LIVE BLOG: United 1-2 Crystal Palace FT

November 30, 2011 581 Comments

Author: Scott Filed Under Domestic Cups, Live blog, Match Day

581 Comments

November 30, 2011 at 19:14
MG says:
Thank the Lord

New thread
November 30, 2011 at 19:16
MG says:
Wait there is another one
November 30, 2011 at 19:18
planetx6 says:
any links to see the game?
November 30, 2011 at 19:23
YS says:
I should hv bet on Gibson starting…………….
seems he still is in SAF’s plans
November 30, 2011 at 19:29
Balaji Sivaraman says:
Love the Carrick interview going on right now. He just personifies calm. Every time you see him, you know this is a person who isn’t going to get worked up over anything.

I absolutely love him!
November 30, 2011 at 19:31
Fred says:
November 30, 2011 at 19:32
FletchTHEMAN says:
What ever happened to “View from the Enemy”? Miss those much. Though the Palace “fan” interviewed on another site turnout to be American and living in South America. Sure Scott could do better than that!

Come on United:
November 30, 2011 at 19:33
ryan7 says:
Anyone else seeing an ad for icons dot com that shows nothing but liverpool scum signed jerseys?
November 30, 2011 at 19:34
Fred says:
Well if it’s any consolation, a Palace fan on MUTV told us to look out for Wilfred Zaha – who he claimed is on Barcelona’s radar – and predicted a 10-0 win for the Eagles.
November 30, 2011 at 19:34
CedarsDevil says:
His name is Johnny and he is from God’s own country……. So proud for our captain tonight….

Get stuck in lads

Come ON UNITED
November 30, 2011 at 19:35
vishy2in says:
Matchday at RoM means one thing though. Time for the doom-sayers at RoM.

I have no idea from where these guys come from. They just pop up during the games saying all types of illogical shit and then disappear afterwards. I mean why would anyone do that? Just enjoy the game in peace and give reasonable opinions. Why would anyone create an id on an Utd fan blog just to criticise the team during a match. It beats me.
November 30, 2011 at 19:36
Adi says:
Just realized that the match is not being shown in India. Any reliable live streams?
November 30, 2011 at 19:39
Mufc_in_LA says:
This one will show game.

http://88.80.11.29/41681/watch-manchester-united-vs-crystal-palace
November 30, 2011 at 19:39
Fred says:
first
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sports
dot
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vee
November 30, 2011 at 19:39
Fred says:
I expect nothing less than a hat-trick from Berbatov against these no-marks.
November 30, 2011 at 19:40
Adi says:
Thanks Mufc_in_LA
November 30, 2011 at 19:40
CedarsDevil says:
vishy2in

Touche! I for one do not post nor read the blog during matches because of that reason

Come ON UNITED

Captain Johnny, do us proud son
November 30, 2011 at 19:41
vishy2in says:
@Cedars: I thought Lebanon was God’s own country! No? Lol.

On an unrelated note, I just have to say this. Living in India, I wan’t quite sure about the media bias against us. But now that I have moved to London, it sickens me to bits- the media coverage. I mean it just pisses me off. Glorifying people like Terry(ass holes) and looking for opportunities to attack United! And now they build up city. Where is the respect United deserve? Hidden under the jealousy maybue!
November 30, 2011 at 19:42
CedarsDevil says:
Fred

Hope you get to read this, thanks for the love post on the other thread pal
November 30, 2011 at 19:42
Fred says:
Viva Jonny Evans
November 30, 2011 at 19:43
Balaji Sivaraman says:
Imagine the pride Jonny must be feeling. He is a Manc to the bone. Chuffed for the lad.
November 30, 2011 at 19:43
CedarsDevil says:
vishy2in

It is indeed buddy, I was merely paying tribute to a resident poster from NI whom I admire
November 30, 2011 at 19:43
planetx6 says:
@Mufc_in_LA thanks mate!
November 30, 2011 at 19:44
thedonmassawe says:
Good Day REDS!
November 30, 2011 at 19:49
Costas says:
RIP Gary Speed.

Hope the Berb isn’t stuck in the middle today.
November 30, 2011 at 19:49
nani4ever says:
fucking knew it, darren gibson and diouf why!
November 30, 2011 at 19:49
smartalex says:
Come on United!
November 30, 2011 at 19:49
James21 says:
Come on Reds lets get this Crystal beat.
Congratulations Jonny Evans.
November 30, 2011 at 19:50
Fred says:
Zaha sowing why Barcelona are monitoring him.
November 30, 2011 at 19:50
Fred says:
showing!
November 30, 2011 at 19:51
smartalex says:
nani4ever rudely questioning United. Not cool.
November 30, 2011 at 19:53
Fred says:
Looks like Mamma Diouf is up top, Kiko on the left.
November 30, 2011 at 19:54
CedarsDevil says:
Seeing as I have no coverage whatsoever I will continue to read and post, thus breaking a personal rule of mine….

I see the crap has already started
November 30, 2011 at 19:54
Old Trafford's finest says:
Gibson has played 7 passes, 4 over 15 yards, 4 misplaced. I do wonder how this guy is still here. Support anyone in the United shirt, but feel for him as he just doesn’t have the quality. Also, Kiko is not a winger. Hate to see him out there.
November 30, 2011 at 19:55
Costas says:
I guess Berbatov got over whatever kept him out of the squad against Newcastle…
November 30, 2011 at 19:58
CedarsDevil says:
Could do me with a hot mamma on top of me!
November 30, 2011 at 20:03
Clint-iamyourpapii says:
Told you lads that the article was pant pissingly funny

For those who missed it; http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/nov/30/chelsea-premier-league-icon-manchester-united
November 30, 2011 at 20:05
Fred says:
Sad to see Old Trafford so empty.
November 30, 2011 at 20:05
thedonmassawe says:
Complacency all around
November 30, 2011 at 20:06
aimanunited says:
what the hell? too many backpasses to the keeper…
November 30, 2011 at 20:06
CedarsDevil says:
For those watching the match, how is the atmosphere? I bet Mike is screaming his lungs out
November 30, 2011 at 20:08
keanoisdaman says:
Bunch of pricks keep having a go at gibson ffs….I hate plastic utd fans.
November 30, 2011 at 20:08
Fred says:
Palace fans making a lot of noise. Can’t hear Mike!
November 30, 2011 at 20:08
Clint-iamyourpapii says:
Did Macheddar just run off the pitch ? Walcott like, keep it up laddy !

Gibson has his shooting boots on, wait I meant the boots he’ll get shot at in. Pathetic this guy barely plays and gets so much stick for nothing. Give him Carrick and Fletch, see how he shines behind Rooney. Im convinced he has more to offer at this age.
November 30, 2011 at 20:09
Costas says:
Could see some kind of negative record Fred. Over the course of the last 5 years anyway..
November 30, 2011 at 20:10
Costas says:
*Could be*
November 30, 2011 at 20:11
Fred says:
What do you mean, the attendance?
November 30, 2011 at 20:13
CedarsDevil says:
OT not full?
November 30, 2011 at 20:14
Costas says:
Yeah, the attendance. I’ll have a quick look at half time.
November 30, 2011 at 20:15
MG says:
Fred

It is a strike day today

People just saving there money lol
November 30, 2011 at 20:16
CedarsDevil says:
So frustrating when all I have is live text update on a United match
November 30, 2011 at 20:17
MG says:
Now if we had Sneijder we would have scored by now.

Actually thinking about it no we wouldn’t have because he wouldn’t have been picked by the Gaffer
November 30, 2011 at 20:18
Fred says:
Cedars – certainly not. The Sir Alex Ferguson Stand looks half empty. The Stretty and East Stand look full though.
November 30, 2011 at 20:18
berbatough says:
great atmosphere from the united fans here
November 30, 2011 at 20:19
MG says:
Cedars

I’ll keep you entertained

Nothing to report about apart from you know the same old midfield missing comment

Disclaimer: not me saying just pointing the obvious from the small minority of fans
November 30, 2011 at 20:19
Fred says:
Fergie didn’t look best pleased with a foul throw by Diouf.
November 30, 2011 at 20:20
aimanunited says:
that louis zaha kid looks very promising…
November 30, 2011 at 20:21
Costas says:
Hehe, Diouf first in line for the hair dryer.

Steffen Iversen is on Palace’s bench. What’s next? Attilio Lombardo?
November 30, 2011 at 20:21
CedarsDevil says:
Fred – Cheers for the update

At least a team liked by someone I admire have scored tonight! Get in there PAOK!
November 30, 2011 at 20:22
gaz says:
just came in very disapointed to see the starting line up wanted a few of the young guns get a game zeki fryers,morrison and pogba, surely Ravel could give us more then diouf on the left?
November 30, 2011 at 20:22
MG says:
Costas

Mancini will come on you watch

Diouf will get his ass kicked at half time – what a fucking foul throw
November 30, 2011 at 20:23
MG says:
Is Fat Ronaldo on the bench?
November 30, 2011 at 20:25
MG says:
Valencia was trying to be a Palace player for a moment

Fabio has pulled his hamstring

Fryers is on

Their you go Cedars
November 30, 2011 at 20:25
Clint-iamyourpapii says:
Fabio broke again We need superglue for this one

You might aswell give City the Carling Cup, we’ll settle with a pint of bitter and some KP’peanuts.
Fell asleep for a bit during the game, all the excitement for today knocked me straight out.

BRING ON RAVEL AND POGGY.
November 30, 2011 at 20:25
LoneStarRed says:
Fabio. Hamstring. Done
November 30, 2011 at 20:25
MG says:
Kiko bad first touch in the box

Nearly…
November 30, 2011 at 20:26
Costas says:
I just lost a bet. I predicted Fabio would get injured around the 60 minute mark…
November 30, 2011 at 20:26
Fred says:
Costas – wow, Iversen still plays! Seems like a relic of a bygone age but apparently he is three yeas younger than our very own Giggsy.

No offence to Diouf but I’d like to see Morrison on for him at half time. I think his introduction would bring the team and the entire stadium to life. It could be his “Ronaldo v Bolton ’03″ moment.

Fryers on for the injured Fabio…
November 30, 2011 at 20:26
James21 says:
Scannel looks really badly injured. Not.

Close, Macheda. Come on Reds.

The 2 Clown commentators are wanking everytime Crystal touch the ball.
November 30, 2011 at 20:28
Costas says:
@MG

Fergie already chewing Diouf out. He sent him out on the wing and brought Kiko inside.
November 30, 2011 at 20:28
MG says:
Chris Smalling

Missed the lad

You can give all the credits to Jones but considering where Smalling was a few years ago – unbelievable progress…
November 30, 2011 at 20:28
CedarsDevil says:
MG

Thanks good friend, you never fail to entertain me

What the hell happened to Fabio?
November 30, 2011 at 20:29
dazbomber says:
We have not had a shot on goal yet 39 mins
November 30, 2011 at 20:30
MG says:
Costas

Diouf

Good player but not United

I know shall we ship him off to Sunderland?

Disclaimer: Tongue in cheek comment
November 30, 2011 at 20:30
JC says:
Both Kiko and Diouf looking very poor both in movement and control, too bad about Fabio but it’ll be nice to see Fryers geting extended time in his future starting position.
November 30, 2011 at 20:31
MG says:
Cedars

Hamstring let’s hope the few weeks off doesn’t become 10 to the annoyance of Costas
November 30, 2011 at 20:32
MG says:
Dioud trying to do the Rooney special overhead kick

Not quite for the lad

It’s okay son we have your transfer to Sunderland ready
November 30, 2011 at 20:32
James21 says:
Great challenge by Rafeal.

Nice try Diouff.
November 30, 2011 at 20:33
Eric Cantona Told Me To Tweet says:
Very entertaining
November 30, 2011 at 20:33
KingOfStretfordEnd says:
The Twins are really made of glass. And our
Defenders aren’t making Amos’ life easy with all those wierd back passes.
November 30, 2011 at 20:33
Costas says:
@Fred

3 years younger? Wow. I thought Giggs was his son by the way he plays.

Darren Ambrose also on Palace’s bench. I thought he was quite good about 6-7 years ago.

@MG

He nearly scored a cracking bicycle kick. Diouf is here to stay.
November 30, 2011 at 20:33
MG says:
typo: Diouf not Dioud
November 30, 2011 at 20:34
thedonmassawe says:
Its good to see Rafa back!
November 30, 2011 at 20:34
LoneStarRed says:
@ Costas Re Fabio. hilarious
November 30, 2011 at 20:34
CedarsDevil says:
MG

It was probably the medical’s team fault in the first place! hahaha

Costas – Just having a laugh my good friend
November 30, 2011 at 20:35
MG says:
Costas

So he’s staying in your Football Manager 2012 game then?
November 30, 2011 at 20:36
CedarsDevil says:
James21

Are you not at OT pal? I know Mike is
November 30, 2011 at 20:37
MG says:
Costas knows

Though the medical team could look into expanding the department – Dr. Ghani would be a welcome addition – and of course free games for me and jnr
November 30, 2011 at 20:37
Fergie's gum says:
Half time.0-0
November 30, 2011 at 20:38
marshlr says:
A load of rubbish so far. Why Diouf, Evans, Gibson..no Pogba, Morrison? thank goodness I didn’t have to pay to see this stuff. Can’t see us winning anything this year….we didn’t learn anything from the City defeat. I suppose the Glaziers will be happy…SAF didn’t spend any money and we might just finish in the top four!
November 30, 2011 at 20:39
James21 says:
Cedars ,I sold my ticket can’t make midweek games. Wish I was though.
November 30, 2011 at 20:40
Costas says:
Imagine if Rafa gets injured too. Another negative record on this glorious night. 9)

Kidding aside, of course it’s obvious that the twins’ injury issues go way beyond our medical team. To be honest, I’ve often wondered why we never got a lot of competition when we tried to sign them. Well there was Arsenal, but if one team has a worse track record than us with injuries it’s them. So I get what they saw in the twins.
November 30, 2011 at 20:41
CedarsDevil says:
James21

Wish it was me who bought it, damn I miss OT
November 30, 2011 at 20:41
Clint-iamyourpapii says:
Big Chris Smalling is in another class to jones imo. Developed incredibly, looks like a young Rio Plus a screwed on Head. PEFECTION.

Smalling huh? The lad should consider his name changed to Christopher B.I.G or Chris Biggling.

Mammy Diouf proving to be reserve legend quality again.
MaCheddar….the boy is a mystery? He should just wear a Rey Mysterio mask so Everybody is prepared whenever he plays, pre season – he’s the next Johan Cryuff, in season he’s Andy Carroll on form.

Hope to see Ravel for at least 30 mins.
November 30, 2011 at 20:42
Costas says:
I meant not 9). Typos galore tonight.

@MG

Heh, football managers are weird. I only bought one back in 2005 and I managed to win the Ch.League in 2009 with Giuseppe Rossi as my talisman. If I had one now, I’d build a team around Gibbo, Diouf and Evans. Underdogs ftw.
November 30, 2011 at 20:42
MG says:
Half time the torture is over

It’s the midfields fault – I mean Bebe just shoots into the stands Kleberson is just standing there Djemba Djemba can’t tackle to save his life and Tosic thinks he’s Messi but actually he doesn’t play enough to know any better.
November 30, 2011 at 20:42
CedarsDevil says:
Not so bad reading and posting during games after all…. Seems like a troll and WUM free evening
November 30, 2011 at 20:43
mattos says:
fuck me OT is empty
November 30, 2011 at 20:43
The Truth says:
That’s the first half then. Nothing notable about our play really, except the fact that Berbatov is so fucking cool and his ability to literally jog past opponents is far more entertaining than everything that happened in that first 45 minutes. Some unnecessary fouls made that the referee didnt pick up on,and far too many casual passes in the direction of our back four and goalkeeper.

I admire M.Diouf’s willingness to track back and get involved, but he is not having a good game. Kiko looks so slow. Heck the whole play was slow, you would think that they are all somewhat exhausted…When most of them havent even featured in the premier league often. So far only Rafael, Valencia and Smalling have played well. The rest need to step up.
November 30, 2011 at 20:43
Adi says:
I know many here are fans of DaSilvas but I just can’t see beyond their approach to their game. Defending seems to be the last thought on their minds. Both Valencia and Park have had to cover for them a lot.
I won’t blame them for their fragile body but certainly that face after fouling an opponent is never a pleasant sight. Too many fouls. Always a step away from a dismissal.
November 30, 2011 at 20:44
MG says:
Costas

Not to forget starting with Morrison and Pogba all the time
November 30, 2011 at 20:45
CedarsDevil says:
All together now, get in there PAOK! This is for you Costas, 2 nil up now
November 30, 2011 at 20:46
Fred says:
Zaha with the old Ronaldo skill! Brings back memories.
November 30, 2011 at 20:46
James21 says:
Still more there than a Shitty home game.
November 30, 2011 at 20:47
Balaji Sivaraman says:
Agree with Costas. As I posted a long time ago, how can we rely on two players who are going to be on the treatment table for a larger part of the season than off it? I love the twins as much as the next guy, but their injury record is proving to be a major liability.

How lazy is Macheda? Seriously? The kid isn’t nonchalant in a Berbatov way. He is just plain lazy. The amount of time he takes to even move his body slightly is beyond funny. The part that I hate most is that he has the raw talent of someone who can make it at Old Trafford. But his attitude is in doubt in most games that I’ve seen him.

Beyond that, I am literally dozing off to sleep and that hasn’t happened in a long time.
November 30, 2011 at 20:47
Sandeep1878 says:
i think Liverpool away will be handed as draw to us..

They will look to take every chnace to screw us somehow…
November 30, 2011 at 20:49
CedarsDevil says:
A half filled OT will cover shitlands twice over
November 30, 2011 at 20:49
James21 says:
‘All together now My old man said be a shitty fan and I said Bollox you’re a cunt’.
If the fans won’t sing at OT then we’ll sing on here.
November 30, 2011 at 20:50
ChrisW says:
Palace are playing their 19-year old wonderkid (Zaha). Why aren’t we playing ours?
November 30, 2011 at 20:50
Costas says:
The problem with United’s Carling cup sides is that these players rarely play together so most of the time the team looks disjointed. That’s imo what’s happening today. Hopefully they’ll click better in the 2nd half.

And what’s up with losing the coin toss again. Get that black cat out of the ground.
November 30, 2011 at 20:51
CedarsDevil says:
Balaji

How long have you been without sleep?
November 30, 2011 at 20:51
James21 says:
Morrison on for Berba
November 30, 2011 at 20:52
thedonmassawe says:
Ravel on!
November 30, 2011 at 20:52
MG says:
Morrison is on Berba off – don’t know why may have injury that could only be a logical explanation.
November 30, 2011 at 20:53
Balaji Sivaraman says:
@Cedars, Ah well, that would be about 20 hours, so I think that could explain it then.

Don’t worry, things will unravel soon.
November 30, 2011 at 20:53
Mufc_in_LA says:
Hope Ravell has a good game and dosn’t do anything silly….
November 30, 2011 at 20:53
Costas says:
One has to assume Berba is injured? Oh well. Come on Morrison!

@Cedars

I am hoping PAOK would hold on, but looks like some drama in that game is leading Spurs back into it. Don’t get why Redknapp has been so snob about this competition.
November 30, 2011 at 20:53
CedarsDevil says:
James21 – Hahaha

All together now, we love you PAOK we do we love you PAOK we do we love you Costas we do oohhh Costas we love you
November 30, 2011 at 20:57
MG says:
Diouf with a Cruyff Esque turn

Eat your hearts out Xavi and Messi
November 30, 2011 at 20:59
MG says:
Cedars I had a dream yesterday:

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer was United manager and the rest became history

Valencia missed Cedars – ouch!
November 30, 2011 at 21:00
LoneStarRed says:
DANG IIITTTT
November 30, 2011 at 21:01
Costas says:
Smalling showing why I want to devour him.

@Cedars

Thanks. I feel the love, lol.
November 30, 2011 at 21:02
James21 says:
Playing better Reds Come on.
November 30, 2011 at 21:02
MG says:
Lovely ball by Gibson

If that was Messi or Xavi we would still be hearing it

Good shot by Ravel

United heating up
November 30, 2011 at 21:03
CedarsDevil says:
MG

My sort of dreams! Hope its a reality when the great man call is quits…..
November 30, 2011 at 21:03
Sandeep1878 says:
No way Berba is injured…

This aint a good sign for him…

more intent from us in the 2nd half..

25 years on and still the hair dryer is working wonders
November 30, 2011 at 21:05
CedarsDevil says:
Ignore the typos and move on eh

Costas, its a fact buddy!
November 30, 2011 at 21:06
TonyBee says:
Costas is a fat buddy…….
November 30, 2011 at 21:06
keanoisdaman says:
Gibson best player on the pitch so far you spastics.
November 30, 2011 at 21:08
MG says:
Saved from Morrison

Damn!
November 30, 2011 at 21:08
TonyBee says:
just back from late night Uni…..how we playing……….
November 30, 2011 at 21:08
LoneStarRed says:
Smalling = composure.
November 30, 2011 at 21:09
ChrisW says:
God, Smalling is good.
November 30, 2011 at 21:10
Sandeep1878 says:
Curse of the twins?

Rafael is hobbling now

One comes back from injury and other goes out

OT faithful singing loud now, thats the way to go..
November 30, 2011 at 21:10
CedarsDevil says:
TonyBee – You old tool, why the fuck do you not post more frequently? I know you have issues with your eye sight and no grasp of modern day technology, but come ON….. Your posts crack the fuck out of this old fool’s brains
November 30, 2011 at 21:11
James21 says:
Liking the look of Fryers.
November 30, 2011 at 21:11
JC says:
War of attrition here, how many players will go off injured today??

Pogba coming on, nice!
November 30, 2011 at 21:11
TonyBee says:
nothing’s changed then….Macheda still flattering to deceive…..
November 30, 2011 at 21:11
James21 says:
Pogba for Rafael
November 30, 2011 at 21:11
Utd4life says:
Pogba coming on..
November 30, 2011 at 21:11
nani4ever says:
pogba, morrison = united exciting winning football!
November 30, 2011 at 21:12
aimanunited says:
the twin must have a very close relationship, when fabio is injured rafael also feels the pain…
November 30, 2011 at 21:12
Costas says:
Ravel seems up for it.

And yeah, Gibbo has been very good so far.

@TonyBee

Nah, just a skinny fat buddy.
November 30, 2011 at 21:12
thedonmassawe says:
@ ChrisW hear hear!
November 30, 2011 at 21:12
Sandeep1878 says:
ToneyBee,

First half we were poor, Berba off at half time, Morrison in..

we showing more intent in 2nd half..

Pogba is in now at 60 plus mins over..NIL-NIL
November 30, 2011 at 21:13
CedarsDevil says:
Have we scored yet, have we scored yet, have we scored yet

TonyBee – What sort of a Uni you old fool?
November 30, 2011 at 21:13
TonyBee says:
an old tool ….sigh….just what MrsBee calls it…..
November 30, 2011 at 21:13
JC says:
Well fuck! Nice pick off by the ref there on gibson.
November 30, 2011 at 21:13
James21 says:
What a goal. FFS.
November 30, 2011 at 21:13
Utd4life says:
Crap.
November 30, 2011 at 21:13
Costas says:
NOVEMBER 30, 2011 AT 20:40
Costas says:

Imagine if Rafa gets injured too. Another negative record on this glorious night.

——————————————————————————————————–

Heh.
November 30, 2011 at 21:13
Mufc_in_LA says:
%^$%#$@# !!!
November 30, 2011 at 21:13
LoneStarRed says:
DANG WHAT A SHOT…..that hurt.
November 30, 2011 at 21:13
keanoisdaman says:
Gibsons fault!!
November 30, 2011 at 21:13
MG says:
Oh my Lord

I only went for a fucking cup of tea!
November 30, 2011 at 21:14
Sandeep1878 says:
Goal of the carling cup this season?

that is stunning goal by Ambrose..

we trail nil-One..

fuck it..

expect a quick response..

Morrison to score..
November 30, 2011 at 21:14
aimanunited says:
we’re fucked!
November 30, 2011 at 21:14
TonyBee says:
what a screamer of a goal …pity one of our didn’t score it…..
November 30, 2011 at 21:14
Utd4life says:
Lets see how the youngsters react to this. C’mon United!!!!
November 30, 2011 at 21:14
Costas says:
Holy shit. Didn’t think Ambrose still had it in him…
November 30, 2011 at 21:15
thedonmassawe says:
Goal and a half that one! Ultimate test for the kids
November 30, 2011 at 21:15
MG says:
Be calm
November 30, 2011 at 21:15
Utd4life says:
Peno!!!!!!!!!
November 30, 2011 at 21:16
James21 says:
Macheda Penalty. Come on Reds.
November 30, 2011 at 21:16
Sandeep1878 says:
who will take penalty?

Park for me
November 30, 2011 at 21:16
RedScot says:
Geret in there Kiko, make custard out of them now
November 30, 2011 at 21:16
JC says:
There we go KIKO show your quality.
November 30, 2011 at 21:16
LoneStarRed says:
SORTED!
November 30, 2011 at 21:16
TonyBee says:
that’ll do 1-1
November 30, 2011 at 21:16
Utd4life says:
Kiko!!! Utd equalize..Game on!!!
November 30, 2011 at 21:16
Sandeep1878 says:
Told u all a quick response..

penalty won and scored by Macheda..1-1
November 30, 2011 at 21:17
portugueseprincess says:
Thank you very much Macheda!!! Come on United!!!!!!
November 30, 2011 at 21:17
Costas says:
Kiko my boy!
November 30, 2011 at 21:17
keano99 says:
We are a joke
November 30, 2011 at 21:17
MG says:
Oh my Lord

I just said be calm and then their was a penalty

The Lord is with me tonight
November 30, 2011 at 21:17
Utd4life says:
Valencia is having an awful game.
November 30, 2011 at 21:18
Costas says:
Didn’t deserve to go behind after that 2nd half performance.

Kiko with our 50th of the season.
November 30, 2011 at 21:18
aimanunited says:
why do we always play better when the opponent scored first?
playing away i can understand but at OT???
November 30, 2011 at 21:18
Mufc_in_LA says:
If its still 1-1 at full time there will be extra time, we have used all 3 subs…
November 30, 2011 at 21:18
TonyBee says:
studying photography at evening classes would you believe….at my age….. a student
November 30, 2011 at 21:19
MG says:
Pogba is on

Now we shall have Morrison and Pogba rise the dark side.
November 30, 2011 at 21:19
Balaji Sivaraman says:
There is something exhilarating about watching the youngsters play that cannot be put in words. Suffice to say that it is one of the primary reasons I watch United. Despite a lackluster first half, a dose of caffeine and United are helping me stay awake.

But what a goal by Ambrose. Oh my gawd!!!!

Also, somewhere in Greece, a man named Costas let out a shrill laugh when he saw Manchester United right-back Rafael limping slightly.
November 30, 2011 at 21:19
LoneStarRed says:
Park was beaten. Good thing the cross was off.
November 30, 2011 at 21:20
TonyBee says:
aimanunited says:
why do we always play better when the opponent scored first?
playing away i can understand but at OT???

because they know if they go off losing…. SAF will tear them new ass-holes
November 30, 2011 at 21:20
Balaji Sivaraman says:
BTW, Gibson is giving a surprisingly strong performance for someone who is making a rare appearance and who knows he is probably on his way out.
November 30, 2011 at 21:20
MG says:
Watson

Students we are then

Photography you Teaching me –
November 30, 2011 at 21:21
CedarsDevil says:
Fuck this shit, PAOK down to ten men…..its pathetic Oops, sorry wrong blog

Have we scored yet, have we scored yet?

Get in there Kiko you beauty…. So pissed off not to be watching this
November 30, 2011 at 21:22
Costas says:
Don’t know what the hell is going on with Berba at the moment (mysteriously missing against Newcastle and getting taken off so quickly tonight), but I definitely enjoy seeing more of Macheda. The boy has it. Believe.
November 30, 2011 at 21:23
Mufc_in_LA says:
both side have used up all their subs
November 30, 2011 at 21:23
Balaji Sivaraman says:
@Costas, Yup, in terms of raw talent, ever Sir Alex said Macheda is one of the best he has seen since Cristiano, and that is saying something. Attitude is another issue altogether, but the kid, from where I sit, most definitely “has” what it takes to make it all the way at Old Trafford.
November 30, 2011 at 21:23
Costas says:
@Balaji

I am just laughing because I called his injury mate. As well as the fact that we are short on full backs. But that’s another story. At least Zeki looks promising!
November 30, 2011 at 21:24
TonyBee says:
just wanted something to do at nights, Holmes …got fed up with masturbating….. so thought I’d take a bit more of an interest in my hobby
November 30, 2011 at 21:24
CedarsDevil says:
TonyBee

Happy for you, joking aside that is quite a feat
November 30, 2011 at 21:25
aimanunited says:
@TonyBee – so how many holes did they get when losing against shitty? Six each?
November 30, 2011 at 21:25
LoneStarRed says:
Diouf. That was ugly.
November 30, 2011 at 21:25
JC says:
Im just going to say I farking hate watching this shitty standard definition broadcast, seriously how can the Carling Cup not afford HD feeds at least from the Quarters on…
November 30, 2011 at 21:26
MG says:
Watson

I can see why SAF rates Morrison

If that kid can just level himself – he is an incredible prospect

His movement is outstanding…
November 30, 2011 at 21:26
Balaji Sivaraman says:
@Costas, You and me both mate. When I saw the team sheet, I was surprised to see both of them playing, but I mentally made up my mind to see at least one of them off before the match was over. As sad as it may sound, there may be something fundamentally wrong with the way they are built.
November 30, 2011 at 21:27
Costas says:
Diouf isn’t on fire.

@Balaji

The reason I like Kiko is basically the thing that’s been burdening him for the last 3 years. That goal against Villa. Don’t know a lot about his attitude to be honest. You could be right. But I feel that he isn’t that much different compared to Rooney when he was 20.
November 30, 2011 at 21:29
CedarsDevil says:
Would anyone watching the match please update me on Evans? cheers
November 30, 2011 at 21:29
Costas says:
@Balaji

In terms of attitude I mean they are not that different.. As for the twins, I share that same concern to be honest. Maybe Giggsy could introduce them to some yoga?
November 30, 2011 at 21:30
90+UntilWeScore says:
Diouf has been very frustrating today..trying too hard to impress…
November 30, 2011 at 21:30
mattos says:
way too open at the moment
November 30, 2011 at 21:31
LoneStarRed says:
So far Pogba is a non factor.
November 30, 2011 at 21:31
aimanunited says:
Ambrose wasn’t too expensive isn’t he?
November 30, 2011 at 21:31
90+UntilWeScore says:
Pogba too has been disappointing…..does not look motivated enough to drive the team
November 30, 2011 at 21:33
TonyBee says:
just what is with the da Silva’s…. made of fucking glass them two
November 30, 2011 at 21:33
MG says:
Cedars Evans is doing fine

Little bit disappointed with Diouf – I know he hasn’t had matches just don’t know where he fits in – should he be on loan? Should he be starting? No idea…
November 30, 2011 at 21:33
90+UntilWeScore says:
Smalling has been brilliant….
November 30, 2011 at 21:33
James21 says:
Thank fuck for Smalling.
November 30, 2011 at 21:34
Balaji Sivaraman says:
90+, With the competition he has and the rumors surrounding his departure, can you really blame him? To be honest, I think he brings something different compared to any other striker we have. His ability to hold the ball up and use his strength to hold off the defender is something none of our other young strikers have. And he somehow always seems to have a goal in him. We’ll see how his future goes though.

@Costas, Yeah, I can see what you mean about attitude and you are definitely right. At his age, almost everybody except the most-levelheaded like Cleverley and Welbeck will behave in a similar manner. I tell myself that sometimes I expect too much from youngsters and may be that is the case. But I do have to complain that I find that he sometimes lacks the urgency in his game.
November 30, 2011 at 21:34
TonyBee says:
Evans giving Ambrose far too much room
November 30, 2011 at 21:35
MG says:
Pogba is just a kid

Thats why SAF knows what he’s doing and journalists can go fuck themselves making up bullshit stories

You cannot expect someone with potential to just come in and take over it will take time and patience
November 30, 2011 at 21:35
Costas says:
@Cedars

Yeah, Johny has been steady today. Hasn’t done alot wrong. He and Gibson are our 2 best players for me.
November 30, 2011 at 21:36
MG says:
Fryers look like the deal
November 30, 2011 at 21:38
MG says:
Morrison Pogba Fryers

The Barca Protocol sometime in the near future
November 30, 2011 at 21:38
Sandeep1878 says:
Morisson giving it back to macheda…disgusting to see…
November 30, 2011 at 21:38
Costas says:
Ha, Kiko complained to Morrison about not passing the ball and Ravel told him to shut it.

Release your anger boys.
November 30, 2011 at 21:38
90+UntilWeScore says:
@Balaji
I agree and I think most of the players today are trying very hard to impress and are not able to play to their potential…..Fryers o.O…
November 30, 2011 at 21:41
Utd4life says:
Extra time..
November 30, 2011 at 21:42
MG says:
Hairdryer treatment

Level 5
November 30, 2011 at 21:43
JC says:
That last 10 mins was disgusting, absolutely no urgency at all on our side. Someone needs to take control and push these boys forward.
November 30, 2011 at 21:43
Eric Cantona Told Me To Tweet says:
@Costas:
Really? For me it’s Smailing hands down.
November 30, 2011 at 21:43
Eric Cantona Told Me To Tweet says:
@JC:
Bring Keano back!
November 30, 2011 at 21:43
CedarsDevil says:
MG / Costas

Thanks for the updates buddies
November 30, 2011 at 21:43
Xyth says:
This is fucking disgraceful! The fact that Smalling was our best player tells a lot!!
November 30, 2011 at 21:45
Balaji Sivaraman says:
@MG, LOL! Exactly what I thought when I looked at Sir Alex’s face as he climbed down the stairs. I wouldn’t want to be part of the team right now.
November 30, 2011 at 21:46
Costas says:
@Balaji

I think Fergie also wishes that all young lads are like Tom and Danny, but it doesn’t work like that. I think Kiko runs a lot during games, but his immaturity shows too. But sometimes I prefer a crazy talented youngster instead of a level headed but average player.
November 30, 2011 at 21:47
Sandeep1878 says:
Crastal taking it to extra time…

No wonder why King Eric had kicked them fans
November 30, 2011 at 21:47
James21 says:
Get bloody Yorke a kit and get him on.
November 30, 2011 at 21:47
CedarsDevil says:
Oh dear at some of the recent comments

Shameful
November 30, 2011 at 21:48
Sandeep1878 says:
if anyone deserves to score on the pitch, its Valencia
November 30, 2011 at 21:48
mattos says:
NOVEMBER 30, 2011 AT 21:35
MG says:
Pogba is just a kid

Thats why SAF knows what he’s doing and journalists can go fuck themselves making up bullshit stories

You cannot expect someone with potential to just come in and take over it will take time and patience

exactly. i just read someones comment saying they are disappointed because pogba hasn’t dominated the midfield and driven the team forward.. some people are expecting a bit much of him
November 30, 2011 at 21:48
plassen says:
sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/6816
November 30, 2011 at 21:48
GoatinaUnitedShirt says:
Fantastic hattrick by Pogba.
You lot were fucking spot on. I had my reservations or atleast conservative opinion on yet another United prospect but you lot got it right. So the great big gay love in that most of you tards were hot on in regards Pogma put me to shame again. Atleast my sphincter is virgo intacti you daft fekkin bummers.
Pogma the new Scholes, ha ha ha, worth £30000 a week ha ha ha. He plays like that, City can fucking have him. With the desire of our youth then it may be the only way we can put the breaks on them by selling them our drive and desire. lol.
November 30, 2011 at 21:48
Costas says:
Not that fussed about extra time. At least the game is exciting. Unlike the Crawley affair.

@Eric Cantona Told Me To Tweet

Fair shout. Forgot about Chris, I’d say he and Evans were among our best with Gibson following behind.
November 30, 2011 at 21:49
aimanunited says:
morrison, fryers show glimpse of their talent but sadly not pogba, he wasn’t perform against leeds either. pogba fans, please don’t get mad, I know he’s young and needs more time.
There’s just too much media hype on him when there’s tons of better young players out there…

I think one of the factor is because we don’t have any great CM atm so any decent young CM will be over rated. The same can be said on Tom Clev, I have no doubt that he have what it takes but to call him world class is fucking ridiculous.
November 30, 2011 at 21:49
plassen says:
Morrison is adding something special. Good to see him again!
November 30, 2011 at 21:50
CedarsDevil says:
James21

Yorkie’s smile alone won matches! haha
November 30, 2011 at 21:50
Balaji Sivaraman says:
@Costas, I think everybody who has ever had/known a kid in his late-teens wishes that they were like Tom and Danny lol. I agree with you though and I’ve defended Macheda on many occasions that he has the talent to make it, and the same applies for many of the other youngsters as well. It remains to be seen whether they do make it now.
November 30, 2011 at 21:50
Sandeep1878 says:
Zaha and 3 lung park continue to run…are they on drugs?
November 30, 2011 at 21:51
TonyBee says:
macheda’s first touch…….fucking useless
November 30, 2011 at 21:51
The Truth says:
After that shit performance, I find it hard for me to even feel remotely sympathetic about the fact that they have to play for longer without the option of getting subbed. This today was not the kind of performance you would expect from a man united team especially against such a shit opponent.

Come on United!
November 30, 2011 at 21:52
aimanunited says:
I wouldn’t mind if we get zaha next season…
November 30, 2011 at 21:52
CedarsDevil says:
We have a player named Pogma? Bloody hell, I need to catch up on things
November 30, 2011 at 21:55
Mufc_in_LA says:
WTF
November 30, 2011 at 21:55
GoatinaUnitedShirt says:
aimanunited
Yeah your a real fan with a very keen eye. You wee talking about Zaha before the kick off and alot of last week too. Do you watch alot of Palace, your lofty belief in Zaha must be based on alot of scouting.
Well done you!!
November 30, 2011 at 21:55
JC says:
Nice clear offsides goal there…
November 30, 2011 at 21:55
Balaji Sivaraman says:
@Goat, So a certain section of United fans joined the bandwagon and sang Pogba’s praises without ever having seen him. Now, you are making your judgment after one fricking game, so I ask you, how different are you from the first lot? From where I stand, both are counter-productive to actually developing him on as a player.

I remember you doing the same thing with David De Gea and we all are seeing how it turned out. I’m not saying Pogba is going to make it and I realize I don’t know football well enough to make that judgment, but your post after one performance reeks of short-sightedness.
November 30, 2011 at 21:55
The Truth says:
So basic.
November 30, 2011 at 21:55
Costas says:
Oh fuck.
November 30, 2011 at 21:55
TonyBee says:
just knew it ….shit defending yet again…Evans shut his fucking eyes
November 30, 2011 at 21:55
MG says:
tell me the difference between that goal and our goal on saturday

offside no?
November 30, 2011 at 21:55
Sandeep1878 says:
fuck it
November 30, 2011 at 21:56
Utd4life says:
Crap again.
November 30, 2011 at 21:56
aimanunited says:
what now? will we get another penalty? or a fuckin own goal? shit performance…
November 30, 2011 at 21:56
Eric Cantona Told Me To Tweet says:
Press “X” to jump.
November 30, 2011 at 21:57
Balaji Sivaraman says:
Somebody should really check Bernstein’s financials.
November 30, 2011 at 21:57
CedarsDevil says:
Balaji

Do not waste your time
November 30, 2011 at 21:58
Costas says:
Offside goal from what I hear.

Jesus Christ, do we have to beat up a linesman to make our point?
November 30, 2011 at 21:58
friveluss says:
Yep u guessed it! Its that man Evans!
November 30, 2011 at 21:58
NotoriousRedDevil says:
Whats going on? Was the goal offside?
November 30, 2011 at 22:01
Clint-iamyourpapii says:
If we lose, im becoming a pornstar….professional reasons, I want give the world my point of view.
Hope Ravels scores or Gibbo.
November 30, 2011 at 22:02
Sandeep1878 says:
doesnt matter even if its offside…they all come and go..

i still believe we gonna score
November 30, 2011 at 22:02
MG says:
It was like Saturday

Saturday not given today given

So was it offside or not?

Clear Offside
November 30, 2011 at 22:03
TonyBee says:
too many of our players are trying to make names for themselves… including Morrison and Pogba……
Diouf is fucking playing like the invisible man…..
November 30, 2011 at 22:03
Utd4life says:
Well, this is the risk you take by playing youngsters.
November 30, 2011 at 22:03
Eric Cantona Told Me To Tweet says:
My goodness Evans.. please.. just jump..
November 30, 2011 at 22:04
MG says:
I wouldn’t have cared if we had lost today as long as justice would have been served Saturday

Bitter pill to swallow
November 30, 2011 at 22:04
GoatinaUnitedShirt says:
Balaji Sivaraman
I wasnt criticising the player, Im criticizing the way the fans on here have blown him so hard he seems to be somewhat over inflated. There are all the stories in the press about his agent, city wanting him, him not signing and Im just trying to put it across that, he is just one of a mass of talents that pass through the ranks and Im not going to shake one off to a stuck up prick who doesnt know when hes got a good thing going.
As for DeGea, Im still not convinced even though Ill admit, I was wrong he isnt as bad as I painted him out to be. However I do believe that the shaky start to DeGeas career had effected the defence and its confidence during the early part of the season which is where we lost ground to City. But Im sure he’ll come good. I didnt attack the signing of DeGea I attacked the playing of him. I said ok if we sign him great then allow him to have another year at Athletico on loan.
November 30, 2011 at 22:05
JC says:
From the Guardian MbM blog: Looking at a replay of Palace’s goal, it seems that Glenn Murray was offside when the free-kick was sent into the United penalty area.

Yeah no shit.
November 30, 2011 at 22:05
Eric Cantona Told Me To Tweet says:
@Tony:
I thought Morrison was okay.. pogba on the other hand..
November 30, 2011 at 22:05
MG says:
BTW if we go we go got beat that’s it

Saturday game to be worried about too
November 30, 2011 at 22:05
NotoriousRedDevil says:
Cheers MG. 15 minutes to score a goal maybe 2? Time for the kids to show what they can do.
November 30, 2011 at 22:06
Spooky says:
This is why you need some experience on the bench. Stupid to think that just because our first team are champions that our youngsters will be better than a championship team. Not enough experience in the side tonight
November 30, 2011 at 22:06
Costas says:
Yeah offside or not, I do feel that Evans could have dealt with it better. Maybe it was too congested, but you have to make an attempt to jump there.

Overall, I am not that disappointed about the last 60 minutes. This makeshift side has played ok going forward. Unfortunately, a combination of bad defending and refereeing is our undoing again. Just like against Newcastle and Benfica…
November 30, 2011 at 22:06
keanoisdaman says:
I know…….if gibsons having a half decent game lets move onto the next scapegoat……jonny evans
November 30, 2011 at 22:07
AntiScouser says:
@MG

Oh, come on. Are you really going to blame this defeat on one decision? If anything, it’s fair since our penalty was a soft one.
November 30, 2011 at 22:08
TonyBee says:
Pogba should be p[laying where Gibson is … that’s his strength…..hid first touch has let him down and when he gets a sight of goal …all he wants to do is shoot….no matter if he is surrounded
November 30, 2011 at 22:08
MG says:
NRD

Possible but…

One will do..

Can’t understand the officiating bias towards us – its clear to see by the way
November 30, 2011 at 22:09
Costas says:
In other news, PAOK recorded the first Greek win on English soil. I am expecting MG’s Harry Redknapp piece tomorrow.

Where’s Fred? Did he fall asleep?
November 30, 2011 at 22:09
Passe says:
There might be a problem when we can’t put 2-3 passes together.
November 30, 2011 at 22:11
seanmthered says:
fucking dogshit fed up just fucking fed up
November 30, 2011 at 22:12
TonyBee says:
Macheda and his first touch……
November 30, 2011 at 22:12
James21 says:
Come on Reds.
November 30, 2011 at 22:13
MG says:
AntiScouser

No you read my post wrong

It’s easy to accept defeat from an offside goal if on the previous match a penalty should not have been given and a goal scored like that today should have been given on Saturday

Again I do not understand why fans just accept that we should thrash teams – we won the 99 CL through anything but a beat or a thrash – it was luck it was karma it was divine intervention call it what you want

But clearly when officiating has a big part to do with it then you want a goes around comes around scenario

Got it?
November 30, 2011 at 22:13
dannysoya says:
how about that. we get the easiest route to a trophy and we are about to fantastically blow it. these youngsters for the first team? fuck no. still need development. done following this performance.
November 30, 2011 at 22:14
Balaji Sivaraman says:
I think the lack of experience is really hurting us with the final ball. The play up to where we get near the opposition box is pretty good, but beyond that we are just backtracking on our plays and nothing is happening.
November 30, 2011 at 22:14
MG says:
Triffic team that PAOK
November 30, 2011 at 22:15
samuel - united WE stand says:
i’m shocked by what i’m seeing right now. we’re getting knocked out.
November 30, 2011 at 22:16
RedScot says:
Its rumoured that Paul McCartney is checking out wether Antonio Valencia is in fact single.
Christ yous yer left leg man.We know yer ankle was broken, but, so one dimensional
November 30, 2011 at 22:17
Clint-iamyourpapii says:
If we can’t beat Palace how the fuck are we gonna be buy sneijder !
Im teling you if we had Nasri,Sneijder & De Rossi this game would have ended 2 hours ago.

SAF leave now before we get beat by Basel, Jose wll come to our rescue. The glazers can fuck off too, its their fault we lost, they employed SAF back in 2005 and its been downhill since.

No wonder Ronaldo and Beckham left, the sun went down ages ago, we’re fucking DOOMED !
November 30, 2011 at 22:18
MG says:
Papii

The game would not have started you mean?
November 30, 2011 at 22:19
James21 says:
Is Diouf a footballer?
November 30, 2011 at 22:19
TonyBee says:
fuck me diouf you fucking useless cunt how many fucking touches do you want…fuck me sideways
November 30, 2011 at 22:19
MG says:
We would not have even won this with the first team!!!

Ah well good luck Palace go win it you bastards
November 30, 2011 at 22:20
MG says:
Diouf

Arsenal player in the making

One touch 2 touch 3 touch
November 30, 2011 at 22:20
Eric Cantona Told Me To Tweet says:
Palacelona
November 30, 2011 at 22:20
Balaji Sivaraman says:
The United youth experience wouldn’t be complete without the first hair-dryer, would it?
November 30, 2011 at 22:20
Xyth says:
We have too admit our midfield, whoever plays, is absolutely rubbish!!!!!

We got what we deserved – Fuck All!!!
November 30, 2011 at 22:21
Ancha says:
Is this worse than last year’s defeat to West Ham (4-0) ?

Good Experience for the kids.
November 30, 2011 at 22:21
AntiScouser says:
Cardiff in the semis? LOL
November 30, 2011 at 22:21
Eric Cantona Told Me To Tweet says:
Wait, stop blaming Diouf people, he was on the bench the whole time.
November 30, 2011 at 22:21
dazbomber says:
We could not score in a brothel with £50 note in are top pocket.
November 30, 2011 at 22:22
Fred says:
November 30, 2011 at 22:22
MG says:
Ahhhhhhhh

Palace are having a wave around Old Trafford

Nice – you see Theater of Dreams
November 30, 2011 at 22:22
mahadev says:
jonny evans – captain. lol.
November 30, 2011 at 22:23
What Fucking What says:
How bad is Diouf..? piece of shit…

seen park this tired for the first time…..

Gibson in MF… save me!!!

Macheda should’t be allowed another game after this…
November 30, 2011 at 22:23
slim says:
dannysoya

yeah right. first team don’t look much different. Damn straight they need to improve. they aren’t going to do it in reserves i can tell you that
November 30, 2011 at 22:23
NotoriousRedDevil says:
Well only caught the first half so wont be too harsh but thats disappointing. We got the tie we wanted and fucked it up offside or not. Ditto CL group stage (although we’re not out at the moment.) Means another trophy for cit-eh or the vermin finally end their trophy drought.

Actually I’m pretty fucked off since I’ve been out here not won a single game. Not sure if I’m looking forward to Saturday or not.
November 30, 2011 at 22:23
FletchTHEMAN says:
What do you lads who where begging for the juniors saying now. We needed a better midfield out there today. Well done and fair play to Palace. United B couldn’t get it done.
November 30, 2011 at 22:23
Red Neville says:
Remember children, the glass is always half full – even when it’s bone dry.

I thought Pikachu did well in midfield for Palace, but then again even our first choice midfield would make Pikachu look good wouldn’t they?
November 30, 2011 at 22:23
Utd4life says:
Well, thats that. You take a chance by placing your trust in youth and if it doesn’t come off then so be it but this club is based on the principle of giving youth a chance. Fryers and Morrison should be integrated into the first team. Disappointed with the result but we move on onwards and upwards. Goodnight fellow reds.
November 30, 2011 at 22:23
ricky says:
cant belive we lost even worse we lost at home. people who were cryin for pogba wil finally shut up now.
November 30, 2011 at 22:23
MG says:
Balaji

AntiScouser

Please feel free to comment back BTW
November 30, 2011 at 22:23
DP says:
feeling really down and depresed.how did we lose?how can we lose?
November 30, 2011 at 22:24
bbqbod says:
I must say that Diouf is fucking useless! what a waste of space.
November 30, 2011 at 22:24
kev e says:
oh dear… that’s a little embarrassing! wasn’t it after we got knocked out by Coventry that there was a bonfire of the reserves?… the boss is not going to be happy!!! ROM should be a fun place for the next hour or so… only way is up at the moment… where was our 38 year old wizard when we needed a wise head?
November 30, 2011 at 22:24
MG says:
Were we playing Pokemon?

That explains it then
November 30, 2011 at 22:25
Longneck says:
Evans, Gibson, Diouf, Macheda- DOG SHIT. Do you remember how many shots we had today? WHY IS DARRON GIBSON still here? Macheda- touch of a fucking rapist. Fergie is losing the fucking plot. This shower of shit is united.
November 30, 2011 at 22:25
OneLove"United" says:
pissed off

united are going down hill

Evans is shit

Gibson is shit
November 30, 2011 at 22:25
Clint-iamyourpapii says:
Who was that tosser that fell over twice consecutively in the last 30 secs?
He Needs shooting !

Unlucky game, it was men vs boys, we had no chance honestly
November 30, 2011 at 22:25
Eric Cantona Told Me To Tweet says:
On a serious note i thought Morrison quick and short passes were crisp.
November 30, 2011 at 22:25
kelvinchanpw says:
fucking evans is at it again, fuck off back to n.ireland
November 30, 2011 at 22:25
TonyBee says:
an absolute disgrace…far too many players playing…. that shouldn’t have been….
too many players were not fully match fit

I thought we were shocking tonight….

Its as almost SAF does not care about the Carling Cup as he always puts out shit sides ….supposedly saving players for the weekend….absolute fucking bollocks….we should always put out our strongest team… get a lead… then take off our “stars” that need to be rested…

far too often we get caught out in this fashion

oh fuckedy fuck fuck fuck……. I’M OFF TO FUCKING BED…..
November 30, 2011 at 22:26
Costas says:
Well I apologize for planning ahead to the semis last night. I clearly underestimated Palace. Congrats to them.

Not a lot wrong with this performance for me. You can’t throw 11 random players together and expect the team to click and dominate the opposition. I guess people forget about the Coventry debacle the year we won the Ch.League. Palace’s first 11 have been playing together more often. Plus, like someone above said, some of our lads were trying to win shine on their own. We weren’t playing as a team. But then again, I could say the same about our best side in the last few weeks.

Anyway, not that sad about missing out on the Carling cup. If we are going to go after a cup competition, I’d like it to be the FA cup this time.
November 30, 2011 at 22:26
lawman10 says:
credit to plalace well played never gave united an inch.

united clueless a fucking disgrace
November 30, 2011 at 22:26
mahadev says:
i thought gibson did okay. diouf and macheda were pretty poor. so was park, uncharacteristically.
November 30, 2011 at 22:27
James21 says:
MG

Right fuck it now, Disapointed but to hell with dwelling over it.
Bring on the Villa
UTD UTD UTD
November 30, 2011 at 22:27
Balaji Sivaraman says:
@NRD, So that explains it, then? We need you back in Manchester pronto. Catch the next flight out of Japan.

Seriously though, the absolute rawness when you put a team of youngsters on the big stage without experience to guide them was pretty visible. Unless Berbatov was injured – which I think he was – he should’ve stayed on. Besides that, I am actually surprised that Sir Alex went with a mostly young core up front. From what I’ve seen, he purposefully avoids that because he knows it can be overwhelming. Sure, Tony V and Park were there, but they aren’t really the motivating type of seniors. These guys need to be played with players like Rooney or Berbatov to see what they’re really capable of. Anyways, all part of the learning curve for them I guess.
November 30, 2011 at 22:27
plassen says:
On the bright side, Morrison added creativity and I really like his play. Everybody can see Pogba’s is a real talented guy, but we didn’t see the best of him.

Gibson stops all fluidity, and Diouf is totally rubbish. Machedas first touch really lets him down at times, and with a front line standing still, it’s hard to break down any opposition.
November 30, 2011 at 22:28
AntiScouser says:
Haha, some crazy comments here. Come on, have a sense of humour. At least the trophy will stay in the city
November 30, 2011 at 22:28
rat1p says:
fergie gambled high as always in the carling cup and he failed, life goes on its the fucking CARLING CUP, we have bigger fish to fry.
good night flame on!
November 30, 2011 at 22:28
CedarsDevil says:
Hahaha, this is really pathetic, not the score line but some of the posts here…
November 30, 2011 at 22:29
MG says:
Fletch

I appreciate that but they all have to start somewhere

I know it hurts I’m not saying it any other way

But it happened to Beckham Butt Scholes Nevilles Hell Ronaldo went through it – they did well at the end didn’t they?

This is just part and parcel of the game – let’s hope that loss and defeat teaches them to come back and be better. Lets hope we can overcome our problems and do well on Saturday and Wednesday for starters.

If we enjoy it when we win then we should learn when we lose, and have the capacity and understanding to get to the top doing so.

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November 30, 2011 at 22:29
fergie is the boss says:
Clint-iamyourpapii – I like your sense of humour
November 30, 2011 at 22:30
Costas says:
What a shitstorm from one time random posters. Thankfully some cool heads are also here.

@Ancha

Well said.
November 30, 2011 at 22:30
United man says:
United at the moment are going downhill no convincing wins since the win against Bolton and looking at tonight’s match we are not likely to see any in the near future I know we should trust in Fergie but BUY A MIDFIELDER
November 30, 2011 at 22:30
James21 says:
Piss of Cedars you Bully.
November 30, 2011 at 22:31
Mikekelly12 says:
Garbage!! Diouf has done nothing to change my mind, I have no idea why he is at Manchester United? Totally devoid of ideas. If you want to be considered a Manchester United player you should be grabbing games like that by the scruff of the neck and bossing a Championship side. Slim, you can add Park to the long list of full backs that have meant we have not suffered by Nevilles retirement! Rafael and Fabio struggle to finish games let alone seasons! Wow!
November 30, 2011 at 22:31
The Truth says:
Our awful performance today wasn’t the only reason we lost.There were definitely other contributing factors. Firstly, SAF’s assumption that this team is capable of beating Crystal Palace obviously wasn’t correct. Therefore, if you look at the bench there really is no plan B. Poor decision imo. Then things like Berbatov and the twins getting injured certainly didn’t help matters either- which pretty much forced Fergie’s hand into making unnecessary substitutions. What we can gather from this game is that whoever puts on the Red shirt somehow finds a way of under performing and disappointing lately. Things haven’t been great theres obviously something wrong, that needs to de addressed. These mediocre performances need to stop and the injuries too.. somehow..
November 30, 2011 at 22:31
James21 says:
I’ll try again…. Piss Off Cedars you bully.
November 30, 2011 at 22:31
Hans says:
No desire, no passion, no urgency, no ambition, no clue!!!!!
November 30, 2011 at 22:32
WillieRedNut says:
Now, will the spanners leave it to fergie, to decide when the young lads are ready? Fucking shocking lol. Well done Palace. Wanted it more, than us. We had a good run in the league cup. Two quarter final defeats in a row. Ah well. Onto Villa park. Need the 3 points.
November 30, 2011 at 22:32
Clint-iamyourpapii says:
MG We would have pulled out to prioritse the superleague featuring Just us and Super City of Stockport.

Honestly, the Lager cup was a must win this year and SAF flopped, get that wrigleys chewing, red nose reindeer out of Auld Trafford, he has not got a clue about competing in modern times.

Who the fuck plays youth in the Heineken Cup? City played Nasri,Drako,Aguero,Arsenal -Benayoun,Gervingo & Chamakh, Liverpool played everyone as did Chelsea. SAF is out of his depth fucking City have won more cups this season than we did in the last month, disgraceful, time for Josey.
November 30, 2011 at 22:32
MG says:
James21

Too right mate reading some comments you thought we had lost to Barca again

(seriously I don’t want United to lose to Barca again though ; ) )
November 30, 2011 at 22:32
Vadim says:
it is Not a one off game, we have been playing like this for the past 2 months!!!
November 30, 2011 at 22:32
Costas says:
@Cedars

It was to be expected though right?

@MG

I guess some here weren’t old enough when we lost 3-0 at home to York City. Beckham, Giggs and Phil Neville were part of that side.
November 30, 2011 at 22:32
NotoriousRedDevil says:
@ Balaji – If we don’t win the next 2 games I’m seriously considering it. Not even a can of coffee from the vending machine will cheer me up ;-(

I’m playing connect the dots with tonights game. Did we deserve to lose? What happened to Rafa? The team did look like it was picked out of a hat. Judging by the comments on here our midfield wasn’t up to scratch and neither was our defence.
November 30, 2011 at 22:32
ricky says:
credit to palace. i wouldnt mind zaha playin for us next season. ravels almost ready for 1st team. pogba way overated, been sayin this for the past 8mnths. felt sorry for park 3 lung. berba shudv stayd on instead of diouf.
i wonder who wil buy these players nw bruce is sacked.
cmon blackburn get bruce!
November 30, 2011 at 22:33
marky boy says:
Id personally drive pogba to city or arsenal and fuck him out preferable when the cars still moving,,he`s shite.
November 30, 2011 at 22:33
keano99 says:
@DP. We lost because we have too many average players who arnt good enough to wear the shirt and I’m sick of it. But the worst part is we have no one to take responsibility for it our manager is a living god who no one will question and our owners only care about paying their debt with our money but if u think this is bad wait till may when we have to watch city parade the league trophy around. Were going backwards.
November 30, 2011 at 22:33
Andrew Anthony says:
Shrek 5′s coming out soon, I heard Diouf is playing the Donkey.
November 30, 2011 at 22:33
stacewm says:
by far THE WORST UNITED side i have ever seen. team B was 2nd best to a championship side and lost at old trafford…the 6:1 seems better at this point. and to think fergie is adamant about not spending in jan!!!
November 30, 2011 at 22:34
JC says:
Reasons we lost:
1. Diouf (waste of roster spot)
2. Macheda (yeah he scored a pen but it was won thanks to the nicely played pass from Morrison)
3. Real lack of energy and ideas in the ET
4. Need to finish much better, could have been 5-2 if we’d hit the net or take shots on the 1st touch in the box

Reasons for hope:
1. Smalling is a beast.
2. Gobbo looked pretty good going forward and back
3. Morrison and Fryers look pretty good, Pogba can get his quintuple wages from Shitty whenever he’d like and no one should care
November 30, 2011 at 22:34
marky boy says:
ravel and fryers are very talented
November 30, 2011 at 22:34
fergie is the boss says:
The Truth – now the twins getting injured that is a shock
November 30, 2011 at 22:34
MG says:
Papii

I totally agree
November 30, 2011 at 22:35
william says:
Learning experience for the youngsters, they’ll use their regret as fuel to improve
November 30, 2011 at 22:36
samuel - united WE stand says:
If this is not the end of donkey darron gibson then i don’t know what is, a joke of a footballer and pogba an inexperienced young player showed more on the pitch than gibson has in his whole manchester united career.

All this scapegoat shit is crap. gibson, diouf were all supposed to be experienced but they don’t deserve to wear the shirt of this club.

Valencia looks like he’s getting found out now, workman like and predictable, decent player but has been below par this season, jury is still out on macheda like i’ve said, if he doesn’t improve then he’ll be shipped out

All the young players performed well, pogba looks ready if partnerd with an experience player, morrison still needs growing up to do but the talent is evident, fryers put in a solid performance.

We’ve just given ammunition to every A.B.U cunt to attack us now, please please Fergie i’ll pay the taxi to move gibbo out of this football club along with his pathetic sidekicks, I’M SO FUCKING LIVID RIGHT NOW, LIVID.
November 30, 2011 at 22:36
NotoriousRedDevil says:
Tell me Berbatov isn’t injured? What a great start to the day!
November 30, 2011 at 22:36
MG says:
Costas

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don’t tell these young fans that!
November 30, 2011 at 22:36
dannysoya says:
really hard not to be pissed with that performance. im pissed to high heaven. We need a kick right up the arse. apparently the 6-1 was not enough we need a shellshocker so we can wake the fuck up. plus i just lost 10 bucks i wanted to use for food. hungry and fucking pissed.
November 30, 2011 at 22:36
CedarsDevil says:
Costas – Indeed

James21 – Me a bully? Just a softy at heart! hahahaha

NIght all and well done to the Eagles
November 30, 2011 at 22:36
WillieRedNut says:
Viva Ravel! Got some nice touches on him. Like to see the kid with some of the older players. Pogba, can’t really judge. Ended up in defense ffs! The twins are made of glass lol. Love United, Hate the league cup.
November 30, 2011 at 22:37
JC says:
*Gibbo obviously
November 30, 2011 at 22:37
shebangsthedrums says:
Macheda’s touch was poor, was seeing the headlines before he’d created them! Thought Morrison did well. Anyway, we’ve got a busy xmas schedule now and then the fa cup starts so I think some of these players will get more opportunities.
November 30, 2011 at 22:37
Costas says:
The only thing I didn’t get about this game was the Berbatov substitution. If he wasn’t injured, and assuming Fergie’s main goal was to win this, what was the point of taking him instead of Diouf off? If Ferguson wanted to take a long hard look at Diouf before making up his mind about him, I think today might have been his last match for us.
November 30, 2011 at 22:38
MG says:
Now can we finally sign Sneijder and beat The Optimus C’s cause it’s there fault you know?
November 30, 2011 at 22:38
WillieRedNut says:
City dippers!!
November 30, 2011 at 22:38
JC says:
@ samuel – you must have been watching a different game pal, Gibson had a pretty damn good game and Pogba showed absolutely nothing.
November 30, 2011 at 22:39
Arun Rajkumar says:
City Vs Liverpool and Cardiff Vs Palace… Gutted to see anyone of them to lift the cup
November 30, 2011 at 22:39
ricky says:
i think we all should protest outside roy keanes house and get him back from retirement. ive packd my prawn sandwiches, watch out for the dogs and keep your phones on silent.

CMON whos ready!
November 30, 2011 at 22:39
FletchTHEMAN says:
2 offsides in 2 games going against us. Right, United get all the decisions.

@MG, Completely agree with ya mate. I was just having a go at the lads who where saying that Pogba and Morrison should have been on from the off. Pogba comes on and they score right after. It is a learning thing that I love as well. But I just get P*ssed off with all these lads who have no understanding how good championship teams can be. Our reserves would not beat a top ten championship side. Well, maybe 1 out of 3. As I said, credit to Palace. CP played a game even though 2nd was miles offside.
Back in the day we didn’t have such a strong squad though. I see more need to stay in CC than in the 90′s. Good place for the B team to get games.

Credit to Palace.
November 30, 2011 at 22:40
WillieRedNut says:
Donkey Gibson, Samuel? That’s shocking mate.
November 30, 2011 at 22:40
Clint-iamyourpapii says:
Pogba is fucking aweful its like he’s been scouted from some daft french team and has been labelled as the new Vieira when in fact he is more like Diaby.
Morrison is in jail and when on Bail does community service for his local club. Not worthy, send him back to Guantanamo.
Fryers….whats his parents named? Cookers and Cleaners?
Mame is obviously missing his Bebe.
MaCHEDDAR – is as good as Caroll is on a good day !

I blame Matt Busby, he forced SAF to play youth, now we’re paying the price. When was the last time we bought or made any good young players?

Time to Jump Ship, here I come PARIS ST GERMAIN :8)

Who is Jibbson? Is he an intern?
November 30, 2011 at 22:40
AntiScouser says:
I’ll be the first one to congratulate our noisy neighbours. I won’t admire their parade, but if it comes to that, it will mean they deserved it.

We currently have technically and tactically inferior players.

But time changes everything.
November 30, 2011 at 22:40
RedRich says:
What exactly is the point of Diouf and Gibson? There is no-one in United’s massive support thinks either is any good so presumably Fergie wanted us out.

It’s no big deal but we are very thin up front without Rooney. Berb no longer up to much. Hardly a dynamic threat. Welbeck coming on quite well. Macheda continues to disappoint. Owen always injured. Chico class. It’s not enough for a top club.

Midfield we all know we ain’t good enough and we scare no-one at all anymore so we need some imports of quality fast. One top striker and one top midfielder.

Big plus for me tonight. Zeki. Really good.
November 30, 2011 at 22:41
Costas says:
@Notorious

Berbatov was taken off at half time, but it’s not yet clear if it was a tactical sub or not. Injured or not does it make a difference? If Welbeck is fit again, Berbatov won’t get a look in over ther next 2 games. That’s how it works anymore.

As for the game, imo some good individual performances (Gibson, Smalling and Evans until their goal), but we never played well as a team.
November 30, 2011 at 22:41
shebangsthedrums says:
Another thing, I’ll always support anyone who wears the red shirt, but I just don’t think Evans is good enough.
November 30, 2011 at 22:42
kev e says:
2 massive games coming up meant we had to gamble on the team. its not rocket science. the big boys will be playing Saturday and again on wed, we will need the most experienced team we’ve got for the Swiss next week, fresh and ready. that’s why there was no plan b. the boss must have thought the team could do a job but palace played really well, a cup final for them. A bit harsh to expect some young kids to pull the game out of the hat. sounds like Morrison and fryers played well though. Shame we hadn’t taken our chances in the CL because if we’d have already progressed maybe with the addition of a couple of key players these guys could have been part of a winning team. We’d normally expect a couple of experienced heads, vida, giggs, carrick or Rooney to add some steel to the b team.
November 30, 2011 at 22:43
The Truth says:
keano99
Way too pessimistic considering this is JUST a CARLING CUP GAME. I had a bit of a pop early, but visualising City winning the league and our downfall is extreme. ‘our manager is a living god who no one will question’ WTF?. SAF is not questioned often because he usually never gets it wrong. Why criticize someone who is doing their job so well? I sometimes question his choices, but it never gets to the point where for a second I question his ability to take the club forward. He is the best man for the job, as proven for the past god knows years. You shouldn’t make such crazy comments due to a dip in form, this shit happens. United will be back. You are far too negative, just chill.
November 30, 2011 at 22:43
TheCANTONA says:
Just chill out man…
Not the first United got suprised defeats. Remember Coventry or Leeds in 09/10? Felt much more hurt when the Leedscum beat us at OT than this time. SAF is rebulding his team again, just like 2005 so NO need for over-reaction…
November 30, 2011 at 22:44
Costas says:
Hopefully Park will be given the weekend off. We need him at Villa Park of course, but in Carrick’s absence, we need him even more in Switzerland.
November 30, 2011 at 22:45
WillieRedNut says:
I’m waiting for someone to blame the Glazers LMAO!

Leeches!!
November 30, 2011 at 22:45
dannysoya says:
this game also showed another thing. Only Fergie knows when youngsters are ready? Pogba ready for a starting 11 berth or even a place in the first team? LMAO you fucking kidding. the boy who should be given an immediate promotion is morrison. looks like he could thrive amongst first teamers. Diouf? id rather not say cuz if i start i wont finish.
November 30, 2011 at 22:46
eplfan says:
Opinions about Pogba

(having not seen him play much)…he is the best ever
(having seen him play)…let him go to shitty

Seriously, give him a break..just one game..
November 30, 2011 at 22:46
NotoriousRedDevil says:
@ Costas. Cheers mate for responding. Frustrating being left in the dark because of where I am. Good to hear Gibson played well. While he’s still on our books we can still utilise him and who knows the penny may have dropped plus never been a hater of his.

Its hard to play well as a team when you just throw players together like that. We got away with it in the previous 2 rounds. Oh well have a less congested fixture list. Will we take advantage? I want to see us win while I’m on foreign soil god damn it!!!!
November 30, 2011 at 22:46
Jim says:
Wow not often a group of players embarass the club like that.
My god the twins need to man up
November 30, 2011 at 22:47
Costas says:
@wille

Nah, it’s Gibson’s night to shine.:lol: Well done to the lad though. First full game (and a 2 hour one at that) in 6 months and he did quite well.
November 30, 2011 at 22:48
WillieRedNut says:
I love the over reactions lol. Get Fergie out! Steve Bruce in!
November 30, 2011 at 22:48
Clint-iamyourpapii says:
Berba’s being rested for weekend
Bunch of optimists here

Out;
Evans,Fabio,Amos, Pogba,Gibson,Mame,Macheda,Berba,owen + Ando.

In;
Rodwell,Alba, Krul, MVila, Sneijder, Cavani,Goetze,Mario Gomez,Anelka + Tiote.
November 30, 2011 at 22:50
samuel - united WE stand says:
What were people expecting from pogba? FUCKING mazy maradona dribble while flicking it up and scissors kicking it into the net?

he was meant to get help from the so called experienced players but who stood up and become leaders? NO ONE, if anyone was expecting the finished article from pogba then you are lost and secondly we don’t know if this rumors are true.

No leaders on the pitch tonight, gibbo who racked up champions league and premier league experiences has finally proved he is a championship player, nah that would be an insult on championship players. MR ‘I only rely on my inaccurate shooting to gain the limelight’.

Diouf will definitely leave, i always thought Fergie was harsh on him but hasta la vista mate.

Macheda needs to go out On loan to prove he is cut out for the premier league, roberto martinez needs strikers so go join them or fuck off, i’ve had enough of shambolic performances.

Park tried hard as always and i got nothing bad to say about little JI, plays his heart out but lacking technically.

morrison still needs more work but he definitely will be that creative player united need in time, fryers looks likely to push evra now.
November 30, 2011 at 22:51
rat1p says:
@Clint-iamyourpapii

im sorry to tell you but you forgot HESKEY
November 30, 2011 at 22:51
slim says:
Mikekelly12

we got that part right. despite their injuries. Bashed heli-pad head yesterday but kiko and diouf dint do enough on the night. The whole thing looked sort of flat. Like something or someone was a major downer before the party started.

Costas – where the fuck are you, we’ve got to sort this medical shit out. You and me we’ll dust off CV’s and err… Seriously though our players are dropping fast. I wonder if the “Nigerian nurse ” has made her way to OT medical.That would explain a whole lot
November 30, 2011 at 22:52
fitz'em'good'n'tight says:
why is gibson getting so much shit????
i actually thought he played well, he passed the ball around well, the problem was there was no movement up front.

NEWSFLASH!! – Sometimes united lose matches.
November 30, 2011 at 22:52
shebangsthedrums says:
Berbatov injured, gutted! we may need him over the xmas period. A mention for Fryers, I think he did well, the fact that he went almost unnoticed says a lot. He got on with his job, no problems, reminds me of Denis Irwin.
November 30, 2011 at 22:52
NotoriousRedDevil says:
One final note, from what I’ve noticed from this season so far and the first half of todays game. Tony V is too predictable. He should have had enough time to get over his injury. We’re in December now for fucks sake. He has a world class right foot, but his refusal/inability (not sure which) to use his left foot is pissing me off more and more every time I see him play. If we can all see it I’m sure the opposition know it too. And people have the NERVE to call Beckham one footed. Please do me a favour.
November 30, 2011 at 22:53
GoatinaUnitedShirt says:
What I dont get is the fucking praise these youngsters get from some fans. They say they are the dogs bolox after tearing apart the youngsters and b list players of other teams (which in my eyes is expected – not neccessarily something to praise). They then play a 1st team match and shit up against the wall and then the fans on here then say its a great education for them and theyre young and they have time. Maybe they have time, just not at OT. How old was Rooney, Ronaldo, Owen, Fowler, Beckham, Scholes, The Nevilles when they were playing good good first team football. Funny enough the same fucking age. If they cant show any sign of being a star amongst b-league chavs at the age of 18 then they can fuck off. Whats the point of Carrington when we produce garbage like that. Believing theyve made it before they get there finger damp for the first time. Cunts absolute wasting cunts.
I can tell you now. NON of this bunch of shite, Pogba, Morrison, Amos or Diouf will ever be first team regulars. Im 100% confident of that. Unfortunately there are also a few hangers on as well that get 1st team games and really are only b-list individuals who seem to take up valuable squad space.

Dont get me wrong, I love United and live my life for them but some of the squad needs shifting through the door. There are players on our squad list who arent good enough to displace anyone on Citys squad list. Is that where we want to be. Is that what we have become after all this hard work.
November 30, 2011 at 22:53
MG says:
Night Cedars

Too right Fletch

AntiScouser

Heres the thing sunshine and you better cut and paste it in the memory banks

You said something to me I replied back to you fair and square

Obviously you haven’t replied back – do yourself a favour don’t bother next time – to be fair you don’t have to say anything to me of course it would have helped if you had not addressed me in the first place with all due respect

Please no one start with the ROM police shit – I don’t want no ones attention for the wrong reason – If my response is out of order I’ll apologise for being urgent in a point of call.

At the end I don’t give a shit anymore if people cannot read me between the lines it’s all good.

Sad today today but as always there will be better days ahead for us all

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November 30, 2011 at 22:54
Costas says:
Just saw on twitter that MUTV reported that Berbatov left the ground with a protective boot. Ouch. I hope Welbeck is back.

@Notorious

I just want us to win at OT again damn it! It has been a while since we didn’t win 3 straight games there. Keep in mind that was my view on Gibson today. Considering his injury and the little amount of action he’s seen in 6 months, I thought he played well. Some very good passing too. But of course you’ll find a lot more fans blaming him for everything including Fergie’s ridiculously long nose hair. So who am I to talk?
November 30, 2011 at 22:54
AntiScouser says:
One bad game and you would ship half of our team out? What fucking good would that do?

Palace knocked us off our perch
November 30, 2011 at 22:55
trevor says:
Lads, I am pleased for my Palace Supporting nephews they deserved their win!

I really do hope we have seen gibson’s last game for united thats for fooking sure! What is it with them Bloody twins! They just cane keep fit! I hope its really due to them growing who bloody knows.

Valencia didnt look match fit at all.

Really dissapointed with Diouf & Macheda. not what i epected.

Nice to see a little of pogba he does look a promising talent, surely highlighted how shit gibson was.

Berbatov injured but i was sort of glad, he was wank!

Evans and Smalling were my best 2 players! Evans slightly at fault for their winner but had a solid enough game!
November 30, 2011 at 22:55
MG says:
Willie

Beat this one then

Get SAF out get the esteemed FSW in!
November 30, 2011 at 22:59
NotoriousRedDevil says:
@ Costas. Your opinion means a lot more to me than many on here. Majority of football fans need a scapegoat, you see the bigger picture. Whats your guess on how long the twins are out for? The club will say 2 weeks I say 6 weeks.

@shebangsthedrums. Hows it going been a while since I’ve seen you on here? Out of interest you going to any of the Roses gigs next summer? Anyway hope you’re keeping well.
November 30, 2011 at 23:00
NotoriousRedDevil says:
PS – Its all Mike Phelans fault
November 30, 2011 at 23:00
Mikekelly12 says:
Morrison looked like he’s not far off, needed some like minded players who were on the same wavelength as him. Don’t know why Pogba is being slated?! Fryers looks good but gave the ball away cheaply at times, once ironed out should push on. Poor marking job from Evans for the goal but other than that solid. Smalling by far our best player. Doesn’t detract from the fact that our performance as a whole was garbage! Well done Palace, you did less time wasting than Newcastle did and played in the right spirit of the game. And what a fucking goal!
November 30, 2011 at 23:00
WillieRedNut says:
MG – Ha ha. Fergie is clueless though. I mean, the arm chair fans know the game than him, right?

@Costas

Gibbo is the haters safety net lol. Can’t blame him, they’ll move onto someone else. Bad one for Berba? Really need Rooney to find his form again.
November 30, 2011 at 23:01
slim says:
shebangsthedrums

yes indeed. Fryers was all right. Pitch full of men and he did good. Except the errant clearance that nearly lead to a goal in the second half. Thought he did well and you can certainly say he’s not fazed. Bleated on about how Pogba and co should get a look in but honestly Zeki deserves it even more. It’ll be good anyway a real stand in for Evra, with the twins breaking every game they play, a little insurance never hurt anyone
November 30, 2011 at 23:01
Costas says:
@slim

Ha! I’ll give the medical team the night off mate. Shocking, I know. I never blame them for new injuries anyway. If I hear that Welbeck is still not ready, then you’ll see my wrath.

Look, Berba’s injury is a result of an awkward landing. It happens. The guy has been quite injury free while he’s been here too. However, I think it’s time the twins’ situation got addressed. It’s become a joke now and I for one hate making fun of when a United player will get injured. But it’s become this predictable with these two. Are they talented? Damn right. But like I said earlier, has anyone wondered why the Madrids, the Barcelonas and the Milans never went after them? For the last 3 years we’ve been saying that their body is still developing. Well they are 21-22 now, so that’s clearly not the case anymore. The Nevilles were tough nuts at that age. Zeki Fryers looked good tonight I thought, but we still need reliable full backs that will play week in week out.
November 30, 2011 at 23:02
samuel - united WE stand says:
Willie – maybe donkey is a bit harsh but he isn’t good enough for united, at 24 you or anyone should expect him to be a starter at united but he is out of his depth.

He is not the only one, diouf and macheda lack the drive and determination that make manchester united players, macheda has more of a chance of rectifying his mistakes though compared to diouf who looks lost and blames a young player like morrison who was good tonight.

Evans and smalling weren’t very good but coming back from injuries, sloppyness is expected even though evans does have his lapses of concentration occasionally but a good player nonetheless.

I’m just pissed off, i bought a punching bag and gloves last week so i’m gonna be mohammed ali for tonight.
November 30, 2011 at 23:02
James21 says:
MG
Get SAF out and bring in John Bond.
November 30, 2011 at 23:03
AntiScouser says:
@MG

Although it pains me to say this, I’m not interested in absorbing your wisdom. I sincerely apologise for leaving an impression like I care about what you have to say, but I don’t. For all your eloquence, vigour and visceral angst, this is the internet, my son, and you are just one nickname in a sea of nicknames.

…

Get it?
November 30, 2011 at 23:04
Dela says:
Vulchers out again here I see. Gutted about that loss. Sir Alex gave those lads a really REALLY big opportunity tonight to show him they are capable of stepping up and the only player that really looked like he was trying to impress and change the game was Valencia. Smalling played very well. Park tried now and then but really… Park, Smalling and Valencia were the only ones there who have a shout at the first 11 at the moment.

I’m getting concerned over the da silva twins too. I noticed that Fabio is barely able to play a full game, he usually comes off injured or is replaced due to fatigue, and Rafa has his own battles. Hopefully the both of them are just in a long-running fitness battle that they’ll get over.

But Fryers, Morrison, Pogba, Diouf, Macheda, Gibson, Evans, Amos…. come on guys… you can do better than that. Amos really should have gotten a hand to that first shot…. don’t get me wrong, it was a BEAUTY of a strike, but the way Amos dived at it was just awful… almost like he jumped backwards and sacrificed a few vital inches of height.

Still, in perspective….. It’s the least important competition we compete in every year. West Ham humiliated a very similar United team last year. Fergie, I suspect, doesn’t give a shit about the Carling Cup. I can;t stand how Sky Sports commentators almost came in their pants… “CRYSTAL PALACE HAVE BEATEN MANCHESTER UNITED…. ILL SAY IT AGAIN…. CRYSTAL PALACE HAVE BEATEN MANCHESTER UNITED”…

lol… that would be much more impressive if they could overcome our first 11 with theirs…. if they could get through smalling, evra, vida, jones to put the ball past de gea…. if they could compete with Nani, Young or Valencia on the wings….. contend with Giggsy, Ando, Cleverley, Carrick, Fletcher on their day… and most of all, if they could stop Wazza, Welbeck or Chicharito when they get started…… NO… they couldn’t…… so let’s not get ahead of ourselves now….. they beat a mix of United’s kids, players returning from injury and players that simply needed a game. They’ll play Derby at the weekend now and lose.

I am very concerned though about how things are panning out. It could be one of those years where we’re dropping points in the most inexplicable ways….. like Newcastle, or how we ended up drawing with Benfica…. nothing seems to be going our way from officials decisions to injuries etc. we had one of those seasons in 09/10… the way we lost to Chelsea twice when we didnt deserve it…. how Munich knocked us out of the champions league after we arguably played our best football of the season…. held to a draw by blackburn that ultimately lost us the league meanwhile Chelsea don’t get two blatant penalties against them away at Bolton…. knocked out of the FA Cup at Old Trafford in the third round by Leeds and so on and so forth…. then to top it all off, we lose the league by one measly stinking point. That season was a season well worth forgetting, but at least none of us even bloody remembers that we won the Carling Cup in 2010
November 30, 2011 at 23:06
shebangsthedrums says:
NRD – I’ve been on here few times, read it more than I comment. Would have loved to get to the Roses but alas, sold out! It always disappoints me when I see empty seats at OT, I would have gone tonight if I was in or near Manc. My son keeps asking to take him to see United so I’ll be up there soon. How are you anyway? Defo all Phelans fault!!
November 30, 2011 at 23:07
Costas says:
@Notorious

Thanks. It works both ways. That’s why I hope your stay in Japan won’t stop you from catching us in action as often as possible.

Haven’t heard anything about their injuries yet. Fabio’s looks like a hamstring injury so 2 weeks sounds positive. But like you said, timetables mean little anymore. And just like that, another mini injury crisis is upon us…
November 30, 2011 at 23:10
WillieRedNut says:
Samuel – How many times did Gibson look up to play the ball, and seen Kiko and Diouf standing next to each other? No movement from them. My old man noticed it before me. What I’ve always said about Gibbo, he’s a squad player. He’s never gonna control a game like Scholes. Or lead the team like Keane. Honestly though, he didn’t play that bad tonight. He’s an easy target for fans imo.
November 30, 2011 at 23:11
avishek says:
shocking reactions from some posters

i can take 10 more defeats like this if it is about giving a break to the young ones to see their capabilities whether we can or cannot see a particular one playing for us at the big stage after 4 or 5 years.

we need to think from a broader perspective here
November 30, 2011 at 23:12
samuel - united WE stand says:
How can anyone say people are hating on gibson? if a player keeps putting in below par performances despite having relatively decent experience at all level and lets not forget that darron gibson is an international for republic of ireland but he has looked pathetic for a while.

I’m all for giving players chances, i’ve analysed and studied his abilities and contribution on the pitch and in my opinion, he isn’t good enough for a club of United’s calibre, maybe he wasn’t that bad tonight but he still looked out of his depth, if that makes me a ‘hater’ for pointing out his incompetence then i’ll embrace that tag, i’m not one to care much. it’s my opinion and anyone can disagree, like i said i’ll respect anyone’s opinion but won’t necessarily agree.

I just wanna CLARIFY, he WASN’T the only poor player on the pitch tonight, i expected more from him as he is meant to be experienced like diouf e.t.c.
November 30, 2011 at 23:14
slim says:
AntiScouser – yeah thing is ROM is sort of an oasis. so MG’s easily recognizable.get it
November 30, 2011 at 23:18
Fred says:
Sir Alex: “I don’t know where to start. My apologies to the fans… that was not a Manchester United performance.”
November 30, 2011 at 23:18
avishek says:
how many times have we seen this line up?if they were to understand each other please give them at least 1 game..
November 30, 2011 at 23:18
AntiScouser says:
@slim

Do you expect me to reflect on that unintelligible gibberish?

Have work to do tomorrow. Nighty night.
November 30, 2011 at 23:21
slim says:
chuckling here. Gibbo isn’t the problem here. Those players are all United players this was not a one man fuck up.Its an interesting time within OT. and my increasingly favorite phrase . “All will be unraveled” rings true again
November 30, 2011 at 23:23
Fred says:
This isn’t the first time that we’ve put out a team of reserves and fringe players and they have embarrassed us. It seems to happen at least once a season, so I wouldn’t read too much into it.
November 30, 2011 at 23:24
samuel - united WE stand says:
Willie – i’ve repeated that he wasn’t that bad but and as you say, he is a squad player at best but a squad player should have the ambition to be a main first team player, you can bet gibbo doesn’t wanna be on the bench for his whole united career, surely more should be expected from him?

i agree that macheda and diouf didn’t help matters and i’ve lambasted both of them. Diouf has no future at manchester united and as for macheda, major improvement is needed from him. I don’t want another guiseppi rossi situation in which a player is let go and turns into a sensation at another club, the italian should go on loan, that decision to join sampdoria last season seems to have nothing to do with his footballing development but a chance to fuck off to sunny italy for a holiday, martinez can take him on loan.

I’m beyond frustrated right now and if i offend anyone then apologies.
November 30, 2011 at 23:25
slim says:
AntiScouser – you’re anonymous remember. i don’t expect fuck all from you
November 30, 2011 at 23:26
Red Neville says:
Why has the off the ball movement been so terrible these past couple of months amongst our attacking players? Players are throwing their hands up in frustration because there just is no outlet – Rooney in particular recently, what is happening on the training pitch? All the players seem to be on different wavelengths and are getting frustrated.

We seem to have lost the ability to pull teams out of shape. When we had 70% of possession against City in the first 30 mins, City created 4 chances with 30% of possession, we created 1 half chance with 70% possession. There is no imagination in the movement – and worse, sometimes no movement at all. When there is movement it is jogging forward in straight predictable lines.

The last time I remember us looking this dire and uninspiring was at the beginning of Jose Arrogantio’s reign at Chewsea when we entered a deep sleep.
November 30, 2011 at 23:26
kanchelskis says:
I know we were disappointing tonight, but I just wanna get another issue of my chest – namely the media’s blind refusal to point out, or even acknowledge the fact Palace’s goal was offside.

BBC live text didn’t mention it ONCE, and their match report says in it’s summary “Utd’s players will point to the fact Murray was in an offisde position, BUT… etc etc”.

I know we deserved nothing from the game, but to fail to mention the fact that the winning goal plainly shouldn’t have stood – presumably cos it doesn’t fit within the simplfied ‘impressive giant-slaying’ narrative to which the media so lazily and persistently revert – is fucking piss-poor journalistic standards.
November 30, 2011 at 23:26
smartalex says:
marky boy

You say “Id personally drive pogba to city or arsenal and fuck him out preferable when the cars still moving,,he`s shite.”, yet clearly that is not true. You are a coward, and wouldn’t have the balls to look Pogba in the eye, let alone ‘fuck him out preferable when the cars still moving’

Hiding behind a username and threatening violence against our young lads.
It is you that is the ‘shite’
November 30, 2011 at 23:28
Red Neville says:
9 full internationals started the game for us tonight.
November 30, 2011 at 23:28
MG says:
Wisdom can only be obtained by the wise not the foolhardy

Any action equates a reaction to which if one cannot comprehend the loss is within you I have nothing to lose

I am a nickname to those who cannot see into me – to those that can they know of what I possess. Your life is enriched by your boundaries mine is enriched by my limitless choice. I have no need for you either respectfully.

No Dalai Lama never quoted it I did

No Holiness in sight though

Thanks slim you said it best I just let the writer in me go off for a tick here and a tock there

Thanks for the fun AntiScouser thing is you ain’t the Jam and like most around here will be long gone when the rest of the ROM are still standing

Now Hi ho hi ho it’s off to college work I go!
November 30, 2011 at 23:28
WillieRedNut says:
Fred – Exactly. The experienced players on the pitch, fared as bad, as the young lads though. Tony v and Park really struggled. At least Fergie was honest.
November 30, 2011 at 23:30
Costas says:
Well youngsters alone won’t win you any competition. Even the carling cup. EVerytime we’ve won it, we’ve had to rely on the big guns after a certain point. You need experience and if the twins and Berbatov hadn’t gotten injured, it might have been a different story. And like Fred said, whether it’s Coventry at home, Southend away, West Ham away or Crystal Palace at home, these runs tend to end on a bad note. At least Fergie has a better idea of who he can depend on now.
November 30, 2011 at 23:30
Fred says:
LOL Kanchelskis, it was exactly the same on Saturday. “Who cares if it wasn’t a penalty? Newcastle deserve this great result!” Erm, what?
November 30, 2011 at 23:31
denton davey says:
YourLoyalSkyver took the afternoon off – glad I didn’t have to pay. What was really distressing about the match was the lack of drive-the-net, give-and-go, hard-to-the-byeline kind of attack that UTD are supposed to feature. Instead, it was endless “cycling” the ball around the perimeter of the defensive box in which Palace had nine guys. It was like watching Barcelona without Messi/Xavi/Iniesta probing the defensive and splitting them apart.
November 30, 2011 at 23:33
WillieRedNut says:
Match day brings the spases out? I try to bury the dark side, but Wolfie wants to party! LOL. Fuck this! RRW will among you soon!
November 30, 2011 at 23:33
JD says:
Shite performance all round, trying to tiptoe round the edge of their box when there are 8 defenders playing the biggest game of their lives, should of played with more width throughout the game. There could of been of a two legged semi against either shitty or the dippers ffs. Sayin that I’m all for playing fringe and youth players in this cup, they just weren’t good enough tonight. Kiko and Diouf never will be in my eyes! We’ll never die!!!!
November 30, 2011 at 23:35
denton davey says:
RedScot @ 22:16: “Christ yous yer left leg man [Antonio Valencia]. We know yer ankle was broken, but, so one dimensional.”

This is usually my criticism of him BUT there was one moment in the first half when he used the outside of his LEFT boot and made a tremendous forty-yard pass that went around the defender and stopped about twenty yards from the end-line where Rafael ran on to it. SO, if he can do that then why doesn’t he do it more often ?
November 30, 2011 at 23:35
FletchTHEMAN says:
@Fred OUUUUCH! Have to agree though. The final balls were just shocking. Wasted time and again.
Ow well. Hope some lessons were learned. Especially about Diouf, Kiko and Pogba.

One positive: We started 4 players that we have had since under 16. And ended up playing 7.

OF top 4 teams, only Arsenal played a similar line up.
Cheslea and Cittay only started 1 player that they have had since 16.

United youth.
November 30, 2011 at 23:36
Balaji Sivaraman says:
I wish everyone would do what I do to wind down after a loss like that. One guess?

@Denton, Exactly! That is what I posted above when I was talking about the lack of experience. We got near their box and back-tracked almost all the way back to the goalkeeper. That is where we sorely lacked the senior player like Giggs, Rooney or Carrick, who is going to make sure that the final piece of the puzzle is in place for the youngsters.
November 30, 2011 at 23:36
shebangsthedrums says:
kanchelskis – Well said, their goal was offside and the linesman should have got that one right as he started of in an offside position, wasn’t hard was it?
November 30, 2011 at 23:36
smartalex says:
denton davey, good evening. I agree with your 23:31 view.
Patience is a good quality, but sometimes you have to make things happen.
Perhaps if Giggs or Jones had played, the spark would have been there.
November 30, 2011 at 23:36
Fred says:
LOL Willie. HOWWWWLLLL!!! It must be a full moon.
November 30, 2011 at 23:37
WillieRedNut says:
Denton – Yeah, we were very predictable. Apart from Ravel. He was able to find some space. Just a pity, he didn’t bury that chance, the keeper saved with his feet.
November 30, 2011 at 23:37
Fred says:
Balaji – yoga?
November 30, 2011 at 23:38
fergie is the boss says:
WillieRedNut – I do think we see some of the players out tonight I do feel they should have been moved on, macheda diouff gibson I do not think they will ever make it, and keeping them is just wasted wages and space for perhaps better players to come through.

Valencia does not seem to have gained on of his drive or pace, and is becoming a little predictable, park worked hard but its just not good enough for a team like united
November 30, 2011 at 23:39
samuel - united WE stand says:
You can bet that a lot of players careers at united have finished tonight, Fergie would be just as livid because any competition should not be taken for granted.

All these crap about it being a shit cup, well that is just bullshit because within a season, you don’t know what you will win or if you will win anything, gotta respect every team.

finally, it will be a city vs pool league cup final. not that i really give a fuck.
November 30, 2011 at 23:40
WillieRedNut says:
You need a woman Balaji. Seriously though, you do!
November 30, 2011 at 23:40
pablo says:
just got back from the game another £37 quid plus transport/beers/food wasted so worthy of stating my opinion……adios to diouf macheda park gibbo thanks for your efforts but aint good enough for man united.need a right full back cos the brazilians cant put two games together between them and question marks remain still with evans and dare i say valencia……the young lads are still way behind regular first team places so basically jan transfer window here we come…if not hate to say this but citeh will be champs…..simple as….!!!
November 30, 2011 at 23:41
Balaji Sivaraman says:
You dirty, dirty people!

I call my dad and rant at him for half an hour.
November 30, 2011 at 23:43
smartalex says:
pablo

We also hate you saying that buddy, so do us a favour, eh?
November 30, 2011 at 23:44
NotoriousRedDevil says:
@shebangsthedrums – I’m good thanks, moved over to Japan pretty much till the end of the season bar a few weeks off in Feb. Its always disappointing seeing empty seats at least the club were honest about the attendance instead of lying about it like they did vs Coventry. This was always going to have a low attendance. You’ll have better luck getting to OT, with our run of form can see the majority of fair weather fans not bothering with our run of form. Thats a good thing because hopefully supporters like yourself who make noise come in and take their place.

@ Costas. Haters have had a field day today. Berba left in a protective boot. Makes no difference because he barely plays anyway. Then we have the Gibson fiasco, and Evans getting stick for good measure.

Right no more on here have to work.
November 30, 2011 at 23:44
fergie is the boss says:
smartalex – there is patience but the development of the team does not look to be going anywhere, for 2 reasons

1 we seem to have quiet a few players always injured especially players of the ages 22 and 23, and the older players 29 onwards are always injured or never fit.

2 for me we are still stuck in this value for money era currently going on at the club. If the team wants to move forward then the club has got to stop going on and on about value for money, and get the best players. Not good players and hoping they get better, when the experienced ones are no where near playing at a good level they once were a few years ago
November 30, 2011 at 23:45
smartalex says:
Publo Discobar must have been a party animal!
November 30, 2011 at 23:46
fergie is the boss says:
But many forget we lost 2 0 to coventry in the carling cup in september 2007, and many thought that squad had no strength in depth
November 30, 2011 at 23:46
samuel - united WE stand says:
I don’t get the issue with pogba, what did people expect? if some players at united who don’t deserve to be at united can get more than a few seasons to prove their worth then same should be given to an 18year old paul pogba, he looks ready if accompanied with experienced players. same goes for morrison.
November 30, 2011 at 23:48
denton davey says:
NotoriousRedDevil @ 22:46: “Good to hear Gibson played well. While he’s still on our books we can still utilise him and who knows the penny may have dropped plus never been a hater of his.”

Gibson did just fine in the “CarrickRole”, bringing the ball out of defence and breaking up their attacks. He had one excellent left-footed shot but, given the way the strategy was set up to cycle the ball around the perimeter, he should have shot more since no one was driving to the net the way Chicharito/DannyTheLad do.

I’ve seen a few EvansHaters have a go at tonight’s captain but – apart from the moment when he was out-wrestled for the winning goal – he had a very good, composed game. However, with Jonny Evans it always seems to be a matter of “apart from the moment when…”

UTD’s best player was Chris Smalling – what a beast !

Zeki Fryers was OK – he did have a couple of pretty awful lapses-of-concentration – but you could see what Patrice Evra offers by his absence. DId Fryers ever venture into an attacking position ?

Ravel Morrison looks pretty good but he was playing “peripherally” rather than attacking their defence which is what I have seen him do for TheReserves.
November 30, 2011 at 23:48
Balaji Sivaraman says:
On a more serious note, that is the first time in a long time that Sir Alex has publicly apologized to the fans. To be honest, from where I sat, this wasn’t as bad as some of the other performances from this season. Sure, the end product was lacking but that is expected when you throw 11 random guys into the fray as Costas pointed out.

It has got me wondering what’s the reason for Sir Alex to come out and speak like that. I mean, look at it this way, the Boss did not even apologize after the humiliating, mind-numbing 6-1 loss to City. And that was one of the worst losses in our entire history. From his body language, you could clearly see that he was infuriated. I am wondering what the backlash is going to be. He is not one to make rash decisions, so the future of some of our youngsters will definitely not be decided on the back of this performance. But I can expect a certain level of action given his post-match reactions.
November 30, 2011 at 23:49
WillieRedNut says:
Samuel – City got Liverpool in the semi final.
November 30, 2011 at 23:53
JD says:
Did anyone see the two pissheads in the stret? Funny as fuck!
November 30, 2011 at 23:57
pablo says:
look…. at the end of the day this trophy aint our priority but just wanted to get some positives from tonights performance……cant think of one.too many 5 yard passes which is symptomatic of our midfield.massive game now saturday cos fear we will start that game in third……no doubt though this is when united are at their best but 3 points is a must
November 30, 2011 at 23:58
smartalex says:
fergie is the boss

The ‘patience’ I was alluding to is the famous United approach in games of keeping the faith, playing our game, and knowing that a goal/chances will come. That patience is generally attributed as the main reason why we come back in games, often at the last minute. We keep on making and looking for openings.

Tonight, I feel we were a little too patient, and could have done with the unpredictability of Jones or the flair of Giggs in the midfield.

Regarding your view that the club is not moving forward, I vehemently disagree.
We are moving forward quickly, and hardly have broken stride, considering the metamorphosis we are undergoing as Sir Alex builds his next team before our eyes. I know that you usually don’t fall in to the trap of taking the short term view, but it seems to me that you teeter awful close right now! I guess that you are at least correct in that progress is always required, and poor displays often accelerate change.
December 1, 2011 at 00:01
denton davey says:
RedNeville @ 23:26: “We seem to have lost the ability to pull teams out of shape.”

I’d go further than that and say that we’ve lost the willingness to run off the ball, to play short wall passes, cutting open the defence. We see it episodically, now and again – that’s what Tom Cleverley seemed to bring to the table and why his absence seems so magnified by the peripheral-play that has followed his injury. AND it doesn’t help matters when the strikers – tonight it was Dimmy, KikoTheKid, and MameBiramDiouf – seem unable to do that while the wide men/full-backs just don’t run hard to the bye-line. (Just contrast their stationary “movement” with the “moving movement” of Chicharito and DannyTheLad.) Furthermore, it was only in the second of the extra-time segments that Antonio Valencia did that – and driving to the bye-line is the thing he does best.
December 1, 2011 at 00:04
Sparkz says:
A few points to make

Chris Smalling- friggin immense. I hope I don’t give him the kiss of death, but that guy will go on to be the best centre back in the world. It’s not his pace, strength or aerial ability…..it’s his composure, reading and anticipation of the game. Those are things that not everbody has…..he just KNOWS what’s gonna happen and where to be, he’s so Ferdinand-esque its ridiculous.

Darren Gibson….had an excellent game. Gets plenty of stick, but considering its his first game in many many months, he exceeded expectations. Barely gave the ball away, good stuff.

Valancia…..Was our only threat, but that was in the last hour. What i wanna know is this…for the first hour, why was he so fuckin narrow?! He’s not a 2 footed bag of tricks like Nani…he’s pretty much useless infield…but he’s an excellent old fashioned winger. Hugs the touchline, gets to the byline and puts the ball in the box. Why he kept coming into the middle for the first hour I have no idea, but he grew intop the game after that.

Morrison and Fryers both looked decent, Pogba was sloppy….but I’m not gonna make judgements on any of them.

What I will say is this……..Fergie should’ve sent Macheda and Diouf out on loan in August. We were all saying it at the time, and its bitten us on the backside now. If you ask me, I don’t have much hope for them anyway…but I honestly can’t make a judgement coz this was what, their 3rd game of the season? I hope to God we loan them in January, coz they NEED game time! Fergie must’ve known they wouldn’t have a chance with 5/6 forwards ahead of them, so why the hell didn’t he send them out?

Finally…when Rafael went off, I turned to my mate and said….Park at RB will cost us the game. I don’t have a clue why we didn’t put Valencia there. I’ve noticed many times this season that Park tires after 60 minutes and staggers around like he’s drunk. That was clearly the case today, so to put him at RB, where he constantly got beaten to the ball and gave it away was suicide. Fergie rectified this after 105 minutes but the damage was done already. Valencia isn’t a natural right back but he had more energy about him than Park!
December 1, 2011 at 00:10
samuel - united WE stand says:
I’m pissed even more because this is a competition that gives sir alex the opportunity to bring in the youth, doubt we’ll see them again till the fa cup comes around but what’s done is done.

A win at a very difficult villa on home soil would just soften the blow a little.

City and pool are drawn against each other? nice, good luck to palace and cardiff.

Lastly, annoys me that teams against us put all their sweat and blood on the line, they seem to defend like possessed men which means united have to be super clinical in front of goal, we need to stop fucking about. P.S, sir ryan and rooney (i mean no offence)
December 1, 2011 at 00:13
dannysoya says:
WOW Was so bad that Fergie had to apologise to the fans. Even he knows we were not at all good tonight. We have to improve cuz it’s really REALLY depressing watching us this way. I almost fell sick when we lost to city and could not do anything for two days. Please boys Please get it gong. Get the United Machines running again. there is hope. City have to face a Van persie included arsenal and chelsea and we have a relatively straightforward christmas schedule. Hopefully we are top by january if things go the way I hope it goes. but GET THIS SHOW ON THE ROAD!!!
December 1, 2011 at 00:19
Sparkz says:
Btw….3 games in a row at OT. 3 games without a win.

But look at the goals we’ve conceded……2 dodgy linesman decisions, a wonder goal, an OG, and a cock up by De Gea! All the sort of goals that stick in your mind!
December 1, 2011 at 00:20
slim says:
yikes this is getting mental. whats this about an apology. sparks flying thats for sure
December 1, 2011 at 00:21
Sparkz says:
Apparently Berba left OT with a protective cast around his foot.
December 1, 2011 at 00:26
WillieRedNut says:
Stevie Wonder could see United were poor!

I miss fortress Old Trafford?

Since StR is busy on twitter talking about his sock range, I’ll do the quick reactions:

My 5 reactions/observations to the Palace horror!

1.We lost the toss again??
2.Injuries really do piss me off! Only the 3 tonight.
3.The kids still need time. Would like to see Poggers and Ravel in the proper first team.
4.As I mentioned, what has happened to fortress OT? Need that back asap!
5.The league cup is important for the young lads, but I prefer the FA cup tbh. A poor showing from United, yes. But at least we can still blood some of them in the FA cup. with a few more experienced lads, to compliment them.

As ever, we’ll bounce back! Love United, hate the league cup.
December 1, 2011 at 00:28
smartalex says:
Sparks flying! Nice one Sparkz, and slim!
December 1, 2011 at 00:29
slim says:
It has to be said, this wasn’t a youth set up. first team players in there tonight. Surprised anyone can point the finger at the younger ones. We have the squad of players but we’re not playing as one. Haven’t heard the gaffer say sorry in a while
December 1, 2011 at 00:30
smartalex says:
This will be a good time to get any bets on the season placed.

I think that sometimes it works in our favour when everyfool is writing off our chances.
December 1, 2011 at 00:31
denton davey says:
SmartAlex @ 23:58: “Regarding your view that the club is not moving forward, I vehemently disagree.
We are moving forward quickly, and hardly have broken stride, considering the metamorphosis we are undergoing as Sir Alex builds his next team before our eyes.”

Excellent point – the bar is set very, very high and the current squad is very, very young. Some of these guys won’t make it but UTD do have a kiddie-corps with Chris Smalling, Phil Jones, the Da Silva twins (assuming that they can finally get healthy and stay healthy), DannyTheLad, YoungTom, David De Gea, and Chicharito who are all “regulars” in the first team and a group of youngsters that SEEM to be likely-lads then I’m very excited about the future – and NOT pessimistic about the present.
December 1, 2011 at 00:33
vishy2in says:
Just saw a documentary on Sir Bobby Charlton. A true legend for club and country. For me, he is a true legend. Bobby Charlton= Manchester United.One of the greatest the game will ever see. Wonder what Mr Giles Oakley thought of him as a kid?
December 1, 2011 at 00:33
Red Neville says:
“City have to face a Van persie included arsenal”.

Before City become a ‘Van persie included City’.
December 1, 2011 at 00:36
Paul Parker says:
Not gonna read everything, I can imagine…

I will say tho, that new teenage “world beater” Zaha has played more games than Morrison, Pogba and Fryer combined. In fact, he played about as much football as Nani did last season. Hate to repeat myself but when we compare our lads to others we have to consider how much football the other lad has played. Zaha has played over 60 first team games at 19 and it shows, so if anything its good to see our lads get minutes, they clearly need it, but playing the odd game here and there won’t cut it at the top level imo. Potential alone doesn’t prepare you for the real thing, so I really wish more of our lads would go on loan. Welbeck and Cleverley are shining examples, but at the mo we’ve got too much talent bottle-necked and waiting for first team action. Will we see these youngsters again this season? Doubt it.

And WTF going on with the Twins? Slight exaggeration but every time they play they get injured, very very unfortunate they can’t build on their experience, especially Rafa. He’s was first choice RB in RedNev’s last season ffs. Valencia was class, Park wasn’t at his best but he was effective, Gibson was neat and unlucky with a few of his shots, Berbatov, Kiko and Diouf all underwhelmed, although to be fair the ball was hardly put on a plate repeatedly like Newcastle.

No excuses, it was a poor performance, so I guess its like last year then. The youngsters and fringe players had a chance to stake a claim, and they blew it. We can play utter shite and still beat teams, so give credit where its due – Palace deserved the win. Yes their second goal was off side but not by much, and they played good counter attacking football considering they kept 10 men behind the ball. We can’t begrudge losing tonight, so chin up lads.

Our players just weren’t up for it on the day, end of. Not gonna lose any sleep over it. Looks like City might get two bits of EPL-era silver to rub together after all. Laters.
December 1, 2011 at 00:36
Sparkz says:
Yepp reminds me of the FA Cup defeat to Leeds back in 2010.

We’ve handed City/Liverpool silverware on a plate now (gonorrohea or chlyamedia…you decide which one you prefer).

Tbh, the likes of Pogba, Morrison, Fryers, Amos have time on their side. Park, as shocking as he was is still an intergral part of the squad (for what its worth, I’d start him against Basle). Evans, Valencia likewise. Gibson may have been on his way out anyway, but he played well and may yet get a reprieve.

The only ones I can see suffering from this are Macheda and Diouf. They’re in that no man’s land……not seasoned pros who have enough credit in the bank….yet they’re not total rookies either. So a bad performance from them could be fatal. I repeat….they both need to be loaned in January, unless Berba’s injury is serious, then one of them could potentially stay. But without that regular football, its pointless, we’re asking them to turn it on and off like a tap and get no opportunity to develop.
December 1, 2011 at 00:41
smartalex says:
Add to denton davey’s list Jonny Evans 23, Anderson 23, and even Nani is only 25.

If I may iterate, I too am very excited about the future, not pessimistic about the present.
December 1, 2011 at 00:43
WillieRedNut says:
It wasn’t as bad as the Leeds defeat. the likes of Rooney, Berba and Anderson were on the pitch that day. Too many part players. What do people expect? A free flowing performance? Not gonna happen. Like Paul Parker, not gutted about it. I’ll take the 3 points on Saturday. And qualification for the knockout stages of the champions league.
December 1, 2011 at 00:45
WillieRedNut says:
*time*
December 1, 2011 at 00:45
smartalex says:
gonorrohea or chlyamedia…you decide which one you prefer

That about sums it up! Hysterical!
December 1, 2011 at 00:58
WillieRedNut says:
Mate text me today, said he thought he’d seen an Aligator, on the golf course he was playing? Text him back……..that’s a croc of shit.

Night Reds!

Keep it Red, or you’re dead.
December 1, 2011 at 01:08
Sparkz says:
I say we promote Fryers to be the back up to Evra, and send Fabio to some sort of SAS camp to work on his fitness!
December 1, 2011 at 01:15
smartalex says:
Later, gator!
December 1, 2011 at 01:35
fergie is the boss says:
smartalex – I disagree, I do not think the side has progressed in the way fergie would have liked. We look at the CL final defeat in 2009 and the side does seem to have gone backwards, with so many inconsistent performances. We look at the hatrick of titles and the win percentage has gone down by half. Yes it was just the CC but the number of players form dropping and injury’s picked up has been staggering, the number of times united seem to not dominate games really has been an eye opener
December 1, 2011 at 01:50
Sparkz says:
The way I see it is this. When Fergie was building the “Ronaldo team”…it took a good few years to piece it together. We went through some dark days (03-06)…but in the end that team was awesome.

Now after Ronaldo and Tevez left in 2009, he decided to build another side. I know a lot of people think our transitional period has started only this year, but IMO it started from the moment Ronaldo left. The likes of Valencia, Smalling, Chicha, Da Silvas, Evans, Nani have all been bought/given more prominent roles since 09.

And tbh….the first 2 years of piecing this new side together has been a damn sight better than it was when he was building the last side! He’s brought in all the players I mentioned above, plus the ones that haven’t done so well (Gibson, Foster, Obertan) and still managed to win the League once, finish runners up in another, and get to a Champions League final.

Think about that for a moment. With a team in transition we’ve achieved all of that over the last 2 years. The first 2 years of his previous transitional period was awful….got nowhere near winning the league. So can you imagine what we’ll achieve when this team fully matures?
December 1, 2011 at 01:53
Red Neville says:
Forgot to say earlier. My dad walked into the room as I was watching the game, he looked at the corner of the screen where it said “MANU v PAL” he said, “who are they playing, Palestine?”.
December 1, 2011 at 01:57
smartalex says:
fergie is the boss – The number of times United seem to not dominate games has not been an eye opener for me. I feel we are looking good again this season. We have issues, not dissimilar to many of our successful seasons, and we have plenty to be excited about.
December 1, 2011 at 01:57
samuel - united WE stand says:
positives tonight = morrison, pogba, fryers. none of them are the finished article but they playing at old trafford doesn’t faze them, their temperament was the key tonight and their heads didn’t drop, that must impress Fergie along with their performance, more chances will come as they need more experience at the highest level, maybe loan to a premier league team? wigan or bolton. Then again Fergie might feel they can break through without loan, give them more games alongside quality experienced players

Negatives = diouf is finished, shows that youtube isn’t a great place to judge players, he looked like eto’o on that, now he looks more like mr potatoe head.

Macheda’s days at the club are numbered but he still has a chance, he needs to go on loan to a solid premier league team, maybe westbrom or bolton, owen coyle seems to do well in helping to bring players through.

Gibson ain’t got much of a hope, i will put my hands up and say i was very harsh but that’s because i expect more from him when playing amongst young inexperienced players
December 1, 2011 at 02:07
slim says:
way off topic but i can’t help reiterating we have no business playing a two man midfield. I mean why do we do it. We don’t play the AM’s or 3 man midfield because? Its almost like saying we only need vidic type defenders. Hard fuckers who’ll stick their neck in where other wouldn’t dare. And is the increasing amount of players on the treatment table freak accidents or a by product?. Speaking of Ronaldo era. we played with a 3 man attack and midfield, didn’t turn out so bad. I wonder what brought about the change of heart

FITB- Please don’t remind me about that final. that said maybe thats one underlying issue to be looked at as well. I remember the players coming out saying we’ve forgotten about that game, no need to dwell a lot of people said, the gaffer said he pointed out what happened. Thing is that went pear shaped in Wembley.. I didn’t feel enraged after the 90 mins. i thought thats it SAF is going to go kamikazee on this. But we haven’t. Said it at the start of the season, saying it again, large number of senior players not improving their game. Preferring to be masters at the numbers/stats and figures game. Anyway … all will soon be unraveled. Weather the work started back then or now, we seen enough to know that there’s work to be done. What i want to know is how the master wants to go about it. Problem is its difficult getting anything out of OT these days.
December 1, 2011 at 02:10
rohan19 says:
wow. that was one seriously garbage performance. .its good we had this in the carling cup. as long as we win aston vila away and benfica away we shall be fine. .
we seem to be suffering at home.. im secretly glad we’re playing two games away…

on another note.. i don’t generally bash players but seriously gibson sucks.
park is old now and diouf needs a loan move to a championship side..
still don’t understand why pogba didn’t start.. can’t be worse than gibson?
December 1, 2011 at 02:11
samuel - united WE stand says:
I forgot to add, how immense was chris smalling tonight? that guy is a pillar and rock combined and in my opinion, he dragged the whole back four against palace.

He has the pace, height, power which are all good attributes of a centre half but to be a magnificent centre half, you gotta be able to read the game, intercept danger, good positioning so you don’t rely on last ditch defending all the time and determination. Smalling is blessed with all these.

Rio will be fighting tooth and nail for his place this season, smalling is right behind you.
December 1, 2011 at 02:11
slim says:
Sparkz

get your drift, i wonder though if a squad should go transition to transition is a short period. The team Ronaldo broke into was primed ready and waiting for a talent of his caliber to perform at the highest level. Problem as i see it is this one hasn’t
December 1, 2011 at 02:16
fergie is the boss says:
slim – we did not play a 3 man attack when ronaldo was here, it was basically 2 in midfield, but the big difference is back then we had loads of players in form. We would play 3 in midfield about 10 games a season. I was not meaning to remind everyone, what I meant was the levels and consistency has dropped dramatically since the 2009/10 season. Before we would win the big games when they truly mattered like anfield etc
December 1, 2011 at 02:22
slim says:
FITB – 4-3-3/4-5-1 you say tomatoes i so tomatoes
December 1, 2011 at 02:33
Sparkz says:
@Slim- No way did Ronaldo come into a squad that was “primed and ready”. He came in 2003, when we were building a new team.

He came into a side that had just sold Beckham, had Keano on his last legs, and had signed 5 other players AT THE SAME TIME as him (Howard, Kleberson, Djemba Djemba etc). Plus we had the likes of Fletch and JOS coming through the Reserves.

It wasn’t just Ronaldo who we were waiting on to develop. The rest of that side was developing as well…Rooney, Fletcher, Park, Rio etc etc. That was a whole SQUAD in transition….pretty similar to now.
December 1, 2011 at 02:34
smartalex says:
rohan19 – I don’t think Sir Alex chose Gibson to start because he considered him better than Pogba, even though he currently is. Other factors play a bigger role than the relative merits of their form and ability. Sir Alex has said this week that great care is taken at United to bring through young players correctly, and he emphasised the importance of not jumping the gun. In fact, it seems that all our youngsters will likely be top pros. How many of them are ready or likely to affect this season’s trophy haul? Reflecting on the media I’ve witnessed (RoM, internet, mainstream media, watching games via TV, etc) I’d venture: none.

Perhaps Tunnicliffe, Morrison or Fryers. They are all probably not ready, yet.
December 1, 2011 at 02:40
Sparkz says:
When Ronaldo was here, we usually used to play with 2 in the middle of the park (Carrick and Scholes generally). Obviously we’d occasionally switch to 4-3-3 for a big game…but generally we played just 2 in there.

The difference was- whichever midfield 2 we picked were generally on top form. Scholes wasn’t at his peak but still had magic left in the tank. Carrick’s best years were 06-09. Fletcher was on top of his game from 08-10. And Hargreaves and Ando were brilliant for that one Double winning season.

Right now, we don’t have that. Carrick’s had a very good year so far, but that’s about it. Obviously Cleverley’s got potential but until he gets fit again we won’t know.
December 1, 2011 at 02:49
torontored says:
Caught the last ten minutes – thank fuck I had been out drinking and did not see the whole game.

Well what I saw was not good – makeshift team, so makeshift performance and consequently piss poor result.

Why not just play a team primarily made up of the youth instead of bringing them in piece meal with several “fringe” players starting – no consistency to the flow.

Should have destroyed that lot – generally do not criticise SAF but sometimes his selection(s) do need to be questioned.

So Alex smarten the fuck up – OK

UNITED20/4/12
December 1, 2011 at 03:07
slim says:
Sparkz

we also Paul Scholes, Ryang Giggs, G.Nevile, RVN, Rio was a top transfer, we weren’t waitng for nowt to develop .that team was ready to go places. He was the final piece . Playing 5 with ronaldo as the go to guy was our devastating best. with Roo on the left. Either way the team was better prepared to take on players of his ilk, him along with rooney and Nani. Now? not so much
December 1, 2011 at 03:09
slim says:
Ryang Giggs. lol
December 1, 2011 at 03:36
nani4ever says:
At this point what sign of improvement are we waiting on from Gibson and Diouf, they have no where going, Sir Alex got the team selection all wrong as I knew he would because he has to much sympathy for some of these average players such as the ones mention above. He should have went with park on the left and starterd with pogba and pettruci in the middle with morrison further in front and macheda as the lone striker an valencia on the right, and I like that u all are seeing valencia for waht he really his a one trick pony, with only one working feet
December 1, 2011 at 03:41
smartalex says:
Opinionated, much?
December 1, 2011 at 03:47
StatesideAussie says:
I’ve been struggling to come up with some positives. Willie was right (back at 23:10) when he said “How many times did Gibson look up to play the ball, and seen Kiko and Diouf standing next to each other? No movement from them. My old man noticed it before me.” I was thinking that as I watched it too, so cheers to your old man!

I thought Ravel looked pretty good. I would like to see him get more time. Honestly, at this stage, unless SAF is seriously planning to spend a boat-load of money in January (which I seriously doubt), I don’t think we’ve got much to lose by playing the youngsters. SAF is right to want to protect them, of course. But these things can’t always be timed to perfection. Right now, the team has a need. Bighted by injury and denuded by retirement, there may never be a better time.

If we wait until “the problem” is fixed, then it just becomes that much harder to squeaze these guys in. And how will it become “fixed”, anyway? Seems to me that any “cure” will involve either buying talent from outside, or promoting it from within. And SAF has made it pretty clear there’s not a lot of talent available from outside. I can’t answer for the psychological welfare of the youngsters. It might well cause them some scars. But from a team perspective, I honestly don’t see what we’ve got to lose. I’m not suggesting they should start every match. Of course not. But the occasional start, and lots of time off the bench? Why not?

If we wait and it gets worse (in terms of our season) before we throw them in, then we are just lumping them with mission fucking impossible. No point in waiting until the season is a lost cause and then letting them have a run.
December 1, 2011 at 03:53
denton davey says:
sparkz @ 1:50: ” I know a lot of people think our transitional period has started only this year, but IMO it started from the moment Ronaldo left.”

Actually, it started BEFORE CR7 left – he purchased Dimmy as an interim solution to the “problem” of the post-Ronaldo attack. And then he purchased Valencia (and Young) to add “sparks” to the fire-power.

However, the real work of transition has been embodied in the Da Silva twins, Chris Smalling, Phil Jones, David De Gea in addition to DannyTheLad and YoungTom. Those seven guys are going to be “regulars” in the next great squad – in addition to TheWayneBoy, Nani, DarrenFletcherinho and – maybe ? – Anderson. Not all of those eleven guys will be up-to-the-mark but they had been “groomed” to be the core of a NewUTD, in addition to reinforcements from the kiddie-corps like Morrison, Pogba, Tunnicliffe, the two KeaneBoys and some others (? Zeki Fryers, Tom Thorpe, and Davide Petrucci ?). It’s a work-in-progress and it’s based on growing the team – not just buying and importing the latest flavours-of-the-moment.

Of course, I’d prefer to see the team composed of lads from Denton, Gorton, Longsight, Oldham, Prestwich, Bury, Middleton and so on BUT the reality is that SAF has had to adapt to a new world in which GameBoys and other electronic toys distract the local lads from their destinies to be walking out on the green lawn at Old Trafford in front of 75,000 fanatical fans – poor buggers, they’re selling their souls and getting fat into-the-bargain.
December 1, 2011 at 04:19
samuel - united WE stand says:
Denton – can i just ask, why do you keep saying ‘DannyTheLad’? or ‘TomTheBoy’? lol.
December 1, 2011 at 04:33
samuel - united WE stand says:
Fergie should put all the young players at wigan and bolton on loan, they’ll get enough games and gain experience. Cleverly, welbeck, wilshere, sturridge pay testament to this.
December 1, 2011 at 04:46
KR says:
I’ve been critical for a long time (mainly since Rome) of just how bad and weak our midfield is from first team to reserves and really after tonight i don’t need to say much so i’ll sum up our central midfield with 2 words that should have United fans hanging their heads in shame at the state of our CM at this club: DARRON GIBSON

Good. Night.
December 1, 2011 at 04:51
Lovin' United says:
My daughter was not feeling well and did not watch the game. I take it that we suck?
December 1, 2011 at 05:03
KingOfStretfordEnd says:
Well, i know it’s an interim period thing or something but really, all i miss is the stability that we had around the 06-08/09 seasons. When you practically knew the starting line-up by hard unless there was an injury. Some of the most scintillating stuff we’ve played came during that period. Of course, i thought we were playing awesome stuff at the start of this season but that’s a little inconsistent. What we have to realize is that those players from 06-09 were very much senior. We were even criticized as to how we were an aging squad. Ha, would anybody say that now? So many youngsters and we do have the seniors, but it’s not the same and its gonna take time. Oh and yea, i ‘m talking in general about the season so far, no just the league cup game yesterday. Just look to the 3-1 away victory against arsenal in the CL 08-09 season, my favorite goal possibly-epitomizes teamwork and our vintage counter attack. Sorry, just felt like reminiscing a little. And let me rant, cos i’m annoyed, i felt the attitude with which we played with was poor. Gibbo and Macheda didn’t give me the right vibes. Diouf , i dunno, hello fella foul throw? And though i like the attitude of The Twins, they’re still naive in the challenges they make, and it’s been a while already, you can’t just dismiss this as inexperience imo. giving away fouls unnecessarily even during the newcastle game. I’m very sure our young lads will be one of the most envied senior squads soon, on the way already, but during this path there’ll be inevitable discontentment that we have to deal with.
December 1, 2011 at 05:21
ancha says:
Honestly

When 6 players, other than the defense, are playing together after ages there is always a very high chance of such a display, the poor movement in the final third can be attributed to the same fact . So why don’t we just think it as a learning experience for our young ones.

It shouldn’t be ‘always’ about trophies. Whatever shit is spoken tonight is completely against our tradition of supporting talented,hardworking youth players through thick and thin.

You can criticize all you want about first team players if they had such a game (they had a few in the before last week) I’m not against that but it’s pathetic to throw your frustrations at the kids, true every one over here is frustrated/angry about losing in such a way to a championship struggling side but if you are not able to handle that frustration/anger about a carling cup game then something is wrong with you, simply put – Get a grip on yourself
December 1, 2011 at 05:33
sandeep1878 says:
Fuck you all match day cunts who are calling for Sir Alex’s head…

fucking out fo your mind eh?

and few fans even calling our own players cunts? Rubbish,

fuck off you glory hunters..

Felt so disappointed reading these pathetic comments and to make it worse reading after a home defeat to a championship club…

Sir Alex has lost the plot eh?

fucking you fans need to take a lil trip down the memory lane, he is the bloody defending manager, and fucking fans here call for his head?

its simple,

Our youngsters tried their best (Especially in the last 75 mins)..

It wasnt our day and i have to accept Crystal palace played brilliant and defended with their lives after that extra time goal..

we were good until the box, then moving the ball backwards, sideways and whatever fucking ways but we couldnt find the back of the net – because our midfielders dint create that many chances and our strikers couldnt finish clinically enough..

it is a learning curve for them,

if Sir Alex had listened to some deluded fans on ROM, thenw e wouldnt have seen the class of 92..

yet here we are, the kids have hardly played together for the first team, there you go, you dump them over 120 minutes of football…crazy eh?

I m a big fan of Rooney, to put things into perspective..

when was the last rooney scored a fucking goal?

yet i dont see no fan ranting against him, but then they will come here and rant against the inexperineced and untested youngsters and call them as cunts?

fucking bullshit,

Cunts fans like this are JUST GLORY HUNTERS and all they want is high paid flashy players top wear shirt..and then they call for Sor Alex’s head..

fucking ridiculous..incredible fans…

##############

@ regular posters,

sorry for the rant, i had to get it off my chest,

I cant accept our bloody own fans coming here on match day and call for Sir Alex head and call our own players as cunts..

no, if you dont support then fine, dont call our players as cunts..

No hard feelings but some fans here are deluded..

Cheers
December 1, 2011 at 06:07
lordrt says:
Didn’t expect anything less given our recent form, thou I was hoping the young lads would give their best and leave a solid impression with a win, but may be next time then… however that’s one trophy off the list then, and now facing Basel will make it more nervous, and being pessimistic, I can see us lose and dumped to Europa, given that they will be playing home, and have already ripped the Utd defence apart when they were at OT… unless a miracle happens…
Still time to get the shopping list out however, and I hope SAF does so and bring in some quality players in midfield in January, else it could be our own way of paving a descent to “hell” very soon
December 1, 2011 at 06:16
sandeep1878 says:
Lordrt..

I understand your uneasiness mate,

but believe we going to basle with intent, determination and confidence,

all we need is a draw, but since its December, i expect us to resume the normal service..

Dont worry pal, no Europa, its Munich, we gonna be there, we gonna be there..
December 1, 2011 at 06:51
Anand says:
@sandeep1878

You make a fair point friend. But SAF’s team selection left much to be desired. he said in pre-match interviews that this is a good chance for the youngsters to come through, and there were almost certain predictions that Pogba, morrison would play. They’ve been training with the premiership first team too. Also consider the fact that people are dreaming of a future midfield of Cleverley and Morrison. Add all these facts up and SAF’s team selection is fuckin’ baffling! If this isn’t where the likes of first team materials get a chance, where will they?

People criticize the likes of Berba for not playing well. How are they supposed to if the playmakers in the team (read midfield) are not upto it?

‘The United Religion’ made a fair point when it noted that our main problem is not so much as the lack of a world class midfielder but lengthy injuries. Cleverley is proving to be too injury prone. The injury to Anderson is also serious enough for him to be off for 2 months. Vidic was on and off, so was Rio. All these factors means that we cannot find a team of 11 that can stick together. When you have to make 5-6 changes for every match, it affects the team dynamics and chemistry.
I think SAF was devastated when he apologized to the fans after the match.

United have the responsibility to live up to a legacy of greatness. City, Chelsea don’t have any. Liverpool have forgotten theirs.

SAF knows that the way the players are playing, and all the other factors added up, we are falling way short.
December 1, 2011 at 06:53
falsafa says:
The performance last night was not all too bad. My main disappointment was with the more experienced players (read Valencia and Park) not providing enough leadership on the pitch. Add to that the fact that Diouf and Macheda possess awful first touches of the football and no movement at all. How many times did Morrison have the ball on the edge of the area only to lack a striker to pass to, forced to play it backwards to Gibbo.

In my opinion, Gibsonplayed an alright game considering this was his first appearance since Schalke in the UCL semi final. And Ravel needs to be given more first team opportunities. Which brings me to another point. First team players are the ones who can unlock chances for the youngsters. When you are beating a team 3-0, Fergie will definitely be more willing to bring in a young sub. That will never happen at 1-0, which is the more familiar scoreline these days.

We should go back to the days of killing teams early. These days our first halves play witness to very dour performances and we only pick up in the second half. Half time is not the best time to visit ROM as many of you can attest.

UNITED FOREVER!!
December 1, 2011 at 07:08
sandeep1878 says:
Anand,

I understand your point mate,

even i m hurt because of the defeat,

but i m nagry coz deluded fans are calling for Sir Alex’z head and calling our own players as cunts?

For ysterday’s game i still think it was strikers problem..because we had plenty of crosses and supplies from our traditional wings..but clinical finshing was lacking..

Having said that, it was amazing to see our every attack ended with the ball on Crystal palace player’s feet or body,

Well played Palace..

we goot give time to our youngsters..

Patience is always key with youngsters..

Imagine had the winning goal been given offside rightly, then the face of the game could have changed..

Its really harsh on the youngsters..but thats football and thats how the kids will learn..

This is Manchester United blog,

mate i dont give a fuck if the members call rivals cunts or whatever they want,

but verbally abusing our own players and calling Sir Alex whetevr they wish is not acceptable, not by any means..

The team will continue to play like this, its a transition, all the more important that we back the team now..

Cheers mate
December 1, 2011 at 07:24
Tgan says:
Wow the future looks bleak for us, If that was anything to go by. We have a poor squad and Crystal Palace made 5 changes for the game and embarrassed us…………………time for Fregie to move on and a younger manager coming in!!!
December 1, 2011 at 07:24
T. says:
Epic fail!
December 1, 2011 at 07:26
Costas says:
Sometimes I wonder if fans truly watch games or they just have the excuse made up in their head. Gibson was the least of our problems last night. I guess I can see where the critisism for Diouf comes from, but for Kiko? Nope. Ask yourself. Who played worse this week? Hernandez against Newcastle or Kiko against Palace?

Like willie, I’d like to see Old Trafford a fortress again, but that’s not only up to the players. When the going gets tough, we need the fans. People say we lost at home. Really? Because all I heard for most of the game was Palace fans. Where’s Keane to tear the prawn sandwich brigade a new one?
December 1, 2011 at 07:29
shakshamboo says:
Bad result, but i do not understand SAF’s apology to fans. We have seen much worse performances before. Maybe he was hinting at the lack of determination and desire of some lads. These are qualities which make us different.

I noted 2 problems

1. Only one out and out winger and our wing backs going out injured. We did not have enough width to create space for attackers. We used Diouf as left winger for some time but he is not built for that role. After Rapha was substituted Valencia didnt have the support he needed for wing play and kept cutting in and crowding the middle.

2. With our wingers cutting in and crowding the middle, we needed some one who could cut open tight defenses with his passing (like Xavi), but alas! we do not have that luxury either.

The kids did well i think. Zeki and Ravel were good. Even Pogba showed glimpses of his potential. They will need some more game time to improve, but i have high hopes.

Even Gibson had a good game keeping in mind his strengths and weaknesses.

Although I dont like singling out a player but I am worried about Evans. A central defender should have a certain level of composure and calm to perform well. But Evans just doesnt seem to have that calmness and composure. He tends to make at least one serious mistake almost every game. I have seen him play left back in a couple of games. Maybe he is better suited there.

On to the next. Come on United!
December 1, 2011 at 07:34
sandeep1878 says:
Costas,

hello pal,

I have become sick of few comments here…

the way they are writing off these youngtsers is sickening…

and last night i saw you mentioning about bad decisions,

thats 2 in 2 now and we cant help it as it will put added pressure in knock out games..

I feel for this youngsters, they gave their best, lets hope we have brighter days ahead..

but some comments here are extreme, fucking pathetic..
December 1, 2011 at 07:37
SirKaos says:
I think its time everyone related to United stops the “we have the best young talents” propaganda. Its all talk. there is nothing being transferred on the field and this is the worst football I’ve seen this season. Looks like Fergie keeps quite about the club financial crisis, but surely United have lost the edge and I wonder when did players give away division 5 like passes

c’mon

WAKE UP!
December 1, 2011 at 07:40
Anand says:
@Sandeep1878

Read Tgan’s comment, and I know why you had to rant the way you did.

@Tgan

Seriously buddy?! 25 years of unprecedented success at a club and you want a change at the helm after a ‘CARLING CUP’ defeat?! WOW. just WOW!

@Costas

Fair comment buddy. I speak for myself in the following reply –

There’s this friend of mine who’s an Arsenal supporter. I always take his case on how Arsenal are living in denial and even though they boast of playing beautiful football (which they do) they’re unable to win anything. He has a feeble argument saying that they’re a team in transition and that things will change (he’s been saying this for 3 years now ).

The point I’m trying to make is, winning is winning. We scrap by 1 – 0 wins playing uninspiring football, but it’s crucial. Then we play brilliant games like the ones against Newcastle and still can’t take away anything from it. When we’re a team like United, when we play rubbish, you still win 1 – 0. But when you play good games, we HAVE TO WIN.

Simply put, the players owe to not to themselves or the fans, but to the colours and the badge on their hearts and the greats that preceded them.
December 1, 2011 at 07:46
Tgan says:
We are deluded Utd fans sticking to the party line, look at the facts???. We have average players while other squads are a lot stronger, Basle will put us out of the CL defo, then the truth will come flooding out!!!!
December 1, 2011 at 08:01
Utd4life says:
@Tgan.. Getting dumped out of the CL is a possibility but we have always pulled through in such must win situations. There have been rare cases like the bayern Munich QF game or the blackburn game where we failed to win but we have always and I mean always come through in such matches. Nonetheless, the game against Basel will be a cracker and I’m confident that we will win.

The MF debate will continue to rage on irrespective of our results but I would love to see Morrison getting more playing time with the first team. The lad is seriously talented and deserves more opportunities.
December 1, 2011 at 08:03
Entropy187 says:
you know what, I’m at a stage where I don’t mind when Man Utd lose sometimes. Even when sometimes they don’t deserve to. Because we always come up on top. After the loss today, I was bothered too much by it and was quite surprised tbh hahaha. Usually I’d be raging for days and even affect those around me, but fuck it. I still love the club. Id rather fill my heart with love towards the club than increasing hate after every bad outcome or performance.
December 1, 2011 at 08:06
ancha says:
Peter Schmeichel -
A lot of bad results has paved the way for great achievements. York, Galataseray and Rotor Volgograd springs to mind. Keep your spirits up
December 1, 2011 at 08:06
Utd4life says:
I would also like to add that Gibbo had a good game considering he played a competitive game after quite a long time. I really don’t understand why some people get riled up at the mere mention of his name. The lad is not Xavi or Scholes but he is a decent player.
December 1, 2011 at 08:07
United4ever says:
SAF,stop apologizing and do something about it!
December 1, 2011 at 08:08
smartalex says:
Gnat – you’re one mixed up bug. Fair weather fans is the only flood that plagues us.
December 1, 2011 at 08:11
Lovin' United says:
Here’s some transfer wishes I would like on the next transfer window.

De Rossi and Pablo Aimar.

Both can go for free on January.

And yes, would like fries with that as well…
December 1, 2011 at 08:13
smartalex says:
Condemning United4ever,

do you mean to rudely rebuke Sir Alex? Or am I misreading your tone?
December 1, 2011 at 08:16
Utd4life says:
Just like everyone else, I’m surprised that SAF apologized to the fans considering I have seen performances worse than last night. His apology could have a negative impact on the youngsters. I remember the time when we lost to Besiktas about 2 years ago when he fielded a very young team similar to the one last night. After that match, he praised the youngsters for their effort and attitude though they had lost. The next week they responded by beating the spurs in the CC match. I wish he had done the same even after this match.
December 1, 2011 at 08:17
SirKaos says:
United are not playing attractive football….

25 years is an achievement but you know times change the football change as well . I hope we wont become like Liverpool fans living the past.
December 1, 2011 at 08:17
Entropy187 says:
Wasnt*
December 1, 2011 at 08:25
smartalex says:
SirKaos.

I beat you weren’t even born yet, when Sir Alex was appointed. Your opinion that ’25 years is an achievement’ is as worthless as your puerile attempt to malign Sir Alex with your user name.
You don’t hope for United at all, you selfish wum. You are likely a 13 year old city fan.
December 1, 2011 at 08:32
Balaji Sivaraman says:
Manchester United have sacked Sir Alex Ferguson and announced the appointment of the Collective of Manchester United fans as the new manager. They are hoping that the wisdom of a billion voices caring for United is going to be greater than that of the wily old fox who had been in-charge of the club for a quarter of a century.
December 1, 2011 at 08:32
tom c says:
@rohan you meant basel bro?

@sandeep you’re my hero, thank you.
December 1, 2011 at 08:36
Costas says:
Well obviously something about last night got to Fergie more than we imagine. I don’t remember him apologising after the West Ham game either. The performance in the first half was a bad one. But we played a lot better after that imo. Palace didn’t deserve to be ahead either time for me. What Ferguson needs to address is this team’s naive defending. Because no matter how well we play up front, it keeps letting us down. The Benfica, Newcastle and Palace games aren’t that different in context.

@Anand

We are not Arsenal. Not yet anyway. Don’t get me wrong. I am troubled by a lot of things right now too. I said it after the Newcastle game. Fergie has to be scratching his head wondering what problem he needs to address first. Whether it’s bad defending, bad finishing or injury problems, he has a lot on his plate right now. Also we are not clicking as a team at the moment. And I am not just talking about yesterday’s team. We’ve seen some very good individual performances from the likes of Gibson and Carrick over the last 10 days, yet the team still seems unable to get a hold of games in midfield. I feel that if we start playing a settled side the team will gradually improve. Too much tinkering going on at the moment.

But at the end of the day, it’s just the Carling Cup and I won’t miss it. If we are going to make a run for a cup, let it be the FA cup this season.

@Sandeep

Hi mate. I had a look at previous Carling cup exits and truth be told, they did spell the end of some youngsters. For example, the Coventry game was the last time Bardsley and Dong played for us. And it was basically the end for Lee Martin (even though he played for us one last time at Hull). The Southend game spelled the end of David Jones. Not everyone’s going to make it and that’s a fact. Nor will we ever see another class like the 92 one imo. But looking at last night’s game, other than Diouf, I don’t think any other player came closer to the exit door. A lot of good individual performances, but not a good team performance. And I don’t want to be harsh on Diouf, but I just feel that he reached his glass ceiling. Things might have been different if he got a good run in the side, but he’s basically 7th choice and that’s not going to happen.
December 1, 2011 at 08:43
dasilvatwins says:
@costas arguably west ham last year was obertans last real chance?
December 1, 2011 at 08:48
voice of reason says:
Here an analysis from Chrisjn_ at redcafe

To be fair:

We lost that game because the team was so out of Balance.

Amos in net: Ok fair do’s, blood in a young keeper.

Rafael AND Fabio: These guys need to knock their heads together. The amount of times they could have got booked tonight is ridiculous. They play the game way to Gung-ho, and whilst I realise this is their style, they still need to mature.

As well as this, these two are the most injury prone players in our team. Playing them both tonight should have taught us a lesson. The two substitutions lost us the game as we were unable to bring on potential match winners as a Plan B. They really need to tone down there games as they appear to be overdoing it constantly.

Evans and Smalling: Smalling was brilliant. He looked like a father figure in that defence. Evans did a job, but for me was not a patch on this talent. Smalling and Jones are the future. All in all, the defence was O.K, Evans is prone to mistakes, and playing Rafael and Fabio too, was always going to give Smalling a job. Still, this is the Carling cup, and we do take risks in this competition.

But…

Diouf: He is not a Manchester United player. I’ve seen people refer to the team tonight as a ‘Shop window’ sale, and for Diouf it appears this must be the case.
Plays it’s safe, but has no imagination. Not a match winner, not able to beat top defences, not a Manchester United player. For me, a lower half of the table player.
He will put in a shift, he will work hard, he will try to avoid mistakes, but he has little killer instinct. We don’t really need these players.

Park: Was stuck in the team to provide energy to help gibson and our midfield. Unfortionatley this didn’t work. He wasn’t magnificent, mainly because I feel he works well with the more clever attacking players. Gibson couldn’t work off him well at all. I would say his average game was more down to being put into a team to provide an external impetus, i.e the complete opposite of a team being built around you.

Gibson: was alright. He did a job. Playing plenty and plenty of safe passes. And whilst people say Carrick plays to many sideways passes, he actually does this as he sees oppurtunities in that direction, Gibson for me, sometimes seems to pass for the sake of passing. Still, in a team incapable of keeping the ball, he actually didn’t do to badly tonight, but offered VERY little in breaking down the other team, something he maybe should have felt he could have stepped up to. It’s not as if he were playing a Premiership club. To safe a performance for me tonight.

Valencia: Felt sorry for him really. Started off on the wing, firing crosses in left right and centre, before realising no-one was capable of getting anywhere near them. Some may have been off, but if I were him I would have been a little frustrated. Came more centrally in the later stages as his frustration became more apparent, driving forward with the ball looking for link ups. Fast, safe, efficient but sometimes not agile enough in the turn. Another Carrier.

Macheda: Can carve out chances and will improve with time. Not a dribbler or a person to beat or take on a man. For me he is a player who will receive the ball, make a fast pass, and get into an attacking position. A player who is best at making his space and a getting of a shot where ever possible, could be come a great goalscorer.

berbatov: class player, sometimes a little self indulgent. As people have said, would be great in Italy, and is not great on the counter attack, as he excels at holding onto the ball and fooling defenders to gain space. Easy on the eye, and floats on the ball, however works off other attacks making the runs. Again, there wasn’t enough of this tonight.

Pogba, Fryers and Morrison: Fryers needs to calm down a bit, way to gung ho going forward. Kicking the ball 5 yards for himself to run onto only for an opposition player to take it off him. To willing to burst forward and to willing to fire in a cross. Could be a good, tidy player, but at the moment seems a bit to eager to prove himself and at times looked nervous making sloppy touches, silly errors and ambitious moves, which weren’t really on.

Pogba was O.K. admittedly looked a little lost at times, but I put that down to the fact he looked surprised at the severe lack of movement. Gets around, but positionally was a little out. Has the some of the required tools to be a good player.

Morrison: The most exciting player on the pitch. Looking for one-twos and quick plays more often than not. A couple of excited shots but always in the position to receive a pass, even if his players were unable to make them. Quick, clever, arrogant. Will be a handful of a player.

Some good players tonight, but very few fantastic. Mostly drab, unenthusiastic and simply unintelligent play. An excess of passengers, throw in some nervous minds, excited legs and overall lack of balance and that is why we lost.
December 1, 2011 at 08:53
Costas says:
@dasilvatwins

Not exactly. There were a few more twists on that front. He played well at Southampton, but was quite poor against Crawley in the FA cup. And I believe that’s where it ended for him. That game for me was our worst performance against opposition from a lower division.
December 1, 2011 at 08:57
Tgan says:
We are talking about right now, not the past. Are we flush with real class, the answer is NO!!!!. Open your eyes lads and see the future???, It does not look very appealing to me and SAF may damage himself if we go down hill fast!!!!!!………………………….If we lose to Basle you will be saying the same as me!!!!!
December 1, 2011 at 08:58
voice of reason says:
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2011/Nov/rene-meulensteen-inside-united-interview.aspx

Good read. Makes u wonder of the possibilities in near future.
December 1, 2011 at 09:03
voice of reason says:
@King Eric

Ravel Morrison is something isn’t he? A rough diamond he maybe but I think he is ready for the first team.
December 1, 2011 at 09:23
sandeep1878 says:
Tgan

when u dont want to consider the past? why are u worried about future?

No, dont mistake us for you,

we wont tell that shit even if we suffere defeat at Basel…no second thought about it..

are we flush with real class?

class is not a day’s work..one need to work their asses to become class..

however if you want ready made class- not far, just cross the road and you have Might City oooooozing with real class…

@ Costas,

Agreed with your point mate,

and yeah sometimes how hard the life is? you get one chance, make it or break it, all the more difficult when you are inexprienced…

I think they will take this learning in their stride and come out on top…

@ Tom C,

You are my hero? mate is it sarcastic? I dont know with what reference you are saying that, sorry if i said anythign wrong..

@ Anand,

Yeah mate, we have seen worse fans here, cant help but every now and then i will rant to just get it off my chest…
December 1, 2011 at 09:37
unitedtilidie says:
The only thing worse than the performance on the pitch was the performance in the stands.

People waiting, sitting on their hands waiting to be entertained. Outsung by a few thousand Palace fans. Shocking.

If people want to be entertained, go to the cinema or a music concert.
December 1, 2011 at 09:42
Costas says:
If Basle knock us out, it will definitely be one of the lowest points of the last 6 years, but it won’t tarnish Sir Alex’s legacy one bit. Fans have to realize that we have no divine right to dominate all the time. The club has had a highly succesful half decade. One of our best spells in United’s history. But after spells like that, you get periods where you rebuild your side and things don’t go your way. And that’s where we are at now. It was a brilliant achievement that we won the title last season, but it shouldn’t mask the fact that we are still in a transitional period. You think 2-3 years without a trophy is unacceptable? Try asking Cedars, King Eric and co about supporting United during the 80s.

Like I said on Saturday, trophies aren’t my main concern at the moment. Seeing a team with United’s trademark spirit and brand of football is.
December 1, 2011 at 09:55
sandeep1878 says:
@ Costas,

” Fans have to realize that we have no divine right to dominate all the time”

i was searching for words and u have found them pin point buddy..

as much as we enjoy our trophies and success, we need accept the defeats and transitions as well,

this is a game, not shopping..
December 1, 2011 at 09:57
gaz says:
@tgan piss off glory hunter and support shitty we will bounce back and we have some of the best players in the world in our squad support the team or piss off
December 1, 2011 at 10:04
Tgan says:
Without investment it will be very tough to compete!!!!!…………….fact
December 1, 2011 at 10:09
Balaji Sivaraman says:
@Costas, Do you honestly feel everybody is going to think like that? I’ve said for a long time that I can take any barren spell as long as the rebuilding process is on. We had 03-06 and that didn’t do anything to diminish my love for United. Compared to other lull periods, we’ve been very successful in what is definitely a rebuilding phase for the past couple of years. No other club and no other manager could’ve guaranteed that. But with many older players leaving at the same time, this year could test our strength and resolve more than 10 or 11 did. This is the proper rebuilding year and the main reason we don’t want to “not win the title” is because if we don’t, City will. At least, that is a majority of the fans’ main worry ATM. Either ways, more than half of our fans are not going to be patient. They want immediate success all the time and nothing works that way unfortunately.
December 1, 2011 at 10:10
Costas says:
@Sandeep

It’s a natural process. That’s why I enjoyed the last league title as much as possible. Because there’s no guarantee when the next one will arrive. The real question for me is if the foundations for the new team are solid. We already have a crop of talented youngsters. It’s just a case of completing the puzzle.
December 1, 2011 at 10:14
gaz says:
we are competing if you had not noticed and we have made investment in the squad in quality young signings. we blooded some of the kids last night and they will learn from the experiance. we are United we will not die and we will win the PL this year!
December 1, 2011 at 10:18
Costas says:
@Balaji

Hi mate. Nah, I am don’t have any delusions about that. I fully expect shitstorms here after bad results and if (God forbid) City win the title. I try to look at it from a realistic standpoint. They have been building their current side for the last 3-4 years and with a ridiculous amount of money at their disposal. We’ve been building ours over a shorter period of time and with less money. For me they are at their peak and our new team (featuring Tom, Danny, Jones, Smalling, the twins, Javier, Rooney and co) may not even reach its peak this season. At least some fans like you get it. And like you said, every lean period has its highlights and reminds us why we love this club.
December 1, 2011 at 10:25
Anand says:
@Costas –

I wouldn’t want us to be Arsenal ever for all the ‘beautiful’ football they claim to play, their start players use the club as a prostitute to lose their virginity before they get married of to rich suitors.
It’s a fine point you made, the transition period. It’s so obvious only fair weather glory hunters miss it. My concern is that the 11 players who go out there and play haven’t done justice to their potential, transition or no transition. Also, I really wish for Roy Keane to turn back his years and come in again. He’ll bury his knees into the boys groins if that makes them give a 110%.
On a lighter note, i daresay SAF has given up on his hairdryer treatment, seeing there are too many in line for it week in week out
Why do I expect United to do nothing but win? Because that’s what we’ve done And we’ve done it without glamourous ‘Louis Vuitton’ midfielders
December 1, 2011 at 10:38
CedarsDevil says:
Blimey, over 550 posts, I bet if we had of won we would get half of that! Funny really
December 1, 2011 at 10:53
smartalex says:
Without air it will be very tough to breathe!!!!!…………….fact
December 1, 2011 at 10:56
sandeep1878 says:
United’s performances in the League Cup since the 1990/91 season have seen them lose to lower league opposition nine times – almost an average of once every other season. Not all of those defeats led to elimination, on occasion United bounced back in a two-legged contest. But still the statistic is remarkable given that over the same period United won 12 Premier League titl…es, four FA Cups, four League Cups, two European Champions League titles, a European Cup Winners’ Cup, a UEFA Super Cup, and an Intercontinental Cup and FIFA Club World Cup to boot. It would be easy to assume that in their pursuit of bigger prizes, United’s sullied record can be explained away by second-rate line-ups as key players rest for bigger challenges.
December 1, 2011 at 11:01
sandeep1878 says:
Smart Alex..

Without air it will be very tough to breathe!!!!!…………….fact

Thats best way of answering back
December 1, 2011 at 11:06
sandeep1878 says:
http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/index.html

Gping by this in Europe,

Our ranking will be shifting i feel,

but then again, Never write us off, We are Man UTD and we do what we want..
December 1, 2011 at 11:18
WillieRedNut says:
Bob Marley said it best, “Don’t worry, about a thing, cos every little thing, is gonna be alright” 19
December 1, 2011 at 13:20
Red Neville says:
When you commit yourself to youth the team becomes a perpetual work in progress, there will never be a focal end to it. We will be building a team next year and the year after that – and in five years time also.
December 1, 2011 at 14:22
denton davey says:
Samuel @ 4:19: “Denton – can i just ask, why do you keep saying ‘DannyTheLad’? or ‘TomTheBoy’? lol.”

This is meant to be fun and, in my way, I find it entertaining to refer to the players by made-up nick-names. I suppose that some people think that – a la Bill Shankly or Vince Lombardi – “it’s not about life or death, it’s more important than that – but I’m not one of them. “lol” back at you !

For the past five years, UTD fans have had an unprecedented run of success to crow about – and, if you believe in the genius of SAF, it might be that this is a prelude to more of the same. My view is to enjoy the ride. It’s also my opinion that whatever we say/write has no impact whatsoever on the on-field product but we can share our views – in a civil manner – about that on-field product and the entertainment it provides (or not !).

Unless one is some sort of tribal chauvinist, the rivalries with ManShitty, LiverPoo, TheArse, the RentBoyz, TheVirus, and Farcelona is the stuff of pantomime. So why not deal with the players in much the same way ? Very few of them would share loyalties with tribal chauvinists – they’re mostly mercenary and will go to the top dollar and, fair do’s to them, because they have a short career and won’t be living in the Borough of Salford or down the Ashton Road when their careers are over.

Like I said, it’s all about banter, opinions and entertainment. AND, it’s not life-or-death.
December 1, 2011 at 14:32
denton davey says:
Costas @ 8:38: “What Ferguson needs to address is this team’s naive defending. Because no matter how well we play up front, it keeps letting us down.”

Nothing could have stopped Darren Ambrose’s thunder-strike; on the second, Park needless fouled the winger and then Jonny Evans (who had a very good game otherwise) was outmuscled in the box.

What’s MUCH MORE TROUBLING than the “naive defending” is the timid attacking play. What happened to the old “you score two, we’ll score three” mentality ? And this isn’t just an issue for the B-Team since the first team often plays peripherally, too.

Where’s the cut ? where’s the thrust ?
December 1, 2011 at 14:49
WillieRedNut says:
Cut and thrust were in the stand.
December 1, 2011 at 16:11
Paul Parker says:
Guess that means damp and squib were on the pitch?
December 1, 2011 at 17:13
Mursyid says:
So much for “exciting” young talents eyh? they were all shit and overrated. We lost the game because of them. 1st team players did everything, but the youth players were disappointing.
December 1, 2011 at 17:42
denton davey says:
Mursyid @ 17:13 – You seem to have been watching a different match from almost everyone else.
December 1, 2011 at 22:39
TheCANTONA says:
@mursyid:
The class of 92 were not ever won the League Cup. By your logic, you must be thinking they were shit too… Idiot.
December 1, 2011 at 23:27
smartalex says:
Mursyid or is it Merseyside? Don’t fucking talk down about our young lads. Get back to Liverpool and focus on improving your lot, instead of undermining kids with lies as a wind-up.
December 1, 2011 at 23:32
Jason says:
I read the comments here and I just think that people need to stop hailing the youngsters too much and accept that these youngsters deserved to be criticized for their performance.

I don’t think it’s rational to compare this bunch with class of 92. The class of 92 didn’t do this bad when they were young, sure that they’ve lost games, but not like this.
December 2, 2011 at 02:03
Schmikesnumber1 says:
Hi, I’m not a regular poster but I am a regular reader of this fantastic blog. First off, I am absolutely disgusted at the way some of the people on here are calling for Sir Alex’s head. Spoilt little brats who know nothing about the work it takes to actually develop a team. It doesn’t happen over night and we as fans need to accept that the squad that we have at the moment is one that is in transition. The performance tonight against Palace was truly awful, make no mistake about it.

However, there are some things to consider before so called fans start slaughtering every player that either started or was on the bench last night. There where hardly any elder statesmen of the squad selected for this game apart from Berb, Park and Tony V and to be fair they all had shockers! But apart from those three, we saw a very young team lacking any real experience in playing without the squads most influential players around them. Rafael and Fabio got injured again! But what’s more is that they have both not long been back from injury anyway. Evan’s, even with the monster that is Smalling beside him, still needs coaxing through a games and Gibson hasn’t played since last season if my memory serves me correctly. The same applies to Macheda and Diouf. They simply haven’t played enough.

Now not all of these players are going to make the final grade at United, we know that. However it is important to realise that the likes of the twins, Smalling and possibly Evans will come through these experiences and it will make them better players. So in actual fact, with only three real senior players in the side we were always likely to have a tough time. Although I do accept that we didn’t expect a defeat and a performance that was so dire.

Anyhow, this relative inexperience was coupled with further inexperience in Fryers, Pogba and Morrison. Fryers didn’t look as good as he did previously, Pogba looked a fair player but often had to play out of position and Morrison was doing all the right things but the rest of the team just wasn’t clicking for him. Its also important to remember that these three players have all of around six appearances between them. My point is this, we need to give these youngsters more time and should not expect them be hitting the ground running like a Rooney, Messi or Ronaldo. Because if we are all honest, these three guys are freaks of nature in footballing terms. It’s just not normal to expect young kids to be bursting out of the blocks and be world class players straight away. We need to nurture them and then see them flourish in the not to distant future.

What is also true though, is that we do need to sign a box to box midfielder. Tunnicliffe shows tremendous promise but is it fair to stick the pressure of being ‘ the new Roy Keane’ on a lad who hasn’t even made his first team debut yet? Again, talent such as Tunniclffe’s needs nurturing and he wont be ready for a while yet. It may not happen in January but I really do hope we go all out for Bastien Schweinsteiger. He is exactly the type of footballer we need in midfield to provide quality and experience in our engine room. Whether he plays with Carrick, Fletch or Clev, I feel the German would provide what we have been missing in midfield for a large chunk of this first part of the season.

We are not going down the toilet as many glory hunters are willing to suggest at the moment, but we do need reinforcements to guide and aid the new batch of kids through.

So come on United fans, back the club to the hilt! Cheer on our youngsters and lets hope we get a midfielder in the mould of Bastien sometime soon to help the likes of Pogba, Tunnicliffe, Morrison and even Larnell Cole on their way to stardom.
December 2, 2011 at 02:47
smartalex says:
Excellent comment Schmikesnumber1.
December 2, 2011 at 11:38
Schmikesnumber1 says:
Cheers smartalex, nice one!
December 2, 2011 at 13:12
Ted Perechalli says:
Promises, promises, promises … sorry, sorry, sorry! Put an end to this nonsense and show that you truly want to win every Cup tournament we enter. So far, the team are a bunch of chicken-livered ‘have-beens.’ Make all the promises they want, they are not going to win against Aston Villa and FC Basel are they? Are they going to be white-faced, yet again? I think so. I personally think that the players are lossers and do not have the gumption to win.
December 4, 2011 at 02:29
Schmikesnumber1 says:
Didn’t win against the Villa I see Ted! You are exactly the sort of fan I was talking about. Maybe you should go and support Chelsea or City. Back the team all the time or don’t at all! We can all hope for improvements but your comments spank of a person who has seen it too good for too long. Start supporting! Stop hating!!
December 4, 2011 at 06:43
Ted Perechalli says:
Schmikesnumber1, Manchester United is my team … has always been … will ever be. But
’1-0 victory’…
‘United dominated the opening 45 minutes’ (what about the other half?)
How are we going to fare well against the likes of Chelsea, City, Liverpool, Tottenham and Newcastle
later on with such a performance. We never used to go out with a whiper as we are doing these days.
perhaps a litle bit of chiding with the tongue in the cheek will help.
A 1-0 win against the top 6 other teams is okay BUT a 1-0 win against the likes of Villa, Norwich, etc is not enough unless the win is achieved with a younger squad. Support United … of course do! That is what we do ALL THE TIME. But supporting bindly a listless, lackadaisical and lethargic team performance, without the mildest of comments, time after time? … The team has to perform for the supporters all the time.

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