Poor old Carlos Queiroz has lost his job as the manager of Portugal, with the FPF president Gilberto Madail making the announcement today.
“On the 14th we announced two objectives which needed to be satisfied. They were to qualify for the finals and to qualify for the elimination phase. Even though these objectives were met, we thought the result fell short of what we expected. After analysis it was decided to terminate Queiroz’s contract immediately.”
Portugal currently sit 4th out of 5 in their Euro qualifying group, behind Cyprus, after losing 1 and drawing 1.
I do wonder if Queiroz is a man whose eyes are too big for his belly. After wolfing down a respectable about at the all you can eat buffet, he’ll always go up for that one plate too many that makes him throw up.
At a certain level, he is excellent, but beyond that, he’s punching above his weight, as stints at Real Madrid and Portugal have shown.
Maybe I’ve being unkind, he didn’t get much of a chance in Madrid, thanks to the president at the time, Florentino Perez, who sold Makelele behind Queiroz’s back and wouldn’t back Queiroz’s decision to sign Pepe, amongst other things. Then with Portugal, the 6 month ban he stupidly brought on himself didn’t help, but Portugal had a disappointing World Cup. Although, didn’t everyone? It’s not as if even Spain or Holland set the world alight.
But at a lower level, Queiroz did a great job, first with the Portugal U-20. The Portuguese “Golden Generation”, which included the talents of Luis Figo and Rui Costa, was attributed to his scouting. His work with the Under-20s in Portugal, discovering talent, saw them develop and as the first team years late, reach the 2000 European Championship semi-finals, then finalists 4 years later, as well as the 2006 World Cup semis.
Then at United, as our number 2, he was fabulous. There’s no way we would have won the European Cup in 2008 if not for the tactics he brought in. Fancy being able to keep Barcelona at bay at the Nou Camp and Old Trafford?
I don’t blame him for leaving us either time. I think they are probably the only two jobs he would leave us for and they both happened to come up. He knew if he stayed as our number 2 he would probably get the United job one day, but he knew Sir Alex well and knew “one day” could be a long way away.
It’s a shame though because his career will most likely peter out when he could have been a part of lots more massive success at United.
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Would you still have Carlos Queiroz as United manager?
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Hasn’t really been a success at Management level.
Fergie sign him up
He’s not done as well as he was required to do: so, the chop. That’s the reality of professional management – you’re only as good as your results. CarlosQ’s results were lousy and his team played very, very, very poorly when it mattered – and they played poorly with excellent players (is this the Capello echo ?)
Treated terrible by the FPF , wonder if Mickey phelan is worried
Once Twice 3 times an assistant manager
Get your money on him being back at Utd within a few weeks, as we rumoured on the SEF site a few weeks back.
I posted above and I’ll say again, why would we want a guy who’s walked out twice on us back at the club? Maybe if Mickey Phelan had a exotic sounding name, he’d be more thought of.
Willie
do get me wrong
im loving Mickey Phelan – have a chant for him but nothing that sounds good coming from a 4 year olds mouth
Good Assistant Manager…not so good Manager (apparently)
john cofi with another goal
I think he was about 10 in 12 now
We need him back at united
I could see him back, Bebe would surely benefit as would Valencia as CQs spanish is excellent.
Don’t mind a revolving door in that position as I think it should be as competitive as any other spot. Also, I believe the training of the lads and the resulting injuries have been much worse under Phelan. Don’t know if that is fair, but it has been horrendous over the last 2-3 years.
Several longer stories are out.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,13954_6367024,00.html
Anybody gotten tickets for liverpool game through ticket exchange?
The entire FPF should be fired not just Carlos. He is the tip of the iceberg.What a sad state of affairs.
Willierednut..truth be told, never has he left us with bad blood. He got a chance to manage his country which is a dream for any man and you can’t begrudge a man for his ambition. He added something tactically to our game and we with a core of the team still Portugese it wouldn’t hurt having him around. As much as loyalty says we stick with Phelan, pragmatically we’d be better with CQ around.
carlos .Q (?) back at united ,would be gr8 n working with fergie n developing Bebe in into superstar as C.ron after all carlos was like father figure when C.ron’s father expired..It all depends on fergie n C.Q they have gud repo n understanding btwn them ..Fingers crossed.
bring him back already!
Would love him to become assistant manager again. I just think Mike Phelan is a little bit dry.
Don’t need him back imo, Rene and Mickey Phelan are good enough for what we want to achieve. Who’s to say, if we did bring him back, that he wouldn’t walk out again?
make him back now is okay, but i had little bit afraid of sir alex will give him the job when he retire.
but i also loved mike s shorts look very much
There’s no way in hell he’d get the United job, but sadly there’s every chance he’ll come back as number 2.
Mickey Phelan deserves respect
CQ can’t just walk back into his old job
If SAF can cater for him and wants him back for a role in which CQ would be happy to do fair enough
But MP and Rene have been excellent and as mentioned deserve respect
Doesn’t cut it as a manager, but is a fantastic assistant manager and youth coach. I would love to have him back here, his tactical nous was key to us winning the double in the 07/08 season, he was pretty successful in his time with us. What job would we offer him though? I doubt he’ll come back tbh.
@willierednut, there’s actually very little chance he’ll come back number 2, Phelan was recently appointed for that role, it doesn’t seem like he’ll be going anytime soon.
another Brian Kidd.
Great coach……shite manager
Great ideas……shite man-managment.
Sir Alex wont demote Mickey phelan so cant see him back unless he’s willing to be just another coach. we do miss his input though.
Fze123 – My fear, if that he’s brought back in some capacity, that Rene and Mickey P might feel undermined. Not saying he’s not a good number 2, but he’s made his bed now.
I’d have him back, he’s an absolutely fabulous number 2 and, as a few others have mentioned, was an integral part of the success we enjoyed in the 07/08 season.
Whilst I’m not privy to what goes on at Carrington and Old Trafford, I get the feeling that Mike Phelan is something of a yes man, and wouldn’t be the sort of person to rock the boat by suggesting something different to Fergie’s plans. I may be completely wrong of course, but I don’t think Mike helps himself in his interviews – does he ever say anything interesting?!
tbh it seems to me CQ is twice the assistant manager Phelan is..
where was Phelan when we was struggling in the CL final 1 year ago?
he was trying to hide himself deep in his chair..
the way I see it he has so far been Fergie’s dog who does his dirty work..
Bringing messages from SAF to the players so Fergie doesnt have to do it all the time..
Also I have never really seen Fergie asking Phelan for advice..
whereas I see him talking to Rene all the time.. who is a coach not A. Manager..
and I also saw him talking alot to Queiroz.. all the time actually..
Yeah, it was all Phelan’s fault, when we struggled last season, nothing to do with the injury crisis. Queroiz might well be a better number 2, but at least he’s fucking loyal, and won’t jump ship when the first offer comes up.
@willierednut, Rene has been here for years as has Phelan who was also a Utd player. I don’t think Querioz returning would make them want to leave the club they have spent their whole career in. If the club does decide to bring him back, they’ll probably give him a different role. Why should they feel undermined? We were still successful with their help in the 08/09 season, without Querioz. I don’t think the club would even consider letting one go, we are a club that appreciates the work of every person, from a player to a toilet cleaner.
MG @ 21:16: “Mickey Phelan deserves respect.. CQ can’t just walk back into his old job”
The only way that I’d have Carlos back in the asst manager’s job if he could bring Ronaldo with him ! – and pay his wages !!
He’s yesterday’s news; I don’t get why people think that Phelan is doing such a bad job. The asst manager just tells the players to hop, skip, and jump, it’s SAF who is the genius.
A chance to manage Madrid or to manage your country’s national team hardly seem like the first offer that comes up. And I really don’t understand the loyalty argument. In my opinion, Queiroz is the best assistant coach around and I hope we can get back soon. Hopefully he has learned his lessons and is wiser after those experiences.
Fze123 – I didn’t say they would want to leave, but that they might feel undermined. Really can’t see a role for him, other than SAF right hand man, don’t think he’d be interested in any other role.
off topic but on anderson.. as david stowell pointed out, he jumped over a fench.. which should mean his injury is not too bad… GOOD news no wait EXCELLENT NEWS!!.. we definetly need him this season! hopefully shows his class asap
denton davey
I concur : )
off topic but on anderson.. as david stowell pointed out, he jumped over a fench.. which should mean his injury is not too bad… GOOD news no wait EXCELLENT NEWS!!.. we definetly need him this season! hopefully shows his class asap
Be careful reds 814 posts is the record let’s not get funny about this subject – CQ left us a long time ago – - again – so be cool : )
whiteside85
Robbo has amazing ideas and vision but
@portugueseprincess Agree, FPF has been a shambles. But then, not to many organizations have much to crow about lately. Too political, that is all that can be said. Gave CQ almost no support from day one. Probably won’t support anyone as needed. Always going to be very tough when all your best players are playing in other leagues as well. Irish and Welsh fans might recognize this point as well.
@willierednut Don’t know about Phelan’s fault, imagine you are taking the piss there and noting that the injury crisis was to blame. But I feel the record against Phelan -includes- the incredible rash of injuries. He is the first team coach, and if the training or the physios aren’t up to scratch, he needs to say that is my job to sort out. Don’t know that he is to be faulted completely, but feel that the guy just takes up space. Probably grossly unfair, but there it is. Phelan is a good pal, but CQ is a recognized tactician and well recognized as a mentor to lads like CR7, Nani, probably others. Also, CQ got opportunities at the virus and at for his country. That means he has credentials that Phelan will never have. Timeing and opportunities conspired against him at both jobs. I believe that he had virtually no support at either club or country in either post. So his failures are only partially his own. Just being fair, I believe.
Think we could do better than CQ? Possibly. Think we could do better than Phelen? Most surely!
Remember Phelan slumped in his chair during the Champions League final defeat to Barcelona? Completely devoid of ideas. A beaten man after an hour.
Only the season before and United drew at the Camp Nou and beat Barca at home. Thanks to Queiroz as much as anyone else. Would welcome him back. Here’s how important a good number 2 is – Argentina probably would won the World Cup even with Maradona IF he didn’t appoint dinosaurs as his assistants, dinosaurs who knew nothing of how they game has evolved. As people have stated, Queiroz is arguably the best no. 2 around.
arijc – My point still stands, he’s left twice, because United wasn’t enough for him, don’t want him back simple as that. You really don’t understand the loyalty argument, it’s pretty clear to me mate. I’d rather have someone like Phelan, who you know will stay at United and not leave when another job offer comes up. Yes, it was Madrid and his country, the latter really annoyed me, i think he blew his chance of succeeding SAF, when he left that time.
@willie
I have to concur, if Mile Phelan had an exotic sounding name he would be more respected by fans & media alike. I would like to see Carlos return but not if it results in Phelan being undermined
@Fze123 Agree. Rene and Phelan shouldn’t be going anywhere. They have immense value to the club. We are ONLY talking about the number 2 chair, and the need for a strong team in the complete sense of the word. The complete management team has been missing strong tactical support. It is a great team mind, but we are talking about appropriate improvements here.
FletchTHEMAN – So, now he’s getting the blame for our injury crisis, if people don’t like the guy, just admit it, but don’t make up shit about him ffs. Listen lads, CQ is a top coach, but i just think, like MG said, that we’ve moved on, but if he does come back, I’ll support the guy.
Mike Phelans real name is
Mikalandro Phelandito Italian Stallion in essence : )
That’s that then: he is now acceptable !
Wait so Phelan caused our injury crisis?
Was/is he working for Chelsea by any chance : )
willierednut – try and think of it from his point of view. i doubt that there are any coaches who go into coaching without aspiring to be the number 1. as far as i see it, he got the opportunities for both club and national team management and he went for them. didn’t work out, but it doesn’t take away from what he brings to the team in terms of his tactical acumen and coaching methods. i would like to clarify that i would never want to see him succeed fergie.
as for loyalty, it definitely counts for something at united. but if there is someone available who is better than the incumbent, then the choice is really simple. ability should always count more than the perceived longevity of that persons availability.
arijc – Fair enough mate, well probably arguing over nothing any way, he mightn’t even be offered a role at United.
Wait Noel Callagher made the city movie?
Whats next the Glazer’s opening up a bank?
Fucking retardTM
willierednut – true. no use spending much time on a hypothetical.
@williered, You lot have hit the nail on the head. We have only to change Mike Phelan’s name and he will become a formidable number 2, even overnight!. It should give him stature and maybe even some spine. Hopefully a sense of humor and some worldly knowledge. So go on, let’s change it!
There was an interesting model for this suggested by some bloggers:
You take your middle initial and insert it somewhere into your first name. Then you add on the smallest foreign town you’ve ever visited. So, we have our basic material, Michael Christopher Phelan. Take the c, drop the Phelan and we have McIke “El Red” de Carmona. The last from the site of Parador outside of Seville where he has gone to scout Luis Fabiano and others.
Scott: We can have a competition! ReNaming Mikey Phelan! Or as the Americans say, ReBranding
Must be a T-shirt we can give away, or something?
@MG Sorry mate, yours is good too!
@arijc You actually think we do any thing on this site that isn’t “hypothetical”? ha ha ha ha ha ha, ooo, that is a good one
How about Mickey Mourinho?
Mickey Lopez?
Michaelangelo Miguel Dos Santos Olivera Phelinho
is Mike Phelan : )
Fergie will have already fiqured this all out. Lets face it. Carlos’s days have been numbered for quite a while now. I even wonder if the fact that he promoted Mike rather than bring in someone new might have anything to do with him expecting him to re-establish his team to what it was in 2008 at some time in the future. (Might he have even made this clear to Phelan?)
Clearly with the signing of Bebe he’s still on good terms with Queiroz. I wouldn’t be surprided to see him bnack in some capacity but one way or the other …Fergie knows already!
Never go back i think is true, to go back thrice seems totally unrealistic.
I do believe when you are applying for a post the prospective employer tends to look at your CV.
Within said CV ,tells with facts why he wont return to United.
I don’t know how you can blame him really. People want to advance at some point in their life, Carlos was presented with that opportunity and he took it . I feel sorry it did not work for him, but at least he gave his best.
On a slight tangent there’s some wild rumour he took one fir ronaldo who he knew would fail a drugs test and told the FIFA drug man to fuck off, hence the stupid drug test argument all kicked off. Very wild rumour and utter shite no doubt but still funny if ronaldo has caught the galacticos disease , ie partying and coke
As others already said, a great number 2 for Sir Alex, but a lousy number 1. Don’t think we will ever see him back at United though. It seems like his time has come and gone. Not sure I agree with Scott that he probably would have gotten Fergie’s job once he retired. At the time I remember hearing that CQ left because he wasn’t guaranteed that would happen..
In other news, I hope Ando is ok. Not expecting to see him this Saturday, but hopefully it’s not anything serious.
MG: Michaelangelo Phelinho, is the bomb. You are the man.
FletchTHEMAN
Humbly at your service : )
Some people undermining CQ’s loyality by saying that he jumped ship, when the first offer came in, and that Phelan would do the same. Well, give Mike Phelan the opportunity to take over Chelsea or England and make him decide. CQ got the two biggest jobs he could dream of, of course he would take those jobs. Bring him back allready.
thats why he’s Sir Alex’s number 2
Agree with Costas that CQ was never likely to be our No 1 and that leaving for RM and then Portugal made sense once he knew that.
None-the-less, Fergie clearly trusts his scouting and tactical ability and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him appointed to some role, at least pro tem, shortly.
Sir Alex loves him as a coach, he did a good job at untd . If he can help get him back
I d love to have CQ back.. But he is good as an Asst. Mike Phelan hasnt been great in Europe and Rene is not that experienced either.
CQ is the Man…Hope He returns for one last stint!
Oh well, hindsight is 20/20… he never should have left United in the first place and when he did I had my doubts that he’d do well as Portugal coach.
some people should just stay scouts….or the best they can do is to lead the young teams…not everyone has th MENTALITY to lead the big teams…he obvioulsy good in finding young players and developing them
Norway – Portugal 1-0 EASY! =D
denton and Willierednut – Spot on about Phelan lads. But no lets fuck him off eh so CQ can waltz straight back in. Unbelievable.
He was a sensation at United and I hope he comes back!!!
The portuguese fa has made a huge mistake…
Judging by the way Portugal played in the WC, i don’t think the Portugese fa have made a mistake.
I’d have CQ back. He is a very very very good number 2.
I always got the feeling he gave something for SAF to consider in terms of tactics.
Fergie Sign Him Up!
AlphaRS – That’s a lot of verys lol.
Do people honestly not think that Fergie just may know A BIT about tactics,
King Eric – Sir Alex is completely devoid of ideas, so he needs CQ back for that purpose. Seriously though, the fans that question Mickey Phelan’s credentials, are in the same breath questioning SAF judgement. I’m with you, he shouldn’t be allowed to just waltz back in at United, though i wouldn’t be surprised if he does come back.
The 2 jobs he’s “walked out” on us were the Real Madrid job and his national team job.
We’re all a bit blinkered, but come on. Surely you can understand him taking up these opportunities ffs.
It’s quite difficult to guage how good our assistant managers are and how much is down to Fergie. We don’t see what they do and really, with all of them has come major success.
Giggsy and Scholsey would be the people to ask how good they all are. Maybe they’re reading this lovely commentry from armchair pundits who actually, know fuck all
Wrong decision to leave Utd Carlos. When you leave us there is only one way to go and that’s down the drain,no matter who you are. It will be a very good signing IF he returns at O.T.
I was laughing at France but then here comes the FPF from the back of the pack to take the lead. The clowns at the top should be fired not Carlos
If he kisses SAF on the backside, then he can come back.
I hope he comes back to United.
RENE MEULENSTEEN ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
hope his eyes didn’t cheat on him when he spotted this £7m thing for us!