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I can’t believe he’s playing Giggs and Scholes in the same starting line up. When will he move on, what’s wrong with Cleverly and Anderson? How long can we keep using two legends that could have hung up their boots 5 years ago and still be called a good long career. Surely Giggs and Scholes are best used as impact players. Their legs are not what they were. I expect more domination in the midfield area….by spuds.
Craig Burley is full of shit. Would have liked to have seen cleverley/Anderson get another run out. Should be an interesting game.
In fergie i trust..man utd to win 3-0
Tom says:
” … Would have liked to
have seen cleverley/Anderson get another run
out. Should be an interesting game.”
Agreed!
Personally, I haven’t been too impressed with positioning RvP as a lone striker. I’d love to see him partnered with Wayne up there. When Robin and the Chico have been partnered, they’ve looked dangerous, too.
This, plus the Giggs/Scholes partnership in the middle, has me a bit disappointed.
I hope SAF proves me wrong, as he usually does.
Enough of Giggs and Scholes in starting lineups! Sort it out Fergie..
Surely one of TC or Ando deserve a place in the starting line-up. A bit disappointed.
Always a great game . . .our record ‘up north’ could be better . . . But I think we could do something this evening . . . Come On You Super Spurs !
Any live links?
Shoddy defending.
wow thats brilliant defending , who was tracking back the left back?
@Kel
http://www.coolsport.tv/stream1.html
What the fuck is this bull shit! I can’t fucking believe ferguson
Why are giggs and scholes both playing? We need fucking energy of
Anderson
Midfield getting over run again.
Fuck!
so it looks like Nani eforts to prove hes presence in united?
Giggs hasn’t played well since the first half of last season. Yet, fergie plays him. Same with Evra. Scholes has shown he’s not up to starting, but makes a massive impact off the bench. Fergie has got Wenger syndrome, nobody to tell him when he’s wrong. It’s this “safe” trusted players crap that will cost us.
Ferg is goin old bad coz how comes he put both older players to the starting line at the fuckin match like that
@AlphaRS
thank you sooo much! =)
Bored game..! Nothing shoot on goal for United in first 20minutes..!
Tottenham is playing like a team who knows we can’t hurt them! Sobering! We look vulnerable…
Rio is seemingly terrified of defoe’s pace.
Dear Ryan, we are playing in red. Thanks.
I can’t believe we didn’t sign Dembele. He is the player we are missing. We are like a soft mint. We have quality everywhere, except the middle and we keep getting cut out right down the middle.
utter dog shit!
Anyway..why was that not a penalty for that chop on Van Persie ?
well what do u expect…we are playing 9 vs 11…yes 9 because kagawa and evra dont count..
the whoole midfield and wingers is sucking,
van PErsie seems in a mood.
cmon
It is exactly going according to script of the starting line up…
I think Kagawa is isolated. He doesn’t have anyone who is running off him or past him. He gets the ball and static Scholes and Carrick are usually the only option. There is no movement off the ball.
right down the MIDDLE.
omfg Bale just left Rio for dead then
This. Is. Shit.
No words for how badly we suck at the moment.
Deserve to lose very badly…
Remind me if we are playing Barcelona or Spurs????
NO WORRIES
Maybe RONALDO comes and scores for us 3 goals
SHIIIIT
Oh dear… 0-2 and we look like utter shit.
Gotta say what a fucking gutless performance. Gutted watching this, what happened to us?
Our midfield is awesome isn’t it? SMH
We are playing 8 vs 11
yea let’s keep laying this lineup. worked before working again. pathetic.
Fuck
I said united needed runners in this game, a dynamo with an engine, anderson should’ve started this game. They’re controlling the game, there’s no mobility in that midfield.
As a Spurs fan who cant watch the game . . I am amazed at you Man U fans . . You have a team to be proud of and a manager second to none . . . If AVB achieves part of what Sir Alex has . . I know he won’t be managing Spurs lol . . . COYS
I’m not even surprised. But I do hope we can come back from 2 down.
I would make that 7 vs 13…Giggs and Nani seem to be playing for spurs, Kagawa and Evra are simply asleep
Get pace over the pitch in your team Fergie…they are outpacing, outfighting and outgunning us all ova the pitch!
I feel Anderson should play in the middle. He bring more presence and body in the middle and help us win. Now our midfield is like open park.
Looking toothless at the moment. No pressing, no speed moving front to back. Looks like we’re carrying on from Liverpool. Being found out this time though. Think the midfield needs some youth, need some muscle up front and some decisiveness at the back.
SAMUEL you got that right
why Clevs and internationald doesn’t play and anderson????
GIGGS? with all respect, isn’t made anymore for these games
(((((((((
Kagawa is alone, persie same, nani same, Evra is worrying me NOW
Well maybe RONALDO comes and scores
Unwatchable
I’m not surprised either, but we’ve came back from 3-0 down before.
Please do not play Giggs and Scholes together in a game like this. Bring on our runners and tacklers!
We are being bitched all over the park, no excuses poor poor poor
We’re up for a long long night.. Unless giggs is substituted..
its all down to ferguson s fault….his team selection and formation is awful…
Im turning this shit off not gonna watch this garbage y is ferguson just sitting there? Get the fuxk up and do something yank giggs and evra and nani off
Pile of brown
Impressive! 2-nil down at OT. Any clear thinking united fan shoulda been expecting this on seeing the starting line-up. Fuck!!!
Wow. I could see it coming from the line up.
We have been rubbish for a while now. When is the last time we played well against anyone decent? Shocking midfield as usual. Dembele some player btw.
Not being ungrateful, but really why play Giggs?
Since when has ROM been so full of prawn eating cunts?
Some players are meant for certain games. Scholes and giggs should be impact players, this was a dangerous game to pair them as they lack energy to get up and down the pitch. I think most knew that
Are we really playing Spurs at home with only one striker?
I said this during the Southampton game and got a load of abuse for it, but I will say it again now – Fuck off Fergie.
Not suprised at all…..the line up is a recipee for distater
Fuck u cunt look at this fuckng performance absolute shite everyone here pays to watch this shit not right
No width in the game. VANPERSIE is sitting on the flank crossing it in when he should be fed through the centre. No sipport for him or Kagawa. Giggs needs to go off right about now
one gust of wind on kagawa and he falls over. weak!
NOTHING NOTHING…
Well we’ve been fortunate all season so far in all our wins apart from the Wigan game so should we really be surprised? Our midfield has been completely over run like it has all season. Don’t see a get out of jail card this time round.
Prawn eating…… Fuck you if you cant see how poor we are, formation poor, performance poor attitude poor. Something is dead in this team and if you can’t see it fine but 2 defeats in 6 ain’t good reading
Well this was coming just not good enough end of
42 minutes played – NO shots on goal, NO shot off target, 2 nil down, pathetic game!
The line-up should’ve been danny down the left, ando and cleverly in the middle. That there is a lot of energy. Giggs,with all dew respecct, has become a bore to watch. He doesn’t do much in games anymore.
Kagawa who?? Lift some fucking weights, lad
frankly speak…this should be giggs last season for united…he is legend but, his time is up…he has done everything he could…
Dev open your eyes. We arnt good enough and haven’t been for a while.
Pen for sure, still we’ve had our first shot in 43 min so happy days lil
this fucking refs not giving us anything after last Sunday v Liverscum
I posted this elsewhere:
I’m old enough to remember going in 3-0
It finished 5-3.
It’s not over until the fat lady sings.
By the sounds of some of you miserable cunts, you actually want United to lose.
PENALTY
Fucking 2nd goal spurs..!
Walker vs Giggs , Bale vs scholes..? Brilliant..!!
What are you waiting for Mr. Ferguson..?
2.half we need 2 strikers…have to say our support is singing their hearts out-great atmosphere
NANi is the only one creating the chances.
teamplay has gone better
JUST ONE GOAL
Our luck has run out it seems. Get Rooney on.. Go down swinging atleast.
he has been also shit at the same time, getting better,
Fuck bale…ego-bastard
If Giggs comes out for teh second half, we’re fucked
@Norman-85:
FUCK YOU CUNT! SHOW SOME RESPECT U STUPID CUNT!
@ Dev
Well mate, then we had a midfield that included Keane, Beckham and a younger Scholes…no chance of that happening is there?
Kagawa will come off and maybe giggsy
Dev, incomparable side to the one we had 11 years ago. We had a midfield of Beckham, Giggs, Keane, Scholes or Veron all in their prime and today we have who exactly? We’ve been completely over run like we have all season and today our luck has run out.
There’s a first half to instantly forget. Fergie, throw boots around that dressing room, i want to see some bruises.
@Vivek
How does Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez sound?
Fucking 2nd goal spurs..!
Walker vs Giggs , Bale vs scholes..? Brilliant..!!
Respond Fergie…you have to respond big man!!! AVB has got us by the balls!!
We shall come good come second half.
we will bounce back!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rooney in, Clevs or Ando and Chicharito later!!!!!!!!!
It is exactly what we deserved
@Dev
None of them are midfielders. And we are losing this game in midfield
Fucking shambles. Rooney for Kagawa for sure.
No matter how much of a biased supporter you are, if you think that wasnt a horrific display then you need a mental check up
@thecantona – no fuck you cunt – in fact fuck you facist cunt – are you seriously telling me that this line up will pull us out of this – readthe other commenst on here – even before the game kicked off there where comments about Giggs and Scholes not working – it hasn’t worked and it won’t work but Fergie keeps going back to it – is it any wonder youngs players give us a wide berth at times – too much reliance on past perfromances.
15m dembele cost. N fergie’s sayin there’s no value in the market
Sorry Dev we should be happy. Take the balls outta your eyes. If you can be happy watching that you are easily pleased. Total shite, no fight totally outplayed at home. It simply isn’t good enough. This team would be mid table if it wasn’t for the boss.
Vivek you are right,
we are loosing at the midfield
they aren’t going forward, Icarrick has played brilliant well until now, we need running power
Rooney for Kagawa, as much I hate to say it, Kagawa looks lost or he isn’t used :S
CMON Second half, it’s not the first time we’ve been here
Sandro’s been on kags like flies on shit if Sir Alex puts Rooney on for giggs he might have more space
Not surprised one bit. The best chance this UNited team had was to keep the score at 0-0 and hope Spurs stretch themselves. The opening goal shattered whatever hopes we had.
Watch how Rooney and Welbeck come on and the midfield stays the same…
Absolutely FANTASTIC first half from us. 1 shot. No midfield. No defense. Van Persie having to get back and defend to actually touch the ball.
For me Giggs should be removed immediately. get rooney on. Give kagawa and scholes till the 55th minute to save face if they can’t then get them off for anderson and welbeck. problem solved.
For some reason, I felt wayne should’ve started this. For all the baffling criticism swung his way, he’s always fired up in big games and doesn’t throw the towel in.
what a fucking joke
– how many times does fergie have to get taught that giggs and scholes can’t start together
– giggs is at best an impact sub right now
– we need more muscle and power in midfield. what happened to our youngsters?
– take off kagawa. he’s not ready to step up to the BPL as yet
@Norman-85 –> Cool down. The reason he played Giggs is he has nobody to play on the right wing. So he had to play Nani there and that leaves the left wing. He tried Welbeck there already and he was dreadful on the left wing, so he went with Giggs. Scholes in the center has been a match changer for us several times this season when he came on later.
The positives:
-3 more substitutes
-45 more minutes + stoppage time
-We’re at home
-We’ve got history behind us. So far
-We’ve got the greatest manager in EPL history
-Tottenham will run out of steam soon. They can’t press forever, even Barca can’t
-Apart from a horrible first few minutes, Nani is actually looking to prove himself even though it was his fault for the first goal
-Not a lot more apart from that
The negatives:
-Midfield isn’t doing so well
-Passes going astray everywhere
-Kagawa and van Persie isolated and being picked apart too easily
-I’ve said this before, 4-5-1 doesn’t work
-Lindegaard could’ve done better with Bale’s goal
-If this goes on, i’ll have to eat some rather large helpings of humble pie
It’s not over until the fat lady sings. Even if we do lose this one, at least it’ll bring some sense into Sir Alex, and maybe invest in some quality in midfield. Also let the golden oldies know their time is up.
And Cantona take it easy on Norman,
he is right, he isn’t disrespecting Giggsy, it’s just that he can’t play these hightempo games anymore.
Take it easy, I know it’s a shitty game for us, but don’t pick each other.
SECOND HALF is ours
Awful. It seems like it’s SAF that needs the hairdryer treatment this time:
“STOP PLAYING GIGGS AND SCHOLES TOGETHER!!!”
ferdinand’s slow. but what can you do about it? we have no defenders.
and nani’s been our best player so far btw
RoM is slowly becoming Redrants with many fuckers overly criticizes & disrespects the manager. It shame though for a blog famous for its die-hard Utd fans.
@T4M:
U better stay in RR with your brother “The Bayer Muenchen & United part timer fan” Grognard
No pace, no movement, no strength.
We’re looking like AC Milan
@dev:we might well cone back but tha will only go to prove how bad this starting eleven were. and that was precisely thepoint everyone has been making for an hour now.
I hope now Ferguson will see our midfield is in need, although this is obvious to even a blind person. Nani has been our attacking outlet. Scholes is getting closed down and Dembele has been a boss in midfield for Spurs. We need protection in our midfield as Tottenham are dictating play. I hope in the second half we play 100% better or else this could be another 6-1 which we can’t afford. We have only kept one clean sheet this season which is quite alarming for our club.
Dev
Supporting your team doesn’t mean switching your head off. No one wanted United to be as shambolic as they were in the first half. The point everyone has been making is that the writing was on the wall- this is the umpteenth time Scholesy and Giggs have been played together in midfield and it has failed every single time.
Why aren’t Rooney/Clev/Anderson playing? Why tinker with a formation that has done well four days ago despite having a second string XI?
Dev, we were utter crap. Admitting that doesn’t make you a flawed supporter/armchair pundit.
I am not surprised by the score line.
Where is my old manchester united. No seriously this is pathetic. Enough with the same bullshit excuses. This is not the Manchester united I support. Where the fuck is the passion to win. We may still win this game but playing so poorly and winning is not what we want. Let us play united way. Everyone bar Rafael and to some extent Nani has been poor. Feeling sorry for Kagawa and RVP. Where rae our youngsters who were supposedly to be given chances this season. We need to give youngster chances, No point losing with an aged team.
Anyways let us beat the spurs
@DEV
I love your comment, that’s the spirit, Completely with you
we will bounce back
When Carrick gets the ball he looks clueless. Ironically nani has been our most threatening player
This is definitely the worst ever first half performance I have seen by United. Everybody was simply rubbish. NO PASSION, NO DESIRE, NO COMMITMENT.
As bad as team has been, Fergie was even worse. You simply cannot start with Scholes and Giggs in the midfield. Then Carrick, Nani and Kagawa have been atrocious.
I would take an unlikely draw now.
Loool if anyone should get boots in his face it’s fergie when is he gonna learn
sorry Dev dont want be a troll. But most of us remember those days 11 years ago and also most of us remember the recent time we put 5 past spurs after a penalty won by carrick. We are all aware of that. 11 years ago we had one of our best midfields with scholes, giggs keano and becks all in their prime.
This is not the giggs and scholes of yesteryear to bomb forward. Albeit they are still class apart and legends they dont have the legs now. Teams fall back in defensive positions quickly we need quicker players and quick pass. Look at our starting 11. the midfield is getting bulldozed when the other teams opt to pressure and have really fast midfielders. We had our midfield test by likes of dembele even during the fulham game. Kagawa is isolated , scholes and carrick pass the ball to him he has 2-3 players. there is not midfield support to the front men , nani hasnt been in the game. The scholes and carrick are lying deep and both do not push forward often and quickly.
The problem is right there to be seen and we have had this before. But nothing against your vehement support of united. But your just blinded and fail to see the problem.
Dev didn’t mena we are playing good he’s just saying we will bounce back,
Even if we had Pele & Maradona up front it wouldn’t make a difference if Bale, Lennon and their freaking left back can run through our centre midfield unchallenged
@dela
Well said mate.
FFS, half of this lineup is over 30. What happened to the team that averaged 23 and beat Spurs 3-0 13 months ago?
Hairdryer Treatment on the way. Wouldn’t mind if some even shite their pants.
U are a ManUtd player?
KNock some sense into their fucking heads sir
Another big game another tactical error by Fergie. Giggs n scholes in midfield against a team with bags of pace? Alongside Carrick ? Seriously?
We’re being bullied here. Bent over and seriously raped
what the hell is wrong with you guys? you are making your own assumptions from the comments, he said WE WILL BOUNCE BACK
nothign else
@Norman-85:
U’re idiot. None happy with this. But to call SAF a cunt is out of order. I’m angry right now, but to insult the man who has gave everything we as fans couldve dream of is out of order.
@WeAreUnited:
He isnt disrespecting Giggs, he insult SAF. Can u read his post before u talk to me?
what changes Ferg requires to do at the 2nd time
Am horribly disappointed, am gutted. ℓ̊ think Ferguson has lost the plot…. Completely lost the plot
Cantona I didn’t saw him insulting SAF, apologise for that , nothig personal mate.
for that Norman, don’t go there, even though it’s a tactical error from him, don’t slate the man who made this possible
It’s funny how everyone on this planet can see giggs and scholes can’t play together, except fergie. We all mentioned it before kick off.
This isn’t 99 or 2000. That was when Scholes and Giggs were at their peaks. Jesus, it’s 12 years on. How many seasons must the midfield be this shit. Anderson and Cleverly are both old enough to either be good enough or not. If they are not up to it, why are they still here? and if they are up to it, why are they on the bench?
These reactions are not “knee jerk”. We have a team that has been going backwards for 5 years, it started slowly and other teams not being up to it, let us off the hook and made us look better than we were. We have won titles, but the competition isn’t in re-building mode any longer. They have teams and players that are better than most of ours, in every position. Our midfield used to be the best in europe, it’s now one of the worst.
Time for a fresh manager. Thanks SAF, but even the greatest have their day. Using an old player like Giggs, with another old player in Scholes, against a team as good as spuds is unforgivable, considering Giggs has been short of form for 6 months.
I hope Rooney will come in for Kagawa and Anderson for Scholes. Certainly lack of penetration from our midfield.
@Santa
I’m not blinded, no. I’ve said before other places on this site that the triumvirate of Anderson, Cleverley, Carrick is the way forward. I’ve also said that there needs to be a rethink how Kagawa is deployed, as evidently we play best with a 4-4-2 as much as others try to proclaim that it’s “outdated”. 4-5-1 just isn’t working for us at the moment.
@dela
I admit, I may be overly optimistic, but i’m just a glass half-full kind of guy. I do still keep the faith and hopefully Sir Alex and the team will repay it.
This is manchester United EVERYBODY’S spot should be up for grabs. Sentiment should be thrown out the window. How is cleverley supposed to get better when we dont even give him the start in the big games? I really cannot understand it.
this sort of show seems to be norm for united………….no fucking midfield……..we have to get off Giggs & Scholes they should not be starting games for us.
bring on Rooney,cleverly & anderson get that hot & cold twat Nani off.
hate to say but Fergie has fucked up with his team selection that midfield has come & gone.
having said all that I still think we can come back
come on you reds.
Fergie got rid of Ze Berb because he was going to build the team on speed… No matter what happens today, this is worrying me big time. Both goals happens after midfielders walked past our midfielders.
Really would like us to sign a new assistant manager with balls and knowledge to challenge SAF`s choices.
Costas
I know. This is supposed to be our ‘play it safe’ formation. Ironic then that we conceded 2 minutes into the game.
Shockingly Shiite all season . Nani is a handbag sweet and simple
The frustrating thing is that its not even the first, second or even the third time this season we put in such a performance
If Aldo and cleverly are not good enough to start when will they ever be. It’s time to gamble give them the opportunity . Even Powell should be thrown in the deep end .
On this day, 11 years ago, man utd came from 3-0 down at HT to beat Spurs 5-3 at White Hart Lane. BELIEVE!!!!
The temptation is to take Kagawa off, but he is being crowded out in front of the Spirs box…we need an energetic mid player to run off of him. Carrick/Giggsy or scholes should go, and Rooney/Ando/or Cleverley should come in. We look very lightweight and getting pushed around at our own ground…embarrassing.
I also wonder why Kagawa wasn’t pushed wide, or buttner (who started out as a wisdw man) introduced if we were having another injury crisis on the wings.
Ferdinand has shown a lack of leadership at the back from the minute the whistle went off, and the GK hasn’t shown any shot stopping ability as of yet, cant blame him for the goals though…defence have been shambles.
oh boy! “the winning here is unbearable, let me go back to the hole that i came from.
People almost say Ferg age drive him mad with team chage but the writter higher him as the changeble coach;mother fucker
Tottenham are the last club to have been 2-0 up at half time at Old Trafford against United and finish the game as losers (2009)
Funny to see how fickle fan really is. Losing in the first 1 half & its all doom & gloom. Many cunts come here spoil bollocks when we’re losing but gone M.I.A. When we’re winning.
I support this club, this team, this gaffer. I rather sing my heart out to support the team instead slate them..
COME ON UNITED!!!
As for Anderson, the match vs Newcastle is proof he isn’t fully fit. I cannot explain Cleverley’s absence.
The biggest positive we will get out of this loss, if it ends this way, will be a wake up call for Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Rio Ferdinand that their times in the game are more or less up.
Most importantly, for Sir Alex as well.
And so Giggs off. Why start him in the first place?!
Now i know there is 2 parts for the opponent half. One part is the part where Van persie stays. The top half of the field where he scores goal and this is where Van nisterooy is good at.
Another half, is where we are lacking. The bottom half of the opponent half. This is where we link our midfield to our forward. Rooney is so good at this position. I really hope we can do well!
@Dev
We are adopting to a play a more of 4-2-3-1 this season but that formation to work effectively we need one of the deep lying midfielders to be a box to box player .. some one like ando/ clev… esp against teams like totenham who will press faster. It is okay to start with this line up against smaller teams and we can beat them hands down. But not against top 8 teams. 4-4-2 has worked for us in the past and but last season esp in europe we struggled with that formation. To get back into this game we need to take control of midfield and provide more support to the attacking players esp,the likes of RVP, kagawa and nani
Again with the fucking long balls. KEEP IT ON THE GRASS FFS.
Thank God for Nani and Rooney
Fuck yes get in
NANIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Fuck Yeah !! get in an another !! The comeback Begins !
Now lets get another one
OMG
NANIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Coming back from this would be incredible. Rio just hasn’t matched the pace today
Damn!
the impact of wayne Rooney. absolutely SUPERB CROSS and then we go up the other end. NON EXISTENT defense. 3-1. looool. our defense is a joke.
Genius, more fucked than a £50 whore
I think Rio’s time is up.
Evra missing there too
Who was marking dempsey how did he has so much space in the midfield ?
Wow Kagawa there! Incredible!
Nani! I LOVE THAT MAN. Rooney the catalyst. But our defense is fucked. Rio is being taken for a ride and Linde is spilling shots all over the place.
Ninja!!!!
I asked Ronaldo to come and score an i got NANIIIIIIIIIII
THANK YOU ROONEY
EDIT: 3-1
Raining goals!
Oh my…
Kagawa.
Come on lads
damn 5-3 all over again!
I want Ando in!
GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOol
RGenius, more fucked than a £50 whore
Get Buttner ön!
Their counterattacks are murdering us. No presence in midfield. Too easy for them there…
If we can get one more in, we can win this match!
Come on lads.
This is when the players need us most
Keep the faith
The defense is fine, the midfield is underming it. They are running past our midfield like it’s not there.
Finally some serious pressure there. Come on on lads.
Guys.
This is when we have the momentum.
Vilas-Boas is Mourinho’s mini-me. He loves tactical discipline and cohesion.
Right now the formbook and tactics playbook has been ripped to shreds. We’ll slowly overcome Tottenham.
Right now, it’s about who’s more desperate. I’ve talked about how important tactics is in the modern game before, but this is not the time.
Come on United
where was Rooney yet
Come on Ref!
Well at least now United seem like the team that we all love…amazing the difference one man can make on a game
Oh my. There is two foul in the box. One on Nani, i must admit one of it must be penalty.
The one on Kagawa seems to be foul too?
What a miss!
POST! Hit the post. Oh my.
The longer it takes, i feel we wont get to score. The momentum will not be on our side.
Tottenham running scared and losing their desire to attack.
Come on United
Fuck off you lino you twat:) Dont care if we lose this.. This is what i love about United.
Chris fucking foy , as always been an asshole with us
Rooney coming up and lifting us just shows how right we were all along . ℓ̊ don’t care what anyone says
Finally some urgency now. So we need to be two goals down and have a halftime talk from sir alex for it to happen.
The goal is coming. Keep at it shrek.
I m just scareing when we will play really strong teams….they will break us like kid a toy…
Attack! Attack! Attack attack attack!
Come on lads
Oh Dear Van Persie…
Should have scored !
Oh. Should have pass the ball to Rooney.
Couldve squared it as well. Just wondering who could get on from the bench to add something…
BELIEVE
One more goal. Come ON!
Lol almost vintage scholesy there…
we need ando’s bursting run….c’mon united!
Also…we are chaseing strikers, which we need…but we need more midfield players…if you have good midfiled, strikers will score. But if you have poor midlfiled, what can strikers do?
Clev…will be good one day, maybe, but for now we need class players in midfiled, unitl lads from our academy grow up…
Nani came alive in the 2nd half. Seriously, i think one of his best games. He need more bursting runs, regain his confidence. Maybe need more runs to take on people.
Manchester United are the ONLY thing that can cram every human emotion in to 90 minutes! ManchesterUnited!!!!!
Scholesy has been magnificent! how do you replace that…
Scholes deserves a goal… and a private jet… and the keys to the city.
Our momentum is down. We should have score from that penalty!!!!!!1
Should have been 4 now hitting the post twice ! unlucky !
How much has Rafael improved?
damn!
Think we cant win. Maybe im wrong.
what the heck?!!
How many subs spurs make? Seems so many lol
I wish we get at least…1 point…
if you remeber what i said about…where to put money on Spurs? i said on Spurs…i was jokeing…but it was truth…in every joke is half truth…
still ferguson fault…he should had played the 2nd half team from the very beginning…
still ferguson fault…he should had played the 2nd half team from the very beginning…
Almost. Just almost.
Humble pie anyone?
Well that should be a lesson. Scholesy and giggs cannot start in the same midfield and Rooney is that important…
Fucking bastards ! got lucky ! SOB , a penalty not given .. fucking foy ..
Anyway awesome fight till the end
Can this really be the very last time Giggs & Scholes start together? Look at what a difference a player change made
Gutted, we really looked dangerous in the second half, just couldnt do it.
Well at least we showed up in the second half, much improved but we left ourselves too much to do after a first half that showed the blatant weaknesses that we have. Keep the red flag flying high.
Well done Spurs.
That’s it, the fucking Rio Ferdinand horror show is finally over.
Christ that was the worst first 45 we have played for a long time.
FUCK THESE SPURS.. celebrating as if they will ever win the LEAGUE!!! NEVER U FOOLS stop DANCING on OUR GROUND!!! TO HELL WITH THIS..
This defeat is down to fergie . His first half team selection was appalling
Some pride recovered, but SAF makes another error with the first half tactics. We played the second half, but if this wasn’t a sign that Giggs and Scholes shouldn’t be together and Giggs at all, then I don’t know what else. Very disapointed
wow
I am speechless, I really expected us to turn this around
what a chance for Van Persie, how did he miss that???
damnnnnnnnn
just 6 games, and we already lost 2…sometimes ferguson really mess the selection…
This defeat is down to fergie . His first half team selection was wrong
Where the hell were my MANCHESTER UNITED in the first half? Fergie erred…period! The post saved them twice!!
Thank You Fergie…. Giggs should not be told when to retire. Most reds are now forgetting he was once a good player.
A call from Gary Neville should do it for Giggs, he needs to know he needs to hang it now and save his Legacy
Today United played possession football pressing high up the pitch.
It almost worked too had United not conceded goals on the counter attack.
Unlucky not to win to be fair.
Fucking disgusting I’m serious come January offload some dead weight. Clearly fergie thinks Anderson and celeveely
Are useless so clear em out. Ferdinand and evra can fuck right off as well. Nani is just some fucked up paradox. Rooney needs to get fined weeks wages for being an unfit fuck.
Lindegard needs to stfu and deliver
second half was United spirit, but wow, speechlesss
what do you expect when you are 2-0 down, we are united, but still, teams getting better
speeechlesss
second half was brilliant, everyone fought, EVRA was a beast, the whole team
but still. speechless
Deny all you luke guys but something is missing with this team and the title is a no chance for us…. First half was totally abject and I am sick of wT hi f this team try to come back from being behind. Will the last one out turn off the lights please
We had it coming! We have been riding our luck for a while now. Please take that second half into the next game and kick on.
Even in defeat United managed to claw back some pride. This defeat will be well worth it if it can open Fergie’s eyes to the abomination that is a midfield with both Giggs and Scholes in it
@Diego
Lolz. That made me chuckle.
Susshi yo fucking troll, go out from here, go wank yourself with the you always walk alone song
Fergie got it wrong first half . Simple
Left ourselves a mountain 2 climb with that 1st half display good football 2nd half oh well.
Only 3 days until the next match
Sir Alex ditched Berbatov because he wanted the team to play fast passing football, so what’s the logic behind starting Giggs & Scholes together?
Congratulation spurs. Credit to them for overcoming 33 yrs of won drought. Credit to them but an abysmal first half. Fucking awful. One positive ,glad to see nani played and played well. Fuck
This does not bode well for us in Europe. Absolutely not.
At least we put up a fight.
Hey Scott, it seems you’ve finally got your wish though.
Wish we play every game like this 2nd half.
Come United
First half was beyond shocking and ultimately cost us the match. Can’t even blame one player, it was just a shambles all around.
Team selection was criminal…Fergie I’m looking straight at you!
The lads showed fight in the end…Scholes just gave a master class, I would give Giggs, Carrick, and Rio a lower grade than F if there was one, oh hold on…just found one- an absent.
Said it before , never take anything for granted
on the bright side
Rooney looked good and Nani showed some glimpses, so did Kagawa
i think Rooney should have passed the ball to Van Persie on that chance and RVP should have scored on tha 1-1 situation.
WOW
Let’s bring this second half spirit to our next game
Perhaps revenge for all haters after Anfield. 3 chances at getting penalty, not a sign it could have been given.
After Kagawa’s goal was 100% sue we could turn it around.
At the end of the game Scholesy and Carrick ran out of steam, Rooney looked not 100% ready to last the distance even though he played only 45 minutes, RvP not his day and that fucking Brad Friedel.
All we can do now is move on and learn hopefully.
Yes!!! We really deserve to lose the game. And if anyone of us will speak true, All thanks to SAF. More of the same, please.
We could have won the game , not moaning here .. but we missed couple of half chances (persie one ) and evra header . And unlucky with two hitting the post … but just hope that giggs and scholes dont start together.. if the team that played in the second half had turned up throughout the game we could have murdered them
Sushi, go and do us all a favour and top yourself you waste of of space. Why are you having a go at Rooney after that game!? Abysmal first half performance we can all agree on that but at least we responded second half. We can’t keep giving ourselves a mountain to climb so being 2 down at half time we’ve left ourselves too much to do.
Ive been telling all u neanderthals .we are losers.Go fer gie cum Pep my luv
AlphaRS
Glad someone is having a laugh… He must have been carrying an injury, he was that incredibly slow. Embarrassed by Bale in the first goal and the one with Defoe was atrocious.
Unfuckinbelievable!! We own the 2nd half. Friedel (again) plays his best form against us. Fuck!
I’d really hope SAF (Phelan &Rene too) learns a lesson from this tactical error: there’s no point playing safe & starting your oldest players at home games..
Lost it in the first half. I am not even going to say I hope Fergie learns from this, because he never does sadly.
Scholes and Giggs shouldn’t start anymore. I know Paul will get praise for pulling the strings again, but that only happened when Spurs sat back. The one time they attacked with purpose, Dempsey had a free ride down our middle channel and scored.
Some worrying times ahead if similar selections are in order.
Unfortunate!
Just pure puke im afraid
Costas
Couldn’t agree more. Midweek was encouraging, today was worrying. The second half was brilliant- we absolutely battered them, but it shouldn’t have come to that in the first place.
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“Fergie got it wrong first half . Simple”
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No its not THAT simple. Yes, I’d have liked to have seen Rooney start, but I did know Fergie would have a problem on the left wing with Young and Valencia both out. The fact is the United players didn’t play anywhere near their potential and that was clear from the second half. Rooney made a huge impact but he’s not responsible for every good thing about the second half performance (we still conceded again in the second half). They should have played a lot better in the first half. In the end we were unlucky not to at least pull it to 3-3. That being said, I really hope they learn from this, because overall it wasn’t good enough.
23 yr drought
Please Sir Alex, never start with Giggs and Scholes again. I thought Cleverley or Anderson merited a start today. Anyway, it’s done now, just no repeats please that first half was woeful.
Is it just me or does Rooney and RVP not see each others runs? There were at lest two times when passing would have been the better option but they both opted for a (poor) shot. One would think that they’d click better than that..
Okay. before my serving of humble pie, few points:
Postives
- I guess there’s still some mileage in Scholes left
- Rafael. How good was he?
- Nani. Needed a kick up the arse. Still, should he stay? Most Jekyll / Hyde player i’ve sever seen, in my life.
- Rooney. What a beast.
- Kagawa. He needs to play out wide
- Revert back to a 4-4-2, we’re in business
Negatives
- I was mad at Rio for getting injured and clearly unfit during the start of the season. If he just did the decent thing and retired, maybe Fergie’s and the club’s hands wouldn’t be tied down and we would’ve bought another defender.
- Giggs. Perhaps his time is up, for real this time. I seem to recall the curtains being drawn on his career and obituaries made during the 2009 season, until that goal he scored vs Burnley. Perhaps this is really the time to draw those curtains and write that epitaph on his glorious career.
- Evra, Competes with Nani for the Jekyll / Hyde position, maddeningly good one moment, utterly terrible the next
- Lindegaard. Could’ve probably done better with the Bale goal, although Dempsey’s wasn’t entirely his fault
Any more to add?
Im going to chelsea on loan
SAF makes mistakes.He cost us the game by starting giggs
Unacceptable that a team can play like they don’t care the first half, and likely something possessed the second. And we have made a habit of it. yeah it makes for drama, but fuck that, just play the 90 minutes for fucks sake…So why did Rooney not start again..if he’s fit (even half fit) he fucking starts in this team…there is noone (simply noone) who provides what he does at an all round level…SAFs having a laugh if he thinks Welbeck and Hernandez can come anywhere close to threatening Rooney’s place in the starting 11…
Note to the team; you cant always win a game by playing half of it
We have nobody to blamer but ourselves. Right from the time the team sheet was put out a lot of us knew that we were in for a crazy night. A fit Wayne Rooney left on the bench in favour of Ryan Giggs who has been terrible for the past two games. I have always said this and I will say it again. Wayne Rooney is BY FAR the most important Manchester United player. He has the drive and the passion to go along with the talent and you saw it today. Once rooney started forcing the issue EVERYONE else fell in line.
I also think Scholes even though he did well in the second half should NOT be starting games. He should be an impact player. Let Anderson and Cleverley fight it out for that last midfield spot.
Our team selection lost us this game. Congratulations Spurs. First win at OT in 23 years. Enjoy it cuz before you win here again it’s gonna be a WHILE.
Costa
hahahahahahhahahahhahGreece is in debt just like man hoof
Lindegaard – Might have done better with Bale’s goal
Rafael – Did well supporting the attack
Rio – Got caught out for pace horribly
Evans – Went missing for the Spurs 3rd goal
Evra – Much improved 2nd half
Carrick – Was missing in the first half, much improved in the 2nd half
Scholes – Was asked to defend for most of the first half, masterclass in the 2nd
Nani – Non existent first half, 2nd half did his part in attacking the right
Kagawa – Isolated in the 1st half. 2nd half came to the fore to collect all the passes between Scholes/Carrick and Rooney/Rvp. When he went off, the link between midfield & attack disappeared
RvP – Should have done better with his chance to level the game, but that was the only chance offer to him all game.
Rooney – Provided much energy to the game, great cross for the 1st goal, faded away in the last 5 mins
Rooney helped of course and it was bloody obvious. But he isn’t still 100% sharp and after first 25 minutes he gradually faded away with the storm.
But he is very very important.
I just pray and wait and wait when our big big squad starts to gel. It HAS to happen sometime with all that talented bunch.
Sir Alex Ferguson should look himself in the mirror,do the honorable thing and retire.He has absolutely no idea of what direction to take us to.He and Ryan giggs(especially giggs) should a gary neville and retire before they look like fools.Every dog has its day and SAF’s has truly come.FergieOut
I hope we can end the Lindegaard experiment for now. De Gea much better keeper for me.
Fine to use Linde in the cups, but De Gea for EPL and CL.
Dev, I agree with many points out there,
As for scholes, we know he has still left at his play, but the tempo at the first half was just too fast for him and he had not any help.
As for evra I also agree on that jekyll and hyde thing, but he played his asss off today, in the second half, even though he should have been vary for the dempsey goal. Defensively he was again left hanging, sad to say.
Kagawa, actually didn’t play that wide, he was more on that “Silva” role on the second half, so yes maybe he should play there but not as a winger.
Hard to say. One thing we know, on these fast tempo games, we need Clevs or Ando, or BOTh on the game
@dela
It definitely shouldn’t have come down to that mate. The team gets praise for the second half but for me, they just did their duty. Plus, Spurs were obviously content to play with counter attacks.
What worries me is that Fergie will use Scholes’ display today as an excuse to keep starting him. Giggs didn’t help matters on the left, but as far as I am concerned, Scholes’ inclusion in the starting line up was the catalyst for all our defensive problems. Look how often Lennon, Bale and Demspsey made runs down the middle unchecked. I want to believe that from now on the oldest starting midfielder will be Michael Carrick, but I doubt it.
Rooney is always crucial for United. If you agree or disagree deep down you know that we struggle without him these days. Fact
Haha andre villas boas offered sir alex a glass of wine after the match, harry would have demand it from sir alex and would of given us all 3 points
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[This wine thing doesn't work with the portuguese its a shame really
Costas:
I’m afraid you’re right. But some of Scholes’ passing in the second half was superb and even with space, only Rooney might be able to do the same.
We should get SAF into a small room and put the Bale goal on a loop. Perhaps he would see that you can’t win games if there is no midfield to cover the back four. The time and space bale, vertongen and Defoe had at times were incredible.
@Diego
To be fair very few players, let alone defenders would be able to keep up with Bale. We all know Rio is not the quickest anymore. When he was younger his game was based on speed and as he has got older and slower his game should be more based on positional play. SAF has said as much.
Although United lost that second half was amazing. United played high pressure, possession football, high up the pitch. It almost worked too.
I have to say Scholes played a blinder in that second half. He is just awesome.
and Marq
Scholes/Carrick and Rooney/Rvp. When he went off, the link between midfield & attack disappeared
I noticed this too, maybe Chicharito earlier on???
and someone said that somehow Rooney and VanPersie don’t see each other, might be true, cause noticed that also. they had chances to pass each other, but they shoot
speechleessss about how many chances we had, that Evra and VanPersie chance WOW
@Diego
United also missed a hatful of chances and were unlucky not to get a few penalties too.
What a miss by rvn when clear on goal. Kagawa was brilliant with his goal, should have finished the game, Welbeck did nothing. Unlucky for Roo with free kick, played well, should have started and not Giggs who is simply past it. Saf screwd up with team selection, no surprise there. Why did the team go to sleep in the first half?
Brilliant second half horrible first half. Once rooney was brought the spurs didnt know whom to close down , rooney or kagawa or scholes, that left them in a melee.
Felt we lost a bit of momentum when kagawa was subbed. He and rooney caused enough problems by picking up pockets and linking the attack play brilliantly . It died out a bit with welbeck on the left.
Probably the starting line should figure all triumvirate of kagawa rooney and RvP ? . But no idea how to put them in a formation…
@Diego
No doubt Scholes’ passing was amazing. I won’t take that away from him. But you can’t start him anymore, unless he has 2 midfielders behind him shielding the back 4. People point to the first half, but this unbalanced formation also led to the Dempsey goal.
Well the first half was a shambles.. Second half was exquisite.. Better crossbars would’ve aided us..
Anyway, just one point – please dont play giggs and scholes together.. I understand that fergie wanted to keep ando and clev for cluj, but i think giggs would’ve been better suited for that game.. This might just be the kick up our arse we needed..
Also some orgasmic passing from scholes.. Awesome. Spurs probably deserved to lose.. But hell we screwed up real bad in the first half..
Btw rumour going around that evans has a knock. Anyone heard anything.?
I don’t want to say that Ryan Giggs is becoming a liability and should retire. So somebody else needs to say that so I can silently agree with them.
Santa. We could play
Lindy
Back 4
Clev carrick
Nani rooney kagawa
Rvp..
Till tony v gets back that is..
@Rohan
He was clutching his leg in the end after a 50-50 challenge. Even after the whistle went. Waiting for Fergie’s comments.
AlphaRS
True that. The finishing wasn’t great.
For me, last season wasn’t the worst (as many would have you believe) season for United.
We pushed those cunts right up to the last day, right after everyone was writing us off post 6-1 loss. Yet, Sir Alex proved them all wrong, granted we should’ve won it rather than throwing it away.
That really postponed the rebuild. Last season it was clear to see, the future in the middle was always going to be Cleverley, Anderson, and Carrick.
This season I guess is when the real rebuilding starts. United are at the crossroad both on and off the pitch. Sir Alex is reaching his twilight years, would this be his last hurrah? Scholes, Giggs, Rio, and the old guard, are their times up? Financially, would United be alright? If the financial deals with GM / Chevrolet and DHL are an indication, and maybe the stock market flotation, perhaps.
I guess all we can do now is wait, keep the faith, pray (if you’re of that sort) and hope for the best.
BELIEVE
Has anyone got a fergies reaction to this performance?
Right tactics. Wrong personnel + bad luck cost us. Second half was absolutely brilliant. but then again we were the home team.
The defense has been leaking goals since last season. Specially the second goal was very bad on the part of experienced Ferdinand. He is expereinced enough to know he can’t win a race with Bale. We need to be patient as the next generation is about to take over and the future looks very good in that area.
No one should expect Scholes to break attacks at his pace. Both he and Carrick were being beaten for pace again and again in the central mid. Also Giggs does not have the legs for wing play. We should have started hernandez on the right and nani on the left wing.
No reason to be discouraged. Still a very good second half performance which should give us a kickstart for the rest of the season.
Costas – i hope to god its nothing. Hell we’d have to play carrick at the back again.
Poor fergie.. Gigg and carrick are out of d game in d first half.i dot knw why fergie prefer playin sluggsh carrick.when w hav Tom, Andersn and fletcher on bench.what w lack in ds match is a strong and good running midfield like Andersn. Even goalkeeper vry dissapointd. Tell me where is dea david.infat fergusn is getin old. Thank God we lost.
“And the sight of Evans hobbling off was an unhappy post-script given the defensive problems Ferguson has already encountered.”
On Espn.
U so called united fans need to chill the fuck out. The team that started today was coz of all the injures we have and obviously fergie doesn’t want anymore so none of the players who started Wednesday started today. Tho I feel Anderson and Clevs should have played against Liverpool and Tottenham and scholes and giggs against Newcastle
Even with the first half nightmare, I thought had Fergie brought on Chicho instead of welbeck, he would have stretched the defence IMO. Welbeck is not an impactful sub, at least not yet.
Think Lindegaard could have done better for the second goal, if at all. This lack of passion from our team is really worrying. We saw it quite a few times last season in the away matches, not apparently it is happening at OT!! at least we managed a decent second half.
Did Evans get injured, the shots after the final whistle seemed to suggest that. How many injuries are we going to have?! christ, arrgghhh. Still on the basis of the second half chances, unlucky not to have drawn.
I think for the first half performance, the entire team should be fined a week’s wages. And Fergie should re-think his strategy, mistakes are being repeated too many times from last season.
Scholes completed 135 passes out of 148..
Still got it.
Corea:
Smalling is on his way back, we can’t have more then 2 fit CMs at one time..
I promised I would not watch our games this season, it has been clear for the past 3-4 years United are NOT the team to watch but since it rained and I couldn’t go camping, watched the first 42 minutes… Now, you so-called-die-hard-fans tell me what positives I need to take out this game!!! I support the team but I am NOT blind! 2 years ago Scholesy retired and Cleverly was reaping Man Shitty into ribbons, yet these days Scholesy is playing and Clev is not! Fergie put 3 players of over 100 years of combined age against the most mobile midfield in the league!!!! What??????? Many of you make fun of Arsenal fans still leaving in the glory days but it is those, who do not see their own team playing like shittttttttt, you need a reality check! I am gonna stick to my promise!
Mats hummels to united any one ??
Some people might not like to hear this, but I hope Giggs retires soon, yes its good to have his experience around, but he can always stay on as a coach. Having him play on is simply holding back the youngsters.
I said this before, and I say it again
I can take us losing when we play with youngsters
I cannot take us losing when we go with experience and show performances like we did against Liverpool and in the first half today
@Vadimpel
If you’re not part of the suffering and hard work, don’t expect to be part of the success.
Am sure if fergie start Tom and Anderson in first half. D game would av bein diff.becs both cn run wt ball unlike poor carrick..i dot n why fergusn prefer to play carrick.why? Vry poor.
Dubba yoo;
Man utd bench: Ando, Cleverley, Hernandez, Welbeck, Rooney
Sure, whatever you say man…
we have been riding our luck lately, and it finally abandoned us.
I will never understand why, we can’t start our matches like we started the second half today? Had we played like that from the beginning we would have properly stuffed them, despite our defence being like Swiss cheese. Why we only start playing after falling behind? Has Fergie got a problem motivating his players? Their attitude in the first half was diabolical!
First and foremost the responsibility for this defeat lies with Fergie! He, simply should not have started both, Giggsy and Scholes. (I would have started with Ando and Tom, and play Scholes if necessary in the second half. Having said that, hardly any of our players played in the second half).
Second half was better, and with a bit of luck we could have not drawn, but won the match. Selfishness is costing us dearly today. In one occasion, Rooney, who transformed our team, took a shot when he could have passed it to RvP who had the goal at his mercy. Then Nani in good position with plenty red shirts in the box, frustratingly blasts it to row Z. Also I thought Kagawa played well in the second half, and was sorry to see him subbed. He was trying to make things happen.
The worst thing about this defeat that, yet again, it has exposed badly our leaky defence, and very slow midfield. If we don’t start playing from the first minute, other team will have taken notice and will try to emulate Spurs.
Finally, it hurts to say this, but if our defence does not improve fast, I wonder if we finish top 4 let alone get the No 20? I would be the happiest person if I will be proven wrong come next May.
@Diego – yeah. it has now become the story of our club unfortunately.
Just pray and pray and pray we won’t be seeing Carrick in defence anymore.
Play Wooton, M.Keane not midfielders.
The keys to our season
1. Team gels
2. Rooney stay injury free.
3. In
@Diego – yeah. it has now become the story of our club unfortunately.
Just pray and pray and pray we won’t be seeing Carrick in defence anymore.
Play Wooton, M.Keane not midfielders.
The keys to our season
1. Team gels
2. Rooney stay injury free.
3. Injuries…
[Giggs] its time he called it a day and save his legacy, I’m quite sure his performances haven’t guaranteed him a place nowhere near our bench a lot of miss placed passes, no chasing back, no energy…..
I quite admire his achievements, but there’s no one who’ll tell him to… unless he do so himself
Its quite appalling, considering we have a lot of youngsters who would match the needs required to succeed in such a tough league, unless we fgive them a shot we’ll never know what we have got
I’m not one to search the market after a bad performance by one of our players we have got enough capable young in our reserves squad who can challenge this under performing folks and probable pimp them to a place. Let’s fucking hope we play this hungry kid on tuesday
Well crap first half, Great second.
Main points:
Giggs and Scholes shouldn’t start in the same team ever again.
The manager needs to pick a no 1 GK.
Rio struggles against sides with pace.
Nani is far more effective on the right.
Need to get Kagawa and Van Persie more involved.
Overall the Manager needs to realise that using Scholes and Giggs in the same side is a liability and just puts extra pressure on the defence. Carrick is a mixed bag for me,can be pretty effective at times but also slows the play down too often to justify selection over the likes of Cleverley or Anderson. Rio is still a top defender but against players with pace he’s just not up to it anymore.
Costas,
You talk a lot of sense, my friend. Scholes, top performance in the second half but that’s because Tottenham chose to play the counters.Brilliant performance from him still. Still with that same spirit of winning things that he had when he was younger.
Evra gets a lot of stick but my word! Going forward and covering your defensive postion at that age, he does deserve some commendation. On a sarcastic note however, I like Welbeck’s assist and hat-trick. Totally won us the game.
No surprise that bringing on Rooney for Giggs provided much needed energy.
Still displeased with how narrow the LM plays. I do not see Evra taking advantage of the space offensively. And it would appear the lack of cover defensively on the Left will continue to leak goals.
Exciting second half. Dreadful display in the first.
Dropped points at Old Trafford again. Sad.
I would also try Buttner at CB.. I sound desperate i know.
Of course Evans will be fine, but be sure when something gets better on the one hand, on the other hand we are having problems elsewhere. It’s not that suddenly Rio has become any healthier.
Vadimpel : the travesty is that you are commenting without watching the first half.. You generally dont watch games. We generally play well. You dont watch. We’ll play well. Please stop watching united. Start watching chelsea and city games.
@Doghouse
ℓ̊ will help you say it….. Don’t worry ℓ̊ will take abuse thay comes after.
Giggs is Officially a liability
I really hope someone asks Sir Alex what is the logic behind starting Giggs & Scholes together? It hasn’t worked before, and doesn’t look like it going to work any time soon
Yea Diego those players played Wednesday and were not risked from the start today they will probly all start Tuesday
Typos as awkward as the performance!
well on the positive side of things ( utterly superstitious)
This is only the third time in Premier League history that Man Utd have lost two of their opening six games in a season. On the other two occasions (2002-03 and 1992-93), they ended up winning the league.
@joffery go fuck urself. Rooney was running short on energy at the end and that’s unacceptable for someone who played only 45 minted and gets paid almost half a
Million dollars a week
@LexxytheRed
If Giggs isn’t good enough for United then why does SAF keep picking him?
He could have played Kags on the left and brought in Cleverly or put Nani on the left and Valencia on the right. I agree that Scholes and Giggs shouldn’t play in the same midfield against the better teams.
Although there are some who are forgetting the service Giggs has given to United he shouldn’t be playing games based on past glories. But if that is the case why is SAF playing him?
Suck it up lads.And as for Europe forget it every team there knows exactly our main weakness and will come roaring through it.Guaranteed.
@AlphaRS
Am gutted and confused just like you. Battling my brain to find answers to this questions you asked but ℓ̊ really can’t find any. Fed up
There was no “positives” to take away from that. That bull shit is for sides like arsenal and wenger to say. U don’t rate performances on halves simple fact.
Giggs was started cause we didnt have another winger. Donno why he did not put kagawa on the left.
Anyways. Hoping for clev and ando to start this tuesday,.
Hope this team starts
De gea
Rafa rio evans buttener
Clev ando
Nani rooney kagawa
Rvp
@costas:
he never does??
WOW sometimes ur pessimism was just unbelievable mate. Tell me how on earth he won trophies for years without him learns from his mistakes??
Evans has a dead leg. Not as bad as it looked..
@Marq
I doubt anyone will mate. Fergie should have realized this after the Norwich game in March. Yeah we won with goals from those 2, but it was a game where our midfield was completely overrun. I realize we won the game anyway, but that’s the job of a talented manager. To see the error of his ways after a victory.
@costas
Well not to whole complete blame on fergie for the starting line.. not saying he didnt make a mistake. On the looks of it .. we had our hands tied with team selection.
To start with , Tony V and young out injured leaving us with giggs and nani on the wings.
Clev and Ando played full 90 mins against newcastle ( end of the game ando looked out of steam)
Rooney getting back from injury and doesnt have complete match fitness ( this is second or third game of the season) and he played 70 odd mins against newcastle
So maybe he didnt want to start them and give them full game ( i am just speculating here) and ended up with that shambles of a starting line up .
Sir Alex Ferguson: Manchester United ‘unlucky’ against Tottenham
Oh cmon! It means Spurs got lucky ? Don’t think so Fergie.
When we play the United way, no team is better. Urgency is the united way, the reason for keeping Berba out. Half 2 was the United way. Simply give us that for 90mins minimum. Sadly we’ve got the squad to do that too.
@TheCANTONA
Thanks for twisting my words. I said “I hope he learns from THIS, but he sadly never does”. By “this” I mean starting Scholes and Giggs in any kind of competitive game. Not that he doesn’t learn from mistakes in general. And where am I wrong exactly?
Both started at Anfield in the cup game in January. We lost after the team run out of energy in the 2nd half. Both started the home game against Liverpool and the away game against Norwich in February. Again, both games saw our pedestrian midfield get outmuscled as time went on. And it didn’t stop there. Because both started the title decider at the Etihad. And we saw what happened today. So how exactly has he learned from this mistake?
Read my comment better next time.
Prepare yourself, this is no proper recap. I’m way too gutted and exhausted and this is merely a quick random mu… http://sbn.to/VbhEhY
Today, the biggest problem was the midfield. Dempsey, Dembele and Sandro was simply a very powerful physical midfield, and we had no answer to them. The physicality in our team is ZERO, we could not touch a single corner (apart from Carrick’s flick).
Next, hate to admit it but Evra is finished. Everytime a full back runs on the left hand side and I see Evra jogging back like an ass, my blood boils. Get Buttner in, play him every match. How can your captain be so inconsistent and inept is beyond me.
Finally, a word for Rafael. It is clear that defensively, the kid is woeful. I do not know what the fuck our coaching staff have been teaching him. I do not know why the fuck Fergie had to fuck up with Wes Brown.
Rant over.
One thing for sure, I ain’t watching MOTD tonight. Cant bear the big ears’ grin and the rest of the ABU bastards!!!!!
Giggs had a 50% pass completion today with 5/10. Made only 2/7 in the attacking third and failed to complete a single forward pass
@Santa Claus
As much as I hate it as an option, Welbeck on the left would have worked better than Giggs. At least he would have run around the pitch more. Hell, what about playing Buttner at left wing?
As for the midfield, maybe Anderson wasn’t ready for another start, but what’s wrong with Tom? He hasn’t been injured. He’s young enough to play 2 full games within 3 days. Don’t know why, but it’s a bit of a mystery how Tom has gone missing after the Southampton game.
I agree about Rooney. He’s still not ready to start unfortunately. Not a game of this magnitude anyway.
If ur a real united fan then you’ll know at the end of last season Ferguson said in an interview that he’s never used a DM in 25 years so don’t think Carrick is DM or is there to cover our defense okay he stands up in front of the defence but he’s not defensive and doesn’t have a clue about protecting a defence. And as for Fergie he needs to leave in the present in 2012 u cnt play football without a DM it’s essential just look how Sandro was hounding shinji today
“He never moans, never argues and never demands anything. He loves football and his family…nothing else phases him.” SAF on Paul Scholes.
“By the time we’re off of the pitch after a game, Paul is already on his way home to see his family, that’s who he is.” – Rio Ferdinand.
“If you can show me somebody who can pass better than him, then I’ll walk out of that door and never come back.” Dennis Irwin
Buying left winger would also be a nice option. But unfortunately when Chelseas Citehs etc fade away slightly we wittness another one in PSG…
Just to distract your attention a little bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lot_C9rO3I
One of the best goals i ever seen.
Martin Jiranek, played for Birmingam.
So if Sir Alex does finally call time on this illustrious career, who do you guys think should lead United?
I’m sorry but giggsy should do the honorable thing and hang it up. G.nev did it after realizing he was past it. Yes giggsy could still score a goal now and then, but in most games he’ll be a liability. I love the guy to bits, but seeing him play like this is painfull.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19774222
Fergie moaning about lack of injury time! Is he serious?
@Costas
True
Clevs case is bit of a mystery.. without much option available and forced start giggs on the left , clev should have started with scholes coming on later in the game to give control. Or maybe scholes and carrick were assured starters and hoped they would have seen more of the ball .. but backfired amazingly.
Anyway am more worried about the defense esp the CB than the midfield. Midfield problem was more of playing wrong personnel. But for defense Vida out for 2 months and Rio cant play regularly . Evans hopefully its just a slight knock .. Phil and smalling are not yet back .. even if they get back soon they would be bit off the pace since they havent played for a while. Leaving us with scott and keane.
As frustrating as he could be, Nani is very much a weapon. Someone pamper him. Tell him how good he is. Tell him we can’t win without him. Sort him out ‘cos i believe on his day, our attack is mesmerising. Not many talented wingers like him.
All those saying Scholes had a great second half, miss the point of the midfield. The defense was fine, but it was undermined by the midfield. Scholes should have tracked Dempsey for their 3rd. Bale was allowed to run right at Rio. He stood no chance. Scholes looks great when he has time, he didn’t get that in the first half and he was no where. He is finished, it happens to the greats. His legs and lungs means he too static, it’s heart breaking, but we have to admit it sooner or later.
@Costas:
No one twisted ur words mate coz i fully understand your post. But u dont think why SAF had to play Giggs in the left? (1. we dont have another winger?
2. Ando&Clev might be unfit after NUFC game?) he made a bet & he lost it today but doesnt mean he won’t do that again (bcoz our injuries or another tactical experiment)
and i must say as a poster whom i respected the most (u’re the first poster who welcome me here 2 years ago) I hope a better analysis from intelligence man like u mate..
Costas
As much as I love Giggsy, I can’t remember his last good performance. It’s sad it has come to this, but I shudder every time I see his name in the starting lineup. You’re right- both Giggs and Scholes have a role to play as supersubs, but they really shouldn’t be starting games.
We might as well give Brady a game or two. Giggs did sod all while he was on the pitch- why not give a youngster a run out? The lad was very impressive for Ireland. Not saying much, I admit, but I can’t see us any worse off than we are with Giggsy starting.
Obviously gutted with dropping points, but that second half performance was something else. Spurs were lucky to win all 3, they pulled Nani’s shirt and got Kagawa not the ball for starters. Thats 2 clear penalties and we also hit the frame twice. Worst of all Spurs got the first goal after a lucky deflection. Gutted with the loss but not quite to the extent most seem to be.
TBF that midfield of Bale Lennon Sigurdsson Sandro and Dembele have played together since the window closed. We were poor in the first half, but I reckon Alec would’ve been happy will 0-0 until he made his subs. One flukey goal caught us cold, then we conceded trying to equalise. Spurs aren’t Barca but they don’t exactly need a 2 goal handicap either.
Shit happens, but I saw enough from our lads in the second half to take comfort. RVP, Rooney, Kagawa, Nani, (plus Anderson and Cleverley) haven’t played the same amount of minutes together as the Spurs team or other clubs with brand new players. Those final 45 minutes were priceless for all involved and only the woodwork denied us. Gutted but hardly distraught.
@Santa Claus
“Leaving us with scott and keane.”
Sometimes this problems make history and give youngsters much needed breakthrough..
It depends on their character of course. If they have the necessary character i don’t see a big problem why we shouldn’t play Wooton or M.Keane instead of Carrick at CB.
But fortunately Smalling and Jones are closing on their returns.
wow Coea what a goal
JUST WOW
@Corea
Totally true , one can only hope that both scot and keane steps up and make them counted if in case we need them on worst case scenarios
Also another reason why tom didnt play might be due to the CL game on tuesday. Considering our abysmal show last year, fergie would have had in his mind to pick more agile midfield for that game and gambled against spurs in the first half ..
September 29, 2012 at 20:51
dMuzikManUnited says:
I’m with you on that.
He should feel loved at the club. Maybe he is a jekyll and hyde as someone mentioned, but he is our weapon.
He’s one of the few who creates chances.
We all need to feel loved, right?
Regardless, I guess, there are still more positives to take way from tonight than negatives.
And maybe chequebooks will open during the January transfer window, for all the depth we supposedly have, after an injury or two we suddenly look “bare bones”, as ‘ol ‘arry would put it.
Now, about that pie…
@WeAreUnited. Sure. Luis needs love.
^^
hahaha, funny
in all seriousness, I think he really should be told that he is an asset and the team relies on him, so he could sort his game.
Exept for the first minute, I was so happy that he scored and played well, not at his best, but never let us down. sometimes his passes weren’t that good, but then, were Kagawas or someones else? if we don’t count Scholes
CMON UNITEDDD
BTW
I think he feels loved at home http://www.ronaldo7.net/friends/nani-girlfriend-daniela-martins-sexy-cleavage.jpg
http://www.ronaldo7.net/friends/nani-girlfriend-daniela-martins-hot-picture.jpg
hahaa
UNITED!!!
How bout some reactions scott
I agree with most people that the tactics were right but the personnel.
We need to get back to our 4-4-2 formation. No more benching Rooney.
For Giggs, he’s a legend and he needs to hang his boots up on high. “Please take a coaching role”
I’m a big admirer of giggs, with all his contributions and acheivements, his name is carved into the history of manchester united, english, european and world football but there comes a time when a knigbt has to realise he’s not up for the rigours of battle. The head might want to do it but the body can’t.
I hope giggs realises the time is up to pack it in, let him leave fans with memories of his brilliance and not him deteoriating away in his final moments. In my opinion, he should be mainly a sub, providing experience from the bench.
We need to put faith in the younger midfielders, the likes of anderson and clev can’t improve or gain confidence from the bench, if they are the ones to carry the club on then they should be trusted.
Other much younger players in the squad ( powell, tunni, petrucci, cole, lingard) also need to be tested, we all sit and admire their potential yet they’re not given opportunities. Every great player started from somewhere and we need to trust them or maybe it’s the buying route we need to take, I don’t know
The footballing old knights of giggs and scholes can’t go on forever and they certainly should’ve been in the stage of being eased out yet they seem certain starters despite their form waning (applies more to giggs), I hate to say it but i can’t help but think they’re starting based on their previous contributions. We need to see changes for the cobtinious improvement of the club, everyone is moving on.
The only good to come of this is fergie recognising his own mistakes – and moving to a system to get best out of the players and picking younger mobile midfielders – will he do that? Probably not – he has the same lesson on a dozen occasions in the last year and ignored it – that line up was a death wish that every sane fan was horrified at – but it was the same at the emptihad – the substitutions continue to be woeful except bleeding obvious of Rooney on – very very poor management today
As for the centre backs, I think we lack some serious pace there, time for smalling to be a guaranteed starter. Only he has everything in his game right now. aerial presence, pace, power, mobility e.t.c. Not sure how well he’s played with evans but they both should be looking at being the main men. No one knows how much all these injuries will take out of vida, rio is not as sharp as he once was and jones needs a lot of work on his game. Could do with the likes of wooton.and michael keane stepping up or we could go out and buy an accomplished defender. Something has to be changed, i’m obviously not writing rio or vida off but question marks remain on them being as formidable they once was. Evra losing a yard hasn’t helped either. We can’t sit ans think these guys will get any better, they’re already showing signs of slowing down but I hope they step up as their experience is needed.
Hmm a bit of arrogance there from Sir Alex that gets duly punished. We were nowhere near it at Liverpool and I think he might have been hoping that we squeeze in another win before the champions league. And with the match being at Old Trafford, and Spurs’ terrible record here, he might have convinced himself its possible. Scholes is 37 though. 37! Going to be 38 this Nov. For a midfielder who is supposed to run our midfield we just cant expect him to do it for a full ninety, especially early in the match when teams are pressing. Giggsy should be used as a bit part player. Just dont see why two of fletcher, anderson and clevs couldnt have been used for a fifty to sixty min period and then scholes and/or giggsy could have come on towards the final thirty. Hell imagine a Rooney raring to go unleashed towards then with a tiring tottenham. Dont buy the argument that Sir Alex’s options were limited because there are no injuries reported regarding our younger midfielders.
The other thing that is being masked here is the fact that all of this season we have been defending atrociously and not moving the ball with speed. Do not let the spurs’ second half performance deceive, they were sitting back and inviting the attack. Thats what allowed Scholesy to dictate play and whenever they did move forward they looked dangerous. Strange to say of a United side, the defending issue is also due to the fact that we seem to have forgotten how to press. Did it for twenty minutes today after a two goal deficit. We just sit back and let teams waltz right upto the eighteen yard box. Its happened too consistently to be a one match or personnel issue. It points towards a coaching problem and I have always backed our staff but honestly the regression to the long ball style of football and defensive naivete have become too obvious. Just hope this all begins to get sorted because as of now we have two good forty five minute performances in the league. Not good enough.
Fergie don’t be a cruel twat, pension Giggs off, he’s done his time, let the fucker retire.
That is all.
The whole footballing world are tonight having a laugh. Fergie has absolutely made a fool of himself with his statement on ‘lack’ of injury time. They were having a field day in Al Jazeera just now!!!!
The pressing issue is due to a lack of legs in midfield pure and simple
GIve youth a chance fergie – clev and Anderson are 23 and 24 – should be in prime
The only time he got of his arse at everton was to point at his watch
Hans – what exactly is your point? Loads of people mock fergie, the ABU’s hate the club but do you really think he gives a flying fuck?.
Just back from the game and the throat has just about recovered. The second half atmosphere was similar to that against Barcelona in the semi of 2008. I’d go as far to say that the second half performance was as good today as anything we’ve seen since the days of Ronaldo.
Oh what might have been. Starting with the team that began the second half and I reckon it would have finished 6-3 to Utd. It’s time to stop worrying about protecting our full backs and how the opposition can hurt us and hit teams with all the firepower we’ve got, hard! There’s no side in this league that has the firepower we have and it’s about time Fergie stopped giving the opposition a chance by tinkering with the side and formation.
We looked leggy and lethargic in the first half but that was no surprise given the way the team lined up. Move Kagawa to the left and look what happens?! Van Persie and Rooney suddenly looked like they’d played together for years. Scholes was majestic, alongside who Carrick who really rose to the atmosphere of the game. Even Rio and Evans who were at fault for our goals stepped up and did all they could to salavage the point that we deserved at the very least!
I just wish we’d start with our strongest team. The time to accommodate players has gone and the strongest team has to be selected for every league game. European group games are a distant second for me on the priority list.
Proud of the lads and the fans at the end. We knew we’d given it everything, not something we’ve been able to say on too many occasions just recently.
@samuel
He should look at the real reasons why we lost today. Injury time, had nothing to do with it? He should hold his hands up he, and admit that he made mistakes today, rather than find lame excuses!
Bit late sending something now. But we were fucking robbed. end off.
@TheCANTONA
Had some time to cool off and my apologies to you for overreacting. Look, I am not disregarding the manager’s track record. He’s the best. However, when it comes to Sir Alex, the one thing I’ve admired about him more than winning us trophies, was his ability to bring in youngsters to the first team and establish them. Which is why I don’t understand why Scholes and Giggs are seeing so much action at this stage of their career. I know our squad has taken hits recently, but a team like United should never have to resort to starting a 38 and a 39 year old in a game like this. And there were options. Danny or Buttner on the left, Tom or Ando next to Carrick. I find it hard to believe that Scholes can last 90 minutes but Cleverley can’t.
You will hear a lot of over the top comments about the manager today. I try to keep a cool head, but I admit that some of his moves have irritated me as a fan recently. The Newcastle game proved how beneficial an energetic midfield is to our play. And today we reverted back to an ineffective ageing midfield. And that was the source of my frustration.
@dela
The last season is a bit of a blur to me. Giggs definitely had a good game at the Ch.League quarter at the Bridge 18 months ago. Other than that, I think he did ok at the Etihad at the start of this year when we won the cup game. I don’t remember any other noteworthy performances from him.
Barca just did what we should have done today!!!!!!
@Samuel
I agree about Giggs and Scholes. And it’s a painful realization when you’ve grown up with these guys. Just like it was when Neville came off at half time that day at the Hawthorns. One of the reasons why I was so critical of their selection today was the fact that I hate seeing these legends exposed like that. And I am trying not to make this just about Giggs. Scholes received a lot of praise for his passing and rightfully so. But defensively he didn’t help one bit. And he shouldn’t be expected to. At 0-1 I noticed Lennon making a run down the center. Didn’t take anything more for me to realize that the Spurs players were instructed to do this because Carrick and Scholes will be bypassed with ease. And that’s what happened for Tottenham’s 2nd and 3rd goal. I thought it was unfair that Rio became the focal point after the Bale goal. What was he supposed to do? Just like Crouch can beat him to a header, Bale can outsprint him. The point is how you protect the defence from going 1 on 1 like this.
Spurs won at Old Trafford for the first time in 23 years fml. Our ageing midfield were fully exposed. They passed into space and to their feet who overrun our static midfield not for the first time. Why the fuck do we have to keep coming back from behind to win the game? If you don’t trust the young lads then make purchases to provide cover for midfield and not painfully rely on the two veterans time and again. This is really fucking painful to watch. I do not wish to blame any particular player but the selection choice was startling. You can blame it on luck in the second half but there was no fucking excuse for the first half at all.
Its a shame the Manager cant be dropped. The team selection and senseless tinkering and complete and utter lack of touchline presence demonstrates that he is now past his best before date.
The midfield is an embarassment, has been for a few years now and it now starts to look like a stubborn old man is trying to prove his superiority.
After all Rooney`s big talk he didnt do it today………. you can say what you want about hitting the post with a free kick the bottom line is that he did not win any points for us today.
Truly great players do.
@SHINJI THE NINJA
Obviously you have your own opinion on SAF, and I’m not gonna say you are wrong or right on that, as I’m indifferent to his decisions occasionally, like today – Giggs and Scholes in the same line up? I hate to say this, but I kinda wish they’d both retire – it’s the only way we’ll ever truly move on.
As for Wayne, he’s returning from a serious injury. We looked a hell of a better team with him playing in the 2nd half, and he set up Nani and nearly scored a great free kick. I think some of you expect miracles from our players sometimes.
Lack of energy and mobility in that first half. Carrick-Scholes-Giggs as part of the midfield was always gonna cause that issue.
Apologies for posting this for the UMPTEENTH time in the last 12 months…..but how the hell does Giggsy still start games? Legend -yes. Great impact sub – yes. Starter – never in a million years. He’s a liability….and I’m hoping that his subbing at half time is Fergie finally realising he doesn’t cut the mustard any more. I really don’t want him to go down the Neville route of embarassing himself towards the end.
Tbf, Scholesy really stepped it up in the second half, but as brilliant as he was, I feel he’s an obstacle. Bring him off the bench and he’ll swing games for you. But its time to let guys like Cleverley and Anderson have their head. They need CONSISTENT runs in the side. As far as I’m concerned, our starting midfield pair should be Carrick + Cleverley/Anderson.
I’m not overly concerned by Rio’s performance, coz he’s been magnificent for most of the last 9-10 months. In fact it was only a week ago that he was our MOTM. But I did say during the summer that we should be looking towards the future, and that maybe Smalling & Evans should be our 1st choice. As Samuel said – Smalling has the tools to be a complete defender, I’m a big fan of his. Him and Evans together would also allow us to play a higher line and press teams more (as long as we’ve got legs in midfield as well!)
On a positive note though – second half was phenomenal. Hopefully that kickstarts our season. And that front four is EXACTLY what I’ve been dreaming of for the last couple months. A fluid 3 of Nani-Kagawa-Rooney behind RVP (who can also drift a bit) They’re our 4 best technical forwards, they can all swap positions and they make us really hard to defend against. You saw that for Nani’s goal – Rooney crossing from wide right, Nani in the centre to tuck it away!
Spurs’ strongest area is midfield so what does fergie do…play scholes who capitulates under pressure. Im tired of it, play cleverley or anderson or they’ll never progress. Fergie says we play young players but we dont, the capital one cup isnt enough, fergie wouldnt even play pogba when we had one centre mid last season, no wonder he left. Back 4 was poor, bad communication between rio and jonny for first two goals. Fullbacks running off and not coming back, Fergies asking them to be defenders and wingers, not possible. Tempo typically slow with not much movement. Giggs, legend aside, should retire, he offers nothing playing wise these days except blocking someone elses name on the teamsheet. Brutal I know but its the truth. David De Gea should be number 1 he needs games and is the better keeper technically, he might have saved number two.
If everyone here can see the problem(s), makes you wonder why cant Fergie?
There’s no point talking about bringing in new players, the fact is we can’t till jan. we have to get the best out of what we got. I’m disappointed sir Alex doesn’t know his best eleven at this stage of the season or what formation he’s going to decide on. I think an extra midfielder is the right way forward but that means creating a good balance.
RVB. RVB
KAW
ROO. KAW. ROO. VAL
CARR SCHO. CARR. ANDO
ANDO
Does anyone agree with me?
How good is Paul Scholes. Watching him live today was an honour. Take a bw Sir. No way should he retire, he is critical to this team and he can start games, he lasted the whole 90 minutes and almost scored, it is the players around him who need to step up. Cleverly is not a good defender and would not have slowed Spurs. Anderson on his day would have and would also have linked well with Kagwa.
I have to agree with above posts, Giggs looks his age now, Scholes and Carrick need legs around them as does Rio and Giggs can no longer provide that, he is slow to every ball, rushed passes, rarely completed his pass and under pressure picked no decisive pass, his crossing was way worse than Evra’s and kept drifting out of position. Evra did his job first half and when Rooney came on Evra could do his, Evra defensively and attacking was magnificent today, he made key blocks, tackles high up the pitch, rarely ever lost possession and played as a winger as well for the first half.
Pleased with Rooney, RVP has lost a bit of that confident swagger which is worrying. How good was Kagwa, he hustled like a bitch, kept possession, made key passed and scored a beauty.
I would have preferred Pea to Welbeck as a sub as there were lots of corners an crosses and Pea is just the poacher to capitalise on that.
Well, we could have won, but let this be a lesson – first half was shit – we cannot always do last minute come backs.
We needed De Gea’s instinctive wonder stops this game.
In fairness to SAF, I think Giggs started as we have no natural left winger at the moment and with Ashley and Valenicia out you would have expected Giggs to help the attack from the left and also be more defensively minded that Welbeck / Rooney. Unfortunately, he just did not even get into the game today. I would have preferred to see Buttner there or Welbeck, Buttner used to play as a winger so he could have done a job and would have helped cover Evra well. Beats Oberton.
I agree scholes is still the best player we have I’m just concerned that were being dominated in midfield and there is no solution.
Anyone that ever says Fergie needs to go can you please, please do me a favour and fuck off.
Talking such bullshit it’s unbelievable. Please fuck off you are scum to me! Scum!
I like kawaga but he’s too light weight to play in the middle he looked better on the left coming inside and linking play, it was also easier for him to get on the ball and have time to do something with it
I agree sir Alex is a god and we owe everything to him, he should go when he decides the time is right, but he should take responsibility for today. Playing giggs was a mistake, Rooney had to start and we needed more legs in central midfield.
Sir Alex didn’t put the team in the best position to win the match by putting out that starting XI. If you can’t agree with that then you’re delusional. He corrected a mistake by subbing off Giggsy at the half.
Problem is what is the best XI
Poor fergie.u shld be blame
Saf, if u knw that Tom clever and Andersn are nt fit to start d match.why killing their talent..they cnt improve without givn a chance to playd. Enoug of ths shitt. Carrick ws vry poor and sluggish in midfield..
I think by now ferguson w believ that de gea is beta than lingardard..if u continu rotatin d goalkeeper.it we affect the teams generaly.
Carrick is our main problem..we need a strong and physical midfielder.someone who cn move and run wt d ball.i think fletcher or Andersn, Tom fit in that positn
It time for fergusn to retired. Enoug of gambling
Mate please stop talking rubbish. Sir Alex, I think he deserves the sir should retire when he is ready. I don’t think we are in such a bad situation. A top midfielder, the correct formation to compete against the best teams and if these keepers don’t improve a new one and I think we can be successful.
Fergusn shld stop sentiment and playd d right players..carrick is good but vry sluggis on d ball..we need players lik fletcher,Tom and Andso in d midfield. Both carrick and schole are old to handle d midfield. They giv space to d oponent.it ok if fergie introduc them in d second half.SAF REALY FUCK UP.AND IS BETA TO LEARN FRM UR MISTAKE AND MAKE A CORRECT IN D NXT MATCH
Given Tottenhams mobile midfield, it was simply suicidal to play both Giggs and Scholes. I hate to blame SAF on anything, but that was piss poor today. The whining on here has been over the top though. Its early days, and we will push onwards and upwards as usual. Just cannot afford to play the 2 OAP’s together any more unfortunately.
NBI @ 00:07: “Giggs looks his age now, Scholes and Carrick need legs around them as does Rio and Giggs can no longer provide that”
My heart just sank when I saw that instead of the youth and energy of DarrenFletcherinho, Anderson, and YoungTom, UTD lined up with SirRyanGiggs, TheGingerNinja, and Michael Carrick.
Giggs was waaaaaay off-the-pace while it’s almost always suicidal to play Scholes together with Carrick.
Today was an object lesson in the inexorable march of time – sure, TheGingerNinja quarterbacked the attack but he was pretty woeful in his defensive duties and, apart from one instance when he matched Kyle Walker for 50 yards, well off-the-pace.
It’s time for SAF to grasp-the-nettle and usher in change away from his old stagers and pass the torch to the next generation – he’ll never know if they good enough if he doesn’t play them in key matches.
Piss poor team selection. SAF is way too loyal to Giggs and Scholes. Sometimes I wonder if the young players feel optimistic about their future. Notwithstanding the fact that Pogba and Morrison were scums, you have to question SAF’s reluctance to give young players a chance.
Fergie of the past would have started Cleverley. Not anymore.
The other thing is, you have to wonder what RVP is thinking right now. Even in matches that he’s won for us, we have not been able to get him into the game for sustained periods. He was way more effective in his general, link up play in Arsenal. Scholes and Carrick like to dictate play from deep, but we can’t have two similar type players in CM surely. We’re going to need quick passing, instead of having the ball spread out to the wings all the time, if we are to get the best out of RVP and Kagawa.
Look I’m not sure what’s going on with man utd at the moment. I think a formation should be decided and then we should look to buy and play the best players that accommodate that formation. Right now what’s clear is we do not have a dominant midfielder
It’s not that I expect us to win ALL THE TIME. But Fergie’s neglect of the midfield is just so bloody frustrating.
I agree we have not made it easy for him. To make it work Rooney has to play a supporting role, kawaga has to play not as a winger but as left forward and if scholes plays and lets be honest he’s still our best player you need something that we don’t have in midfield
I think one of the main reasons for lack of rvps involvement is rooney’s absence.. The second halfmyesterday was refreshing.. Rooney kagawa rvp nani all attacking in tandem.. Had we played a 4-3-3 playing ando and carrick as the defensive mids and scholesy as the creative bit with rvp nani and kagawa playing as forwards, am sure it would’ve been a different story..
And as for the moaners.. If saf retires we. Are. Screwed. Period. Suck it up.
Let’s face it guys, fergie has got to step aside, giggs and rio were shocking again, hopefully a new manager will come in and get rid of giggs , rio, carrick and evra.pathetic stuff, giggs and scholes will be playing till there 90 at this rate.get cleverly and keane in , give the youth a chance!!!
Scholes and Giggs have top performances left but they shouldn’t START too many matches. Most fan agree with that, but whenever they do make the starting line up it shouldn’t be a mystery – every game we win with the old guard is extra gas in the tank for the business end of the season.
Rotation is all about keeping players fresh, and thats the reason Rooney, Anderson and Cleverley were sat on the bench. All three could’ve started, but like at Anfield our manager took a gamble on an older line-up to secure the points. It might be frustrating but I understand the thinking behind it.
More to the point, on most occasions Fergie pulls it off, so one defeat in over 20 years at home to Spurs isn’t the end of the world. A better ref and we’d have 3 more points, so I can’t fault the manager for taking a calculated risk. ITS WHAT HE’S PAID TO DO after all.
Looking ahead – we’ve got Chelsea back to back at the end of Oct on either side of Braga home and away. The fans moaning about one loss to poxy Spurs clearly ain’t thinking that far ahead – but as our manager Fergie HAS to.
No one knows the players better than him – so if he’s pacing them for the season so be it. A weakened team beat Liverpool and we nearly did the same against Spurs. Nobody wants to see Clev and Ando start more than me, but im also tired of seeing them injured in poxy games against Bolton or West Ham.
I’ve been saying for over a year now those two are our best midfield partnership and it seems the penny is finally dropping. Thing is, IF they are our best partnership we need to treat them accordingly and that means wrapping them in cotton to kept them fit for big games. IMO thats why they didn’t start at Anfield or yesterday – we have bigger games coming up.
Shit happens, but our current position isn’t the end of the world. The manager took a calculated risk, I can’t be pissed off at that. Its a long season, after all.
UTID, the league is much more competitive than it used to be. We could have gotten away with it maybe a decade ago, but to play two 38 year olds with carrick, that makes a very static midfield. Sure there are always bigger games. But cmon, surely more points in the bag when you meet Chelsea is better. Spurs is a big game IMO, they are a good side. That’s arrogance when you think you can get away with it.
@bRed – you can’t win the league without a touch of arrogance mate, and as I said we gambled with a weakened side against Liverpool and we still won. Whenever he pulls it off he’s a genius but the knives soon come out whenever he gets it wrong. Fergie is entitled to run risks, and but for a deflected goal and a dodgy ref I reckon we would’ve won yesterday.
Why start Cleverley and Anderson if the manager has a doubt anyway? They are being protected for bigger games and the business end of the season. It was only the other day Anderson was shit and of no use to our club, now the manager is losing his marbles for not starting him and Giggs is the one we need to boot out. Its bollocks mate. We can’t field out strongest every 3 days, and that starting line up was strong enough to beat Spurs full stop. The real problem is its not our divine right to win every game.
RVP Kagawa, Scholes, Carrick, GIggs, Nani? Come on, might not be our strongest but thats still a strong line up capable of beating Spurs. I don’t see the crisis but it is funny seeing last weeks Anderson bashers now bashing Fergie for not starting him. IMO everybody should just sit back and let the manager manage the team. You win some you lose some. Be grateful we have CL in midweek, as that isn’t a divine right either… a mere 45 minutes of underwhelming football and people were ready to slag off everybody from Sir Alex to the tea lady. I find it fucking hilarious mate.
IMHO, it is time for youngsters to step up. We have been dominated by opponents’ younger players again and again. It shows how much the difference between older and younger players. I admit we owe a lot to our older players for many years but it is time to let go of the past and keep moving forward. They had the experience but not the speed, tempo, daring to try and creativity. They are still crucial but IMO, only as a substitution when experience comes into play. Yesterday, Giggs was not playing well although Scholes was performing. Rio was outpaced.
At one time, Chelsea was in the same position and many supporters laugh at their ageing squad which could not compete very well. But now, they put in a number of younger player to the team. United is still relying on Rio and Vidic, Giggs and Scholes. After reading news that Nani has a fight with our youngster, I think this is the end of his career with United. It is morally disturbing, but perhaps time to find new replacement. I admit the risk of playing younger players are there, but there is no gain when there is no pain. Arsenal played Alex Chamberlain and he was booed for performing badly in his debut against United last year. However, he is one of the key players in Arsenal’s squad now.
Whether SAF still has what it takes, I don’t know. Changing another manager does not always work. What united need now is the formation, players that could hold the midfield and youngster to take up the responsibility. SAF has been doing a lot of experimenting, I do hope he find the solution quickly, or United might have lots of problems. At this moment, most team are not performing well enough to grab all the points. However, If United’s problems persist, I fear by this Christmas, United might already be quite a number of points behind.
Also, im not saying Spurs aren’t a decent team or whatever, but if I had a choice between 3pts on Saturday or 3pts in Europe on Tuesday it ain’t even a question is it? Qualifying from our Group, preferably as leaders, is number one priority right now.
Its too early in the EPL season for dropped points to effect anything as we have so many huge games left to go. But in Europe we could throw it all away before the end of October!!! Lets be real, we’re still a long way off qualification and it would’ve been ARROGANCE to not treat Cluj as the bigger game.
Thats how I see it anyway.
Overall, I think we were unlucky not to get a result yesterday. Yes, we had a shocker in the first half not least due to questionable team selection which suggest SAF and his team had not taken the threat posed by Spurs as seriously as they should have. Giggs simply should not be starting a game like this, not in midfield anyway, and certainly not paired with Scholes. Scholes was and still is an excellent player but at his age he needs players with legs around him not another 37 yo…In second half, we overran Spurs – and Scholes was excellent btw – though without converting our dominance into goals killing Spurs off – not killing off sides more worrying to me as that cost us big last season, and Spurs are known for their poor endurance so it’s not going to get any easier. We have the players to fix this and granted team selection always going to be a bit of a juggling act. However, I wonder what’s going on on the training field when Giggs gets the nod over the younger, specialist midfield players that we have.
All we need is sack of Phelan and employing someone with huge tactical knowledge who is not fear of leaving Giggs&Scholes on the bench.
Since Phelan take over tactical duty, every year we look more like Stoke and less like Manchester United.
The biggest worry for me (and I admit I didn’t watch the game live yesterday, only the highlights) is that in the last 3 games against Galatasaray, Liverpool and Spurs, van Persie has only had one clear opportunity to score (and he dragged it wide yesterday). In the first few games of the season he had lots of chances, but of late either the service has completely dried up or he’s not making predictable runs for the others to play him in.
My god how I miss Ronaldo.
United Till I Die @ 09:23: “Why start Cleverley and Anderson if the manager has a doubt anyway? They are being protected for bigger games and the business end of the season.”
Gimme strength ! Cleverley and Anderson “protected” – a point in September is as valuable as one in March.
Cleverley and Anderson two need to play – a lot. It needs to be determined if they’re good enough and that can only be determined if they are tested-in-battle, not on the training-ground.
I was there on sat to all those who are having a go at scholes get real .He was best player on park by a country mile i agree about giggs but scholes was immence.for fergie to make 1 change from the team that was so pathetic at scousers was shit and that change was through injury to valencia
@Denton Davy – im not down playing us dropping points in Sept im just saying European group stage points are more important, as we learned last year.
As for midfield, Tom has played nearly 7 full matches now so he’s hardly starved of games. Anderson is a veteran in comparison so his 2 full matches are sufficient. His only real concern is fitness but he’s already had a good run out at Newcastle and looks promising.
Together thats our best CM partnership, but the “test” you mentioned won’t be against the likes of Spurs in Sept. The first real test will be qualifying from the Group stages and getting away results at Chelsea. I can’t see Scholes and Giggs starting in Europe 3 days later, can you mate?
Thats what I meant about keeping the youngsters ready for bigger games. Giggs, Scholes and Carrick all started v Galatasary and Ando and Tom were on the bench, but United can’t do that for the next 5 group games AND stay in the Title race. Fergie has to rotate the Squad and at this time of year Europe has to be the prime focus.
In a perfect world both lads would be as reliable as Evra but the reality is our CM’s need rotation to stay fit. We can’t buy our way out of trouble either, any CM we buy will be expected to play in the exact same system. Tbf it makes sense to me – we’d be fucked if we relied on one midfield pair to get us through the EPL, FA and League Cups and Europe.
Now, if Anderson and Cleverley don’t play over the next 7 games I’ll start worrying, but I’d imagine they’ll play their part at the Bridge and home and away to Braga.
I’d be surprised if they didn’t start on Tuesday mate. They are ready.
@Adeyemi : U right mate..
All United lovers has disappointed to Fergie, i cant understand what he thinking, he just replied his mistake last session, Wrong and Wrong starting XI. and he should be blame.
About carrick
Honestly, i doubt him for a long time ago.. he just enough for againts Wigan or Norwich. He not keano
About Scholes and Giggsy
Yes, both is our legend but they not like 10 years ago.
Fergie please… give a young lads a trust and more chance.
Yesterday were has giving 3 points to spurs, i hope these not happend again tommorow.
Come on United…!
United Till I Die @ 17:36:
I see your point about “rotation” but I just don’t buy into it.
SAF’s unwillingness to commit to Anderson/Cleverley – which is the fact of the matter when he starts Scholes/Giggs/Carrick in two successive EPL matches – is puzzling.
I’d have thought that he would “rotate” Scholes and Giggs by playing them in the League Cup (and having them on the bench for EPL matches) while playing Anderson/Cleverley in EPL matches which, surely, are more important to the success/failure of UTD’s season.
Being four points adrift is not as worrisome as the fact that UTD have not exactly been electric – sure TheLads battered Spurs in the second half yesterday BUT they also lost. UTD gave up a key, third goal when they were chasing down Spurs which made the struggle much more difficult. AND, of course, Spurs finished the match playing the kind of “turtle” 7-2-1 that opponents often resort to when they want to get-out-of-Dodge with a point.
The only EPL match that TheLads have played so far – only six games – that has been exciting was the demolition of Wigan. WIGAN, for Chrissakes !!! The other five matches have not exactly been inspiring me with confidence. BUT, of course, it’s still early days and the gap is just four points – AND the RentBoyz have not been all that impressive in integrating their midgets into their attack (they’ve won as a result of a resilient defence, some shitty refereeing, and luck which is how they won the CL last year – it’s not a recipe for long-term success).
So many terrible united fans! No wonder we get a bad name! Ferguson needs to step aside???
Brendan you stupid cunt
Cleverley and Anderson need to start every game and replace them to see a game out..
We’re going to get overrun again and again this season guys, sorry to say as things will not change.
I really don’t think we have what it takes to go all the way in CL this year. Playing the best possible team every game and try to get EPL back from shitty is within reach, but it looks like we’ll have to wait for 20 if we continue this way.
The way we played first half, and other displays at home over the past year has really encouraged the teams to come to OT looking for a win not hoping to get get demolished if they press the issue.
We have to change that perception!
Home matches aside, we’ve gone out way too often looking close to the first half (close – because i dont remember united looking that horrible ever – it was just embarrasing) looking for a draw, etc. That needs to stop – chelsea not united way.