Speculation that Paul Pogba will leave Manchester United this summer is mounting, with top clubs in Italy keen to secure the talented youngster. It was disappointing to learn that Pogba is now represented by Mino Raiola, the same agent as Mario Balotelli and Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who doesn’t have the best reputation. He is ruthless and money-driven, meaning he is unlikely to be encouraging Pogba to sign a deal with United.
“It is a precarious situation,” Raiola told The Independent. “It is difficult at the moment. Manchester United want him. It is up to the boy to make some decisions. We know there are some clubs interested in him. We must finish first with Manchester and after that we will see other options, if they are there. The club give the indication that they want to keep him and we are talking contract terms. There is willingness from both parties at the moment.”
Rumours suggest that Pogba was given a deadline to decide by Sir Alex Ferguson, which has come and gone, explaining his absence from the Ajax squad, although some reports suggest he has until Friday to make a decision.
“It is never nice for the player not to be in the squad,” he said. “We must keep our minds cool and heads cool. Some things are good. Some things are not good [in this situation].”
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It will be disappointing to see him go if he ends up fulfilling his potential but if players at that age aren’t willing to fight for there place at this club then we move on without them.
I read about this earlier today….. Still trying to find out what ‘precarious’ means
This agent sounds like a proper scumbag.
I think it’s a game of brinkmanship on the part of Pogba’s agent who is trying to squeeze as much as he can out of Utd. It’s the oldest dog whistle in the agent’s hand book to say ‘there are some clubs interested in him’ as a threat to the host club, in this case, United. It’s also a dog whistle for other clubs to test the waters with a bid behind the scenes, just in case.
I have no doubt that Pogba’s agent would get a better deal by selling him on because that’s how he makes real money. Pogba’s agent has probably been turning his head and puffing him up as a way to soften him up for a move away and catering to a person’s basest instincts (i.e.. quick money and perhaps even instant importance as a first team player).
The question is what does Pogba really think?
Paging Rio, Giggs and Scholes…..
We’re Manchester United, if they don’t want to play for us there are plenty that do. If it’s this difficult for the poor boy to decide now what’s it going to be like if he turns out to be a superstar? more “the club lacks ambition” rubbish?
Seriously, he’s a good prospect but let him join Morrison in West Ham Reserves if he thinks it will further his career.
Fuckin agents, if pogba is stupid enuf to believe that by goin abroad he will start more and walk straight into a side like juventus then good ridance. I’d bite my owwn arm off to get half a chance at playin ten mins for a side of utd calibre. UTD
kanchelskis
They all are mate…. That is why the likes of Giggs and Scholes never had them. Cannot blame the boy, he is only 18 but this dick is obviously trying to cash in on him already….
Either way talented or not if the kid does not know how good he has it then farewell and good bye.
One thing i find really disappointing is how this is happening only with our youngsters. Look at the Barca kids,they seem so proud to represent their club and we dont ever hear about one looking to leave for stupid reasons nor their agents being assholes. Madrid have a couple of kids moving through and then even scousers have their kids there not behaving like this ( the fact they arent very good doesnt matter).
Well the exit sign at Old Trafford is pretty clear.
If anyone doubts to play for United then duly you may fuck off
No matter who you are.
United stand first – the club makes the players the players do not make the club – they only become a part of it by mutual respect and integrity.
This nonsense of putting money and egos first is a fucking disease that should be rid of.
Pogba and his agent can walk if it’s nothing less that loyalty to United
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Seem to forget Pique and Fabregas dont ya? They left, as others have from Barca….. So get your fact’s straight and don’t comment before you do.
@CedarsDevil
Of course we can’t be making exceptions and pandering to the whims of young players, especially agent-manipulated ones. I just think, club loyalties aside, it’s very sad that young, naive men all over the footballing world are talked out of wise decisions and decisions that will be best for their career, by these snakes, all so that they can line their pockets. Sickening.
kanchelskis
Well said mate. Question is where are the parents? Or are they just as greedy?
What a fucking asshole is pogba he should be sold only to clubs in championship
we can develop tunnicliffe,jesse,larnell,etc.etc
@CedarsDevil
That’s a very good point. I suppose unless their parents or other family are ‘footballing people’ (and you often find those represented by their cousin/brother/dad don’t end up in this situation), the agent’s likely to be in their ears as much as in the player’s. Also, if – as is predominantly the case – the footballer is from a poor or working class family, they’ll always be more inclined to favour the option which is more beneficial financially, which is also the one that will benefit the agent more.
Singh
Have to totally disagree with your comment…..We had issues with Morrison who is a nutter and now Pogba who’s agent is just a greedy fuck. To say our youngsters do not have loyalty is a huge label, furthermore to compare us to the likes of Liverpool on that front is even worse. Do you not believe that most of our youngsters are proud to be at the club they love? Furthermore do you not believe that they would sacrifice a left nut just to be given a chance?
Why do these players have agents ? On the other hand are we now seeing the affect the glazers debt has on the club now?if pogba goes that’s two of our youth of the future gone, what do u guys think?Are we really that broke !!
CedarsDevil
Im talking about both of these guys who were supposed to be the future of our club. Im not generalizing all our youngsters of course.IIRC even Fryers name was mentioned along the same lines a month or so ago. Pool was just a comparison. Im sure the majority of them are proud to be donning our colours,but so far,all we’ve been hearing about our youth setup is how those guys have been wanting to leave
Owen
You’ve hit the nail right on the head. We’re broke. Only managed to spend 60m on players over the past couple of seasons where it should have been half a billion…. Personally I blame Fergie, he is greedy and supports the owners for his own benefit. Something needs to happen quick otherwise we’re fucked…. Its 1974 all over again
That’s probably because currently, players feel anything below Barca is a step down. I don’t see many clamoring to leave them anytime soon, especially their youth system of mainly spanish players. As much as i don’t like saying it, Barca currently are the flavour of the footballing world, including madrid, they’re the clubs the best want to be. Barca do lose good youth players, due to the fact that they feel they have no chance of breaking in (pique, fabregas) but they eventually return anyway. Pogba was brought to the club, he has no affiliation with united, it’s an opportunity he took and now the hype is circulating him like a pack of hyenas rejoicing before slaying their prey, his agent clearly wants to cash in on that comparing the two clubs is perplexing.
Moving on, this probably is a hint that pogba may well be leaving for serie a. I don’t the manager could have done more to prove he has a chance of breaking in. He has been on the bench various times this season, Fergie giving him a taste of what could be if he makes the right choices but at the same time, the scot-man can be ruthless and i won’t be Suprised if he has given an ultimatum.
raiola is a greedy twat though. His commission is more important than the future of a player. Why pogba insist on an agent like this is beyond me. Clearly the advice of the experienced players at the club aren’t working well.
Unlike morrison, pogba has a good attitude/ personality and that gives a glimmer of hope that this may well be resolved but a likely departure seems to to be on the horizon. A shame if this were to happen, a shame indeed.
if Pogba have 10 brain cells he would realise that United is where he must stay, greedy agent or not… if Giggs and Scholes alone dont inspire him then nothing else will and then its better off leaving cause he WILL be trouble in the future. Gr8 prospect, nonetheless…
I’m not worried, we just need to maintain faith in SAF.
Fergie has a history of making special exceptions if the player is worth it (note his handling of Cantona, his handling of Rooney, Ronaldo etc…).
This boy is certainly not at their level yet of course, but if Fergie believes he is vitally important to the future, then he will ensure all the stops are pulled out to keep him, if he doesn’t then well, he will make the offer to the level as he sees fit and let Pogba make his own decision. Simple.
It is clear that Fergie wants him to stay, so I suspect this is just the usual agent games of trying to squeeze a little bit more money out of the deal for his client.
My own personal opinion is that we should pay him well to keep him, as if he turns out as he could, then he could well save us the trouble of having to buy a £20m player down the line.
Yeah, why don’t we pay every player that holds the club to ransom with a massive pay hike
We have no money.
We are broke.
Should we start begging for some from our neighbours?
Please Sir Abu Dhabi Sheikhy Baby
Can we have some money?
Can we have some more?
Sorry how rude of me
Please your Royal Highness Abu Dhabi Sheikhy Baby 4 wives and a mistress wastelands regeneration Etihad airlines Tevez loving Prince
Forgot Balotelli adoring in the above
Yawn . Well if he does want out fucking do one. Sick and tired of these over paid cunts.
MG
Do not be rude, shaky shake might save us one day……Fergie needs to go now
Twisted Fatboy – Spot on pal. Ravel wanted games at the bigoted East Laaandan club. Turned out well Ravel.
MG – Also spot on mate.
samuel – Nice one at 10.27am pal!
King Eric
Sorry mate but I have to be straight forward here……. We are a club in decline and the sooner we realize it the better. What is Fergie thinking? He’s costing us big time
Cedars
Get rid of Fergie – what the fuck does that bacon face know about football!
Fuck these managers off – get in these billionaire Arabs and Russians
Show us the money!
That fucking pensioner in charge of Manchester United – what was his trophy list again?
Thanks King Eric
With Scholes surely not going to play beyond next season and Morrison out of the picture, Carrick and Park getting older and Fleth’s future uncertain there is a real need for midfielders. Is he that impatient and short-sighted that he can’t see the opportunity?
I guess, we need someone like Gnev to guide these kids, he was the one who used to talk to the youngsters guide them and help them out with their contracts. Rio was supposed to take that role but he is not that effective..
Gnev is a great pundit but he should be brought back to the club and given some role.. maybe on the same lines of Zidane (for madrid), Viera (for city)
Whatever Pogba. If you think you are bigger than Manchester United, then you are a fool. Fact of the matter is, you are a youth team player with potential who’s just got into the first team squad this season. The key word here is potential. Nothing has been proven yet other than 20 odd mins against Stoke where you proved you weren’t out of your depth. Well done.
I seriously think these kids need a reality check. You play your cards right, you prove your worth, you get your just rewards from Fergie. I wonder if it’s agents or players really believing their own hype before they’ve done anything? Sad
All of ROM, unless we match our rivals with players like Henderson and Downing and fatty Adam, the end is in sight. Tactically inept and this could well be 1974 all over again. ”Who the Fuck are Man United”
Was 1974 like groovy baby?
there might be other reasons other than money. playing time is crucial especially at their young age. 1 year in the reserve, on the bench, might means a year or half a year delay in terms of getting sufficient experience to play at a higher level.
fans keep talking abt giggs and scholes, but fail to realise that in a way they started in the first team at a relatively young age, partly of course because they are good players, but also because there are less alternatives.
after all, from their point of view, how many player nowadays really graduate from the academy to play in the first team? actually not many, and often maybe because there is simply no space for them. takes a bit of luck too. for e.g. evans who got sufficient time to grow and mature due to injuries in the squad.
similarly, i think players will obligated to fight for themselves. they have to.
with morrison, the question is he actually happier to get more game time? we do not know. but i think it’s precisely because we do not not know, we shouldn’t jump to criticize a player’s exact motives.
after all, a player might have the gift and the techical ability. but it’s really top level games that allow them to hone their skills.
fab for e.g. might not be as good as he is now if he wasn’t thrown into the first team at a very young age.
If Pogba leaves there’s a reason why I’ll be reliefed. That guy Raiola is an utter cunt of the highest order and we should get him as far as possible away from the club.
Enough already. I’m sick to death of this Pogba crap each and every day. The kid obviously doesn’t want to stay, having had his head filled with a lot of crap by one of the seediest agents around, all of whom have only one thing in mind – how much of a cut they can get for themselves by playing the field with their clients, regardless of what may be in their best interests. As has often been said, if you play at United and are good enough the money will find you, you don’t need to go searching for it. But unfortunately Pogba has obviously had his head turned by Raiola with promises of more money and regular first team football elsewhere. Morrison’s dissent and jumping ship to West Ham probably didn’t help the cause either.
Let’s not complain too much either about how mercenary the kid is – after all, we poached him from Le Havre under dubious circumstances when they had put in all the development of the kid at junior level, and it’s not the first time we’ve taken advantage of European restrictions to snap up other kids under similar circumstances.
Some other team will certainly benefit from his time at United, but we’ve done the same to others so lets just take it on the chin and move on. If he wanted to stay at United he’d have signed by now, so as far as I’m concerned he’s gone and I’m not about to wring my hands any further over the lost cause that Pogba represents. He looks as if he has a promising career ahead of him and I’d have loved to see him live up the Viera-like hype and help give United some steel again in midfield, especially paired up to Cleverly. But it’s just not going to happen, so let’s move on.
For a relatively untested (1st team) teenager , to be trying the patience of Sir Alex, well all I can say is Pogba must have some serious sized Balls !!
Great posts all around on this topic. I hate realists who might come in and talk as if United are losing something in the deal and how we have to move on with the rest of the world. We’ve stayed ahead of the competition all these years by doing it our own way and not pandering to the whims of such agents and overpaid cunts.
Jerry Maguire got this kind of scenario spot on. There’s a scene early on in the film where Cruise is trying to do the right thing and the player and the parents go behind his back to the greedy agent who gets them a better deal. That is exactly the kind of scenario that often takes place when principled clubs like United are involved. I am not naive enough to think United are above any wrongdoing but I don’t think that is how Sir Alex would run our club. Whatever happens, the club, the player and his family come first for Sir Alex.
His agent also works with Bibotelli. Not surprisingly, a cunt.
Breaking News
Pogba may leave United.
Go on then son off you go – hope that twat from this is your city plonkerblog is reading this – throw money at his idiot agent and get it over and done with
UNITED > small club mentality and thicko fucking supporters.
Class is permanent
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I think I’ve fallen in love with ENGLAND
http://www.rfu.com/SquadsAndPlayers/WomensRugby.aspx
Cedars – Hello mate. Oh I know he is the senile old fool. Just read an article on Evans on the Mail site and that cunt Tring is at again saying even the Norwich players were laughing at him. What a fucking mug. Why does this clown pollute the Mail site and occasionaly this blog when he is clearly not a United fan? Fucking prick.
hate rentboys but isn’t this partially Utds fault for letting his contract run down,i don’t think the agent is bluffing there’s been rumors about other clubs for months.I agree if he doesn’t want to stay he can fuck off but this is the risk any club takes with free agency
Get fucking Tunni in there putting himself about and running through brick walls for United. Cleverley’s guile (when fit ) and Tunnicliffes steel. Players that won’t hesitate to sign a contract.
he is fucking 18 who can think, think and think. can take decisions on his own now, not some god-damned 5 year infant who’s being fed cerelac.
MG
Regarding 1974, for those that witnessed the events at this time it must of been gut wrenching. The Die Hard still ever present from Docs Red Army days. Fans like these are becoming more and more scarce nowadays with the fair weather fans and the turn coats always ready to abort for those that start winning or have a sudden burst of success.
One thing I can say is the noise at Old Trafford back in those times was rather tribal all over the ground, these notions backed up by my uncle Ged and older family members. How I yearn to have experienced these times. However whats meant to be is meant to be.
Back to 1974, two points noteworthy are as follows;
1) The Bitters lay claim to the fact that Denis Law had sent down United with the famous backheel. However as we are all aware it was irrelavent due to other results, United were down regardless and thus tying into number :
2) The Bitters also put Denis Law in as there best ever player. This is one thing that I agree to with no equivocation’s he was the best ever player they have ever had and are likely to ever have in the future.
Denis will always be the King of Old Trafford, in my opinion no one can match him, it was his charisma and just a down right top top fella.
The wierd thing is I never saw Denis play but for me he his the greatest in his own way. So much so I still hope to one day have a signed shirt by him. Framed in the museum. Not a signed Rooney shirt and the like but Denis.
“We drink, a drink, a drink to Denis the King, The King, The King,
He’s the leader of our football team, He’s the greatest Centre Forward,
That the world has ever seen”
Feeling emotional now, why has a 31year old got this connection, I can only assume thats its been down to me Uncle Ged, and the older generation with the romantic stories and the like.
Long Live United, Long Live The King
When I was 18, I was a total fucking bellend as far as decisions go- luckily a narrow escape and a near miss here and there gets your head screwed on eventually- how many people on here can say that but for a slightly different choices of scenario that you did or didn’t make your life would’ve been glaringly changed to the one that you have now? Whether it’s not getting in the car with your mate who is pissed, not taking that little baggy through customs in your sock or deciding not to get fucking trousered the day before your exam or similar- some did, some didn’t, the proof is who you are now and what you do (to any 18 year olds or under reading this, not meaning to be patronising but I guarantee the haircut you have now will make you shudder when you’re 30).
If some CUNT in the guise of an older brother tells you that you are the greatest thing since sliced fucking Hovis everyday and, not only that, you can get any bird in the world and pretty much do what the fuck you like and the world will adore you without this old bloke telling you what to do 24/7…
I reckon, if I had to guess, that he probably would’ve wanted to stay before this CUNT got involved. He gave interviews stating exactly that not a year ago.
I agree though, it’s getting fucking boring now. Never has a player been so good before he’s even played a proper game, it’s a fucking farce.
I still hope he stays because he’s got potential- then again, he could break his leg next week and never play again.
Can’t believe it’s got this much airtime and I am genuinely agonising over it. Fucking joke.
Lets hope he stays, but more importantly; changes his hairstyle.
CBT o&o.
KE hi mate that’s exactly what Utd need,Jones and Smalling seem similar lads not money motivated and want to play for Utd.Seems to me alot of times it’s the foriegn players that don’t settle or are most driven by money,that’s the reason i’m not a fan of bringing in foriegn rentboys more trouble than their worth and in alot of cases don’t live up to the price tag.
Haven’t seen much of Pogba but as Ajunited pointed out he’s not a kid and made the decision to hire this particular agent,hope it gets sorted but if it’s already about money over club and ambition it’s a shitty attitude
Great post by Bobby Charlton’s Combover at 11.28
BRIGADIER19
Good post re ’74!
I was an ever present in those days at OT, great times and expectations, although never quite fulfilled due to Doc’s Dick!
” Scoreboard scoreboard give us a song” cried the Stretford End!
Saw The King score a hat trick in my first ever match along with Bestie who also scored>
ClaytonBlackmoresTan
Haha, wise words indeed!
BRIGADIER19
Wonderful wonderful insight
Of course my stories differ with United – as I have mentioned before the first name that cropped up was Duncan Edwards in Junior School – and that was because of my head teacher Mr. Oliver – I have never looked back but when I do it is with great fondness how I came to be with United. Of course when the love began then as Cedars says there was a certain Robson in the team that reinforced it – incredible player…
I guess we all feel emotional with our own personal connections, these ties to United are unique – in my time I only ever knew that Duncan Edwards had died, now as a grown up man of 36 and with a son myself, there is a truly remarkable story of The Busby Babes and the tragedy and within it the triumph of Munich
We may have lost a team but we gained a life time full of belief and defiance from it.
My story is a simple one – United kid growing up in a Liverpool supporting family, and it never gets better now.
No one ever told me a United story, I now can.
Much better I can pass them all on. Even more better I get to do something no one did with me as a child – I get to take my son to Old Trafford, home.
Someday that will just carry on and on…
If people believe in fate and destiny and the greater good, then I believe that it happened to us.
We are who we are because we fell in love with something quite relentless.
At that time as a kid it was just something that happened but probably the one thing I did that has made me who I am today.
I gladly write this and sign it off with great pleasure:
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To get here after everything has been quite a ride. There is so much more to come…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuuiDS4sc_w
we’ll be fine.
@ Its in my blood
Fond memories that will always remind you of how great this club is and how it is a big part of yours and others lives. Some people just don’t understand. Thats some debut game to have witnessed I bet. First for me was against QPR 1990, A brace by Robins and one from Choccy, how things have changed eh
@MG
Kind Regards for a well written response, muchly appreciated.
Its the Unique ties as you mention that people have and how they end up in the same place its a wonderful privilege to have come on this journey.
Captain Marvel was a War Horse of the highest order, he literally would have died for United with Blood Sweat and Tears. Hards as Nails and so glad personally that he came out of his health issues in the manner he has done.
Theres a similar connection with regards to United lad in a Liverpool supporting family, although my side was a little more disconnected than I assume yours was. Nothing could be sweeter now.
Great things on having a son as well who no doubt will become ingrained in the United way. I have 2 girls myself and there was a real worry for me as on the mothers side they are too all Liverpool. Not with now thankfully. Worries about them trying to pull a fast one by getting them a Liverpool Kit or even a City Kit however this action was never allowed to happen, as really really young ones they don’t know the difference . I always knew that they would follow my lead without much persuasion.
Its great hearing the youngest recite – “We are the Stretford Enders” as shes walking down the stairs and the older ones many Variants of the Park Songs. Proud times buddy proud times.
Its also knowing that there is more to come much more….
We develop kids, it’s what we do. We have developed loads of players with great attitudes and a few who have a their own heads. Manchester lads tend to be more centered with place, but that don’t mean we don’t give a go with foreign players from time to time. We snatched most of our youngsters from someone, that’s just the facts of the matter. Rooney has a big head but managed to keep him, Becks and ronaldo stayed long enough to win a few medals. Players come and go. We aren’t London or Milan or Madrid. Frankly we do better with the tough minded souls of this world. But even the Vidics have their families to contend with. Its a complicated game and a club as grounded as ours, has to be patient. Look at Ajax and where they were. We have done well and one can only have the confidence that this will continue. Does hurt the pride when a youngster toddles off before their time. But looking back, think we missed a chance on very very very few. Think I’ll put my trust in Fergie on this one.
We will see.
Flights to England are cancelled again due to the dust cloud caused by the opening of the Liverpool trophy cabinet.
But his agent has one thing right said, that he is not playing. Pogba is young and he wants to play, for me that is normal and should get chance, becuase SAF also said that he is good. Why he is not playing…i do no
I agree if he isn’t gonna fight for his place then let him move on. If he was that good SAFwoulnt let him go. His agent is just playimg games by saying others teams are interested/making offers, other teams and managers will know united wouldn’t let a talent walk out the door for peanuts. Pogba should look at ravel thought he was bigger then the club, now he is sitting on the bench at a chamionshsip team. He doesn’t know how good he has it.
Sorry for spelling,I’m on my phone and the keyboard froze up
I agree if he isn’t gonna fight for his place then let him move on. If he was that good SAFwoulnt let him go. His agent is just playimg games by saying others teams are interested/making offers, other teams and managers will know united wouldn’t let a talent walk out the door for peanuts. Pogba should look at ravel thought he was bigger then the club, now he is sitting on the bench at a chamionshsip team. He doesn’t know how good he has it.
Wayne – Exactly mate. Tunnicliffe is always tweeting about United and would run through walls for this club. He is as hard as nails too. Fuck these rentboys .
ClaytonBlackmoresTan – Ha. quality as ever. Ever taken illegal things through Customs ? No never!!! Ha.
Brigadier – Top posts mate.
mara – Hello pal. Its not just about talent its about ATTITUDE. Pogba was a hairs breath from the first team now it seems that unless he makes his mind up Fergie aint putting him anywhere near it and rightly so. It seems to me for some its just about talent at United. It isnt. Its about attitude and mentality. Its up to Fergie when he bloods him not some fucking dodgy greedy agent.
Cedars devil , why do you have to be so sarcastic, I was only asking what do you guys think.Don’t bother responding to my posts any more if your going to react like that .
ClaytonBlackmoresTan – Great clips of Tunnicliffe mate. A fucking beast of a player in the Keano mould. That day at Anfield he ran the show single handedly whe Pogba got sent off. Likewise he did against the Rentboys in the semi when he nearly put McEachran in Row Z. This kid WILL make it.
Owen – Err probably because over the last few days you have said Carrick is a joke despite being our best player this season and cheering City on as you had a few quid on them!
I’ve been teaching high school for well over ten years now and I can tell you that the maturity level of young people is getting worse and worse each year. At 18 young Adults like Pogba and Morrison are still children. Most veteran educators will tell you that it gets worse every 10 years or so. I don’t blame Rio, nor do I think that he has failed in his attempts to guide Pogba. Trust me, trying to talk sense to some young people is nearly impossible.
FletchTheMan @ 15:12: “We develop kids, it’s what we do.”
Really ?
Like CR 7 ?
Like TheWayneBoy ?
Like Rafael and Fabio ?
Like Chicharito ?
Like BIgManSmalling ?
Like MrJones ?
Like Nani/Anderson ?
Like David De Gea ?
Like KikoTheKid ?
Like Paul Pogba ?
Like Gerrard Pique ?
Like Giussepe Rossi ?
All of these guys were “poached” from other clubs before their 20th birthday, except for Chicharito who was 21 when UTD signed him from Chivas Guadalajara.
It’s a matter-of-record that DannyTheLad is just about the FIRST significant player for UTD to come through the ranks since DarrenFletcherinho, John O’Shea, and Wesley Brown. (YoungTom might also qualify for that distinction IF he can stay fit and actually play the game.)
Tbh, this news is getting on my nerves. Kids these days don’t think properly. Fight for your place. Don’t force it. Once you push harder and harder on the button, it’ll blow up. If he doesn’t sign, then I won’t relli feel anything, cus he doesn’t have the spirit of “keep fighting” dna in him. Even lil pea is on the bench most of his time this season with welbeck being first team. Does he quit? No. He’s tryng to earn it. This never say die mentality is what attracts us fans the most. And if he’s’ willing to give up to step up, then he might as well be out. He doesn’t have the heart that manchester united has. I hope he does step up tho. Promising lad. But won’t be too upset if he jus leaves because of nt getting enough first team chances.
BRIGADIER19
One big toast to the future then mate
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I have never understood why players need agents
Davey,
Fair playm but my point is still valid. We develop players. Only time will tell if they are “significant”
I would say that Brown, Fletcher, Evans, The Twins are all significant players developed by us. If you want to talk about significant english players you can go further, about half the cardiff team we played this weekend had a connection to United and that goes around the league. What makes us successfull is that we mix development with buying. THe lads you bring up being a case in point that all those lads knew they could get a chance at reserves and a crack into the senior team. We develop players, some make it, some don’t. All teams go in cycles, we are still enjoying the boon of the fergies fledglings. Barcellona is living off a particularly good class at the moment. My point, we have a good policy and should have confidence that it will continue to provide lads coming through the reserves and into the full squad. We still have one of the best percentage of reserves or more junior players in our senior team of the top 5 sides. Cheers
Fletch is spot on. We do DEVELOP kids. Are you telling me that Ronnie would be the player he is today if he had stayed in Portugal? Or Rossi. Even Pique has praised the system at United. We may not bring them up from young ages but we still develop them. Smalling at Fulham was unheard of. Look at him now. Hernandez was gonna pack the game in full stop and go to Uni. Fletch’s point is valid imo.
Just about every team in the football league has a player brought through United’s academy!!
KingEric/FletchTheMan – I grant your point about “developing players” but most of them play for Sunderland or other lower-level clubs. Very few have graduated to UTD’s first team. That’s just depressing considering how valuable Fergy’sFledglings were to the club’s success after the mid-nineties.
I’d love to see Will Keane and Ryan Tunnicliffe and Davide Petrucci (and some others) develop into first-team regulars. In reality, the odds are stacked against them – just like they were stacked against Frazier Campbell, Ryan Shawcross, Danny Simpson, and so many others. The step up from UTD’s reserves to the first team is HUGE. So many temptations and “alternatives” stand between being a prospect and being the real-deal. Many are called, but few are chosen.
I don’t know what to make of the Pogba stories – we’re always fed lots of rumours but the substance (and provenance) is unclear. One thing is certain, if Paul Pogba thinks he can win a pissing contest with SAF then he’s badly advised and sorely deluded.
The reality is that the time when Celtic European Cup winners ALL came from a 25-mile radius of Glasgow are over. That’s why the Ravel Morrison saga is so very depressing – a local kid with worlds of talent but, unfortunately, no common sense whatsoever.
The only European club that has been able to be remotely comparable to Jock Stein’s teams in developing local talent is Barcelona – and Lionel Messi, Carlos Puyol and some others are not actually Catalans !
I think Denton makes a pretty valid point, and saying that we develop “kids’ might be exaggerated, at least on this era. Truth be told we haven’t develop a proper star in some time. Welbeck and Cleverly both have the potential, but both still have to go through much more to be considered stars or world class players. That’s why I believe the fairest argument here is that we develop “young players”. Players that have already shown that potential and we have taken it to a higher level.
As a Manchester United fan it saddens me to see this happening. Specially because it encourages other young players to do the same, it can become a pattern.
Another thing that saddens me is fellow Manchester United fans deluding themselves that a move to an Italian giant like Juventus or Milan is a step down. It’s not, truth be told Pogba has been touted as one of Europe’s most promising talents for a few years and he hasn’t been getting enough chances to show what he can do, I mean, I understand young players need to be eased into the first team but when you bring a player out of retirement and make him a starter over a rising talent you can’t expect that to go down well with the prospects…I’m disappointed with Pogba’s demeanor but I can understand why a move abroad seems like a tempting option for him..
Yeah, go to Italy and get monkey chants ans racial abuse at games – enjoy..! Check the abuse Balotelli got there and he’s Italian. Idiot, grow some and sign with united.
NBI….. Hmmm doubt either Balotelli or Pogba would figure that out on their own. I am thinking of stealing your little analysis and tweeting it to Paul… Might make him wake up!
@ Fletch – go for it man, am not on twitter, if you can get that kid’s brain working great – the crowd abuse black players still get in Spain and Italy is way way worse than UK where it is practically wiped out.
A simple solution is to bar players by agent. As in, if you’re represented by agent x, then you have zero chance of joining this club.
The moment clubs start taking a more steadfast stance against the seedier elements in the sporting agent game, the better.
I think we should just embargo anybody this Mino fuckhead represents altogether..
Once he starts getting bans against his clients the sooner he’ll be less inclined to hold clubs to ransom.
Who the fuck is Pogba!!!! If he does not appreciate the fact that he is a United player (millions of youngsters dream about it), he should simply fuck off!
United is bigger than any player!!!!
@denton davey
Good points. I would bring the old rule back, no more than 3 foreigners in a team, regardless where they came from. (EU or not).
Carlos Puyol is a Catalan! He was born in La Pobla de Segur, Lleida, Catalonia.
Firstly, anyone on here that is saying Fergie needs to go, needs to go themselves. No one can question this man. The vast vast amount of trophies he has won us, to looking at one slightly derailed season, in which we are still within touching distance of the title is beyond me.
Would love Pogba to stay no doubt, but only if he does the right thing, and for the right reasons. Gotta want to play for United, not play for the money. So, sadly, if its the 2nd reason, id be glad to see the back of him really. Fingers crossed its the first though!
I don’t think this shows United as being broke though. If we were, we would be relying on keeping the youth, as there would be no way to afford the top class players. Hopefully in summer we will see the cheque book opened and a quality couple of players coming in.
Hans @ 8:09
I was wrong BUT, correct me if i’m wrong, didn’t payola begin his professional career somewhere else and the get transferred to Barcelona ? Or is that one of their other core players ?
Charlamagne – Here mate. Even at 37 Pogba is not fot to lace Paul’s boots. His coming out of retirement has been a god send. We are controlling games again in the main and he has chipped in with two important goals.
Elliot – Alright pal. I don’t think anyone IS saying Fergie needs to go. At least not on this thread although I have seen it before if we lose and glory hunting cunts throw their dummies out the pram. People say he isnt sharp anymore. Bullshit. Not only does he remember line ups and scores from years and years ago he remembers the fucking refs and linesmen!!!
Sign up or fuck off
King Eric – Yeah may have jumped the gun a bit there, there was one floating about on this thread, just really gets to me when people say it haha. Your exactly right, he knows all!