Last summer, Sir Alex Ferguson claimed Manchester City had a “small club mentality”.
Ahead of Saturday’s derby, Nigel de Jong claimed that trying to stop United winning the league served as motivation to perform.
“It would be nice to damage United’s title chances,” he said. “United need the points to catch Chelsea and they know Arsenal are behind them.”
Our victory meant we went within one point of Chelsea, whilst City dropped out of the top four to make room for Spurs.
After the game, Gary Neville was asked whether damaging City’s chances of Champions League football motivated United at the weekend.
“Whether or not our win prevents City qualifying for the Champions League is not an issue for us,” he said. “The great thing about Manchester United is that we never get carried away with what other teams are doing, even if they are local rivals. We just concentrate on our job and, as much as we possibly can, we take the emotion out of the game and try to win for ourselves.”
As if all the trophies, the size of fan base and quality of players wasn’t enough to tell the two clubs apart, the attitude of the players certainly does the trick.
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Title FAIL
They really have got a shit MENALITY!! FAIL!
if we had to choose, who would we prefer in the champions league
liverpool or city?
With Nev kissing Scholes, I don’t know if we have more men-ality.
Money can’t buy you class!!
with de jongs menality i cant see liverpool given 100%
@Gotta hate tiny tears says:
don’t worry, stoke or wigan will give Chelsea a better game than those classless dippers
Great comment by Neville, professional on and off the pitch. Typifies United to the hilt. I still remember the cup final of 96, when they interviewed Robbie Fowler on the pitch he was making stupid jokey remarks and gesticulating behind McManaman behaving like a child. When then interviewing Neville he was straight, serious and knew the job in hand, made you proud.
There are many things that indicate the differences in mentality between the 2 teams and the players too
City fans kept moaning about the time added on at the end of the game at Old Trafford, without forgetting that ‘added time is for both teams not just United to try and score to win the game’
Carlos Tevez said after he signed for city ahead of the first manchester derby. ‘ i want to help my team win DERBIES’. That show where their priorities lie. Would you ever imagine SAF telling our players we have to win this derby this season?. Never, its always trophies that count.
Just because they had money to spend they spent an obnoxious amount and sold Richard dunne who gave everything for the club and bought that buffoon lescott. Dunne would have been much more effective than lescott going by citys defensive displays this season
The ‘Welcome to Manchester ‘banner which was an intentional attempt by city to wind our players and the club itself organised it, not the fans. not to mention the munich chants which are held in full force at every derby
Thats what makes the difference and that is what separates championship winning teams from the others. Championship winning teams convert ‘draws and defeats into wins’, average ones like city throw them away
*heard*
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1267113/Manchester-United-star-s-brother-beaten-city-fans.html?ITO=1490. A good mentality Is also something the fans lack!
Menality : Mentality
Nigel De Jong is a prick & City deserves such characters.
Hi,
That´s precisely the difference between them and us.
How long have they gone without wining ANYTHING?
And Gary Neville after winning EVERYTHING still has that need to win more. Impressive.
COME ON YOU MIGHTY REDS………….UNITED UNITED UNITED
I might be sounding stupid and some of you guys may not like my thinking but the story that I read about Mourinho taking over at end of 2010-2011 season and him being already lined up does not seem impossible……. The man has Sir Alex’s winning mentality though he does not have the affection for youth and flowing football…….. Sir Alex has said many times over the past 2-3 years that there will be no way he will still be managing at 70……..
I hope he just lied to us but to me whether its Mourinho or not, we will definitely see Sir Alex, Giggsy, Scholesy, Nev, VDS all go at the same time so that the incoming manager can build the team the way he wants to………
Any thoughts???
I wouldn’t judge De Jong or the City team too harshly over this sort of thing to be honest. At this stage in the season, hell in any part of the season really, the smaller clubs want to fuck with the big ones. Everybody wants to be the king maker, everybody wants to tear up the script and have their say on the history of the season, even if they can’t win it. If teams with nothing to play for weren’t motivated by this desire to cock-block the bigger teams on general principle then the latter half of the season would be really, really boring. Of course if you’re a player or a fan from a team down in sixth or eighth or tenth or wherever you want your team to stand up an be counted in the battle for the title. It must be fucking galling week in, week out, to see people talk about your team as just three more points for the big clubs. Just fodder for the goal difference. That’s all City have been for years, a bogey team, a banana skin, beneath contempt and consideration. Give a team like that a chance to upset the apple cart and they will go for it.
It’s a small club mentality and long may it continue because to my mind City showed something this season when they went to Stamford Bridge and took Chelsea apart. They didn’t give a shit what that result did for our chances, and they didn’t just happen to get a lucky result either, they wanted to beat Chelsea and they fucked them where they live. That small club mentality might not be there forever if they keep doing crazy shit like that.
All that said though they have a bit of a rubbish manager and the players aren’t about much, so it’s not as though I’m actually worried. Might be if they get Mounrinho though, just because if you give that tedious motherfucker an unlimited bank account he turns into some kind of Godzilla of boring football, destroying all before him with his smug flat back nine clown car tactics.
Oops posted in wrong thread!!!!
sure this was well worth a try
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18nyQWPX-h4
@Costas
well said….lol
menality is how it is to be wrote from now on
@urval87
I dont want Mourinho anywhere near Old Trafford
Would rather have Blanc, Ole, Keane, Giggs, Moyes any day of the week
If mourinho wins the European cup again…then maybe we can look at his request..
GHTT
Add defiance onto that – city can stick there billions up there fucking backsides – United were built from scratch – from hard work – from class
Same goes to Chelsea
We made our success – they are buying it through limitless cheques – they can all fuck themselves
End of rant : )
http://www.teamtalk.com/manchester-united/6103278/Cleverley-nets-Hornets-player-award
well done cleverley. Hope he can do well at united next season. WE have a real talent on our hands here. has he been offered a new contract??
cannot imagine Mourinho at manchester united. it shouldnt happens. he’s a manager who likes to be bigger than his club. not my choice, not even in my top 10 list. it will be a very sad day for MUFC if it does happens. i’m confident it will not happen.
well said Nev. think he said what he said, a small part of it was also purposely having a dig at the bitters who are obsessed in denying us the title going into the game.
@DEVILisRED
you are right but at the bright side is with english media love him soo much the team will have less negative reaction from the media and maybe their menality bocome more positive toward us…but maybe not…
Even if we beat Spurs on Saturday I still cant see the current City team getting 4th they dont seem to have the mental strength to step up when it matters. They looked like a team terrified to lose and any club that signs Viera at the stage he is at now cant be that good, I was amazed how poor looked, you can always rely on Wenger to sell a player at the right time but what a joke to see city bring him back to the prem 2/3 years later.
No 4th place, no world class players!
To anyone who wants Ole or Giggsy or even Keano or Brucey as our next manager: does the name Wilf McGuinness mean anything to you?
Fuck me – read this reds
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7606656/French-international-footballers-Franck-Ribery-and-Sidney-Govou-in-prostitute-scandal.html
Fucking disgusting – no wonder the fucker got our Raph sent off –
On Alan Hansen’s comments that an average team are going to win the Premiership this year;
Yeah well the fucking chavs are average – if we win – we are the champions three years running if the deluded fuck hasn’t noticed
And to think they actually get paid saying so much bullshit
On Mourinho
Now listen – I never wanted him – but it’s apparent that the gaffer does – I tell you what if Mourinho doesn’t go off to Real or small club mentality then get ready – and it wouldn’t surprise me now – again the gaffer just sees himself in him – and he’s said that too…
Interesting times
Maureens Inter didnt look that boring when they where striping Chelsea
We’ve already achieved their dreams. 34 years and counting
Lets not all get carried away with our narrow win at the weekend – we could easily have lost this game. Its great that Chelsea also lost as it gives us the momentum – and yes we do have some class professionals – but people in glass houses should also not through stones. Someone mentiioned tha City fan attack – didnt one of our lot do the same to Bellamy not long ago?
Also – we do need to be careful about ‘money’. If you actually tot up how much we have spent over our time as (righful) champions then it makes what City and Chelsea spend not that far removed. Rio, Rooney, Berbatov etc were all players we paid ALOT of money for. Just because we cannot match them in terms of finance now because of the shit hole we find ourselves in becasue of the Yanks is our problem – not theirs. City’s team – as useless as they appear to be – have more ‘homegrown’ players than we do – and whilst you can’t ‘buy class’ – you can buy success. See Chelsea.
I for one would rather see Liverpool in the CL than City. Can you imagine the grief we would get at work from the bin dippers if City made it into fourth? Just a shame we have to beat the spuds at the weekend for our own title chances – otherwise I would say we should throw the game!
Fred – Spot on mate, we can’t make the same mistakes again, that were made when Sir Matt left.
Big Ron, Dave Sexton and Frank O’Farrell were all appointed before we hit the jackpot with SAF.
Fred
100% last week after the art comp win there was people looking for cantona to be our next manager
We where doing ok with another wee jock till he couldnt keep his pants on!
Whether you like Maureen or not we are going to need someone like him with a huge personality and backed up with a track record, if not him Moyes is a good candidate, his youth system is throwing up some really talented players, think we may have signed one of em and he does seem to in the main to but well.
I meant Moyes in the main signs well, doh!
The extent to which the Ribery thing is being blown out of proportion is insane. He was summoned to court as a witness. Has he been convicted of wrongdoing? No. Has he even been accused of any wrongdoing? No. Yet suddenly the papers are sizing him up as the next Gary Glitter. A guy in his twenties might have shagged a teenager who he met in a nightclub, quite probably without knowing her age. What a load of fuss about nothing.
Do not ignore the Citeh fans. Let them explain how does it feel to have an inferiority complex ….
scott the title says
MENALITY.
not MENTALITY
I hope Harry plays Kaboul at right back on Saturday, Valencia will have field day.
I would go with Moyes
He runs Everton like SAF runs Utd
He plays youth players, flair players like Arteta, strong defence, hard to beat.
If they had their full team from the beginning, they would be 4th this season
He also got them into 4th in 2005 and got to an FA Cup Final
He also has the potential to be excellent with the mind games, like what he did to us last year with Mike Riley
Have a look at this little clip:
http://action.joinmust.org/pride
There is no chance that Liverpool will lay down to Chelsea to try and stop United winning the league even if 4th spot is out of the question. Does anyone seriously think a side with Liverpool’s tradition and pride would happily lose a game at Anfield to Chelsea? I don’t think so! Players like Carragher and Gerrard, like em or not are ultimate professionals.
If we don’t win the league this season it will be down to our own results. We can only treat the next 3 games as cup finals and show the urgency and intensity to our play we showed against City which was clearly lacking against Blackburn and not worry about other results.
@Gary
If that dope Carrick scores against Burnley we would be at least level with Chelsea if not top…but that’s in the past now. I firmly believe we will win the league this season as Chelsea’s players have forgotten how to cross the finishing line. They are also tiring. I can see Chelsea drawing to either Stoke or Wigan and beating Liverpool.
I would love to see Owen lift no 19, thanks to Liverpool beating Chelsea though!!!
Liverpool, “pride and tradition” ? The “nouveaux riches” of the 70′s, where from did they get that “pride and tradition ? from the 2nd Division years of the 50′s-60′s ? Their history is limited to the period 1965-1990, at the most.
Small time cunts. That’s all I can say.
On the future manager debate I have said it before and I will say it again. Mourinho would be hands down my first choice. So the guy is a big character, what is exactly wrong with that? He would never over shadow the club itself so using that as an option not to go for him is truly pathetic because Manchester United will still be around a lone time after Mourinho has snuffed it!
He’s proven himself as one of the best managers of his generation. I mean for fucks sake he hasn’t lost a league home game for 8 bloody years! And that’s the one and only league home game he has ever lost with any club! He’s charismatic, he has bundles of self belief and he wouldn’t crumble under the pressure of managing United. Fergie would give his blessing for him to take over this club from hime one day if the chance came up, and who knows better than Fergie?! I really like the bloke, he’s charismatic and puts himself and his time on the line and more often than not comes up trumps. I admire anyone like that.
I think we need to give consideration to the thought that we might be seeing a completely different United 2 years from now………… Consider that if SAF were to go at end of the 2010-11 season, we would also be seeing the last seasons of Scholesy, Nev, Giggsy, VDS…….. For me, the whole thing just blends way too well to be a co-incidence…….
I could be wrong but we are definitely planning to have a new manager(Mourinho or not is a different matter) in 11-12……… That manager will be handed a structure and a lot of open positions in the squad which he can fill based on his own style and philosophy……… The true test will be definitely whether we buy a goalkeeper this summer or not……… If we do not, it means we are already into the handover process…… Also I do think that the successor will have been chosen and will be revelaed coinciding with SAF’s announcement to prevent any speculation…….. Thats the United way….:)
@Greek (MU)DJAHIDDIN
Look I hate Liverpool as much as anyone in here. But seriously both clubs need eachother and that’s a fact! I didn’t realise we can simply dismiss 2 decades of football that Liverpool made history in just because we shone before them. Yes in my views Manchester United are all together a more loveable club that Liverpool, it’s like something out of a fairy tale reading about United’s history. But you can’t dismiss that Liverpool don’t have tradition as a football club, it’s just being pure petty because you dislike the club.
Why focus on chelski or liverpools lets focus on our games.It would be a great season if we win the next three matches and still dont win the league.Atleast we can proudly said chelski were luccky to lift the league.
As far as mourinhos issue is concerned i wont mind him coming to united and managing us.Yeah agreed he hasnt produced a youth player in chelski or in inter but do you think these two teams had any good youth player.I think mourinho would be a perfect manager.He is a born winner like our fergie, he is best in playing mind games like our sir fergie and most important is that players would love to play under mourinho.I dont want fergie to retire but wont mind mourinho to be our next manager.
@Gary
LFC made “history” playing against Zurich, CSKA Sofia, Kuopio Palloseura of Finland, Widzew Lodz, Bruges in 1977 final, Real Madrid at their lowest ever in 1981 etc, etc, etc and with regulars like Phil Neal, Alan Kennedy, Terry McDermott, Tomy Smith, Steve “Chopper” McMahon, Gillespie, Sammy Lee, and countless other flops. It’s not that I dislike them any more than any other of the football league clubs. It happens that I have been supporting United since 1970 and I sincerely believe that scousers have always been overrated.
Gary – Spot on pal, we need them to at least draw with Chelsea, as i think They’ll win their two home games. It’s hard to support the dippers, but the ends might justify the means.
@willierednut
Liverpool had sod all to play for in 1995 against Blackburn and still beat them even though it could have helped us win the title. I personally do think like yourself that it will be a draw. I can’t think of a worse fixture for Chelsea on the second from last game than going to Anfield. All provided we win our games that is!
Greek (MU)DJAHIDDIN
Im sure some of Real wins where against what could be considered inferior opposition however you can only beat whats in front of you, lets face it Barca, Inter, AC, MUFC where all around at the time and we didnt even compete. On that basis where where we when they where winning 18 titles we didnt offer the competition we should have, I dislike the dippers as much as anyone but thier record is not to be sniffed at, overtaken yes but they set the benchmark in england.
Greek(MU)DJAHIDDIN – I couldn’t give a fiddlers about Liverpoo being over – rated in the 70s, i just want them to draw with Chelsea on the 2nd of May.
Also kind of glad terry wont be banned for that game, will be great to see the look on his face if we get the result we want.
I see Torres has ended his Liverpool season by having an operation on his knee.
For me that’s a blow to our title hopes as he is the sort of player who could hurt Chelski’s lack of pace at the back.
oh bollocks.
).
everyone knows we don’t want Citeh in ChL.
and by “we” I mean both supporters and players.
talk is cheap, and emotions are off, especially with middle finger up, aren’t they Gary?
sweet talk it is, but I’d be top of the world to see Spurs kicking Citeh out of ChL
(of course after they lose against us
however, Love Glazer Hate United banner was one of the lowest.
kicking the shit out of Diouf’s bro wasn’t too far from that either.
Citeh are shit. the club, the supporters, nothin to discuss about.
Dave Mack says:
I see Torres has ended his Liverpool season by having an operation on his knee.
I know a Dave Mack, where abouts do you live? some are saying he’s ended his lfc career, no champs league no torres!
who to say stoke cannot do it on sunday?
you know at the start of the season was happy to see pool falling over themselves but at this point i’d rather see the dippers in 4th than the city scum.
of course ideally i’d rather see spurs take the 4th spot, pool dropping to 8th behind everton and utd still winning the league. Hell you could throw in fulham winning the europa cup and going to europe next yr and leaving liverpool stranded in oblivion, but since we need pool to take points off chelsea in order to win the league i’ll settle for the 19th title.
im thinking i want Liverpool to win tonight and their next game so at least theyve got something to play for going into the final game with Chelsea.If they have a couple of poor results they wont give a fuck about losing to Chelsea on the last day.
I dunno its a hard one to work out really.
We just have to do our job and hope it comes down to that last game.
I couldn’t agree more, the mentality proved Citeh are a small club with a small mentality!
No wonder why SHITTY are 34+years ( @ least ) behind us !!
The scousers weren’t over rated. Seventies and eighties they were a fucking great team. Can hardly call Dalglish, Rush, McMahon, Molby, Whelan, Johnston , Houghton etc “flops”. I fucking hate them but credit where its due.
I Love ROM…
Mentality, my take on this Manchester United.
Positive thinking is not only a state of mind but a way of life.
Positive thoughts help people to achieve their goals, to become happy and to remain healthy.This is because positive thoughts help people to develop an optimistic atitude towards challenges.Just as what is stated in the old saying, the body can achieve what the mind percieves.This means you can achieve anything if you have a positive attitude. History, Class, Club ethic.
Manchester City Mentality=Mental Phychiatric disorder, crazy, dillusional.
You are right where you belong,
behind us on many fronts.
I agree Eric….Liverpool in the 70s and 80s were pretty much the bench mark for all european teams at that time…….i’m just happy that United have nearly surpassed them it my lifetime…..
King Eric – I don’t know what that was talking about, my old man hates Liverpoo, but even he admits that they were a great side then.
If the pool beat chel$ki – then I will say they deserve a place in the champion’s league. But only when that happens!
The problem with city’s mentality is that yesterday they were only trying to damage our hopes out of spite because that’s all they cared about. They weren’t playing for nothing else. United however, played for Manchester, and the hope of retaining yet another league cup. You need a majority of things to play for to win in the end no matter what time it was scored in, not one thing. I mean Tevez only wanted to play to get ‘revenge’ on us. I don’t know what for, he’s just barmy. Positivity is what runs throughout united – and the hope that we can do it in the end – even if it’s 20 seconds before the end! – just they give us rightful panic!
Someone answer this for me why does Big Ron get such flack from United fans. Granted God came along when he was sacked but Ron was the best gaffer we had since Busby? Surely. I’ll admit I was 2 when United sacked Big Ron, but I just don’t get how United fans like Docherty and hate on Big Ron. One got us relegated and was a womaniser the other won us 2/3 cup finals.
City fan just reading your comments, don’t agree with a lot of the comments but I do agree that we went into the game with an inferiority complex.
Such a pity because as we have proved allready we can play and would have given you a much harder test had we believed we could win.
still hope you beat the spuds for us (should that be “mash the spuds”).
and I actually hope you win the league to shut up the scousers.
Atys
Also just read the Diouf brother incident. Thats what gets on my nerves the bitters whine and whine how we are sick and whinged about Bellamy being hit by a bottle. Then they go and attack Dioufs brother…from behind. Fucking low life cowards. No doubt there will be a few city fans here trying to condone the actions. Its just a shame Bellamy eye wasn’t taken out by that bottle because they only serve plastic inside the ground. Damn shame.
@NotoriousRedDevil I agree with the quote about how sick it was to attack a players brother from behind out of spite. Every club whines about how we are violent – but I don’t recall many of us trying to attack someone outside the ground ( I’m being careful not to say inside because yes – someone threw a bottle at Bellamy. But this guy wasn’t even a player, he was there to support his brother. That’s just wrong)
@ atys. Good on you mate, yes you did have an inferiority complex, but hay we have years of the final post and mentality.
There is something about your Club stickability, with the players the ethos, Ireland probably one of the best young players last year, clearly gone Awol, why? Swp the favoured son returned to mecca, played seldom. Dumping Richard Dunne to Villa, who love him, and was outstanding for you, its like us kicking out Nemanja, or similar lol.
You are not miles away mate, its the ethic you need to get, think Robhino, marquee signing(cost)
It cant go on for ever right. Do you have a Carrington? you got a rich investor just now! we have …………
Knee jerk to bin Mark Hughes, its a long term plan and having the vision. Pleased you joined the Rags blog without vile Tirades. Hope you make the Europa league, lmao.
redscot
I think having players that have a connection with the club helps, the 5-1 at main road being an example, early in your empire builing we had a team packed with youth players that just wanted it more! Neville Scholes and Giggs are all passed their best but are united to the core, we missed that.
But i think we where correct to ditch Hughes he would never have taken us very far.
As for Europa league maybe but 4th place is still in our hands and I dont think its taken it last twist I for one still think we can do it.
Atys
@ Atys, Of course the connection helps , its a team together, did you see the post Scot the moderator put up, Gary to Paul, those lads grow up together its not gay, its I love you mate you kept us in the championship, as other boys at United are doing, its a thing City have no got or wont get,Club morale fibre and Club, before moolah.
Buddie this Empire as you ask was not built in 2 minutes Tick Tock and all that stuff.
As for you dumping Hughes, Villa are on the same vein, booting MoanNeil, see my point stick it through you might just get a Bacon face, lmao……. long term planning. The best manager the Epl as seen or likely to see.
Hope though in my heart you make the Europa, bought were you should be, Spuds for me in 4th. lol
Glad you kept your decency bitter. You will realize if you read my posts are balanced and thought through.
Believe just fucking cunting Believe
“..we take the emotion out of the game..”
cracks me up coming from our beloved heart-on-the-sleeve nev
Dear Reds, I am not saying that LFC were not a good team in the 70s-80s. I am saying that they were overrated. I do not know how many of you were watching football in those days, but may I remind you that in a European context Italian, Spanish, French (with the exception of St. Etienne), Portuguese and German (but for Hamburg) clubs were not in the football map in those days. This allowed Liverpool (and indeed Forest and a mediocre Aston Villa side !!) to win along LFC the European cup 7 times in a row. This is how LFC made their name.
For once I agree with Scott the Red. It’s a poor state of affairs when Nigel is more concerned with stopping United winning the title than with getting us into the Champions League.
Then again, if United fans were anything like their players, they’d refrain from mouthing off about other clubs and concentrate on supporting their own.
Just may i clarify matter do not believe all press.
I was near incident and it was 2 guys not gang who attacked diouf brother he was being loud prior to incident and one man punched him sqaure on in the face i guess out of frustration he was then hit again on ear and fell over it is wrong but why press make out like bigger thing as fights always break out everywhere after derby and i think when fan throw bottle at bellamy that as bad as you can not say one incident not bad as other.
‘Also just read the Diouf brother incident. Thats what gets on my nerves the bitters whine and whine how we are sick and whinged about Bellamy being hit by a bottle. Then they go and attack Dioufs brother…from behind. Fucking low life cowards. No doubt there will be a few city fans here trying to condone the actions.
Its just a shame Bellamy eye wasn’t taken out by that bottle because they only serve plastic inside the ground. Damn shame.’
Oh dear. I think you ought to proof-read your points for CRASS AND IDIOTIC STATEMENTS before posting them. Perhaps Blues call reds violent thugs for sentiments like these?
Also, while the actions of the minority group of so-called supporters are totally deplorable, it’s not the first instance of United fans’ arrogant, disrespectful and totally reckless behaviour around OUR ground that I’ve witnessed. Mr. Diouf, like quite a few other Reds on Saturday (and at the Carling Cup Semi Final) took their life into their own hands by behaving that way.
Tell me, NotoriousRedDevil, before you condemn our entire fanbase, would you have tolerated City fans chanting disrespectfully at Old Trafford, let alone after a last-gasp winner?
A bit more moderation and intelligence is in order on this forum, if you ask me. Read between the lines with articles about fan violence. And think about the infamous behaviour (this season alone) of your own club’s support before condemning anyone else’s!
“Then again, if United fans were anything like their players, they’d refrain from mouthing off about other clubs and concentrate on supporting their own.”
Ha the irony. You couldn’t make it up. Its you bitters who mouth off everytime before every big game as though you have actually won summat.