We have seen in Part I how the term ‘Man U’, considered objectionable by many supporters today, was created entirely uncontroversially by newspapers at least sixty years ago, as an easy printed abbreviation for Manchester United. Used initially almost exclusively for fixtures, results and league tables, it only later became part of grassroots speech a little later. We can also state with some confidence that, contrary to mythology, the expression Man U was not popularised either by Pathe Newsreels in the Fifties or by television in the following decades. When it did finally take hold among football followers it was by word of mouth.
None of which explains why many United fans take such strong exception to the term, which some regard as the ultimate badge of ‘Glory Hunter’ inauthenticty. Given the routine and unapologetic use of ‘Man U’ outside the UK by people who may have followed the club from afar for decades it’s worth investigating this small but not insignificant verbal schism in a bit more detail.
Having got the chronology straight, let’s now look at one of the reasons most frequently cited for why true Reds should have nothing to do with ‘Man U’, centred round a song mocking the death of one of United’s greatest heroes.
Duncan Edwards, WBA fans and ‘Manure’
The fact that United’s teenage England international Phil Jones has been likened by good judges of the game to the great Duncan Edwards, who died over half a century ago in Munich at the age of 21, probably tells us more about the latter than the former. Sir Bobby Charlton has said that ‘Big Dunc’ was the best player he’s ever seen, the only one who ‘made me feel inferior’, thus endorsing Edwards’ status as one of the ‘all-time greats’. He’s always had a very special place in my heart too, even though I never saw him play. After the air crash on 6 February 1958 he was grievously injured but through sheer strength of will somehow lived on for a couple of weeks before finally expiring. As an eleven-year-old I became obsessed with his condition throughout that period, checking the papers as soon as they arrived through the letter box at home, sometimes with better news, sometimes worse. I was deeply affected by his death, as remembered to this day by my closest school friend at the time.
To me Duncan in death embodied all the qualities one might want in any near-mythical sporting hero. He was the master of every footballing skill, including pin-point long and short passing with either foot, tackling with awesome power and precision, a towering header of the ball and finally, the possessor of cannonball shooting power, earning him the nickname of ‘Boom Boom’ Edwards in West Germany after he bulged their net from way out for England. But his appeal to me went beyond any of that. It was his widely acknowledged sportsmanship and generosity of spirit that attracted me, together with his modest, down-to-earth demeanour. His team-mates always looked to him as an inspirational match-winner and he became England’s youngest-ever debutant aged 18, and helped his fellow Busby Babes to successive league titles in ’56 and ’57. None of this went to his head and he seems never to have lost his innocent, bounding, almost child-like enthusiasm for the game, whilst displaying the deep-chested, mighty-thighed strength of an adult. In a way that is rare in such a macho culture, people like Sir Bobby who knew him well openly speak of having loved the man.
That’s why it is so shocking that supporters of West Bromwich Albion came up with a terrace chant not long after Munich, playing – with massive lack of subtlety- on the term Man U, mocking the memory of a kid who’d grown up just round the corner in the West Midlands, in nearby Dudley:
‘Duncan Edwards is Manure, rotting in his grave,
Man You are Manure, rotting in your grave
Man U, Man U never intended coming home…’
It should be noted that the first letters of the words in the last line add up to ‘Munich’, clearly intended to add to the taunting nature of the insult, albeit somewhat desperately…
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thank you sir
Sir Giles
You are a living legend, bloody loved reading this article and will read it again….. I always knew for a fact that it was the WBA fans who got the ball rolling, shameful
Whats amazing is that after so many years people cannot comprehend the thought of United still here
Still standing
Still winning
Being hated to the core was one thing but in this monsterous digital age of key board warriors opinionated bloggers and self interested journalists and commentators the hatred has intensified beyond belief
Sometimes I wonder when i will stop, but the truth is long may it continue.
If everyone is firing at you that means you’re still top of them all.
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Rephrase: Typo
Sometimes I wonder when it will stop, but the truth is long may it continue.
those cunts on the sunday supplement were saying united got there comeopence for “bad” decisions that we always get the easy decsions they then started harping on about uniteds goals against chelsea and even went as far back as 3 seasons ago fucking cunts had all that scripted and ready to have a pop at us !! drove me mad!
i hope WBA get relegated…SCUM
Burnley are scum too
Every other club is jealous of our success
@gaz
I no longer watch that crap on Sunday Supplement, or read what the papers say, or hear radio shows as everyone has a pure hatred for UTD and celebrate more when we lose than when their own pathetic club wins
There are many around the world who hate Utd, but we should just leave them with their low mentality and just go on playing our football and winning trophies. However, there are some people, fans I know who are definitely not from England, but for them saying Man U is easier than Manchester Utd or Utd (as there are other Utds around as well), and even some of the French commentators who comment Utd games on TV refer to them as Man U
Btw this is one wonderfully written post, should have been printed in a newspaper…
Wonderful article, Sir Giles. Nice to see a special mention for Cedars
Absolutely disgusted when I read those comments by opposition fans saying United were milking the crash for every penny they can get and that United didn’t ‘deserve’ so much sympathy. My blood boils. Disgusting pieces of vermin.
even FIFA 12 has the commentators saying that man utd got popular worldwide because of the munich incident. Which i find entirely bullshit. When i started supporting united, i didn’t know anything about munich at all (was still quite young then). I supported them cos of the style of play and mainly becks, giggs and scholes. Its only after supporting united for a few years before i went to read about munich. I think other fans are jealous, and want to accuse man united of gaining from munich.
@sayyidhashim – Fair point man! i just wanted to see the games highlights again it just pisses me off that we get riduclesly harsh decisions against us and then its like we deserve it according to these dickheads that feeds the anti-united brigade and gives this false sense of “we get easy decisions all the time”, what pisses me off more is they never mention the fact there have been 3 penos against already this season and yet they say opposition NEVER gets pens at OT fucking moronic fuck holes!!
Superb as ever Giles.
gaz – No surprise there. Those cunts on Sunday Supp led by sheephead Woolnough need a fucking hiding. Don’t suppose Barclay was on there was he spewing his bile? Cannot watch that shit now as it spoils my Sunday morning but I knew that would be the attitude. “Oh United get all the decisions so it balances out”,. A bunch of fucking cunts the lot of them. Fat apeman Samuel, Wenger loving Barclay, poncey weak Holt. They all make me sick. Only decent one but is never on is Henry Winter. That cunt Woolnough hates United. A disgusting programme,. Oh another gaz , I don’t suppose they brought up the mendez goal and the pen at home to spurs three seasons back when Carrick was brought down? Or Vidic’s non sending off in the league cup? Bore off
United fans by enlarge are full of class, of course we have the odd cunt here and there…. We always pay tributes where its due and show respect, cannot say the same about WBA and more specifically Leeds fans…..
UNITED, best club and best supporters in the world
RMW – Cheers for the mention my good friend
Must add:
Triffic write up Sir Giles as Arry would say
And Cedars got a mention.
Truly Cedars is a well connected man.
The media will always be the scum of the earth
They use OUR club to sell their pathetic full of venim papers which is why I never read or buy any paper
They have let this myth that we get the decisions grow and grow simply bcoz they never highlight the decisions small clubs like Chelsea or City always get
Whenever we get a decision, all the refs know about it, and then even it up for us next time around
The only ref who was fair and not scared to give us a pen was Mike Riley, but then he screwed us in the FA Cup semi vs Everton after listening to what Moyes said.
Sir Giles
Many thanks for the mention, but me esteemed? Way too generous!
MG –
Sir Giles
You were 11 in 1958? Blimey you are an old man! Keep well my friend
How I would love to have a drink and a sit down with you and talk everything that is United, the memories you would share would be priceless…… Please please do consider writing a book
Many thanks, Giles. I’ve just read the two parts back-to-back and the last 30 minutes have flown by. A great read.
I share your ultimate sentiment though I must admit I have come a long way from the days of fervently disliking out-of-towners, daytrippers and Johnny-come-lately’s. I can’t profess to having entirely overcome my disinclination to accept British non-Mancunians into the United supporters’ family – especially when I hear a jarring Southern accent amongst the familiar Manc-lilted chorus – but hearing stories like yours has certainly served to greatly soften my stance.
As irrational a position as it might appear to be to hold, I am unashamedly part of the “stubborn rump of self-styled traditionalists in the UK” and for good reason, too. Without nostalgic conservatives like myself, there is a credible argument to suggest that what little remains of the club’s soul will inevitably eventually be lost to the overwhelming tide of globalised consumerism that is actively practised and encouraged by the likes of the Glazers – even in Manchester – forever to remain a cursory ‘showpiece’ in the club’s ridiculously-overpriced museum tour.
Fantastic piece.
Their hate makes us stronger.
I have no place for hate nor prejudice in my heart, I do despise Leeds for obvious reasons however I enjoy a bit of banter with Pool or shitty fans……
RiP The BABES
RiP George Best
RiP Gary Speed
@king eric they did man they went on about the gomes carrick incident 3 FUCKING YEARS AGO! it was mind numbing irritance they then had the nerve to say “that was the only reason united won th etitle that season!!! i fucking lost it at that point!
hahaha sheep head woolnough classic! !!
Graham Poll reckons Mike Jones will not step on the Old Trafford turf for a considerably long time, possibly several seasons. He writes in the DailyMail,
“Football incidents seem trivial by comparison with the news of Speed’s death but the extraordinary events in the 64th minute at Old Trafford require some sort of explanation.Rio Ferdinand clearly played the ball out for a corner to Newcastle which referee Mike Jones saw and correctly awarded. Assistant referee, John Flynn, then flagged and advised Jones that Ferdinand’s challenge on Hatem Ben Arfa was in fact a foul and that Newcastle should be awarded a penalty kick.
Referees usually advise their assistants that when they have a clear view of an incident and adjudicate on it then the assistant should leave the incident to them – the senior match official. When they are unsure or unsighted then they look at the assistant to see if they can help. Jones must have been certain to have awarded the corner immediately the ball went out. And of course he was correct.
The way the ball changed direction helped verify his decision and he should have simply over-ruled Flynn. The fact that he did not should lead to his absence from a Premier League game just as Andre Marriner missed this weekend’s games after allowing Blackburn’s second goal last weekend. As for Flynn, I would expect a longer absence and he should not expect to return to Old Trafford for many a season.”
And they say Flynn was a RAF sergeant, wonder how many innocent Seagulls he flagged down
‘So many loved you, did you know… We were not ready to let you go, the stars in heaven are only meant, a gift from God that’s why they are sent, we won’t forget our Belfast Boy, he filled our lives with so much joy. Your star will shine now in the sky, farewell our friend but not goodbye’
How sick do you have to be to mock the dead? What sort of a world do we live in?
Just read the article for the third time and I feel so much anger
FUCK WBA!!!
FUCK Leeds
FUCK Bolton!!!
FUCK the fuckin’ Liverpool!!!
Our history makes us strong your hate makes us stronger!!
We’re United!!!
We’ll NEVER die!!!
RIP Busby Babes
loves you all forever…
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Forgot to say, THANK YOU Sir Giles for this brilliant article…
excellent write up sir Giles . . thank you . .
i used to use the term man u but when i came to know about the fact that the local fans were irritated by the use of the term , i did a short research on it and its been 5-6 years and i have never referred the club i love as man u . . its united or man united . . i just couldn’t be an ignorant bastard to persist with the term . . i have been explaining to a few united fans i know about why we ,united fans outside england should not refer to united as man u. . its not that you don’t love the club but you don’t continue with something thats inclined towards ‘wrong’ more than right . .
i find it astounding that when i say people to use united they think its because the terms man u and manure sound similar but i have to explain them the reason about the Munich chants to convince them . .
as it goes whoever even if god almighty himself says that its not wrong to use the term . . i ll never ever use it . . not that i am afraid of being slagged off by some but i personally think its wrong to use the term man u when you know why we should not use it.
not a born and bred red . . but a red devil by choice and ll be one for life . .
when the die is cast , thrown at deep end with our backs against the walls ,we rise and keep coming back breaking every rule . . we are red devils the most feared ,most hated club
we are not just a club or a bunch of humans we are a family ,a religion ,a much celebrated tradition .
we are UNITED.
Ladies and Gentlemen
The esteemed and distinguished much loved Professor Cedars Devil
I could just imagine the next lecture:
The Leeds Protocol
Where is Cedars mentioned in the above please? Cannot see it. Cheers.
King Eric
First Paragraph under the heading ‘Marketing Man U – ‘the oil-well’
4th line
gaz – God how predictable mate. I KNEW they would bring up that Carrick pen against Spurs. Forgive me if I am wrong but didnt we go onto to score another FOUR goals that game!!! Boring cunts mate bringing up the same old shite. Like you say it was THREE YEARS ago!! Who was on the show?
I was also in a quandary about whether or not to use the term “Man U” until Gary Neville did his post retirement tour of South East Asia and used the term freely in about every other interview he gave during that period of his tour..
If he doesn’t seem to be bothered by it then I’m sure ain’t about to stress too much about it. Language is as much about syntax as it is about context. And the meaning and inference of language always changes and fluctuates over time.
MG – Oh yeah. Cheers mate!!! I am clearly blind.
Talking of Gary Nev just reading his book and no fucking wonder the spirit isnt what it was. He said when he was an apprentice if they fucked up they had to stand naked and have the full United kit drawn on them with an iron brush and dubbin. Also had to lay on the treatment table while balls were kicked at their heads!! Whats the punishment for slacking these days? Their playstations or silly headphones getting confiscated? No wonder players like Nev , Robbo and Keano spilt blood on the pitch. Too fucking pampered nowadays.
King Eric
Your welcome – though I hope your not blind
On the Man U debate and as previously mentioned on the first part of this I will always write Manchester United
Failing that it’s United
Then the Reds or to be more appropriate the Red Devils
And for the Man U generation it is quite simply
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Now wasn’t that easy?
I blame Beats by Dr. Dre headphones
Clearly that culture has become more pampered than anything seen before
(Stereotyping Prejudice and discrimination against a certain group in this instance footballers. Disclaimer I am neither just showing you what I’m learning in college at this age)
Ladies and Gentlemen:
The esteemed scientist Dr. Cedars Devil
His next presentation:
The Aping of the sheep species in Leeds
Slow day today
@King Eric there was sheep head woolnough, Shaun Custis although him being a geordie fan was actually very fair in his take on it, the biggest cunt was lipton i cant remember the other fucker who was ons name.lipton was spitting venom the prick he was the one doing the worst of it also went on about how we “got” 2 offside goals v chelshit this year and some peno that Ronaldo won against Bolton years ago that fucker had all that shit ready to dig his claws in never mentioned all the shit decisions we have been given against chelshit through the years or the free kick we should have got when Birmingham equalised at st andrews last year i could go on but their one way self ponticiating is horrible. lipton is a fucking shit eating basterd.!
Giles comes up with this priceless gems at just the right time. Oh so fantastic. @MG “Man U generation” just shuddered reading that.
Great read from Mr Oakley. Goes directly to the center of why Manu is nor acceptable from media sources. Didn’t comment a couple days back when this was discussed because thought the background needed was too great. But here you see that groups of opposing fans have taken a commonly used truncation in the press and used it in a way that, for me, goes beyond taking the piss. Basically, media use ManU as a truncation to save space. After Munich, this has become problematical because of morons like at WestBrom who sought to denigrate the memories of the dead. I think the media pundits know this is no longer acceptable for large amounts of print and broadcast services. Not inherently anti-life, but made to be so by 50 years of post Munich bile.
In other news: Lee Probert has been appointed referee for Aston Villa v Manchester United on 3/12/11. Not a bad ref in anyway but does give out loads of yellow cards. Booked Chicharito for diving on one occasion.
slim
Tell me about it – so of course I’ve devised an even better shortcut which is easier to say and txt
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http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2011/Nov/sir-alex-ferguson-explains-when-to-hand-out-debuts.aspx
Music to my ears. Mr Edwards would have been proud
“There are United fans who’d love to take the club back to the kind of down-to-earth institution it used to be, rooted in the working class communities of Stretford and Salford”
……and Manchester??
RedHound Cheers. Good read from Graham Poll. Which is a rarity for me. He often comes out as being anti United because he often sides with Refs v Fergie. Am actually astounded that he didn’t call SAF to task for his post match comments. However, I personally believe that on this occasion Sir Alex got his tone and words spot on. He was critical of the ref but did not suggest bias. He was also right.
Here is a link to the Mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2067000/Graham-Poll-Mike-Jones-expect-return-Old-Trafford.html
King eric’s gonna like this
Peterborough’s director of football Barry Fry has praised Ryan Tunnicliffe and reiterated the Championship club’s desire to extend the United midfielder’s loan spell at London Road. “One day, I can definitely see him getting into the first-team at United, but remember that he is still only 18 at the minute and he’s still learning the game,” Fry told skysports.com. “When he does come on from the bench, he always makes an impact and helps change the game for sure. I think that he has got one hell of a future in front of him because he is very strong, aggressive in winning the ball and goes from box-to-box all game and there aren’t many of those around in the game at the moment. Hopefully Darren can persuade the boy and Manchester United to keep him here till the end of the season and, if that is the case, it will be a great signing for us. When we took him, Sir Alex did say that he only wanted him out until January, so we will have to just cross our fingers and hope he changes his mind on that one.”
Thank you Sir. You have enlightened me.
Personally I wouldn’t type it, would refrain from using it and would subtlely correct whoever uses it, but it doesn’t mean that the term itself, in the everyday usage of most around the world, is being derogatory/disrespectful or out to make fun of a disaster.
A word/name can only be as insulting as one wants it to be really.
Sir Giles, thank you.
Thank you Mr Oakley… another good read….
Sir Giles Oakely,
That is incredible amount of reserach work,
i know the things we love dont strain us much, but to come up with such a chronological and imapcting reserach on the patehtic word and song is just unbelievable,
we Take a bow Sir,
Good work, much much appreciated and we all are lucky be one amongst such classic and clean blogger.
Thank you
Good Evening lovely Red Devils around the world, gearing up fro Crystal palace, still 2 days to go
1878 HELLO!!!
Thanks for kind comments but please folks don’t use my words to inflame hatred against rival fans. Of course people chanting ‘Munich ‘ songs are beneath contempt, especially in front of crash survivors like Sir Bobby Charlton, but that doesn’t mean all supporters subscribe to such nonsense or join in. I don’t want a hate campaign against WBA, Burnley or Bolton fans off the back of my bit of history re-telling.Nor do I think the term Man U is beyond the pale because of the Duncan Edwards song (which as far as I know never lasted long at WBA or anywhere else), I was only trying to help explain the background.
IN all crowds there are people who let the side down, United fans not excepted. There was a United supporter just behind me at Old Trafford on Saturday who called a Newcastle player ‘ you black bastard!’ That to me is unacceptable so I said, ‘Oi, we don’t want racist comments like that here!’ I was pleased that everyone around me seemed to agree and to the man’s credit he immediately apologised profusely and we all got on with the game.
To sum up, although I personally never say Man U, there’s no reason why the millions of others round the world who have happily used the term for years should stop.
Cedars,
The “estemeed supporter” term is worth you throwing a big party for we fellow ROM Red Devils, chaired by Sir Giles of course
and wait for Fred to take you on a banter ride, i wont be suprised if TonyBee and Costas get involved
and mind you, stop getting confused with the age of King Eric, you have gone to an extent of confusing the King Eric himself
Kidding buddies
Only got a headache from reading that quasi drivel by someone who is easily affected by banter and hate from ABU’s. He must be eating indigestion pills on a daily basis in this day and age when we’re more hated than ever before.
I just wanna know how anyone can say anything other than Man United for short cause the option is just for the really lazy and this issue is blown out of all proportion and we as United fans must start to take things less seriously or else the little fun left in the game will be buried for good.
University only produced touchy people like this Giles Oakley who has the gaul to tell people what they should say or not say when in fact no-one cares or gives a flying fuck. What is easy to see from this sickening little dive into non existant “facts” is that those who wanted to upset people like Giles Oakley (I see him in a oil jacket hunting foxes) succeded in doing so but they never got to me cause i skipped university and worked for a living and as we all know uni is a place that is a protected place for the less fortunate in life.
Hello Zibbie,
how are you mate? hows your fishing going on? cruise on the cards eh?
Hello Sir Giles,
no you need not worry about we misusing this fantastic write up,
as you are aware, ROM Red Devils are level headed and we do not take all the rival fans in the same bracket..
but when they mean it real, there you go, we will be right there battling against those pathetic fans…
Moses
Lol, what in heaven are you talking about. Substance abuse surely .
Instead of Giles Oakley choose Paddy Crerand live now here:
http://yycast.com/80110xmut
Pretentious is the word I was searching for. If Okaley was a band he’d be Coldplay.
I’m going to the Cedars party
Count me in
Hahaha someone wrote in calling Paddy a “bar stool bore”. I thought that was me on here.
LOL
Scary when you hear people refer to Basel as Baal cause exorcism is the last thing we need at the club now methinks.
We need a chatroom on here.
football365 has a few funny look-a-likes
football365.com/lookalikes/7256643
football365.com/lookalikes/7309391
fucking cruel mind, lol.
I don’t quite know what I’ve done to offend Moses, putting him into such a fury he can apparently neither read nor write accurately. I explicitly said was NOT telling anyone what to say. All I was doing was trying to explain the history of why people get het up with the term Man U. If he can show me where I’ve gone wrong , please let me know. Moses accuses me of putting forward ‘non existant (sic) ” facts” ‘: well, I challenge him – or anyone else – to point them out.
God only knows where Moses gets the idea that I go hunting, although what relevance that might have to anything I can’t really say.
I write things on theis site for the interest and entertainment of fellow United supporters. I’m sorry Moses is so offended by what I write, provoking his torrent of badly spelt personal abuse. In future if you get so worked up by reading something , Moses, I suggest you keep taking your Tablets.
Thanks Goat cause this place needs a few laughs instead of death threats and wind up merchants like that fooking Giles Oakley. Oakley reminds me of a Leicester player and it is a half posh name so no working class there and obviously born with a silver spoon in mouth.
Political correct bastards is the biggest threat to society as we know it. He can shove soccer and man u up his big fat arse.
Are you on here Giles, I had no fooking idea but there you go. I never thought people like you mixed with real people so that is news to me.
Giles, can you spell in swedish or speak it fluently?
Doubt you have the ability to speak more than your own language or write in something else than english.
Yes I am swedish and fooking proud of it.
Moses.
Most of them pronounce it Baal because of their sheep pen mentality.
off topic.
Hi all!!
Tom Cleverley Twitter: @tomclevz23
Webside: http://tomcleverley23.com/
Had it with this place and you lot cannot even admit that the EDL are full of United fans and I saw them on Coppers and I know they met Anders Behring Breivik the norwegian mass murderer. You should all wake up and realise all is not so rosy among the fans of manchester united and some of us do no agree with the local communist bastards that fly the flag for what you can say or think when the irish locals won’t even let some people drink in their pubs.
Reality is that Man United has the most diverse political views amongst it fans and I spit on the official views and lies that you sell at the megastore.
Love the shirts, hate the club and most of the fans!
Cricky Moses. Giles is a long time poster who is very widely loved on this site. He’s been going to United matches since the late 50s and knows a thing or two about the club and what it means to be a fan. What ever set you off, sure don’t see it myself. Give it a rest.
Moses
How the fuck dare you have a go at Giles, you fucking dumb sheep shagging inbred….. He is the most respected, most eloquent poster RoM has ever and will ever see….
However I am not eloquent by any means, you daft cunt….. Now fuck off
Fucking hell moses, why don’t you tell us a funny one then, so we can get a few laughs. You’re the one that needs to chill out. what the fuck’s crawled up your vagina?
Further more its Sir Giles to you you fucking cunt of all cunts…… This is blood boiling shit
moses
If thats you fucking off, i can heave a fucking sigh of relief. i mean is anyone reading this drivel
Phenomenal article once again, Sir Giles. Thank you for a thoroughly riveting and highly enlightening read.
Those newspapers letters before the ’58 cup final and the comments by the Labour MP were utterly outrageous and completely cretinous – and those vulgar boasts by Edward Freeman in 1999 are almost as repulsive in their own way.
This is surely the definitive article on the “Man U” debate and will serve as required reading for generations of Manchester United fans the world over.
someone in the press needs to ask SAF “Why is Berba playing 10 minutes per month?”
I don’t get it, Welbecks not fit, Rooneys off form and not scoring or passing excellently, Chico is only useful in the box and Owens broken his hip or toe, or knee or thigh.
Berba has busted a gut against Carling Cup teams and Benfica, If he’s not going to be used as a sub, sell the guy or play him 1st team. Berba is a world class magician, his talents are being wasted because we try and meet the needs of Rooney.
Chico doesn;t score much at home, so play Berba at OT sometimes,
Welbeck can play wings, its not as if Young & Nani have impressed recently.
Give Park regular games !
I know its a long season, but I feel sorry for Berba,Park,Valencia &Lindy….they need to be played more often.
@ soren Good man TomCleverley. Couple of very interesting things about Tom
1. The has over 47000 followers, but only 22 posts. some serious marketing there. Been going up by about 1000 followers an hour. Power of United, eh?!
Marketing you say, Yah mate, our Toms got it. His da been made partner over at RMA and they now have Tom and Danny. Both have really gone ape with the marketing angle. Check em out!
http://www.kmallp.com/clients
Moses
You’re out of order a fucking class A wind up merchant that befits a certain type of immoral vaccum that is quite apparent in todays lost world of cluelessness.
Who gives a fucking shit if one cannot spell or speak Swedish – if you can Bravo –
People are here to inspire one another – if you want a laugh I suggest you fuck off and go shit yourself in the according dump.
It’s people like you I love to detest – you claim to be a United fan yet you do not understand that very essence the very being of being a Manchester United fan.
Do you know I’ve let it go for a while just letting you get on with it and letting everyone put you in your place
But you just had to fucking go somewhere you shouldn’t have gone.
Shame on you for your disgraceful behaviour – a reminder that not all humans strive hard to attain just a basic standard of respect and common acknowledgment amongst one another.
This isn’t no motherfucker police state and I am no Saint at all – however I would regard that I possess certain values that you could never coordinate into a jigsaw
Unfortunately for you your pieces are just fucking lost
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After once admitting he is a Leeds fan he has never once denied it, Moses is a sheep shagging white of the highest order…… Not a United fan by any means, its shocking that some here give him the time of day and respond to his posts and debate with him…. He is a WUM
Fucking cunt
MOses, I assume you are the Swede, – or maybe the turnip – who claimed I’d got my history wrong a few months back in my piece on the word Soccer. I seem to remember you proudly defendied Holocaust denial that time round, which I suppose makes you the king of hilarious banter.Anyway, beyond abusive bluster and reverse snobbery , I await your corrections of the facts on Man U.
Meanwhile, if others dislike the kind of thing I write, let me know, and I’ll quit. Anything to make Moses’ life a little more bearable.
FletchTHEMAN
soren is a female my good friend, a gorgeous one at that and she is from Mexico…..
Do people actually read posts here?
Great Read Gilesy !
I had to take a few toilet breaks but my small brain finally got through to the end.
I prefer to say United or Man United, Man.U doesn’t piss me off but its always either said as an insult like “U Dumb ManYoo fans” or Lazily as ” Man U is the best” by some of the kids I heard saying it around the 90′s when I was a teenager/kid.
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Apologies for not acknowledging this great post by Giles earlier…..Its a Fucking Long Read for a Clit like me.
rohan – Nice one mate. Cannot praise Ryan Tunnicliffe enough.
King Eric – maybe I’m a prude but I found all the banter and hazing that Neville describes a bit disturbing tbh. Most of it seemed to have a sexual element… very odd! Not my cup of tea mate.
Giles
My dear old friend, he is way beneath you to make an effort and respond, just leave him to me, I have all the time on my hands……
Moses – You fucking disrespectful cunt. Giles is a proper gentleman and his knowledge of United is unbelievable. You fucking scum bag.
Further:
Moses: “Love the shirts, hate the club and most of the fans!”
You fucking ungrateful dumb bastard
The shirt is the club you fucking brain dead Ass
Hating the fans only proves your a wind up merchant and not a United fan
Cedras had you sussed easy – you’ve been trying it on for whatever sick reason your comment finally proves you are not a United fan
Now fuck off from Manchester United and take your fucking chronic schizophrenia with you.
Cedars. What you on about? “Good man Tom Cleverley”? Tom is a man last I checked. Cricky we have the syntax police as well
@Mr Oakley
Top draw article once again. And please, don’t waste a second of your life to acknowledge wind up merchants. You know how the majority of this place feels about you. You are our Fergie.
Fred – Ha ha. Yeah I know exactly what you mean pal. It was a bit weird to be fair.
FletchTHEMAN
Hahaha, at the start of your post you addressed soren then it read ‘good man’! Misread it I suppose!
sorry
Costas
Well said….. Despicable cunt having a go at our legend, fucking boils my blood
Second Costas.
Giles
You do not have to go anywhere, as someone who is trying struggling to get into the writing game your pieces are of great inspiration to me personally, just stay sitting where you are.
We can deal with Moses.
King Eric – whatever it was, it did the trick tbf. Our players were certainly no fairies when they got on the pitch! At least our lads left the homoerotic behaviour in the changing room, unlike some teams I could mention!
@Fletchtheman, Thanks for the link. Yeah Power of United!!
@CedarsDevil I’m glad you like the video
Say if Our whole Team was fit….what would be the starting XI?
Every team has one, maybe its why we have had a slow few weeks recently, no regulars.
I would say based on form of the last few months It would be;
De Gea,Jones,Smalling,Vida,Evra,Nani,Carrick,Clevs,Park,Rooney,Welbeck.
How about you guys? Eager to see who many consider to be in our best XI.
Never did I think I would leave out Giggs,Rio,Chico,Valencia at this point last year.
Moses
Some here were still giving you the benefit of the doubt, however as my good friend MG said I had you sussed out from day 1….. Now you have blown away all your covers and shown your true colors, you hateful Munich chanting disrespectful cunt…..
soren
Not only did I like it, I saved it, watched it numerous times and every time it still brings a tear to my eye……..
You are an angel
Mr Giles Oakley!
Just a great man read, man?
Cedars will be getting a big head, with that mention?
Forget Moses Sir. He’s quite clearly a wum. If you rise to it, he’ll keep coming back.
He ain’t worth the shite on your shoe. Sir Giles Oakley > Moses(WUM)
Cedars I typo’d your name above – sorry Cedars!
Sir Giles has once again given us a great insight on our club’s history, he was also such a gentleman to come out and say that he does not promote hate between rival fans, how can you not but respect and love such a man……
I on the other hand cannot but despise and loath people like Moses, he sickens me
Giles – what a great read very informative
Moses-fucking dickhead,sorry i’m not as articulate as giles
Cedars,
me and MG at least waiting for your party announce, otherwise you wont be featuring in any of Sir’s posts again
Moses,
Cunt of the highest order, u even beat CLL Terry, get lost you twat WUM..
what else a sheep fan can do than hating us..
its fans like who bring shame on your own fans even…
Cedars again,
i m suprised Fred hasnt had a go at you yet
and by the way your comment ” do people reslly read here”
Poor FletchTHEMAN has memory relapse and not everyone has a memory like you here in ROM, may be the pills doing the trick eh?
and more over, you never leave any of us to have a conversation with the mexican beauty
we gonna beat you buddy, get ready
Helloo King Eric,
howdy? hope smooth and flair as Manchester United..
Convey our regards to Kings as well, it would be better if he pays a visit here, its due long time
Good night lovely Red Devils around the world…
MG – I noticed it my friend, not to worry, I am the king of typos! hahaha
Willie – If my head was any bigger it would explode! hahaha Where have you been good friend?
What a fantastic read. Thank you Giles.
I was always supprised West Brom fans started such a vile chant, in that day you always view that Generation as Gentlemen and people with strong morals. Those fans who started it would be well into their 60s and 70s and no doubt feeling none too proud of themselves. I always thought it started in the 70s when football saw masses of hooliganism and brawling and fans grew to really hate each other and dispise each others clubs. Manchester and Liverpool have been rivals since, as I am aware, the building of the ship canal bringing overseas cargo right into Manchester bypassing the need to pay the costs to the Liverpool dock companys. (The Hollies are better than the Beatles so ner
)
I could always see why Shitty fans could feel bitter by our success however the constant mocking of the Air Crash always remove any understanding of their situation and my view on them is disgust.
My mate is a blue, always has been while the rest of us were and still are Reds. He has never once mocked the aircrash and he never would. He is always exempt from any of my ‘Vile Vermin’ tagging of their fans. Other Blue fans I know use the term ‘Man ure’ but I like to think thay are in no way refering to the aircrash and are oblivious to the terms origin.
As for Liverpool fans calling us Munichs I can’t grasp it especially after they lost 96 fans tragically. You’d think they would realise the loss and pain felt by the friends, families and fans of the Babes.
I remember the early to mid 90′s when Oldham fans (Friends of mine) would say ‘I hate United’ never Man U or Man ure. I would regulary attend their club fans functions at Boundry Park and met various Oldham players including Manager Joe Royal. All their fans were lovely people and so friendly even though I was a Utd fan they would just roll their eyes and shake their heads. On 1 occaision a big fat fucker Oldham fan saw my Utd members badge and decided in his clever wisdom to call me Munich. He was quickly reprimanded by Oldham fans and called sick. He thought it was funny but by the look of him his brain cell was used up after his clever sick remark.
This is my early memory of Utd becoming a figure of Hatred and when rivals started to say We hate Utd.
England fans sang ‘Stand up if you hate Man U’ and blamed every cup exit on any Man Utd player they could including the vile treatment of David Beckham yet the Hypocrites soon changed their tune.
I now comment on Leeds fans. They really are the nastiest vile ugly inbread neanderthal thugs anyone could ever meet. The rivalry goes right back to the Wars of the Roses between the counties. But its beyond me how some Human beings could be filled with so much blinkered hatered and Bitterness. I have had my own dealings wth these fans as many a Utd fan has also. It doesn’t supprise me one bit that they will always sing about Munich for years and years to come. Theres definately something in their drinking water that attacks the rational and sympathetic side of their brain. Vile to the core.
U>N>I>T>E>D
19 soon to be 20
Posting from my IPod so will be short and sweet. Amazing as always, Sir Giles. Always look forward to reading your articles even if it makes my eyes hurt reading on my iPod, as I had to do with this & Part I. Absolutely sick that people had issues w/ United receiving “publicity”. Reading things like that always makes me wonder, why shouldn’t us United fans have chips on our shoulders? The world hates us and they can fuck off. Man U or United, True Reds are not only those who go to the terraces each week and are lucky enough to be born only a few minutes from the Theatre of Dreams, but also those who stay up till 5 am to watch their beloved Reds play, through hell or high-water or shitty Internet streams. True Reds are everyone who’ll support the Red Devils whether they lose the Champions League to Real or Barca, the league to Chelsea, Arsenal, City or Liverpool or even when they get relegated & when they’re winning trophies galore. We’ll keep the Red Flag Flying High, ‘Cause Man United Will Never Die!!!
*just a great read, man*
I’m getting as bad as Mr Devil.
Hey guys, just logged on and seem to have missed all the fun!
EDL, Communists, Norwegian mass murderers and a fox hunting Giles Oakley.
Blimey.
On the plus side, it seems as if Moses is leading himself into the wilderness.
Rejoice!
Giles, yet another wonderful piece.
I think it’s clear how much you words are appreciated on here by the overwhelming majority, long may you continue.
Incidentally, when you’re fox hunting, do you take the silver spoon out of your mouth ‘cos it’s a bit awkward shouting “tally-ho” with it still in!
Cedars
You mean the Lord of the typos?
Sandeep1878
Too right mate
I’m on for a Lebanese do any time – 
Sir Giles, people come here with disorders and say how stupid we all are and they have the problem. They say shit like I will never return. Only if that were true. Speed brings to light. Depression is an illness that can be treated. So many examples here. Then some bitches just need to be slapped till they bleed. And that can not be done here, so they grow dinosaur balls. Some sick fuck went off on Cedars 3 weeks ago. And he trolls the thread he cursed after calling all of us dumb fucking cunts and he would never return. No such luck.
Be nice if we could ignore wind up merchants. Some do require a response.
Off topic completely, but on the topic of “leaving one speechless”
SPOTY nominees lack footballers, any women, and mostly contain several names you wouldn’t be able to place outside the back pages. Was hoping Phil Jones would get a nod….. kidding? ……no not really!
From the Beeb: The shortlist (in alphabetical order) is: Mark Cavendish (cycling), Darren Clarke (golf), Alastair Cook (cricket), Luke Donald (golf), Mo Farah (athletics), Dai Greene (athletics), Amir Khan (boxing), Rory McIlroy (golf), Andy Murray (tennis), Andrew Strauss (cricket).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/sports_personality/15920702.stm
James21 – Bloody hell, what a great post and indeed Leeds fans are simply the scum of the earth
Jellybean – Where on earth have you been? For God’s sake come back and post more often, I have missed you
Cedars – Been busy pal. Don’t let that spanner wind you up.
@Jellybean
Hey up mate? Posting off the Ipod lol.
@MG, Cedars
And then we are called bully boys for taking exception at someone insulting someone like Giles. Just wait and see how his response will be the martyr’s drivel about how he’s getting attacked for no reason.
If you don’t get Giles, you don’t get ROM.
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Whats this about me throwing a party? hahaha
You guys are always welcome, well most of you
Costas
I’m waiting for the oncoming tide lol
Alas my good friend I don’t care and as you know and as I know you we’ll be here through every thick result and every thin result carrying United on
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MG,
Indeed mate, we are in for Lebanese
Costas,
who taught you these smileys
long back i remember TonyBee (i guess) taking some smiley classes
Good night folks,
ROM – First thing tmrw morning..
Costas
If you do not get Giles then you do not get United buddy
The Bean!
Wolfie
and the great Tree.
Kababs
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Fletch
21 winner winner chicken dinner
and more!!!!
GO UNITED!!!!
BEAT PALACES ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just 5 points back!!!!!
Moses, you fucking cunt. How dare you misbehave with Sir Giles?
You’re the one who’s a pretentious prick with all this surface masochism of “Oh, look at me, I work so hard!”
Maybe you should’ve continued with the uni to educate yourself a bit more so you’d learn how to converse with a proper gentleman like Sir Giles.
Now fuck off to the crap hole where you came from.
Sir Giles – please ignore this chump. He’s so not worth your attention.
Willie
Cant help it my friend, besides, I have all the time in the world
If I had a jet, I would pick you all up and go to Cedars for like 37 pints!!! And Lebanese Green!!!!!
Thanks all round for the 5-man defensive midfield protecting me from Moses the Holocaust Denier, and general all-round good wishes ( especially Jellybean from your IPod) which really do mean a lot to me at my very advanced age…(Scott called me an ‘old fucker’ on his Tweet last week! lol) I must say the idea of a big United party would be wonderful. I always wonder what you all look like and whether it fits my image of you. No offence lads, but I’d guess Jellybean will look better than the rest of you put together.
supertramp
Well said!
Cedars the time thing when your sick is ruff to fill.
@James21 Very good read. Interesting that you put it to the roses divide. I’ve been saying that for years, but others put me down for it. Don’t know really, but it does seem to go back a bit. Think it really did all kick off with Leeds with the 65 semi final and then when we started buying their players and going on to win things with them……..Jordan, McQueen and Cantona.
Thanks for sharing.
@MG
I am not worried about the thick results mate. It’s the thick fans that pop up here after bad results that concern me.
@Sandeep
Heh, it’s like a new language nowdays. You socialize over the internet long enough and you are bound to learn them.
@Cedars
So true mate.
Giles, I’m a better looking Fred Flintstone.
Giles
I am sure Jellybean looks better than all of us combined! hahahaha Nice to see you still ‘have it’ old man…..
Frigging love you
Cedars.
We agree on Leeds fans as always. I do feel like a bully now though.
I was reading Sir Giles’ post with so much awe. Its amazing how he writes his articles and you always need to read them more than once. Totally gripping aticle.
Sandeep Memory relapse?
CedarDevil I bush :$
@Sandeep1878 You’re funny
Zibbie – Fresh from my back yard buddy! Come on down
Another captivating piece from Giles. I am amazed to learn that level of callousness existed in supporters over 50 years ago – I thought that sick chants were a relatively recent phenomenon.
On the question of the acceptability of the term Man U, whilst Ive never used it, I don’t really get offended by it either. And like Giles I wouldn’t ever make a supporter (typically overseas) feel inferior for ever using it. I spend a reasonable amount of time working in the States, and in particular in NYC where I am again next week, and where almost every footy fan uses it. I totally blame Fox Soccer Chanel
Thanks again for another great read.
Well it is only 2:20, but BBL!
soren – You bush my love? Do you mean blush? hahahaha te quiero
oh boy, Tom C’s twitterverse is up and running? Lets hope we get some proper use of it
Cedars @ 20:03, Spot on, I was typing the exact same thing when I just happened to see your post: “If you don’t get Giles, you don’t get United.” Simple as. I already said this in one of his previous articles, if 40 years from now, I have the same passion for United and football as he does, I will be grateful (I am pretty sure my memory will not be as strong as his, I have a hard time remembering our score against Chelsea this season.) For me, he is the benchmark for how every Manchester United fan should conduct himself.
On that note, I actually haven’t read the articles. I am about half way through the first, been a bit busy. Planning to take a day off from work just to read them. Seriously, they are fucking humongous and I love that, just need a nice length of time to read it in one piece and that hasn’t happened for the past week unfortunately.
James21
Hahahaha, you bully, just make sure you do not hurt the feelings of that cunting hateful Munich chanting Leeds sum bag that is Moses
Jelly got the RoM all excited! The lady is spoken for, though.
Horny buggers! 
Very informative and revealing, this article is well worth saving, and re-reading.
Thank you Giles Oakley, for your research and efforts on our behalf.
True to your word, you comprehensively answered our questions on this touchy subject.
Moses’ vain attempt to part the Red Sea is the action of a basket-case. He is the plague, and I cannot understand why any one on RoM supports this hostile undesirable. He occilates between malevolence and flattery, to deceive and dismay.
Scott the Red – Please sir, expedite Moses’ exodus to the forgotten land.
ha ha Oops blush llllllllll lo siento
i am not a regular contributor to ROM but thought giles oakleys article was a fascinating read. its why i love my club and have done for the last 35 years……pricks like moses should just fuck off.i’ve still got “MUNICH” in my sky plus planner but cant bring myself to watch it…..breaks my fuckin heart whenever the aircrash is mentioned.saw harry greggs documentary when he returned to munich and belgrade with tears streaming down my eyes….so emotional.cheers giles a fantastic piece…..
Never be sorry to me my red loving angel soren.! I am the king of making typos my love
@slim
At least he wasn’t kicked out of twitter by a bunch of idiots, like a certain other United midfielder was a few months back.
I’ve just put Chris and Snoop on Moses. They gonna rest his soul in the vacants!
Willie
Spoken for who exactly ? You horny NI great United loving friend
Cedars – Ha ha.
‘I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase. It’s all in the game though, right?’
I’ve just started reading some of the comments then low and behold Moses.
What a disrespectful shit he really is. He’s the only fucker on here that jibed at the Death of Gary Speed yesterday.
He slags Our fans off yet he claims to be a Utd fan.
He sits there on his lonesome so twisted you could put him an a fairground and use him as a Helter skelter.
He has made comments about how he’s non pc and speaks his mind but when you say anything against him you get called a bully. Not speaking YOUR mind.
Cedars
You did sus him. I said I was unsure what to make of him. I’m now thinking that this guy walks round in Jack Boots.
Costas
ah well, you can’t win em all. That “certain” footballer didn’t deserve it but should have know better. Maybe its the cynic in me but there you go. Time will tell with Tom C , i can’t help chuckling as to how messed it it could all get.(why i find that remotely funny, i don’t know)Wishing the best for him.
GO ON DAVID!
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/989650/david-beckham:-mn-city-have-?&cc=5901
CITTAY HAVE NO CHANCE!
‘A documentary on the impact the 1958 Munich Air Disaster had on the Manchester United supporters and the legacy the Busby Babes that were tragically killed that day left behind. This film was submitted as a final year university film for AV3010 at the University of Central Lancashire in December 2011′
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eydOhRXhjo0
12 minutes
Na James. He’s just a cocksucker. Lol.
@Slim
Well it won’t take a lot for some fickle fans to turn on him, that’s for sure. Now that he has a twitter account at least we can find out when he’ll return from the horse’s mouth.
@willie
That was a hanging offence in the Wehrmacht.
Giles your amazing memory for detail never fails to amaze me. You have razor sharp recollections and anecdotes from so so long ago, from way before a lot of us were born. Amazing just amazing. Not to mention your passion towards football and United that motivates you to do the painstaking research
to enlighten us all a little more ( there’s the BBC man coming out). Never pay attention to anyone who dares insult you on here.
Jellybean – If you’re tweeting StR anytime……tell him the regulars would like a thread, or two in the near future.
If he ain’t busy, mind lol.
@James
Off topic. Just had to share.
Two women are walking home from a night out and desperate for the toilet so they decide to go into a cemetery they happen to be passing to do the business. They discover they have no toilet roll, when the first woman decides to take off her knickers, wipes herself with them and then promptly throws them away.The second woman doesn’t want to do this so she grabs a wreath from a nearby grave, wipes herself with it and then puts it back. A few days later their husbands are talking, when the husband of the first woman says, “I’m a little worried, I think my wife might be cheating on me. She came home the other night with no knickers on!”The second husband says, “You think thats bad? Mine came home with a card stuck up her arse saying ‘Love from all the lads at the fire station, we will never forget you!”
on a forum that scott knows really well,i have this idiot saying that man utd are successful for one reason,milking the munich air disaster!
argued to the death with him about it,he has a follower who totally agrees with him as well.
i am shocked,but i think they are just WUM.
fuck em both!
Moses…WHAT A COMPLETE AND UTTER CUNT
@Paddy
Its probably Moses. Those words are in Giles’ post above.
I never ever want to move house EVER again. Fucking brutal!!
Anyway , how is everyone. Great read from Sir Giles of Oakley. Cedars me old mucker getting a mention too!!
Great read as always sir giles.
As for Moses crawl back under what ever filthy rock u came from u in bred twat.
Nice one James,
I love House moving
MG
You can do mine next time, however, I’m hoping that will be a good few years away!
Jellybean, thanks for kind words. I knew full well that you were ‘spoken for’ so just let me repeat what I’ve said , whenever your lucky boyfriend doesn’t ‘treat you right’, let him know he’ll have to answer to me and one or two of the lads. We protect our own here at RoM!!!
I think Moses has schizophrenia!! His alter ego is surely a goat or do I have this wrong?
Off topic, there’s some repugnant shit doing the rounds about the reasoning behind Gary Speeds death. I hope his family are safeguarded from that filth.
Mikekelly – Had the same thought mate? You could be onto something there.
Willie
Gladly I’ve not heard anything but praise and respect for him and his family. I hope this continues. Listened to an emotional Howard Wilkinson this morning which was very moving.
Is it the Sweedish conection? There was another as well that Cedars used to bash called Swede, hmm might be onto something here.
MK12
Fair enough mate I’ll settle for a match at OT and I’ll do the house move!
MG
You’re on.
MK12
We’re on!
I wanna explain why I act the way I do.
I suffer from depression and have tried to off myself for a few weeks now. I get mad at just anything and internet rage is one of the things that triggers me. I assaulted a policeman the other week and is waiting for the trial but hope I dare to off myself before I have to turn up for the actual trial.
Sorry to all here although I know you won’t forgive me but I hope to end my life one of these days or in a few hours. Don’t hate scum like me cause I am not worth it.
Bye all and once again, sorry about my behaviour cause I am bang out of order and it is the depression doing this. You won’t see me on here again that is a promise.
Jellybean. Hey up love. Always enjoy your posts. I have a feeling Giles could well be correct when he states you are probably more pleasing on the eye than the lot of us put together. Especially seeing as though I am at present still sporting this frankly ludicrous tache for Movember. I look like a bad John Aldridge. Believe me that’s not a good thing. A good John Aldridge is bad enough! Anyway getting quite attached to it so may keep it.
I digress.
Smartalex. Always a pleasure reading your posts mate. Love your genius play on words.
I have a sneaky suspicion that shithouse cunt Moses is Megleeker/ captaink9/ yipyap. Whoever he is he is a most undesirable character.
Willie, heard some of that yesterday. Some lads saying that Telegraph was about to release a story on him. But nothing from the telegraph today. Just rumors for now.
Here is a pretty grippin’ link to from Bryn Law
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HVQoUpo9rX0
Desperately sad that he didn’t have someone to talk to.
GarySpeed 535 EPL appearances. Standing record only surpassed by David James and our own Ryan Giggs.
Fuck off Moses. You’re a boring bastard. Kudos on whacking the cop though. Some of them, do ask for it. By the way, did you dream this? Lol. Tallyho!
Weehaa I am back……
Moses bore off you fake ignorant cunt, you fool no one here
FletchTHEMAN – Heard the same. A lot rumors atm. I feel for his loved ones. I don’t know about anyone else, but something feels off about this. Fucking weird.
Sverige Demokraterna.
Is it something in Sweeden that depresses people. Goat told us the other day that he suffers from depression.
James21 / Mike
Cheers for the mentions fellas……. Oh and fuck Moses, the sheep shagging cunt
Moses. There is always hope and redemption for those that ask mate. Please get over to some friends place and don’t spend time alone. More importantly, get yourself to a clinic where someone can get you sorted out. Gary Speed is an example that desperation can grip anyone and even famous role models don’t always feel they have a way out.
I am a rock/glacier climber. We have an old saying in the climbing fraternity. The only good climber is an old climber. Not sure that is really the case, but I take it to mean that many wild and crazy people come along some burn out, some just never return. Get yourself sorted mate. Honestly.
@Fletch
Cheers for the reply earlier. Yes I’ve always been under the impression the rivalry between us stems from the Wars of the Roses.
Goat? another fucked up racist twisted hateful cunt…… Depressed or not I could not gave a fuck
Moses
You can fuck off from here and never come back
But don’t kill yourself God forbid do not do that go to fucking church and find God but don’t kill yourself no one here on in the ROM advocates such bullshit.
If you need your fucking head checked then put yourself in a position to check it out – don’t ask for a sympathy vote after acting like a fucking idiot.
We all suffer from some sort of depression – we all have issues or problems in our lives but through simple communication with one another we make our lives better – not easy but possible – you should just fucking grow up – you want help ask for it – your a fucking numpty barking shit for no apparent reason.
Do yourself a favour and find your way in life but leave the rest to those who care for it.
Seriously you’ve been rocking like a complete fucking lunatic then you do this today – you should try to come to terms with yourself and start bothering about changing yourself for the better.
Topping yourself is no way to find a solution. Get a fucking life.
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Expect Abraham to show up here soon.
Jimmy21 – Giles sussed that Moses is Swede at 19:12.
Costas
Hahahahaha
Didn’t realise that Goat is from Sweden. I guess Swede, Goat and Moses are all the same deranged person. Very sad really.
No don’t think Moses is Goat. Can’t see Goat doing that. Why would he?
Moses little piece about him being depressed is in my eyes a little dig at Speeds death. What a fucking idiot. Funny thing is at times he actually makes some valid points. God you have to wonder what sort of miscreants and freaks frequent blogs. Makes you feel a bit weird.
Cedars
Evening pal. Programme arrived yet? Question, should I start watching assault on precinct 13 or go to bed?!
The swede was a depressing prick. Talked the same as Moses. Do the math!
Fred
Goat claims he lives in Sweden but says he is English….. Most hateful and racist person I have ever come across
Monkey
Nothing arrived yet pal, will email or text you once it does….. Did you send it on a frigging donkey? hahahahahaha
Jame21 Cheers. Feels like leeds been into that Yorkshire dalefolk mentality if they can’t get over this. Very virulent. United has its share of Ultras but largely had to purge that in the 90′s due to risk of europe bans and us getting international players earlier than some. Possible that without our success, we would still have it. Feel that ‘pool hasn’t been quite as successful as we have. Everyone has their demons eh.
The goat I liked. Always brought a smile to my face. I think he pushes peoples buttons. On here, that’s tantamount to ABH!
———————— I love this Club, once a week I get really soppy….this is one of those days, Matt Busby is a inspiration to us all. So are the supporting cast who built this club from the ashes. We are blessed to have come out fiery and ever blazing out of such a tragic disaster, when most would understandably collapse in sorrow, this great club stood Tall and built a legacy,driven by the departed spirits for decades onwards to make us proud and honour their bravery. UNITED TILL I DIE.
@fred
Yes well spotted. I remember him getting pounded by Kings, KE and Cedars.
King Eric
No, Moses is not Goat, yet the Goat is as demented and fucked up as they come…. I have a strong stance on this
Mikey – The remake, or original?
Royal Mail mate….. Not quite as fast as a donkey! Ha ha! Mate, Sir Alex will be celebrating 30years by the time you get it!!
Monkey
Never mind Sir Alex celebrating 30 years, best hope I am still alive when it gets here! hahahaha
A funny Swede living temporarily in Manchester once told me that Swedes do suffer with the seasonal light disorder thing. I mentioned I’d met loads of Swedes in Spain and he explained that, ‘We Swedes leave College and move to Spain where it is sunny and everything is ok, then after a while, we run out of money and return to Sweden. We then marry, get a job, work for the rest of our lives and die”.
King Eric, your kind words are music to my ears, thank you!
Willie
It’s the remake with Lawrence fishburn.
BOFA
You deserve nothing less….. a true red to the core you are
Better have that package by the morning smartalex? Those Yellow tops are selling like hotcakes!
Fletch
They won the wars and so began centuries of inbreading in our Royal Families.
Mikekelly – Watchable mate. No more than that, I would say, though.
xol – “seasonal affective disorder”. Good point.
Started a blog, never gonna be as good as ROM (not yet haha), a few typo’s here and there but people, don’t be too harsh but give a feedback on what you think. Twf-samuel.blogspot.com
CedarsDevil, I blush redder than red! Good thing I’m wearing the away strip, or I’d not know where to pour the whisky.
WillieRedNut, organise a few WMD’s for Moses, destruction is him.
Speaking of new blogs, imagine one with Moses, Goat, swede, megleekfuck and captainkcunt…
What a joy
smartalex
You have no idea how much respect I have for you
Cedars
what about Parryhied. It’ll need a happy old soul like him to cheer all the depressives up.
Cedars
You missed my adversary the Muppet
Fake of course only one Kermit the frog
Don’t remember learning anything about the War of the Roses in my Lancashire School. Don’t think I’d even heard of it before seeing the White Rose on the M62. From what I’ve read since, it seemed to be, like James21 says, a Royal thing… with the houses of Lancaster and York having fisticuffs. As with all History, I lose interest very quickly when Royals are involved. Scotland – The Story Of A Nation by Magnus Magnusson is very informative on the subject. To be honest, I’ve never had a problem with Yorkshire folk. Too much in common. Many Leeds fans have a problem with United though.
Mikekelly12 – Good evening! Thank you for your welcome comment last night.
As it happens, I have both versions of Precinct 13. Those who watched the original in it’s heyday, will doubtless feel that nothing more has been achieved by the remake. Worth watching, but not enthralling.
Seasonal Wumness disorder.
James21
Hahaha well spotted, I am sure I have missed a few more sad twats, however those I mentioned are mere stars of the fact
Got to call it a night eyes are starting to look like Marty Feldmans. cheers for the laughs.
19
Sir Giles- absolutely top read once again, you definitely add value to this blog.
Every Utd fan should make it their business to get as immersed within the history of this club as possible. Someone like Patrice Evra, who came to play for us at the age of 25 did it….so there’s no excuse for the rest of us, many of whom started supporting Utd from a very young age, to do the same.
And articles like this are a big part in doing so, thumbs up!
James21
Nighty night pal….
Sparkz – Evening young fella
xol says: “Many Leeds fans have a problem with United though”.
Talk about stating the bleeding obvious.
xol
Was just about to comment about that ! And as ever you cracked me up!
James – Don’t worry mate. That’s what I call it as well lol. Night!
CedarsDevil
One day my friend, I will shake you by the hand, embrace that Lebanese tree-trunk, with its rough bark and gnarled boughs, and we shall drink whisky and smoke the world’s finest, intoxicated all the while from the heady opiate that is Manchester United.
Joy! My God! We live a glorious life as United faithful, simply wonderful.
smartalex
Would be an honor my friend and as ever you are such a genius with words….. Terrific stuff
Mikekelly. Evening pal. Give that shit remake a swerve. Its poor. The original was quality just because of that suspense music they looped over and over.
Fred Dibiase – cheers bud.
Giles – Thanks for your tremendous efforts on this. After reading the ‘Friends in the North’ section, I’m forming an opinion on why Liverpool also have a sizeable following in Scandinavia and it involves the words, “glory” and “hunter” !
Have to piss off to bed fellow reds…
RiP The BABES
RiP George Best
RiP Gary Speed
Good night all
Night Cedars, take care mate!
@Giles – thanks for the history lesson. I’ve been supporting this club for only over ten years, but I’ve done what I can to educate myself with the culture and history of the club, and articles like this just brings us closer to the roots…so thanks again for that.
Living in California, and hearing the ignorant pundits from FOX Soccer Channel, say Man U every second makes my teeth hurt, but at the end of the day, that’s what young reds and the rest of this huge country hear. So, you’re right….I’ll still say United, but you can say Man U
My policy? I will tell them once I know they are worthy of knowing
Since Scott dosen’t seem up for his View from the enemy lately, we have to go with Stretty News who has found a truely delusional fan to interview.
Giles, you might like to look at what this lad says about “the Cantona” incident at Selhurst Park. Seems hard done by.
http://strettynews.com/2011/11/a-view-from-the-enemy-crystal-palace-fan-on-recent-results-cantona-and-their-youth-setup/
Night all you Reds.
Five CANTONAAAAAAAASSS!
Crystal Meth Palace
Loving the Big Bang Theory for some reason? Not usually my thing, but I’m addicted;) Sheldon is the geeks, geek.
Night Reds.
PS. For those who missed it, the “enemy” interviewed in the above StettyNews piece turns out to be none other than the Mirrors Ed Malyon. Sums up why we never get a string of good articles in the Mirror. Bitter, deluded, full of themselves.
Hope we do em proper!
Come On u reds.
Now I’m off. Cheers
Anyone seen barton’s rant on the scousewives show? can’t help but agree with him even though he has a few screws loose himself.
. . . . . . . . . . . . way off topic . . .
Championship leaders Southampton go in search of a record-equalling 21st consecutive home win tonight.
Bill Shankly’s Liverpool in 1971-72 were the last side to win 21 in a row at home and Saints will match the achievement if they can beat Hull at St Mary’s tonight.
Saints last lost at home to Manchester United in the FA Cup in January and since then they have become invincible on home soil.
March on, Saints!
Also off topic but I’d just like to wish a happy 38th birthday to a mate of mine; Ryan Joseph Giggs.
Well done Giggsy! Go out and get yourself a nice piece of ass.
Happy birthday Ryan Giggs!
Keep it up lad, win another Champions League, and become a knighted 40 year old scoring in the Premiership. Only then may you go off to stud.
Will also keep ito short & report back later excellent piece will b printing it off. Just an idea next time opposition fans sing stand up if you hate Man U everyone should stand up as a sort of reverse psychology thing, probably b hard to do cos not everyone joins in when stand up for the champions.
The great man Duncan I saw as a small lad when we got into Maine Road for the last 15 minutes – buggered though which game – think it was 28 December 1957 Maine Road 2–2 First Division when we walked from CCH (Hough End) to the game and found it was a sell out – hung around until they opened the gates. All kids about 4 – 10 years old – half United / half City. My older brother a City fan left me in Moss Side and fucked off to the chippy with my dinner money – had to walk home
My Dad took me once to see them at OT (pre Munich) think v Arsenal but a long time past.
Became a regular about 1960 – back then as a kid simple as getting on a bus (or two) – think the 53 from Hume at Princess Road) down to OT. Sixpence to get in – maybe went to 9d about 1961.
Simpler times – great times. Bob Lord – fuck off
Happy birthday Ryan – God is with your George . Sadness at Gary Speeds passing.
UNITED 20/4/12 (and maybe The Carling Cup)
Just one last comment – wtf is the cunt Moses – Leeds ? – No Promised Land For You
You cheated in the 60′s / 70′s and now you are shit. Actually more shit than you ever were – remember Sunderland Cup Final.
UNITED 20/4/12 (and maybe The Carling Cup)
Great Read Sir.
I became United fan in 2002-2003 season. I was 11 year old then. My father is a football lover and I found my love for football because of united. Giggs, Scholes Beckham, Ruud van nistelrooy were the players that made me love this magnificent club. I Had no knowledge about the munich incident.
Here In India Only few would know anything about The Munich accident.
I always enjoyed watching united even thought they didn;t win that many trophies like they are doing now.
GREAT CLUB WITH GREAT HISTORY.
LONG LIVE UNITED.
RIP DUNCAN EDWARDS AND REST OF BUSBY BABES.
February will come the Munich tears for me – will say in my area of Manchester everybody cried – City fans included. Nobody was immune to it – all, who appreciated and understood football, saw the greatness of the team – even the Blues. Makes me sad to see how time has embittered and divided the City of Manchester. Was a time when people understood “the game” and the ability of a team and individual skill – makes me glad I left.
As for the rest of the country – who gives a fuck . They know – some admit – some do not. But they know!
Moses and Daniel LLP – go fuck off. You simply do not have the “quality or class”
UNITED 20/4/12 (and maybe The Carling Cup)
Happy Birthday Ryan Giggs,
still 38 year old youngster,
Giggs will tear you apart again
Good morning Red Devils..
Sir Alex,
“Ravel Morrison was in the squad for Wednesday’s game against Benfica.
“He’s a very, very talented boy, of course, and he’ll possibly be on the bench, at least, in midweek.”
Pablo Aimar is on a free transfer this January. Should SAF snap him up?
Found this by some Arsenal fan,
Andy Carroll – 652 minutes, 2 goals.
Fernando Torres – 529 minutes, 2 goals.
Thomas Vermaelen – 453 minutes, 2 goals. #FACT
ROFL
I think this was posted few months ago?
Tom Cleverly – from Boy to man part 1….13 mins video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-BtLQm431I&feature=related
Its awesome
Sorry, the above link of Cleverly is the latest one, check out…
I’m a big fan of studsup, and this one quality laughs…
http://www.studs-up.com/
Lovin’ United: I have long been a proponent of a transfer like Aimar. Costs less, isn’t around to hamper the growth of youth prospects, but in the meantime offers a tremendous learning opportunity for them. And of course, beefs up our midfield. But it’s not gonna happen – no resale value.
turns out Poll was right, the two refs have been banned for the weekend fixtures
RedHound,
this is just a cover up ur ass action by FA..
They initiate the mission and then they terminate their own agents, Rings bell of Jason Bourne
Jeet,
Hello Pal,
the likes of Aimar would be quality addition to our team and i dont think they will hinder the growth.,.
anyway carrying on,
December, i would expect some young mafic, Morrison and Pogba to play few games…
I just hope Tom C will be back with full fitness
Happy Birthday Sir Shaggsy.
Jeet,
He is on a free transfer next window.
Why shouldn’t we get him?
wowzers, that was long read but totally worth it! Hats off sir. didn’t know that that term gets to some but where am from it’s the norm.
No (resale) value
@sandeep1878
I still think that will do wonders Fergie in terms of the refs who come to OT from now on. They will be extra careful or so i think, it’ll be even better that Fergie hasnt been charged.
Why would resale value be anything if we could get him for free? Just like Michael Owen?
Propagandas are brewing now.
ABU fans have said that United have been given obvious favour by getting an extra day rest for their next carling cup game.
LOL
Sir Giles, i tip my hat to thee…
U sir, have spent more years following Utd as a religion than i have spent on the face of this planet. if nothing else, just for believing in the Utd way, i salute you. i have been following Utd for a measly 9-10 years now, and i cant seem to remember when the liking for Utd turned into a passionate love affair and then a full blown relationship that i will not sacrifice for anything. admittedly, the history and origins of Munich, Man U etc were lost on me till i read up over the years in a bid to understand the history of htis club and what it really means to be a Red Devil.
The likes of u, Cedars, MG, Willie and a few others bring an element of naked worship of Utd that so called impartial news updates and assorted articles just cant….
i have said it before and let me repeat ….thanks guys
RedHound,
thats a fair point mate, they will be extra careful..
dont know how FA dint charge Sir Alex this time
by the way,
When will be TC back from Dubai?
The Big Red
Many thanks for the mention
TBR – Cheers Big Red.
Just read back through some of the posts on this thread, read the article again too….
Seriously though, how fucking sick and demented is this fella Moses. The word cunt is widely used but he is everything that a proper cunt is all about, fucking twisted sick bag of pure shit….
Sorry for being too kind
Checking into a clinic in a few hours after I made a few phonecalls this morning. Thanks to those that expressed their support.
This was my final post ever here.
Thank fuck for that you twisted freak, trust me no one here has any sympathy for your likes you sick bastard
Furthermore, you’re not checking into anything you lying piece of trash
Surprising some taken moses for real. I doubt he is depressed. Comes across as an attention seeking clown. If you’re telling the truth(which I have my doubts) get help fella. Stay off this blog.
I have no idea if Moses/ Swede is depressed or suicidal. If he is, I hope he seeks help. If he isn’t he might still benefit from a bit of self-analysis, perhaps with professional help. He appears to be full of anger and resentment with a strong sense of grievance, particularly relating to social class and education. Why he chooses to lash out at people I don’t know, but I doubt if it makes him any happier. Nor do I understand his desire to belittle the Holocaust (his choice of the name Moses for his latest psuedonym is presumably intended as some sort of joke). He may be a Leeds fan, but I doubt if very many others would want to embrace him as one of their own. I hope Moses really does stop posting here in any of his different guises if he’s going to spread malevolence around. If he’s got something to say of any serious value, or even with any good humour, then welcome back. No-one is beyond redemption.
As for everyone else here, many thanks again for your kind comments.
Sir Giles
I salute you
Great pair or articles. As an American supporter of relatively recent vintage, I knew a lot of the history, but the level of detail here is fascinating. For what it’s worth, I don’t think I’ve ever said Man U. Sounds like a university to me, not a team.
As eloquent as ever Sir Giles. Well said. Now fuck off Moses you cunt!
King Eric
Is he not just as eloquent as they come? Fuck me, for some inbred to have a go at him sickened the shit out of me….
What a disrespectful cunt that Moses is….. Suffering from depression is he?
top notch article again Mr oakley, keep ‘em comin mate!!!! do not let any silly muppet keep away
from writing these great reads!
keep you away ! sorry about that! my silly computer!
But I like it here?
Please don’t be fooled by Sverige Demokraterna member Moses. Granted this guy is definately not right in the nogin to fly off the handle over Giles’ article. Any Utd fan would love to read this article and never blow up at Giles the way Moses did.
King Eric sussed him.
‘Moses little piece about him being depressed is in my eyes a little dig at Speeds death.’
If I’m wrong I’ll never know and can live quite happily. But Moses will return under another name, probably Adolphangryass. Sorry for being harsh but I just don’t trust the guy and I’m certain he’s playing us for Mugs.
The Big Red
Thank-you for the mention
As always I’m just as excited getting mentioned as Cedars
I think Willie will share the same sentiments!
I think he mugged himself off. As I said last night, he’s clearly a wum.
Giles,
Thank you, such a pleasure to read a very insightful article , and that Moses is suffering
from intellectual constipation, why doesn’t he go up to the mountain and take the tablets
and discharge his spiteful diarrhoea elsewhere.
I will admit that as a young boy growing up in Dublin the Munich disaster did slightly
influence my life long support for United. Bill Whelan’s funeral cortage passed our school on the way to Glasnevin Cemetery and I was very moved by the occasion
So much so I always ‘looked out’ for them in the papers at weekends and any article in Charles Buchan’s Football Monthly about United or a United player and I would buy it
immediately . Seeing the King Denis Law in a friendly against Coventry City in Dublin in 1963 sealed it for me.
Since coming to live in London in the mid sixties it has not escaped my notice there is an envy amongst a large section of opposition supporters of the
aura around United and the great players and exciting football we have played since Matt Busby’s(Giles, I am surprised he remained friends with Bob Lord!!) days.
Whenever United ‘came to town’ grounds would be full to capacity ,lots of people there to see our great stars, but often taken a vindictive pleasure in seeing
their team beat us, ‘Kick the fucking long haired git’ is a cry I often heard as George sent some local player kicking thin air in an attempt to do just that.
After the decline of the sixties team the early seventies were a nightmare for us ,we were so awful we lost 5-1 to a terrible Crystal Palace side in Jan ’72
and their supporters lapping it up, never felt so low leaving a ground. When Liverpool were winning league titles and European cups they did not seem to attract the same
hostility as United ,even though we we weren’t exactly piling up the trophies.
Since SAF has started winning leagues, cups, European Cups this envy has reached hysterical proportions. Maybe when those Liverpool supporters went berserk
at Anfield as we lost the league in 1992 they were fearful of what was to come because even then it was obvious we were improving year by year and it would be only
a matter of time before we won the league.Not even the most optimistic United supporter could have predicted the success Fergie has bought us. While we’ve been lapping
it up the hate merchants are on every phone-in, newspaper website, denigrating United’s and Fergie’s phenomenal success ,calling us(him) lucky, intinidating refs, weak opposition,horrible man, not as nice as Paisley , and any lame excuse they can find. Long may it continue.
That’s a great post, Red Letter, capturing a lot of what I remember through that period. I had forgotten just how often rival fans would scream that sort of stuff at Georgie Boy, and as someone with long hair myself I used to wince on his behalf.
It’s a Red Letter day!
Giles
Do you still have hair on your old head? Damn, I lost my hair in my 20′s! Still sexy as hell though
hahahaha
Cedars, yes, I still got all me own hair, just like Georgie…
just had a chance to read this one – top post Giles, especially your account of who started singing what first. I guess its easier to assume/accept that the songs were recent inventions.
As for “Brand United” long may it continue, as without it Manchester United cannot compete in international club football at the highest level. We should take pride we’re not propped up by tax payers money (Barca/Real) or unsustainable investment (City/Chelsea).