Michael Owen will be hoping for a run out against Hull today, when considering United have to face City in the League Cup semi-final and Arsenal in the league next week.
Wayne Rooney and Dimitar Berbatov have been keeping him out of the team for most of the season, with the manager not keen on the idea of playing Owen and Rooney together. Maybe after a few nice link ups on Tuesday, the boss will see it differently.
Owen has today revealed that Rooney comes to ask him for advice at half time, after hearing what Sir Alex has to say.
“He likes listening to my opinion at half-time in games,” said Owen. “After the manager says his piece, Wayne for some reason will walk over and we’ll talk. If he has a problem I’ll give my opinion. It’s a team game, but compared to a goalkeeper or a right-back a striker is doing totally different things. Not everyone understands how it feels.”
In his days at Liverpool, Owen won the UEFA Cup and European Super Cup, so winds up his current team mates over how impressive his medal collection will be when United win more trophies.
“I say to the lads, ‘I’ve won a lot of the smaller ones as well, like the Uefa Cup’, which they’ll never win because they’re always in the Champions League. I say, ‘If we win another league it’ll just be another one for you, but I’ll have the clean sweep.’”
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/23/michael-owen-manchester-united-england-interview
Full interview here. He also mentions the reason why Fergie doesn’t play him and Wayne together.
poor michael ..i dont knw y ferguson is not starting him in alternative matches by resting rooney or berba… he is 30 already and is his last chance to play in world cup.. i wonder y fergie signed him if not to let let him play.. he is too good to warm the bench..
I love that!!! ” . . . like the UEFA Cup’, which they’ll never win because they’re always in the Champions League”
Are you listening liverpool?
Have a lot of respect for Michael. He has conducted himself like a real gentleman. I hope he starts today.
An Owen and Diouf combination would be good to see. At least for some point in the game. Maybe Rooney to start, then substitute him if/when we are comfortable?
he needs to be given a run of 5 or so consecutive games in this time im sure is goal ratio would be impressive.The only way rooney/owen partnership would work is surely by trying it for a few games.
One thing about owen in the short space of time we have seen him on the pitch is the goal scoring positions he gets himself in to,with a run of games im certain most of these would be converted
I love how he indirectly pisses on Liverpool. He does that a lot.
I think that’s great news about Wazza asking for advise, it shows that Wazza is still open to learning new things and accepts criticism.
Michael Owen is basically an insurance policy – and a good value one at that. Can you imagine any other strikers of his standard (at least) appearing to be happy with keeping the bench warm. I reckon he’s far happier playing the cameo role at OT, rather than losing credibility whilst toiling week in/out in an inferior side.
When/if he is called upon for a sustained period e.g. due to injuries, I’m sure we’ll see a good return. The question then will be whether he readily accepts going back to the bench. His behaviour to date suggests that it won’t be an issue.
This is perhaps the downside of “pay as you play/score/assist/whatever”. Would we have seen more of Owen to date, if his contract was structured in the same way as most others at the club? And would this have improved any of our recent results?
In any case, back to the article itself – with advice/mentoring, his effect on Rooney off the pitch at United can only be positive .
Something else about Owen. The tabloids seem to “care” a lot about whether he makes it to the World Cup or how frustrated he is about it. I think it’s safe to say that if Owen was this desperate to go to the World Cup, then he would have chosen Hull over United.
dont think he’s happy playing é cameo role. but age has make him alot wiser in term of what to says. abit too politically correct in my opinion. anyhow, he’s a man utd player now & i definetly behing him. do like to see him have more playing time. slim chance for making é world cup with every passing min. fuck é world cup i say owen, é thoughts is affecting your form.
I know jersey’s number is just a number but for United the no 7 is something legendary, a first team and an important player’s number… so i can’t bear to watch him on the bench, considering the ability that Owen have… I agree with some of you saying Fergie should try a new combination like Owen-Rooney or Owen-Diouf… It’s not like Rooney and Berba make a good partnership anyway (hmm, probably sometimes…)
Sir Alex is right by playing Wayne and Berba. This is not the time for experimenting. We need points on the board…simple as. Mickey Owen is a quality striker….he needs to stay on the shoulder of the last striker. None of this dropping off bollox
I find this all very odd with the Rooney and Owen partnership.
Rooney doesnt sit on the last defender, Maybe i am missing something i know fergie wants to play him further forward but he doesnt!
Rooney likes ball to feet, he comes deepfor the ball. Simularly with Berbatov and in some games we have found both coming deep together!
For me what owen offers and i think if we have had a better run of results we would have see more of owen.
The idea of owen and the type of player he is, irrespective of who he previously played for or the fact he is not the player he once was.
Owen Sits on the last defender, Constantly looking for space to run behind the defenders, Looking to be slipped thorugh, Working effortlessly to make himself availble upfront and to find space as much as possible!
Partner this with rooney who likes to come deep, has a good creative side and it could only equal goals forme!
Maybe i am deluded i dont know!…
@JNandhi
No experimentation needed, berbatov hasnt excelled and i dont think much of a difference having him or owen on the pitch!
@Costas
With regarsd to owen choosing hull over united standing better chances of going to the world cup? i would have to disagree.
WHy?
Well think about it, he played for Newcastle a club which didnt have too much creative flair and his chances were few and far between. Hull to me are simular mold to Newcastle compared to United. Now at united whoever you are a stricker will always and we know always will get chances! Weighing this up he came to the conclusion that if he plays for united there is no way he cant score goals!
Add to this the importance of games, people generaly only remember the Big Matches. United every season are involved in big games, semi finals, cup finals and premiership challange so the focus would be on them!…
With regards to OWen and Diouf..
I cant quite see the sparkleing partnership forming.
I am a little old fashioned and i like to see complamenting Strikers.
Beardsley _ Shearer
Cantona – Cole
Hughes – Mclaire
Anelka – Drogba
Cole – Yorke
You have 2 strikers with differnt attributes, big guy – Quick guy, finisher – creater
I Dont think Owen and Diouf are creative enough, None better than reasonable in the air, both look simular players and born finishers.
I might be wrong!! we will see if it ever happens!
Trevor ur point is correct.
With owens runs behind he can actually occupy both the center backs.
so much space for rooney, giggs and valencia etc then.
with fletch and carrick in midfield that team should be given one game together and we would never go back.
anyone know a site streaming the game today?????
@trevor
In my opinion, players in these situations just want to play games. I feel that at Hull he would have played more games and that would have given Capello a dilemma. Andy Cole did the same back in 2002. He thought that more regular football at Blackburn would have persuaded Eriksson to pick him for the World Cup. It’s true that in a game with us, Owen will get at least double the chances, he would get with Hull. But he won’t play as much.
Look at Capello’s comments a few weeks back. He didn’t care that Michael has a good goalscoring ratio for us. He wanted him to have more starts. At the end of the day, it’s irrelevant. I think that Capello doesn’t see him as a player that can suit his formation and that won’t change no matter how many goals he scores from now on.
I like Owen’s Solskjaer attitude :”Yeah, I want to play a bit more but I’ve never once considered asking the manager, ‘Can I play in this game?’ or telling him I think I should play more, because I knew what I was buying into. I’m totally comfortable with it.”
Above Tevez conduct-wise.
The team, vds rafa evans rio evra, scholes fletch park nani, wazza and owen. Berba and valencia on the bench
i normally respect micky thomas opinion on key 103 and normally listen to them before and after match, but he thinks that fergies programme notes today will ease fans worries as he talks about unity with the fans. I think this misjudges fans reactions. Hear there are already ppl there wi green n gold scarves so thats good to hear
Is diouf on the bench?
^ thats the team? great! owen and rooney together + nani in his best position – I coud not have asked for more!
carrick ain’t starting now fletch is
@willierednut
Thanks mate. Nice to see Owen get a start. I hope we won’t miss Valencia.
@Tony Starks
I also hope Nani plays on the right. He and Park can switch flanks easily anyway.
Dont think dioufs on the bench.
@willierednut
is it the official line up?
Yes, that’s the official line up.
Diouf isn’t on the bench. Kus, Berba, Wes, Fabio, Carrick, Valencia and Gibson are.
Pleased to have Rio back by the way! Lets see how he does.
Yes it is scottish wonder, got it from mutv.
off topic.. saw in paper about Tosic going to Germany.. all that money we paid and he didn’t even get a chance! shame
@ willierednut and Costas
thanks guys
I have a good feeling about this game.. I hope Nani will play well
It will be interesting to see where the breakthrough will come from. In the absence of Valencia and Giggs, we might have need Berbatov’s skill. Hopefully Rooney and Nani will be on their game.
anyone got any good links
Expect this to be a very frustrating game, as Nani and Park are starting. Nani imo did okay against Burnley, but he is so inconsistent and you just cannot predict how he will play in the next game. I just hope we take the 3 points we need to go top.
Yeah links anyone?
any links please or atleast someone tell whats happening in the match pls.
http://www.eplsite.com/channel7.html
perfect link for game
enjoy cmon united
chrispiano and Jack- A guy called radzio will come on and put a link, he’s been putting them up for a long time. Until then, can’t help you. Sorry.
rooooooooooooooooooooney
17 for the season
Can’t remember the last time we scored inside the first 10 minutes.
I know what you mean, Costa.
@Costa
We’ll have to score 6 goals or so in the second half to keep up the average!! lol
Costas – its relief united got the first goal, also what you think of the blunder that they had sergio aguero in their squad list
RTNK
Yeah, I read about that late last night. If only hey?
@RTNK, Costa
I didn’t hear about this – link please
Livesport1 * http://www.derbyhd.com*
On Sopcast forgein comentary but stream very very good! no stopping and flowing well!
what was rooneys goal like?
RTNK, Costa- If you type in random numbers at the end of the player profiles, you get Iker Casillas, Fat Ronaldo, even Ferenc Puskas.
PS: THERE’S A GREEN AND GOLD SCARF RIGHT BEHIND THE GOAL, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STRETFORD END.
PPS: That’s not me shouting, that’s emphasis. Sorry if it bothered you.
lol sergio aguero in the squad list!…
Erm interesting!!
Like to know more..
Costas – I just recovered from food poisen so I am back, yea if only I know I have gone on about him quiet a lot latly but take into account there is no naturel no 9 strikers out there that I feel would improve uniteds attack hes the only striker I would like united to buy, but I bet that CUNT tevez will tell him not to go there to spit united and fergie.
that sites a bitch not working 2 watch united some idiot comments been made lie hull had equilized I had my heart in my mouth
Drabik – it was a mix up on the manutds offical website that agueros name was on there here is the story.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2820918/Man-United-create-web-page-for-Sergio-Aguero.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=Football
Nice one Nani! should have been a pen
Costa- It’s some 3 times this season that we’ve scored in the first 10 minutes, the City game(4-3) being one of them.
Excellent Stuff United!!!
Keep it up!
@theboogeyman
Really. Our website is really corrupt, lol.
@rooney the new king
I hope you revover soon. Aguero would be a good option. Don’t worry about Tevez. If the price is right, Aguero would come. We just can’t afford him.
Im looking forwrad to seeing rooey and owen together..
Anyone else think fergie didnt play owen much over winter to protect him??
REmember the Wolfsbug game away where owen got injured and fergie said we shouldnt have played him as that type of ground is difficult for him with the types of injuries he previously had! or something like that!
Just have watched what i expected to see!! Rooney slipping owen through!
@rooney the new king
Get better soon.
I think i am imune to Food Poisoning, Over the years my wife has seen to that!!
Some dinners even the dog wont eat!!! and barks till you clear his bowel and put in dog food!
@theboogeyman
3 times hey? I didn’t remember it was that many. Anyway, we should be doing it more often. It helpes us settle down.
Lads,
Its a sign of the times! At the gym this week my neighbour was getting excited at Liverpools Free Signing of Rodregez ….. Certainly made me smile!! HAHAHA
Lads we are batering them!…
Costas – yea I just still feel rooney has got no one exciting to play along side, we have the media and some fans who think tevez is all that which he is not which I was praying if united did not buy tevez they would go for aguero, you know Costas if aguero came to the prem he will really make tevez look so average. I rate aguero has highly as messi, didnt a phew former argentina players feel aguero is more important to argentina than messi is.
anyone else laugh at Rooney loosing it at fletcher for throwing the ball towards goal and not as his feet!!
Why the fuck is he not making the run!..all he would have done would have been able to cross the bloody ball! Drives me mad at times!
It was Rooney that scored against City. Who scored the other goal boogeyman?
@rooney the new king
With regards to someone exciting playing along side rooney i dont think we need someone exciting. Rooney is the exciting one of our strike partnership
For me we need someone who is a goal machine! Troubles Defenders, Maybe good in the air, Clinical infront of goal.
Rooney will provide all the excitment we need and assists and goals too!
Why doesn’t Nani take the free kicks?
cheers trevor well I said I was industructble to getting sick and I got sick so dont jinx yourself, we are battering them but it still remains 1 0. I will still say this united need that bit of stardust to get us those extra points simuler to how ronaldo and cantona done in their time at united.
@Drabik
Rooney 1, Fletcher 2 & Owen 1
Goals in the Manchester Derby 4-3
Drabik- Mate I didn’t check. I went to the Sky Sports website and went through all our match reports. My dud computer crashed at opening so many tabs. Sorry mate.
I think it was Rooney against Wolves, though.
trevor – a phew years ago united propably had 3 remember the holy trinity and it would have been nice to have seen diouf get a chance.
@rooney the new king
Yeah i agree with the stardust although looking at the market and players available i dont see any that shines to that standard.
Who would you have?
The 2 for me we have no chance…. Messi & Ronaldo!
every home game we create so many first half chances and miss most of them… in fact so many top teams in this league do the same..
@rooney the new king
i agree but at the same time we still have to give the lad time, ease him in. Fergie is a master at dealing with new players.
Bloody rooney, you could see that coming!
nice to see rooney keep his cool there with that nobody hunt trying to wind him up…
@ Trevor
I know the goalscorers in that game – who could forget?!?!
My question was actually about players who had scored in the first 10 minutes. Boogeyman said that 3 players had scored within 10 minutes for us this season. Rooney got two of them (v City, v Hull). I was asking who the other one was (or others)
Rooney dives me nuts when he gets like that, Would love to see him more composed!
What was the point in that!
i Hate the way his temperment effects his performance on the pitch, i really dont think he is as effective.
His passing and shooting suffer and loose accuracy big time!
o what a move!!!!
Dang.
Owen deserves a goal!!
@Drabik
Sorry fella,… I dont know whos scored in the first 10 minutes for us this season!!
christ!… why did owen not power it low.. that was way too soft.
Can see what he was trying… but come on
I hope this isn’t the last time we see Rooney and Owen playing together upfront. Great partnership.
owen shud hav fukin leatherd it
this reminds me of when we used to play with rooney and tevez, with ronaldo and nani/giggs…. aaa those were the days…
It looks everything that i expected, rooney coming deep Owen on the last defender..> What more could we ask for.
We look a threat!… Its only a matter of time !!
Some very good football, but once again, wasteful in front of goal. I hope we don’t regret it.
We’ve been excellent so far, really pleasing on the eye. If we had remembered to bring shooting boots with us we could be 3-0 or 4-0 up by now.
Hopefully Albert will put out the shooting boots at half time!
Owen must get a goal in the second half, he deserves one. Should’ve had a hattrick by now, just needs to put a bit more power into his shots. Played very well today.
rooneys got a yellow. . .duz dat mean hes suspended 4 da shitty game? (due 2 da 5 yellow card rule?)
@Tony Starks
Was a bit differnt them days, all geared up for ronaldo.
If ronaldo stayed i think fergie would have bust the budget for tevez.
Rooney and tevez hounding defenders tiring them out and ronaldo torturing them with his pace and ability!… Only destined for success!!
Great half… Cant really say more!!
Would like to see more goals. Its a shame Diouf couldnt have had a go at these guys….
I’ve been looking at first 10 minute scorers:
Comm. Shield – Nani 10th minute vs. Chelsea
Premier League – Rooney 5th minute vs. Man City
Premier League – Knight (O.G.) 5th minute vs. Bolton
Carling Cup – Welbeck 6th minute vs. Barnsley
And now Rooney vs. Hull
5 times – thats not United…. Am I right?
huzi
Are you for real?
Ok guys. The goals scored inside the first 10 minutes are:
Rooney vs City
Knights’ OG vs Bolton
Welbeck vs Barnsley
and Rooney’s today.
@huzi
No, 5 yellows don’t equal a ban now. There was a cut-off point that has already passed, it’ll just be a letter from The FA
Nani is playing great today. There was a great collective move involving Owen,Rooney and Nani which deerved a goal.. Don’t know for you guys but I feel Owen and Rooney actually play very well together,glad SAF saw that during last game.
@Drabik
Just beat me to the stats. Nani vs Cheslsea shouldn’t count lol!
Seriously, we should have had more than that.
@ colbert
nt realy sure. . .
Che
I agree. For me they are fully able to play together if Owen stays of the shoulder of the defender with Rooney dropping deeper.
I think we’ve played well, wazza bang in form lets hope he stays fit.
@RTNK
Aguero has the potential to be a top player but he’s to simalar to rooney and berba, we need a proper number 9 in the summer, fabiano maybe.
great going lads!!!!
Ha Costa, too slow mate! And you missed Nani too… tut tut tut … and you call yourself a fan :p
Yea, it is too small. Now who wants to volunteer to find the stats to compare this to previous seasons? Anyone? No? Okay….
p.s. that’s not me volunteering by the way
I meant Hull, not Wolves, sorry.
I was talking about the league alone, Drabik.
Decent first half, should have scored more though, hope we don’t come to regret that. Regarding the Owen/Rooney partnership, I don’t think MO has been particularly good, he’s been wasteful really. However, having a last-defender type striker partnering Rooney obv creates space for Wayne to work his magic, so if we could get one who can actually hit a barn door that would help.
I have been pleased with Nani today, i have also been pleased with Owen. Should have scored his last but the important thing for me is that both are a threat!
Owen has had chances and importantly for me has got most on target!..
Keep this up second half and we will romp it!
Come on lads! Lets show the dippers how its done!
@Drabik
Hehe, I didn’t include Nani on purpose because we said below 10 minutes. You are disqualified, lol.
I could look at it now. I remember that we got a lot of early goals in the 06-07. But then again, we got a lot of goals in that season, period.
Boogeyman – thats fine – did you know that from memory, or had you heard/read it somewhere.
It certainly is worrying in my opinion. In many of the recent seasons, we have been able to assert ourselves quickly against ‘lesser’ opposition, making the rest of the game easier. But the later we leave it, the higher the chance that we make a mistake and end up chasing the game – as we’ve seen on a few occasions this season.
Lads,
With regards to the goals in the first 10 minutes i agree we should have scored more.
This season what has concerned me most taking into concideration our new midfield and defencive problems is actual shots on target.
We have had many matches where we have dominated and had shots from outside the box, inside the box and have got very few on target! This is something we need to improve on!
Pleasing thing about today is that we have had good shots on target! so come on!
@ Costa
When someone scores in 9 minutes 59 seconds, it is recorded as 10 minutes. As soon as it reaches 10 minutes 1 second, it is 11 minutes. I win in my opinion. lol
@trevor
Good point mate. They are either over the target or straight at the goalkeeper, making them look like heroes.
Cook fucks up again;
“Mancini’s response was also in keeping with the FA’s request for both clubs not to inflame the situation, explaining that Tevez may have been “tired” when he castigated Neville during an interview with an Argentinian radio station. “It’s important that it is finished now, and it is,” Mancini said. “I am sure Carlos will be calm and think only of playing. We all have to be calm.”
However, the message did not appear to have reached City’s chief executive, Garry Cook, who was filmed telling supporters over a microphone that the club were on course to overtake United and become “without doubt the biggest and best football club in the world”. Cook was at a New York pub named the Mad Hatter and he went on to say it was a case of “not if but when we are at Wembley having beaten Man United yet again”. Despite the presence of television cameras Cook had been under the impression it was a closed event for him and the supporters.”
Clown.
@Drabik
Yeah you do man. I am just a sore loser.
@rooney the new king
Its not even a Mix up on the United site. The way the site is setup it has a massive database of players profiles and you have always been able to ‘hack’ the url to bing up other players profiles. For about 4 seasons fans have been posting on sites like this one how we are about to sign x and y as they are on the site due to hacking the URL and it simply means nothing. As I pointed out in the summer you can even make it look like a player like Darren Anderton is going to make a surprise comeback with us as he is in the databse
@Costas
We could afford him, he is just overpriced for someone unproven in the English league. The two leagues are completely different as you see by the many players who goto Spain from England and excel but the many who go the other way and struggle. Also TBH when you consider that Fergie was serious about Benzema then I’m not sure Aguero is the kind of player he wants to add to the squad. Infact from what I have seen of Aguero he is more like ‘Rooney’ rather than a proper forward that we are maybe missing
Anyone think nev has been rested for Wednesday Derby?
What are the odds on a gary nevile hat trick??… £1.00 on with united to win 3-0 … i could retire if that came in! hahaha
lol @ the linesman
Lol that Fagan is such an idiot. he could care less about the assistant!
hlody fuck,.. the linesman has got creamed! hahahaaha
I hate 1-0. if it stays like this until 85m we will be in trouble.
lol UP DA EVANS! hw was dat?
that was a sore one!
Why did he just stand there!… Just proves Linesmen are a little thick!
hahaha
dont like seeing anyone injured!
OMG.. see Mr Who ate all the pies warming up!
@Wakey
I have my doubts because Aguero was priced at 40-45 million and we weren’t going to spend that much. But to be fair, we never showed any interest anyway.
@trevor
Yeah, looks like Nev will play. Rafa can’t play 3 games in a week yet.
@Colbert
Man! I hate that man… It’s one thing boasting over a win, but another to dismiss a superior club’s future, and make a bold (ridiculous) prediction about becoming the biggest and best club in the world.
Put it this way – If ANY player, from ANY country, of ANY ability was given the option of Manchester United or Manchester City – presented with the SAME contract, the decision is a no brainer.
I could say the same thing if it was the same conditions with:
City or Real
City or Barca
City or Chelsea
City or Arsenal
City or Liverpool
City or AC Milan
City or Spurs
City or Villa
City or Inter
City or [insert team name here]
NO player would pick City in any of those situations if the contract was the SAME. I can guarantee!
1-0 against Hull. Terrible. Fuckin attack for fuck sake. Scared.
I do wish Fergie would pick a more consistent midfield and certainly play a more attacking Midfield against teams like this. Nani is the only real attacking/creative midfielder we have in this line up. A bit more attacking threat from the midfield and Rooney and Owen would have a field day with the space that would bring
I’m also getting more and more worried about Scholes. When he has the time and is spraying the balls around from deep he is still great but he is getting slower at reacting and panics and makes bad mistakes too often when put under pressure. And playing so deep as he does now these mistakes are even more dangerous
No disrespect to Hull, but the way the game has gone, it was a perfect opportunity to move ahead in terms of goal difference.
Lads,
Evans has played well and every time i see him he looks quality. Taking into concideration Pique how he has performed at Barcelona and didnt get a chance at united.
If we were offered 30 mil in the summer for Vidic would you take it?
I would, and add it to the 60 or 70 mill we already have!… (i beleive we have it as fergie wouldnt lie!… The moment fergie is asked to lie about something like that is when he walks out the door!)
Could then get, Inter Right back, Dasilva – Valencia, David Villa – Valencia, Sissko – French kid we are linked too
The above would certainly do the business!
The crowd sound like they are in good voice. Can really hear the anti Glazer chants……..go on boys!
With regards to Transfer budget i think it has worked against fergie holding back and not spending the ronaldo money!
In the summer we supposidly had 60 – 70 million to spend.
Now, if fergie had spent that all on players, Come this summer he would have been given this seasons budget of 20 mil + .. you would like to think!
Now as he has kept the money he supposidly has still the 60 – 70 mill to spend!… Where did this seasons normal budget go?
Christ, Nani’s having a blinder!!
@ Edwin
that’s cos he’s finally playing on the right where he is far more effective
@trevor
Supposedly, the money is there, but there is no value in the transfer market. Lets see what happens this summer.
OMG… Park
FFS …. Why cant fergie put this guy on shooting practice for 1 solid month! then he will flippin score!
@trevor
Valencia turned down bids for Villa from Barca and Real of over £40mill. He isn’t worth that and at his age he certainly isn’t.
I too believe the money is there, the whole Bond Booklet makes it clear that buying world class players and keeping world class players is something that has to be done. Its Fergies choice imho not to let the Citys and Reals make us pay significantly more than a players worth and over 40mill for a 28 year old striker is more than Fergie is prepared to pay.
@ Costas,
yeah i agree that the transfer market has no value but how which is worse.
Spending last summer and getting a new budget this coming summer
Not spending last summer and loosing this summers budget!
See where i am coming from?
So disappointed with our finishing.
@Wakey
Choice of players was maybe wrong but was meaning more about the amount of money available and types of players we could have.
is diuof coming on?
nah.. Looks to be berbatov…
Great shift by owen… Well played lad!
I wish Owen could have scored today, he truly deserved a goal. Is there any team on this planet who creates as many chances as we do? We might come to regret not burying them in. If Hull score now, we will not go top and we won’t recover.
Its sqeaky bum time lads!
Id take 1-0 however!.. all that is important is 3 points!
@ trevor
hes not on the bench
@Fze123
But can hull keep up the same concentration and tempo?? We certainly will see!!
@ edwin – I agree. Nani is almost back to his best.
Diouf I meant
What the fuck was Gibson trying to do???
ferdinand throwing punch at fagan??
Come on ferd what the fuck are you playing at… First game back after injury and you act like a prick!
If we do’t kill games like this at home with ease how can we get something at arsenal. our midf. are not scoring. look at arsenal they are scoring goals without thier star striker.
I’m not watching the game, so can’t judge Nani – but remember, most people’s criticism of him is that he is too inconsistant. To say he is back to his best after one good game (although he did player quite well last week) is a little too early for my liking.
Tom Cleverley has scored again for Watford – can’t wait to see what this guy is like in the Premier League
Nani is awesome today. Cue responses its only Hull.
The problem with Gibson is that he knows he can shoot and he does so too often.
Should have passed… however he did hit the top of the net and wasnt too far away
We have struggled today with crosses, hull have too many players back defending for crosses.
I can see us getting another goal today but it will be a scrappy one!
Would prefer to see more shots from outside the box, might have better luck than crossing into all them defenders!
That was hardly a punch by Rio. Can’t believe we haven’t killed this game off yet. Just put the ball in the fucking net!
We have now
@NotoriousRedDevil
Yeah, when fans get an idea of players they fail to see any good performances!
Nani could have done better today, maybe clearing the ball off the goal line, running up the pitch and chesting down his clearance crossing into the box and running into the box to head homw his own cross!
Did Cristiano’s spirit embody Nani today?
Play to the whistle boys, well done!!
Glad Rooney has got another one!!
YES!!!
Rooney Hattrick!!
With regards to rios punch… was more like a flaying back elbow and intended!
if the ref had of seen it rio would have had a red, hull a pen and i think we would have finished this game 1-1
Not what you want from what i regard on his day the best defender in the world!
Hat-trick!
Where are all your comments?
@trevor
Something that needs to be remembered is we can’t actually buy too many players for next season as we have the new squad rules in the EPL.
We are allowed a squad of 25 players over the age of 21. 8 of which have to be Home Grown.
We have had to leave a couple of players out of the Champions League squad due to a similar restriction and there may be a couple of other players who won’t be able to be on the ‘b list’ of those under 21 next season so some players may have to go to allow a signing to be made (Unless we either have player on the books who can’t play in the league or champions league OR if we can loan them out or something)
Nani and Rooney have been awsome today!…..
HAT TRICK!
Where has this Nani been for 2 years?
Rooooooooooooneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!
Where are the Nani haters now? MOM by a mile!
@Wakey
Dont know much about the new rules!!! All very interesting! will Hurt City
hahahaha
Great goal and great cross from Nani. He’s played really well today, and o think that’s what Wazza was saying to him in the celebration
Loved that we kept playing and we were totally justified in doing it. It’s the ref’s job to stop play. And they could have played it out as well.
Hat-trick! He’s such a star! Nani has been great today. Keep it up lad. Shame that he’s not this good on the left.
nani! where have you been?
player of the year = wayne rooney
stand up if you hate city!
@ trevor
In my opinion, he rarely ever ‘has his day’ nowadays – I know he’s been injured, but even before that…
We have a few in the squad who can make way! In my eyes!
Im giving a couple to the end of the season before i hammer my judgement home!
Nani was immense today. If he could play like this on the left on Wednesday and with Valencia on the right…
Guys I know they showed the Rio elbow a billion times. I just wonder, did Fagan provoke it somehow? The cameras didn’t show anything. It’s not like Rio.
Yes – Rooney Hat Trick! …I am glad we finally took our chances, it should have been more. Glad to see Nani perform!
thats what nani can do if played in his real position.. and he can take free kicks!
And they’ve just done a close up of fans wearing yellow and gold and the commentators have just explained why. Fucking brilliant…..we want glazers out, we want glazers out
Nani is very good player. we should give him no7 and run of games.
wtf did nani have for breakfast
hope he has the same b4 every game
Nani Come on, this is how he plays for the national team and this is how he should play for United always. Nani sempre
Rooney has his hat trick but Nani definitely is man of the match.
@Drabik
Yeah i know what you mean, he struggled last year but i thin he played quite a bit not fully 100% fit
Maybe if we had kept Pique and had him and evans that would have been the way to go!
However a big gamble all the same! But we would have had 15 – 20 mil for rio (due to his age) 20-30 for vidic
Maybe a bit extreme! hahaha… Football Manager 2010 stuff! Will stick to my pc game!
Is it a surprise that Nani plays awesome on the right? No
Nani will be shite again when he plays next. Better than Park. I’m better than Park though, he is worthless.
Diouf> Owen
Bring on Twatez and City!
FOURRRR!!!!!
20 for Rooney!!
1st since Ruud!!
Lol look at Fergie standing with his stop watch! HAHAHA Got to love him! Fucking legend!
He’s got 4! First time ever!
Well done wazza dont know wat we do without ya, and just a mention for nani takes a lot of stick but brillant performance.
20 goals in January.
4 – Nil ….ROONEY
Rooneyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy If I ever loved a man that’s his name
Made up the goal difference and as Edwin says, Rooney reached last year’s tally!
@The Edge
your better than park?… Balls!
Park has his uses, in certain games!
1st what since Ruud? 4 in a league game?
Tevez got 4 in a Carling Cup game last season
FT
Well done lads… Excellent stuff from Rooney and Nani!!!
Hopefully we can up the ante against the shitty scum!!!
Level on Goal Dif with Arsenal and Chelsea, leagues top scorer..first team to reach 50 points….we are really struggling
Ruud got 4 against Sparta Prague in 04/05. I think.
@trevor
You are right about our transfer budget. Fergie made the comment about no value. I didn’t agree with it. I think there is more to this than meest they eye. And this summer, things will get worse. It’s World cup summer.
very well done Nani, bit more of that now
1 with owen for 70 minutes 3 with berba for 20 minutes
@Colbert
That was Ruud. It’s Rooney’s first 4 goal tally. And no penalty mind you.
Cristiano who, viva wayne rooneyyyyyyyyyyyy
I prefer EPL than CC so we need to give the no10 off for city game fresh for arsenal where he likes to score goals against.
About Nani now. I won’t say that this game wil kickstart his career, but it proved a point that people like Corea and Tony Starks have been saying for a while. We should judge him only when he plays in his natural position. On the right.
And now Fergie might have a dilemma between Nani and Valencia. I wish there was a way they could interchange during games!
Perfect day!
Costas: “And now Fergie might have a dilemma between Nani and Valencia. I wish there was a way they could interchange during games!”
No dilemma. Nani showed today that he is capable of becoming a real star – lots of subtlety to his wing play – but he is also somewhat “hamstrung” by his versatility since Valencia can only use his left leg for balance.
It would be good if Nani and Valencia could interchange, but I don’t think Valencia plays well on the left. Maybe give them a half each vs. City?
Costas
Yes, I know. Think I just misunderstood what you guys were talking about. No big deal.
So happy the goals came in the end today. We fully deserved an emphatic win. Rio looked good too. I didn’t get a good look at the situation between him and Fagan but to me it didn’t look that serious. No doubt the FA would love to punish him though.
@trevor
Unless Fergie lets sentimentality get in the way I suspect Neville and Scholes will move onto Coaching Roles. So thats two squad freed up
fantastic result for us. great predator instinst shown by rooney. 4 goals in any game is awsome. scholes played very well today as well, good distribution. tot fletcher was abit of an off today, not his usual commanding self. nani, what can i say abt his performance today, wow, very impressive. as i have always said, wat fucking better feeling to see one of our very own turn it around with all ê sticks he has got. hope foster get some inspiration too. now all eyes will be on nani to see if he could turn it on week in week out. come on nani! u r dead & buried in é eyes of our own fans. fuck them! juz concentrate ur own game. as long as u pull on a red devil jersey, u fucking at least will have a group of loyal man utd fans behind u!!
Just got back home from work…..I know grabbing bastard and all that …didn’t know the result so came on here and have heard/noticed that Wazza got a 4 and that Nani actually had a decent game…….. fucking hell…. might consider working when we play Shitty next week…..
to all those who saw the game ….was Nani that impressive today?
I am going to have to wait for MOTD tonight to see the game…..
NANI was great today, one of the best performances by a united winger for a while other than valencia of course.. and where ? on the right!!
well done lad, should give him confidence he so desperately needed, hope its his turnin point.
more of the same tho please.
and how awesome was scholes my god he is still one of the best CM around and best passer period.
well done rooney
Happy days rooney scoring rio back nani playing better, vds back, now for vidic and owen(the curly haired one) and we will begin to instill that FEAR factor into the opposition again.
Nani was outstanding today
thats the greatest game ive ever seen him playing
Rooney got 4 which is unreal and im sure he had man of the match after the second goal but Nani was my man of the match
slick timing HIS FUCKING TIMING was spot on
his crosses were bang on
and his corners(apart from his first ) was excellent
he was a pleasure to watch
CAn Anyone Help My Ears
there was a chant sang alot today and I was looking for the second line it was
we love united
indeed we do???
that team in blue???
i dunno but if anyone knows
also one more question
is there a cooler player in the world than berbatov
@skh
What you on about with 1 with owen 3 with berbatov
FFS what does owen have to do!
Did you watch the match?
Owen had a number of chances and got the majority on target, could have done better with some but in my eyes played really well.
Flippant comments like that dont help and obviously shows people like yourself up to having no footballing brains!
Berbatov didnt create any of the chances, berbatov didnt score but it was all because of him!
I think it was all because of Darren Gibson Personaly!
1 with Scholes and 3 with Gibson! Well played son!
Valencia ahead of Nani. Tosic on the left, Nani on the right, Valencia through the middle. That is if you want Nani to play.
Well done Wayne. Is 35 an unrealistic target.
See ya later guys
I doubt match of the day is on tonight – 1 game, so will come here later to check for highlights.
@denton davey
So do we continue to accomodate both by using Nani on the left? It will be hard to get the best of him like that. But honestly, it’s also something other than his position. Whatever happened during the holidays, might have given him the kick up the backside he needed.
@wakey
Yeah, although i think both will play bit part next season. Nevile does alot behind the scenes and Scholes is perfect for games against lower opposition (sorry Scholesy!)
Against Hull today he was great, his passing awsome and he really comes into his zone when having to play teams who park the bus! its againts teams that attack where he now struggles as he hasnt the engine he used to have to be in the correct position every time!
Very, very pleased with the attacking play today! Got kinda worried when we didn’t bury them sooner that they might equalize or something. Now the Nani haters can shut the fuck up for a few days. I just hope we can dish out this kind of performance against the bigger teams; teams that we really need to beat to stay in the lead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Akwg-tI2k&
Later Drabik.
With regards to Nani,
He has showen today his qualities and why i think he will be one of the worlds best wingers in years to come…
Problem now is that he is still learning his game and we need to give him time! He will make mistakes, be inconsistant but when he reaches 26+ i recon he will rip defences appart!
@Costas
I’m curious, where do you think this value for money that improves the team is?
“And now Fergie might have a dilemma between Nani and Valencia. I wish there was a way they could interchange during games!”
Doesn’t need to be a dilemma tbh, Fergie has stated that he watched Valencia playing in the Centre for Wigan last season and he did really well and he has shown the same ability in training. So we could go
Giggs Fletcher Valencia Nani
anyone hear that chant
@trevor
Owen was good mate. It just didn’t work out for him on the final third. Our best spell of football was in the first half. We were just more lethal at the second half.
That being said, Berba didn’t do much wrong either. It’s good to see players stepping up at this stage. We will need them all.
el blanco pele….that’s all o have to say. really wish owen scored though..
trevor
Agreed on this one. Although Owen did not score, he was very visible throughout and what we should look at is his link-up play.I thought his contribution to the flow of our game was obvious in the 1st half. If anything this match showed very clearly how much better Rooney plays in 4-4-2. We shouldn’t start with 4-5-1 against the bitters.
According to the Sun, United listed Sergio Aguero on their websites player page before United pulled it and claimed it as a mistake.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2820918/Man-United-create-web-page-for-Sergio-Aguero.html
Nani and Rooney were simply outstanding today
well… as for Nani, sadly for him he will be pushed to the left again next time if Valencia plays. He will keep having to cut back to his right, make mistakes and will be back to square 1 with the fans… BUT he has confidence in his ability… we looked good going forward today – just wish we’d attack teams more all the time rather that stick Rooney up on his own
happy with Owen, could have scored a couple but our one touch exchanges with the front players was fantastic, especially in the first half
Good result today in the end. Rooney=Top class. Nani had a great game. The only sour point is Rio. What the f**k was he doing. Ref didn’t see it, so no doubt the FA will review it, they can’t wait to screw us over any chance they get. He’s just back from injury, now he’ll get a ban.
@trevor
the 1 with Owen 3 with Berba is relevant. Its not an ‘attack’ on Owen or how he played but more that Rooney just gels with Berba better. You get the best out of Rooney with Berba, mind you in Pre season Owen looked great with Berba too.
@Wakey
I am no talent scout, but I have a hard time believing that there wasn’t a defender of United’s quality available this summer. The injury problems in our defence didn’t flare up last fall. We knew that some of these players are injury prone.
Also, I rate Benfica’s Di Maria quite high. I know that they are asking a lot, but nowdays, talented youngsters don’t always come aroud cheap.
Valencia as a CM? I think he could play behind the striker in a roaming role. Not so sure if he has the composure to play in the heart of our misfield.
Outstanding game from Rooney (obviously) and from Nani, which makes me really happy. 4 beautiful goals, with everyone doing a good job. Nothing else to say/.
@Trevor, Berbatov got an assist for the fourth goal, I think.
@shebangsthedrums
Hoepfully we can delay the procedure a bit until Vidic returns, but it could be 3 games out for Rio. Hull will probably make a deal out of it, but lets see what the FA will do. Gallas didn’t get penalised for his tackle against Bolton did he?
WoW!! Nani!!
play valencia against shitty and keep nani for arsenal
Rooney is a gem.
trevor Berbatov didnt create any of the chances?? what about the 3rd goal? Zidane-like flick to Rooney..
“trevor Said,
January 23rd, 2010 @17:52
Lol look at Fergie standing with his stop watch! HAHAHA Got to love him! Fucking legend!”
I didnt see that! really?? haha, nice..
@Wakey.. thought we played better in first half to be honest.. the last few goals were kind of on the break, as happens at OT when teams get tired
Fucking hell, Rooney got four goals. He has now scored 20 goals in 5 months since the beginning of the season. There are about four months left, if he can score 15+ in that period then there’s no need to worry about goals. Asides from giving the ball away a few times, he played great.
Fletcher bossed the midfield today. Nani played brilliantly too. Did anyone see his run on the 56th minute or so, were he breezed past defenders and put in a great shot that was saved by Myhill. It was very Ronaldoesque. I wish he can play on the left as well as he could on the right wing, imagine how much damage he could do in that position.We still don’t have a real left winger atm, who can provide us with crosses week in week out.
Owen was very very unlucky not to score, but at least his shots were on target. Some fans were wearing the gold and green scarves in the stands; the camera focused on them a few times during the game. When the linesman was attacked by the wonderful Evans, it was pretty hilarious, could not stop my self from laughing. Great performance from the lads today, but I just wish we can become less wasteful and score golden oppourtinities. I think we are the only team who create more chances than any other team in the world.
Bring on Shitty!
if this kind of form continues ,next week arsenal are gonna be killed……………………
and that never smiling shitface manager of theirs will be great fun to watch………….
arsenal we are comming……….
@trevor
The problem is with a limited squad size can you afford to accomadate bit part players who you will only use against weaker sides.
If you look at Scholes today while he was brilliant at times in his ‘Quaterback’ role there were a number of times where he was rushed and mad mistakes, be it getting caught too eaiserly or by playing awful sideway passes that were intercepted. Against someone like Hull he gets away with it but playing so deep its a major problem when it happens and better teams will and have taken advantage of it this season.
@gerkeo
United didn’t pull it as it wasn’t a mistake per say. Its a feature of the websites design in that it contains profiles of pretty much every player who has been registered to play in the Premiership ever OR has been reisgtered to play in the CL.
The only way to access them though is to do what The Sun clearly did and what some fans do every summer to wind other fans up and thats to change the id in the URL to bring up the players profile
Costas @ 18:08: “@denton davey
So do we continue to accomodate both by using Nani on the left? It will be hard to get the best of him like that. But honestly, it’s also something other than his position. Whatever happened during the holidays, might have given him the kick up the backside he needed.”
I think that Nani is going to be “consigned” to the left wing because of his versatility. He’s better on the right but he’s not too shabby on the left – it’s just that mindless comments from mindless commentators don’t seem to want to make sense of what he/Evra contribute. In fact, the Nani/Evra left-side combination is very, very strong and I think that that’s why Valencia gets so much time/space down the right. What Nani showed today was the subtlety and trickery that Valencia doesn’t seem to possess – but it’s early days, methinks. Valencia does provide great power, energy, and speed, however; hopefully, his game can become more subtle and he can gain some confidence in his left peg.
This team is STILL a work-in-progress and I continue to believe that getting the team to gel around WayneRooney is going to be the key to happiness in May. Obviously, getting Rio and Edwin back for 90-minute stints is fantastic; I expect that Vidic will be ready for Shitty or maybe TheArse. THEN, we’ll finally begin to see what SAF has had in mind for the post-CR team – assuming that the front pairing can gel. That’s still the big issue in my mind – getting Owen/Berbatov/Diouf (or Welbeck/Macheda) to provide a “proper partner” for WayneRooney is – and has always been – the key for # 19.
@ Costas Said
Yeh, I know any disciplinary decision will be challenged by Utd, which will make him available for the next few weeks. As I said, the FA will be licking their lips now at the opportunity to punish Utd and Rio. Hopefully Vida will be back, but we want them both in our defence at the same time.
é slight different notice abt nani today is he seems more humbled, his body language & all. u know more like ‘valencia’ type rather than é ‘ronaldo’ type. think è ‘burst-up’ with SAF few months back & not feature in è first team for such a long period (know he’s also injured during è absent) does him alot of good. probably make him realise he hasnt yet earn his right to be arrogant in & off é pitch.
hope we will see a new nani from today onwards.
keeping my finger cross.
@Tony Starks
The team maybe did BUT Rooney didn’t. When he is playing with Berba rather than with Owen or on his own he just has more freedom and it gets an added extra element out of him
@ Drabik, Well I watched the game and I do think he is almost back to his best. Not just because he played in the position he favours, but on the left wing against Burnely he made all the right decisions, put dozens of crosses and troubled his markers.
@denton davey
Agree about Nani and Evra. I just hope that our fans(don’t really care about journos) will be more patient with Nani from now on.
The news on Vidic is that he will be out for about 2 more weeks. Rio and Evans will have to carry the load in the next 2 big games.
4-0….I told you so….got the goalscorers wrong though, should have doubled up on Rooney’s two!!
Good performance, especially Rooney , scholes and nani. The one thing that did annoy me was when Gibson shot from 30 yards like a moron when Rooney busted a gut to get in behind. Needs to learn when to use his shooting effectively and when to pass, this type of stupidity can cost you points in tight games and that is the last thing we need!
@shebangsthedrums
I think that in about 2-3 weeks, we will have the defensive holy trinity of VDS-Rio-Vidic playing together again.
My stream wasn’t very good. Was Rio unprovoked? I find it hard to believe that he would react like that for no reason.
Nani’s English has improved so much. i’m watching his interview on MUTV.
Nani is a completely different player when he plays on the right wing..this is a dilemna for fergie now.
He has whipped some very good crosses tonight. One of the best performances if not the best since his arrival.
Wazza is my fantasy team captain, so I’m happy.
Nani had a great game, so I’m happier.
We’re top of the league, I’m ecstatic!
Sir Alex after the game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxbEo1giTLY
Best game Nani’s had for a long time.
Owen should have done better with the chances he had.
Disappointed with Gibson.
We took our foot off the pedal too early again.
Good anti-Glazer atmosphere.
drnkin beer…………….
cheers to todays and upcomming succes of ours………….
drnkin beer…………….
cheers to todays and upcomming success of ours………….
@Costas
It looked to me like Rio was being grabbed hold of to me but its hard to tell as they didn’t really focus on the moments before the swing
Sell Rooney for 500million and clear up the debt !
Good to be top of the league again..its been too long..great to have added to our goal difference & a very good performance
bring on Shiteh
Tevez never scored 4 in the league cup – one of those was a clear OG that he claimed.
@Wakey
I will look for it on youtube. There must have been something there, although Rio should have reacted better. I wonder if that was the referee’s retaliation for Fagan knocking out the linesman, lol.
@ wakey
found a new article on the debt..doesnt make for optimistic readin
http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2010/01/20/129936/penalties/
@bigphil2003
True. And one other was a penalty. Today, Rooney scored 4 clear goals.
bloody stupid reaction from rio…hasnt he been out for long enough??!?! does he possibly want a 3 match ban to rest his feet after missin 3 months of football? =s
@lukemallia
if rooney is gone from our team then i can assure you that w are not gonna win any cups this season……….
and rooneys sell price wont contribute much to the debt as it is abt 700m euro…..
lukemallia…. you had to spoil the day!!!
@ Costas – Oh, was it Fagan? I thought it was Evans who knocked him to the ground. I didn’t watch the replay as I was laughing too hard. I hope Scott puts it up soon, I could watch that incident 100 times and it still would be funny each time.
@geneside
i was jus kiddin mate..i dont believe even the glazer’s are that stupid
@lukemallia
are you seriously manu fan……..
i have doubt ater the comment of yours…………
or you have taken money frm anyone to bring the morale of our conversation down???
Has Godon Brown commented om Rio’s elbow yet? You know it’s bound to happen…
@Fze123
Evans collides with Fagan and I think Fagan’s momentum carries him over the touchline and onto the linesman. The funniest thing was Fagan after the tumble. He just stood up, looked at the linesman and just walked away!
@geneside
lighten up..u must not have read the rest of my comments in that post !
I’m very delighted with nani. He had been disappointing as i have high expectation and i do like him a lot. However, he proves to others that he can perform as i already knew he can. He just need to show it and if anyone notice. He is playing on the right wing. That is his best position as his left leg crossing is not good. Im happy that Rooney score 4. However, im more happy nani plays well tonight. He cross well, he pass right, he never loss the ball, he never do extra things, he is a threat, he is fast. Well. Best player behind Rooney.
@ Costas
Only saw 1 replay of the incident myself as I’m in New Zealand and they don’t have any pundits or match analysis. I couldn’t see that there was any provocation. Anyway, we’ll cope whatever happens, we’ve had to so far.
Good result.Brilliant performance from Nani, looked dangerous every time he got the ball. Rooney was good as well, and Scolesy showed that he can still dominate against teams stupid enough to give him time and space. However there were negatives as well, MO’s profligacy in front of goal continues, Park was terrible as usual, Darron “I’m lazier than Stefan Effenberg” Gibson was awful, and in fact there was a spell late in the 2nd half where we played horribly and looked like we might regret missing all those chances, and that spell coincided with Gibson coming on. Hopefully the stories about us signing that Sissoko kid are true and we won’t have to suffer through another Gibson sighting at Old Trafford.
i think the match we will be worried abt the most is 17th feb against ac milan………..
i am sorry guys but i am having nightmares thinking abt the outcome of this match as they are in brilliant form………..
it will be our toughest test of temperament …………
@IcelandicDevil… Gibson is one of the least favourite players of mine, but don’t you think its a bit harsh to blame all that on one guy?
but i am still trying to make myself positive as far as i can………..
beacuse honestly they have played better than us………..
@lukemallia
Read the top line. “member of the Manchester United Supporters Trust,”
That hardly makes it a balanced analysis and it even jumps to many of the assumptions that the ABU media have just to push a cause.
MUST want all united fans to get on the Glazers back and drive them out so its in their interest to push the worst case and treat the Glazers as being inept at what they do. If some rich Arab bought the club you can guarantee they would the same about them pretty quickly as they really wont be happy unless the clubs run like FCUM by the fans.
Without the debt it would be better, if only because its easy for people to cause ‘panic’ because it looks really bad on paper but as Fans we have to stop being so reactive
I have not been a fan of gibson. Not sure why. Maybe due to his arrogant face and less creative mind and selfish thought of always wanting to take the free kick. He is less experience then why not let others take the free kick? If he think he can be as good as beckham of course i could have like him take but no. He can only shoot. That is one mind thing that i don’t like players.
@ wakey
what got me worried was that the writer works in the City & from that article he clearly knows a thing or two about what he was sayin plus what was actually written did make sense (not all..for example the sale of carrington bit..find that a bit hard to believe or maybe i’m just deluding myself and hopin for the best)
& say the glazers do sell up to some rich businessman i’m scared we might go down the Chelsea/Man city road & lose our soul =s
still i guess we’ve got to make the best of what we have..which unfortunately right now happens to be the glazer family
Valencia plays central for his country so if Nani right he could play more central, else 4-4-3 with Nani on right at top above valencia and rooney centre berbatov left – he never is in a position anyway. what so u think. i think nani cd be brilliant for us on the right as a 4 or 3
GREEN AND GOLD TILL THEY DIE OR FOLD!
Any of you watching on TV notice it? There was at least four banners on display.
A good start today. If MoTD avoids showing any of our protests, they’re fucking cowards.
@Tony Starks – I’m sorry mate, didn’t actually mean that Gibson was entirely to blame for that poor spell, the whole team actually seemed to get a bit tight, and for some reason this United team handles full court pressure very poorly, whereas the United of old would just punish teams for trying to pressure us by passing them to death and creating chances from the other teams pressure. That being said, Gibson contributed heavily to the pressure we were under with his poor passing and lazy display, but you are right that it wasn’t only him, and I didn’t mean it that way.
rio did swing his arm pretty hard at Fagan. I do have a feeling that he will end up getting a ban. it did not look good on replays
leeds ended up drawing 2-2 at white hart lane…beckford again.
I guess Wayne got his remarks from Michael in the break
Now that Nani is seen to be “golden” the grumblers have found a new target – young Darron Gibson. Wonders never cease – he might have ignored Wayne Rooney’s “gut busting” run but he came very, very close to chipping the keeper. I have to remember that many of these same people used to flog “TheScottishPlayer” and “Ninny” for the least mistake. Get a sense of proportion here. These guys are humans – not machines. Rooney’s anger was crude which is indicative of his uber-competitiveness; ALL he did was score four goals ! That said, Rooney’s passing wasn’t all that great today. In the end, it’s a team game – or, given SAF’s penchant for tinkering with the first-team and injuries – a squad game, nowadays. So, players who aren’t quite “good enough” are going to get game-time in order to determine if their form at Carrington can be carried over into games. Like Woody Allen said to Diane Keaton in ANNIE HALL, “a team is like a shark, it has to move to stay alive”. Sometimes the movements work, sometimes they don’t BUT always SAF is keeping his main objectives in mind – win # 19, compete in the CL, and knock LiverPoo off their fucking perch !
Two boring fuckers sat near me were moaning to each other about Rooney’s performance. It was one of those, he could have done five things right for every one thing wrong, but they were jumping on everything that didn’t come off. It was during a period of the game when none of our players could retain possession, meaning it was ridiculous to start singling out.
True, Rooney didn’t have his best game. The fact is, he still made the difference. You can’t always have it both ways.
I hope the one still there felt like a twat at the final whistle.
Yeah, Denton, obv anyone who dares criticize your demi-gods is a “grumbler” who doesn’t understand the beautiful game quite as well as you do. Fact of the matter is that Gibson and Park don’t have the required quality to play for United, Nani does, but he doesn’t show it on a consistent basis. And you make it sound like the only thing worth criticizing about Gibson’s performance was that idiotic shot attempt, but his whole performance was piss poor, he was constantly passing the ball straight to the next Hull player, and this was during a period where we weren’t playing well and where kind of on the backfoot and his poor play kept their pressure up. The fact is that he isn’t a very good player,and he’s 22 so it’s not as if he’s all that young either. He’s slow, his range of passing is average, he can’t or won’t tackle and worst of all he’s one of the laziest players I’ve ever seen in central midfield. Yes he can hit it, given enough tries, but that is about it. Never going to be United quality.
@ Costas, I presume any premier league player just cannot bring himself to helping a linesman up, lol. Glad that Fagan did not seem to care. I would like to see more of this knocking-out-refs-assistants-and-linesmen, it serves them right, and that way players can get revenge for the harsh decisions made against them and it is great to watch.
@Fze123
Lol, to be honest, there are a couple of referees that I would love to slap the piss out of them. At the top of the list is David Elleray. And now, Mike Dean is gaining ground!
Wakey …
You appear to be the only other voice to mine trying to bring balance to the Glazer refinancing issue. (Read my four posts under Scott’s”Fergie Pie Selling” blog)
My main point is that the financial condition of the club has improved significantly over the last week (succeful bond issue lowering the interest payments and an new airline sponsor) and while the way the current owners bought the club is far from great why has all this broken out now?
The only answer I have for that is that there’s a lot of powerful interests out there who want to unsettle, distract and ultimately destroy MUFC. (Top of that list for me would be middle eastern oil money but all the ABU’s and the outdated socialist agenda of those behind MUST.) Sad thing is they’re all using our own fans to help achieve that goal.
My trust is built in one man Sir Alex Ferguson and if he says he’s got all the money he needs and that “he’s no complaints whatsover about the Glaziers”….and as far as he’s concerned … “they’ve been terrific owners” ..that’s good enough for me!!!
LU – IFIT (Love United – In Fergie I Trust)
@ Costas
…Alan Wiley, Howard Webb, Martin Atkinson are the refs I would also love to be given the chance to smack. What despicable refs we have in the premier league, pretty shameful to be honest.
Dave Mack – I’ll second that, very good post.
Stand Up …thanks mate. I think Fergie’s right when he says that the vast majority of fans don’t want to get drawn into ownership protests that will only play into our opponents hands.
On this site that’s you, me @Wakey @trevor and I think @GHTT who loves Fergie so much that while Fergie’s happy he won’t join the dissidents.
Hope there is others.
LU – IFIT
Dissidents? Hardly.
It would be naive to think that Fergie could convey any other image than that of a content man. I don’t care about any reputation he has for being hard-nosed, he would never speak out against the owners. Every single person working under them has the choice of being positive or shutting up.
Dave Mack Wakey – To say the financial position is far better than last week is so naive, even though united will be paying interest rates of 40 million a year, and the other condition is united have to sustain the success or it will get ugly add the fact they now have the power to sell old trafford and carrington yea it really has improved. It strengtens the glazers position not uniteds.
Rooney etc. … Sorry mate your simply wrong!
Don’t want to sound like FSW but the clubs interest payable has dropped, we have Turkish Airlines as a new sponsor and the bond offering was oversubscribed in less than five days supporting the FACT that our global brand has huge intrinsic value not unreasinably put a double our debt.
Those are the FACTS!!!
What is naive is your comment that Carrington and Old Trafford were ever protected assets in the event that we were unable to sustain revenue flow due to failure on the football field. All the prospectus does is spell the worse case scenarios to meet full disclousure regulations.
Get behind Fergie and the team and don’t let ABU and socialist half truths turn your head.
Bebeto ….. So what your saying is “In Fergie you don’t trust” Right?
LU – IFIT
How are you deriving that conclusion from what I said? More to the point, why do people have to be definitively aligned to one side?
I have every bit of faith in Fergie. It’s the owners I have absolutely no faith in.
Cut out the ridiculous sweeping statements.
Rooney/Dave Mack – what I don’t understand about the re-financing is why the Glazers didn’t go for 700 million at a fixed rate of interest, for a fixed term. Why didn’t they try for more up-front money to get rid of the PIK bond (or whatever it’s called). Owing 700 million payable at 9% means 63 million in annual interest; that’s a mind-boggling sum but so, too, is the income that UTD earns every year. Of course, that earned income is based on performance-on-the-pitch and so long as that continues then what goes around, comes around – and that’s why I can’t see anyone other than Jose Mourinho as SAF’s successor (not that I’m advocating that – just providing my assessment)
@Dave Mack
There is another way – how about if the fans got together and took the club over?
Keep on watching this space – two of us are actually working on something – the club means a lot to all of us – all this is passion and that cannot be discounted even if at times some of us may step out of line – including myself.
I do agree however that SAF said what he said about the Glazer’s because he has no choice – he is after all the gaffer and no matter what we stand by him through anything and everything.
I’ve been saying all along that the club is strong enough to sell itself – hence the bonds got oversubscribed and sold
But do not be mistaken – it allows the Glazer’s to pay less interest per year but more of an opportunity to pay themselves in order to gain or to see off the PIKS which were their doing – so they are using the club to help bail themselves out – they are truly fucked for billionaires – as an avid follower of American Football for over 25 years – they haven’t been clever with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers franchise – despite one superbowl win.
At the end of the day SAF will not be here for too long that too is a fact because age is against him. It’s high time that the Glazer’s were sent packing. However again I think fans need to heed SAF advice – the only way to beat the Glazer’s at their own game is to get them out with the one thing they came for at MUFC – money – and a concerted effort on behalf of MU fans can do that. For a lot of us the time of reckoning has come. It’s time to teach these people these non fans that you cannot come to our club specifically – rip it apart and think you can get away with it.
Like I said keep on watching this space
IcelandicDevil @ 23:05: ” Fact of the matter is that Gibson and Park don’t have the required quality to play for United”
I can’t really argue about ThreeLungPark although SAF seems to rate him highly; about Gibson – similar things were written all the time about TheScottishPlayer three years ago. So, about Gibson – probably not but you never know, eh ? He’s supposed to be very, very strong but his overall passing isn’t good enough – his shooting, though, is fantastic.
@Denton – Yeah, SAF has always had a soft spot for hard workers, so I guess that’s why Park gets so much playing time, and I could actually understand it to a point last season with Ronny refusing to track back, but I see absolutely no reason to play him this season, he has been complete rubbish in every game, it just makes me cringe watching him run around like a headless chicken on ice. Regarding the Gibson/Fletch comparison, Fletch was actually a highly sought after player by the big prem sides as a teen, so obv highly regarded. He did take forever to fill out though, and played out of position for the first 2-3 years of his United career, plus he’s always been a hard worker. Gibson on the other hand is playing in his natural position, but is one of the laziest fucks I’ve ever seen on a football pitch, and has no outstanding quality, other than a decent shot. A lot of people have been making the comparison between Gibson and Fletcher, but other than “much maligned United youth product midfielder” they have nothing in common. I just don’t see it.
denton davey – I dont think park or gibson are real united class but they are ok squad players, someone said this about nani that his best games have came on the right wing maybe fergie should use nani has uniteds RW midfielder. remember the arsenal battering in feb 2008 nani was sensational and what side did he play RW.
on the glazers denton davey Cmon you seriously thinking the glazers would put any money upfront they are what you call your typical free loaders. And it is about time the FA and the premier league putting in rules to stop free loaders.
– like club takeovers must be bought not leveraged
– and when they get ownership no borrowings must be placed on the clubs books.
you put these 2 rules in place and freeloaders like the glazers wont have a leg to stand on to cheat the football financial pyrimid.
any news about restructuring or paying of the debt????
plz let me know???
Rooney: “Glazers = typical free-loaders”.
I’m not sure about this statement – or the anger behind it. It was my understanding that the Glazers spent about 250 million “of their own money” (plus loans) to buy out the other shareholders. I don’t think that they’ve taken out their initial investment – YET.