The National is reporting that Paul Pogba has agreed to move Juventus on a deal worth around £20k a week. Pogba’s agent, Mino Raiola, who is famous for orchestrated big money moves for his clients like Mario Balotelli and Zlatan Ibrahimovic, has reportedly earned £2m for himself in commission in organising the deal.
Raiola became Pogba’s agent last year and spoke to some of Europe’s richest clubs, including Manchester City and AC Milan, to get his player a top deal. Sir Alex Ferguson clearly doesn’t have any time for the agent and spoke out about this last December.
“He’s got an agent who’s obviously become a bit difficult but we’re negotiating with this agent and we want the boy to stay,” he said. “Matt Busby summed it up perfectly, that you don’t need to chase money at a club like Manchester United, it will eventually find you. If you’re good enough, you will earn money and become rich playing for us.”
Ferguson had apparently given Pogba a deadline to sign a new contract and that date has come on gone.
United will receive Fifa-mandated “training compensation” worth a few hundred grand.
Pogba was missing from the Reserves squad tonight, sparking rumours that he was either in the squad for Thursday night’s Europa League game… or he was off.
Could United afford the £20k a week and the ridiculous agent fee? Yes. Whilst the purse strings are certainly tighter under Glazer ownership, the wage bill has soured over the past few seasons. This is more likely an issue of principle and structure, with United not wanting to break the bank for a player who has only played two hours of football for the first team. Players and their agents take the piss these days but a club like Manchester United can’t be given the run around by teenagers who rarely even make the bench for the first team.
There are things that happen at our club that don’t happen everywhere else and that may be frustrating. Losing to Blackburn with our best player out of the squad because he’d come to training hungover was annoying. Selling our top goalscorer because he had a strop about being benched and was acting up behind the scenes pissed some people off. But you have to trust that the manager knows what he’s doing and it is for the benefit for the club. If players are going to piss about, the manager knows better than anyone how to deal with them. If the manager doesn’t think it’s wise to pay 18-year-old Pogba £20k a week, then I’ll trust that he knows better than us. Although that won’t make it any less frustrating if Pogba is sold to Real Madrid for £40m in a few years time…
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These ungrateful youth of today
am wishing him torres and chevchenko style in chelsea and end up as Kleverson style with us…money monger…
hope ezikiel f.will not follow him…
go enjoy italian racist monkey chants
If this story is true then I weep for the future of football. There are good agents and there are bad ones. The bad ones are leeches just engineering moves for their not so bright player-clients to get that fat commission.
Well, in a few years time, I am sure we’ll hear Pogba speak of how happy he really was at United and that he never should have left.
Thanks for the memories kid.
Oh wait there were none
Panic stations to ensue! Seriously, I’ll wait for the boss to tell us why we couldn’t work out a deal with the lad. My senses tell me, devious agent at work!
Gooners have 2!
Cedars we are on!!!
Come on RVP!!! Finiah the bloody Italians off –
For Cedars my lad
My Professor X thoughts are in line with Willies Spider sense
If your away ta ta you done nothing to miss.
Man utd loosing young talented player due to inability 2 pay considerable wages,wat hpnd to plyrs lyk bebe who were paid mo wages yet tey dnt justify.
Pogba
Please please PLEASE just piss off already… I am honestly sick and tired of reading about you already…Like MG said, thanks for the memories! Ha?
Chelsea fans are screaming they don’t want Benitez.
It’s a facht no?
Finiah?
Riolla is really the one to be despised here. Kid with potential gets greedy agent, we’ve heard it before and will again. Interesting how there are no confirmations on any of their twitters. Might be afraid of implications for penalties but if Scott is right, then there won’t be much.
Juve should definitely be on our list of despicable clubs. But then, we are on Le Harve’s. Still, none of this would have been if not for the player and his agent. Can’t wait till we get the whole story from United.
Maybe SAF can finally get some midfielders in
Another future great slips the net.greedy, ungrateful little cunt. He could grow up to be a great in Italy, but we like to nurture legends at united. To be forced by his agent to move, like that crispy necked cunt Tevez,shows me that the kids just a thick goon !!!. Laters knobhead, enjoy the shit negative football and the racism .
If anyone needs the link to the reserves game I posted in the last thread…
www. firstrowsports .eu/watch/111701/1/watch-west-bromwich-albion-res-vs-manchester-united-res.html
Remove the 2 spaces around firstrowsports…
Re: Pogba – I still don’t understand how this information can mesh with what Sir Alex said about us having an option for the 2012/13 season on him, did we decide not to exercise it or are we getting additional compensation for not exercising it?
Was this about Pogba getting the best deal or his agent getting the best commission ? Was this about fully realizing his prodigious talent or about “playing time”? If this report is true, methinks it was the latter in both cases. SAF truly wants what’s best for the lads. We have heard that time and time again from so many. I truly believe that. Unfortunately too many at Pogba’s age are young , dumb and full of cum as they say. These young bulls act first and think later. In other words, perfect picking for these big money agents who promise the moon or whatever they have to so that they get the large commissions.
In having to choose which of the two has Pogba’s best long term interest as a primary motivation it is no contest. SAFover Mino Riaola EVERY TIME. If the report is true then unfortunately Pogba has no idea who cares the most and will be subject to many hard lessons in learning that truth.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…….. Bored.
Shame to lose out on a talent, but fuck him, his loss. Bigger and better players have been and gone from Utd and we always carry on.
He cant be THAT good if he isn’t playing at all, in what is a relatively shit midfield by Man Utd’s standards.
Sometimes you just have to cut your losses on players who are going to rock the boat when they aren’t playing every week. Pogba, whether of his own accord, or through pressure from his agent, clearly falls into that category.
WOW Arse Pen coming up…
3-0… lol RVP here it comes…
AAAAAAAAAAAAAARSENAL!
3
Sorry
Rephrase
RVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get in son of Cedars the chosen one
3-0
Don’t the fucking Gooners ever say we ain’t partial to a little bit of Gooner love in especially since RVP is there!
One word for you fellas…… RvP
“Selling our top goalscorer because he had a strop about being benched and was acting up behind the scenes pissed some people off.”
Is This Ruud Van Nostrilbooy? or someone during the 90′s.
we have let so many go, how many made it? not many…..
PP might just piss away a great set up? I think he knows MF is where Jones will settle, and he can’t compete with him?
Roooooooooney so true Man Utd only keeps the best with the right head as well. As SAF always says about the transfer market, can that player make Man Utd better? So many players can make 95% of all other teams but not Man Utd!?!
So much for wanting 40k per week…
In 5 year’s time will we see a world class Pogba and think “Why didn’t we just pay the f***ing 20k a week”, i think so!
why cant we keep hold of our best young players?… crazy stuff
Costas, amen to that. Heard we offered 20K and he wanted 40. Now he is off for 16K. Still insane money really for an 19year old. But makes you wonder that anyone has it right. Hope Juve go bankrupt, but still put this whole mess at Riolla’s door. Juve just looking at good business. Didn’t we do them a similar turn a few years back?
Arrghh, Reserves have pretty much dominated this match but with WBA parking the bus (in a reserve match??) and their goaltender playing pretty well (though most of our shots have been right at him) we’ve yet to score. Tough match for the young lads, hoping for a late breakthrough.
if pogba want to go, just let him go. there are other youth that will replace him. SAF won’t let any player feels that they are bigger that the club.. There are other youth that will replace pogba. Tunniclife (Jimmy Murphy player of the year) and Matt Daehli in the midfield. i rather have level headed player than money oriented one.
Furthermore, maybe it is better to take Ole as assistant manager in two years time. He is intelegent player and manager and more importantly he is a winner. Under SAF guidance, i believe he will be top class manager.
@ North Stand Pier 2
EXACTLY !!! If he was sooooo , awesome why was/is he not dominating reserve games ???
Don’t we have a clause to keep him for
Another year in his contract??
@Fletch
Yeah, basically Pogba is Le Havring us now.
If these numbers are correct, then I think it’s obvious that United wouldn’t pay his agent’s commision. A noble approach and one I could live with if this was a one off. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that we will come up against this again in the future. Possibly with Fryers. I’ve said it before. This isn’t 92 anymore.
Why the fuck he would want to go to Juve is absolutely beyond me? They haven’t had a top player since the Zidane era. And lets be honest, a young black player, who’s French, has absolutely no hope of displacing Italian players like Pepe, Marchisio or Pirlo. No chance. He’ll spend next season bench warming once again.
FUCK ME! Tunni just missed a sitter at the death to tie it and Michael Keane skimmed the upright with a glancing header 2 minutes before that. Well played game just no luck in the box.
Enough with the Arsenal cheers. Dammit I am actually pulling for those clowns and I am not sure that’s a good thing. Well it actually is if they lose in the next round . Who would have thunk that they had some steel in them? What a world we live in.
LoneStarRed
No Arsenal cheers whatsoever, just a love affair between me and RvP that we have a laugh about. Fuck em
OH MY cedars, RVP CHOKED!
Fuck Paul Pogba, he can go and destroy his career in Italy but why are we losing too many youngsters
When Beckham left it was over
When Ruud boy left it was over
When Ronaldo left it was over
If we’ve learnt anything is that in whatever time this team breathes in:
Manchester United will never die.
If Pogba thinks he can do better good luck.
We will still carry on lighting the way
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Tyapa how are we losing too many youngsters? Just Pogba which hasn’t been confirmed, Morrison lost himself.
JC
What did my son do now? Missed a sitter?
Son of Cedars
Believe
Missed a sitter from 2 yards, deflected save dropped right to him and as G Nev said he could have side footed it into either open corner but instead he tried to chip it over and knocked it right into Abbiati’s arms.
This new found Arsenal Form will put them well up for it against the Bitters to Take 3 points. I’m tired of teams surrendering to them until they play us then its like the Word Cup Final for them.
As for Pogba. Au revoir tete le Merde.
I don’t get it …become a world beater with sponsorship deals coming out the arse at United & eventually earn a phenomenal wage after he’s proven himself or…..go to a wank football league in Italy & get jeered & harassed every game for being black….plus he’ll definitely be bench warming again next season…..his agent needs to get snuffed out by a Gommorah Hitman ……Good luck fella coz you just made the biggest fuckin mistake of your life……..Riolla is a fuckin’ slag ..I suppose uv gotta be if your other client is Balotelli….
JC , I mean letting our players go into final year of their contract before we start negotiating extensions? and we’re in the same situation with Ezekiel Fryers. Hope Tunni, Cole, Lingard, Petrucci can be used in Europa Cup, on bench or something. @TyapaDescartes
Fucks sake Hull, score one already
Can someone post the Reserve line-up
C’mon Gunners. Get stuck in! Channel the spirit of 2004! RVP…channel the strength of The Cedars!
Haven’t seen him play that much so I don’t know how good he really is, but I am going to trust In SAF. If he thinks that he is not worth it then so be it.
Arse game must be interesting, can’t believe they haven’t scored the 4th yet.
@Tyapa it is all over the last thread, but here if is.
We lost 1-0, to a WBA side with 2 senior players one of which scored their goal. We could have won but squandered many good efforts. Tunni should have tied it at the death. Anyway it was a good outing and saw debuts for Veseli, Daehli (17) & Wilson(16).
Starting 11 was
Amos DeLaet Keane Fornasier Fryers, Vermijl Tunnicliffe Veseli Petrucci Lingard Keane
RESERVES: SUBS Massacci Johnstone Giverin Daehli Wilson.
Evening twat knackers
Anyone who doesn’t want to be at United, fuck em, however, news I have is that the lad wants to stay. Problem is his agent is mixed up with unsavoury fuckers and he hasn’t got a choice in the matter. Lad was in tears a while ago when all this shit was going on! Same when he moved to us from Le Havre!
@Mikekelly12
I have a passive aggressive ex wife who does the same crap. I love you but……..Bottom line is this : When will he take responsibility for his own actions and be a damn adult instead of hiding behind proxies. Hopefully before it’s too late. He can well speak up and/ or fire his agent as some have done.
RVPFC go out of CL albeit with a fight.
Fuck off Hull, you bottled it…… Tigers my arse, more like pussies
And yes, I am an ungratefull cunt
Congrats Arsenal. You were fantastic in failing.
Bye bye Arsenal, bye bye goons! Bye bye Arsenal, Chelsea will be joining you soon!
@tyapa
probably youth player’s contract is left to last season because the club wants to know if those youth players can show that they deserve it. i think we wont give any long term contract with high salary to anyone that doesn’t deserve it. I also believe that SAF know what he’s doing.
Thanks Fletch, Can’t wait to see Petrucci in the 1st team
Chelsea are back!
wenger bottled it. after chamakh in i believe that they won’t score another goals. he couldn’t do anything.
Chelsea are whack !
tough Arsenal no cigar.
Can’t wait to read about this game in Walcott’s new biography.
Should be out this summer.
He was immense again today from what I hear.
Dick fuck Monk
Did you get my text round lunch time fuck face?
i hope chelsea can continue the good form and take points from the bitter..
Costas
Yeh and all the Trophys and Medals he’s won since his move to Arsenal. Theo ,Theo ,Theo.
Oxo Chamberlain’s is out soon after too.
Eh up Marro – No mate, just checked and last txt I had from you was 4th March??
Cedars
No he didn’t. He was on Detention.
Just resent it…. Bloody British telecom years behind us! ha ha
@James
Yeah mate. I hear he will devote half of the book on Justin Bieber and the impact he’s had on his life.
Jimmy James
Is he allowed to be up so late posting?
Cedars
Its OK Fanboy is babysitting him.
Wasn’t it me that Scouted Alex – Oxlade Chamberlain for United long before the Carling Cup tie last season?
Looks like SAF needs a new scout + negotiator, tough prospect to reject. The kids dad said he joined Arsenal for the style of football. Looks like we dropped the ball kinda.
In 10 years time I assure you SAF will voice his regret like he recently has with Joe Hart, Cech,Stam etc.
Oh well We got Welbeck + Clevs – Reds for life surely.
Didn’t united do exactly the same to l’harve when they took pogba away from them without paying any money for him as he hadn’t signed a pro contract which you can’t do in france. what goes around comes around
We losing our best young talent.Surely the club should take some responsibility for it.We can’t just come out and blame Pogba because this is the second prodigious talent wanting a move.Surely we should start questioning United
Cedars
Telecom is as fast as snail mail! Still fucked off that the Sir Alex programme never got to you!! James, funnily enough I was in detention! My mum doesn’t know I’m up, posting under my robbo duvet !
World Exclusive:
Theo Walcott autobiography extract from Edition 2 coming soon to a reputable book seller near you
“Milan were there for the taking and we took them but Wenger and RVP just could not finish them off. I gave it my all, I ran like anything, in straight lines in circles, I nearly ran out of the stadium! I did it all and I can hold my head high”
Mr. Capello sent me a text in the middle of the night after we had lost to Milan – it shook the very heart out of me when I woke up in sweat not knowing what had happened – I had feared for the worst that RVP had had a falling out with Wenger and had decided to leave Arsenal, but it was Mr. Capello. His sheer presence on the text had led me to break a sweat and as I left my naked girlfriend in bed it shook me further that Mr. Capello could see right into me even though he was so far away. I took the sheet and covered her knowing that Mr. Capello would also be looking at her through the phone and again I trembled knowing the unknown.
Further revelations to come on the ROM – exclusively by Theo Walcotts guest shadow writer MG
Are Ox tubes similar to Maggie tubes?
M19ke
No worries mate I have a spare SAF programme. Was going to pass it on when he came over. Yours was put on e-bay by Marro’s postman.
swiller
Yeah – we don’t care – jog on.
Paul Pogba – thanks for the memories.
Er their were none
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Mike
The Lebanese are ‘extremely’ honest people.. I am sure whoever picked up the program has it in safe keeping till he finds me! ha ha
@MG
Awesome.
Don’t forget the part where Walcott the experienced campaigner was encouraging his young teammates.
Costas
Wait my good man all revelations shall be slowly revealed in good time MG style
MG
Cedars
Maybe he’s still reading it!
M19ke
I’m still reading Giles Oakley’s Article. Like Cedars Syrian postman, I’m a slow reader.
@dillan
why we have to question the club? What pogba have done for the club that we have to give him high salary? if SAF think he deserve the salary, i think he will give him one. it’s not blind faith but SAF has managed the club for 25 years and he will do the best for the club.
Mike
Doubt it mate, these Lebanese fuckers only speak French… Arrogant pricks….
I can make fun of my own right?
Why do the press cover P.P. so much, its not like he ever proved that much.
rasheem
The media will cover anything negative about Utd. Utd owe Pogba and Morrison Nothing. We don’t know what SAF has in mind regarding summer targets. He more than likely couldn’t promise game time. Trust in SAF.
“The losses to United were the hardest ones to take. They ripped us they shred us at OT and that was hard to live with and then when they came to the Emirates we nearly nearly had them. I got the boys and I did a huddle. I prayed to Jesus, I asked for divine intervention, I so badly wanted to be the team leader for Arsenal, I wanted to be like Jesus himself feeding the Arsenal fans with my speed and tenacity. my miracles and then it was like if Jesus had betrayed me. It was as if Mr. Capello had put the fear into Jesus and he had betrayed me, us, Arsenal. I picked my boys up, my men. I remembered John Terry’s war cry, dad of the year and I wished I was that too, it sparked me, it gave me something, a new found belief to fight , to beat United to win. And then just like that, United scored and it was over.”
Cedars
Haha, you can indeed!!
@ MG
Hilarious !
@MG
hahaha…..
everyones blaming the agent but look at it from pogba’s point of view, he could get 20 grand a week to sit on the bench at juve and get a few games for one of europes top clubs, or do the same at united for considerably less money. if hes as good as everyone says he is he’s going to be a great player at any top european club, he’s never claimed to be a united fan. so why shouldnt he try get as much money as he can? the way his agent has gone about it shows no sign of class but then why should he wants whats best for him? he gets more money if pogba goes else where
MG
Pure genius
Wow this Walcott can sure write. Maybe he should pack in football and become a full time writer, he’ll win more medals and prizes.
Pissing off to bed….. Remember, keep it OFF topic, fun and most importantly RED
Sweet dreams
If pogba has went for money let him be rocky big bollocks but anyway thats football these days its all about the money. Off topic but found out that sideshow bob has more goals for the rentboys than the ladyboy
What a writer is that Walcott
Night Cedars
Night United got to go myself
Night Theo Walcott
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Night cedars… Night RoM. Mum says I have to turn the light off now.
Whats a pogba?
Never heard of it.
Ravel – see ya !
KikoTheKid – peaked @ 17. Thanks for the memory. See ya !
Paul Pogba – the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. See ya ?
It’s ALWAYS better to support the shirt tha the guy inside it.
Good riddance. Now watch him flop in Italy! I am absolutely sure he will come to regret this decision.
How I wish I could train against him tomorrow at Carrington, and show him some home truths, as Haaland learned them from Keano!!!!
I’d imagine if we agreed to pogba then it would mess up the whole salary structure.. it would have a domino effect to other players too.
I m sue you.all wantto.hear my opinion
ok people, i must admitt that it is hard for me to believe that this is a good move from SAF. I know that time will tell.
2 things buggering me
1. if we wouldnt have debts, and have a lot of money in the club, not in
Glazers pocket,would we really do the same?
Maybe I should be gutted about Pogba leaving, but I ain’t. With Ravel gone and Poggers soon to join him out the door, the old master will have something lined up.
2. What is bothering me is SAF s ego. He said that he made mistake leaving Staam. And we all know why he did that, because guy criticise him.
3. Isn t the point in that that you makeing the risk with young players? you never know what will gonna happend with them. when they are complete players, then you have to pay 30,40 mils…wich we dont have. it is cheaper to mistake with youngs, those mistakes cost less.
maybe is something more behind all that, we dont know…but those the questions i ask myself.
Who cares about Pogba, theres a skinny left footed brazilian with a mohawk waiting for some action. Hes scored more than Torres this season and might be unleashed for his Europa debut against Bilbao.
Plus hes an attacking midfielder!!!
Dillan. Are you serious? Every time you come on you have a pop at the club. Why the fuck should we line the greasy agent with two million. It must be certain fans who don’t mind rent boys being at the club. I can’t fucking stand the cunts. Fucking do one you greedy bastard and make way for those that want to wear the shirt. Why should we question Fergie. Don’t you think he knows what he is doing? I like Pogba but fuck him. Bowing down to cunts like that. Do Tom and Danny and Jonny and Fletch piss and fucking moan? No they don’t. As for Fryers he played tonight for the reserves.
Why on earth were some wanting Arsenal. I in know way ,shape or form wanted them to win tonight. Can you imagine the arrogance and media hype. They gave it a good go and done better than United in Europe but I want ANY top four side to fall at every hurdle personally. Do you think Arsenal would have wanted United. Would they fuck. Wenger gets his arse licked from all sides of the media so I love seeing him fail. Cunts like Keown , Pires the arrogant Henry. Disrespectful cunts lobbing food at Fergie. Fuck off Arsenal. The damage was done in Milan.
I see that fat greedy golfer scored for the elite development squad tonight and it makes sky headline news. Why is this fucking waster being given so much airtime? I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire. City fans being interviewed and forgiving him as “he is a young man and passionate and which players don’t fall out with their managers“? Err plenty but how many saunter about on golf courses for six months refusing to play? Just highlights how small time the bitters are. As for Mancini what a weak cunt allowing him back. I am sure this will go down a treat with the other strikers and players.
On that note off to bed. Goodnight lads.
@ Dillan
I guess you’re right. The United blokes have no idea how to grow, garner, train or evaluate talent. At this rate they will never amount to anything.
FUCKING AGENTS ARE THE PARASITE AND CANCER IN FOOTBALL. BAstard!!!!!!
Seriously, fuck it. He hasn’t done anything for us, so I don’t care. The kid had potential for sure, but then again, so do lots of youngsters. If he’s too blind to see the opportunity in front of him then GTFO.
Read it from the boss himself.
Uniteds Elite Performance Plan:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/15/alex-ferguson-elite-player-performance-plan
Pogba, who ???
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Thanks Fletch
mara
Go find another team.Who is SAF? and who is Pogba? Think Man!!!!
Yeah yeah yeah if he wants to leave then fuck him. I get all that. But It’s extremely disappointing. Pogba was a huge talent. AB immense talent. I’m gutted. Here’s hoping he does a U-turn a la Rooney 18 months ago and signs up.
well done,
I m glad Tunni is the future, he is a red..
and fuck pogba and his agent..
this was coming..
we lost 2 of our many best youth players..
so what? this is UNITED…club will continue to produce great talents..
Pogba can fuck off
In SKY:
“Paul Pogba is an immense talent and a wonderful lad, I tried to sign him myself, you know” -Arry
Ah well, Fuck it!!!!
I do trust the boss but it will really piss me off big time if the little fucker does turn into a world beater.
Him and Ravel gone.tow of your best prospects in years!
Suppose we will now have to go out spend in the region of £5 to £25 million @ between £40 -100 k per week to reinforce our midfield for next season. Sounds like a great business plan to me! Sorry oh wait i forgot Bebe will be back next year our £7.5 million purchase from Ronaldos agent sorry I mean sporting or was it benifca?
Seriously why the fuck could they not have been tied down to a contract and if they were shit them we could have got some money for them.
I say get Fryers out on his ass as well no great loss as Tyler Blackett is a far better looking leftback/centre back coming through the youth setup at the minute
If what’s reported is true than the reason we are losing pogba has nothing to do with the boy demanding more wages but our refusal to pay his agent a signing on fees. So looks like labelling the boy greedy and arrogant prior to this were after all premature to say the least. So what’s that magic word again? Principles? I wonder how much we paid the agent for a player called Bebe.
What the fuck has bebe got to do with pogba? seems the portuguese is an easy target.
On pogba, i think the fact he hasn’t turned up for reserves or first team squads recently means he’s leaving. A big shame, after watching the guy come through the youth system but has jumped off before getting a chance to establish himself.
Well i can only side with Fergie on this one. He probably has already made plans for the midfield.
Not targeting the player himself but the fact that we were ever willing to pay his agent to secure a player who was unproven as Pogba.
Seems a couple on here act like they know more than the manager. Yes Fergie has made mistakes like any human being would but his decision making more often than not is fucking spot on.
Why should pogba be paid a lavish sum to stay? what message would that send out to the youth players at the club or other players arriving at the club?.
For all the praise flung at pogba, he’s still unproven at the highest level and trust me, you need more than a sporadic cameo against stoke to develop into a dominant player.
If pogba had any intelligence, he’d listen to the manager and send that cunt of an agent who is in it to gain personal financial benefits packing but he’s put his whole career in the agent’s hands.
From a club of United’s stature, renowned for giving youth opportunity (that remains a fact if the player is good enough). If pogba was patient and trusted Fergie, he’ll eventually reap the benefits because the manager knows when a player is ripe enough to be unleashed onto the big stage, he has years of experience in doing so and many great players can pay testament to that.
I think pogba is just another player who has let hype creep into his mentality, he thinks he can just waltz into the first team without impressing the manager not only with his ability but with his fucking attitude.
If he wants to go then au revior to him. if joining juve is progress to pogba then fair play to him but one thing is for certain, united will never stop working to unearth another gem.
what his happening to our youngsters? why isnt anyone just proud to wear the united jersey and play for united nowadays?
United have to study and prevent this from happening in the future. Whats the point in signing youngsters and developing them and lose them to another club. Whats the point in spending a lot money to buy so called star but it is still a not a sure thing whether he will be success or not? It is all about giving chances & taking a gamble whether its a big or small gamble…I seriously hope the people up there know what they are doing. ..for the sake of UNITED.
Having a different point of view does not mean knowing any better than Sir Alex. Its just an opinion without being disrespectful to anyone. Players such as Ravel and Pogba symbolized hope for a promising future. That’s what makes United special. Our passion and obsession with young exciting players that takes our breath away. I have watched the youth team play the last three years (MUTV) and the ones that was class above the rest have just left.
SImple basics:
1) Fergie is not perfect. But he is the very best in his field.He is not above criticism.
2) Voicing yr opinion is ye God given right. But do think before u talk rubbish. Want an example?
U idiots who say its Fergie’ s fault that some young pretty thing got his head turned.
3) United are not perfect. Their bread and butter is the football industry ,they do know how to go
about thier business.
Manutd are among the best managed clubs in the world.
What does that mean I hear u ask?
It means dearies, that they is a method ,tried and tested over the course of the clubs history on how to do things.
So there will be a pay structure for young ones and as they progress ,they will be duly rewarded.
Its also a way to gauge a player ,their atitude and thier commitment to our club.
Do u know how many players we have missed becos they made huge demands on the club?
Not many have had the success they wanted and some have turned out to be idiots.
The bullets we seemed to have dodged.
Have some common decency folks and some common sense. The club will be dissapointed if the kid leaves but if he does it for the wrong reasons then goodbye .
Manutd move on, as we always do.
Lastly, folks do take the time to peruse Manutd official website. Have a look at some of the many young people United have to consider when making decisions.
Their responsibility is to the club and not individuals that disrespect the clubs ways.
So he left BIG FUCKING DEAL. He’s a good player but with the hype some of our fans gave him you’d think he was a Mario Goetze. we will carry on just fine without him. If he was so awesome then Fergie would play him in the first 11 frequently. TRUTH.
Well said, Dave Malaysia. Havent seen you around for a long time, where have you been? Out hunting with TheSmartOne? How’s tuak? Good morning!
For those of u who have an interest in figuring out why some of these things are happening
let me give u one glaring one.
The city mercenaries, paid over the top to get them, and paid stupid sums to play.
Thier agents have been weasling in , getting introductions to Manutd youngsters.
Replacing thier agents as rioala did with Pogba’s .
riola gets credit for going after Pogba, his new meal ticket.
Other sharks have taken Ravel, Larnell Cole and Fryers.
Suddenly they are all demanding crazy sums, and are being touted around europe.
But in Ravels situation the club decided they had enough with his problems and he needed to leave .
The others is the money.
Pogba wants the money now and wants first team action NOW.
He is not willing to work like Wellbeck and Tom.
Dave
Good post. But do refrain from labelling OPO rubbish and some of us here as idiots.
Being perfect is not a God given right.
@Jeet: Good Afternoon. Have been busy, so @smartalex is not back? The tuak is ready when he does.
@68Devils : Tq. If Fergie aint perfect, then neither am I. It would be nice if people take the time to understand what they claim to love.
Then when u disagree on something , u can still see where they are coming from.
And yes they are idiots, those who talk without thinking and expect those of us here to not get offended.
Dave – ahh, sorry – it’s afternoon in your corner of the world. Nah – smarty seems to have disappeared for a while, no doubt to return one day, transformed with even greater wisdom. Mysterious are the ways of the Smart! Keep the tuak ready for Smarty, and for 20!
@dave malaysia : are you sure larnell cole also has a leech of an agent?? how do ya knbow he’s disputing his contract
how do people claim that fergie made a mistake? what was he supposed to do? give to ludicrous demands?? what we really need is to get Gnev back to negotiate deals for these guys. These things have been happening since he left. Rio doesn’t seem to be too good at it.
Re Pogba : Big deal he left. he wasn’t like the next schweinsteiger or anything. we’ll do just fine without him. actually its good not to have a player managed by mino riola on our team. who knows what dimwitted bullshit he’d have spouted while negotiating the next contract.
@68 devils : chill mate. having an opinion is good. but others have one too
Phew,the boy with ‘potential’ has left,can we now buy the tried,tested and proven Javi Martinez?
FUCK YOU POGBA!
ok….i feel better now
@ KingEric
Its not a stab at the club but we can’t be that bias that we don’t question the club either.So what you saying is that Pogba is just swimming in the sea of wrong?Sometimes we need to take care of talent and Pogba my friend is talent.When last has United produced great talent or potentially world class talent?Giggs and Scholes last?And now that do we do have we let them go.Doesn’t that frustrate you?
Saddened by this , but going to wish the young fellah well .
Then i look at this agent ! Blotti’s man . I hate conspiricy therories but can see the hand of Citeh in this .
would be interesting if this really is true and we now make use of the option we have in his current contract…
By the way, is it 100% confirmed? I know there are numbers being mentioned, so it does have the air of authenticity, but we havent yet got an official statement from any of the parties, have we?
What’s Morrison up to at West Ham? Has he kicked a ball yet?
Some good posts by 68Devils on the subject at hand. If Pogba’s Juve wages are to be believed, then clearly he wasn’t being that unreasonable in his demands. Looks like the whole thing broke down due to his agent’s demands. And while I’d like to believe that the club opted for the noble approach and refuse to give in to a leech’s ransom, I do have to wonder though: Would Pogba have stayed at the club if Jorge Mendez was his agent? I think he would. As a club we are not above doing business deals with agents in which they get a hefty commision. As the Bebe deal proved.
Football is reaching a very strange place at the moment. Despite the need for instant results, it seems these days potential is valued way above ability, but players signed at 17/18 can still go either way and they can fail miserably – just witness the number of players touted as ‘the next Maradona’ at this age and compare that to the number who actually go on to become world class. It takes these players 8-10 years to reach a level of consistency required to be valuable to the team, in which time a lot can happen to derail them. The amount of time and money invested in players who never make it is astounding.
If Pogba wants to leave then let him, we can only judge his value to us on his current ability, which is not of any real use to us. There are many other young players in the academy who will continue to progress. If Pogba reaches his potential, so be it, it’s a gamble for Juventus too.
I think people need to look at Pogba’s situation with a little less of the red blinkers. Since being at the club he has not been given the chance to play for the first team, he has seen wingers, defenders and the like played ahead of him even when we were in the middle of a midfield crisis, on some of those occasions he still wasn’t even on the bench.
I know you will say the manager clearly thought he wasn’t ready etc etc and that may well be the case but surely if he can’t get a chance even under those circumstances then he is right to think of moving on. It may just come down to cash but if Pogba want’s to move on from a club where he isn’t being played, regardless of all the great comments being made about him, who can blame him. If he knows Fergie doesn’t think he is ready to trust him then that adds even more weight to why he would want to move on elsewhere where he might get that trust.
I say we look at ourselves and the (lack of ) chances he has been given. Can we really complain that he wants to move on???
The reality is we keep talking up our youngsters but they are not given anywhere near enough game time to develop, hence why they get sold on and we keep buying in young talent like Smalling, Jones, Da Silva’s etc etc I know its easier to do that when you are not as high profile a club as ours but lets be a little more balanced in assessing Pogba’s possible options…
I really want this idiot to fail..and he will – he was overrated….
If he does go I’d be gutted but the show goes on.GlORY GLORY Man UNITED!!!
The problem is only 11 players can be on the field at a time + 3 subs.
This club has to stop wasting money signing or keeping players that don’t play.
Owen, Macheda should be sold.
Midfield positions if we were to sign a new CM, Fletch and Ando has to go too.
Defenders we seem to be short on as this is an injury-prone area.
Stick to just 2 players for every position + a youth team player on standby as cover.
This way we can trim our spending on wages wasted on the likes of Bebe, Owen, …
I disagree with some saying that the issue at hand has nothing to do with Pogba but just his agent.
First of all the lad is 18 and not a toddler, surely his agent is not his only adviser… What about his parents, elder family members etc. If the boy really wants to stay but his agent was getting in the way he would have fired him I am sure he is lured by the money he is set to make as I am sure his parents are
Any other player his age with alleged talent and desperate to play for United would have had the matter sorted ages ago
Morning all
@eric keane: The players being mentioned having new agents who represent city players and players who are delaying signing new contracts, Larnell is one.
@Gizmoj: Lets start at what i wrote earlier.
That is neither Fergie or United are perfect.
Then , we do our best and we are among the best for generations in developing young talent.
Followed by the club mantra ,if they are good enough, then they are good enough to play.
Pogba has breezed thru with Tunni , into the reserves/first team. Overtaking more senior players.
His ability has got him this far.
If he is ready for the first team , then he wud have played more. Not just the carling cup and one first team game.
Fergie has explained, if the player is ready he will get his oppurtunity BUT NOT for any other reason.
They have to be ready , otherwise it cud set them back , be a big blowout if they do badly.
Do u not trust a man who specializes in this feild, Fergie and his team of coaches?
Think about it and your answer will tell u everything .
Then when the club successfully finds brilliant young talent like Smalling and Jones, are we supposed to keep quiet or go get them?
Every player tells the same story , the intense pressure and competition at the club.Even when ur established u need to do well or someone will take yr place.
And the fact the club looks past just talent, they look at character and ability to deal with the pressures.
Why not sign Jordan Henderson or Oxlade? Cos jordon dosent seem to have fitted with the United standards.
Oxlade wanted Arsenal,he is thier supporter.
I cud go on , but then i am sure u get the picture. Its a gamble everytime we sign someone, United do work hard to get the right player and its not easy .
Will the player have the charater and ability to handle the pressure along with the talent?
Does the player want to join us?
Does the fee fit the valuation or do we pay now cos he is the real deal?
Signing Jones and Smalling was brilliant for United. They will join those coming thru the youth structure succesfully.
And with that it means those willing to work like Welbeck and Cleverly.
So when u say those words ‘ can u blame them when they have no oppurtunitys’ , think again.know your club.
Pogba either works like Welbeck/Tom or he can fuck the hell off.
chica chica – You do realise we generally do have two players for each position, then the rest are youngsters? The league rule only allows a team to submit 25 players over the age of 21.
Take CM for instance. We had Ando and Cleverly playing. They got injured, we had Fletcher and Carrick. Fletcher got injured, then we were lucky to get Scholes back.
I know people will talk about Pogba should of played more, but most youngsters need time to settle in the team. Christ, even Scholes didn’t really become a general first team player till his was 20, and he’s rated one of the best midfielders of his generation. You saw the process starting, he was on the bence and if the game was won, he would play him. Sadly he’s, more than likely, decided to leave. Good on him, if thats what he wants. But I doubt he’ll be playing much in Juventus first team any time soon.
I also keep reading about the Bebe deal being some what a dodgy one, any proof of that? Do you think for one second that Sir Alex would approve of such a thing?
We were mugged into bying the player end of, bad advice and we bought it. The same could be said of Kleberson, Djemba Djemba etc
The Question for me should be do Ferguson knows what is he doing with our midfield? If pogba is gone I dnt blame because if I was him I wouldn’t be happy to sit on the bench and watch Carrick and such.
Can’t blame United here, they should not be allowed to be held to ransom by these wannabe’s and their greedy agents who have no thought what is best for their clients but only their bank accounts.
Congratulations Pogba, you have been well and truly shafted by your agent. Have fun playing in half empty stadiums that would compete with Wigan for attendances.
I really have to laugh at comments in here “fuck off PP since you are going somewhere else” bla bla bla. The story continues, how many forreign youth kids stay on and make it at United?? Start looking at the money spent on poaching the kids, pissing off teams across Europe and developing the kids in our academy – and they dont make it or sign elsewhere…. I don’t care what diluded people on this board say, Paul Pogba has been one of the biggest talents in Europe, has been the captain for France at every level and if people go back and read what they wrote after the Stoke game, when Ravel was being kicked out of the team, well so-called fanes should be ashamed of themselves. PP was the real thing, lets put it at that.
Lets put things into perspective, given that the numbers are right. PP got offered 1 mill from us, but opted for Juve for 2 mill. Bebe cost 7 mill and salary, Obertan cost 3 mill and salary, Diouf cost 4 mill and salary, Tosic cost 7 mill and salary and the list actually goes on. A big club needs to take chances and some signings pan out like Javier – but why not take a chance on PP?
People say, now we can go out and sign a real MF – u gotta be kidding me So we weant to bring in a guy from outside the club?? Where will we get a MF for 2 mill?
It’s going to be interesting to follow these players:
Massacci
Petrucci
Macheda
Fornasier
The Belgian and Dutch kid as well as the Brazilian kid.
Are these players going to make it? Are these players if they make it, going to sign for United or want to head back to Rome (or Barcelona like Pique) ?
So what we gonna say next time, lets say Fryers doesnt want to sign – well fuck off Fryers u ungreatful ass- btw lets go sign a player from another team in stead. I guess we might as well just scrap the academy all together.
As usual I will get stick in here, will be told this and that. But the fact remains, not that many highly rated forreigners actually pan out and if they dont have loyalty, why poach them to begin with?
Lets end the rant with a look at our current midfield.
Carrick – 30 years
Giggs – 38 years
Scholes – 36 years
Park – 31 years
Fletcher – 28 (will he ever come back?)
Anderson – 23 (glass legs)
Cleverly – 22 (glass legs)
We are getting by and we could win the PL again, but at some point age will have to be adressed and then its a shame that our own youth opt to not play for United. As a side note Ljajic, the midfielder we cancelled is playing for Fiorentina, has been a bit injured – but is turning into a pretty darn good player.
Maybe SAF does some magic and turns it around. If not, well another one bites the dust and this time its a shame.
If pogba wants to leave then Shit happens. he clearly doesn’t regard united as a club to fully commit his career to, he’s a player that feels playing is just a job and where the huge money comes from is what matters.
If he never left united now, he’ll probably do so in the not so distant future or he’ll embroil himself into another contract tug of war. He has no affiliation to manchester united so moving to juve, aided by his crook of an agent shouldn’t be a shock. after all, the agent has engineered eye catching moves for his players (balotelli, ibrahimov e.t.c. not exactly players famed for staying at one club).
He hasn’t done nothing to warrant all the hype and he’s only big news because of the state of the quality squad depth in midfield united currently possessed. Fergie has hyped some of these youth players, we’ve all hyped some of them, giving them idea they’re carved out of diamond when in reality, they’ve barely made any impact.
In football, you win some or you lose some. Even the formidable barcelona loses youth players regularly (and buy them back), weeping about it like bitches that has just had an early morning wedgy won’t change fuck all. If he’s gone, he’s vamoozed. Banging on about what commission Fergie did or didn’t pay is in my view irrelevant because if pogba truly felt united was the club to develop into a super star then he’d have stayed, he doesn’t so get some kleenex tissue and weep.
It’s still unconfirmed but it’s clear he’s gone, Fergie will have an idea or two regarding the midfield conundrum, he can’t drag the brilliant scholes out of retirement regularly, he’ll have to take action which he will.
Morrison has left for “First team football” yet he sits in the shades picking his nose, hasn’t played this season and may not do so for a long while, the grass isn’t always greener
Watching the likes of Carrick and such? Carrick has been one of the best midfield players in the league this season, certainly one of our best player….
For me, watching ‘his likes’ is pure joy
Midfield issue has been there for many years just that its been paper over by consecutive title wins but the reality is that our loss against the top opposition always lie with it. We have the potential to be so much better if we address this issue but after seeing how SAF said there was no value in market, i figured someone like Pogba ought to come through but we are back to square one now. seriously FML
If foreign players don’t pan out as you say, why not fill the academy with hopeless ones because they’re british and have commitment. Football is like a gamble, you will win or will lose some, probability is high and i’m not Suprised some players jump at the chance to leave the club. I’ll take my united tinted glasses and be blunt, united aren’t the be all and end all for some players, it’s a fact and that same philosophy applies to pogba or anyone else.
Who claimed he wasn’t good? he is but he’s clearly untested at the level united currently operate at, we’ll never know if he has the tools to do so until he conjures up with juve, he hasn’t made any impact at united that will make me miss him.
He was one the bright hopes coming through the academy Due to the lack of squad depth quality in midfield at united, perhaps we’ve all placed our hopes on these unproven youths but history tells that humans should not be relied on and we’re suffering the consequences.
Pogba departing isn’t the be all and end all like many would have you believe, for as many that departs, we’ll continue to develop others and if they leave, we’ll continue on the same circulating journey, it’s the name of the game.
DaveMalesya….no one is saying that SAF dont know his job. I think we all want the best for the club. But you just ask yourself sometimes is this what SAF decided right or wrong. he also make mistakes. i dont know is this righr or wrong, time will tell. but you need also take a risk. i say that he is better than Bebe and cheaper.
and like someone said…if he doesnt play.why he would stay at the club? he is not twat because of that. he didnt say anything bad about club. he wants to.play, and SAF think he is not ready. guy think different and he want out. that is legal.
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Morning United
I couldn’t care less about Pogba – I also couldn’t care less about his apparent WORLD CLASS talents. If he was that good he would have been in the team – Beckham Scholes Giggs Nevilles Butt lately Anderson Nani Rooney Ronaldo The DaSilva brothers Welbeck TC…
Something is up with him, we are the team that has history with youth – why would we not give him his chance if he wasn’t good enough? Because his head isn’t in the right place – fair enough mate – the shirt survived long before does now and will forever more without those who wish not to wear it with pride
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Honestly, i don’t know why bebe keeps getting dragged into this discussion. The portuguese was a gamble that hasn’t paid off, managers have to gamble all the time to unearth gems. bebe, obertan, djemba djemba or whoever people want to bring up is completely irrelevant as to why pogba wants to leave, it’s his own personal decision. easy to blame the portuguese currently on loan, what has this bullshit got to do with him?
King Eric
Morning my good friend….. I doubt anyone wanted Arsenal to win last night, I certainly did not. The whole thing is just a piss take and comes from my err alleged admiration for RvP….Its just good for a laugh….
I used to despise them with a passion during the Keown and co days, now they mean nothing to me. My own personal passionate hate as it were is for one club and one club alone, key word here is passionate.
I think in recent weeks we have discussed Pogba more than any proper first team player, enough already….
Sammy Samuel
Spot on at 9:24, For some to claim we as a club fascilitated the deal so that an agent can bang the money is down right stupid
MG
Seems you have almost completed Theo’s part 2! That was epic…. Loved the last part
‘When they say we play like Barcelona, this gives me an incredible feeling inside, full of warmth and joy’
Good morning to you too
Morning Cedars
Hear here Cedars Pogba is getting more time that any other player – at least I am a slave and only God knows Ronaldo actually proved his worth and won everything – whereas Pogba?
May we escort him out or does he need his agent’s dick to pull him through?
The case of Tail being allowed to wag the Dog. Good that we nipped it in the bud. Pogba is one deluded guy. we would rather buy players like Park,Valencia and Li’L pea and help them develop at the club rather than showing faith in players like pogba,morrison and getting fuck all in the end. but hey, we shall not bow down to some money hungry 18yr old kids. scholes and beckham hadn’t even got their chances at 18.
they should look at players like Ronaldo who worked like a dog when he came. with success comes money too. these kids don’t get that. and i won’t be sad if he ends up at city after joining juve.
Good riddance, over inflated sense of self worth will never fit into a TEAM.
@MG: No he needs it to push him through
Jeet
MG
Too bloody right, only reason he is getting all the media attention is because he is at United…
For everyone
Would you not just love to have this fella back in the Premiership? I know I would
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaZYhTd2BU
As Evra once said about himself, Pogba should go to a Church every morning and thank God for giving him the chance to play for United.
If he does not feel that way he should fuck off to wherever he wants!
Greedy b*stard agent, greedy b*stard player. I’d really like to know about this supposed ‘option’ Fergie said we had on the lad. Invoking this ‘option’ would mean we could flog him for a few quid. Maybe the club are so concerned by these unproven kids’ unrealistic demands and over inflated egos that they’re making an example of the likes of Pogba and Morrison?!? They were at Man Utd – if they didn’t realise that’s the best place in the world for any young player, then they should f*ck right off.
Arjunited
Totally agreed with both your posts
Cedars
In that video:
Rafa says he doesn’t want to start the mind games early.
That’s exactly what he did and they fell apart
Justice for Rafa – bring him back campaign starts here at the ROM – all monies collected will go to FACHTS a charity based in Liverpool to help deluded scourers get over Manchester United
Working for his agent. Sad sad sad…
MG
He is just down right stupid, bloody cracks me up…. At first he mentiones that ‘Mr Ferguson’ was fined 10,000 pounds with a two match touch line ban, then later he says that ‘Mr Ferguson’ is the only manager that gets away with everything! ha ha
What a tool
Cedars
It’s Mr. Fergoosun, no?
Like I said on an earlier post: if Pogba (or anyone else) wants to pass up the opportunity to grow and prosper at the greatest and most prestigious sports club on the planet, under the greatest manager that ever drew breath, just because someone else is offering a few extra grand a week RIGHT NOW and more playing time RIGHT NOW, then he can fuck off RIGHT NOW. Doesn’t worry me a bit. I wouldn’t even waste my breath trying to talk some sense into him. Anyone who is so fucked up that he needs to have this spelled out to him, isn’t worth the effort. “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.” Well, someone led this horse to the finest football oasis that ever existed, and now he won’t drink, so it’s best he fuck off back into the wilderness.
I read a story the other day about a lad who was touted as “the next Giggs” when he was 11 or 12. Blazing fast and good skills, by all accounts. Was offered a youth place at The Arse but turned it down because he didn’t want to move to London. Did a two-week trial with United, but wasn’t offered a place. Ended up at the Barcodes. Was a star at the youth level, high expectations, but when he got past U18, found the going a whole lot tougher. Suddenly found himself playing against guys with 5 or more years of physical development and experience. Suddenly, found his speed wasn’t quite so blazing, his skills weren’t so outstanding, and the flaws in his game began to show up. He went from a star against other youths, to struggling against the pros. He was released and his life spun out of control. His girlfriend took him to South America and talked him into swallowing condoms of cocaine to smuggle them back into England. Two of the condoms burst and … well, you can guess the rest.
The point? The transition from youth to first team pro football is tough. It is difficult to judge youth talent, because even those who shine at that level, can (and often do) fail to take that “next step”. Pogba and the others look great, and maybe they will make it, but none of us should take it for granted, and neither should they. No one can know for sure, but Sir Alex gets it right more often than he gets it wrong, and certainly more often than anyone else has ever done. If he thinks Pogba or Morrison (or whoever) is not ready for the first team, then I’ll take that opinion over the opinions (and egos) of the player and his agent any day. End of.
Oh, and by the way, for those of you who know a little of the shit I’ve been going through over the last year: I have finally got the job I came back to Australia for and I’ll start in a couple of weeks! Which also means that, pretty soon, I will once again have access to all the United footy on TV! Cheers lads!
Stateside
About bloody time! Good luck with the new job mate. By the way is your accent still in check or do you sound like a yank now?
What a load of bull. haven’t been on ROM in a while but losing this lad is just taking the piss. Over what? 20k a week? and we’re playing hard ball. Fuck me
Well done Stateside!
The next time I’m down Under I shall surely be coming your way! – That’s if you’re going to have me
Get that barbie going fella! No not that one the other one!
You got it right?
Pogba ‘s United career in pictures:
http://twitpic.com/8t3u94
He appears to gave wanted a move regardless if the confusion over what we offered ( 20k) and what he accepted (16-20k). Maybe his cut of the transfer ?. Anyway speculation aside the facts.
He tried to hold manager and club to random and overstepped the boundries. If he’s like this now what would he be like in several years when at team level the club us truly dependent on him ( assuming his talent develops). The knock on effect of SAF losing credibility is nit acceptable so the outcome ad it stands is the right decision. I wish the lad well. We , as always will move on .
I cannot believe the praise Wenger is getting for his “valiant and brave efforts”. Fuck off . They got ironed in Milan else they would wouldnt be out.
mara – Oh turn it in pal.
@Stateside – love the rant! and congratulations!
samuel – Spot on about Fergie and his decisons pal as usual!
Stateside and Dave – Top posts.
Cedars – Hello my friend. Oh I didnt mean you mate, just some that were saying “go on Arsenal”.
Yes our midfield that “has papered over the cracks” has only won us 4 league titles and got to 3 European Cup finals. Yes it needs new blood this summer but its not been as bad as some make out. You don’t fluke this amount of trophies.
Haha… Arjun… Couldn’t have explained it much better, nice one….
As all the big fans posted here, we have coped when the big stars left, why can’t we now? Overall, after watching all the games pogba played for united, I won’t feel that much disappointment even if he leaves now… Why, don’t we have any other midfielders in our reserve/youth squad now to succeed him?
GGMU… Pogba… GGMU… one day you will sing this song with tears in your eyes, thinking about the opportunity you lost…
Yes I totally believe in King Eric
And to trump my own cards, I don’t fluke winning on Football Manager either.
If watching Carrick is a joy for you to watch then you are an idiot who doesn’t know nothing about football. He wouldn’t play for none of the top teams in Europe. He cnt even get in the worst team in the world (England). It’s because of players like him that united are shit without the ball
@Cedars
I found this on the Bebe deal: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2011/jan/20/manchester-united-bebe
Apparently his agent (who also happens to be Nani, Ando, Ronaldo and De Gea’s agent) pocketed 3 million pounds from the 7.5 mil deal. I don’t think it’s a stretch of the imagination to assume that United have cut deals where the agent has gotten a hefty commision. It’s the nature of the beast these days.
So I don’t understand how suddenly Pogba’s agent (who demanded less than what Mendez got for the Bebe deal) is the devil incarnate. Personally I don’t buy it. As it turns out, we lost Pogba cheaply.
go to hell pogba
go to hell raiola
sp – What a clown. No he can’t get in the Ingerlund side but what the fuck does that have to do with it? Have you seen Parker and Barry? They can’t even retain the ball. I think pal you are THE only person this season slagging Carrick. He has been superb.
sp – Ha. even funnier is United ARE one of the best teams in Europe. Just not this season but I bet if we were to enter the Champions League now we would fare better than most of the sides currently in it. Are you a bitter or summat?
No biggie. We’ll move on from this. Someone will step up and take his place.
Over 200 now and still going incredible,I stated some time ago that both Pogba and Morrison were a smokescreen used to mask not buying in midfield replacements (sorely needed replacements) stated they were a million miles from first team football.So if Pogba is defo off then the smoke will clear away finally.
@sp:
regarding Carrick have u ever think why did England won nothing while United winning almost everything eversince carrick bosses our midfield? it seems u’re the idiot one who doesnt really understand the way football play today.
Do the people here on this board really and honestly think that all the players on Uniteds books and wage bill, play for United out of love for the club and respect for the manager and not for the wages???
Come on and don’t make me laugh.Some of the players might and most likely the players who grew up in Manchester and have been here there whole life. But, most of the players come to United, because they double their wages in the first place.
We can pretend everything is romantic and such, but for players its all about playing time and wages. It’s hrash but true. We the fans, we love the club and the team and the jersey and will never ever consider changing teams. But, for the players – this is their job, United is their work place.
For some players comming to the end of their carreer and having won a truck load og trophies and had a great time, they will pledge lojalty to the badge – but getting them to come to United – we’ll, like it or not, it’s about the money.
We have players on our books that SAF wants to sell, but who want to sit out their contract because wages at united are superior to wages at possible new teams.
I read some of your comments and you seem fairly dismisive, but I have to say I think this is an issue, we have a restriction on wages (which I agree with), so we have to rely on the up and coming players to fulfil promise. We have needed a midfield king for 5/6 years now and as much as I love scholes his legs are not what they used to be, we need youth and craft, and at present without Scholes we seem devoid of the craft, whihc puts us back into the bear pit with Cite and Chelski competing for a top quality over priced midfielder!!
Lets face it we are not the team we were 5 years ago, yes we are winning leagues etc.. but we are not as strong, and unless we fix the midfield issue our problems will get worse not better.
pogba is bullshit if he is NOT prepared to wait like cleverley and welbeck well then FUCK OFF
Now I know we all have opinions on what is/has happened but this is mine and if everyone disagrees with me then that is their prerogative. In the last 4 years, club policies regarding renewal of contracts changed. In that time span, it has caused us problem after problem. A tightening of the purse strings, along with this policy change whereby contracts will only be renewed 6 months from expiry led us to the Tevez saga, Rooney being in a position to put in a transfer request, the loss of Morrison and now Pogba due to contracts being sorted at the last minute. The same scenario threatens with Fryers, and with that we stand to lose our best 3 youth players (in terms of ready to join the 1st team) in a span of 12 months.
Now I don’t mind the club holding out against player demands etc. but what they did to appease Rooney set a dangerous precedent. It sparked a surge in player demands and other contracts getting increased for key players barely 2 years after their last.
My key issue however with the situation was how the club have approached Pogba’s integration with the 1st team. “If we hold Paul Pogba back, what’s going to happen? He’s going to leave in a couple of years’ time when his contract is finished. We have to give him opportunities to see how he can do in the first team. He’s got the ability, the physique and the athleticism.” (Said SAF 6 months ago on no new midfield signings). Fast forward to now, and after fielding Jones and Rafael in midfield ahead of a fully fit Pogba during a injury ravaged period in November and December with plenty of non essential EPL matches in that period, seeing a superb cameo sub appearance against Stoke City in January, he lets Rio and Evra talk to him. What does this tell the player of his worth, when you bring a 36 year old retiree back and start him 6 times already compared to Pogba’s 0 ? It tell you that you are not that important, and its no surprise that he has agreed in a move away when in fairness he deserved at least a chance in our ageing and injury prone midfield.
Lets see what the new excuse is this summer, because every year there seems to be a new one for not signing a quality midfielder….. “No value in the market:” “None are available that would improve what we have” ““If we hold Paul Pogba back, what’s going to happen?”
I love Utd, have done since 1990 and will do till the day I die, I will back SAF in what ever decision he makes, but for those on here that jump on the ” Who are we to question the great one” brigade any time someone is unhappy with the clubs actions or lack of it, need to understand that no one is beyond criticism because the club will be there after the Manager, Coaches, First Team Players and Youth Prospects go. Therefore if a see a spade, I will damn well call it a spade!
Anyway I’m done with my mini-rant, look forward to reading everyone’s views as ROM is a celestial fan site! (in the words of Ray Hudson lol)
Very well said Darius C.
Seriously pogba looked good for 20 mins against a tired stoke team. Morrison looked like our best reserve player. If this is his attitude best he goes, im more bothered by the fact that these BOYS nowadays have already lost passion for football and solely concentrate on wages these days. players like pogba will never reach legendary status at any club and at the end of his career will have achieved nothing. If anyone can turn a kid into a world beater it SAF, however no player can be a world beater with a greedy attitude it has to b about the football first. Long gone are the days of your Shearers, giggs and scholes the world is now made up of balotellis, tevez’s and Now pogbas. Good move lad hope u enjoy bench warming in Italy while having bananas thrown at you. Another career wasted by greedy agents. Ruining the footballing world. I would rather have scholes n giggs play till 90 and get solsjkear n cantona back and b relegated than pay to watch overplayed show ponies. I want to see players kiss the badge and mean it. FOOTBALL IS DEAD!
I’ll do the fly in the ointment routine
Let’s get one thing straight – Manchester United are duly affected by what the Glazer’s have done to the club
No doubt, no second guessing, no arguing.
But they don’t control the team.
Gill is in charge of the business side of affairs Sir Alex the team
SAF has always identified players he needs and we all know that being a striker once he is obsessed with buying strikers over everyone else, though of course that doesn’t stop him splashing cash when he needs to.
United have tried to go back to the youth model in order to set up the future, it may work it may not work but it isn’t going to happen now for us yet anyway, though all the signs are there.
Pogba may become an excellent player but no one here is privy to his training and to his attitude. Only the gaffer and the coaches know that. It is true that he seems to be a player in the making, but that means fuck all if all you think about is that the only thing good for you is money.
Now we want Pogba to play and at times nearly all of us have raised an eyebrow when he hasn’t played especially with the injuries that have gone on – but within all that time Pogba and his agent have never given United an inkling to get on sign the contract get it out of the way and move on.
Just like Ravel, Pogba cannot make a decision without his agent and his agent cannot let Pogba carry on with United if other offers are available.
SAF would be privy to this, so do you think the manager would play a player who is having second thoughts on wearing the shirt?
A lot of this world class stuff is bullshit, questioning the manager is fair play: sometimes I don’t even understand what he gets up to, but doubting him is wrong because he’s seen it and done it.
He only made an exception to Ronaldo in my opinion and even then towards the end Ronaldo was just too eager to get the fuck out of United.
Pogba and his agent have been playing this game for a while, it has nothing to do with SAF, because the gaffer is still in control. SAF can only play the cards that are dealt because we all know now that it’s about agents and their desires for the players they control. It’s about making more money by continually moving the player on and in that sense raping the next team for signing on fees and bonus for moves etc etc.
Ravel has done it yet he fairs no better at West Ham. Pogba allegedly has done it and good luck to him if he believes Juventus is the step up. Ultimately if he was having a clash of personalities with his agent he could fire him and move on, but he hasn’t.
So we move on, it’s no big deal, it’s only because it’s Manchester United that this is a world wide story.
Even when Barcelona lost Fabregas and Pique it wasn’t much.
Tells you something.
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Spot on MG!
Whatever the reason Pogba feels the need to jump ship, it shouldn’t cause divisions amongst fellow Reds, This season has thrown all sorts at us, we have survived so far because we are United, we stick together, or we fall by the wayside.
Darius C – well put mate, I agree with your comments, our only problem is do the powers that be run the team as a business ( as they appear to be doing now) or do you join in the crap started by blackburn and made worse by Chelski and Cite. If we join in the crap we will sink without a trace as we cannot compete with the bottomless pockets of Russia and UAE, but if we run as a business we are also knackered cos we wont atract any players worth there salt!, and the youngsters coming through appear to be deserting the ship like rats, I am afraid to say there are dark days ahead if something doesnt change soon for all footie teams!!
Darius
Great post mate and 100% agree. saf said in the summer he wasn’t signing anyone because we didnt need to. Playing Rafael ahead of of pogba against Blackburn was a weird one. If the kid feels he doesnt want to be here fine we move on.
My concern is why are youngsters keen to leave? Is it just money, I don’t think so. Morrison was just a chav so glad he went but I really like Pogba and at 18 this could be a huge mistake.
Wow. This thread is still going strong. It shows how passionate we are one the subject.
@Stateside. Congrats on the job brother. Next time you are coming through Texas (Austin or DFW) give me a heads up. A pint at Trinity Irish Pub will have your name on it.
au revoir Pogba
And good luck on juventus bench you dumb idiot.
leaving United for Juventus, jesus what an idiot.
Lonestarred.
Mate I have had many a beer in trinity’s Irish bar good times.
Stateside
Echo Lonestar congrats mate good news
MG – Spot on pal.
Fryers won’t be going, he has been featuring for the reserves and played last night.
Cheers Costas and Giggs12Gerrard0, referring to what MG said, I do agree with what you are saying except with the matter not being a big deal. I think you will find it is Man Utd fans who are most deeply concerned with the developments recently regarding our Youth and see it as a big deal, and Im pretty sure die hard Barca fans were similarly outraged when Pique and Cesc upped and left when they did as well.
What is clear to me is that although no one could lay fault or blame for the horrendous injury lists we have had in patches throughout the last 2 years, wouldn’t you say that going into the new season the balance of the squad was off, and therefore severe injuries only served to remind us just how unbalanced the team ( mainly midfield and striking departments) had become?
SAF is revered and respected for all he has done and is currently doing, working miracles despite the tighter financial restrictions seemingly placed on the club. However some of the man management in the past few years has been equally horrendous (Berbatov, Tevez, Rooney saga, Pogba,Tosic, Kuszszak, Ramsey etc). SAF is a Godsend, but like everyone else he is not perfect. Shouldnt we be fair and call a spade a spade?
@Giggs12Gerrard0
We will have to meet for a pint at Trinity.
LoneStar
No can do mate I am back in Manchester now mate it was in my days of coaching in Mansfield TX
The Rooney saga? He handled that perfectly. As for Tevez, he seen through his and Kia’s game from the start. Hence, we didn’t sign him. A lot of hot air getting spewed over Pogba, when we don’t know yet the full story. Toisc? Really? Lol. Don’t think we missed out on anything there. It seems to me people are getting their panties in a twist over nothing. Players will always come and go. It’s not a new phenomenon. Berbatov has been treated unfairly at times. Certainly last season he was unlucky to lose his place to Rooney. In the end though, it worked out ok, as we won our 19th title. Lets hold off castigating Fergie’s man management abilities, until the full details are known. For the record, I think that’s one of Fergie’s strengths down the years. Ask Ronaldo, or Cantona about Fergie’s man management skills?
Credit to FletchTHEMAN for posting this link first on the DeGea thread. Talksport looks at the true gems of our upcoming midfielders. I guess we will be OK after all.
http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/2012-03-07/forget-pogba-these-man-united-teens-are-real-future-old-trafford
Thanks lads for the well wishes.
@MG, you (and any other mates from ROM) are welcome to visit. I’ll be living in a city called Wollongong, about 80km south of Sydney, and can arrange transport. Nice beaches down there!
@LoneStarRed — I highly doubt I’ll be back in the US, but Texas is one of my favorite places and I regret not having spent more time down there. I had the biggest motherfucker of a pork chop in Houston that I have ever seen, and that was just the “junior” version for lunch. Let’s hope we can catch up together somewhere, sometime!
At least Fryers will sign up…thanks God!