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PICTURE: O’Shea and Brown in Sunderland Kits

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Scott is the editor of Red Matters - 50 Years of Supporting Manchester United and an author of Play Like Fergie's Boys and Not Nineteen Forever. He writes for ESPN, The Metro and Bleacher Report. Follow @R_o_M on Twitter.

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  1. RedManWalking says:

    When is the first match of pre-season? No Football is killing me!

  2. Corea says:

    Sunderland games next season now must watch more than ever.
    Hope Frazer also comes back from his bad bad injury.
    Viva United. Via Wes, Viva John.

  3. Corea says:

    Happy birthday, WillieRedNut! :) Good man ? :) Most of the time i guess lol.
    Have a great one fella.

  4. jim says:

    Happy birthday, Willierednut, enjoy!!! never seen a redder nut in my life!!

  5. Mykidscalledcantona says:

    You no its funny as we were all in agreement that they wernt good enough yet now they’ve gone it feels so wrong..I mean of it was Gibson and carrick it wouldn’t b that bad but these r 2 of r most loyal servants and it just feels that something has been ripped from the team and with the ginga ninja, big Nev, van the man gone it feels like much..I just hope we get the big central midfielder we r lookin for as I think we need both nasri and opinion..good luck sheasy and browner wish u all the best and can’t wait to here the fans give u a huge cheer on ur return to old Trafford as u deserve it..fergie sign them

  6. paulj20 says:

    All the best John and Wes, united legends!

  7. Costas says:


    Actually mate I don’t think we all agreed that they weren’t good enough. They had to be good enough to be with this club for 13 years and play close to 400 games for us. Brown, O’Shea and Fletch were this team’s heart in a way.

  8. Devil310 says:


    Happy Birthday!!….mine is tomorrow :) so I’ll make sure to have a drink for you mate.

    If anyone is in Los Angeles, CA, we’ll be celebrating my 32′s at the Villains in downtown. Come on by, cool little joint with nice live music. you’ll have a good time

  9. mikekelly12 says:

    Costas – Well said mate, I was thinking the exact same thing. Anybody who has spent the length of time they have, playing pretty regularly for the greatest club side in the worl can’t be all bad. Perfect pro’s and an example of how to conduct yourself. Good look boys.

    Off topic, more evidence of City’s small time mentality…

  10. SirAlex'sSon says:

    Happy birthday willie, and best of wishes my friend. Happy birthday willie, and best of wishes my friend.

  11. Mykidscalledcantona says:


    Ok maybe not every1 but see wat ur sayin mate and in actual fact I was always a big fan of brown but how many people com on here slaggin oshea sayin he’s not good enough wen we get beat!!do u really think he was good enough?I think he has went down hill a bit so it was the rite choice and as for brown if it wasn’t for his injuries to would b 1st choice but it’s only fair to let him for fletch i agree completely..

  12. Mykidscalledcantona says:


    Look mate I’m bot slaggin these guys of or sayin they were poor for us and o never once flagged them on here all I’m sayin r they good enough now!!I don’t think so but it’s just an opinion.would I be happy if they stayed..absolutly.

  13. Rai says:

    Devil310 – You seem like a good fella, how about you pay for our flights :)

  14. Rezza says:

    Sad…2 wonderful ,honest player of Man U…wish them best of luck…will miss them but that’s life.

  15. Costas says:


    Ah, you mean in recent seasons? I don’t believe that Brown and O’Shea’s form declined a great deal in recent seasons. You change as a player when you get past 30, but they were still good enough imo. Brown wasn’t selected as often due to the emergence of Smalling, but he could still do the job when he was called upon. For example, Marseille at home. I feel that O’Shea went through a bad patch at the start of the season (who doesn’t at some point in their career?), but he rebounded nicely in the 2nd half. So to sum up, I think both were good enough to continue at OT. In Brown’s case though, it would have been hard to to break into the 1st team due to Smalling and Jones’ presence. So selling him made sense. In contrast, I still don’t find a lot of logic in O’Shea’s sale since he offered a lot of options in defence, particulary at the full back berths.

  16. Mykidscalledcantona says:


    I suppose that’s a fair reflection..I would have been more than happy for both to stay but like u said the emergence of smalling and the signing of jones would have made it difficult for both to break into the team..I must admit I was shocked that oshea was sold as his experience if anything was good enough never the less sad to c both’s strange now because it’s like the real united we all love ie the scholes, nevilles etc have pritty much gone it’s actually pritty sad..let’s just hope it’s the start of something great.

  17. RedManWalking says:

    @Costas – Well aren’t all of Sir Alex’s decisions like that? They don’t make a lot of sense at first. But, as the season starts, everything just unfolds and you don’t understand how come you never got it before when the logic was so simple! :)

  18. RedManWalking says:

    By the way – IF Berbatov is not in Sir Alex’s plans for next season and he is sold to another club, what would be your stance on the issue if he was used in a swap deal – say for Modric/Sjneider/(Any top midfielder we are after)?

  19. Northstander says:

    I’m not too bothered about losing Wes but gutted about O’Shea. I loved it when he knicked a goal he always had that look of disbelif and pleasure on his face. Here’s hoping he won’t be knicking any against us next season. Good luck boys.

  20. BerbaGod says:

    @ Costas – Thats why it seems a strange decision imo to send De Laet on loan, he can play at left and right back respectively.

  21. WHAT ??? says:


    Happy Birthday Mate :idea: :arrow: :mrgreen:

  22. Kings says:

    Willie – Happy birthday mate. Hope you have a great day pal.

  23. BerbaGod says:

    Happy Birthday to you! Happy Birthday to you! Happy Birthday Mr Willie the Red Nut!

  24. Giggs with the shot...Sheringham says:

    Wes looks delighted. Johnny, not so much…

  25. willierednut says:

    Big thank you to everyone! I will drop in later lads. Again thank you!

  26. Hillie says:

    Well its a good move having lacked much playing time @ old trafford. I wish dem gud luck bt not against man utd. ‘ki lo fe gba mo’.

  27. Alan T Hedley says:

    So many positive and loyal endorsements from appreciative fans but it is sadness for all the good days you had with them in in your side in the past. They have been great servants to your club and have reached a stage in their lives when each of you will recognise they deserve more than spending much of their time on a bench.

    You are blessed with a phenomenally successful team and a manager who has built more successful sides than most clubs have had in their entire history. He is starting yet again and I don’t put it beyond his ability to do so again despite his age.

    Your lads are joining a club managed by a former Manu player who has yet to prove himself to our club but if his purchases this season are anything to go by he means to make a serious attempt on getting into Europe and a top six finish. Your old boys will appear before fans who are as passionate as any in the game, they have superb match and training facilities and any player that gives his all for Sunderland will become a firm favourite with the crowd who will roar them on.

    Be glad for them that they are likely to get a lot of fun out of the game despite having suffered withdrawal symptoms from the heady success they have known at your club.

    For us it will be a solid base on which to create a cohesive defence for the future, now bloody send Welbeck back (please)

  28. JayDee says:

    Oh man how sad this picture makes me feel :(

  29. Burgz says:

    Clearly both needed to move on if they wanted any real game time. O’shea was just an average defender. Brown was great back in that fantastic Season of 2008 so was Hargreaves, but looked what happened to him.

  30. smartalex says:

    Alan T Hedley

    Thank you! It is a relief to know well-loved ex-players are going to be happy.
    They bring with them the intention to win trophies, and to qualify for Europe.
    Support them, they will not let you down.

  31. Che's Red Reaction says:

    willierednut – Belated Happy birthday mate, hope you have a good one!!!

  32. Ais says:

    John o’shea is the most underrated player but I wish them every bit of joy!

  33. scan74 says:

    Real shame 2 see O’shea has gone still felt he had a place at united great servant to the club always come in and done a good job for us

    always remember that last minute winner against the scouse u beauty

    all the best john

  34. richierich says:

    Seriously cant believe it !!!!!!
    Frustrating to watch 2 of the best servants at the club leave ….
    Remember wes brown in 2008 season , he was just awesome !!!
    Just wish good luck to these fellas :)

  35. TIME says:

    I think people have had a lot more respect for phil neville since he left us because he has shown by playing regulary what a quality player he is. Im not sad about these two if they go. I think they deserve to be playing week in and week out in the best league in the world. Its a great move for them, where they will be seen as the top players in that club that have won everything. they will bring that experience to a nice club like sunderland. fair plat man.

  36. TIME says:

    fair play (not plat)

  37. RED says:

    Best of luck to john & wes football can be cruel, time to move on some players play for the football not the money ye did good @ utd for years tanks.

  38. Red Devil says:

    Happy Birthday willie

    have a great day mate! Cheers :)

  39. Devil310 says:

    @Rai – Do you think I own City, mate? lol

  40. willierednut says:

    Red Devil and Che’s Red Reaction

    Cheers lads!


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