After Arsenal striker Eduardo broke his leg, Gunners came out in full support of their player, unfurling a banner which claimed they would win the Premiership and the European Cup in his name.
Arsenal were top of the table at the end of February, but after drawing away to Birmingham, despite their opponents going down to ten men after Martin Taylor was sent off after just three minutes, Arsenal spent the remaining months of the season in decline.
In the end they finished third, with the league title and Champions League they promised to win for Eduardo ending up at Old Trafford.
This week, Arsenal fans have made another pledge, this time for Aaron Ramsey, who broke his leg when playing against Stoke last week. Whilst images show Ramsey’s leg buckling before going in for the 50-50 challenge with Ryan Shawcross, Arsene Wenger has claimed that Arsenal are targeted by other teams.
The Arsenal manager launched an emotional tirade in the direction of Shawcross, claiming that the challenge was “horrendous”, “unacceptable” and “ridiculous”. He also claimed that “it wasn’t football”.
Whilst his reaction was full of drama, like his post match reactions to Taylor, claiming the defender should be banned for life, with a week to calm down Wenger claims he stands by his comments 100%. I can only assume he hasn’t seen the pictures which clearly prove Shawcross did not break Ramsey’s leg.
Regardless, William Gallas’ two footed assault on Mark Davies was far worse, as was Diaby’s horror tackle on Steinsson. Did Wenger brand these actions anti-football? Did Wenger call for his players to be banned for life? Of course not, that would make no sense. But if he is to turn a blind eye to the potentially career ending challenges his own players perform, he is certainly in no position to put players like Shawcross in the limelight. Let’s be honest, the defender was only sent off because of the extent of the injury, not for the challenge itself, which was obvious to any observer to be a 50-50 ball both players could go for.
Arsenal’s former captain, Patrick Vieira, has one of the worst disciplinary records of all time and in the Premiership years, no player has been sent off on more occasions, which is fairly shocking considering he had played here for just nine of the eighteen Premier League seasons.
This season? Only one player has picked up more yellow cards than Alex Song (who has played in 22 of Arsenal’s 28 league games this season).
United Rant sums up the behaviour of Arsenal’s manager fairly well but I imagine all of that will be lost on the Gunners.
Regardless, Arsenal fans have created another banner for their latest player to break a bone, with the hopes this will inspire their players to win something. Their last trophy was won five years ago and they are understandably getting pretty desperate.
Do it for Aaron? They couldn’t do it for Eduardo. In fact, they completely bottled it after Eduardo broke his leg. So easier run in or not, I struggle to see why Ramsey’s injury will be inspiration enough for them to win the league this season.
I wish Ramsey the best of luck and a speedy recovery… but he won’t return from the unfortunate injury to play for the champions.
holy shit! That’s one curvy leg! Terrifying injury.
not the usual “I didn’t see it”
I don’t give a damn how dirty Arsenal play when we speak about Ramsey’s broken leg. And stop attacking Wenger – I don’t like him, but imagine what would we say if something like that happen to Rooney.
Shawcross tackle was brainless, far too hard – it’s obvious difference between tough but fair play and pure brutality.
He didn’t want to broke Ramsey leg, of course. But he attack him so fouriosly, that he should have think about potential consequences!
chan the man i think wenger spends too much time watching the opposition instead of wat his players are doing because he never ever sees anything they do. God knows what he sees in training
I assume this was written to show how obscene a primate with a keyboard could be!?
“Shawcross did not break Ramsey’s leg”!? I know you Mancs must be disappointed that you could not lure him to you with all your Bank loaned funds but limits are clearly stepped over in this tripe. Look into yourself
Arsenal are right back in it and i would say if their trend of beating the poor teams they could win the league. The problem in 2008 was they also had other injuries like Flamini, Hleb for sometime and so on. They dont have many obviously difficult games apart from Spurs and Man City as opposed to us
Such incidents can either galvanise a team or completely shatter them . If arsenal have learnt a lesson and matured they can win the league. If not they will self destruct again. We have injuries of our own and Chelsea are struggling too.
Stay classy
So you are waiting for the history to repeat itself? Well, u r wrong this time around Mr. Scott. By the way the other time u were 3rd and went ahead to win it. Now we are 3rd…..so which history do want 2 be repeated. Apparently the former i guess. Well, only time will tell.
PHZ,
Btw, it is Mancs like you that keep me and others from thinking they are all morons. You display a decency that must underpin our competitive engagements and I agree that it is this decency that Shawcross and many parts of the British media have failed to display.
Well done
*sniffing* I smell the fear from the United contingent! It is coming to pass that Arsenal is really a title contender and considering the “easy” run-in… maybe even favorites! You don’t attack what you don’t fear and this article reveals a new tone of fear towards Arsenal’s possible late surge. To even get this far with no recognizable and established striker (RVP injured) and the worst keeper in the league… not to mention an “inexperienced/anti-English” side says something about the great management.
ive 2 screws on one side of my left ankle and a plate on the other side because i was walking down a road stood on a stone and my foot shifted and my ankle snaped life time injury
its been made out that shawcross shot the poor lad in his leg.
i feel for aaron but ryan shouldnt be be hung out by managers media men and fans
that photo is hard to look at but you can see it was a tackle and ramsey went down on it wrong
Ha ha Scott, why do you continue to write about Arsenal mate?
What is the obsession? Seriously, everywhere you go people talk about Arsenal.
Let me ask you, had it been Wayne Rooney in hospital on the back of that tackle would your reaction be the same?
You mention former players here, has Patrick Vieira ever ended a career like your ‘hero’ Roy Keane?
I like the way you try being sincere at the end of the article but at the same time mock Aaron Ramsey. Good stuff Scott.
I admit that Gallas’s and Diaby’s tackle were bad, but worse than Shawcross’s? How?
Also do you know when Arsenal’s last red card was? Over 60 games ago mate.
Do you not think that Vidic should have gone last week in the Cup final?
Maybe the reason Manchester United don’t have a worse disciplinary record is because ref’s are serial bottlers when it comes to going against Manchester United!
How does that fair play table at PL.com really work? I’m curious because Arsenal have the second lowest disciplinary record in the league if you look at the table in the “Statistics” section…
The notion that ramseys leg just suddently snapped before any contact was made is simply idiotic. We’re talking about a double compound fracture of the tibia and fibula. Do you really suggest that ramsey suffers from severe osteoperosis?
Furthermore – I think you have misunderstood the fair play table. let me explain; being # 1 in the fair play table means you are the fairest team, not the other way around. It’s not a glorified competition of dirty teams. although the media reaction could lead you to think otherwise.
Don’t we talk about Shawcross and Ramsey, not Vieira, Keano, Diaby, Gallas and Vidic?
It’s like: “yes, I broke yoor leg, but remember – your cousin broke my friend’s arm seven years ago, so we are ok”.
I repeat: It doesn’t matter what did Vieria, Keano and others players in the past, when we talk about Ramsey’s broken leg.
SteniS, my guess is that it is since the start of the premier league not just this season.
Gallas’ tackle that was admittedly bad only put the guy out for a week but it was claimed he “had committed assault” on the bleedin’ player. Shawcross breaks someones leg and he “just isn’t that type of player”…
Bull.
@ Wrighty7
Kind of ironic talking about obsession when every time the word ‘Arsenal’ appears on this website the majority of comments come from “gooners”. We slag off Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea on here all the time but we don’t get swarmed by their fans and YOU want to talk about obsession.
Irony?
I love the arsenal fans making an appearance in here, are the arsenal blogs that shit that you have to come in here?
Good post Scott. Arsenal truely are pathetic arnt they. It’s common knowledge that they are the most deluded fans in the land, right next to city.
Isn’t it about time the arsenal fans just woke up and admitted, this is probably the worst arsenal side of the last 10-15 years. Beautiful football? Na. We play beautiful football and get all the pots at the end.
Wrighty7,
Who’s career did Roy Keane end? Haaland’s? Maybe you want to get your facts straight there, mate, with regard to the injury before spouting rubbish.
I like how you admit that Gallas and Diaby’s tackles were bad (they weren’t even sent off, if you needed reminding) but then cite Vidic as an example of how refs bottle it against United.
Double standards as usual from Arsenal fans.
Personally, I’d rather see Chelsea win the league than Arsenal if we don’t win it. Chelsea players are cunts but half of them will retire in a few years. Arsenal fans always have been and always will be whiny cunts.
”Whilst images show Ramsey’s leg buckling before going in for the 50-50 challenge with Ryan Shawcross, ”
I got to this part and stopped reading. If any sane person can’t see that the image is AFTER the tackle… well..
@ Red Phil
Couldn’t have put it better myself!
Mate, do you even know what a 50-50 challenge is? A 50-50 challenge is when players have a equal chance of getting the ball. Ramsey got the ball ages before Shawcross so it was never a 50-50 challenge. Shawcross’ tackle was late, mistimed and reckless and Wenger had the right to react the way he did, even Fergie said he prolly would’ve reacted the same way. So don’t try to make Wenger look like the bad guy here.
Unlike the Birmingham game, we went on to batter Stoke. So it shows that we have grown since the Brum game. If you think that we will bottle it again, fine, but I think that Arsenal will win the title. If we don’t, I’ll gladly come here and admit I was wrong.
Anyway I don’t know why you wrote this article in the first place coz this has sweet FA to do with United. Next time try minding your own business, Scott. yeah?
Shooting from the hip there Scott. Wrighty7, explain why any united fans would be obsessed with Asenal.
I heard Wenger was demanding the FA that teams are not aloowed to tackle Arsenal players.
What are teams expected to do against a team of quick passing spinleess dwarfs? Let them play? No you get stuck into them, you do not allow them to play I am not saying injure them but you get physical, it has gone on for years, I feel for Ramsey becuase he is a cracking player but blaming teams for getting into his sides is natural, maybe he needs to look at himself, his teams are too lightweight hence no trophies for five years.
@ Le Gooner
Battered Stoke? When? In the game I watched last week you needed a generous penalty to beat ten men!
wrighty7 obsessed? ha! what irony. youre commenting on a united blog (its not the 1st time) and you call scott obsessed!
arse-apuss gallas and diabys were much worse. it was just bad luck 4 ramsey that he got injured the way he did. shawcross’ tackle itself was never a red in a million years. the ref judged the tackle on the extent of the injury
actual fair play table (up to date), to do with yellow cards and red cards:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/fairplay?league=eng.1&seasontype=4&cc=5739
Sounds like someones gettin a bit desperate and a bit scared of arsenal this year. Fergies already started the mind games and Im guessing its rubbing off on his fans. With regards to the challenge I have no doubt any other manager would react the same 3 leg breaks in 4 years. Come on how often does it happen to other teams, wayne rooney in my oppinion is player of the year if he was on the receiving end of a shawcross challenge I wud b pissed off, not only as an england fan but because I love football and this season would be robbed of him.
wenger has always and will always be a cunt. fergie was right when he said wenger should take his theories and go back 2 japan.
Face facts Arsenal, United are the best!
We’ve got the most supporters and the biggest ground. I can’t wait until the first time I enter the Theatre of Dreams, it’s not easy for me to get there as I live in Cornwall.
We’ll win the league and Champ’s League easily this year, like we did last year, we’ll probably win it again the season after. It’s people like me and my fellow UTD fans that give football in this country such a great reputation. It’s scum like chelsea, arsenal, liverpool and the blue scum that keep dragging it down.
UNITED FOREVER, WE”RE THE BEST!
“When looking at the Premier League Fair Play table, Arsenal are officially the dirtiest team in the league this season, picking up more red/yellow card points than any other team.”
you are embarrassing yourself, the table shows arsenal as the fairest
Why’s the banner got his face on it? Are they worried that some people might not know who Aaron is? Or is it some kind of teenage crush?
A truly pathetic article.
“The Arsenal manager launched an emotional tirade in the direction of Shawcross”
Bearing in mind a late and reckless tackle just broke the leg of one of his players, I think “unacceptable” and “horrendous” are perfectly fair.
In fact Scotty, lets look at some of your own work shall we! Here’s your response to Mad Dag on Possebon:
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/middlesbrough-thug-pogatetz-strikes-again/
Not nice is it, seeing one of your own getting a clattering. Now if i remember correctly in the end, thankfully his leg wasn’t broken but horrifc to see nonethless. So maybe Arsene’s “emotional tirade” is a little easier for you to understand now.
As for the Brum comparison, no doubt we imploded after that, concedeing a daft penalty which wasn’t a penalty and it all went wrong.
But in case you missed it, we actually beat Stoke last weekend, and the reaction was noticeably different from 2 years ago.
Finally finishing your article with a dig at a guy who has just had his leg broken speaks volumes.
This is a tasteless post, buddy. You write decent stuff normally, it’s a shame that you’ve lowered yourself to the level of an English footballing pundit. Have a think about it – you have it in you to write better.
all you gooners! this article was intended 4 united fans to read and comment. u dont like this article? then fuck of!! no one asked you 2 read or comment on it
all you gooners! this article was intended 4 united fans to read and comment. u dont like this article? then fuck of!! no one asked you 2 read or comment on it.
Battered Stoke, i thought it was a soft penalty the arse got.
Oh. My. Gosh. WHAT TRIPE!!!
Are you really saying rambo’s leg broke before the tackle??? WHAT???
Readbeard…..the reason you get so many comments from us gooners is because all u do is talk about arsenal and because there are so many of us!!!
Huzi, why should he go back to Japan? Fegie said he knew nothing about English football and a year later Arsene had won the double.
I’m all for the banter and i freely admit to not liking Man Utd, but jesus do i respect them and Fergie and most of the players he’s had under him. And I also hope that the anti-Glazer mob can win their battle (that they’ve done to Utd is absolutely ridiculous).
You might not like Wenger but seriously, how dull would the EPL have been without him, especially at the height of our battles.
Topgunprires, you’re hardly comparing like for like in respect of challenges.
If you bothered watching the United game, you would have seen that Pogatetz’s leg was deliberately raised high. There was no question of it being an accidental collision, unlike the Shawcross incident. Don’t forget that Pogatetz has previous for that sort of thing. With the Shawcross incident it could easily have been the other way round in terms of who injured who. It was all about mis-timing.
I understand why Wenger was upset about the injury to his player but I think he’s a hypocrite for constantly having levelling accusations at Shawcross. Even long after the event he’s still moaning. He should shut up IMO.
One more thing. You claim Arsenal is a dirty team but there is one interesting fact. none of our players have broken people’s legs. Gallas’ tackle was not 2 footed as you claim, but it was bad. Wenger admited it and apologised for it. He is not a hypocrite, if you weren’t so gullible and believed everything the media said you’d understand.
le gooner ‘wenger apologised for it’ so didnt shawcross and pulis???
You could at least watch your own video of Gallas tackle. You describe it as two footed when it is clearly one footed, nor is his foot off the floor. Yes it is clumsy and Wenger did apologise for it immediately after that match. Davies was off for 10 days – hardly comparable is it.
How come Gallas was hounded for a fortnight – but Shawcross is not that type of player> So what kind of player is Gallas? Does his mother not love him? Does he go out to maim people every week?
Your concern for Ramsey only appears after your nasty diatribe of hate against Arsenal and Wenger. I can smell the fear.
Redbeard Said,March 6th, 2010@11:45
@ Le Gooner
Battered Stoke? When? In the game I watched last week you needed a generous penalty to beat ten men!
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What was generous about that peno. I struck an out stretched arm in the penalty box. Most, if not all refs would have given it.
a few seasons ago when United beat the Gooners in the FA cup, the game when Nani did his little keepy-ups and Gallas booted him.. didnt Mr Wenger say if you dont want to be kicked then dont show off….
Long John O’Shea, this is Arsenal we’re talking about. Don’t forget that you’re not allowed to tackle them. If you do, you should automatically be red carded. Everything is very black and white with them. Instead of comparing the Ramsey incident with, say, the Busst incident they would prefer to compare it to the Pogatetz-Possebon one when they haven’t even seen that particular incident themselves.
There’s something very Scouse about the Arsenal fans’ delusional sense of self-entitlement.
Some manu fans are a disgrace.When shawcross broke ramsey’s leg,he was made to look like the victim.what if rooney’s leg was broken?how would’ve fergie reacted?remember possebon’s injury?AW said yesterday he loves the commitment of the english game and that tackling itself is an art,where did he say tackling should be banned?England will never win a worldcup due to some of the mentalities floated around by the media.they say english players have grit but no technique,how many england players are comfortable on the ball?Tackling makes a fan’s adrenaline rush but some tackles are over the top.For all the viera talk how many careers did he end?i respect manu but be rational.English footballers need to learn more on technique.
@ Tombo
“the reason you get so many comments from us gooners is because all u do is talk about arsenal and because there are so many of us!!!”
We talk about plenty of other things, look through the whole website.
If there are so many of you, how come your stadium is never full (unless you play Man Utd)?
@ Le Gooner
What was generous? The fact that the player was actively trying to pull in his arm so as to not make contact.
“Most, if not all refs would have given it.” – Whatever makes you happy. There’s clearly no point arguing. Personally I’m not familiar with the special Arsenal edition of the Rules of Association Football (The one where players aren’t allowed to tackle and are supposed make sure the ‘keeper is ready before taking a free-kick).
huzi
le gooner ‘wenger apologised for it’ so didnt shawcross and pulis???
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I made that statement coz Scott claimed that Wenger ‘turns a blind eye on potentially career ending challenges his own players perform’. Which is far from the truth.
The funny thing about Arsenal fans is that they spend so much time talking down to the rest of us about how wonderful their football is and how the rest of us know nothing – then they expect sympathy when things go against them.
You keep asking how would we feel if it was Rooney. Ask yourselves how would YOU feel if it was Rooney? Would you be crying in the streets, making silly banners and saying “I Hope United do it for Wayne”? No! So don’t expect us to get too upset about Ramsey.
Personally, in a world where hundreds of thousands of people have been killed by earthquakes in the last two months, I find it hard to shed to many tears for a teenage millionaire with a broken leg.
oh no…does this mean the return of the arsenal fans? and i just don’t mean on this site…i mean generally. in recent years they had kind of stopped talking crap about their beautiful football and how they spent a season unbeaten and blah blah blah blah blah. now that they can finally smell a trophy all the crap is back in full force. terribly sorry for ramsey, but fuck these gooners man. i mean kudos to them for being in the title race without RVP, but when you have your defence caught out over and over again and buffoons like almunia and fabianski as keepers….hahaha…almost comical to think they can do it. and yeah, they may have the easiest run in…but i’d actually be willing to bet $100 that arse-anal will not win the league!
“Whilst images show Ramsey’s leg buckling”…..are you dumb? If that was right then why haven’t all the papers come out and said it? Hahaha. It’s a trick of the camera…
And you talk about Gallas’s challenge. The ref was given the chance to change his mind after the game but said it would only have been a yellow…..
Personally I’m not familiar with the special Arsenal edition of the Rules of Association Football (The one where players aren’t allowed to tackle and are supposed make sure the ‘keeper is ready before taking a free-kick).
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What are you on? Wenger said a tackle is an art in itself and he appreciates a good tackle as much as a good pass, so do I. All we want is for players to be protected from dangerous, mistimed tackles. As for the Porto incident: the ref took posession of the ball so he should have taken control of the situation i.e organise a wall etc. but I dont expect you to understand.
Anyway, ciao.
@Redbeard
The reason Gooners come on here is because when Scott the Red writes an article mentioning ‘Arsenal’, which happens quite a lot, it features on Arsenal News Now.
Hence Gooners on here.
Once again,
I ask every United fan on here;
What would your reaction been had it been Rooney lying in hospital with a broken leg from that challenge?
Can no-one answer?
Arsenal News Now?
Is that some kind of twatty radar system?
“Oooh! look, “gooners”! One of those nasty northerners said something unflattering about our super-terrific wonder-club! Quick, lets flock to their website and tell them we play the bestest football in the world ever and that all of our players are the bestest in the world and that our manager is the only man on earth able to recognise good footballers. Then we’ll tell them they’re a bunch of silly-billies who know nothing about football and that their bestest player is rubbish even though he seems to kick the poo out of us every time we play them.”
@ Wrighty7
“Once again,
I ask every United fan on here;
What would your reaction been had it been Rooney lying in hospital with a broken leg from that challenge?
Can no-one answer?”
I would be gutted! I would wish the lad a speedy recovery and worry what it meant for our trophy winning aspirations.
I would not spend the rest of the season bleating about anti-United conspiracies, I would not be demanding rule changes, I would not repeatedly claim that there was something inherently wrong with English players, I would not be making silly little “Smash Hits” banners saying “Do it for Wayne!” and I would not be getting my knickers in a twist because the rest of the footballing world wasn’t as upset as I was.
Also, I would not litter your websites with sanctimonious whining!
wrighty 7
how about answering redbeard. how would yourll react if it was rooney. . . and yes it pops up newsnow but did anyone say its compulsory to read and comment on every article?
huzi: calm down. Reading is not forbiden for anybody. And – I’m sad to say it – gooners got a point – Wenger has every right to be emotional after this tackle.
BTW
Neither Ramsey nor Shawcross is ManU player, so this tackle is really not our bussines, is it? So why are you trying to defend Shawcross and attack Arsenal? We are better team – we proved it on the pitch, we are going to retain the title (I’m sure of it), and we’are in quite good position in CL. This is our bussines, not defending player who one day can accidentaly break Rooney’s leg. And his manager will say: he’s nice guy, he said sorry
I just wonder what your reaction would have been if that was Rooney leg sitting there at right angles!!
All we want is a fair tackle.shawcross’ was a wild lunge.he broke jeffer’s ankle,tackled ade from behind when the ball was off the pitch and now ramsey yet he hasn’t got a bad bone in his body?Good defenders such as terry,rio,vidic,puyol,nesta…would never go into a tackle knowing they would injure an opponent and thats what we are asking for.Dangerous tackles have no room in modern football.
Wrighty – why are you comparing Ramsey to Rooney? Ramsey doesn’t get in your starting team usually. Rooney’s importance to United is comparable to Fabregas’ importance to Arsenal.
I’m not taking the piss out of Ramsey, I wished him a speedy recovery. I was simply highlighting how daft Wenger looks for thinking Arsenal are targeted and for turning a blind eye to the disgusting challenges his own players make, in particular, that “horrendous” and “ridiculous” tackle Gallas made this season against Bolton. Also, how daft Arsenal fans look for keeping on promising to win trophies for their injured players. There’s no disrespect to Ramsey here. Feel free to copy and paste any part of the article that you feel is taking the piss out of him or talking about him in a disrespectful manner.
NewsNow doesn’t make Arsenal fans come here. It is a choice. Don’t talk about your fans as though they are mindless idiots who can’t possibly be in control of themselves when it comes to clicking on a link or not. Arsenal fans choose to come here which I find bizarre. I don’t spend time on any other clubs’ blog despite them appearing on NewsNow daily, but each to their own.
phz are u a gooner,dipper or bitter in disguise. the fact that you call us manu gives you out u fukin cunt. its the 1st day youve been commenting but what youve said so far is utter bullshit
Le Gooner – fuck off you cunt.
PHZ, thanks for talking some sense.
@Redbeard,
C’mon mate, be honest. You telling me you wouldn’t be the slightest bit angry at Shawcross then or do you actually believe ‘he is not that kind of player’.
wrighty 7 you still havent answered redbeards question!
huzi
not 1st day, but I admit I’m commenting every day.
I have right to have different opinion – that doesn’t make me gooner.
Which part of my text is bullshit? This about winning premiership?!
And last but not least – I’m not english, so I didn’t know that’s calling us ManU is s’thing wrong
I don’t post comments every day – that’s what I meant
@Scott the Red,
I’m just fed up with everyone painting Shawcross as some kind of victim. The last time I checked he was the one who broke a leg.
Of course he didn’t mean to do it, but when you fly into a reckless dangerous tackle like that ‘accidents happen’. The boy has broken 2 legs and seriously damaged another yet I keep seeing ‘he isn’t that kind of player’.
Now I’m saying how would you react if it was Rooney because maybe (and god forbid it doesn’t happen) people wouldn’t act like they are now. Its almost being dismissed.
Would Fergie be ringing Shawcross in support had it been one of his players?
what question Huzi?
Wrightly7
Mentioning Fergie phonecall is propaganda. SAF callad him, ‘cos Shawcross is one of ex-reds. And he didn’t say: so good you broke Ramsey’s leg.
And I agree with you about reckless chalenge etc, etc
but I doesn’t make me gooner
Kings Said,
March 6th, 2010@13:09
Le Gooner – fuck off you cunt.
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No need for that now, is there? I’ve brought some valid points to the table and none of you have said anything to disprove them. If you think I’m talking nonsense then state your reasons, don’t resort to personal insults. I know you’re better than that.
Anyway, I have to get to the Emirates. Ciao
phz
every1s got an opinion.its just that yours is stupid. and everypart was bullshit
wrighty 7
how would yourll react if it was rooney in aarons position. i bet yourll would never have showed the same reaction as yourll did with the ramsey case
Wrighty7, I wouldn’t personally be angry at Shawcross if that exact same incident happened to Rooney. I’m a rational human being and can see quite clearly that the Shawcross incident was a horrific incident.
That said, I would understand it if someone was slightly annoyed in the heat of the moment. Emotion can override logic in these instances – fair enough. But Wenger wasn’t just slightly annoyed, was he? As usual, his reaction was ridiculously over the top in the way he castigated Shawcross. Even a week on, long after the event, he’s refusing to accept that it was just a terrible incident in which Ramsey was unfortunate to be much the worse off. Either player could have been seriously injured and it was all about the mis-timing of the challenge.
As usual, Wenger is incapable of seeing what everyone else in the game can.
He’s using this unfortunate incident to further his personal crusade against players that try to play the physical game against his teams. If it’s not Bolton, it’s Blackburn or picking on Fletcher…I could go on. Demanding protection for his players every. bleeding. week.
The man needs to get a grip.
sorry, meant to say that Shawcross incident was a horrific accident.
It wasn’t that much of a reckless challenge you morons. Look at it in REALTIME not your fancy slow motion kits which make it seem like he had “ages” to pull out. Shawcross had the ball in his possession, kicked it a bit hard and Ramsey went in and dinked it but literally microseconds before Shawcross was continueing on. Tackles like that are 50-50 because of the fact its not a LATE tackle, but both players tackling at near enough the same time on the ball in question. It was a freak accident that his leg got caught in that fashion.
huzi,
legendary english manners, eh?
I don’t agree with you and – for example – Colbert, but I don’t say your opinions are stupid. Try to behave, even in the middle of fierce disciussion
@Wrighty7
Who on here is painting Shawcross as a victim?
Scott, I don’t mind other fans having a go at the Arsenal, but I’m struggling to see the point of this post. Are you arguing that Gooners shouldn’t make banners for Ramsey? I understand if you don’t think Arsenal will finish top of the league, but how can you have a problem with supporters wanting their team to win the title? Especially when that team is a mere three points behind the leaders.
As for the Fair Play table, I’m curious as to why you bothered to site a source which directly contradicts your position. Even Arsenal couldn’t top that own goal.
And to all the Gooners visiting this blog, remember that irrational hatred of other clubs is part and parcel of being a supporter. No point being self righteous about it. I didn’t feel sorry for Cashley when he broke his ankle. In fact I celebrate any injury to a chelski or manure player as long as it’s not life threatening. If the Shawcross tackle was on Rooney instead of Ramsey, I would be overjoyed. Get a grip, kids. It’s all just theatre.
the injury was bad, but its not as if he’s dead.
If you freeze frame the tackle one second before contact, you wouldnt be able to tell who was about to break their leg. You will see far worse tackles on motd tonight, that dont result in any injury whatsoever. Its pure bad luck for Ramsey, and not the witchhunt against Arsenal that Arsene Wenger would want us to believe.
@wrighty7……….you’re the one obsessed with united mate.
@ Wrighty7
“I’m just fed up with everyone painting Shawcross as some kind of victim.”
You don’t seem to understand that you lot are making him the victim by making such a song and dance about the fact that he (accidentally) injured one of your players.
To answer your earlier question, if it were Rooney, I would be far more worried about what it meant to my teams chances of winning things than I would be with making sure that everybody knows how truly horrible the offending player was (especially given the fact that he clearly didn’t mean it and was full of remorse).
I know you like to think you’re unique, but you’re not the only team who has lost players to horrific injuries. You are, however, unique on the lengths you will go to to belittle and vilify your opponents. You like to think that people are taking the piss out of Ramsey simply because we’re not crying over his plight but, in reality, it’s just that those of us who understand the game know that these things, unfortunately, do happen in football.
poor article,over a banner for aaron, so fans should stop supportng? if they should need a reason to get motivated be glad you aint aaran ramsey is basically all it says,whats the big hoohaaa for this old news?
end of the day the people talking about shawcross are not arsenal football club, this is something that seems to escape everyones notice
Fuck me, you arsehole fans are starting to sound like the fucking Dippers man!! fucking crying all the time!! the reason your players are always breaking legs and getting injured is simply coz your fitness coaches are shit lol!! fuck off back to GOON town and pray for us to slip up coz after the way we dicked you there isnt much chance of you not dropping points again is there!!
Shawcross didn’t break his leg? Of course he did.
Please don’t tell me you’re coming to the conclusion that he didn’t based on that one image. There were other images released shortly after the incident that show Shawcross’s foot to have made contact with Ramsey’s leg.
What you’re looking at in that picture is the aftermath. His leg didn’t break by buckling. Look at where the ball is. You can clearly tell that the ball has gone away, and Shawcross’s leg is coming away following the contact.
I think it’s completely ridiculous to try and discredit Wenger on this one.
I would urge all Manchester United Supporters to watch the Fox News boadcast of the incident. It is clear that Shawcross’ intention was to get the man and the ball whichever comes first. Shawcross is 22 years of age, 6 ft5″, and I am sure you are aware, is an ex Manchester United player. He is a litany of previous misdemeanours.
When he was on loan to Royal Antwerp, he broke a player’s ankle. Subsequently, he broke Francis Jeffers’ ankle Oct. 2007. When Arsenal played at Stoke in November 2008, Adebayor was getting the ball of the pitch, he then tackled Adebayor this resulte din Adebayor being out for 5 weeks! Now he has broken Ramsey’s leg in to places, and it is expected that he will not recover for 12-18 months.
As before, Stoke Football Club, went into overdrive. Good solid lad, would not hurt a fly!! This is exactly what happened previously, Stoke defended their player. The Stoke manager, apparently when he was a player, was also considered to be a hard man. Will the FA take any action?? No. I don’t think so, it’s only Arsenal after all.
The other bad injury Arsenal suffered in the last few seasons was Diaby. His leg was broken by Smith of Sunderland. Smith then moved on to several clubs, eventually leaving football. He is now an electrician. Let’s all hope that Shawcross finds his calling, and becomes a lumberjack! This would be more suited to his playing style.
I believe by now, even the most ardent Manchester United supporter will admit that breaking three legs, in such a short career, may not have malicious intent, but is certainly irresponsible and demonstrates no sportsmanship.
I would also mention that in the Stoke game in which Adebayor was injured, two other Arsenal players were injured and did not play for a couple of weeks. I am sure you’ve guessed it, there were no yellow cards.
Wenger is an absolutely intelligent, refined gentleman with a superior acumen, and I am sure this would be lost on many of the foul mouthed imbiciles that are currently writing on your blog.
But perhaps you should all consider why did Renaldo, your best player, leave the UK for Spain, and what would happen if Rooney broke his leg, what would be the Supporter’s reaction and that of Ferguson’s?
In Wenger we trust!
I’ve been away so I haven’t been on here in ages in fact this is the first page im catching up on and thats only because its a random titled article.
The lads broken his leg and obviously AW is somewhat emotional about it, I understand that… but I dont see any story here. So are we happy his leg is broken? Or are we criticising AW for defending his players? Maybe we are trumpeting United in a cunt like fashion at the expense of Ramsey? Or are we doing all three? What IS the story here? From what I can see, quite a few comments are coming across as really fucking stupid because half of you cunts would be jumping to Ramseys defence too if he’d signed for us, and you’d back Alec to the hilt if Ramesys leg was broken while a United Player. Personally I dont HATE other teams or players – YES of course their are exceptions – for instance I dont like Terry because hes Scum Racist Cunt and he has Previous with my team. But as a United supporter I dont generally go in for “cunt type” behaviour just because the target is outside my club. Normally everybody does that to our players. Personally I dont think anything AW said was wrong, Alec would have reacted the same way if that was Obertan attacked like that would he not? Shawcross isnt guilty of a crime but at best it was a LATE and casually HARD tackle, too casual in my opinion, which is why I get Arsenals arguement to a degree… they are the smallest and the weakest team so other teams will put the boot in even harder than they would against United, Liverpool or Chelsea…. but thats just my opinion.
not sureaboutthis article-
the team with the most points will get it, like normal.
If Man U don’t win today they probably won’t do it.
Same for Arsenal.
Arsenal may even have the best squad although they didn’t look anything like as good as Chelsea or ManU head to head, losing van Persie was a problem but Ramsey probably isn’t in the best XI so so long as they don’t have too many injuries inthe next few weeks I’d think they must be favourites for a place in the top 2, if ManU don’t beat Chelsea they might even be favourites despite the Ramsey “tackle”
Eitherway this article is a tad bit cunt-like if you ask me, no offence at all Scott you do a great job here, but this particluar piece sounds like it would seem more at home on a Chelsea website, not here, maybe I expect more because of eveything I’ve read so far? Personally I dont see the point of even mentioning Ramsey unless its to offer nothing but 100% support and sympathy for a bright young star. The lads broken his leg and AW is upset…. so I ask again what exactly is the point of this article? Shouldnt we be more concerned with Wolves and Milan? We dont need to mock Arsenal to Trumpet our club, other lesser clubs do that to us. I for one hope Ramsey returns soon, and Id say the same if it was Sturridge, Smalling or that new winger Lad at City
The last time smudge broke his legs at liverfool, we didnt go get a banner that we would win for him, though we had the players wearing shirt with his name after winning the league cup. when rooney had his toe broken at chelski, rentboy drogba getting rid of vidas teeth etc, no one sent us any sympathy notes so am sending none.When u play any sport, u have to appreciate the risks. crying foul is stupid, making banner of promises that wont b fulfilled even more moron-like. when arsenal fail to win the epl the easiest run-in, it will prove that they r the most desperate, idiotic and spineless pieces of shit they are! rest my case
@ Jordan
Thanks for the long condescending post. Special thanks for using all of the long words you know. I’m sure we’ll all sleep much better tonight knowing that all the money Daddy shelled out on boarding school didn’t go to waste.
Just a few points, though.
Given the extensive coverage the incident, why should we search out the Fox Sports coverage? Would it be because that’s the only one that serves your version of events?
What was the point of your post? Shawcross has injured players before. So? Stoke play an excessively physical brand of football. And? Other Arsenal players have been injured before. Wow, really?
Are we supposed to be impressed by your ability to navigate Wikipedia?
A refined gentleman wouldn’t lie about not having seen the countless indiscretions committed by his players over the last thirteen years.
Maybe you’ve never read a newspaper, or perhaps you only read the bits about Arsenal, but Ronaldo (notice the spelling!) left the UK because it was his childhood dream to play for Real Madrid, just like it was you childhood dream to fuel your sense of self-importance with long-winded internet messages that belittle those who disagree with you.
Paul Parker
THX. Good point. I tried to say the same, but my english is not as fluent as yours
I agree in 100%
I hate to say this but I for one think Arsenal have very good chance of winning the title. Though they have lost 4 games against United & Chelsea, they are just 4 points behind Chelsea with relatively easy fixtures than United/Chelsea. If Van Persie comes back, season might get better for Arsenal.
@Jordan Gooner
I stopped reading after “watch Fox News”
@ Redbeard
Thanks for the compliments, and the spelling lesson. My father was really chuffed, as he was an Irish labourer. I went to St. Bernard’s Catholic School in Stepney, which apparently is now called Tower Hamlets. You obviously like the sound of your own voice, as you appear to dominate this website.
One thing you should realize is that education and common sense don’t come hand in hand.
For your information I know many of the Manchester United old players personally, including George Best God Rest His Soul, Alex Stepney, he did play for Millwall. You can check this on Wikipaedia. we have just won 3-1, how much did you pay Bendtner to miss all the goals??
Come on Wolves!
Primates,
Some classless comments from a classless club. I have no problem professing my hatred for you Mancs, Chelski or the Spuds. However, I would still be outraged if Rooney or any player from these clubs suffered a potentially career threatening injury by a reckless challenge such as Shawcross made.
I find it enlightening and amusing that the first outbreak of decency among your ranks (well done Phz) is greeted with internecine attacks.
@ Jordan
Sorry! Did you actually have a point?
Wenger was wrong to react like he did to the situation and then after nearly a week when you thought he would have calmed down and take part in a much more measured press conference he continues his rants towards Shawcross.
Saying that, I have no idea how I would react if I was in that situation so I shouldn’t criticise but I shall!
Christ you gooners are truly pathetic….. I actually didn’t expect you to be so utterly blind… although you have a manager who is the master of selective blindness
As the pic above shows, he clearly broke his leg lunging into the ground…. to suggest the pic is after the tackle is hilarious, unless upon contact Shawcross moved backwards….. midair….
The ref even said it wasn’t a red but that he had to give one due to the injury……
You won’t win the league bacause your team is spineless…… add that to the fact that you have an utterly rubbish striker from Denmark..
once Fabregas leavesyou are in big trouble
Scott- normally enjoy your stuff but this is poor. A photo taken AFTER contact was made and then saying it proves that Shawcross didn’t break his leg- please.
One very small but important point….
THERE IS NO WAY RAMSEY’S LEG WAS BROKEN BEFORE SHAWCROSS MADE CONTACT.
Please, take a look at the replay. And yes Daveob2, shawcross’ leg hit ramsey’s and went backwards. That’s what happens when you swing your leg at a fixed object ie another persons planted leg. Is that really so hard to understand? really?
Why, of all things to take issue with, do people even need to bring this up? It boggles the mind how dumb a suggestion that is, as if Ramsey snapped his fibula and tibula planting his foot in the ground while running, as if it just so happened to occur a split second before Shawcross swung his leg as hard as he could and hit that same leg.
The ridiculousness of that one aspect of this post says enough about the level of objectivity and sense of the author.
Redbeard appears as the self appointed moderator for this thread. Why else would he make so many comments, he has nothing to add only gainsaying comments entered in his usual affected glib style. Redbeard your point is?