
Fuck you.
I’m running out of excuses!!! Really can’t stomach this!! If we can keep a clean sheet we have half a chance of winning. But it’s patently obvious that we can’t create or score goals!! Its not fucking rocking science!
Can you opt out of the Europa league? I don’t want it in our history books that we appeared in that competition.
and we cant win the europa league too guess why?
Utd are out because they failed to win two home games.
Fergie has failed to secure a top class medfielder and its sticking out a mile. a 38 year old and a 19 year centre in centre Midfield today. Utd are no longer a top 5 team in europe. No top team is scared of that midfield.
gutted… but honestly we deserved it… we’ve been able to beat only that shitty romanian team…
“And now we need to take the europa league seriously !!!!!”
Well, I hope we do take it fairly seriously. This team, with one world class player in Vidic (and perhaps Nani), isn’t above the Europa League.
If we don’t improve, I am afraid those 2nd tier teams in Europa league will shite on us..
what kind of stunt is United pulling this year?! With this squad, i guess it’s pointless if we proceed even to the semis. They’re not capable of fighting just yet. There was no pressure to the home side..
@KR
You speak the truth, I’m afraid. It’s sad.
Fibes – fucking blind loyalty tool. The real supporters are the ones who can criticise and openly admit when their team is not good enough instead of going along like everything is ok like you.
Congrats to Lyon. Tremendous rampage. We used to be like that!
I expect SAF to right the ship in january. He gave the squad a chance. He wont do it again.
How embarrassing it would be if teams like shakiest or Porto Valencia tear us apart…
hahaha Mr ambition was right to question this teams ambition. Everyone doubting saying he was wrong. a year later united out to basel and benfica. who would have thought Manchester united would be so shit to be shittier than them. i’m absolutely fuming right now
Nice one, Costas. The weakened team Fergal played against Benfica home and away, and Basel at Old Trafford look somewhat arrogant now.
buy heskey and a creative midfielder. job done.;)
Colbert, i only speak what everyone is thinking mate. When you’re relying on a 37 year old to do the business in midfield then it becomes a tad embarrassing.
freaking steamed right now! we sucked, let’s face it it would not have been deserved even if we got 2-2 we just didn’t deserve it at all!
Rooney is off form, our team is lacking a genuine leader, we don’t have creativity, just going through the motions really, and hoping that something clicks!
unbelievable ! fergie should get the players to shut the fuck up and concentrate on football, stop talking on tweets and shit! play fucking football and concentrate as a team. we are working as individuals at the moment and hoping that someone clicks and bails us out!
no one is good enough at the moment for our team and I mean it. who this season has been consistently good? all this talk about potential and youth is making me sick! balance is what we need, as a team!
just as well that we f$&@k off the champs league and go back to the drawing board. let the youngsters play in the europa and blood them good – this is a really bad season in the making
doghouse… brilliant!
you and me both… codex! from their much underrated album king of limbs…
Sleight of hand jump off the end
Into a clear lake, no one around
Just dragonflies fantasize
No one gets hurt, you’ve done nothing wrong
Gutted… :O(
“The Europa league. The ultimate humiliation. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!”
How is a European competition a humiliation? Methinks some people watch too much Sky Sports and think nothing good exists outside the English top four (and maybe Barcelona).
It’s not the competition it was but we aren’t above it right now. And huge clubs have won the competition in the past, although not so much in its current state.
Don’t be surprised if Rooney starts itching to leave.
@Fred
I can’t take any positives out of that match apart from the individual performance of Nani. What is it with Wayne Rooney aswell? He has done this through out his United career when he blows hot or cold going months without scoring, this is what seperatres him from being world class and a very good player, Rooney falls into the latter. How I miss Paul Scholes and Edwin Van Der Sar :’(
Red Neville – that kinda arrogance costed us…get of your high horse and respect opponents and competitions you’re in ! we approached with arrogance the entire group and we fucked it up…what’s wrong with Europa League ?! We’re obviously not good enough for the CL – let us accept that and start being modest for once…you english should use it – then you might stand a chance winning a trophy with the national team
@Balaji
Rooney’s radar was clearly off and it’s been so for nearly two months now. We know by now that when Rooney’s off, he’s off and really ordinary. He still hustles and bustles and makes fruitful passes but he can’t hit the target at all.
Let’s hope he heats up in late December early January.
Some right fucking stupid comments coming in. Just calm down and think rationally – we dominated the game, we had the most chances, it just didn’t happen. We’ve had a few of these on the bounce and looking at only the scoreline, appeared to struggle, but this happens.
Just because we’re United, doesn’t give us an automatic right to every final and every trophy going. The sheer genius of SAF might make it seem like that sometimes, but it fucking doesn’t. This is a transitional side that will come good, most definitely. In terms of Europe, just not our year. The worst thing we could do right now is lose faith in the players we have.
The kids would have done a better job. They might be inexperienced but would certainly would not have sat back and hoped their reputation would get them through cos that swhat i saw the likes of Rooney, Giggs, Young and Park do. And to think Rio got the armband after Vida went off and could not motivate them on the field, its aweful.
City was knocked out too but we saw them fight for their chance, we saw Olympiakos fight for their chance yesterday too but what did we do tonight?
I wont be suprised if the likes of Rooney would have thought to themselves that its impossible for them to be knocked out cos they wear the Man Utd shirt.
Someone needs to remind them that the Man Utd shirt is what it is today cos people fought for it and made sure the team is where it is today cos they gave their all. This team is a disgrace and they need to know it.
I had mixed feelings before game as I was undecided over if I wanted us through or not. For me it was hanging on how City did and with them out I reckon we at this stage of the season benefit from being out as well.
That said United always have done well when being involved on all fronts. Second goal shows what type of defence we can expect for the rest of season with Vidic out.
Those that felt sorry for the reserve players not getting anymore chances when we got knocked out a week ago at home to Palace can always see the positives in a Europa League run where those players will get the chance.
Over all the years of following United I have never felt like now because it is not in the least funny or exciting to watch the way United try to play.
In the long run this will affect the economy and might help us get rid of the Glazers but tonight we lost a lot of money that would have been spent on players so I expect the finances to look very poor.
One of few seasons to forget and we can only hope that this will inspire Sir Alex to to stop sulking over how the transfer market works at the moment.
Money talks, bullshit walks.
@Balaji. Ssshhh. Don’t you know Rooney is untouchable. He can do what he likes? Seriously though that was a shocking miss.
RedScot makes a solid point about our net spend (if those figure are accurate).
Match going fans. I have this to ask. Will you go to the Europa League games if he plays Carling Cup sides?
This is fucking dross.We have ourselves to blame.Garbage,shit.I’ve been up all night and sacrificed my sleep just to see this fuckwits do fuck all on the pitch.Rooney and Giggs past infractions showed on the pitch.Sleeping even with whores after we fans pay their astronomical wages.Alex is clueless n soon senile.Time to go coz our empire is crumbling.I would even take FSW right now.This is beyond me and i move to chelsea on loan with immediate effect!!!!
“Still no value in the market eh fergie?”
Genuine, potential world class talents like Ozil and Sahin went for £8m, what we paid for Bebe, but perhaps we couldn’t compete with Real Madrid
I only have one question: How the fuck does a professional footballer miss the chance Kiko missed? It is irrelevant that the ball somehow found the net in the end. It is fucking shocking! At least the he is cup-tied argument goes out of the window now in the january window. Ah well, we still have the no value in the transfer market bullshit.
Also, is Rooney ever going to score again? Will Evra ever be able to defend again? Is Smalling blind?
Thank God for Nani. And Giggs.
We never had a chance to win the CL anyway, but this is a fucking joke.
I bet even Europa League will prove to be difficult for united, the teams are pretty much on Galati, Basel and Benfica level. That’s just how bad we’re at the moment…
SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT BOLLOCKS FUCKING CUNT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT.
FUCKING SICK OF THIS SHIT
CUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Imagine the team with Juan Mata for example. It becomes ten times better and provides Rooney with a player who has a killer pass. But no Fergie Mata wasn’t available was he this summer? What a joke.
Glazers are just as much to blame aswell because they are not letting us pay the premium to get the big players in.
We have to be afraid of the Europe league because if we dont win the competition or at least get to the final, it’ll be an even bigger humiliation.
Every United player is better then any of Basel players but they beat us because they played as a team with plan in theirs mind.
We’re looked disorganised and out of ideas.We’re slow too.
Smalling looks more and more lost in full back position, Evra is ready for return in French league and Park is not good enough for United anymore.
I’m not sure about Nani. He must be retard or something.Although for many years at the club he didn’t progressed for one inch.Passing when he should shoot and shooting instead of pass or cross.
Only positive is Jones and around him, De Gea and Rooney we must try to build new team.
Thank Fucking God that was just the Man Utd – Barcelona rerun from earlier… for a second i thought that was our crunch game against Basel…. Phew!!!
@KR: You know what’s also ´´pathetic and utterly disgraceful´´?placing the same comment over and over again to get some fucking attention. Especially after a dissapointing evening like this. You ought to be fucking ashamed of yourself. Fucking wanker.
We’ll Never Die.
It’s as simple as that.
I remember when Utd beat Arsenal..people predicted the end/fall of Arsenal. Fast forward 2-3 mths later, it’s almost the exact opposite..granted we’re 12 pts behind City but seeing how both Manchester clubs fared today, surely there is hope for mankind
(Now let the hating begin)
FUUUUCCCKKKK!!!!
CROoney 21:45
I like your thinking mate. Got to take it and thats it.
Bounce back against Wolves Reds.
WE’LL NEVER DIE.
Does anyone know what SAF said after the match?
Well last time this happened, we bought Vida, Evra and Carrick. Basically we filled the holes in that side and we were off and running. And that’s what has to happen here.
As for the Europa League, some humility isn’t a bad thing. We’ve played there before (under its previous name) and we just have to do our best. Personally I hope we play strong sides there. A trophy is still a trophy.
I’m gunning for Ronnie at Real (I know, the Virus, but still…) and Arsenal.
@MG
Even though we had a problem previously I still needed to say now that you took the words out of my mouth.
Would an injection of new players help Rooney score a goal from 1 yard out? It’s a season of rebuilding, very obvious. Players are being experimented in new positions, and plenty of permutations in team sheets. This is maximising game experience at a risk of under-achievement. One year is an ok sacrifice if we can get a solid base of young players for the next 2-5 seasons.
@Gary
Rooney played well. His big miss in the first half, he just couldn’t read the ball coming in as the surface in the area was horrible, it slowed the ball up and he overshot it. Just bad luck. His overall play was magnificent throughout, and deserved more out of the game.
@KR
I’m with you. I’ve been skeptical for a long time, but I hoped that Fergie knew what he was doing. Sadly, he didn’t. If he doesn’t strenghten in january so that we can at least give the league a real go i’ll know for sure he’s full of shit regarding the Glazers.
Balaji – I’m no hypocrite, so I’ll say it: that miss by Rooney was Berbatov-esque. Shocking.
Rooney was right – no ambition at this club. Not getting the best players in the world and not playing good football.
Can we please just all agree that the only reason we won number 19 was because the other teams were that bad and we were opportunistic. I don’t think in the slightest we would have won the league last season if any of the other top 4 had stepped up.
@Balaji, Notorious
In fairness to Rooney, he was preoccupied with tomorrow’s decision. We all know what happens when his ambitions get tangled…
WTF! Rock bottom……. We’ve playing like shit for the rest 3 months(game vs Newcastle – only exception), our attack is POOR, we cant score even if we create chances. Rooney’s form is a disaster, Chicharito can score from 5 meters only and is inivisible for the rest of the game…. and still Berba doesnt play at all(he’s a fucking goalscorer for gods sake and i know hes injured..). Our midfield is shit, look how many mistakes we did tonight.. and still we rely on young Cleverley and 38 year-old Giggs.
Our defence is poor, when Vidic’s not around and now he is injured again.
Kiko hardly plays at all, how can we rely on him to win our matches?!?!
And the sad thing is that we have no fucking luck this season. Whenever somebody plays good, he’s either injured or suspended after that(Cleverley, Carrick, Vidic etc etc)
Last but not least, we have plenty of young talent but still this season seems as a lost one in their sake… I hope our luck with injuries to go around, Berba to play more, a fucking midfielder to be bought or even loaned this winter and rooney to be replaced when he plays poorly…
Have a nice night and pray we improve our form till January.
After last season’s defeat to barca in the final, the team should have been overhauled. an ageing giggs should have retired, park was an embarrassment tonight, he was a headless chicken all night, creative he certainly isn’t even his reliable energy has fucking deteriorated, the midfield was poorer than ever. young finally gets exposed for the one trick pony he is, created fuck all night but he’ll get paid at the end of the week.
United look sluggish, one paced, out of ideas, lacks energy, no creativity and can’t score at the fucking right moment.
United fucked up through out the group stages and deservedly demoted to the europa fucking league, stan fucking collymore, see you there.
@ CROoney: what’s a matter, born without a sense of humour?
Never post on match days…….
Just have to say this……….. James you beauty
I know we all are hurt.
but some of the match day WUMs arent stopping their spam…
and some of the idiots fantasizing on world class players,
what good will they be if we make defensive errors as in this season this competetion…
fuck with it,
good night
ease up KR you fucken wank, you see it differently to how i do. did we get done? yes. was it an easier group than we’ve had before? yes. was it a cakewalk like you said? no
This is the time you’ll see fans like the ones Annie Eaves spoke about in her article during the summer. The ones that go, “I told you so!” just to rub it in our faces. To me, these are not United fans, at least the proper ones. There is a lot of difference between criticism and taking piss at your own team when they are down. I am not asking for blind support because that would be bad, but criticism without condescension is all I ask for. The one who condescend on the team, Sir Alex, the management and the Glazers are not United fans. Period.
As for me, I don’t understand how anyone can blame the Glazers for this? They gave Sir Alex 50 million to spend on new players. He chose to spend it on a goal-keeper, a winger and the next Duncan Edwards. Two out of those three have more than paid for their money’s worth. One was finding his groove before he got injured. It is also hard to argue against the fact that we’ve been unsettled by a string of injuries all of which were unexpected.
None of the above are excuses for our failure to qualify out of what was, at least on paper, the easiest group out of all the big teams. We were fucking complacent in the home game against Basel which is usually not a word you associate with us. That cost us our place in the group. The home game against Benfica, you could consider as unlucky, but all of this goes back to that one fucking home game where we were seriously fucking underwhelming as Costas has pointed out again and again.
@samuel – united WE stand
Think you’re massively overreacting TBH.
Red Neville says:
“Can you opt out of the Europa league? I don’t want it in our history books that we appeared in that competition.”
AC Milan, Juve, Bayern have appeared in it recently and took it fairly seriously. In its past state giants like Juve, Real Madrid, Liverpool and Ajax have won it. I think these kids HAVE TO LEARN TO PLAY EUROPEAN FOOTBALL. Mourinho took it seriously before winning two CL’s. Benitez even took it seriously before winning the CL. Villas Boas took it seriously… the list goes on.
I guess people are feeling raw right now because the arrogance and ignorance is what I’d expect from a modern Chelsea supporter
Dakduivel, bla bla bla keep talking out your arse and moseying along thinking all is well.
You don’t realise that if we don’t keep up our success then the debt at this club will burden us for YEARS. This is a huge deal and you act like it’s ok with your clichés.
@Bajali….good point. But I don’t see any of our “youngsters” pulling their weight and becoming exceptional, aside from Jones.
I still have high hopes for Welbeck, but he needs a run. This is his time, now that Chicho is injured.
Kiko is not good enough….a couple of lucky goals 3 seasons ago doesn’t justify poor performances.
Smalling has looked pretty bad lately, but that can be due to being played at Rightback when he is clearly a CB.
Evans…..OK player, but he is no Vida or Rio.
The twins….good players, but too fragile.
Pogba, Morrison, Fryer, King, Pettrucci…..none ready to break into a starting 11 yet.
guys, do you remember back in 2008 when we had rooney,ronaldo and tevez up front ?! we were by far the most frightening team in the universe…sadly, tevez turned out to be a derranged cunt, ronaldo was sold and we’re left with only rooney and nani with nani being more consistant !
now i expect some dumbass to come here and say how the reason for this is tom-pass-and-move-cleverley’s absence !
forget about him, forget about jones, forget abous smalling…those kinda players are okay, but they won’t win you anything…we need modric ASAP – the guy influences the play of the team like no other player in the league apart from silva – get the quality in as this is a result of a sistematical weakening the team
@Fibes
He wasn’t magnificent at all, and who cares if he played well when he can’t stick the ball in the back of the net? Like someone said earlier, he shouldn’t be this inconsistent at his age. These incredibly long stretches without scoring that he has EVERY season are just not good enough.
antiscouser
He’s not been on yet.
Cedars
What I do What I do?
Just wondering, what was it like, here, in ’05?
Agreed Costas. Need to take the Europa League seriously. With the amount of injuries and poor form, lack of investment, youngsters not ready for the first team. I think the league has gone, we’ll plug away but all those factors especially the injury thing will fuck us up in the league.
Face it, this was an easy group and our arrogance especially the Basle home game fucked us up.
@Balaji – well the team certainly can expect one big rollicking plane ride back home.
Hope Rooney is left out of the Euro Squad after this. The team was absolutely poor in the final third. They weren’t even pressing forward to put pressure on the Basel players when they had possession, even on 85 mins! The glaring miss by rooney and park earlier in the game right after basel scored. And to the guy above who said nani was putting in pin point crosses – i know this will sound like a throwback to three years back but Nani was also trying to do things on his own. I’m not criticizing the guy, he was by far the best in white/black on the field today. But, there were times when a pass instead of going solo would have been a better choice.
That still doesn’t take away the fact that rooney’s touch was back home in England, Giggs can’t man the midfield for 90 mins. Losing Vidic took out the aggression at the back. Smalling wasn’t up to the mark.
All in all, some introspection is the need of the hour. The question that needs to be answered honestly by the squad is do we really want to win. Do we really want to go flat out game after game to stamp our authority on the ‘beautiful game’ and be remembered as proper United players, not just for a part of their career (however successful) here but for every god damn day they breathed United.
Nonetheless, love united. did, do, will always. come what may.
@Balaji
So someone who “condescend on” the Glazers are not United fans? What a silly thing to say. Heavens forbid anyone dare to critisise the widely hated owners of a football club!
@Devil310
I’m pinning my hopes on Tunnicliffe, Morisson and Fryers. I dont like Pogba’s attitude.
Chaosred
Mr Ambitious was the source of embarrassment today. Got a sitter and missed. He was just SHIT, and that’s putting it mildly. With the wages he is on, we could’ve got another world class player that doesnt cower away from pressure.
Well Fergie is playing a touchy game integrating youth into the set up and not acquiring guaranteed world class talent for the center. The process is inherently fragile and sometimes /this/ will happen.
Still fucking Basel. Christ. Not even a Valencia, villareal or hell Lille…
For me this is the same as when we went out in Gothenburg in 1994 even though that side proved to be full of great players who went on to do well elsewhere. I doubt that we will ever hear about these Basel players ever again.
@Notorious
Mate we have no choice the payment comes out automatically.
@Fibes
Its not over one game mate and you can say we played well but i disagree we played ok as they were fucking awful and at the moment we are inept of unlocking the door. Midfield options are fucking terrible I cant express how much us as fans have to see us not add and replace Keano and Scholes. As a top european side for us not to add it is ridiculous.
All
We can dress it up as much as we can we are so far off being a top side its untrue. Youngsters coming through are not ready, Spurs have a better midfield, we abused pool for being Europa league and we will get it ten fold.
This team is not wank but it certanly isnt capable of being a top side in Europe. I am not going to single players out I cant be arsed but the Nani knockers can fucking pipe down as that kid is our only world class player at the moment.
When will enough be ebough and we add the qulaity that is needed being the biggest team in the world and the fans like myself will have to pay for it with ticket prices and having to pay for fucking Europa leage games at £40 a fucking pop.
Colbert
Your balls are lacking intent juice I have no need to fuck myself your doing a swell job to yourself
The shit has hit the fan quite rightly it hurts but what a fucking comedy show we have here where United fans are blaming xyz
The truth is no, the truth is United fucked it up by simple mistakes at OT against Basle a game we were winning 2-0 and against Benfica when we were winning 2-1 – with stupid stupid errors.
So yes tell MG to fuck off, tell MG what a fucking bastard he is, tell MG its the Glazers fault this that and everything else in motherfucking cuckoo land
But MG knows – injuries have hurt United – it’s bare to see for all – sometimes this shit happens – though I for one never saw it coming today never especially with that team out today
You and none of you who cannot address and balance the argument are not a fucking matchstick for me
You carry on lighting yourself up – I’m a Manchester United fan that is hurt today but see the bigger picture – ultimately the man in charge will make it right again all be it sometimes he gets it wrong but sorry in any of the games I’ve mentioned he never fucked it up – his team did.
So get off your motherfucker high horse and don’t talk to me again – and I for one am out of here until you calm down and see things.
Blinded by a loss fuck me. Whoopee big fucking deal there is a game to win Saturday and keep the league going.
19 And see you all laters now I know how King Eric has felt in the past
utdlad, i wish every supporter saw it the way you do. Hate it when people think all is well when in reality it ain’t.
mattos, please tell me how that group wasn’t a cakewalk? Basel, Benfica and Otewhothehellareyou Galati?? You are fuckin jokin right? If any of the other big clubs had that group i GUARANTEE they would have won 6 out of 6.
@Costas
Zing! Nice one, friend.
Rooney is not better than the club. – (sorry I clicked submit too quickly)
Obviously I’m not going to slate any of our players, they don’t go out and lose on purpose, but when is going to come together for us. Our performances haven’t been United performances since Arsenal. The closest we’ve come to a United performance since then was Newcastle and we didn’t win that! I support us to the death but surely this needs fixing?
Well played.. on Basle’s side of course.. I understand Sir Alex’s view for potential in youth and the future of our club. However, it is unacceptable for players in the first team to have the flaws you’d expect from a pub player. Playing for England’s first flight, specially United, means you need quality to show throughout the complete game in which you are allowed to perform. I never though I would say this, but my patience with the Gaffer has come to its end. The problems controlling games is evident and the boss does not invest in improving the team. I’ve always reserved respect to a player that wears the Manchester United uniform, but let us not be blind to the fact that players like Evans, Gibson, Macheda and the twins have potential, but for the time being, that is it! Just potential and their less than impressive performances have cost the team dearly!! Other teams may ne buying blindly, investing ridiculous amounts of money in mercenaries. However they do it with one sole intention: winning matches.. I love Manchester United to death!! There will never be a greater love in my life!! But it will pain me deeply to see our lads humiliated at home by the bitters, out-played at home by Crystal Palace, unable to score to save our run in the Champions League, looking forward to “teaching” barca’s level and pretending the current squad would have been capable (even if the point had been earned at Basle) of moving any further down this competition..
The biggest threats in the Europa league appear to be City, Ajax, Porto and Valencia.
@MG
You’re a complete psycho. Useless internet warrior.
Balaji. Its quite simple why the glazers are cunts. No offence mate but if you haven’t ever been a regular match going fan you won’t get it. We buy players but also offload some to balance the books. We saved a ton of money on wages this summer.
@Costas Whats happening tomorrow?
@Colbert
Well he’s been shifted from pillar to post throughout the season, as well as tonight (played for a period out on the left). Versatility is great but when you have a player who relies on confidence for goals, to go on scoring runs, then you just can’t expect Wayne to pull in goals wherever he is.
Tonight he played the full-on centre forward role quite admirably, he held the ball up well, dropped deep at the right times, always tried to make himself available in the area despite both centre halves having a clear 6-8 inch height advantage over him. His miss that everyone seems to be calling him for held up off the surface. He gave his all, and I don’t think we can ask anything more of him.
@Fibes
“he just couldn’t read the ball coming in as the surface in the area was horrible, it slowed the ball up and he overshot it.”
That comment did make me laugh thanks for cheering me up. It was more to due with the fact the dozy twat wasn’t sharp and concentrating and fluffed an open goal but cheers for trying to put a different spin on it.
replace europa with champions….would make this night irrelevant…
would be interesting to see the line up there….
@Notorious
Not sure about the league just yet. History has proved that the team can turn it around after disappointments. But it may come down to Vidic’s injury. If we hold on until he’s back, then maybe we can make a run for it. Keep in mind that there’s a possibility that the league will be our only big target after Jan 8th. If we lose at the Etihad and if we treat the Europa League like the Carling Cup that is…
Whatever the case, I am really not fussed about tonight. Sometimes you need slaps like this to get your act together.
United fan for 19 years and believe me I’ve seen some BAD nights, but tonight’s disappointing result is up there with the worst results in my time. Like someone mentioned earlier, its not tonight’s result which has knocked us out its been the performances over the past 6 group games!! The teams too weak to compete with the best of Europe at the moment and when I look down the group tables I embarrass even more cuz we had a fucking PISS easy group compared to the rest of the groups. For those who will comfort in the fact that Citeh are also out, GET REAL at least they fought hard in there matches and had a much more difficult group to qualify from in there debut season. They’ll come back next year stronger and thats a FACT, can we honestly say United will??
As I sit here the phone buzzing away text after text so far 60 odd received from people hoping to pile on more misery with taunting comments about Uniteds exit, its not the taunting that hurts but the fact that I cant reply with my head held high despite being knocked out like I have in the past.
oh and another thing – get off rooney’s back – he’s not the problem – the problem is lack of class…come on , you can’t expect to win a match with a fosile ( sorry giggs but it’s time to go) , bunch of rookeys , shaky defence and lack of flair up front…young lacks experience while jones and smalling are hard working players who do everything by the books but you can’t expect them to add a flair and drag you through a tough matches…you look at the bench and what do you got ? the lack of creativity-defensive midfielder fletcher, the average carrick, the fucked up mentally berbatov, the absolute waste of oxygen mahceda and diouf and company….arghhhhh !
CROoney says:
“guys, do you remember back in 2008 when we had rooney,ronaldo and tevez up front ?! ”
They played better football the year before with Saha, but in ’08 they were more solid. It’s not only Ronaldo whose gone, but Scholes. Hargreaves was important that season. The defence has aged (I think injuries and rotation hurt the consistency of any defence) and the keeper, well, it’s going to take some time.
07 and 08 have gone. Queiroz has gone. The solid base of the back five has gone. The fantasy has gone. The two world class attacking players, Ronaldo and Scholes, have gone. Those days have gone, time to look to the future and that also involves competing with City on three fronts this season. We were never going to win the CL this season, unfortunately.
before the game: don’t worry, we’re manchester united, we’ve been to final 3 times in the past 4 years, just Believe, and if we’re behind, we can always score late goals, it’s in our blood, we also have some great youngsters who can do great things…and our opponent is just Basel…haha, that’s easy…
after the game: oh, fuck!
Can I be excused for feeling relieved that we will not play Barca in the final again and get beat?
Is it ok to not like the champions league and to prefer the premier league?
Does anyone else feel like me now?
The Truth, but he was a 100% right when his contract was up for discussion and he mentioned the clubs ambition wasn’t he?
Why are we playing Jones in midfield? He’s a defender and a fucking brilliant one at that but instead you put him up against technically superior players like Shaqiri and make him look ordinary. Put him in the back 4 with Vida and we’ll be rock solid.
@giggs12gerrard0 – I feel sorry for you mate. We both know what team the manager will stick out and the fact you lot have to pay full wack for it is a fucking joke. Hence why glazers are cunts. I hope they don’t jack the prices up by a fiver per round because that would be a piss take.
Rooney also was pathetic in front of goal, even bent would have gobbled up chances from a yard out, his all round play wasn’t that bad but he had chances but wasted them.
Fergie has to take immediate action, a thorough revamp of this team is urgently needed the team needs quality not fucking work horses, it’s all good having belief in your players but not when they aren’t of the required quality to challenge at the top level.
Keepers are entitled to mistakes and de gea did fuck up tonight but he’ll come good given experience.
I’m emotionally FUCKING shattered, looking at that team, i felt helpless knowing nothing can be done and united were getting knocked out.
Basel were always gonna get a goal on the FUCKING break, conceding early against such a well drilled team is a FUCKING disaster, they have clever experienced players up front.
Be a while before I enjoy a bit of Toblerone again.
@crooney totally agree with you mate, Modric should have been our number one target even ahead of snjeider. He’ll be hard to get though given where spurs our right now. I think the first thing we need to do is for SAF to figure out each players best positions, just FUKING play them there and a firm first eleven. i get the injuries caveat but god i’m so tired of the chopping and the changing. we started the season so well cause we came in on the back of players playing in the best positions and with each other game after game, there was fluidity. I wouldn’t care as much if we lost today and played good football, but what the hell was tht!
Can’t help but sound like a broken record but the problem for the past 3 years has been the midfield. Forgive me if I sound like I’m educating you guys but the simple philosophy of football is that the midfield has to start the play. For us, right now, our play begins with our wingers. That’s not ideal football. Eventually we’ll become impotent.
Someone in an earlier thread wondered if the suspension to Carrick would haunt us. It certainly did because I think Mike would have made quite an impact on the game. He knows how to distribute to the wings but occasionally make a pass up the middle or run up himself.
we need players who can wriggle their way or have four eyes; two in front, two behind. Everytime our players run into walls they just turn-round n pass sideways n backways. We are so offensively bankrupt without our wingplay u wonder wat they do @training sessions. And our scouts are the worst…they always avoid proven talents for dodgey talents..hmmm. Rooney is way better than Aguero, yeah ryte!!
and please don’t anyone say how this is all a coincidence – the city humiliation, the palace humiliation,the basel humiliation x2, the otelul galati humiliation( won by 2 fucking penalties) and the benfica result are evidence of the lack of quality!
KR i agree we won becuase others was weak…
STAMpede, i did say it was better to get humiliated earlier than go along all the way and get spanked in the final for the 3rd time. But seriously if you prefer the league to the biggest cup in the game then you are proof of no ambition.
I don’t care about beating Norwich and thinking we’re good, i care about beating the best and PROVING we’re good which we’re clearly clearly not because we couldn’t get out of a piss poor group.
Time for Fergie to go as he is too old for this level now, this is a nightmare!!!!!
@Saad
They are all indeed big threats to us in the micky mouse league I mean europa league, but you forget to mention Fulham, they have pedigree in this competition.
Blimey over 400 comments.
I wish SAF stand would make this much noise
Looking at the Lyon results just makes me feel worse. THEY had to score like 6 goals or something to qualify- we only needed a draw. Before the game who would you bet against?
I had not been looking forward to this match for this exact reason! We are slow on the ball, lack creativity and imagination in attack, and we have lost that dynamism when playing football. you know that never say die attitude which we have been famous for the last 15 years, the unpredictability its all gone!
There is no doubt Fergie has mellowed in his old age, but is he really going to allow Evans to continue making mistakes, the midfield lack creativity and stand for this load of shit!
I genuinely believe he is not that naive and will now realise exactly what needs to be done and will do it for the good of the team and the club,this may be the best thing that could have happened although it feels like shit at the moment.
LUHG
Colbert
If thats your assessment thats fine clearly something bad has happened and everyone is entitled to have a go, but if you think that then it’s you loss not mine.
I’ve learnt my lessons here – I no longer want to be a part of this ridicule if I wanted to stretch my keyboard warrior end game I’d quite happily blow you out of the water
But what the hell I’m the motherfucker for loving my team anyway and well your right I’m wrong I have no need to insult you or belittle you.
Sorry for the reply I really am off.
@giggs12gerrard0
We played well. Maybe didn’t create quite as many chances as we deserved but I think we did enough on the night and could have won quite easily. Their first was a freak goal primarily caused by the injury to Smalling, you can’t legislate for that, and it was entirely against the run of play. So 9 minutes gone, we’re on the back foot.
The way Nani/Rooney/Park/Giggs in particular tried to get at Basle was fine. I would have liked to have seen us reshuffle after the injury to Vida but you can understand the reasons why SAF would play it safe.
The worst thing we could do at this stage is sell ourselves out like those shameless Poznan-dancing classless cunts from down the road, It isn’t us and it historically isn’t the way we do things. Class comes from within, and we have players both in this squad, and 12 months away that absolutely have that class.
What this side need is patience, not massive overreaction and looking and what our rivals chequebooks are saying. We’re better than that.
Phil Jones: 2 goals in 2 games. Loving it!
some are saying that history proved that united will comeback etc etc but that was done with different players, with different skills, different attitude, different reaction towards defeat and much more…
although we still have the same manager, it doesn’t guarantee that the players will react the same to Fergie’s word and tactics especially during this era where money is top priority…
@Tgan
I don’t think you’ve once made a worthwhile comment on here.
mara, it’s not even a statement is it, it’s actual fact that we were really bad last year but others were worse however you see the difference this year when a team like City steps up they make us look like schoolboys.
@MG – Agree with what you say mate. But the bigger problem now is finding where the leadership is gonna come from. Who’s gonna but this team on his shoulders and carry us on to #20?
I believe this is both Nani and Mr. Ambition’s time to become greats. We have been wounded before, but we have pull it together. But now with Vida gone, and those 2 players coming in and out of games, I’m getting discourage that we have what it takes to maintain our recent success.
@ Saad – finally!!! someone appreciating the role carrick has played in the last month and a half! He is not an attacking midfielder anymore. No. Not the 7-1 roma midfielder. He’s the sweeper and deep lying mid. He gives a fluid diamond shape to the midfield when he plays. Thats where United can go forward with 5 players in the final third supported by the 2 full backs, knowing that there’s a guy standing just near the centre circle behind whom is the monster from serbia.
@MG _ we played well ??????
if by shaking every time the opponents sniffed around or box means well, then yes, we did play well !!!! absolutelly horrible, slow,sluggish performance with no men in the box for most part of the game
In the past I have always had this feeling after a bad performance that Sir Alex will make the players go out and kill the opponents in the next games but sadly tonight I do not expect that at all and maybe that shows the big difference between then and now.
They simply have no clue how to attack or get about it round the penalty box. Movement off the ball is so bad and we end up relying on Nani to produce the goods. Have we ever had players that shoot as badly when they get the chance and why do they seem to hesitate when they have the chance to put it away?
@ Costas:
“Sometimes you need slaps like this to get your act together”.
I was hoping that the humiliation by Barca was the slap to move on to higher plains of performance.
no matter what the optimist utd fans say, theres no imagination or invention there, anyone can see it!
I know its transition time but the midfield is awfull and we all know it. more than half the prmeiership has a better midfield pairing than us so theres no chance in europe.
im glad in a way because maybe they’ll wake up and smell the coffee. changes are desperatlt needed.
if vidic s out for the season then our season is over and thats a fact.
sorry, ma last comment was meant at Fibes
@Saad….LOL…love it mate! that’s the spirit
@Legolas
Aguero is a classless cunt. Wash your fucking keyboard out.
@Gary
Dont diss the Europa League, bruh! if we get knocked out of that as well by some second-rate club, it’ll be an even bigger embarrassment.
A trophy is a trophy. Let’s go for it.
@Notorious
Sorry for the delay. I believe tomorrow Rooney will find out if his Euro ban will get reduced.
@parryheid
No need for that I say. It’s a tasty chocolate. Don’t let football come between you and the pleasures of life.
sheppertonni – our season IS over and that’s a fact…city have faaaaaaar better side, have 5 points advantage and don’t participate in the CL as well…plus they have more talent for rotation in the UL
@Fibes
I’m not blaming him, I just think it was a bit over the top to call him magnificent. He was decent enough. And we have far bigger problems than him and his lack of goals.
Well anyway we had no chance against other teams, I hope Fergie open your eyes and see reality. The cup was between Bayer, Real or Barca. Congratulations to Basel.
@CROoney…mate, I know you’re Croatian and all, but as far as I know, Modric wants to go to Chelsea
I don’t care if it takes an oil billionaire to do it but i just want this club to get back to where it was and play with some pride and passion with the best players in the world coming here instead of across the city to eastlands.
We all begged for a player like Sneijder but United are so weak right now they can’t even pay today’s going rate in wages to get players like that, it’s pathetic when you think we bought Veron as if it was loose change from our wallet.
The Euope League R32 matches will fall after Chelsea (a) and Liverpool (h) and then we come back 2 days later to play Norwich (a). Somewhere in there is going to be an FA Cup game as well.
Crunch!
MG
I love my team too. Its just not falling for us atm. It will, these injuries are a pain in the arse atm but my team should have made this a non contest at OT. I can live with it and I’ll still owe the Tax man his share of my earnings wether we won or lost. This will mean more Sunday games. GRRR.
@CROoney
You can disagree with me, that’s what having an opinion is. But considering the heaviness of the pitch (difficult to tell because all the water made the ball skip off it quicker than it usually would), I thought we did a plenty good enough job tonight to get a result. Unfortunately the result never came, these things happen but it’s certainly not a time for overreaction and scapegoats.
Devil310 – modric wants to go where they want him, and at chelsea they want him…listen it’s not that i’m biased, really, but i don’t see anyone influencing the game like he does…not even sneijder…sneijder is kinda trequartistta while modric is a typical playmaker and we need excactly that _ a playmaker, not a finisher like sneijder /VDV
@MG
Apology accepted. Thanks for not blowing me out of the water with your internetz skillz.
Also, i’m in a foul mood and your Glazer apologism annoyed me. That was all. Sorry.
@NRD, Fair enough mate! I never said the Glazers had “nothing” to be blamed for, but this situation we find ourselves in right now, cannot be blamed on them. Over a long term, yes, but this specific fuck up is definitely no fault of theirs is all I am saying.
@Colbert, Well, maybe not the owners, since they are going to be fucked over anyway. But, at this point in time, I would say that anyone who condescends on the team, Sir Alex or the management, is definitely not a United fan. I can take anybody criticizing anyone within the setup because God knows they all fucking deserve it after that fiasco, but do it with at least a semblance of level-headedness is all I ask for. Instead of saying, “I told you so.”, “Ha ha ha..”
Balaji – I agree with NRD about the Glazer cunts. We lost a goalkeeper and three defenders over the summer, so excuse me for thinking that the signing of a new goalkeeper and at least one new defender were bare minimum requirements. The Glazers deserve no extra credit for giving Fergie (some of) the money he needed to spend. That’s what they’re supposed to do, isn’t it?
Erikson, Banega, Cuenca, Shaqiri, Marco Rheus, Kwadjo Asamoah, etc… Fergie please!! dont make de Glazers look back cos u have unlimited access to de funds..n pls enough of British n portugeuse-root players. Aaaaarggghh!!
@CROoney
Spot on. Lack of quality in all areas.
Goalkeeper – inexperienced
Full Backs – either permanently injured (Da Silvas) or forgotten how to defend (Evra)
Center Backs – Vidic injured, Rio old, J.Evans being J.Evans
Center Mid – it terrifying to think we put Carrick, Park and Giggs up against Barcelona. Says it all really. No investment over the summer, only one thing was going to happen.
Wingers – Nani doing ok, but Ashley Young is about to play Europa League, a place where he belongs.
Forwards – Berba out obviously, great player, Chico injured, Owen injured, Rooney thinking about haircuts and wigs, Welbeck and Macheda too young to lead.
What is the problem? Four letters: LUHG.
@Costas – Cheers mate. Not been following that at all. Couldn’t even tell you Englands group. Hopefully Spurs go out of the Europa. Some tough ties in there. I’m being serious by the way.
@Red Neville
I think as Fergie grows older he needs more than one slap to realize some things. We just blamed that defeat on Barca’s brilliance and swept it under the rug. Maybe after tonight it will start to dawn on some that Giggs as a CM doesn’t solve any long term problems.
@KR
I know many people feeling the same and prefer PL ahead of CL and I think that has to do with the fact that we have proved that we can win it. PL season is longer and just means more to many of us and CL is still full of suspicious people running the business leaving us doubting that things are done the way they should be.
I can’t see a lack in ambition if one wants to win the league year after year and lets CL ambitions slip a bit for a period. We’ve just been playing 3 of the last 4 finals in the CL and so maybe some of us could be forgiven for not mourning our exit tonight.
For me the league will always be the biggest and greatest whereas a run and win in the CL is of course fantastic and all that but it is never gonna be number one in my book.
a couple of things… we’re not experimenting with players positions… we’re just playing people out of position because of suspensions and injuries. how can we be in a situation where we’ve got a 19 yo cb and a 38 yo playing in the centre of the park and there’s nobody on the bench to freshen things up and provide a bit of extra drive… legend though giggsy is and future legend that jones is neither would be our first choice pairing… that is shit luck. have half of these guys played a match together this season? giggs and jones? what’s with fletch? ando, clev and carrick out…
whoever is slagging Nani! wtf!!! best player by a mile tonight… sometimes taking on and beating 3 players… ffs. shocking comments.
at least we won’t have to worry about cup tied players come January! but the Europa might not be the draw that’s required for the names that always get mentioned.
Fibes – no worries buddy, but when is the time for (over)reaction if not after these , and i repeat THESE disgraceful results…CITY, OTELUL, BASEL X2, PALACE – how many wake up calls does one need
Fibes
I’m with you there. Can’t really fault the players tonight. If anyone doesn’t agree. Tough!
If Nani leaves we are falling out the top 4, when i think about it he is too good to be playing with players like Carrick, Evans etc. he could play at Barca or Real’s starting 11 easily.
@LEgolas
Oh, hell no, not Shakira. Guy’s tenacious but that’s all he’s got. Not good enuf for our midfield.
If Vida is out for season it only means the likes of Smalling and Jones will be even more ready for the 11-12 season. Of only it was our only concern out there..
Macheda summed the United team up tonight, can’t even score into an empty fucking net, pure fucking joke.
For the europa league, just play the youth players, lets see something different and if they get knocked out, great. at least we’d have seen something FUCKING different.
PSG and Braga hope they go out too.
Roy Keane:
“I think it reflects what United have done in truth, they haven’t scored enough goals and they haven’t beaten Basle or Benfica. People have talked about the young players – you’ve had Jones, Smalling, Young coming in, everybody building them up but they’ve got a lot to do, it’s a reality check for some. I’d be getting hold of some of those lads, saying ‘you’d better buck up your ideas’. United got what they deserved tonight.”
Keano on the money, as always. How we could use a character like him in our squad now.
is there anyway to make this pain go away?1st a 6-1 against the noisy neighbours now this?this stuff hurts.
Dont remember what the RoM folks’ opinions were about Modric but he still seems like the most obvious fit for me. His movement and ball retention skills suits United.
@KR – Sneijder has been injured all season, so thank you very much we didn’t spend 40mil on an injury prone player.
1. I hate it when people come in here and say if you say so and so you are not a Untied fan blah blah. I think that the intensity of being United fans varies but most of us want United to win. Period. Some like Cedars and Mr Oakley have United in their bloods, others don’t. But they still are United fans, imo!So no infighting please!!
2. As far as today is concerned, its a kick in the teeth no doubt. We didn’t cover ourselves in glory. There were individual mistakes and though we dominated, I am afraid the creativity was lacking. I think the desire was there but we did look toothless. But we do have great players like De Gea, Evans, Danny and Jones and they are our future. Of course they will make errors. Who doesn’t? But we need to stick by them and understand that greatness takes time to achieve. Its not a birthright.
3. As far as Mr Ambition is concerned, today I was very disappointed with him. Leave alone the missed chance, the spark, the fire was not there. It was almost like his mind was somewhere else. And it is quite unfortunate that we don’t quite have the quality to even replace an underperfoming rooney.
4. We as United fans, especially in recent years, have been used to seeing the best players in the world such as Cantona, Rooney, Giggs in his prime, Scholes etc. That has spoilt us and it is natural for us to expect to see the best players in our team. But, imo that SAF has his sights set on promoting from within a la Barcelona. They were not that great when their current crop were coming through. Were they? So let us be patient in slating the Great Man until he has played his cards.
5. For me, the criticism is not something I can define. It feels the same as watching when Roo and Ron were new in 2004 etc.. It was just that the time wasn’t right. Same for now. But I am certain that we will be back t our best within a couple of seasons and challenging on all fronts again. Things will fall in place lads. Trust me!!
AntiScouser, spot on mate. Everyone can see it apart from Fergie. The mind boggles just how dreadful this midfield is.
where the fuck was valencia tonight btw ???? with him on the right, our left side with nani could have been more usefull and that way we would actually have 2 FUCKING WINGS !
@Colbert
I don’t think we have any massive problems. This is a transitional side that need patience. Injuries have stolen us our first choice midfield from the beginning of the season when, going forward at least, we were unstoppable. When Rio and Vida have played together we’ve looked tight as a nut at the back. PJ offered some interesting options in the middle of the park too, plenty of good passing there, we have one *intriguing* player on our hands.
Rooney will come good too, i’d like to see him play more games up front with Welbs alongside him, that could be a reet rum duo, that.
There are so many more positives to this squad than negatives, I think the depth of our squad has until now managed to disguise just how much injuries have cost us so this season.
@bounce
The universe demands balance. We had our major ups last season. Some heartbreak was always going to be penciled into our destiny.
I’m actually laughing to myself in some sort of mad disbelief.
Perhaps this will wake a few fans up regarding The Glaziers and the lack of investment in to this squad.
Also another fair point would be SAF fielding weakened sides in the Champions League this season that did not get the job done. Qualify first and then let the fringe players have a chance.
Devil310, ok then how about Mata? How about the other countless brilliant midfielders that are out there for the right price?
Even an injured Sneijder is better than our midfield combined. It’s a fucking sorry state of affairs when Charlie Adam and Lucas are a bettter pairing than anything Manchester United can offer.
I shall rant later on in detail. But there’s unanimous negativity here, and should be that way. Impossible to say anything positive. I’m disgusted and angry more than I’m sad tbh, because it just rubbish atm. Out of 2 competitions in successive weeks. And I can’t imagine we’re in the Europa league. And isnt it worse cos we’d be playing thurs nights meaning lesser rest? Oh kill me. Just kill me. I’d like to say this for today’s game don’t call me a plastic fan for this: Rooney was nonsense. I’m refraining using a worse word. Everybody was.
could you imagine what SAF said to the team after the game ? I would have $hit my pants in that room,
KR//
If you expect us to do well in Europe every season I am afraid you have very little knowledge in how hard it really is. We just ended an era where we played 3 finals in 4 years and happened to face an unbeatable Barca in two of them.
The way things work we were due this now after all that glory and the signs have been there for weeks if not months. Glory at any price often is the shout from the gloryhunters.
Costas.
Just lighthearted banter tic.with heavy heart.
transitional side ? transition to what ? to jones,smalling , macheda and cleverly…look at those players and look at for example bale,lennon,walker and modric…can you really say that those player will turn out to be that good ?
I can see the anti-glazer brigade on the horizon..
@Fibes
Thats is though mate its not about just this season we have not been adding for years and winning the title has been proviing a smoke screen. When you look at inflated prices and inflation over a set period we have spent peanuts our net spend is really low. To be a top European side you have to prodcue youth with blendid proven world class talent. What have we added since 2008 when we last won it? 2009 should have been the catalyst to add and were not doing it mate and I really fear we will be left at the blocks. Them cunts down the road might be classless and have bought their pending success mate but does that mean we should take a morale high ground and watch it happen?
Can anyone tell me our best pairing in midfield? 94 our great side we have Keano and Ince, 99 we were unbelievable we had Keano and Scholes, 2008 we had Scholes, Carrick, Hargreaves. What do we have now? Like it or not it is not good enough we need to add in the midfield
Plus, if anyone as much questions Carrick’s worth to Manchester United “EVER” again, I am going to watch them sit through this match in its entirety. I can guarantee that had Michael played, we wouldn’t have lost this match, as simple as that. Carrick was sorely missed in this game. His ball retention especially was key to our away performances in Europe and you could see how we lacked that.
Plus, I have no idea why Giggsy is starting anymore. IMO, he is the perfect super-sub this season. He has the experience to affect the game when coming off the bench on 60 minutes as he has shown on some occasions this season. He has not looked comfortable at all when he has started. Fletcher and Jones would’ve been the ideal partnership for the game, with Giggs coming on to provide calm heads at later stages. As Costas mentioned on Twitter, why Fletcher did not start this game is beyond me, unless he has a knock of some sort.
I was also surprised that Nani wasn’t moved inside a la Aston Villa. Rooney wasn’t clearly on his A-game with more pressing issues to attend to tomorrow, Nani clearly showed his sublime skills against Villa, it wouldn’t have been a bad choice. The only negative would’ve been, we would’ve missed his crosses, but nobody was getting on the end of them anyway.
@CROoney
Nani is useless on the left. And we can’t just rely on our wings as others have said. Our central midfield was desperately weak tonight and Basel rolled over us time and time again.
@Balaji
Yes, it shouldn’t just be petty “haha i told you so” argumentation, but if it’s reasoned and fair, it think anyone can be critisised. Even Fergie. He’s not infallible, though he usually gets it right in the end. He’s proved me wrong so many times before, so I try to no be too hard on him after this failure. But there’s no doubt that he’s made some bad choices since Ronaldo left.
STAMpede, the fact is we kid ourselves after winning it in 08 with that brilliant team. Since then we were fucking dire and managed to get through somehow and then got shown just how bad we were in Rome and Wembley.
Vishy2in
Some good points there mate. Well said.
Now Repeat after me…..
We’ll never die, We’ll never die.
We’ll never die, We’ll never die.
We’ll keep the red flag flying high.
Man Utd will never die.
One mysterious thing with Rooney these days is that he does not strike the ball as he used to, he used to hit some real rip-snorting blockbusters. Together with the loss of the electric pace he had with his youth it’s a big loss to his game.
We believed in youth this season, and we were punished for it. Modern football ey…?
“Charlie Adam and Lucas are a bettter pairing than anything Manchester United can offer.”
KR, please take this back…for your own sake.
I understand that you’re mad, but talking out of your ass like this just makes you look stupid
I can’t wait for the europa league draw. Hopefully we draw someone like Legia Warsaw as this will be a more level playing field, but at the same time I’m excitied about the prospect of testing ourselves against one of the real big guns out there like Rubin Kazan.
We certainly weren’t dire in 09. Arsenal away, CL semi. Look at it on Youtube. It was one of the best performances United have produced this decade.
@parryheid
I realize that. Well it’s not an easy pill to swallow that’s for sure. I suspect you’ve followed the club longer than I have and we both know how football works in cycles. Can’t be too upset about something that was bound to happen again at some point. Only consolation for me would be the fact that we are still on track to build our next great team. Are we though? Things aren’t as simple as they were when Benfica dumped us out.
btw, i’m not too thrilled about transition where our best talent is in defence (jones and smalling)…we should have youngsters who are up to the task, and that task should be eating these teams for breakfast…and we don’t…
guys, do you realise that our talent was not good enough to beat basel IN 2 MATCHES , and that our most talented defensive players, the ones for the future, the ones to rely on, conceeded 7 goals in 3 matches…excuse me for not being so thrilled about the potential in this team…or better yet , the defensive potential of this team…we’re the team that lets the highest number of shots at our goalkeeper in the entire fucking premierleague and that tells enough about the defensive potential of both our midfield and our defnece…i mean , our midfield can’t create anything and is supposed to be defensive yet they can’t stop opponents from shotting…i’m sorry but if you leave aside all these media hype about those youngesters, you’re yet to see the true potential in them
Anyone who still thinks the glazers aren’t cunts tell me how many matches do you attend a season on average?
Nice stat for Costas: Manchester United are the first team to be eliminated in the (first) group stage the season after playing in the CL final.
You know that surprised me most about this CL Group Stage was Sir Alex’s MO. He is usually the first person to say that you have to put the tie in the bed before you take chances with your team selection. Like last season for example, we had the group in the bag before we played the likes of Bebe, Obertan and the entire reserves in the last two games. That is the only way I expect him to operate and that is the only way he has operated thus far.
That is the primary reason why his team against Basel at home surprised me to no end. It was a home game which we should always win to put the group in the bag. Win that and you can rest anyone for the final away group match which is always going to be an uneasy trip. I am still pissed off at the attitude with which we approached that particular match. I’ve not seen that kind of an attitude from the players especially for a long time.
The fact that Sir Alex broke his own rule in that particular game is what is still shocking me TBH.
One aspect to this years campaign in Europe was the drunkards walk, after reaching the final 3 times in the recent past we were just statistically overdue to have a real stinker.
Devil310, well tell me a player in our midfield that has played even remotely better than Adam? Tell me a player in our team that has tackled better than Lucas?
I feel sick to my stomach to have to even say these things but it’s completely true and you know it. Strange thing is i wouldn’t touch Adam or Lucas with a 100ft barge pole but it just shows the faith i have in our centre mid.
KR//
I think you better calm down a bit and realise that we did wonders in the past few years and lost to a Barca side that were so brilliant that we might never see anything like it ever again on this planet. Many headlines in the world after our Wembley defeat said that United are the best side in the world and that Barca are from another planet.
You have to remember the difference in what we have against what they have and also remember that their league is not as hectic or hard as our league is. Barca have a lot of benefits that we haven’t and United have always proved that we can do better than we really should be able to and that is the charm.
Keane slams United players
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/1207/keane_manutd.html?
Keano = LEGEND!!!!
How I wished he could have played tonight!!!! We are talking about replacing Scholes, but in reality we have never replaced Roy Keane!!!
“We believed in youth this season, and we were punished for it. Modern football ey…?”
Well, our youth of Jones, Smalling, Anderson, Hernandez, De Gea etc cost a lot more than Basle’s team so I don’t think the football gods have punished us.
Wow. We’ve become very ordinary, very quickly. The team on the pitch tonight would struggle in the Europa League, let alone anything else.
Rooney had absolutely no fire in his belly tonight ‘cos he thinks it will help his ridiculous appeal in Nyon tomorrow. Good to see where his priorities lie and for £250k a week, an attempt on target would be appreciated.
De Gea had another shocker tonight and his saving grace, the distribution, was appalling too. How long do we want to give him before Lindegaard is given a decent run?
And where was the leadership? Where was the belief? Where has United gone?
And I can see it already starting. Blame the owners. You just watch the resurgence in that over the coming weeks. Because isn’t it convenient to deflect the blame away from the players themselves.
@Tgan. I dun think u r serious, r u? den get real. Our star player, Rooney, cant dribble past players, loses de ball frequently n cant belt it like he use to…everything keeps on deterioratin n we r doin nothing about it. Wats really up??!
Anyway fuck this work to do. Try not to kill each other on here while I’m gone we’re not too blame for what happened here, we’ll keep supporting the team obviously trying to figure out what went wrong. Everyone has their own opinions. Good to vent, let it out kiss and make up later.
@NRD
I think I have seen you post that before about the Glazers. My only problem with that though is if we are calling the Glazers cunts then essentially we are saying the same to SAF as he says the money is there and no stoppers so what do we do?
Specially blended for Mancunians Chanel No 5.
Fair play to Szczesny: “I don’t agree with De Gea criticism. He’s potentially one of the best GK in the world but needs time to get his confidence at Man Utd!”
Balaji//
Are you saying between the lines what I was thinking that Sir Alex chose to get us knocked out tonight in order to stand any chance against City this season?
oh and will everyone STFU about scholes’ replacement – paul scholes hasn’t been THE paul scholes fo 2 years , so we’ve already replaced him by changing the style of play, only we’ve declined from last season
LOL Parry, that’s a good one. This could have been a night of revelling in City’s misfortune, but now we’re the laughing stock.
so it boils down to this
saf has spoilt us with his achievements,
so we want more
we want every player in our team to be world class
we want to win every trophy every year
we cannot make mistakes
if we do then
saf is shit,he needs to go..
i ask saf why did you win so much?i blame him?only to get called shit?
hope saf really were shit
STAMpede, i admire your level headedness but i can’t agree with you for one second. Fact is against Barcelona with just two top level midfielders we would have had more than a chance to beat Barca one on one. But when you go into a CL Final with Park, Carrick and Giggs as your midfield then you might aswell throw in the towel from the start because you ain’t beating a technically astute midfield with that lot.
Sir Alex admitted when the season had started and we were cruising that the preparations had been on for years to make us hit the ground running when season starts. Looks like we changed the normal setup then and had our good form too early.
Can’t fault the players tonight? What match did you watch? I saw the one where United played BASEL in a must-win match and lost 2-1 after being dominated by a better team. A Swiss team! YCMIU.
I’ll calm down now. As Costas say, this is the cyclical nature of football. I just feel that we should have been on top for longer had the right choices been made. 3 years ago we had the best team and squad in the world by far. Would have been nice to have kept that team going but fate didn’t want us to.
“People have talked about the young players – you’ve had Jones, Chris Smalling, Ashley Young coming in, everybody building them up but they’ve got a lot to do, it’s a reality check for some,” Keane said.
thank you roy keane ! i can go on and on and on about them for days and no one will listen but when keano says it people will listen
@CROoney
If you only look at the results it only tells half the story.
With 11 on the pitch, we could have beaten City, fact.
We should have beaten Palace but the side we put out was just too experimental. I’d rather we went all out reserves, or put out the ‘other half’ of our first team squad. What we got was neither here nor there.
Galati made themselves difficult to break down. I’ve seen plenty of games like that in the past and sometimes no matter how poor the side you’re playing actually is, they can be nigh-on unwinnable.
Phil Jones is 19 and despite a bit of naiivity positionally is already supreme.
Ji Sung Park still won’t give up.
Wayne Rooney has so much class, relies on confidence quite heavily but when he’s on, he’s on. Tonight was an on game, his passing and awareness was fantastic, albeit occasional due to the role he was asked to play. Still our best player.
Giggsy’s two balls for Wazza prove he is still worthy of a place in the side, old legs allowing.
Evra put in some serious yardage and constantly offered an option down the left, growing into this season, definitely.
Fletcher’s time will come too, it’s never easy after a long time out and if he can get a run of games, like Carrick it will see him good.
Ashley Young was on fire before his injury, I have faith in him because he doesn’t stop giving for the team.
Nani can be inconsistant but defenders fear him, more so than Valencia who gives us something different in those games where a bit of rugged get-to-the-byline and cross action is required.
Smalling made a mistake tonight but has been excellent so far this season
We’ll were fine tonight – the result wasn’t, none of us are arguing that – but there can be no question that we didn’t do enough to get ourselves back into it after going 1 down. Nani was our main threat and we made sure he saw plenty of the ball, and got support to him. Wayne’s movement nearly unlocked doors on a couple of occasions, but Basle defended utterly resolutely, we hit the woodwork and they hit the woodwork for us, got plenty of crosses in. I don’t think the results we’ve been getting recently are entirely indicative of the talent we have and the effort we’ve given.
I’m not sure what more you doubters wanted to see tonight.
@NRD, Please mate, I know you are pissed off, but don’t start arguments like that. I respect you a lot and I don’t think it is worth. You know I love this club to bits and I don’t attend any matches in a season. I don’t want someone I respect throwing bombs like, “You should stop talking if you don’t attend matches.” Trust me when I say this, it is very painful to read.
The Glazers have everything to blame for the way they have leveraged United’s resources to pay off their debt. Every United fan should pile the hate on them for that. And everybody will be well within their right do so.
But, in pure football ownership terms, I don’t think I would blame them for everything. We’ve still been relatively successful largely thanks to Sir Alex. They haven’t fucked with our management like a certain Russian seems to be doing over at London. Sure, they could’ve invested a lot more in the club, but I am sure if Sir Alex had been denied any money that he wanted, he would’ve outed the Glazers a long time ago. The fact that Sir Alex says he has funds to operate with is enough for me to trust that the Boss is backed in financial terms. The only thing that seems to be hurting us is the stringent wage rules, but again that is something we’ve had for a long time. Someone better than me would be able to explain it, but I still maintain that in football ownership terms, they’re not cunts.
And I truly am sorry if me not going to Old Trafford is hindering my views on this matter. I will try to make the trip to see whether that changes my perspective.
KR//
Never said we would or could. We never turned up in Rome and at Wembley we scored at least. Thing is no other side in the world would have touched them in those two games.
I wonder if Rooney has been shagging prostitutes again. That would explain his poor form, just like last year.
avishek – no, we don’t need every player to be world class -but we certainly don’t need that much mediocrity in the team, and yes, we could use a world class player or two
@CROoney
Hero of a player but as a manager, failed both Sunderland and Ipswich. I for one am not listening, and i’m not convinced SAF will be either.
NRD
I can’t blame the Glazers. and approx 90% but most percentages are made up on the spot.
The money was stumped up for Rooney and SAF spent about 50 million.
I personally blame the Injuries, we can’t seam to get a momentum going and a team to gel. It’ll come we’ve got to get some luck soon. Sir Alex tried to sign players including Silva,Villa and Nasri 2 of those went to shitty for big payouts. Even under Edwards or the plc we can’t match the spending power of Monsour and Neither can Abramavic.
@CROoney @22.36
Are you joking mate replaced Scholesy with who? Fucking Anderson as he is the last CM we bought. We have lost Scholes and Hargreaves since 2008 and since we have struggled like fuck in midfield. Tell me how our style of play has changed?
I for one wont shut the fuck up as we are Manchester United we cant just think domestically we are the biggest club in the world and between Cleverly, Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Giggs, Jones doesnt come anywhere near good enough. Great supporting cast but as a unit two of the above will not win us the European cup.
Could this KO tonight be a blessing in disguise?
@the Truth I dont disagree
He was shit the whole team was shit today.
But it cannot all be blamed on the glazers. Someone has to take the blame and let see who stands up and does it.
@Colbert
How the hell can you say we were dominated??? Ridiculous!
@STAMpede – Maybe. We weren’t going to win the CL anyway. Might be a good wake-up call.
I wonder what the phone-in was like on MUTV tonight?
@STAMpede, I have no idea whether that was meant in sarcasm or not, but that was hardly what I meant. I was just shocked to see such a weakened team in what was, at the time, a must-win game for us. Ever since I started watching United, his motto has been to finish off the group first and then rest key players. That is what separated him from the Benitez of this world. The fact that he broke the rule that he usually adheres to in terms of team selection was truly shocking to be honest.
Good comments Balaji …as usual. There’s going to be plenty of talk about Fergie’s spending or lack of it but when you win League and then spend 60m brining players like Jones, Young, DeDea and Smalling its hard to put our problems solely down to that.
I do admit that we could do with bringing in a world class CM but they have to want to come to United otherwise Fergie’s not interested.
Timimg of injuries haven’t helped as well.
Lets just focus on knocking City of the top of the table and takew it from there.
When Evans made a mistake, he gets a lot of stick and many want him out.
When Smalling made a mistake… well, you know what I’m talking about.
giggs12gerrard0 – my point is that you can’t just get like-for-like replacement for scholes as scholes was the old paul scholes for 2 years and we still managed to be one of the top 3 football clubs in the world…we lack quality – simple as
@Fibes
They dominated midfield and made us look silly at times. We were chasing shadows and our pressure was nowhere near good enough.
What is worse than the defeat is that no-one from the club is prepared to talk to the journos so the fans can hear their explanation. Vidic left stadium in crutches and the scan will reveal how bad it is but since this season is cursed I think we all know that he will be out for rest of season.
Looks like one hard road to nowhere for the rest of the season.
@CROoney
We are making the same point mate haha
off to bed reds I cant digest this anymore we all know its not good enough, the thought of Europa league makes me ill.
@Balaji (about SAF)
Ever since the UCL final losses, he’s wanted to show Europe his team can play attacking, cavalier football rather than the safe football United’s played all along in Europe.
Fergies lack of spending is his own personal vendetta against the transfer market and the moneymen that runs it. That surely must be clear to everyone.
@Fibes
Also, they had acres of space far too often because we weren’t quick enough and tenacious enough. Too easily bypassed in midfield. I’m mainly talking about the first half now, because obviously we were on top in the second half. But we didn’t play like a good United side play when we are chasing a game even in the second half. Basel got way too much time on the ball and could easily play their way up to the edge of our box far too often for my liking.
Before i do go off though I want to ad what the fuck has happened to our defending of crosses. Evans and Smalling on the 2nd goal was nothing short of pathetic.
@Colbert
That’s utter utter bollocks. They couldn’t keep hold of the ball, we dominated possession in all areas, we didn’t need to press so hard as they were giving us the ball straight back in the first half. We got more possession by giving them the room to play the ball to us. By pressing more in the second half they got behind us a couple of times, which we by and large dealt with.
The result was the only thing wrong tonight, both goals were totally against the run of play. That’s all.
@Colbert
Apart from picking the ball out of the net twice and the free kick save De Gea had fuck all to do all game.
Honestly, what game were you watching?
@STAMpede
He sure showed them!
Come on, it’s not that bad. I can’t be the only one who is looking forward to playing the likes of Metalist Kharkov, AEK Larnaca and Shamrock Rovers, right?
Sir Alex finally gives an interview after the game, in a few minutes on Sky Sports 2
This european campaign is a realitycheck. Nowhere near good enough. Fucking crap performance in front of goal. No penetration, no direction, no class, nothing. Cautious and totally shit. Someone please take some responsability up the for FUCKS sake. Feel especially sorry for Nani and Giggs, they deserved the win.
@Stampede
Vendetta against the money men?
Mate can you imagine what the likes of Everton, Bolton, Stoke etc etc think of United then? We are also money men lets not forget that you dont win trophies without spending lets not be niave
DDG 20 mil
Evra 6 mil
Vda 6 mill
Rio 28 mil
Smalling 10 mil
Nani 17 mil
Jones 17 Mil
Giggs – Pricesless
Park – 4 MIl (Bargain BTW)
Young – 18 Mil
Rooney – 29 Mil
Notable absentees
Valencia 17
Carrick 16
Anderson 17
Berbatov 30
Its not cheap mate so we either do it or we dont we spend a lot and cant complain about new found wealth of others it makes us look small time.
@Fibes
The result wasn’t wrong at all. We got what we deserved. They scored 2, we scored 1. No excuses.
@STAMpede
That’s a ridiculous theory. We’ve spent our fair share, but instead of blowing out on a series of established star names like a certain oil-rich but class-poor neighbour, we’ve invested heavily in young potential. As always SAF will be proved right, especially when the fair play laws come into full swing.
Stephen – that’s because mistakes by Smalling are extremely rare.
@Fibes
City will just find a way to get around those laws, like they did with the ludicrous sponsorship deal.
Just watching mutv and lou macari does my fuckin head in. He knows nothing about footballers outside of united.
Fibes – City have invested heavily in young potential too.
Colbert//
Yes, and Europe showed him the exit door…
SAF says now that the penalty for failing tonight means we play Thursday and Sundays for rest of season starting in Spring. That is something they have to deal with he says. I suspect that means we will play the reserves in Europa League.
@Colbert
Going to have to agree to disagree, I really am. We were miles better all over the park tonight, Shakiri or whatever his name is caused us a couple of problems with his tenacity and movement but otherwise they had nothing on us, whatsoever.
Another night, we could have got 4. They might not have even got a single shot on goal. And you’d have been jumping up and down celebrating our superiority, as would everyone else. Just because we lost, doesn’t neccessarily mean we played badly, and we really didn’t.
TheLads were pathetic – no drive, no flash, no dash. Maybe next year.
Now it’s time to try and claw back into the EPL and, if not, then phase out the older players (like SirRyanGiggs, ThreeLungPark, Patrice Evra and Rio – regardless of how well they played) and bring in the kiddie corps.
Ashley Young was atrocious – again.
At least Dimmy and Antonio Valencia weren’t there to make it worse.
KR says:
“Just watching mutv and lou macari does my fuckin head in. He knows nothing about footballers outside of united.”
Most tv pundits do my head in. On Sky Sports they were saying Chelsea have nothing and no-one to fear in the draw for the next round, which includes Napoli and 7 times winners Milan. A night to be a bit more humble about the English teams? Not on Sky.
I rest my case by referring to SAF’s comments about the transfer market. A personal vendetta it is for sure that goes back to his working class roots in Govan and the values that shaped the man. He has tried his best at not feeding the greedy agents and their players. That is why we never buy top class but instead buy players that he know can do a good job in the collective spirit of the club.
We will never see any Balotelli or the like come and destroy the friendship and spirit that exists within the club. It’s just not worth it.
So can anyone give me reason to believe we’ll win anything this season? I would have travelled to basel tonight but i was busy and so i’m glad i didnt and trust me i wont be paying malcolm for the europa shit show.
Ahjs so very very true
The little I have heard about MUTV is that the channel defends the club to the last blood no matter what and are reluctant to admit that we need new players. It is sad that people that get paid to give expert opinion have not seen or heard of top class players that are out there.
They don’t have to say that we should buy them but they should know about them at least. Paddy Crerand is a brilliant man and I love him to bits but sometimes he defends the club so much it just comes across as madness.
I never like people defending things to the point of claiming that the earth is flat just to be right.
or claim to be right
LOL
SAF apologized after the Carling Cup crash. Will Rooney man up and apologize for his shockingly poor sense of where the goal was in tonight’s game?
@Fibes
I feel there’s a lot of “woulda, coulda, shoulda” in your post. I don’t buy into that whole whichever team had the ball the most or created most deserves to win. Unless the referee ruins the match (which wasn’t the case tonight) the team who fairly (Basel’s goals were perfectly decent goals) sticks the ball in the back of the net deserves to win. Like in 03/04 when we played Arsenal in the cup. They battered us, but we held on and won through a brilliantly taken goal by Scholesy. That day we got what we deserved because Arsenal didn’t manage to score, but we did. And we got what we deserved tonight, which was nothing. No excuses.
KR//
Usually I would have believed there was any hope but we are now in a situation where we rely on old players that pick up injuries and we just have to admit that this is an off season for us.
Plenty of games to be played and United will always try their best to win them all but for me we look like the sides we had in the 80′s when on the day or night we could beat anyone on certain days and then fuck up completely when the world expected us to win handsomely.
Have we got any right to complain though if this season is shit when we look back at all we have won?
I think not!
Replace MUTV with Al Jazeera!
Keano. Juventus. 1999. If you want it, it shows. Come on people no excuses, the players have to man up and so does SAF.
A couple of bad results doesn’t take long for true colors to show,a lot of fair weather cunts,fucking disgusts me.No idea what being a fan is.I’d like to know when or why when a lot of you cunts became Utd fans
I’m speechless.
Win, Lose or Draw My Love For United Never Wanes
KR says…Just watching mutv and lou macari does my fuckin head in. He knows nothing about footballers outside of united.
None of them do mate. All the pundits are such a waste of time
lets face the truth since cr7 left we’ve slowley got worse and worse each season , we seem to be going backwards — bad times and worrying!!
Fibes – We were miles better all over the pitch? We should be! They’re an average team. United made them look like Madrid over the 2 games ffs! We played ok tonight, but lacked the cutting edge. Sloppiness, throughout the group stage, has cost us big time. You can point to Fergie tinkering, or injuries, but if we’re being honest, just not good enough. Certainly not for a United team. IMO, the injury crisis is the bigger problem, than departing the champions league. Not fussed about the Europa cup. Fergie will probably play the kids anyway. The priority now, should be the league and the FA cup. Spurs have a game in hand on us. If they win it, we drop to third. Thursday night, channel 5? The jokes on us now, lads.
So Wayne, criticising bad performances when the team are poor make people a non- united fan does it.
juan – That wasn’t his point. You get the feeling on here, that some have been waiting for this to happen. Then they can say, I told you all so? No one is happy with that tonight. This season isn’t lost yet. We’ve got it all to do. We’ll see now, who the boss can depend on.
@Wayne- “a couple of bad performances”? we are the worlds most prominent sports brand yet seldom play in accordance to such a label. Between the city thrashing, the crystal palace defeat and bowing out of the cl in an exceptionally weak group when would u suggest a “convenient” time wud be for fans to earn their right to criticise woeful performances and complacency?
hmm. it is 6 years to the day since the last time we crashed out of Europe in the group stage. 7 dec 2005, at the hands of Benfica.
@MG .. top posts, buddy
juan
The team wasn’t poor tonight, they played well enough to win.
Absolute disgrace. We got away with playing with average squad for so long it was going to catch up to us. Our team is purely average, we just need to look into the squad.
GK Lindegard, DDG I like them both so no complains here.
RB Rafael, Fabio, Jones and Smalling injury prone and not consistent. We hadn’t have a standing RB forever.
Rio old and slow
Vidic still grate but had been injured far too often
Evans average
Evra inconsistent.
Park average for a while now.
Giggs old, slow and old again
Carrick inconsistent and no guts. Have been having some good games recently, but still.
Fletch, Andy, Gibson shit
Young, Valencia one dimensional, one trick ponies
Nani good most of the time, but still inconsistent
Chicha great player who chips in with his fare share of goals always.
Welbeck young and inexperienced
Rooney on and off (two months or so)between great and shit
Berba and Owen not important and not good either.
Not sure if I missed someone, but it seems about right. The team is not bad it’s just average. It was completely drained of world class talent. Those that we hoped will get us there haven’t reached the status yet. They might try hard, but so does everyone else and this bunch just doesn’t have the skill to get the job done. I don’t think it’s a kneejerk reaction I just say like I see. Even if we drew this game and progressed it would have been disappointing, but we lost, miserably. Our recent transfer policy hasn’t been goof in my opinion. Hargo, Anderson and Berba (don’t even talk about 20 goal season, cause SAF didn’t even took him in CL Final squad)were waste of money and Valencia and Young still need to prove themselves. Chicha and Nani (already success), Smalling and Jones (good careers so far) were good business. That makes it two CM-s , two wingers and 30 mil striker brought who disappointed and that’s a lot of money for us right now.
I really needed to get this out. I still hope we win EPL, Fa cup and Europa (Hell yeh!!!) and I believe that SAF will take care of it, he always does.
Since we’re not going to get the bulk of the Champions League money like we did last year, we have all the more reason to try and go all the way in the Europa League. That’s 4 possible home games plus whatever tiny little money we can get from the broadcasting revenue.
Hi Anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rooney was good and Nani was the best on the pitch 4 utd still can’t belive that utd are out well maybe next year utd will have new players and young players too. plus utd will beat City in the F.A cup thank god City are out to cause i fucking hate City fans and liverpool fans!!!!!
I think Utd will get the PL this year City will fall on Saturday when they play Chelsea
Come on the best team in the world Utd!!!!!!!!!!
De Gea was ok the first Basel goal was good but the second was offside I think?
Anyone agree or Disagree. Well James21 how are you feeling about utd loses?
Good nite Anyone!!!***
boochy baby
I’m feeling like a song.
U.N.I.T.E.D utd are the team for me.
The only upside from tonight for me is if we were thinking of going for somone In January but were concerned they’d be CL cup tied … at least thats not a concern anymore.
wow that was really embarassing. 250k per week for rooney. how much have we lost from todays elimination then? pathetic.
Dave Mack – Now all we have to do is find some money and try to convince Champions League-calibre players to come and join our Europa League-calibre team.
mamutd 7 … you have no idea what Rooney is paid but no one in thier right mind suggests its 250k. Whatever it is its aleast 50k per week than he could have got elsewhere so show some respect.
Why it feels like someone close to you had died
Don’t worry, we’re still going through lad’s.
B E L I V E
This is shit this is not united
F..k off
when some one say Man U I whont to kick him in the ass ,ehat is Man U Idn !!!!
But I know I LOVE Manchester United
Despite everything, I still don’t think this day is as dark as the last time we got knocked out in the group stages, exactly six years previously, an event which occurred only a few weeks after Keano’s sudden and acrimonious exit, and not long after a humiliating 4-1 loss to Middlesbrough. I remember at the time thinking that was it — that we were facing a long period, possibly years, “in the trenches”. Yet, in the five CL campaigns between then and now, we have been a quarter-finalist once, a semi-finalist once, a losing finalist twice, and the champion once.
gettn smashed still think im having a fucken nightmare
Ok OK OK, Come on folks,
You fellas should know better (especially those who want to burn the sea),
It is stating the obvious by saying we are all gutted massively but I am just surprised at the reactions by most of us on here, the writings is been on the wall all this while yet we show such behaviour when what we have been waiting to happen happens.
To those taking advantage of this and spewing all kinds of shit to SAF and the Club, i have only this for you…. FUCK OFF
These are horrible times for the club but I know we will rise from the ashes and walk on golden streets again.
BELIEVE
JUST 1 focken qn… Where da fock are the regulars on here who sugar coat our performances week-in week-out.? I hope they see now that city, crystal palace (our general team performance) is crap. No Guts, skill etc. Majority of the 600+ msgs above this just put it all in perspective. Am sure even the ‘clique’ is hurting. FOCKEN DISGRACE!!!
that wasnt a one-off bad result…these kind of results have been coming since last season when we managed to win the league by default…We r a club in decline…when it comes to our biggest assets our PLAYERS
Since playing stoke, our performances have been poor. There is no consistency across the board. The writing was on the wall for this defeat. We do not have depth in quality meaning that we have to play with Evans , Kiko and the rest. They are not up to standard. Rio have passed his best and Rooney need to sort out what is wrong with his performances. If he is thinking of ever landing Europe`s player of the year prestigious award ,forget it. Well Man Utd pay him enough in wages so he can buy a replica of the golden boot.
Come January the gaffer needs to dig deep in the transfer kitty and get rid of a couple of no nos. We need to concentrate on our domestic competiotions starting from the league if we do not want to end up empty handed.
I’m A Big Your Fan’s MU,
But today i’m still not believe for what the hell with you ??? Lost With basel ??? Ohh noo …
Fergie .. please to look back again, that from the first MU always have at least 2-4 players who have the qualities of the world.
sometimes I think, if MU has gone bust?
MU is now being stockpiled or money?
Sell Rouney – Berbatov – Diouf and put your gigs as a assistant.
And maybe We need players like silva and CR7 again or like old MU icon “Beck’s”
Sell Rouney – Berbatov – Diouf and put gigs as your assistant. Regenerate MU … !!!
And maybe We need players like silva, CR7, baloteli and kaka maybe or like old MU icon “Beck
make A SUPER GREAT UTD !!!!!
tannor 6.28.Good point re reaction. We all feel pissed off , gutted and angry, the writing has been on the wal for some time , no doubt about that. Why so many vitriolic reactions?. Surely its not a complete shock?. How far would we have stuttered on in the CL?. Win it this year if we were in it?
The gnashing of teeth will pass. Change needs to take place. As the saying goes He who stands still loses ground.
are we all to boycott the prodigious Europa league?.
Let truth be told we dont have a creative midfield player only Giggs and we cant depend on him his is now 38 yrs must to hire world class midfielder to save our season
If Berbatov was the one who missed, the entire 500+ posts dissing the team would’ve focused on him. But because it’s Rooney, the blame falls on the rest of the team.
To be honest, I’m not THAT gutted, because since the start, I’ve always taken this season to be one of “tear down and rebuild”. This young team will surprise a few in 2 – 3 years – I’m not sure of that, but I’m looking forward to it happening. Unlike some who seem to be sure the club is in decline.
Are you a supporter, or a condemner?
Anyone know when the round of 16 draw is revealed, so u gonna support a true English side like arsenal or a buy the league club like chelsea?
redbilly 9:35, mate you have asked the right questions, honestly, we wouldn’t have gone anywhere this season and everyone on here has known it since the beginning of the season.
We are in second position in the EPL simply because most clubs are shit
Gooner- Arsenal
Gooner
I have respect for your club so if by any chance you can stop the Rentboys I’d be greatful.