With United somehow managing to mount a title challenge, despite playing for weeks with no defence, the media has really been scraping the barrel to find ways to criticise Manchester United. The Cristiano Ronaldo angle long disappeared with Wayne Rooney scoring more goals by January than Ronaldo did all of last season, so they had to find something new.
Own goals.
Diaby’s header at Old Trafford early on in the season was an own goal and we were truly lucky to benefit from his moment of madness. But I’d argue every other goal that has gone in the back of opponent’s net under the name “own goal” is anything but lucky.
The brilliant skill that saw Nani get past two Arsenal defenders before flicking the ball over Almunia should not be classed as an own goal, and certainly entailed no luck, with Ji-Sung Park unmarked and ready to put it in the net regardless. The goals Nani and Michael Carrick scored the following week against Portsmouth were deflections, not own goals. The goal that was attributed to Scott Dann against Birmingham came in from a brilliant ball in from Patrice Evra which Rooney would have put away if Dann didn’t. The same applies to Wilson’s own goal against Portsmouth, that Diouf was ready and waiting for.
Regardless, the media couldn’t get enough of it, and made a big song and dance over how many goals “own goal” had scored for us this season.
The whole concept seems bizarre to me, particularly when given how many goals Frank Lampard has to his name every season. Don’t get me wrong, of course it’s frustrating when a team you hate scores with a deflection, but at least they get to claim their goal as their own.
So, last night, in United’s 3-2 victory over Milan, “Own Goal” struck again. A good ball in to the box was delivered, Patrice Evra made a hashed attempt at clearing it, before it fell to “Own Goal” just inside the box. However, instead of aiding us, “Own Goal” put the ball in to the back of our net to see us 1-0 down.
Oh no wait, when Ronaldinho shoots and finds the back of the net because of a deflection, it is Ronaldinho’s goal, just as it is with Lampard. Despite the fact his effort was going wide or straight to Van der Sar who was covering that post, and that the deflection from Michael Carrick was the sole reason for a goal being scored, goes by totally unnoticed.
It’s a shame really, as after scoring in both United vs Arsenal games this season, grabbing one in the Milan vs United match really would have bumped up “Own Goal”‘s transfer fee…
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Good shout Scott. The same happened when “Own Goal” scored an OG against Arsenal and Vermaelen was credited with it. I guess it evens things out for Michael Carrick though.
Fergie sign him up!
its simple – we put teams under enormous pressure usually resulting in two things – either we score or they cant defend it and put it itno their own net, its a reward for having a go at teams on a regular basis during the 90 mins, its just another ABU excuse to have a go at united..
off topic
what does evryone else think about the remainder of the knock out games? i feel barca bayern chelski lyon arsenal seville and bordeaux will make it through along with us
Isn’t the “rule” that if it’s going on target and it gets deflected in it’s given to the player who shot, where as if it’s going off target and it’s deflected in it’s a goal?
Owne-goaler solskjaer is amazing
that is all
*an own goal
WHATS MICHAEL OWEN DOIN THESE DAYS? WE SHUD HV SOLD HIM THIS SUMMER FOR ANY PRICE… HE ATLEAST CUD HV GT A CHANCE 2 PROVE HIS WORTH AT ANOTHER CLUB .. AND ITS A SHAME BERBA . A 30 MILLION PLAYER IS USELESS IN BIG MATCHES… WE SELDOM USE 2 FORWADS THESE DAYS.
Come on Scott you can see that Ronaldinho obviously meant that. It was a stroke of genius. Scholes was just lucky….
@Nailer
In that case, it’s awarded to the player. Valencia’s goal against CSKA at OT was going out, but the deflection turned into a goal. It was awarded to Valencia.
Techincally own goals are those shots which were not on target. I presume the tally includes Carrick vs Porsmouth- looked like an OG to me. But one goal which was an og but was credited to Valencia was in the 3-3 game vs cska. So the total might be higher.
As for not being in the title race anyone who throught otherwise is a fool but we aren’t commanding it and that means winning is only possible, not guaranteed.
Luck is usually the place where practice, skill, and mental fortitude come together.
LOL
i thought the same thing when r80 scored lol
they wrote us off after the summer departures and since we still alive and kicking they have to find excuses for that, saying we lucky.
but if we considered luck then i’d argue that the title races over the last 3years would have been won by record points as chelsea were very “lucky” in 06/07 and arsenal 07/08 and especial the dippers last season as we can all remember their ‘lucky’ last min wins and so on.
you make your own fucking luck and thats what we been doing
so these abu cunts can fuck off
Valencia’s goal against CSKA at OT was going out, but the deflection turned into a goal. It was awarded to Valencia.
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Yes Costas: The award of that goal to Valencia made no sense to me. His shot might have been 4-5 yards wide. His goal against CSKA away was a nice goal on the other hand.
Heres a brain teaser…. now that own goal scored an own goal, will he be awarded an extra goal to his tally because of the own goal or will he lose a goal because own goal scored an own goal?
Off topic a bit, but we play for months with no deffenders or the second string defence and VDS not playing, but if we beat chelski to the prem, it will be all about Cashley Cole and his ankle and Bull dog Tranny not having his head right being the only reason they didnt win it.
Fucking ABU press.
Scott said:”Despite the fact his effort was going wide or straight to Van der Sar who was covering that post”
I’m sorry but Ronaldinho’s shot was towards goal prior to taking the deflection.
It’s time Own Goal starts every league game from now on to reward him for his prolificness.
It’s really weird. Our own goal some are deflection and yet they claim it as own goal. But yesterday should have been a own goal and yet it was Ronaldinho goal.
It was a Ronaldinho goal. HTH.
This just in. Own Goal’s sex has been confirmed to be female. Now the FA are trying to dock points off United for trying to hide this crucial fact.
Scott – are you telling me that it has been credited as Ronaldinho’s goal? Now that’s what I call a fucking disgrace!!
@Anon: If she’s female, then how come she hasn’t scored with Terry? BTW, speaking of docked pts, any fresh insights into the Portsmouth situation?
are u guys serious?
the shot was on target therefore it is ronaldinho’s goal
our own goals with the exception of valencia at home against cska were all off target and the deflection took them on target and into the net
therefore its a own goal
its pretty simple?
On a slightly more interesting topic, can there have been a more corrupt display by a referee in recent memory than Alan Wiley’s “performance” last night at Stoke v Citeh? Ignores bad tackles by City players, ignores Vieira kicking a Stoke player in the bollocks, sends off a Stoke player, disallows a perfectly good winning goal by Stoke in the last minute. Absolutely disgraceful. Tony Pulis was clearly shell-shocked in his post-match interview, he probably couldn’t believe what he and his team had just been victims of.
Since Stoke had the measure of Mankini’s multi-millionaires with only 10 men, they’ll surely fancy their chances of revenge when the teams meet again in the FA Cup.
One more thing, I was reading an article about the highest paid footballers in the world. Adebayor and Tevez are in the top ten, Kolo Toure is the 19th most valuable player in the world apparently. Even Gareth Barry gets paid much more than the likes of Iniesta, Aguero, Pirlo and Ribery! Wayne Bridge earns as much as David Beckham FFS! But as Garry Cock says about players joining Ciddy: “it’s not about the money…”
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2010/02/17/50-highest-paid-footballers-in-the-world-be-prepared-to-be-slightly-surprised/
obertanthenewstar
if it hadnt of taking a hugh deflection off of rio Van Der Sar had it easily covered, you gotta look at all the reasons ,and remember only you can prevent forest fires which is good because I’ve got shit to do
Couldn’t agree more, some of those OGs should have been credited to a player for sure. If it’s a deflection like Carrick’s or Nani’s goal then they should surely not be considered as OGs. It’s all an insane media hype, they should be focusing on how the FA are discrediting out players instead ’cause alot of goals these days do get deflected. It’s inevitable when there’s alot of defenders back in and around their own box.
I heard Real Madrid wants to put in an 85million pound offer for “Own Goal”. Mr Goal has improved drastically this season with recent form netting him a hattrick against portsmouth and being the second leading scorer for United ahead of Berbatov
Lads,
With regards to Own goals as i understand it, it all depends on the shot. if it was on target and got deflected then its a goal for the attacker. If it was off target and gets deflected then its an OG.
i think we need something just clear cut, i dont care either way.. A goal is a goal and at the end of the day 3 points is 3 points and they are all that matter!
I have had one hell of a hang over today, so ive been recovering all day!
Read a good interview with Fergie highlighting that he was Investing in the future of the club with rafel and he said the only way for him to improve and learn is to play against the likes of Ronaldinho. He also said the mistakes Rafel makes this season he certainly wont make next season, in a few years time we will have one hell of a player!
I totaly agree!…….. Him an evans looked a little nieve last night, but i think it certainly did them well.
@trevor
Hey mate. Hang over? That explains why you called Rafael Fabio last night! In fairness though, he did cut his hair and looked like Fabio.
I knew it was Rafael as Fabio plays on the left but got the names wrong.
I would love to know if fergie has ever plays both in the same game changing them at half time. I would honestly bet that he has somewhere along the line maybe if only in a friendly, Would you bet against it when they retire and their books come out?
Spot on Scott . The abu media cunts really are clutching at straws now. Any possible way to slag United. Moved from Ronnie to debt, to own goal. Andy fucking Gray even said that Ronaldinho had to do really well to get the shot in! I was puzzled after the game at the Emirates and Nani’s goal , which it was. How many times does a keeper get a hand to it before it goes in the net , yet it NEVER goes down as an own goal?
Ashish – Edwin had it covered.
Mancstan – Yes of course thats all we will hear. Fucking cunts. By the way I like your name “Bulldog tranny”!
Reckon Arsenal are gonna get turned over tonight.
Fred – The irony is that Adrian cunt Durham is proper slaughtering Wiley tonight saying he ain’t fit to ref. This from the same twat that was slagging Fergie to fuck earlier in the season for his comments. They have very short memories, the hypocrites. I really do suspect summat going on with the bitters and paying refs. They have had some ridiculous decisions go there way this season. Like I said last night Mancini is out of his fucking depth in the prem. Wish he would take that fucking daft scarf off.
Fred – Been listening to City fans saying tonight they are a one man team. That one man is a United reject. Oh dear it looks like their deluded dreams are coming to an end. How the fuck are they fourth? Aside from the fact that Spurs bottle it every year and Villa are nothing more than organised and disciplined. I really hope the dippers finish fourth and not the berties.
Manchester United will always sell papers so any story or dig will do. (Where are our papers based? London. Say no more.) Its just to wind us up thats all not even worth reading. Remember the season when Bruce was one of the top scorers , (think it was 93/94) mainly penalties they had their digs then, rival fans still go on Utd get more penalties than anybody else just like only Utd get Extra ‘Fergie Time’ Our club doesn’t talk to the press so any old pile of shite will do. Just look at the amount of players linked with us every season and how many, if any actually come.
Couldn’t care less if we get 50 or 60 OG they all count.
I don’t mind if OG overtake Wazza’s tally. All the more fun seeing the ABUs rage uncontrollably.
Sell him (or her) to the fascists and keep the money. We can do without him (or her). No player is bigger than United. Not even Own Goal.
Just came back from Milan, still on high from last night.
I just want to pay tribute to our away support.
THEY ARE SECOND TO NONE!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE SIMPLY AMAZING!!!!!
Off topic guys but just read this pile of crap…Wing and a prayer? We have dismantled teams in the prem the last few weeks eg Arsenal.. But the best part has to be about Valencia, one of our best players before Christmas forced out only by the red hot form of Nani lately. ABU twats.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/feb/18/manchester-united-milan-champions-league
I agree to that, Scott!! Media just degrading us for any opportunity.. I fed up with that !!
droylsden red – Yeah I have posted that on a later thread. Just another abu article by the dipper Kevin McCarra. When are the cunt’s gonna learn United are going nowhere?
King Eric – yea couldnt believe it when i read it what a load of utter twaddle. But then we should be used to it from the abu media..
the problem is ronaldinho’s shot was on target which means it is correctly his goal, the fact that the keeper was behind it doesnt matter