For the weeks preceding the Manchester derby, there were worries that some City fans would spoil the minute’s silence planned in honour of the Busby Babes. After attending plenty of Manchester derbies, I felt as though disruption to the minute’s silence could not be avoided, hearing the blue side of Manchester sing about Munich year after year. I have been called “Munich scum” by City fans more times than I care to remember, and whilst recognising the vast majority of blues are not scum bags, there are enough in the minority who I believed would spoil the day.
The season before last, I was at Old Trafford as United played out a painful 1-1 draw with City. Noel Cantwell, who captained United in the 1963 FA Cup final, as well as winning the league with us in 1965 and 1967, died two days prior to the match. The minute’s silence had to be stopped half way through, after the away section started singing Munich songs. Would this same set of fans be able to sit through silence dedicated to the Babes? I didn’t think so.
Yesterday, the referee blew the whistle to signal the end of the minute’s silence and it had been observed perfectly by the City fans. In the second half, the City fans launched the chant “There’s only one Frank Swift” which was in turn applauded by the United fans.
After the match, both City manager, Sven-Goran Eriksson, and City captain, Richard Dunne, spoke out out in praise of their fans. “I would like to say a big thank you to our fans,” said Sven. “They were absolutely fantastic before the game during the minute’s silence and of course during the game.”
“Our fans were fantastic – everyone within the club knew they would be,” said Dunne. “We are very proud of them and hopefully they are very proud of our performance.”
Now, whilst I am appreciative that the City fans kept their mouths shut, I’m not too sure why they should be lavished with praise. They behaved like normal human beings. Congratulations, you’re not sickos who sing songs mocking innocent people who died. Managing to observe a minute’s silence for the sake of 23 people who lost their lives, one of whom was a legend for their own club, makes them “fantastic.” Do me a fucking favour!
The low expectations the manager and captain have of their own fans says a lot about the blues. For the captain to feel “proud” of their fans for joining the human race is quite frankly embarrassing and patronising.
On a lighter note, I hope the events of yesterday will have a positive effect on City fans in relation to Munich. A bitter in my local was hopeful that maybe we will see the despicable chants die down on derby day, but I think he is kidding himself. Saying that, I thought staying silent for one minute to remember the Babes was beyond them, so maybe there is some hope for them yet.
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here here, the voice of sense at last!
Pot? Kettle? What about your hillsborough songs? Sort out your own back yard mate.
Are you seriously telling me that united are normal. Sponsorship on the memorial banner!
I think writing an article like you lot have never made a distasteful comments is ridiculous – whats that song build a bonfire….
But what did you think of the match itself?
Love it. You’re comparing the playground song of ‘build a bonfire’ to singing about Munich?
You’re completely correct, the United fans are the ones whos deserve the real praise, as they managed a full 90 minutes of silence compared to City’s 1.
And now that City have joined “the human race”, does that mean we have to start singing songs about Hillsborough, Leeds fans being stabbed in Istanbul and Marc-Vivien Foe?
Hypocrite.
I see the taste of humble pie and sour grapes isn’t a pleasant one. At least we aren’t selling the commorative scarves on e-bay. I’d cast out the plank in your own eye before taking City to task about the assumed splinters in our eyes
Lets hope your fans and manager will join the human race soon, what with upending petrov in the first few minutes to disputing every decision right or wrong, intimidating the officials moaning about being caught yards offside, diving,
not turning up for post match interview,
embarrassing fans with V signs after the goals and all on International TV
How pathetic.
Was it the poor kit that made half you rags leave ten minutes before the end or was it to avoid the que on the M6 heading back down south ??
I think you should ask your own fans not to be disrespecful – How many are selling their scarfs & programmes from yesterdays game on ebay.
Do me a favour for once in your life give credit where it’s due.
The City fans were labelled as Scum of the Earth who would mock and disrupt the minutes silence, by every red top journalist and TV pundit across the Country.
Yet did it happen?
No!
Of course Dunnie and Sven didn’t know what to expect as they had had it drummed into them by the same press that there was no way City fans would show respect for the Munich victims.
And yes the City fans were Fantastic throughout.
I suppose I’ve been hearing things when I’ve heard United fans (minority as with other clubs) chanting about death?
And I thought it was a nice touch how many Programmes and (FREE) Scarfs went on ebay straight after the game. The fans are just like the club looking to make a quick buck from a disaster.
HYPOCRITES !
The point being made here, which I thought was quite obvious, was the embarrassing amount of praise being lavished on City fans by their captain and manager for being able to observe a minute’s silence.
Let’s take United vs Liverpool at OT last season, as one example, where United fans didn’t sing about anything they shouldn’t be singing about. If at the end of the game Ferguson went “Well done! Our fans were brilliant! They didn’t mock the dead! They were fantastic!” then we’d have a suitable comparison. To try and compare what is being written in my article to talk of the 96 and Turks is quite simply a flawed argument. Sven and Dunne thought their fans were the bees knees because they didn’t act like scum of the earth. It’s patronising and insulting, considering the vast majority of City fans are not scum bags.
To whoever said City fans weren’t selling the scarves and making money off Munich: eBay.
Now clear off this United blog bitters, I’m tired of deleting your drivel. Don’t you have City blogs to go and celebrate your Cup Final win on? I would have thought City fans would agree with me on this one, that Sven and Dunne were wrong to have such LOW expectations of you. Clearly I was wrong, never mind… cheerio.
And toodle pip to you. Oh truly bitter one.
Frank Swift’s Ghost – I hope you remember all about FS next time the two teams meet. Like I said in the article, I’d love for City fans to remember they lost one of their own in the disaster before putting on their Munich wings and singing.
Bitter? I’d be made up if we beat City home and away, but essentially we have bigger fish to fry. City don’t. So enjoy it, go out and celebrate your double over United, and preferably, do it away from a United blog
“Always look out for Turks carrying knives” anyone? Every club has a minority, United are no better.
Everyone knows that the rags have done more to disrespect the victims of Munich than any chants could do. Just cast your eyes towards the AIG logo splashed over the “tribute” poster, coincidentally placed above the open megastore, for instance.
City fans deserve an apology from the press after some of the rubbish written about us in the past week.
the reason dunne and sven were so lavish was to counter the 4 weeks of newspaper articles reporting on the lack of a minutes silence before the event for a realistic view see mick hume’s article in spiked.com where he wants 60 secs silence rather than 4 weeks of noise and he is a woking red
Scott the Red – Don’t you have City blogs to go and celebrate your Cup Final win on? What is funny about this comment is that we played you twice and won both times, that makes it 2 cup finals won, shame we dont play you again this season we could do the treble
Well at least you’re big enough to admit beating United is like winning a cup. United rely on actually winning cups to get that feeling.
32 years and counting…
Wow, all these Man City supporters must have looked on Google for any MUFC Blogs and had a field day.
A few things, I was suprised by City fans staying 100% silent. The praise they were shown by Manager and Captain was probably spilled out through overwhealming relief that they were not embarrassed. Praise couldv’e been given for the way all Uniteds background staff made the occaison memorable regarding the actual tragedy and its tributes.
City have had their Cup final and we didn’t deserve to win. Last year against City we did deserve to win and also lost! It is football and I am more confident now about playing Arsenal on Saturday than I would be if we won yesterday. Not a huge consolation.
ALL CITY FANS: ENJOY YOUR SEASON OF HUGE SUCCESS!!! YOU WILL FINISH IN THE TOP 10 IN THE LEAGUE AND HAVE BEATEN UNITED TWICE!!! THE END OF SEASON DVD PROMISES TO BE AMAZING!!! I HOPE THE PLAYERS ARE HOLDING PHOTOS OF THE CITY DOUBLE OVER UNITED AS THERE WILL BE NO CUPS TO HOLD YET AGAIN, WELL MAYBE TEA CUPS!!! WOO HOO!!
There is no set of supporters in the country that does not have disrespectful scum bags amongst them and you lot are no different. The reason the praise has been heaped on City is justified – had it been LFC V UTD at the Hillsborough anniversary would the minute silence have been observed?
Oh shit, not another City fan!
Yes I am, but this article came up through a newsnow/Manchester City feed. So that’s why you’ve got this blue reading (and commenting on) what you’ve got to say.
I’m ashamed to say I know City fans who happily use the “Munich” moniker when referring to your lot.
It’s nothing to be proud of, and they have always got put in their place when they’ve said it.
However, they do seem to be in a minority, and as already said, every club has a similar minority who have no respect for anyone else. This minority are similar to the types who are selling scarves (red and blue) on Ebay.
Again, your statement “Congratulations, you’re not sickos who sing songs mocking innocent people who died” can be extended to a minority at many (if not most) clubs.
Leading upto the match, City made great efforts to minimise any disruption. It’s easy to say that they shouldn’t have to, but unfortunately, human nature is what it is.
So maybe Sven & Dunnie made their comments as the best way to acknowledge what happened, and to try to put things into a positive light?
I’d also contest your point about when we last won anything (me being pedantic and all that), we got a nice shiny trophy when we last got promoted from the first division to the Premiership in 2002.
But however many years it is for City, it’s even longer for Newcastle….
“Let’s take United vs Liverpool at OT last season, as one example, where United fans didn’t sing about anything they shouldn’t be singing about”
Was there a minutes silence before the game for either set to disrupt and be seen by the masses? Were there a completely biased 3/4 weeks of crap all over the press about how the away team were going to spoil everything? NO.
Fact is, the reason we’re being praised so much is because we’ve read all that unfair bollocks in the press and responded to it in the way we always do. Now even the press are gutted and are eating their words and our manager and players have seen what we have had to put up with too you know.
Every club has their idiots. You lot are DEFINETLY NOT exempt from this, as we have all seen in the past.
One last thing, I’d be careful about saying your lots usual “oh city fans, obsessed, posting on a utd blog” etc whilst posting an article on your united site which is 100% about Manchester City fans….
I find it hilarious that Utd fans sing 32 years. It just shows you how little they know about football. City were crowned Div 1 Champions under KK and for that they won a trophy. What Utd fail to pick up on is the fact that it once took them 37 years to win a trophy. Because most of them think that football began in 1993 this fact has been glossed over.
BigBrian – between 1911 and 1948. You’re referring to arguments that date back to WW2. Are you not embarrassed by that? I’m cringing for you.
I wouldnt even bother arguing with these people.City is such a small club.They get exited over what?two wins?hehe.Manchester city is a trophy free zone.Small stadium.No support.didnt they just gain promotion just a few years ago.hehe.small club.
32 years and I am still here.
as to div 1 champions cup hahaha
I was at wembley in ’74 and ’76 and still follow City now. The only reds I have time for are the real supporters, not the plastics who would be in the pub in essex or wherever with their rooney or ronaldo shirts.
Scott probably feels the same, but I am still here.
It makes me laugh when people mock supporters of a team such as United, when they are not from Manchester. How does this not make somebody a true fan? In these modern times with the media we have, kids grow up all over the world from very young ages and fall in love with a team. Ronaldo and Rooney are two superstars, what kids whether from London or Manchester would not look at those 2 and idolise them? This is a reason why kids like those start supporting teams. Unless the other option, the kids Dad gets them into his team from an early age. It is life, it’s what makes MUFC such a massive club and it will only get bigger.
Manchester Uniteds recent trip to Saudi is a great example, over 60k fans most of who are very passionate about United bought tickets and sold out the match in just a few hours.
It is also true though that you will generally find more casual fans of teams like Chelsea, United and Arsenal (any tem that does well) than a team with no chance of winning a trophie in the big Leagues/Cups such as City, Newcastle, Blackburn. It is natural but it is certainly not down to where somebody is from or somebody is living.
The best bit is that any City fan from Manchester knows how many reds we have here. Any City fan from Manchester drinks with reds at the local, works with reds on a daily basis, has a sister/cousin/daughter going out with a red etc. Any City fan from Manchester knows what hard work it is finding a pub in town that would show the City game over United’s.
So any City fan on here telling us to fuck off back to London doesn’t sound like a Manc to me, or is a Manc fronting the stupid stereotype they know to be inaccurate.
The time for City fans attempting to ridicule United fans for not being from Manchester is gone. They are owned by Thaksin Shinawatra, for Fuck’s Sake!
He’s not exactly born in Salford, is he?
Another blue who was at the match, who was delighted that all fans kept the silence.
I’ve kept my scarf and wished to get a programme of the occassion. too Unfortunately I couldn’t get one as I assume they were bought up by the heartless money grabbers who are currently parading their wares on e-bay. The fact that City won has made me all the more disappointed that I didn’t get one as it was special for me. I was not old enough to go in ’74 and if I’ve got to wait as long again, I’ll probably be in a nursing home somewhere. I don’t mind admitting it, it was a big deal to beat United. But I sense that United fans are getting a little bit miffed with City stealing points off them every year. We’re becoming a bit of a ‘bogey’ team for them and they probably earn more points off every other side in the league than they do off City. I think it nags that as United have made the Premiership virtually their own, City have done gradually better and better in Derby games. If we manage to ever get a side capable of challenging for major honours then maybe the Derby results will diminish slightly for us too. But in the meantime, we’ll take the odd double as a sure sign of progress.
Of course MCFC respected the occassion. We stood in silence for George Best too. Never doubted it although of course there always the chance that there will be the odd idiot in the crowd who chooses to wear a blue scarf whilst pissing in their own gravy.
I can assure you now that Arsenals fans will be chanting ”see you on the motorway” to ours on Saturday night, I really hope Anderson walks all over that smarmy bastard (and great player) Fabregas like he did at Arsenal last year.
Firstly I don’t see the necessity for this article, and therefore am disappointed that this should appear here when the opportunity to build upon Sunday’s tremendous show of unity from both sides in remembering people who contributed to football in that era, players, coaching staff, journalists, flight crew and even a supporter, was evident.
I can’t say I am surprised however. In the run in to this match, one of the contributing authors here wrote an article which was an unnecessary reminder, (being confronted by City supporters chanting Munich taunts in previous meetings). This was not a constructive move and runs counter to the efforts the club officials (BOTH) and team members (BOTH) were putting in making this derby meeting both successful in ceremony running and true to the spirit of the occasion. In this there is failure of leadership from United boards such as this in helping to bridge gaps (rivalry spilling over to hatred to the point of mocking death and loss). Feel not too aggrieved. I suspect there was no leadership from any other United forum or supporter grouping and neither from City’s. We have the clubs and supporters (BOTH) as individuals to thank for Sunday’s resounding success.
During this same run in, there was an avalanche of media coverage on whether there would be cooperation with this minute’s silence, from all City supporters. To have some coverage would be right given past episodes and to act as external pressure. The media instead hounded this issue at the expense of MCFC, creating a negative environment. We have no need to thank them and in fact the same media are due articles acknowledging the conduct of City supporters that day. I said some of these things before the match on BBC 606 in a thread by BLUEMANCHOO as well as when writing my article thanking City supporters (at their board, under nickname GoldenYearsOfSAF) after the match.
MCFC were unfairly hounded by over a hundred newspaper articles on this matter. Don’t begrudge them this respite if some of these same publications should come out and say they were wonderful, bordering on ‘we were wrong to have thought otherwise’ which is as close as a apology that they might likely get, which is unfair as they are due a clear apology. The crime was not committed that day yet they were judged and repeated charged based on past incidents.
With regards to comments on AIG ‘sponsorship’ of the Munich Tribute Mural (posters are what you stick on the wall or behind the door. When something sized to cover a good portion of the facade of a stadium is produced, call it a mural), it is in fact the other way around. AIG paid for it and might actually have come out with the concept (using advantage of the office lighting behind it, not unlike a huge neon board). This is goodwill to the club and supporters for the occasion and yes the logo is placed there to acknowledge their contribution. Only a fool would think that United derived additional income from this. The sponsors in fact had lesser mileage on the day by sacrificing direct placement in return to goodwill acknowledgement.
AIG wasn’t the only one yet appears the only one targeted. Nike too had lower physical presence that day yet they too got acknowledgement and they too were given an area where they could have a personal and visible show of support. The red sweaters worn by the children choir during the club memorial service was sponsored by Nike and their logo was visible (right breast).
If you still can’t understand the concept, I will use a blunt example. Flags and scarves of FC United of Manchester, Manchester City FC and other clubs were captured by the media coverage at OT on the 6th as well as at Munich, to a lesser extent, in addition to those from MUFC. None of these other clubs fans paid any money to MUFC nor does anyone imply infraction of territory or hogging the limelight/sponsorship even though they got visibility that is true to principle of goodwill gains. Why? That is because we rightfully and readily accept it as a show of support from a well meaning party, without reservations. AIG and Nike are no different in this aspect, regardless them being business entities.
People selling mementoes for the day either don’t value it or prefer the money. Those buying it would treasure it better. Frankly I think they should wait to sell later. 10-15 pounds seem too little to bother with. The item is not want is sacred. That is a bobble as you might call it. It is the memory that is treasured. That memory was enhanced by near 76,000 supporters at OT on the 10th.
Practice less hypocrisy, join in the spirit for the day and you will all be able to see much clearer and understand we from United have been blessed by much and I for one would wish, for those coming here from other clubs, that you should have so much, if and when your clubs should remember some glorious or tragic past.
United supporter
‘City fans should not be praised for acting in a decent manner’ .
Why not? Such praise can only make it more likely that they’ll behave similarly in future. The publicity around the issue might also make fans of other clubs think twice about some of their own moronic tendencies.
There’s nothing wrong with praising good behaviour, since the intent and the effect is to encourage more of the same.
You make a point that is spurious at best. What is the purpose and intent of your article? Don’t you want football fans to behave in a decent manner?
Leeds United Supporter?
To Spirit of 1983. An excellent scribe and at last some common sense (from either side). I support almost everything you’ve said with the exception of the sponsorship elements – but I may have just worked in Marketing too long and so am overly cynical when it comes to corporate objectives with acts of supporting social grieving or charity – it could all be done in secret after all.
I too came across this article via the newsnow link, I was expecting to find a half decent article, for the first few lines It was promising, after reading the rest of it Scott the red I can only say thank God your views are not the same as the majority of Reds I know, Who do they say is bitter again ?
On another note, a few things I felt distatseful were the mascots with the AIG logo and Fergie running off to South Africa to promote the club ! surely Sunday of all days( match apart) this was a day that should have been dedicated entirely to the memory and respect to the people lost in 1958 and their families ?
The point of this article is that although a minority of fans, including united, have mocked the death of innocents no team takes it to the level city fans have in the past, and no doubt will do in the present. When a club’s official program refers to united as the “munichs” as city’s did a couple of years ago, this is an unprecendented example of a sick term/chant transcending the worst excesses of terrace culture-a relatively closed shop of tribalism existing largely on the boundaries of modern culture- and becoming accepted by the “official” commercial, face of a football club which exists in the mainstream. Would the everton review call liverpool fans by a nickname referring to the tragic events of hillsborough? Would a club representative of rangers refer to celtic as a “fenian”? City and it’s supporters almost singularly refer to United as “munichs.” It’s common usage. Used to describe us regardless of the context of the conversation. This is partly why the media, the respective clubs and beveared families, concentrated on city and their fans re’ the minute silence; and now are congratulating them. Because no other club has celebrated a tragedy like city have over munich. Lest us forget that city fans let of fireworks outside the ground, a fact that united and it’s fans have not denounced because, rightly, if would seem churlish because of the respect for the silence otherwise shown.
On a lighter note did any other reds notice a much larger contingent of bitters in their locals post-game sunday. So many crawled out of the woodwork i could have sworn i saw Eddie Large and Curly Wates sat in the corner of the public lounge.
Salford Red, I don’t ever recall the term ‘munichs’ featuring in an official club publication. If this ever did happen, which I seriously doubt, it certainly wasn’t ‘a couple of years ago’.
I have been watching City for 30 years and the notion that “City and its supporters almost singularly refer to United as ‘munichs’ ” is ridiculous. A few idiots do (did) and that’s all.
And, how do you know it was City fans who let off fireworks?
Just because you assert something doesn’t make it true. I sugggest your views are paranoid in general and your fixation with being called ‘munichs’ ,a delusion. You are living in the past mate. The rest of Manchester is moving on as was so admirably demonstrated on Sunday.
The future’s bright. The future’s blue.
After reading this article as a United fan I have to say I feel highly embarrassed, all the rubbish the media heaped on the City fans before the game was a disgrace, the truth of the matter is this, I cannot think of another team I would rather have played than City to mark the 50th anniversary, at least they were the fans who would have felt and understood the tragedy that occured more than anybody else, do you seriously think the Scousers or the Cockneys would have been so respectful ? Well played to the fans and the club I say !
Yes Salford red and we`ll say nothing of the Man United fans I heared discussing getting City shirts and tickets for the City end to disrupt the minutes silence so we`d look like a bunch of c*nts in front of the watching world !
Second and thirdly, the Munich comments in an official programme ? care to publish the contents so people can read it themselves ? And how do you know it was City fans letting fireworks off outside the ground ?
I don’t think this was an article in which Scott wanted to have a go a a load of City fans, he has just (quite accurately) pointed out that It is a shame Manchester City’s captain and Manager were so worried about their own fans (a minority) embarrassing the club by ruining the silence. Scott also pointed out that it was great iy wasn’t inturupted but it is a fact that any human being that has to be applauded for not disrespecting the dead has no place in society. It is a bit like when you say good boy to a dog for going into the garden and pissing, when you have had the fucker 5 years and he still does as he pleases.
The term munich was used to denote united in the match program. This is a fact and required an apology from the city hierarchy of the time. To deny this is either foolish or deliberately ignorant. As far as living in the past, the city fans in my salford local post-match complaining that united had “milked the crash” and “made a big deal of it” certainly didn’t resemble the paragons of modernity that you claim all bitters have suddenly become. I suggest that your naive and blind to the realities of a large selection of your support.
No, Salford Red. Far from being “blind to the realities of a large section of ‘our’ support”, I am in fact part of that large section and associate widely within it.
It appears that you associate with the idiot minority and your views are consequently skewed.
Your reference to the term ‘munichs’ being used to denote Utd supporters in a match program is one of two things. Either it is an urban myth which you have beeen gullible enough to swallow, or it’s your own fabrication. Neither explanation would surprise me, particularly given the company you keep.
My PA spent 30 minutes searching every news thread she could think of today and eventually rang both clubs’ press officers plus the sports ed of a national daily. Guess what? Zip. Nada. Nothing. Nowt. It never happened.
Mammutly – The Independent article which cites the City apology for referring to us as “Munichs” in their matchday programme. How much are you paying your PA? Took me all of 2 minutes to find that link.
Ding ding ding, Round 2.
Actually, nah, that’s just a knockout
Ah! The infamous leaving Maine Rd favourite chant vote.
Dear, dear., dear. I have every respect for Mr Nixon as a journalist, as did his former editor. Sadly, however, he was prone to the odd rush of blood.
The reference actually featured in ‘King of the Kippax’ a matchday fanzine, not the official club program.
There was also a fan printed song sheet distributed at the time as well as the clubs official version. It contained reference to Munich as well as such ‘classics’ as the whole list of F**k this , F**k that, You’re a Bastard type chants.
Sources. Sources. Sources. As I said to your Salford friend. Just because someone asserts something doesn’t make it true. One should be especially wary of ‘embedded subjects’ in headline articles. It ‘s where journalists put stuff that they know will make good copy but is a liitle bit dodgy, or , as in this case, not exactly true.
Mammulty – just because someone asserts something, it doesn’t mean it’s true. I’ve shown you a link from The Independent, a fairly respectable newspaper, stating that City’s chairman apologised for something that was printed in City’s match day programme.
You say that’s not true, without any sources. I find it odd that the Chairman would feel the need to apologise on the behalf of a non-official programme, a fanzine that has no official link with the club, right? “It got into the programme erroneously because it was not edited properly. It’s the last thing that we would want to be associated with. It was a pure mistake and we are sorry for any offence that was caused to anybody. It will not happen again.”
We are supposed to take your word over The Independent’s? Don’t use double standards on us. You have just done exactly what you’re telling us not to do.
I’ll be more than happy for you to show us some proof which backs up what you’re saying. But as you say, for the time being, just because someone asserts something it doesn’t make it true, right? Sources, sources, sources
It is not possible to ‘prove’ that anything really did not happen, only whether it did. I could, for instance, say that you were responsible for selling drugs at Sunday’s game – now, go on. Prove you were not.
Conversely, I can PROVE that City did, once again, beat Utd on Sunday.
Here’s where we come back to sources. The independent article you quote was a draft, not the published product. Read it again – ” ….and a club statement club read….” Please!
As an exercise, read the articles on NewsNow and see how they change over the hours prior to the paper actually coming out.
Ah ok, so The Independent just made up the quote of your Chairman apologising, referring to the people who called United ‘munichs’ as “we”. My mistake?
Clearly it was a non-official fanzine that called United ‘munichs’ but the City chairman thought he should take the blame to the club, claiming that “we” made a mistake.
I’ve given you proof. You’ve given me hearsay…the one thing you just told us not to accept as fact lol.
Scott, I’m beginning to respect your tenacity.
You have not given me ‘proof’ , only what somebody said in a draft newspaper article.
Okay Scott, so your gripe appears to be that Sven said
“I would like to say a big thank you to our fans. They were absolutely fantastic before the game during the minute’s silence and of course during the game.”
While Richard Dunne said
“Our fans were fantastic – everyone within the club knew they would be. We are very proud of them and hopefully they are very proud of our performance.”
I would have thought that that was pretty standard fare for club officials thanking their fans for their support during a game. Sure, Sven also acknowledges the minute’s silence, but it would have been pretty odd if he hadn’t, bearing in mind the significance of the fixture.
So what’s your problem? You tell me, but I think it’s called psychological projection.
For your point to have any standing, you’re suggesting a writer for The Independent completely fabricated comments from Manchester City’s chairman in his draft article. If you’re ok with that, fair do’s… but don’t come on my blog criticising people for asserting things and then claiming them to be true
Oh Come On Scott! I am suggesting nothing of the sort. A misquote, a quote out of context. It is not the same as saying it’s a complete fabrication.
I could fill your blog with so called ‘quotes’ from Utd players and staff which have frequently appeared in various newspapers over the years.
Mammutly, your wrong. There is no shame in this. Regardless of this post-modern free for all we live in, i believe many things in this life to be wrong. And your as wrong as it gets my bitter friend. In terms of being wrong your up there with religious fundamentalism, free-market capitlaism and the brand new heavies. What is right,however, is that myself and Scott have claimed a moral victory, against your vast media empire. A bit like that hippie couple who took on Mcdonalds and won. As for the company i keep, well your inference was right, their a bit snide. Full of “your a bastard” type chants and pre-1996 football programs; and people that sell drugs outside football grounds that do so with brazen impunity because it cannot be proven. And as for your PA, who incidently was very very wrong, go easy on him/her it is valentines day after all.
Scott been selling to you then? Sounds like it. I’ll add grandiose ideation to your previously obseved attributes of paranoia and delusional thoughts.
Me? Bitter? I’m a City supporter with good friends, some of whom happen to be Reds. I have my own business and pay my staff a pittance so that I have loads of money. I have a pretty wife and a fine house and a fast car. Life is great and i’m lovin it. I’m a working class kid from Salford who got a state funded education and used it to exploit my way to the top.I’m now expanding into eastern Europe and China and have plans of world domination. I already have options on the moon, including mining interests and also prospecting rights on large areas of south west Mars. I’m in favour of internment without trial, global warming, the extinction of non profitable species and illegal immigration.
P.S. My P.A says allsources this centuary amount to ‘last couple of years’ plus 5 or 6.
Malmulty, sorry for the delay in my reply. Emboldened by my moral victory over a man who evidently is doing allright in life, i decided to become the new poster boy for amnesty. My new job will take me all over the globe and i’m currently locked in a struggle for union rights for the proletariat of south-west mars. It’s a tough call but i’m rooming with angelena jolie, who incidently came down for breakfast the other day in a “bell better then best” t-shirt. Of course i insisited she disrobe immediately. I look forward to locking horns with you again either on the picket lines of mars, though i bet like Mr Burns you have hired monkey butlers to do your biddng, or next season where natural order of things will no doubt be resumed.
I greet you newly returned from overseas. Thankyou for your reply. I was pleased to note Utd’s victory over Arsne’s Arsenal. ( That name is too rare and too coincidental to be real)
I fear the ‘natural order of things’ may have shifted for good. It is called ‘change’ and happens everywhere all the time. It is not, as you are probably thinking, the coins what you gets back when you hands over your grubby fiver in your local after squeezing between 2 dozen City fans holding pints of bitter.
However, no doubt they’ll be stuff to argue and debate in future anyway. At the moment I’m campaigning against the two handed tossers in landrovers who drive out of Manchester on a weekend to plow up my beautiful Peak District. They call it ‘greenlaning’. I call it Eco Terrorism. They are threatening to kill me on YouTube and me an innocent capitalist exploiter of human misery for profit. Tsk. There’s just no justice!
Good luck with the posters – sticky business that……..(p**s poor joke)
Threatening to kill you!!!! Mr mammutly – I think not. Merely asking you to keep your nose out of something you do obviously do not understand – please feel free to come with us one day . . . AND I say this to you as a fellow Manchester City supporter. We definitely do NOT plow up your (actually “our” as its a National Park belonging to the public) beautiful Peak District. We take the same care of it as everyone else who avails themselves of the facilities.
WOAH! Well off topic! If you think I’d mess up my brand new red and white Hummer doing that s**t, you’re a crazy man.