It’s amusing, in that gut-wrenching way, to think that Owen Hargreaves was included in our Champions League squad for the group stages, with the belief our midfielder would be back by then.
We’re now a handful of games away from the end of the season and it’s looking again as though Hargreaves is on the cusp of making a return.
However, the manager has claimed we’re in no hurry to rush him back as we have plenty of options.
“It is difficult to say when Owen will be back; he is training well and I had him in the squad for the Chelsea game,” said Ferguson. “His training performances have been fine but I think at the moment midfield is not an issue for us because we have plenty of alternatives.”
Plenty of alternatives? Really? Is that why we were playing Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs in the centre of our midfield against Blackburn, with the ageing pair having very little to offer?
Michael Carrick has gone AWOL this season, Anderson has been out for months, and Darren Fletcher can’t do it all by himself every week.
I’d say Hargreaves absence is very much an issue for us, or at least, having a player in Hargreaves’ mould if he is never to play again, so let’s hope the manager is simply trying to play things down, rather than this being what he actually believes.
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Agreed. Fletcher is starting to look tired, completely understandably so. Hargreaves is the only other midfielder left who can break up attacks. He would relish the City game. Fuck England, we still have a league to win!
Hargo wasn’t going to make any difference this season. He needs time to get backi into the groove. So in that sense, Fergie is probably right. But, if we lose the title, we could play Hargo in the final game. Nothing wrong with that. Or he could play a Reserve game. What’s wrong with that?
just play him
if he’s fit enough to train he’s fit enough to play. We throw in O’Shea and Wenger is going to play Van Persie
its a joke we have had to wait 24 months for this guy to get fit (though his penalty in the CL final was worth it)
“Midfield is not an issue” – he can’t really think so.
Makes me think Hargo is finally a no-go.
I agree. In fact, we lost UCL final last year because we lost Hargo who can substitute Fletcher.
Agreed. I just looked at the Champions League Final lineup in 2008 and the four players missing are Ronaldo, Tevez, Hargreaves and Brown. For me we need to strive to get Hargreaves back fit for next season as priority number 1.
i think fergi dont want to risk with hargo
I really hope he will be back next season, but lets face the fact that a season ago we were looking at “3 weeks”
Spot on Scott. Sorry to say but Giggsy best patch was at the start of the season and scholesys was in the first 2 and half months of this year. Apart from that they have struggled. Its not fair to expect scholesy to play 3 games a week at this level at his age. Ando went missing before the new year adn just when we felt he would come back strongly at the start of the year he got injured. Gibson has great shot but lacks in the other areas. Fletcher has been excellent but its obvious the tireness is getting to him now.The lesser said about Carrick the better
WE need some reinforcements who are young and can play 3 games a week especially considering the fact that we have to play minimum 60 games a season and reduce the reliance on young lads
I am truly sorry for the lad. We really missed him this season.
I hope that he recovers fully for the next season and Fergie has patience with him. It would be like a new signing.
sorry.
*reliance on scholes and giggs*
evra on the left of the midfield could be a good option now that oshea is back…
Against Blackburn it shouldn’t have come down to Scholes and Giggs playing at the centre. That trick worked at Riverside a year ago, but it won’t work every time. We could have played Carrick and Gibson.
@aig
which is why we should invest in Rodwell (18), Milner (22) and Silva (24) who will support Fletcher (24), Hargreaves (29), Nani (22), Valencia (24), Gibson (22), Obertan (20), Anderson (21) as well as Giggs and Scholes
I think Sir Alex means we have enough to see us through till the end of season. We have 4 games left to secure second spot, there’ s no need to bring him back for 4 games.
@Sayyid
I agree mate. We need a few young quality lads in midfield. I am not too sure about Silva due to the obnoxiously high price tag for him. He has many injury problems and misses half the season through injury. Milner is good but i think he is more of a hardworking player than a ‘quality player’.
Agree with Rodwell. My other choice is Gourcuff(24) or Hamsik(23)
I hope that Fergie is playing things down. But if its real what he mean, maybe he has lose the plot?
We all can see we had not much options.
@Sayyid
We will need 70-80 million for these 3.
Just Milner will do.
95th minute of the final day in the league united have a freekick…chelsea have slipped up united are drawning with stoke…rooney has been injured in the process of the freekick which after the match will make him injured for 3 months (up yours england!) Hargreves comes on for rooney
GOAL
i’d love that….
i dont believe a word sir alex says ever about injuried players till i see a player returns or is not on a team sheet
but i belive in sir alex and trust he’ll do whats right
We’ve missed Hargreaves all season, or someone who can fulfil his main central midfield role .He’s also a good right back and an aggressive wide-right player, so he’s a fantastic player to have – when fit.
But what worries me far more about this quote of Fergie’s is the impression it gives that he’s not acknowledging just how weak we have become in midfield this year. I doubt if we’ll get much more out of Giggs and Scholes, who have been over-used this season, and too often played together, much though it grieves me to say it. I loved them almost more than any players I can recall, but time is finally taking its toll on them both. Fergie has always stood by favourites just a bit too long, as with Choccy McClair in the ’90s, and then Keano in the mid-2000s. He distorts his line-ups and tactics to accomodate ageing players, as has happened every time United go through a barren spell with him.
There are problems with all our midfielders except Fletcher. (I’m not here including our wide players such as Nani and Valencia, who can be classed as midfielders ). Gibson has a great shot and pushes forward but sometimes lacks awareness and gets caught in possession and his passing can be wayward. Carrick has regressed alarmingly, defensively and as an attacking force. He never ‘bosses’ a game in the way one would expect from a man of his ability when on form. Anderson has become very wayward, so far not living up to his potential.
Youngsters like Possebon who briefly looked good are now no-where to be seen. There are other names in the reserves and youth ranks who look great but don’t seem to be getting any opportunites. The one bright spot is Cleverly, and what does he do? Gets injured…
Fergie used to have a reputation for nurturing youth, but it’s not really apparent now when we need a real injection of talent and energy.
Kel – Wind your neck in mate, i’m sick to death of hearing that Fergie has lost the plot.
I guess Sir Alex is just playing things down. Can’t hardly expect him to come out say “We’re desperate to get him back because we’re shite without him.” Plus, there’s only a few games left this season anyway. Be nice to see him get a run in at least one of them, though. Not just for the fans, but for everyone at the club too. Might raise the confidence levels a bit. I mean, if Hargo isn’t going to come back, and be at least as good as before, then this is one area where I really feel money must be spent. Not necessarily squillions, but got to do something to add some steel into our spine. Scholes is past it. Giggs is on the brink: surely he can only play a bit part next year. For mine, Carrick has been patchy at best (what is up with him?). As noted, Fletcher is tired. Anderson should be back but I’m still waiting for him to take that next step. Unless we get serious steel and quality in the midfield, we are doomed to keep playing this 451/433 (lone striker) formation, and it pains me to even think about that.
Only fletcher has been good enough this campaign.. we have had to rely too much on a scholes who is kind of past it in many ways.. I hope SAF is opening his eyes up and sees that our midfield is not good enough.. we need one more addition, and it would probably be good to let Carrick go..
also Gibson has 5 goals to his name, not 6..
@Giles Oakley
How are you and how is your health?
Fantastic post. Couldnt agree more or put it any better. The number of players from the youth ranks has reduced for sure. We need to get it back on track
@COSTAS
We can part exchange Carrick for Milner plus £10m
We can get Rodwell for £18m
We can get Silva for £24m
We have already spent £12m on Smalling and £6m on Hernandez
Thats £70m net spend
We could sell some squad players for arounf £10-15m, But Gill has said the Ronaldo money is available and we were going to buy Benzema for £30m
What do we expect him to say?
“FUCK ME, WE”RE IN DIRE NEED OF A CENTRE MID”
Not only is that a dumb thing to say ahead of a huge game, it will also add another couple million on top the the pre-existing United Tax we already have to pay on new players.
He’s not Blind, nor Foolish.
Alec knows that we’ve used Giggs and Scholes and Neville waaaay more than he would like, I’d even add Rooney to that list too.
But our Trio of Legends still have much to offer like I’ve said before, even if its just for one more season. Giggs and Neville and Scholes have all had outstanding performances this season just like they’ve all had poor ones. If we had enough depth and less injuries we could have used them more sparingly and thus more effectively.
Rafael, for me, is ready to step up next Season, and we also have Wes Brown as an option, so injury permitting, Neville is covered. Its in midfield we need strengthening, even if its just the return of Hargo and Ando, along with Gibson Fletcher and Carrick. But I think we’ll buy in the Summer.
How anybody can say Alec is past it is beyond me, yes he fielded a weakened side against Blackburn but thats because he expected Berbatov and Kiko to score and everybody else not to concede. It was a gamble in preperation for our remaining games and it didn’t pay off. These things happen.
Silva’s going to Madrid sayyid, so we can rule that one out.
well t think we need at least 5 palyers. we need a left winger, for excample david silva. he coast abut 25 million. 2 player david villa why not give 25 million plus berbatov in a swap it make sence realy. then we get james millner swap him for hargeaves. 4 player darrent bent swap him for micheal owen. bent has about 22 goals this season how many goals has owen 7 and he is ou for the seaon. bent would be your back up for villa rooney. 5 palyer graeth bale he would be you back up for paddy evra. theres you shopping spree . hero out all them would be david silva not villa cos silva makes goals and thast wwe need
we cant use 50 odd millions on central midfielders.. Do you honestly believe that is something Sir Alex will do? In my opinion we should go for Rodwell.. offer everton £18m plus carrick and see if they take it.. carrick is not worth much more than 7m honestly and everton was looking for about £25m..
Costas – Help me out mate, i’m losing the will to live, Bring him in, sell that one.
@Sayyid
Can’t see these 2 of those deals happening. Everton were rumored demanding 30 million for Rodwell and that’s too much. Silva is a good player, but if Ferguson wanted him, he would have made a move in the last 2 years. Milner seems like the most realistic one, whether we buy him straight up or offer Carrick. But, I have to say that I would be very surprised if Carrick left OT this summer. Just a hunch.
Apart from Milner, I’d expect most of the other signings to be in the Smalling, Hernandez mould.
Good to see some sense being written from the regulars.
Why rush him again, what the lad needs is some reserve games, a decent run at training, and most importantly a solid pre-season. He was our best player for a while, I still remember going bonkers when he scored a free kick in front of us all at the Stretford End against Arsenal.
Agree with GHTT – we can’t try to out guess SAF on injuries, he has shown that time and time again.
On the midfield front, I think we are a bit light, but no need to revamp with all the curtain signings. Valencia has done more than enough to show he can hold down the right wing for the next few years, another pre – season, and some coaching on his positioning to score more goals, and he’ll be among the most EFFECTIVE wingers in Europe. Then Fletcher on his day is just what we need in there, he has been MOTM in most of the big games this year, could just do with getting on the score sheet more often like at OT Vs City. Then I believe there is a gap for an other, Carrick has been solid for us since he joined, however the best 5 CM’s in the game can score goals as well as distribute posession well…. I’m talking the Xavi’s, Iniesta’s, Fabregas, maybe even Diego at Juve. We haven’t replaced Scholes’s abiltity to score the 10-15 goals a seaon Fergie was talking about in the interview. We need something…. Even just to make a statement. There are a lot of names being thrown around and personally I would love to see Gourcuff as every time I have watched him he has been class.
Milner would give us bags of energy and i don’t agree with the opinion he is not good enough, some of his goals have been very good, and he can cross with both feet, he is almost a younger Hargo.
LUHG.
@willierednut
Lol. Sell Berbatov and buy Emander.
*Elmander*
Damn, not even my keyboard wants him.
I hope Sir Alex is joking. The only one of our midfielders who would get into the starting 11 of any other big club is fletcher.
@ Giles Oakley
Brilliant post.
I hope Sir Alex is joking. The only one of our midfielders who would get into the starting 11 of any other big club is fletcher. We are very weak at the centre.
@ Giles Oakley
Brilliant post.
@Costas
Lets copy Chelsea and just buy the referees!!!
scum
at least the dippers are in complete dissarray
I think he’s accepting our fate for this season, no need to rush him back now for 4 games and risk him, more healing time the better, wait over summer and get a good pre-season with him.
God forbid we buy Milner..he’s a brilliant player for Villa but i don’t think he has what it takes for a club like United, i see him as a squad player for us which is not what we need.. Heaven knows we have enough of those
While im at it, some Cunt on another thread mis-quoted me and stated I said Fletcher wasn’t a class player. Can’t be bothered to find the thread but I’ve been meaning to say FUCK OFF PAL.
Fletcher IS a Class Player. Of course he is.
I just stated my opinion, which is Anderson and Hargreaves (both fit and in form) are the best MIDFIELD DUO we currently have. When Alec bought Hargreaves and Anderson, do you think he bought them to sit behind Carrick and Fletcher in the pecking order? In my personal opinion, our strongest MIdfield (when everybody is fit and in form) is easily Anderson and Hargreaves. They are both better player then their team mates IMO. That doesn’t mean Park, Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs or even Gibson are shit.
It just means I think Anderson and Hargreaves are our best CM players. Besides, in certain games starting with Park is a better option, likewise, Giggs may suit a particular occasion. We are a rotation Club so we need squad players in every postion to support whatever first team Alec builds. I think Ando and Hargo are our first team Duo in a 4-4-2. Christ if you disagree then debate but fuck off with the sly comments you sound like that Bird in the Adverts Bitching about the Jeans she could of bought.
IF YOU DISAGREE DEAL WITH IT OR DEBATE.
Not taken in to account any new signings, how about this line up for next season.
VDS RIO VIDA O’SHEA EVRA, FLETCH ANDO HARGO, NANI VALENCIA ROONEY 433
@Sayyid
Good idea. Easiest way to solve our problems.
About the Ronaldo money. Maybe Fergie opted to save it to see on which players he can rely on. In terms of ability and injury problems. So this could be the summer where he puts it to use. We’ve atlked about our problems in midfield and attack, but maybe we should take a look at the heart of defence. We have options(the two towers, Evans, Brown and now Smalling). So this could be the summer where we start preparing for the changing of the guard. Oliver Gill could be an option in the future too.
@lukemallia
he would be so useful when we have players injured suspended and out of form
he can play right back, left back, right midfiled, left midfield, central midfield and behind the striker
an attacking version of O’Shea!
if hargo is fit 4 sure we ll play lyon in semi champs league naxt week….
@Sayyid
Silva will not be available for £24mill. TWO summers back we had a £25mill offer initially accepted but then rejected. And Valencia have gone a bit mential with their asking prices (Turning down £45mill from Real and Barca for Villa last summer) and Silva has more intrest than when we put our previous bid in. I would be surprised if we got any change from £30mill for him.
Rodwell also imho is going to push £30mill. He is one of the hottest young English talents and English players are expensive. And Everton are great at getting every last penny out of deals. I also think we would face competition which will push the prices higher
willierednut.
How about:
VDS –
RAFAEL / VIDIC / RIO / EVRA
VALENCIA / HARGREAVES / ANDERSON / NANI
ROONEY / BERBATOV
I’ve been waiting to see that all Season !!!
If we don’t bring anybody else in, and Ando and Hargo are fit, I think this team is good enough to beat absolutely anybody. But if Berbatov couldn’t cut it in this team, with THAT midfield, then we’d have to say goodbye. I wouldnt be surprised if Alec starts like this next season, although, because of lessons learned though freak injuries maybe he will bring in another midfielder along with Hernandez? Who Knows. Can’t wait till next Season when everybody is back fit….
@Costas
“Silva is a good player, but if Ferguson wanted him, he would have made a move in the last 2 years”
Except he did as reported on teh BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/7556794.stm and it was later confirmed by the club
“Milner seems like the most realistic one, whether we buy him straight up or offer Carrick.”
The thing is while Milner is a good player I’m not sure he actually adds anything to the team. What we need is an attacking Midfielder who scores 10+ goals a season and Milner really doesn’t do that.
Wakey – Milner has started to add goals to his game this season and i’m not sure there’s that many goal scoring midfielders around Europe, Milner is less of a gamble than somebody from Italy, Spain etc.
@sayid
there’s no doubting he’s versatility but i think there is enough depth in the squad as we have a number of players that can play in more than one position, what i think we’re lacking is quality and that bit of wow factor, someone who can change the game on its head (apart from rooney) and milner doesn’t fit the bill imo
There’s too much emphasis on personel here and not enough emphasis on style. I believe that Barcelona are showing us the future of football with the fluent passing style of their midfield – they attack and defend as a whole unit and no player ever looks isolated or lacking options – no team in football works harder at getting, keeping and recovering the ball.
You can’t buy that kind of quality – you can only develop it in-house with years of patient and disciplined coaching. How come Barca can afford the luxury of playing 3 genuine strikers up front when United can only play 1 striker and 2 wingers? Because every time a player gets the ball he has 3 or 4 good options for a pass. I’m not saying Barca are the template for United to follow but I would cheerfully stick with the core of players we already have and try get them to play in a more disciplined manner than they have done this season – when you look at some of the absolute howlers we have let in this season we have let Chelsea off the hook big time!
I worry that Hargo is going to “be back soon” for the next 6 months before finally being back for real straight into retirement.
He is needed because Carrick is rubbished and on the way out.
eddieTheRed – you’re right mate, the way Barca play has made everyone else re – think about the way they’re playing. The closing down high up the pitch, retention of the ball and interchange of their front three. I can see the other top clubs trying to adopt similar tactics, but not everyone has Xavi, Iniesta and Messi.
I think Silva and Rodwell have to be the primary targets. If Silva is intent on going to Madrid, then we can’t do anything. Otherwise he can bring a lot of quality to the squad. I know Rodwell is talked about as a defensive mid or center back, but he doesn’t look bad going forward either. We have enough squad players, now we need to invest in some real quality.
Paul Parker – Do you not think O’shea is ahead of Rafa at the minute, and will Berba still be at the club next season?
BBC reports that United are being linked with a move for Stephen Ireland?
Poss fergie not wanting him to play in world cup so fresh for us next season?…
not one to criticize the gaffer but he seems to have a reluctance to admit something is wrong with the midfield and that changes need to be made, not necessarily new players but the simple fact that they are not playing no where near how they should be at a club like United, Mind boggling
@Paul Parker – great line-up. it’s my dream line-up also. only one issue – Fletch deserves to be there too so Hargo will have to fight for his place.
“Can’t wait till next Season when everybody is back fit…”
remember many of us saying last summer how Hargo and Brown would be like new signings etc.
Look what we’ve got this season. Fitness of some players had better be assessed and the methods of our medical team also. We can’t afford this injury nightmare anymore because we won’t have 2-3 teams anymore.
Fergie has said that Gibson could be our goal scoring midfielder. 6 goals this season in fuck all appearances says he could be right. And for those saying his game is lacking I disagree. Darren is gonna turn into a top midfielder. A big strong lad, rocket of a shot, can pass superbly and gets about. Give him games and he will flourish. I thought he was excellent against Bayern.
The more I watch Milner I don’t rate him. A poor mans Fletcher and Gibson will outshine him. Will offer NOWT to United.
@eddieTheRed
If Ireland was any good, City wouldnt sell him to us anyway
Barca played Real without a single striker but their system is the best in the world. Would the likes of Busquestes and Pedro get into our team..probably not…but they have a successful system and intelligent players
They beat Real without Henry, Zlatan and Iniesta (sub only)
and now he says Gibson is our new scholes. substance over style seems to be his MO in the midfield.AARGH. i hope the coaching staff have a plan up their sleeves to make these players because i get the feeling he isn’t looking to add reinforcements in that department
Carrick won’t be going anywhere and nor should he. Fcuk me.
Sayyid
Ireland is very good , but city will sell him because his attitude sucks he thinks he’s the greatest there is on a team and better than everyone there is so much heat on him at city and in the ireland drssing room ive been told its crazy. there is talk of him going over seas to start fresh. heres hoping he could tell the FAI another granny died so he can get a flight overseas for free
@ Sayyid
Fair comment!
Paul Parker – You DID infact say “Fletcher is a squad player”. I vividly remember it.
@ WillieRedNut,
Nah, I do think Rafael should be ahead of O’Shea, the only problem I have with Raf’s game is the almost inevitable card he receives every game! But thats down to experience, and even though (imo) he wasn’t to blame for our Euro exit I think he’s learned alot from that. For me Rafael is first choice RB next season. O’Shea is a great squad player who can cover many roles, but playing him week in week out with Rafael on the bench doesn’t make sense. Fabio should be used more to rest Evra as well imo, I can see that happening next season too. Evra covers so much grond each and every game, so Alec won’t want to run him into the ground, theres no need with Fabio available.
As for Berbatov, its tricky, because Alec might keep him or he might say FUCK IT and sell him.
We know Alec is stubborn, and to be fair Anderson and Hargreaves were huge components of his plan this Season, more so than or other Midfielders (imo) So I think Alec will want to have everybody fit and playing together before he sells Berbatov. Dimmi hasn’t had the right Midfield to suit him, and even though its exposed how SHALLOW AND LIMITED his game actually is, I think Alec will probably wait until next season before making a final decision on Berbatov. That formation I posted would be 100% fine with me next Season, and should suit Berbatovs game as well, especially if we bought another special Midfielder as cover / someone to draft into the squad because lets face it Hargo wont last forever unfortunately.
Every position has cover, Hernandez has given us another dimension, and a new midfielder will add much needed depth – that first team would be a threat to anybody.
But then again, Alec may sell Berbatov and buy Benzema ! (I’d happily have him at or Club btw, its not his fault Madrid paid way more then he was worth) So you never know. But the best part about the formation I posted is it wouldn’t cost another PENNY, I’d be happy with that, as long as we have cover or either Ando and Hargo should things go tits up again….
Anderson is not fit to lace fucking Fletchers boots. Thank fuck Fergie is the manager and not some on here.
@King Eric – i think Ando should play as a AM. it is more about Fletch against Hargo and Hargo will have to fight for his place in the squad.
Corea – go into yetsredays blog on Berbatov and answer my post from 9.34am this morning – you cant state things like you did implying I said something that I didnt.
King Eric says:
Paul Parker – You DID infact say “Fletcher is a squad player”. I vividly remember it.
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I did indeed, in fact I said in AGAIN above your post today.
But context is everything King Eric, because in the very same post your referring to I went on to say that Darren Fletcher is a very class / quality / insert complimentary word here / player for us, but I feel that a fully fit Hargreaves and a fully fit Anderson offer us more. End Of.
firslty thats my opinion, but more importantly, its not an insult to Fletcher at all, so anybody who takes it as an insult should…. well I don’t know really?
But I will simplify it for you – FIT HARGREAVES OR FIT ANDERSON > FIT FLETCHER.
In my most humblest of humble opinions.
Besides, I distinctly remember leaving a disclaimer incase anybody lost sleep over what I said. The disclaimer went something like ” thats not to say Fletcher is a shit player, not at all, he’s Great, I just think that when everybody is fit Anderson and Hargreveas are better players”
…and thats my opinion – but feel free to retrieve my post and prove me wrong if you feel some kind of way about it. Im not sure if you do, that would be really silly.
Like I said, context is Key.
For instance somebody could use this post and allege I said HARGREAVES IS A FIT BLOKE
The Red Knights are to finalise an offer for the club at the end of the season.
@willierednut
what is the point
the club will still be in debt, as they will be keeping the bond issue, which we would have to pay back
I agree with king eric that we shouldnt sell carrick but i have to admit he has been a disappointment this season with his inconsistent performances. He gets caught out too often. If we sign another mid or ando and gibson step up carrick will spend most of his time on the bench next season
@ manchuchu
that’s unfortunately exactly what i dread will happen – Hargreaves’ return put back and back and back until eventually it all goes quiet, then Dean Ashton-style it’s revealed they’d agreed his retirement months ago and were sorting out pay offs/insurance etc. i sincerely hope it doesn’t happen because i love the guy and think he’s a top top player
King Eric says:
Anderson is not fit to lace fucking Fletchers boots. Thank fuck Fergie is the manager and not some on here.
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I have no problem with you saying that, its a little harse bt its your opinion.
But tell me, aint you the same fella who had a heart attack over something somebody else said abot Berbatov or Alec ? I could be wrong but im sure it was you ? Eitherway.
Anderson is clearly a class player.
Fletcher is also a class player, who has played way more United football than Anderson, but early on he performed “less than great” did he not? and Keane let him know. Now look at Fletcher play. Nani pissed off many supporters, perhaps you included, now look at him ? PURE GOLD. Valencia was apparently out of his depth but for long periods he was our best Player along with Rooney. And if Berbatov turns out to be a big game player which he has NEVER BEEN for us, then I will be the first to jump up and admit I gave up on him too soon. I’ve been doubting him since Feb.
But anyway my point is, Anderson hasn’t set the world alight, BUT, when he has played well, and when he has performed, he, in my opinion, has been better going forward then Fletcher.
Also, when Hargreaves was fit, he was miles better than Fletcher, does that make Fletcher a piss poor cunt we should sell tomorrow? Of course not. Does it mean Fletcher isn’t a class player. Of course not. It simply means that Hargreaves is a better player… in my opinion of course.
But theres no need to put Andersons name in a post like that, is there?
Christ, you might need a time out Pal. Relax. Its just opinions, really think you have the answer?
I’m just the messenger Sayyid. @AIG Agree mate, It’s not that Carrick was never good, he’s come to a full stop in his United career imo. If saf keeps him i’ll still support him, but there will be pressure form Ando and Gibbo next season for his position.
jiust watching sky sports news breaking news is source says red knights hopeful terms offer for manchester united united bid will be finalised this weak. but no formal bid expected untilend of the season. dont make sence to team this story
*from*
Hi guys
just read an interview by SAF stating that Gibson could be the next Scholes. http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2557/news/2010/04/14/1878048/sir-alex-ferguson-darron-gibsons-goals-make-him-the-new-paul
This could be true, I know some fans think Gibson has “only” got a shot to his game. But hey in the last two seasons, Gibson has shown that as a midfield player he can score goals. This is what we
need. And i will believe SAF, because he sees him in training every day and has seen his game develop. Look how much flack Fletcher used to get in those early dark days, when no body rated him except SAF? I think we just need to be patient and support this guy when he plays. To me, he will offer a lot more than Carrick. For starters, not only does he have a powerful shot in the Scholes mould, but he can also pass long distance. Plus he has the United mentality that will to win and hunger to improve on his game and not be phased in playng BIG matches. The same as Fletcher in that respect.
We saw in the first half against Bayern what he could do. The midfield jigsaw puzzle is near completion. With Fletcher, Gibson and either Hargreaves (fully fit please!) or Anderson. With
Tom Cleverley and Possebon on the bench. If SAF does by a midfield player then the German international Hamsik would be priority or the Belgium lad Steven Defour – both creative and young and first team regulars.
It’s not all doom and gloom, and I just think the team needs tweaking. With Welbeck, Kiko and Diouf
as Ole Gunnar Solsjkaer said in another interview, that these 3 players could make it at United. http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/36833/Treble_hero_retains_confidence_in_Macheda_Welbeck__Diouf_.aspx
Plus we already have Smalling and Hernandez, and i think that we’ll probably see more players leaving than coming in.
So here’s my possible line up for the 11/12 season.
VDS
O’Shea Vidic, Rio, Evra
Gibson Fletcher Anderson
Nani Valencia
Rooney
and if he does decide to go 442
VDS
O’Shea Vidic, Rio, Evra
Nani Flecther Hargreaves Valencia
Hernandez Rooney
Players sold: Berbatov, Carrick and Owen
Players bought: Hamsik, Milner plus the two we just purchased.
from the red knights
The last I heard, the Red Knights were preparing a package to present to Wealthy Individuals and Companies to invite them to invest in the take over of Manchester United.
Not sure about you, but the thought of a collation of Coca Cola, Disney, BSB SKY, Enron and Northern fucing Rock doesn’t exactly fill me with much optimism in these days and times.
I get the Beef with Glazier but Christ, who wants to see us carved up into a million pieces?
The Red Knights are Bastards, because if 10 separate investors come up with the money, and the Glaziers somehow sell, all 10 investors will want a return, some may just want Stadium name rights, some may want Shirt Sponsorship some may want an annual Far East Tour, some may want a say in how the Club is run. Eitherway they’ll all expect their POUND OF FLESH from our Club.
I’d consider ONE wealthy individual buying out Glazier, but come on, the Red Knights are clutching at straws. Not sure what Sky News are reporting but the last I heard Red Knights are preparing to approach various potential investors, they don’t have ANY links to United mind you, but they are approaching people about bying our Club.
….and people scream Glazier is a Parasite, then what the FUCK does that make the Red Knights?
@Paul Parker
Spot on about these City investors
They are the same as the Glazers but the problem will be much worse
They need to say what their plan is
who will be chariman, whats the role of all the Knights, what power do they have?
not just midfield that we need strengthening……it is quite clear that Berba has not been able to reproduce his form in Spur since arriving Old Tradford. we don’t need a sub who cost 30millionpound, do we? he has to go and hopefully get some cash back in on his disposal. Benzema could be a bargain given the fact that he hasn;t had much chance in Real…
David Villa is 28 already….
Hunterlaar? maybe, at least he is young…
For midfield, i would certainly go for Van der Vaat who has done well for Real when KaKa is sidelined.
@willie
exactly mate.its just that he hasnt used his excellent through balls and wide range of passing this season.also gets outmuscled too easily like in the goals against dippers and bayern at home.
He has been a good signing.the fact that we have had good success since he joined means he has contributed something different to this team.
@North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row – done.
@ paul parker
my thoughts exactly mate , i just cant see it working and i really cant see the yanks selling to them either , i dont want them anywhere near our club , there was talk a few weeks back about that slimeball pini zahavi trying to broker a deal for 2 billionaire asains , something like that , that would be better to me , 1 maybe 2 rich owners but deffo not 40 + , picture them around a table arguing and trying to get what they all want ???? impossible , also in my eyes its wrong trying to get the fans to boycott , if the fans want to do that , its up to them , but not because they are told to , i dont like them at all and can see it ending badly if they do , but if the glazers give any hint of a sale im sure there would be many other parties very interested they would not have to take any old offer .
While the Red Knights’ motives are probably not entirely selfless, it’s a bit of a stretch to say they “will be much worse” than the Glazer cunts.
The Glazers have shown nothing less than utter contempt for Manchester United fans and have now revealed their true attitude towards investing in the team by pocketing the Ronaldo money and telling Fergie to shop around for bargains like fucking Owen and Diouf.
@Wakey
We have been linked with Silva an awful lot since Euro 2008. I didn’t know that we made an actual offer. I thought we only had eyes for Berbatov in the summer of 2008. Thanks for reminding. Don’t know how much Fergie would still be interested now though. Silva can play as a winger and a supportive striker and we are not in the market for either position.
As far as Milner, some fans have gone back and forth on this this season. At the start I didn’t want him, but I think that he can be a good addition. At the moment, it’s hard to perform in that Villa side. Everyone has been feeling sorry for themselves for the last 2 months. He won’t be a goalscoring midfielder, but do we really need one? Personally, I think we just need good workers in there that will allow us to keep possesion and create openings for our strikers and wingers. We won’t have a 10+ goal midfielder, but we will have Carrick, Fletch, Gibson and (maybe) Milner who will score 4-6 goals in a season.
Lastly, I wanted to say thanks for one of the posts you wrote after I left. It kind of put things in perspective. And you were right about what you’ve gone through from some.
I would like to commend Scott for this article. I often complain when his articles are overly rose-tinted so it’s only fair that I praise him for this very incisive article.
I love them to bits but if I see the names of Giggs and Scholes on the team sheet this Saturday morning I’ll fucking cringe.
I’d like to see Catermole though. The guys resembles Keane a bit.
Milner and Cattermole are not United quality. Let’s aim a bit higher, eh?
TheRadlegion – Cattermole resembles keane, i would say he looks nothing like him.
Agree with some of the posters on here, especially Paul Parker re Anderson and Hargreaves. That midfield combination was fearsome in the golden days of 2007/08, and coincided with many of our best performances that season.
Having said that, since then Fletcher has evolved into our most important midfielder. That isn’t the fault of Ando or Hargo: the former has been injured and denied regular playing opportunities, while the latter has obviously been injured.
In my opinion, then, these are our three most effective central midfielders, and the way they play complements each other and the team (busy, fast-paced, hard in the tackle but also able to drive the team forward). For me, in every game you would want two of these three playing, with either Hargo just behind Fletcher, Fletcher just behind Anderson, or Hargo just behind Anderson. Fergie loves rotating the central midfielders, so this wouldn’t be a problem.
4-5-1 has worked very well for us when deployed with two energy men in the centre (think CL semi v. Arsenal last year (Ando and Fletch) or Milan at home this year (Fletch and Park)).
But to complement the energy of whichever two are picked we then need someone with more poise, vision, and more of a goalscoring touch (even though I expect Anderson to start scoring prolifically at some point!). Essentially, a younger Scholes.
This is such a key position, as it’s the position that creates the most chances (or at least should be doing so). Looking at the players we have currently:
Carrick: Poor season, admittedly plays best when an energy man does the dirty work for him, but is too slow paced and doesn’t score enough.
Gibson: Great goalscoring record, and certain one to keep around. His all-round play is yet to convince me that he should be starting for us in this pivotal position. Yet…
Giggs: Can, at times, play this role sublimely. But we can’t rely on him to keep going forever, as recent weeks have shown.
Scholes: Same thing really. And he likes to play deeper now anyway.
Cleverley, Possebon, Petrucci: A bit young and inexperienced to pin so much on.
It doesn’t have to be a conventional midfielder, but perhaps a second striker that plays this role. So, we look to options there:
Berbatov: I agree with Paul Parker here. If Berb’s going to work, this is the position he should at least be given a chance in. Playing Giggs and Scholes behind him, as against Blackburn, will never work, as he needs players running around him all the time, so he can play them in. Playing him as the creator in a team full of running (Rooney, Nani, Valencia, and two out of Anderson/ Hargreaves/ Fletcher) could just work. If it doesn’t, then classy as the guy is, I think we might just have to admit that he doesn’t fit our system.
Owen, Macheda, Welbeck, Hernandez: All play higher up the pitch. We want more of a creator in this position.
So we’re left relying on the oldies (we can’t do that), youngsters who are yet to prove themselves (normally I approve of that – I think Rafael should definitely be given the nod at right back – but this position is too key to take a risk on) or Berbatov, who could work a treat but we can’t pin all our hope on this working, and, moreover, much would depend on who plays behind him (what if Hargreaves/ Anderson are injured again?).
So we need to invest. In my opinion, this position could make all the difference, and instead of just buying loads of £10-£15m rated youngsters (as much as I like these signings) we should splash out as much as is required on a real superstar. I’d like Schneider, but there are other good suggestions on here too.
I expect most of the business to be done by the World Cup. SAF has already shown he doesn’t like the idea his targets to perform well in world cups. Too many FM-ruled clubs get interested.
This is with regard to Milner, Silva,Gourcuff,Hamsic,Krasic and whoever else we are supposed to be signing. I don’t expect more than one midfielder though and maybe a striker swap
@Kosio – you’re spot-on but I don’t think that will matter anyway; the kind of players we’ll be signing aren’t likely to be playing at this or any other World Cup…
(Only joking!)
(Well, half-joking.)
One player who’ll certainly be playing at the World Cup is the one and only CHICHARITO!!!
I’m looking forward to seeing our new striker in action – to be perfectly honest, I wish this season would hurry up and end.
@ Fred
Is there an Under 21 WC this summer then?
The only way I’ll see Hargreaves returning is if the league is out of reach come the Stoke game, very much like Scholes in 2006. As for his statement about alternatives in midfield, as wiley as Fergie is nobody is going to believe that. Lets just hope Carricks season is just a blip. He’s probably taken his place for granted as he has been awesome 3/4 seasons, new blood may give him the kick up the arse that he needs.
NRD – Of course Fergies playing mind games regarding Hargo, but some balloons are suggesting that he’s lost the plot, because he said we’ve got options in midfield. I think saf knows we’re short in midfield and expect him to buy a midfielder in the summer.
Must admit I’m really worried about all this! There are so many if”s and maybe’s about the current squad that if SAF doesn’t strengthen substantially in the summer we could be in serious trouble next year.
Hargo – our best defensive CM, really missed him this season but doesn’t look hopeful for next. decision needs to be made and a replacemnt found if necessary.
Fletch – nuff said!
Anderson – sometimes world class but often bottom class. Will this time on the treatment table enable him to sort his attitude out and achieve what we know he can. I still have doubts.
Scholes – luv him to bits and feel he still has a role to play next year. I just don’t understand the system we play when he’s in the team. He always sits in fornt of the back four and we have the other CM (usually Carrick or Fletch) pushing fwd. Doesn’t make sense! We have our most creative player (and least mobile) doing the holding role whilst our best holding player (Fletch) is pushing fwd! Scholes would have much more time & space if it was the other way around, wouldn’t get caught out so much and be able to create things at the other end.
Gibson – still not sure about him but worth giving a chance next year
Carrick – agree he hasn’t really evolved much over the last 2 yrs and we should cash in on him. Falls between 2 stools for me – not mobile or strong enough for the holding role and not creative enough going fwd.
One thing is certain – we need to improve the squad as a whole. It’s all very well picking eleven and saying “what about this team then” but when have we ever been able to field the best 11 on a regular basis. You can bet your life at least one or two of our squad will be injured for large periods of next season – someone always is! We need goood cover and the likes of Brown, Park and O’Shea are simply not good enough. IMO we should sell them and get someone else in.
As regards the Red Knights, I reckon we need to get behind them. For 5 years we’ve wanted the Glazers out and now someone comes along who’s actually prepared to do soemthing and you don’t want to support them. They can’t be any worse for the club and, being as most are Utd supporters, we’ve got to believe they will have the clubs interest at heart. If I had the money I would join them – would that make me a parasite?
willieredneut- I hope he buy a midfielder, but we can’t go for none of this up and coming bollocks. These signings are great but we need the finished article. I think Gibson should play a lot more, people all on here calling him one dimensional, well what a dimension to have scoring goals! The fact he’s scored 6 and is 1 behind Valencia despite only playing a fraction of the games is enough to put him in the team.
@NotoriousRedDevil
I agree, we have no other player who shoots from outside the box
even wayne has stopped
i know it sounds simple but all we need is for our midfiled to find Gibson space so he can shoot. The opposition will be so scared to close him down, that it will give us the option to use him as a decoy and cross the ball in to the free striker, rather than drag it back to Gibson
If he has 5 shots a game, he’ll probably score 1 and over time he’s going to improve with confidence
@kosio- “Is there an Under 21 WC this summer then?”
Too cryptic even for an intellectual heavyweight like me. Care to explain?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoBU8Munb9k self advertising
About the Anderson/ Hargo debate – I was a big big fan of anderson when we first signed him but I haven’t seen what I expected from him for the club. I thought we were signing a brazilian attacking midfielder, somehow we’ve ended up with a defensive midfielder and to say his goalscoring record is woeful is an understatement, 1 goal in 2 years just doesn’t cut it. Next year is going to be make or break for him
As for Hargo, its been 2 years since we’ve seem him play..i’m surprised we still remember what position he plays in ! Joking aside after being ruled out for 2 years with that injury I doubt if he’ll be back and if he does come back I can guarantee that he’s not going to be the same player he was before he was injured, especially for a combative player like him so don’t pin your hopes on him
Someone mentioned buying Snejider..FORGET IT! Inter just boght him last season and he’s been their best performer there’s no chance they’re gonna let him go.Personally I’d like to see more flair from our midfield so whilst one midfielder can be anderson/hargreaves/fletcher/carrick the other one has to be a more creative type. I wouldnt look much further than Kun Aguero
Surely our midfield’s problems and inadequacies are Berbatov’s fault. I bet his real last name is Glazer, too.
GOURCUFF, please!
@lukemallia
Aguero is a striker and far too overpriced. Can’t see Fergie splashing on him.
well i think silva will come to united he said last octobor he could not turn down a move to man united if they canme for him. personaly jiust what we need sonme to create goals. we already have goals scores in rooney berbatov diouf the new boy and now. fergie do what evere to takes to get silva. not long now to spurs and arseanl i dont who i go for i rather see arseanl win the league instead of chelsea but i rather see spurs win cos were still i n the title race and give thenm confiedence they can beat chelsea on saturday so come on spurs help us win 4 th ttitle belive dont give up yet
Sanj, we should have got Gourcuff last summer when he went to Bordeaux for around £12m He would probably cost nearly double that now. Never mind, we got Obertan for a bargain £3m.
We probably can’t afford Silva. Besides, I’ve heard Real Madrid are now after him. He’d probably rather stay in Spain.
Oh I agree Carrick’s form in the main has been poor. For absolutely no reason either. Reckon Fergie will stick with him though as when he is playing well United tick over.
Paul Parker – Fair enough fella but have to disagree. Fletch aside from Rooney is the FIRST name on the team sheet. An outstanding midfielder. Anderson has done nowt to warrant starting over him and to be honest neither has Hargreaves due to his ridiculous lay off.
Paul Parker – I had a heart attack over summat someone said about Fergie or Berbatov? No not at all, on the contrary. I was away in Scotland and like I said last night I am having less time on here as over the last week it has been infested with cunt’s. Not you by the way mate.
Paul Parker – You asked me to chill out and clam down. Thats rich having read some of your posts.
*calm*
Said it earlier but we have a goal scoring midfielder right in front of our eyes . Darren Gibson. I have slated him at times but his performances this season have improved ten fold. Was good at Upton Park, against Spurs and particularly last week. ONLY 22. Was watching him organise the lads and the wall on Saturday and he ain’t afraid to let his voice be heard. There are not many midfielders that can hit the net like him. His passing is also top drawer. Persevere with him and we have a proper midfielder on our hands. Mark my words.
How good was Becks and to a lesser extent Scholes doing at 21/22?
Silvas like Rooney, a home – bird. he’ll stay in Spain.
Fred – Too cryptic? I think Kosio meant “An under 21 world cup”!!
Hernandez is a full international now I believe with 4 in 4.
King Eric – Agree about Gibbo, don’t think other aspects of his game are as bad as some fans make out.
might not swap berbatov for silva if we cant afford him everyone would be a winner. also i jiust read real madrid owner has said he id ready to sell benzenma and man united are the favouriset to sing him for 17 million. which madrid played 35 millilon nearly hope the story is turu
Hernandez has scored 4 in 4 for the national team not the u 21 mexican team.England play mexico on 23rd may at wembley in a friendly so we will be able to see him up close for the first time. he is also expected to make their WC Squad
With all due respect that is such a short sighted comment, I sincerely hope it is just a smokescreen and nothing else. The last 4 games have shown how we have missed his stability in the centre of midfield.
AIG – Thats not bad is it, 4 goals in 4 starts for Mexico . He also has 21 goals from 28 starts for his club.
Fred, yeah I know we missed the boat on Gourcuff last summer, Sneijder too. I was hoping we’d face Bordeaux in the CL semifinal and he would be amazed at the fortress that is Old Trafford and want to join United. I guess that’s what dreaming is for.
@willie
Its an excellent record. 21 goals from 28 starts is this season. Otherwise it is 28 goals from 64 games overall. However he is very highly rated in mexico and people are impressed by his improvement this season. Feels he is made for the the top and SAF got him because his value was certain to rise after the WC
Yeah, thats this season and someone posted last week that they had seen him play in America, and said he has pace to burn.
To be honest I don’t care if he doesn’t feature in of any the last 4 games, I just hope he doesn’t go to the WC. All he needs is a full pre-season and he will be ready to fight back for a place in the first team.
I really hope Fergie does something about the midfield/midfielders. Maybe tell Ando your last chance to prove you’re worthy of a place in the first team is next season. Tell Gary to kick Carrick up the ass. We didn’t see any goods from him for the majority of this season. We can’t rely on Fletcher every time, and Giggs and Scholes will only get older. I repeat, the only money we should spend this summer is on a creative AM and a young GK.
Milner, I think he will, at best be a squad player, he is a typical english player, hardworking, does what you ask of him and nothing less. But what we need is someone with flair, who can pick out a pass to send an attacking players free, and from what I seen of Milner, he does not offer that.
@sanj
i think aguero would fight right in to the 451/433 system assuming fergie decides to stick with him. You’re right though dont see SAF splashing out on him
Sanj – well I blame the midfields lack of domminance and strength to play a 2 man midfield and uniteds formation change why berbatov has struggled, imagine united wih a domminating midfield berbatov has the platform to show his talents and united can play with 2 strikers. I think berbatov will go down in united history has perhaps one of the unluckies players to ever wear a red shirt.
on hargreaves he may play in the home games you never know and the BOSS is thinking that.
but to help the backup strikers playing 433/451 is not doing them any favours and it is not the way foward for united unless you have the talent in midfield of a barcelona
I guess the whole world agrees we need a creative midfielder, and preferably a finished article. Lets make up a list and remarks
1) Sneijder (Wont be coming unless Mourinho brings him in)
Silva (Pint sized wide player, might not be able influence play as much compared to a central player)
2) Gourcuff (Blanc could bring him in together? Last season he was terrific, but this season he has been quiet)
3) Modric (Levy will ask for the heavens for this guy even if he is just rated as above average)
4) Joe Cole (He is getting very injuring prone if anyone noticed, I wouldnt touch him even for free)
5) Milner (Hardworking lad, but lacks the flair we crave for)
6) Van der Vaart (He looks like a poor man’s Sneijder)
7) Hamsik (Havent seen him play, no comments)
Anyone else?
Also 1 more thing, we desperately need someone who can take a good free kick and corner…….
King Eric – just caught up on these threads, its crossed wires (again)
So don’t worry about it, from the looks of these threads today and yesterday at least 4/5 others have done the same thing and sorted it out. Guess it shows we’re all passonate about United. Anybody who wasn’t would swiftly be identified and told to fuck off anyhow. Hope you enjoyed Bonnie Scotland.
But for the record, when I described Fletcher as a Squad Player, I meant that in a 4-4-2 we have Carrick Fletcher Anderson Gibson Hargreaves Scholes and Park all competing for TWO spaces, and im probably forgetting somebody as well….
Now, my personal preference in a 4-4-2 would be Hargo and Ando, so in my eyes, everybody else is a squad player. But of course, Alec rotates everybody to keep everybody fresh – SO EVERYBODY IS A SQUAD PLAYER AT UNITED, even King Rooney. That should uncross that wire.
As for Anderson, for me he’s the creative midfielder everybody claims we need to buy.
For starters I’d love to know WHICH midfielder we could possibily bring in better then him. Its like a few weeks ago when people on here said we needed a new winger because Nani is shit, but if Real Madrid bought Nani tomorrow what player would we replace him with? He’s that important to us. I was telling people on here the same thing ages ago, and thank God I was right, If only I was right about backing Berbatov on here too aye? Back to Anderson, yes he’s been underperforming, but just like Nani and even Fletcher I think he will prove his doubters wrong. So yes, in response to your post, I think Anderson is more then capable of “cleaning Fletchers Boots”, as you put it, personally I think he’s capable of sticking them right up Flecthers arse but thats just me mate
looks like Arsenal have lots to do if they want our Second Spot tonight.
My God, if we had a bit more about us this Season we would have been miles clear by now.
I thought that Head to Head Liar debate was tonight, guess I’ll have to watch the game….
Thank God for spurs
If Spurs want anything out the game vs chelski they can’t play Gudjohnsen, he’ll throw the game,
cant believe modrics first touch there.. awful
Paul Parker – “lace Fletchers boots ” not clean!.
Oh don’t get me wrong Paul I actually like Ando but just don’t think he is in the same league as Fletcher YET. He is still very young and has shown great signs but his performances this season have been patchy at best, Spurs away aside. Just hope he gets his head down and develops into the player we hope he can be. Pacy, strong, energetic and can pick a pass. Needs to learn the basics and he will. Look like he could lose a pound or two though.
here one ashely young. if you dont get silva then young would be ideal, he only coast 20 million plus we could offer carrick for young
Does anybody think that this takeover bid will have an affect on our transfer activity. It’s gonna be some long drawn out bullshit. The glazers aren’t gonna want to spend the guts of maybe the 70 mill we need to strengthen and keep up with the jones’. It’s undeniable that we need a bit of true world class talent to freshen up because we do look a bit thin for our ambitions. They won’t spend when they’re gearing up for squeezing every last penny out of our club.
Scott were you not just saying the other day that we shouldnt be on our players cases in relation to Berbatov? Youve just slated every central midfielder in the squad wit exception of fletch!!!!
Guess that Owen would be useful at this stage of the season but i bet fergie is lying why don’t he tell us the truth about hargreaves ……been injured for so long don’t think he’ll be back…..an option would be send him to train with Everton they did a miracle with Saha …..he was always injured with us look at him now
@King Eric
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Don’t you have an impression that some people are more interested in guessing who we buy/sell this summer than watching how we’ll finish season?
And BTW: I’ve watched Tottenham yesterday: they are more than capable of beating Chelsea. So I really believe that season is not over, and we can still win 4th championship in a row.
And that’s more important for me than speculations about silva, milner, hamsik etc, etc (BTW: did anyone actualy saw Hamsik playing, or just read his stats from Football Manager
@PHZ
everyone here is not a fool to name players from tabloids or fantasy manager. Of course i have seen Hamsik and gourcuff play.
The season is as good as over and it will be a 2nd place finish . Spurs will bottle it against chelsea, they were poor against a understrength arsenal side yesterday.
After his comeback in a Reserves match ,or whatever you guys want to describe it,he mentioned something about feeling pain and having pain killing injections before games.He also said that ,had he not had this ongoing problems with pain,he would have returned much much earlier.Then and before the Chelsea game,SAF said that we now have both players(Hargo and O’shea) available and we may used someone in the CL and the other against Chelsea.Hargo was withdrawn from reserves games to continue his “full training” with the first team!!!!???
this is becoming frustrating ,simply because hargo is so much missed and having in the team is essential.
Get back soon hargo.
LUHG
i herd todat micheal ballack contract is up in the summer would not be bad sing.
@aig alex is god
If you read all the post you’ll find enough player’s names to make new first 11 of United, and even a few more. From GK to strikers, and all midfield and defense.
And I think that our team is not THAT bad! For god;s sake: we’ve got decent goalie, defense and forwards. We’ve got wingers and brilliant CM in Fletcher. We don’t have to behave like City: dreaming of buying whole new squad!
I understand everyone wants United to be stronger next year. But when I’m reading about whole bunch of great midfielders and forwards we should buy (in one post!) – it makes me mad.
I’ve read your comments, and I know you’re reasonable lad, but some people here behave like kids in a toy shop!
And that’s what I’m laughing at!
PS. I hope Chelsea will blew it, but I have to admit it’s a slim hope.
@PHZ
fair enough mate.
i myself get angry reading a few posts and of course we dont need a mass upheaval or anything, a few signings and we will be on track.. People mentioning names dosent irk me that much to be honest its when everyone says sell this player, he is shte it gets really annoying. This isnt fantasy football and some of the names mentioned like villa are not worth the price when you think of it logically
@aig alex is god
You’re right. This season is disappointment, but we played a few months without our defense. Fulham and Villa in december: six points we are short of now. Bayern: lack of concentration rather than lack of quality.
So, as you said: we don’t need a mass upheaval!
@PHZ
yes mate. however i think we had a good enough team to beat burnley and villa, Those games will cost us. we should have won those.No doubt injuries have decimated us at times and also dont forget the rentboyz have got so many favourable dcisions their way. that will make a difference too.
I am sure SAF will get the things sorted this summer and we will see a much improved united next season
@aig alex is god
spot on, mate!