FIFA Law 12: “Reckless” means that the player has acted with complete disregard of the danger to, or consequences for, his opponent. A player who plays in a reckless manner shall be cautioned.
This seems to sum up fairly well the two incidents above. Both Diego López and Nani were trying to win the ball but both of them went in without considering the consequences for their opponent. Nani caught Alvaro Arbeloa with his studs, Diego López punched Nemanja Vidic in the head with both fists.
Nani got sent off and López wasn’t even booked.
FIFA Law 12: “Using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent. A player who uses excessive force shall be sent off.
Whilst both Nani and López were in danger of injuring an opponent, neither of them used excessive force. This also rules out the sending off for “serious foul play”: A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when challenging for the ball.
If we follow the Laws of the game, rather just opinion based on nothing other that what people personally believe should warrant a red card or not, at worst, Nani and López should have been booked.
FIFA Law 12: If a player plays in a dangerous manner in a “normal” challenge, the referee should not take any disciplinary action. If the action is made with obvious risk of injury the referee should caution the player. If a player denies an obvious goal-scoring opportunity in a dangerous manner the referee should send off the player.
Graham Poll: Nani challenged for the ball with a raised foot and only had eyes for the ball but caught Alvaro Arbeloa. It looked like dangerous play and at worst a yellow card.
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first! well whadayaknow…
If that deluded, bitter, angry, sad caricature of himself, Roy Keane followed his own logic Lopez should be off too.
Just had the same conversation upstairs with a few lads from work.
Vidic got punched in the face. Keeper sent off, penalty and maybe criminal proceedings.
He didn’t even get the ball, Vidic did. Any complaints from Vidic who was flattened? No. These incidents happen. Did anyone complain about Nani? No.
Crazy decision made all the worse by the fact that he had time to think about it.
Ask Roy and see if he thinks the keeper should have been sent off.
Keane, despite being a United old boy, is and was a complete and utter bell-end. It’s great to see that he keeps reminding us of that fact.
@gozi4u2nv – you’re a cunt.
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/picture-torres-should-have-been-sent-off/
if you go by the decision, then Arbeloa shouldn’t have been on the pitch at that stage. Check out the tackle on Evra in the first half, Arbeloa loses control and then goes over the ball and rakes Evras leg. Ref gave a yellow card for that
been posting this in the other thread..is there any possibility that UEFA referee commitee will realease any official statement about last night?
bad night for us,but united will always grow stronger!
love from indonesia to all fellow reds..all the regulars in here!
sorry for my bad english btw
Excellent post – exactly what I was thinking. Thanks for posting the rules which seemed to be edited by ITV last night.
Nani actually got the ball first too.
except nani didnt even see arbeloa charging in while lopez saw vidic clearly. what about the high stud tackle on evra also?
we can go round and round in circles, but sadly probably our best chance of winning the CL in the past few years is gone (with our bogey team barca likely eliminated).
Its only deluded liverpool fans and chelsea fans on twitter laughing away like assholes. Other neutrals, even many die hard arsenal and other fans are shocked and believe we deserved better.
I hope this brings out some fire in the team on the weekend, and i hope people realize how well nani played up to the red, and that he is BY FAR AND AWAY our best winger.
Also, with vidic in such commanding form, for the first time in a long time madrid corners and high balls didnt even bring out the slightest worry in me. what a force he is.
On the matter of intent, Lopez was more likely to have seen Vidic than Nani in the case of Arbeola…
But whatever. The ref was a prize dick , end of. But it really doesn’t matter now. We’re out of this particular competition. We will learn from this, move on and equip ourselves for bigger and better things to come as we’ve always done. We’ve had far bigger setbacks in the past so there’s no point dwelling on the injustice of this one.
This is what separates United from the likes of bitter, whining outfits like Liverpool
It was definitely a red card. Cant believe that this has become a controversy. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, so is Keane.
As Bobby said, ask Keane about it.
Its not rocket science to grasp it, even the most dafter of fans could see that nani had his eyes on the ball
Intentional, my ass that was nowhere near intentional if arbeloa sensed danger should have pulled out of the challenge, instead he threw himself in and then acted like a right cunt even though nani barely caught him with his studs. At best he only got a brushing not sufficient enough for him to fall like a bag of garbage
Ref was either bent or incompetent, you decide. Either way he’s cost us.
Let us not take away from how magnificent we were for 3 out of the 4 halves. Only the first half at the Bernabeu were madrid better than us.
I’m absolutely gutted BUT can you imagine the fire inside these players and the manager to do well in Europe next year? The same way the manner of last season’s League loss drove us on this season…..the way we’ve been knocked out of Europe will spur them on next year.
fuck this Turkish cunt
i think it was fixed
i am proud of our team great great match
now we must make the double
bring on chelski!!
what s the fucking problem with roy keane
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1555290-meet-cuneyt-cakir-the-referee-who-doomed-man-utd-in-champions-league
Van P didnt fight. I felt disappointing by his application more so when we went down to 10 men.
http://hereisthecity.com/2013/03/06/mn-picture-joey-barton-knows-why-gareth-southgate-was-so-scared/
“Sir Alex has won the right for every decision to be correct and never have a question mark against them,” said Mourinho.
“He is the best. He is the top.
“You (reporter) are nobody to put a question like that. I am nobody.
“He did a great job.”
The only mistake in the man of the match’s first name Cuneyt Cakir’s is two extra letters, ey? Bet he made a fortune last night!
Yeah without a doubt if nani goes he should of 2. Double standards at the highest level.
come on lads, buckle up. red or no red, there is no excuse for that sudden head dropping and giving them the initiative. still in it, still ahead. where were the calm and experienced heads to refocus the team ? talking to the 4th officials and one of the senior players and captains clapping ironically…..rafael could have got sent off too.
Sir Alex last season made some very odd and incorrect tactical decisions. But after the disaster against Spurs earlier this season – he has been SPOT ON. All the big games – Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, City and these 2 legs against Madrid – he’s set his side up perfectly. The job he got Jones to do on the likes of Bale and Fellaini are also further examples.
Welbeck, much like Carrick and Scholes before him, is probably rated more highly in Spain than in his own country now.
It’s a shame if this is Rio’s last season, he’s been magnificent over these 2 legs.
Also, let’s not forget that aside from Varane (who is some player by the way), this was a very experienced and powerful Madrid side. Packed with real superstars.
We’ve got some experienced players of our own but this side is also still in development. De Gea, Jones, Cleverley, Welbeck were all playing their first ever Champions League knock out tie. Evans I believe was playing only his third or 4th.
In my opinion this team is going to be a VERY good side over the next few years. People have been writing them off, calling them average, saying that they’re merely dominating an average Premier league etc etc.
But these two performances against Real have shown that there’s a lot of potential.
Can’t let this affect the players, we need to go for the double.
The damage is already done. But im glad for once that the lads fought till the very end.I’ve exhausted all the expletives in my vocabulary talking about that turkish cunt. Nothing that i say or do will make it easier to vent my anger. I’m already looking forward to the weekend when we thrash the living daylights out of the rent boys. It’s time to gear up for the double and frankly i dont give a rat’s ass about last night’s game anymore cause i know next season we’ll be a different beast
Ok heres my 2 peneth worth on the whole tie, 1-1 from the 1st leg I didnt feel was a good enough result considering the chances we had, should have been 3-1 over there, i thought the missed chances by RVP and Giggsy may well come back to haunt us. I thought we may well need 3 last night at OT to go through and so it proved. Onto last nights game tactics by Fergie absolutely spot on until that fucking clown succeeded in stealing the show. The sending off when it happened was a shock of course it was but reflecting on European football involving English teams should we really be suprised that this happened, of course not and whilst Platini is in charge of that corrupt bunch of muppets at UEFA it will continue to happen. These phantom red cards and disallowed goals often far too often against English teams to be a coincidence or bad luck its corruption at its absolute rifest, no question about it and I seriously think its high time we pulled out of this farcical competition because at the end of the day that’s what it is an absolute farce run by a bunch of corrupt clowns. Also did I really just read on that fuckin shite Daily Mail website that Rafael was lucky he didnt get sent off for that goalline clearance, if thats the rules were going by you twat then we should have had 2 penalties alone for handballs as well as 2 more for the punch on Vidic and the foul on Carrick I think it was and as for Roy Keane deary me the less said about that bitter tool the better I think, his punditry is about as good as his managerial skills, remember we’ll never die lets just get the double
well lads think for a minute. this is the champions league, not the english league to allow such violent play. the continent has a totally different view to the aggressive style of english football. they wont accept it. this isnt something new, we havent discovered america all of a sudden. my concern still remains the sudden head dropping and feeling sorry for themselves instead of finishing the job. thats what big teams with a winning mentality do.
The damage is already done. But im glad for once that the lads fought till the very end.I’ve exhausted all the expletives in my vocabulary talking about that turkish sleazebag of a dog. Nothing that i say or do will make it easier to vent my anger. I’m already looking forward to the weekend when we thrash the living daylights out of the rent boys. It’s time to gear up for the double and frankly i dont give a rat’s ass about last night’s game anymore cause i know next season we’ll be a fucking beast. Bring it on you feckin UEFA cocksuckers.
“Van P didnt fight. I felt disappointing by his application more so when we went down to 10 men.”
Was more disappointed by his finishing in both legs. He’s a top Premier League player, but he’s almost 30 and hasn’t proved himself at the highest level in the biggest matches for club or country. Hopefully next season he will.
Sparkz
SPOT ON
sir alex tactical decisions are just great this season
i hope we get the double
.nxt year i am sure we will win ucl
i am very proud of our team.sir alex is still the master.
hey guys.im just reflecting on the match despite being a little late.i woke up at 3.45 am to watch the match (I live in Asia) and was anticipating a great football match and thats exactly what i got.we played an amazing game against madrid who didnt really play up to their supposedly high standards.a valiant effort ruined by the turkish dick.first half was brilliant and when ramos the pussy got us the OG i was just ecstatic and felt just then that we were gonna make it through.then the most fucked up piece of refereeing happened and everything went down the drain.i was crestfallen watching our players trudge back to the centre circle after both goals scored by the virus who were lucky as they could have been due to our misfortune.overall,very happy with the determined performance our lads put in and we definitely deserved to win.too bad the treble is off now but at least we’re on course to our 20th EPL title and we have a tie against the chavs in the FA cup..roll on the FA cup then,lets do the double.
*for our 20th EPL title, apologies for my typo.
The statement on Rule 12 can’t be read like this, it is part of a section talking about NO CONTACT.
If there is Contact, then the ref must consider SERIOUS FOUL play, which is a completely different section.
The problem with the Nani decision is not that he got a red. The contact was always going to put Nani in a position to get a Red. The problem is that this Ref never seems to weigh the issues more harshly than most other refs do. He has consistently handed harsher decisions than other refs in the same position, and more concerning still, seems to hand out more reds to english teams.
Nani put himself in a position that asked the referee to make a decision, So did Lopez. The problem is that the ref protected the Madrid player and not the United player.
Arbeola could have been red carded as well, but the ref saw that he beat Nani to the ball. It was dangerous play to go in on Nani with clear knowledge that there would be a impact. Arbeola was lucky, Nani was not.
Can we move on?
Check this article. The ref follows real madrid and Cristiano on twitter. Shocking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2288903/Stats-Cuneyt-Cakir-sent-Manchester-United-Nani-Real-Madrid-Champions-League-follows-Ronaldo-Twitter.html
@FletchTHEMAN –
Can we move on?
Not yet. I’m still furious.
I’ve never been this hurt about a football match. The bastard had an agenda. He gave a red for a challenge similar to lopez’s on Vida, and few minutes to full time, he denied a penalty when Pat was brought down. Anyway the lads gave it a go and with a bit of luck, could have scored more goals even with 10 men. I am proud of this team. Now lets use chelshit get this out of our system a bit. GGMU.
According to Roy Keane logic, yes.
As sad as it is, we will never get any reward for all this. So we might as well start focusing on Chelsea and pounding the crap out of them.
i just had a look at law 12 myself but i find the following more fitting:
26: Playing in a dangerous manner
is defined as any action that, while trying to play the ball, threatens injury to someone (including the
player himself). It is committed with an opponent nearby and prevents the opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury.
27: If there is a physical contact, the action becomes a offence punishable with a direct free kick or penalty kick.
28: Disciplinary sanctions
if a player plays in a dangerous manner
- in a “normal” challenge, the referee should not take any disciplinary action
- if the action is made with obvious risk of injury the referee should caution the player
- if a player denies an obvious goal-scoring opportunity playing in a dangerous manner the referee should send off the player
to me this was a “normal” challenge considering he only went for the ball and not the player, but no2 would also be fitting considering there was obvious risk of injury. still, it definitely didn’t deny a goal-scoring opportunity, so no red.
Van P has done it in the league but this is the stage to show your caliber. Some of the chances he scuffed felt like the Southampton penalty miss, why go for the spectacular when a straight forward hit of the ball will do? Let us hope next season he shall turn it on against the European teams.
isn’t the most comparable incident Arbeloa’s yellow card? Studs into Evra’s thigh?
the media going crazy for rooney
is he really leaving
could ronaldo return
Costas – I find it funny, reading comments etc, hilerious how rival fans even have the nerve to defend that ref decision, oh united fans moaning because decisions going against them, they r not used 2 it, have they seen decisions go against united, like reading spurs swansea shitty and so on, and so on. If this was their team, they would say the exact same thing
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/man-utd/champions-league/news/crerand-slams-keanes-nani-blast_72697.html
Now I will be fair, madrid had a perfect goal ruled out, but if we going over all the decisions, ramos should have been sent off first leg, lopez should have been sent off, so should have arbeloa, we get a penalty ruled out. Ppl say we never took our chances, yea they were not clinical chances, they were savable, but last night was a screw job end of
@In David We Trust
Mate, I can’t believe we are actually looking for evidence about this not being a red. Should be a no brainer. I’ve watched football for 19 years and I don’t remember anyone else getting a straight red for a blind 50-50 challenge. I remember the Liverpool-United 2-2 at Anfield in 99 when Carragher hacked down Blomqvist in similar fashion. Carragher didn’t even get a yellow…
As for rival fans, they are one of the few things that cheer me up at the moment. Let them gloat. That’s just about the only joy United will give them this season. I do blame Roy Keane though. He’s giving them ammunition with his assinine comments.
cue more boring months of Rooney leaving from the 3 year old tabloid writers, according to roy keane then im looking forward to seeing the next person sent off for attempting an overhead kick within 2 yards of a defender. Oh yeah I forgot about that Ramos elbow on Jonny Evans in the 1st leg, guaranteed if any of our players would have done that in either leg they would have been red carded no doubt about that.
Fuck em. Win it next year.
Paddy Crerand “I played for Manchester United in European Cup Final. Roy Keane did not”
Crerand 1 Keano Nil
Worth a listen. FF to end of the game at 1:44 if you are pressed for time
http://audioboo.fm/boos/1249812-former-player-paddy-crerand-reacts-to-man-united-s-exit-from-the-champions-league
United lost. Nani’s red card was a game-changer, but 10 vs 11 is not truly a reason for our defeat. There are team that has overcame that to turn a lost to a win. Although it might be painful to see us lost in such a game, but it does give a glimpse of what this united team might be capable of when they played at their best. Although it is the best performance against Madrid but the strikers inability to finish the game off too when they could have left much to be desired. I am a bit concerned now about what is Rooney’s reaction after not being started. Hopefully he can understand well. Perhaps not a pleasant one but a sacrifice is needed to achieve success.
With this UCL chapter come to an end, United should focus on putting their effort and time into winning the 2 trophies. I just hope that the referee will be ashamed by his inability and Real will be dealt by the German team whom I deemed much better than them. There will always be next year, United will need to be a stronger and much deadlier team in finishing off games.
The ref. got it right. It was dangerous. Fergie did not have a clue as to how to respond other than exhorting the crowd to pump up the volume lol. So much for being the greatest manager of all time. Our BullShit Brenda would have done better.
Agree BCC not ready to move on just yet. Yup this should really fire up the team. They could sense it too, madrid looked remarkably clueless after their first attacks had been rebuffed. You could see them realize they (Madrid) were vulnerable on the counter and our defense was too organized to be breached from distance or the usual counterattacking. Also di maria leaving was a blow to their width, which is the only place where they looked threatening over the first leg. And looking at our bench they knew we could add even more pace with valencia and directness with Rooney. I expected them to score but honestly we looked set to tear them a new one.
With regards to Keano dont understand why he is being taken so seriously. He has never looked an honest pundit, not close to the sort of impartiality the likes of Neville have tried to shown day in and day out. He lashes out regularly at more innocuous occasions let alone such a big one. If anything Keano makes himself look bad, not just to United fans but to the world at large. I know he left with a bad taste in his mouth but then so did Becks. I guess that sort of vindictiveness is what makes keano keano. Mind you had he been there last night he wouldve been right there with Giggsy driving the team on. Legend on the pitch. Just shows how special Sir Alex’s man management was to channel that sort of bile into performances on the day and keep the team tightly knit.
Lets hammer chelsea.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2288940/Cuneyt-Cakir-pictured-Referee-sent-Manchester-Uniteds-Nani-Real-Madrid.html
IcedEarth. Spot on, with the opening comment. Hope this fires up the team! It was an injustice, pure and simple.
see this folks http://therepublikofmancunia.com/picture-torres-should-have-been-sent-off/
let s forget about thisTurkish cunt
we must focus on chelski game and make sure shitty will not disturb us
the double is on the card.
we can win the epl if we win our nxt 4games
and get the cup in 3 games.and with a performence like yestarday no way shitty or chelski can get near us
we will win ucl nxt year i am sure
come on united
Next player who attempts an overhead kick within a yard or so of a defenders head/chest should be sent off then according to Royston ‘Not bitter at all’ Keane for dangerous play, I’ll look forward to seeing that then.
Danny Welbeck becoming a man! Itwo games before The first Madrid game Danny played an amazing game and since then, he’s been on form, scoring one against Madrid and playing just awesome.
Great read from the Times-magazine.
The Times pundit Tony Cascarino praised Danny Welbeck’s performance, saying:
“No matter where Welbeck popped up, he was intelligent and industrious; wherever he was, he made sure he asked questions of his opponents. Welbeck, with his speed and his directness, has always made defenders make decisions, but there is more to him than just a natural athlete. He is far smarter now.”
Also what abou the arbeloa one in the first half on evra? pretty much the same thing!
@SL
The difference was that Torres saw Cleverley and went full force towards him with an unnecessary high challenge hoping to get the ball. Nani didn’t see Arbeloa and the did the necessary thing. But for what it’s worth, I didn’t think Torres should have seen a straight red that day either.
@SL seriously what on earth are you trying to imply? Torres SAW CLEVERLEY and did what he did ON PURPOSE. Nani did not see Arbeloa and had his eyes firmly fixed on the ball all the time as Arbeloa came in.
It was not Nani who was reckless on that moment, it was Arbeola himself. Arbeola got very vision on the ball and Nani, but he still chase the ball. Nonsense!
Guardian has an article quoting UEFA on the match.
Cakir still available to Ref the CL final according to UEFA, but a review panel could have overturned Nani’s red card by then.
Nani red card could be rescinded when review panel meet to review match.
United may appeal.
That will be a fun final then!
http://gu.com/p/3e937/tw
Poor Fergie, he is 71 and should accept all those bullshit and anxiety from one freakish accident that will avoid being celebrating his third champions league glory.I seriously fear for his health.that was pure robbery.when you see your team robbed that way then you are not a robot, you are human.but seriously then Fergie is neither man nor machine, he is a GOD, he literally stayed on the touchline asking for the fans support, while Oldtrafford were in a state of shock, he turned them on along with some magical effort from the”fountain of eternity” Giggs into an electrical Oldtrafford.that has kept me alive all the night.what a club, what a manager, what a fan.
Mail suggests Rio could yet hear from UEFA about his little postmatch exchange of views with the ref.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2288958/
The morning after the night before is usually the time when feelings are calmer, but not on this occasion. There’s such a strong feeling of injustice which will take a long, long time to heal.
When respected former English referees like Dermot Gallagher and Graham Poll offer their opinions and say that at worst, Nani’s challenge on Arbeloa deserved a yellow card, I don’t know whether that makes you feel better, or worse. But I’m getting sick and tired of gamesmanship and cheating. Watch the incident and see Arbeloa roll over and over, 5 times in all. I’ve been to Old Trafford thousands of times over the last 40 years but I’ve never seen a slope on the pitch that would cause a player to roll away like that. He clearly made the challenge look far worse than it was. Maybe UEFA should make him appear at a press conference and lift his shirt to see how damaged his ribs are?
Then there’s Ramos who ran over to referee Cakir. What was he saying to him? Was he asking how long there was to go? Or was he trying to sway the Turkish idiot’s mind to send Nani off. Every single person I’ve spoken to, United fans or otherwise, this morning say they couldn’t believe it when the ref held up a red card. The only person who seems to agree is Roy Keane, who let himself down and all the fans down, the same fans who used to worship him. Any more ridiculous comments from Keane like this, and his reputation with United will become tarnished, perhaps for ever.
The Champions League’s gone for this year. The annoying thing is when you look back at all the advantages United could have had over the years with the Final being held in Glasgow in 2002, Old Trafford itself in 2003, and Wembley this year, they’ve missed out. But winning the Treble was never going to be easy, that’s why just a handful of clubs across Europe have achieved this feat, and United’s success in 1999 may never be repeated by an English club.
Our time with Real Madrid will come. United have a history of getting revenge on clubs, and one day we’ll meet up with them again and make them pay.
What this sickening defeat should do though is to bring the players together. OK, we lost a game unfairly, but there’s a lot still to play for this season and when their heads have cleared, I’ll bet the players can’t wait to get stuck in to The Rent boys on Sunday. Get the league won as quickly as possible, win the FA Cup, and remember this moment when we lift the trophies, and shout even louder than normal.
What are the Odds?
- Nani’s red is rescinded,
- Rio gets sanction for inviting ref for a cuppa
- And Cakir still gets the CL final at Wembley
No joke: Howard Webb is selected as referee for FA Cup 5th round v Chelsea
You just couldn’t make it up!
Guess Clattenburg wasn’t available
Can anyone tell me why so many non united guy post here?can red Scott block them off?
Roy Keane – never loved/ no longer loves United, no United fan would behave like him. He only loves himself.
I forgave him for this comment in 2010, I thought he needs time to cool down, he will come back in the fold, he also rejected United invite to SAF statute unveiling, he could have put it behind him, SAF has, but I just think what he said yesterday and the way he attacked Nani have finally made me take of my rose tinted glasses, he would never have said it was a red card for any team but United, it was an engineered comment he did not believe that was clearly intended to kick the Club, that I cannot forgive – great player turned bitter twisted man:
2010 “Roy Keane last night stunned Manchester United fans by claiming he has wiped the club from his history and couldn’t care less if Chelsea pip them to the title.”I’m pretty sure they have wiped me from their history and I have wiped them from mine, so I have no interest whatsoever,” he blasted.
Wow. He hates United. He WANTS us to fail.
Cunt the referee stats – he is 36 and known as card happy, he has given out some 30 cards in last 8 games, plus he is not popular in Turkey, they said he used to be good but since he became a European ref he has been making really bad decisions, a player pushed him in Turkey after one of them, he failed to give obvious penalties, he is controversial there and now rarely gets big games, his ego is the game is about him, he wants to star and be in papers, so WHY was he in this game?
costas has forgotten his objectivity….ok man…we get it….but for crying out loud dont turn black into white just to suit yourself. players have been sent off for far less than a high flying stud challenge on opponent’s stomach. In the 19 years you follow the game what do you mean exactly? epl or football in the continent as well? if you follow football outside of england you will know that the aggression of the epl is not allowed outside of england. Then again instead of blaming it all somewhere else have the balls to admit that a team of character and winning mentality does not drop like that while still in front and still with qualification in their hands. You would expect serial winners who have been there and seen it all ( giggs rio vidic evra) to snap everyone out of the red distraction and focus on defending…if you remember united was also attacking after the change in score…why did they wait for the score to change to play as they should? but then again when the manager loses his focus it transmits to the team too. this is not a criticism this is normal human behaviour. Win lose or draw you expect the highly respected figurehead of manchester united to come out and speak..not hide behind some imaginary “wrath” and anger…thats silly games for the media and cameras… he isnt 12 years old to act like that. i expect better, lot better and a lot more class than that. And no..mourinho;s sucking doesnt ease the pain at all…in fact it makes it worse..who the fuck is mou to feel sorry for united and talk with such pity ?….
Fukin robbed last night!! Now bring on them chelsea cunts see if thier laughing weekend they have a £50million pound striker who only scores against league 1 teams in the fa cup
manc harvin …..yes arbeloa milked it 100%..can you tell me what nani was doing rolling down acting as if injured ? are we serious? was he trying to get away with it? was he trying to show that he was fouled? how is that acceptable? he aint wearing the sporting lisbon shirt. he is wearing the manchester united shirt! a little bit of class and respect please. just cause his antics suit the team from time to time that dont mean we cant be honest about it. wasnt he the one throwing his toys about a new contract ? good luck nani…see you around…
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fucking disgrace
@salmok
Of course there have been more ridiculous sending offs. I was talking about the type of challenge that Nani made and whether that warrants a red. Read carefully next time. And yes, that harsh red cost us the tie. Nani coming off meant Welbeck taking his place, which meant freeing up Alonso. Add Modric’s arrival to that and you have Real dominating the midfield battle against a ten man team. The only reason United created opportunities after Real went 2-1 ahead was because Mourinho was content with that scoreline and had his team back track (evident by his decision to bring on Pepe). You expected United to play like they did before the red against a team like Real? Lol.
Amazingly, there is one quote making the rounds from Ferguson, apparently from the match
@AzmarKhan “I’ve lost two finals against Barcelona and I deserved that, but tonight I feel robbed” Sir Alex Ferguson
Anyone else know that this is genuine?
Even the bookies know we were robbed!!
http://www.sportsbet.com.au/blog/home/money-back-on-man-united-justice-refund#.UTdNA1fBitM
@salmok
Of course we fought until the end, but if you watched the game, you would ave noticed that the game was cut off at the sending off, the game changed drastically, they got more space and that’s it, Real Madrid will punish you with 11 men not to mention with 10 men.
The game changed, even with 10 men I though that we wil lremain 1-0 or 1-1 and push it, hell SAF and others thinked the same. And yes we fought, and even at 2-1 I believed that we will tie the game and win it, and we almost doen it, so imagine with 11 men at the pitch, firstly it wouldn’t be 2-1 for Madrid, the most 1-1. So to say that we shouldn’t complain or that we didn’t fought is insane.
The game changed and the whole world thinks the same. hell, Mourinho and even some Madrid players came out and said it was a surprise see the red, so what’s the deal?
We fought till the end! UNITED WE STAND
In relation to substitutions, yes they could have been made earlier, but SAF probably felt the team would settle after Danny moved left, but they didn’t so he changed it, I don’t think Young made a difference, Rooney maybe could have with more time but he wasn’t exactly sharp, Pea, who knows, he would be up against a lot of pace in Ramos and Varane.
I don’t think the subs made as much of a difference as the lads just getting their heads back in the game and re-grouping. Don’t forget Maureen made subs after Nani was off and flooded mid field, so not only did we have less cover, we were flooded centrally, we adjusted to it but by that time it was too late, Madrid were also happy to see the game out after they got two goals.
In terms of the goals, Modric the bitch had time and space to fire off what is a very good strike, maybe we could have closed him down better but Maureen saw the obvious gap and stretched us with MF players, he was not picked up.
For the second goal, yes Rafael lost Ronnie a bit.
Could we have defended the better possibly yes, but Maureen did capitalise on the sending off, we had to then adapt to their new form with 10 men and we did, but it was too late by then. Would our subs have made a difference if they had come on earlier, who knows.
costas i aint denying that the red made a difference, i just dont agree that it changed the tie to the dramatic scale it is made out to be. united has progressed in europe even with 4-6-0 …with 9 the team could easily set two banks of four and play 441 or even better 450 …not so dramatic. just 30mins to go and ahead on score with qualification in their hands remember. but no they prefered to complain and sulk instead of lifting their sleeves up and do the extra shift required. to deny it makes you look one-sided. you know it, keano would be ripping heads off and tackling like a lion and rallying everybody up…. rio was clapping at the ref……not nice. thats not the culture at united. the fact he was later seen going up to the ref to shake his hands made him and the club look stupid. someone obviously told him that such a behaviour carries a fine and was sent back to apologise ..sort of…. big clubs dont complain about referees….even when shafted they take it on the chin and move on..they dont throw tantrums.
@ salmok – the RULE for RED – if in doubt don’t give it out – you have to be certain – the ref got it wrong by a mile, everyone, even former refs say that, if people were sent off for less then those were errors too. Are you being objective or provocative?
In terms of objectivity, we are United fans, I don’t give damn about who else does or does not get decisions my focus is on my team.
Holy cow, if the bookies are making refunds you know for cert the decision was WRONG there are no two ways about it.
Proof of the pudding – if United appeal that red card, as they will, they will WIN…! unless UEFA are more corrupt that I imagined, that red does not stand.
@salmok
The same Roy Keane that once started chasing Andy D’Urso all around the pitch because he gave Middlesborough a dubious penalty at Old Trafford? Trust me. He’s lost the plot a lot worse than Rio did yesterday. Numerous times.
As for our reaction after the sending off, again, you expect a reaction that could only work on fantasy manager. The manager reverted the system to 4-4-1 with Welbeck on the left. No one sulked until it was over and they gave their all. And we weren’t playing against a bunch of mugs either. Any team with Kaka, Ronaldo, Ozil, Higuain, Alonso and even Modric is bound to get a hold of the game in that circumstance. If I could fault Fergie for one thing, it would be that he didn’t bring someone on to help out in midfield. But then again, we had no midfielders on the bench did we?
well red onion its only your bias that calls that a questionable red. harsh yes but questionable? no sir, no. nani’s foot is high, studs showing and connects with opponent. what else do you need? silly? yes harsh? yes. too strict perhaps? yes i agree to all of that….but questionable? no. this is europe, you cant play like youre in the premiership where such things arent even looked at. the epl refs allow things on the field that europe doesnt.
your last sentence indicates that you dont take football seriously….. perhaps thats why nani;s red is so questionable to your eyes. your eyes….i insist.
@costas exaclty mate, “If I could fault Fergie for one thing, it would be that he didn’t bring someone on to help out in midfield. But then again, we had no midfielders on the bench did we?”
ifs and buts part74. now after the game it’s easy to say that we should have played 450, and probably should have, but the game changed, Madrid got the domination and with that kind of quality, you expect them to score, and you expect us to fight as we did, but the game changed and 10minutes after tthe sending off, it was 1-2.
yes, we shouldn’t complain, but every team would have complained about a decision that changed the game, it’s not the first time you see it in football, sometiems the underdog with 10men hangs on, but usually when 2 big teams play and htere’s 30minutes left to play with 10men, it’s over before you even know it.
kaka hasnt played any serious football in the last 3 years…. what? he turned into superman all of a sudden ? sorry i dont get your comment about fantasy manager …..united – roma 7-1 with 4-6-0 …also the case when scholes fired one on valdez top corner..again 460…so how come a 450 wasnt workable last night? this isnt fantasy….it has happened ,,,its data, background info, experience all filed in and processed by coaches managers tacticians in the club
I guess I missed the part where Alan Smith didn’t start against Roma or where Tevez didn’t start against Barcelona and we played those games without a striker. Dear Lord. United have never played a system without a striker. Even against Bayern in 2010 when Rooney got injured and Nani played up front on his own. There’s always going to be a player up front, otherwise, you will have the opponent’s defenders galloping forward too.
@WeAreUnited
I’ve watched United lose or draw games where the officiating was anything but friendly. But if our team didn’t perform, I’d never blame it on the ref. That’s not what happened yesterday. Until Nani’s red, United were in firm control and it was a decision that changed the entire complexion of the tie. Even Mourinho admitted as much.
@costas mate, I have nothing more to add, to your comments, spot on mate. they got their 2 chances and scored, we fought the game and tried even to win it, but you knew from that 55minute that it’s going to be hard against Madrid, to keep it for 30minutes. sometiems you do it and 9/10 you don’t.
@sSalmok http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2013/03/vincent-kompany-gerard-pique-twitter-real-madrid-manchester-united/
read those twitter accounts and tell me how many proffesional player from ex-players are wrong about the decision? all agree, the only ones that don’t agree is RoyKeane, supposedly our “legend”.
Everyone there agrees that it ruined and changed the game, so how are we wrong? even though we don’t play the game anymore or some that have never played, it doesn’t mean we don’t know anything or are only biased.
As I said in another post, it really doesnt matter. Honestly, it doesn’t. The ref could have just disallowed every goal in the game and awarded madrid a phantom 1-0 win and no one would question it. I have no idea why UEFA are so completely scared to death of admitting blatant errors. I honestly don’t see myself watching/getting excited about the champions league anymore, its not even a real competition if this is the acceptable standard for how game sshould be officiated.
Rafael was lucky with the handball on the line shortly after the red for Nani.
@ andy – Bullshit – Rafael did not do handball – it was ball to hand, he was jumping, his arm never moved, the guy was right next to him he had no time to react and pull his arm away.
You have to MOVE your arm TOWARDS the ball deliberately for it to be handball – ARM to BALL not BALL to ARM when you have NO TIME to move it.
People saying Rafael should have got a red for that are talking bullshit and too lazy to look up rules and just come on threads and talk shite.
Salmok fuck off.. That is all
Here is the best of the Twitter reaction from the professionals, both past and present, in chronological order to Madrid’s triumph.
Former Liverpool midfielder Jason McAteer (@MCATEER4) is surprised by Wayne Rooney’s omission: “Massive call leaving Rooney on the bench. Writing is on the wall. Ferguson always has the last laugh. The only person happy in the Rooney camp is – his agent.”
Well, the striker’s wife Coleen Rooney (@ColeenRoo) certainly isn’t happy: “Can’t believe @WayneRooney isn’t starting tonight!!! Don’t know much about football, so not trying to say anything!! Was just excited to watch my husband play in a big game! Hopefully he will.”
Barcelona defender Gerard Piqué (@3gerardpique) hails his former team-mate: “Giggs playing his 1000th career appearance against Real Madrid!#legend #ChampionsLeague”
While French striker Louis Saha (@louissaha08) adds to Piqué’s tribute: “#giggs1000 Legend in the making.”
Olympian Usain Bolt (@usainbolt) is ready to watch his team win: “Let’s do this, my team #MUFC”
Former Sunderland midfielder Michael Gray (@mickygray33) backs Ferguson’s decision to play Danny Welbeck: “Wow what a game this is… Welbeck is like a man possessed..#championsleague”
Ex-Norwich star Iwan Roberts (@iwanwroberts) reckons Rooney would have scored a Welbeck chance: “Rooney would have tucked that away!!”
Swansea’s Wayne Routledge (@WayneRoutledge) isn’t impressed by Los Blancos: “Real Madrid got to do way more… Ronaldo been missing so far, Man Utd tactics spot on! But it only takes one chance…”
Golfer and United fan Rory McIlroy (@McIlroyRory) revels in Ramos’s own goal: “Great finish from Ramos there! #MUFC”
AC Milan’s Kevin-Prince Boateng (@KPBofficial) can’t believe Nani’s red card: “How can you give a red card for that??? Is he serious….??? That’s sad killing a big game like that… #ManUvRealM”
Manchester City captain Vincent Kompany (@VincentKompany) disagrees with the referee’s decision: “Never a red card.”
Norwich midfielder Anthony Pilkington (@Pilkington_11) reckons the official is an attention seeker: “What is the ref doing!!? This clown loves a red card!! Why do some referees think the games about them!! #headsgone”
Dutch legend Ruud Gullit (@GullitR) says the game has been ruined: “ Unbelievably bad decision by the ref. The red card changed the whole game for #manchesterunited…”
Chris Samba (@cs4christsamba1) agrees with Gullit: “Changed the whole game, Real Madrid are putting some real pressure on.”
Spurs youth star Alex Pritchard (@pritch_93) is delighted for his former team-mate: “Luka buzzing for him!!!!!!!”
Southampton’s Luke Shaw (@Luke_shaw3) reckons the Croatian midfielder has made a telling impact: “What a goal, since he has been on, he has changed the game for Madrid!”
City defender Joleon Lescott (@JoleonLescott) wants Ronaldo to celebrate after scoring: “Don’t apologise cause you’re not sorry. #CR7”
Marseille midfielder Joey Barton (@Joey7Barton) reckons he can see a tear in Ronaldo’s eye: “Was Ronaldo crying then? Seriously, am sure he was crying two minutes after he scored. Was I seeing things?”
Reading striker Jason Roberts (@JasonRoberts30) says there is no doubt it wasn’t a red card: “Some people may not like United..or are supporting Real or whatever..but..if you think that’s a red you need to give your head a shake…”
Arsenal fan Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) is in a joyful mood on Twitter – for once: “Van Pursestrings doing a lot of air-shots tonight. He does realise you have to connect with the ball, right?”
Ex-Liverpool defender Neil Ruddock (@RealRazor) is looking forward to Sir Alex Ferguson’s post-match interview: “Watching this game to the end Fergie will be fuming, could come on the pitch I reckon!!!”
West Brom goalkeeper Ben Foster (@BenFoster) will be kept waiting as an enraged Ferguson refuses to speak to the media: “This post-match interview will be interesting….#robbed”
QPR striker Jay Bothroyd (@jaybothroyd) reckons José Mourinho is vying for the United job: “Mourinho is definitely the next Man Utd manager I think ..”
Roy Keane says the referee was right to send off Nani, and England cricket star Alex Hales (@AlexHales1) won’t be disagreeing with the former United captain: “I’m not arguing with Keane, if he says the sky is pink, it’s pink! #cannon”
Finally, Gareth Bale (@GarethBale11) reckons his former Spurs team-mate made the difference: “Harsh on United. Thought Modric made the difference when he came on. Giggs 1000 games… #legend”
No way it was red card for Nani. Chalton Cole did the same and i feel he is wrongly red carded too.
There is no malice, yes it hit but is it forceful? No.
I guess football cannot raise your feet again anymore anywhere.
No bicycle/side kick okay. Its a red card.
NBI Onion………………….hardly. The ball was heading for the net so rules being rules, thats preventing a goal scoring chance. Red card any day of the week.
As for the ref………..Cakir has a reputation. He rightly sent off Terry last season vs Barca in the Camp Nou for Terry’s sly dig and also sent Balotelli off in the past vs Dynamo Kiev for a higher foot than Nani’s last night. Youtube it.
So far, only ABUs can claim that it is a red, Keane included, he is officially an ABU now. Hell, even many of the ABUs don’t think it was red.
Anyway, its over. If the ref who royally screwed Chelsea against Barca that year didn’t get anything, don’t expect anything here too, that is how weak, or corrupt FIFA & UEFA is. Not something we don’t know.
It blew my mind when this happened that the ref didn’t even speak to Lopez, much less card him. Double standards..
not only should Lòpez been sent off, it was a stone wall penalty if you ask me. If you have a late challenge as an outfield player, it is a clear yellow card. Imagine Vidic trying to head the ball with two fists launched against him. A wonder he even hitted the ball.
Wellbeck and Evra should have had penalties in the second half as well, when reduced to ten men. And what about the challenge on Evra just outside the box in the first half, not when he fell down but the first part of the battle. Clear cut.
What a shock Uefa thinks its all right..
UEFA REACTION:
The official will not face any immediate action from Uefa, with the governing body unconcerned by the storm surrounding him and happy to wait for reports into his display from the referee’s observer, Pierluigi Collina, and match delegate Rudolf Zavrl, both of whom were in attendance at Old Trafford.
“We have no problem with him,” a Uefa spokesman said. “There are no issues for us regarding the sending off and we will wait for the official reports of the match delegate and the referee’s observer, as is procedure. If they raise concerns then we will act.”
Asked if Cakir was in any danger of not referring again during this season’s Champions League, the spokesman added: “He remains on our list of officials.”
Uefa has also confirmed that Nani will receive an automatic one-match European suspension following his red card and that United can appeal against the sanction only after the governing body’s disciplinary panel has meet to discuss the issue when, it is possible, the suspension could be raised.
Cakir, meanwhile, flew back to Istanbul from Manchester on Wednesday morning and is scheduled to recommence refereeing duties in Turkey’s Super Lig this weekend.
The insurance agent started officiating in his homeland’s top division 12 years ago before progressing to the Uefa Cup in 2008. He made his Champions League debut in September 2010, taking charge of a group match between Rubin Kazan and Barcelona that ended 1-1 and in which both goals came via penalties.
Cakir has history with English clubs and players, having sent off Mario Balotelli during a Europa League match between Manchester City and Dynamo Kyiv in 2011, Steven Gerrard during England’s World Cup qualifier with Ukraine last September and Gary Cahill during Chelsea’s World Cup final defeat to Corinthians three months later.
It was also Cakir who dismissed John Terry in the early stages of Chelsea’s Champions League semi-final, second-leg tie with Barcelona last season.
The Turk, who is on Fifa’s long list to officiate at next year’s World Cup in Brazil, has a reputation for being card happy and prior to Tuesday he had shown another 11 red cards in the past 12 months, including three in a goalless draw between Fenerbahce and Galatasaray last May.
Petulance aside…. I can’t recall the time that a keeper has been carded for a punch out that cleared the box of a couple of players. They actually tend to do their own players as well. As long as the hands are up and it isn’t an elbow mind. So maybe one of you lot can remind me?!
Costas, Cheers mate. Been saying similar all day. We controlled the game and real only had the one shot on goal. Everyone is saying Modric changed the game. That’s pathetic, he came on with us just a man down and just happened to be lucky enough to solve the issue of the open space. Then Real had a good 15 minutes after which we dominated again.
Be very interesting what Collina and Rudolf Zavrl have to say in their reports. If they back the ref then english football is really in a heap load of trouble because, basically, we are doing it all wrong!
@ andy – “NBI Onion………………….hardly. The ball was heading for the net so rules being rules, thats preventing a goal scoring chance. Red card any day of the week.”
So red cards for all goalies then.
Actually the statements from UEFA are not a surprise.
Decoded they say nothing but a typical official line:
1. There was no evidence of gross manipulation that they picked up before the game.
2. They are awaiting the reports from the 2 observers Rudolf Zavrl and Collina. After which there will
be a review.
Interestingly, they suggest that Nani could get off at the review, even if United don’t appeal the red.
Further proof UEFA are completely out of touch with the game and how it’s currently being played –
UEFA has released a statement indicating they have no problem with the sending off.
Sadly, the rest of the world has released statements that disagree completely you senile old cronies without a clue.
Roy Keane is a bitter old cunt who disgraced himself last night and deserves the fan backlash that has inevitably came his way.
Shame the game was ruined by corrupt officiating but we’ll never die.
NBI Red Onion………………
Rafael is not a goalie so you cant say ‘red for all goalies then,’ as they (Goalkeepers) are the only ones ‘in play’ who are allowed to control the ball with their hands!
Check the rules pal.
move on mates….nothing will change..on our side, we have done brilliantly….we have a lot of chances to score…Welbeck, RvP, Vidic, & Roo all got strikes…but the ball not goes in..until the ref make it worst & destroyed the game…now, focus on PL & FA Cup…keep the red flag flying high…gud luck lads…& mates..
Why didnt nani let the ball bounce if he didnt know arbeloa was coming? Normally any player would have done that.
What is the point of this debate anymore? As SAF himself likes to say, things even themselves out – well, they actually don’t, because not to situations are exactly the same, but this is football – unfortunately, shit like this happens…football needs to evolve into the 21st century, where we have this thing called ‘technology’ you know!
I am so glad you have raise dthis point about the goalkeeper on vidic. when it happened i was saying surely thats a foul and a penalty? The ref did not even give it as a foul let alone a card. None of the pundits on tv even mentioned it! Sometimes I think i must have gone mad because I am seeing this shit, and all the so called experts are not! There was another incident in the match where Evra was fouled with a high raised boot on the thigh and although the fould was given – not even a yellow card was shown.