1. Just like we never win at Stamford Bridge, it’s become routine that United don’t play well at Anfield. Yes, we get a result here and there but our performances have been poor for years. Today was probably the worst display there for some time though, with our players lacking the passion, desire and ability to get anything out of the game.
2. If we are going to play badly generally, the last thing we need to do is give goals away. Whilst Suarez showed great skill in setting up Dirk Kuyt, one of players should have just put him and the ball in the stands. Letting him dance around them like that was embarrassing. The second goal was just suicide. Maybe we’ll get to hear what the fuck Nani was thinking about one day. That desperate for another assist to his name? The third goal was another gift, as the wall jumped out of the way, Edwin Van der Sar failed to collect the freekick and none of our players reacted quickly enough to the rebound. Shocking.
3. That’s two games in less than a week where United should have played against ten men. Jamie Carragher’s assault on Nani should have been punished with a red card and a lengthy ban. For Phil Dowd just to show a yellow, the same punishment for kicking the ball away, was a disgrace. The ref lost control of the game. Rafael and Maxi both went on to make challenges worthy of a red card after, with Suarez also yanking Rafael by his hair, that but of course couldn’t be sent off once Carragher, who made no attempt for the ball, had been allowed to stay on. Will we be seeing replays of this for weeks on end, like we did with Rooney vs McCarthy? Will every Tom, Dick and Harry have their say? Course not. EuroSport is claiming that the cut is to the bone and if this is the case, we’ll be without Nani for some time. To counter that, Antonio Valencia travelled with the squad today but missed out on a place on the subs bench. He must be back soon.
4. Well done Chicharito. Managed to save some face by scoring a goal which could keep us above Arsenal on goal difference if they win their game in hand. For the record, I don’t think Arsenal will beat Spurs at White Hart Lane.
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Dogleash was disgusting in his post match, ignoring the challenge
cut to the bone?
I hope carragher gets a thick black dick up his scousers ass.
United get ALL the decisions though Scott, haven’t you listened to the media all week!!!!
You took your time Scott, couldn’t blame ya. Agree with everything you said. I don’t mind losing, It’s away we lost, that’s annoying me. Nani out is a blow, but at least Valencia is close to a return. Though, I don’t expect much from him. The lad will need games, to get up to speed. Fergie not speaking to the media is one thing, but I’d like to hear from the players, when we don’t turn up for the big games.
can’t help but think if Vida was playing today it would of been a different story
Suarez would of been snapped for the first goal
he’d of cleared nani’s header to dirt kunt
and instead of claiming offside like wes did he’d of been there blocking the third goal.
Anyway its gone now, lets just hope le Arse-holes drop points.
Still BELIEVE we will be Champs!
Horrific.
Absolutely horrific.
Wait for the outrage from the media, Scott… the silence will be DEAFENING.
Costas said it
I said nah Costas
But Costas said it
We were unlucky on Tuesday and yes were rubbish today but the ref again was horrendous
But they never do anything wrong do they?
It was so funny watching Gerrard and co hound Nani
Gerrard 0 titles – Nani 2
Ouch
for the second goal if you watch Nani, he was trying to flick the header away but ballsed it up badly
Feel a bit guilty myself as didnt believe Nani was hurt after his dramatic fall over. Maybe Carragher would have walked if he had stayed down. As said, its the performance that depresses, not the result.
Was it just me or was Wazza laughing when he saw Nani crying?
Talk about sticking up for your team mates!
Has anybody read the comments on eurosports re the injury, phucking disgusting the hatred out there.
Ryan90MUFC @ 21:00: “can’t help but think if Vida was playing today it would of been a different story
”
Actually, it would have been better to have Robbo and Keane-o – even at their advanced ages – as opposed to Scholes and MichaelCarrick.
The midfield “problem” is very real – and others have sussed it out, too. SAF needs to show that he iiis still the master-of-the-universe and do something to stem to ebbing tide. I’ve already stated my preference would be to see WayneRooney deployed alongside Fletcherinho and ahead of MichaelCarrick so that Chicharito could be used to stretch the defence and DimitarBerbatov could display his silky skills centrally and forward, too.
It’s a desperate measure but after watching the last game and the last half of the previous one – it’s also a desperate time.
Point 4 is spot on Scott.
I thought there was no blame at all on the Ref today Utd just didn’t perform. If any of our defence had challenged Saurez he’d have gone to ground, maybe the Chelscum farce pen made their minds up not to challenge him.
Carragher should have seen red just like last season but so should Gary Neville at WBA. We have to take these 2 defeats on the chin and bounce back like Utd can. Le Arse won’t be around in 3-4 weeks, their run in was the easiest last season and look what happened. We have the points on the board already and had the breathing space before these two defeats. Bring it on Goons.
Dalglish comments absolute disgrace. Also note how BBC reports that United had already decided a media balckout pre-game and Sky reports it as if we’ve thrown our toys out the pram. Any surprise why we’ve done that now? The thing that makes me sick is that carraghers challenge won’t be discussed whatsoever and neither will maxi-pad rodriguez. All I’ve heard from people is how lucky Rafael was lucky to be on the pitch. As far as I’m concerned if Maxi-pad hadn’t made that challenge Rafael would still have the ball and have no reason to go in 2 footed on whoever it was due to the loss of momentum. Still doesn’t hide how poor we were today but we’ve seen Vidic sent off in these games for a lot less and carragher gets away with murder every time he plays at analfield. Fucking joke. I hope Fergie doesn’t pick a weak team for the FA Cup game. We need to pick the club and supporters up after this week.
denton davey – Good to see you back. Not being funny though, Stevie Wonder could see our midfield is suspect mate. Big summer coming up for United.
Vidic’s absence proved that he is our best player – by a country mile. Terrible match to watch and stomach today, and I hate to admit, but the better team won.
The lack of authority imposed by our two center midfielders emphasized the problems we already knew. Not one player played well (http://www.theunitedreligion.com/2011/03/red-ratings-liverpool.html), but you win and lose as club.
Ferguson cannot do this alone, and his coaching staff, or lack there of, needs to be held accountable for our failings. Their job is to find weaknesses and provide solutions to make Sir Alex’s job easier, but Mick and Rene, who are both stand up guys, are making his life more difficult.
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Was at Anfield for this one. It wasnt nice, lemme tell ya. I was actually convinced Nani’s injury wasnt that serious, but I can only wish it wasnt now.
At least we can almost guarantee we will be playing to win games now our advantage has gone.No room for complacency thank Christ.
It would be interesting to use Rooney in the Sheringham position
Teddy was equally a brilliant goal scorer as he was composer of the game…
I don’t know Football manager speaking again
I’m sure Sir Alex will make it right
@gerkeo … you’re right. and i don’t think anyone here seriously believes he meant it to go where it did. but still, his intention was to head it upfield — but still toward the middle.
I dunno, we seem to be obsessed recently with passing/clearing the ball into the middle, and often actually into our own box. Sure, VDS is great with his feet, but one day we are going to get caught out with this approach, and not only will that cost us, we will look like total numpties too. You watch, a backpass will go astray, or the ball will bobble just as VDS is about to kick it, or the opposition will lay a trap that one of their speed guys will spring … and it’s something even schoolboys know not to do.
I don’t even understand the point: we are supposed to be a team that plays wide, and we are set up to play wide (even to the extent of frequently sacrificing our top-scorer so that we can play 3 in the middle while still maintaining our width), and yet we seem all too eager to pass or clear the ball through our penalty box. If they are no people out wide who are open, why not, when we are supposed to be set up for width? And if they are, why isn’t the ball going to them, at least more often than it does?
It seemed clear to me that today, Nani intent was to head the ball away and he fucked up, but still, the direction his head moved indicated that he was attempting to clear it toward the middle. And he couldn’t possibly have expected to get much power/range on it, and he had his back to the middle, so he probably had only a vague idea of who was there. So even if he had succeeded, it was a questionable thing to do.
Fergie is a great sorry amazing manager but shit technician……. Were watching crap football it’s time for change
Maybe G Neville was a bit hasty… possibly the experience needed at the back today.
Still a long way to go…. As we all know…. they never do it the easy way!!!!
20moscow08
Close the lights on the way out
Thanks
MG – It’s be great to see Rooney, period. Where is thou?
Fuckin murdering scum I fuckin hate them
@denton … I’m not quite following you, though: “my preference would be to see WayneRooney deployed alongside Fletcherinho and ahead of MichaelCarrick so that Chicharito could be used to stretch the defence and DimitarBerbatov could display his silky skills centrally and forward, too.” So you would have just one wide player?
To gift one goal is bad enough, but three in the same game is crazy.
Lack of desire and passion in a match against one of our biggest rivals is beyond comprehension!
We also desperately need a leader on the pitch, who could, like Keano all those years ago, pull the strings when the going gets tough.
The fact that we still need to rely heavily on Scholes and Giggs, speaks for itself!
Performance wise, particularly away from home, this is our worst season for a long long time, yet somehow we are leading the table.
We can only hope that after this we will finally wake up and get our season going again!!!!
Point 1 is accurate. We’ve had our fair share of wins over there, but the last dominant performance there imo was in 2005 with Rooney’s winner. Playing 4-5-1 I should add…Unfortuately, we’ve made a habit of not winning at quite a few grounds in recent seasons. Anfield, St Andrews, Craven Cottage, Goodison, Villa Park and of course the Bridge.
@MG
Exactly. Fuck that. Rafa 1 Gerrard 0.
Wayne Rooney
In the Great Wayne Rooney caper
Where is our Wayne? Only Wayne will know
Oh and I hope that the cut hasn’t reached the bone. My hope is that it’s a Possebon injury.
we will win the title, simple as. seriosuly, not arrogant, just better. Le Arse still have to face us, spurs + loserpool. they wont win the title, we will. only thing i want though, is for our players to try and up their game. And seriously, support the players, no point getting on their backs. SAF has given quite a few people contract extensions, so he obviously believes they can do a job. so lets believe him, yeah ? and as for people continuously laying in to the team selection, your never fuckin happy are ya ? when we play JOS, its, oh why not play Rafael, hes amazing. when we DO play him, oh, thats a mistake. when we play 451, like a couple of months ago, it was, oh, why so defensive. when we play 442, its also a problem. JUST SO FUCKIN ANNOYIN! believe in SAF, beleive in the TEAM! as for ROoney, i fuckin hated him for what he did earlier in the season, and actually thought SAF would sell him in jan cos of Berbs good form. but honestly, Rooney and CArrick were our best players today. lay off them. slandering them aint gnna help. SUPPROT
sorry bout that . . .
Let’s put things in context here. The performance was poor, yes, but we had two clearances off the line and a ball striking the woodwork. Liverpool scored with their first two shots on target, which both came from gross errors on our part. Rather than a tactical/formation failure, I’d be looking at our defensive organisation and individual errors instead. Had we had the rub of the green before their 1st, I believe the story of the game would have been quite different.
The media portray it as Liverpool being brilliant, but that’s just journalists doing their job. I don’t want to insult anyone, but I’ve never met a profession in which you are expected to know very little about a varied number of things. The post hoc, ergo propter hoc logical reasoning they engage in seems to be the only way they know how to analyse football matches. Liverpool won 3-1 in a derby and weren’t terrible, therefore, they must have been a lot better than United. I would sympathise with the idea that we didn’t have the balls for it once we went 3-0 down, but not that we were inferior to Liverpool.
As for the refereeing, words fail me. As usual, the spin ALL the media are putting on it (in a desperate bid to look “impartial”) is that Carragher’s challenge was bad (hard to deny it without sounding like a right twat – though the comments on Nani’s sissiness are apparently fair game despite the fact he may have broken his shin) but Rafael was only slightly less lucky to have been kept on the pitch. No word whatsoever on the cowardly challenge by Maxi Rodriguez, which almost saw him plant his studs firmly on Rafael’s thigh. I can’t defend Rafael’s challenge, but as much as I try to be impartial, I cannot see it being a sending off. To argue for it while ignoring Maxi’s challenge, is, to me, the epitome of the ABU status quo which I think trickles down all the way to the refs on the pitch, leading them to make systematically biased decisions because they don’t want to look like pandering to United.
Sorry about the rant, but I think the media response to what happened at the end of that first half is even more disgusting than after the Chelsea game – despite Ray Wilkins’ protestations that both Carragher and Maxi should have been off for cowardly bullying, which obviously went completely ignored.
Scott your analysis is on the money as usual. Disappointing as it was and it was awful stuff we have to put the game in context. No Rio, no Vidic is always a recipe for trouble. Thanks to the Gooners fuck up yesterday we will likely be top when they catch up their game in hand. Need to pray we get some form going soon for the run in. We need to respond to this like we did the 4 1 defeat to the dippers a couple of years ago. Interesting for them today was their cup final thats how irrelevant to the big stage they have become. Fuck them.
The reason that we dont play so well at the dippers is that they have developed a small club mentality. The same mentality that we encounter when we go to places like West Ham, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Fulham. We are their biggest game of the season, they eagerly look for the date when the fixture list comes out, they wait for it, they live for it – and when the day arrives they play like their lives depend on it. It is their cup final – and as Fergie says, it makes every game we play a cup final.
But of course it takes two to tango, if we gift teams goals then it obviously only makes things harder. There wont be any easy games for us in the run in for this very reason. Meanwhile the Arse will probably get some easy 5-0′s, 6-0′s just as Chewsea did in the run-in last season.
Here here
When beating United is your cup final then you have become the equal to Wolves lol
Not that I have nothing against Wolves since they are my home team and did beat my team
How about playing berba a bit deeper to create something because all fucking carrick is doing is passing it sideways or fucking back.There has to be a clearout in the summer surely.bebe obertan owen carrick fuck the lot of them off..Get cleverly back and sign 2 cm players .I.have said it all season we have no pace in this team Now lets see what the yank bastards are made of because if we have the NO VALUE EXCUSE we know we have no money then the shit will hit the fan
Hi everyone, am gutted by the fact that we got beaten & could potentially lose Nani for a long time. the ref was ok, i just don’t get what SAF is trying to achieve by suddenly being adventurous & reckless with 4:4:2 at no less a place as Chelsea & Liverpool where we all know we do not have a good record. on top of that we also played shit.
shouldnt nani be wearing shinpads?
StateSideAussie @ 21:35 : “So you would have just one wide player?”
Ideally, no; but, let’s deal with the reality before us which is that Valencia has been out for five months and might not return to full strength this season AND now it seems that Nani is going to be out for a while, too.
Also, there’s an expression in North American sports which I am sure you know – “the team with the best player is the one which wins the trade”. Similarly, in regards to this UTD team, getting the best players on the ptich and figuring out how best to make the optimum use of their talents is going to be a key to how TheLads perform down the stretch. I’m convinced that somehow – some how ! – SAF has to figure out how he can make the optimum use (NOT necessarily the maximum use) of Chicharito, DimitarBerbatov and WayneRooney. It’s pretty clear that WayneRooney’s greatest strength is that he is a flexible and adaptable player whereas Chicharito is clearly best in that fox-in-the-box role and DimitarBerbatov is best when he’s both central AND forward so it seems to me that WayneRooney is going to be the one who is asked to make sacrifices to his personal game in the interest of helping the overall team effort.
In an ideal scenario – with the chance to pick a fully-fit Valencia and a fully-fit Nani – the solution might be somewhat different but right now SAF has to play with the cards he’s been dealt. I suppose that if width is considered paramount then, pehaps, he might even consider giving young Ravel Morrison (or Fabio) a chance but that would be a double long-shot because of his “discipline issues” and perhaps even his on-field immaturity.
For sure, I’m not convinced that going back to the Giggs/Scholes well is likely to be much better than it was today. Scholes looked simply past it – all ginger/no ninja; Giggs was able to make a right-footed cross to Chicharito but, otherwise, he also looked like a spectator in terms of influencing the flow of the game.
Still and all, as I wrote before, it’s becoming desperate times and that calls for desperate measures.
Blomqvist’s left toe @ 21:47 : “Sorry about the rant, ”
Without a place to have a good rant, what’s the point of ROM ?
Despite that, I disagree with your first paragraph – sure, UTD “gifted” those three goals but, in the final analysis, most goals are “gifted”. The issue for me was organization/formation and NOT personnel. UTD were over-run in midfield and really didn’t over-run LiverPoo because neither Scholes nor Carrick did any running, let alone over-running.
CJ7 @ 21:48: ” today was their cup final ”
Well, yeah. They wereknocked out of the FAcup and didn’t qualify for the CL cup !
I agree totally Arsenal “Will” not beat the Spuds at White Hart lane.
Cmon United.
Pritch the red.
I agree with everything you say, however I also believe that as loyal fans of this club we deserve a little more respect from the management. Who the hell are they to impose a media blackout – are we not entitled to hear some feedback on this spineless performance, or is it all down to bad referreeing again? I was fortunate enough to witness the Best, Law and Charlton era, and seen what Sir Matt did for this great club.
Can you imagine Sir Matt behaving like a petulant child as Fergie so often does? I think not. Fergie often says we’ve got the best suporters in the world – well treat us with some respect and not like bloody idiots – if there’s no money, then say so instead of all this ridiculous “no value” crap we’re constantly told. We need a bit of honesty now.
I do not accept for one minute that is the reason we are not buying world class players. When I saw the bench today I shuddered, and new if we were in trouble, there wasn’t much hope of rescue from the individuals on that bench.
I hope that Fergie isn’t brown-nosing the Glazers as he doesn’t need to – he can make as big a stand as we the supporters can – so let’s go and buy some proven quality this summer, or tell us exactly how it is – after all we only turn up week after week showing our support and paying our money!
WHY on earth United are ALWAYS goin through a spell of poor form in late Feb / March EVERY fuckin season??? WHY???
It has taken the last couple of weeks to remind me just how much the average football fan intensely dislikes our great club! I had deluded myself that perhaps a club steeped in tradition, that wants to nurture young players over importing mercenaries, that stands by it’s own through good and bad, would be a symbol of pride and respect.
To be honest, everyone wants to be liked, even if just a little. I take defeat. Sometimes it takes longer to get over but I don’t let it affect my everyday life. However, what I can’t abide is the pure vitriol that has been aimed at our great club recently. Gutter opportunists are laughing at us, they are denegrating our great manager, to the point where any view he has, no matter how justified, is scotched with a response suitable for a 5-year old in the playground.
Carragher assaults a fellow pro. I don’t necessarily want a witch hunt against him. However, what I do want is an equally intense analysis of it akin to what Rooney received. It wont happen though. Do we get angry? Or do we carry on like we always have and reply in the best possible way and win trophies?
I don’t go overboard when we win or when we lose. But rest assured…if and when the 19th title is sealed, every Utd fan in the land should bombard the media that on the whole seeks to destroy us, and gloat like we have never gloated before. Let’s win it…then revel in it!
Just watching MOTD2. Not surprising there wasn’t the inquest into Carraghers challenge as there was Rooneys. ABUism at its finest. I don’t know about anyone else, but I feel really under attack as a United fan, all the hatred coming from all angles. It’s time we stepped up and got this title charge going again.
I wonder who’ll announce our summer signings?
Re: Point 3. Nothing will be said about Carraghers crude challenge on Nani, because as far as all the ABUs are concerned, ‘what goes round comes round’. Fucking cunts. We will bounce back from these disappointments. Vida will be back for the next game and hopefully Valencia too.
@ andy ffs the team was banged up and it was the 5th game in 15 days, 4 away games in a row and now we’re back to sir alex being a liar and a brown noser, if sir alex says he has money he has money.jesus i’m so sick of this fucking nonsense.any team but utd the tough schedule and injuries would be enough to give them a pass.i saw best,charlton and law aswell so what, when you saw the bench today you shuddered,you’re just a fucking idiot mate
shebangsthedrums – the hatred for United has become more intense as they know we are close to title number 19. For so long these bastards have been in awe of Liverpool, considering them to be the benchmark, a problem that will long exist while so many ex-scouse bastards are employed within the media circles.
Don’t expect BBC to go easy on Fergie. We know what the deal is there/ And now he has all the press against him for protecting himself and the club. If one thing is for certain, is that he is still as passionate as ever.
@ Brooka well said mate, and spot on with your views of of our great club.
We fight on against every one and everything, its jealousy.I have said this time and time again, on many forums and web sites.I defend my club.
The game against Arsenal in the FA cup is huge for United, keep our fingers crossed, Barcelona , do what they do at the Camp Nou, confidence wrecker, and for us to nail , them, next.
I hate what, is happening to “our” club, but we fight on.Dont we?
Goodnite, Reds on here.
I have a wee “bitch” fight going on with some Liverpool supporters.I cant say who will win.
andy
The management are the management that deserve the right to do what the fuck they want when they want and however they want
Especially when the vile the shit and the disgusting is thrown at the club from every single angle and then is not applied to every one else.
Also you are talking about a different time when Sir Matt had the club
Today we live in a digital technologically advanced world that has the power to change for the better or for the worse
When it is applied for the worse to one member of the footballing community and then to no one else – that one member under the due leadership of SAF can apply whatever rules to protect the club from harms way
Either you get that or you don’t.
Javier Hernandez is pure class if not world class already.
Chris Smalling will become world class
Bebe needs his time Obertan may or may not become class let alone world class but they have time
Everyone gets time thats what Sir Matt gave to United
Go figure
According to the Guardian, Gill had a heated exchange with refs chief Mike Riley.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/mar/06/alex-ferguson-media-blackout-manchester-united
Wayne.
So sorry for being “a fucking idiot” as you so eloquently put it. Also sorry for having an opinion – if you don’t happen to agree with it that’s fine, that’s your right, but I happen to think that we, as fans are being treated shabbily.
I’m not disputing we’ve played a lot of games – when you’re chasing 3 trophies that comes with the territory and you have to accept that – I personally don’t think we’ve improved as a team this year, in fact I believe the quality of football is worse than last year and the fact that we’re in the position we are actually flatters us. I want us to win everything as much as everyone does, but we can all see that we have brought in the necessary quality (apart from Hernandez) to really improve the team. Whether that’s down to Fergie’s stubbornness or lack of funds is the question that I’d like answering.
Agree with a lot of what has been said, although here are my observations. 1. Why didn’t we start with Fletch – Carrick was woeful today and hardly justifies his contract renewal and the belief that SAF has in his ability. 2. Starting with Giggs and Scholes – our two veteran stalwarts weren’t as effective as we’d have liked today and tired as the game progressed. 3. Phil Dowd. Ineffective and not an enforcer of the laws of the game. Increasingly and alarmingly, refs bottle the big decisions in big games in front of a home crowd. Their inadequacies have massive consequences. As is typical, we won’t hear credible answers to the poor decisions. Leading me nicely on to number 4… 4. Carragher. Dirty. Rotten. Cunt. How you can be at that age, that professional with a comfortable lead moments before half time and throw yourself in recklessly beggars belief. what do you think of that Blatter. Think we have grounds to appeal that?! 5. Nani. Why oh why run 10 yards back in to clear a ball that Rafael is running clear onto. Epic failure on his part and he’ll be feeling it. Still, it was an innocent mistake that regrettably gifted the dippers a sweet, unmissable opportunity. 6. Tactical bullshit. What happened to ‘having a go’? Everytime we got close to goal, just outside of the box, we just pussy-footed around and ended up losing the ball anyway. Carrick.. Scholes.. Rooney all had chances to just ping one at goal. Everyone just seemed the bottle it. Reina had an easy day at the office. 3 very wasteful free kicks from good positions too – all squandered.
I’m just ranting, probably even talking bollocks, but I feel aggrieved. The only courage came from Rafael and Smalling today. That is saddening. Let’s get our spirit and mental focus back so we can get our 19th title hopes back on course. COYR. Believe.
@ wayne
there you go calling someone a “fucking idiot” because the person looked at our bench and shuddered. well you know what? go fuck yourself, lowlife bastard.
people come here to give reasonable opinion and you feel the need to personally insult them. who the fuck are you? the thought police? go eat shit and die.
i’m a passionate united fan, and like Andy, i also think we are slowly paying the cost for having a midfield rooster full of players who 7 years ago wouldn’t make it out of the reserves squad. Gibson, Bebe, and Obertan sum it up. and an ineffective midfielder with bad form like Carrick should not be getting a new contract, period.
this squad needs major work in the summer.
Brooka. Great post. We will bounce back. Its what we do. Like a wounded animal.
A reporter said earlier he was outside the united dressing room and it was deathly silent. Not a murmur. There will be an inquest into todays performance.
Just watched the post match reaction to MOTD2. Surprise surprise the Carragher challenge got as much coverage as the Rafael challenge and the Maxi challenge on Rafael didn’t even get a mention.
You know what, fuck this moaning about pundits and referees. I’m beginning to sound like some sort of Liverpool Arsenal hybrid. We’re still top of the league, lord knows how but we are. Let’s put the league aside for the week, put the ARSEnal out of the cup then get three points against Bolton with a victory over Marseille in the middle. Considering our home form I think this is a not too unrealistic possibility. Old Trafford will feel like a nice warm blanket after this past week.
Fergie you are the greatest but please please buy us some CENTRAL midfielders in the summer cause if you don’t I feel the rest of the league will not be so generous next season and we may even be facing the possibility of finishing outside the top four. I watched the League Cup final last weekend and I asked myself the question, is the Birmingham pairing of Ferguson and Bowyer that much worse than let’s say Carrick and Fletcher? I did not like the answer.
Fletch had a cold, but was ok for the bench. Gibson is hated by many, but we could’ve started him and went 451. Too fucking late now.
I’m watching stir crazy, to cheer myself up. Oh shit!
It’s us vs the World. One of my mates sent me a message on facebook (he supports Spurs) saying that he doesn’t get the United hatred. Even the Taliban are more popular than United. After this last week its hard to disagree.
@ willie
451 really? with our 2 best strikers berbatov and chicharito on the bench while rooney starts?
you know that hasn’t worked very well for us when the boss tried it this season, right? and certainly not vs liverpool because they play an open attacking game.
as long as we have the combination of carrick and gibson in midfield, it’s as good as almost nobody because they become easily reduced to passengers. we really need park to come back!
Brooka, brilliantly put mate. I find it disgusting that supporters of other clubs seem to have no shame in winning unfairly/gloating when a team they dislike is hard done by. I felt bad for Arsenal fans against Sunderland, I think poor referees cheat the truth of the game far too often without any professional repercussions (not to be confused with personal repercussions, no one should be bullied because they happen to have a particularly visible job) and it is sad to see fans of other clubs, by and large, have no interest in fairness whatsoever.
denton davey: I have to disagree there. I think we’ve been much better whenever we played 4-4-2 this season. Evidently this usually implies a lot more pressure on the back four, but whenever Vida+Smalling/Rio played, I don’t really see a lot of chances being created against us. Today was atypical precisely because there were some poor decisions by specific players on the pitch, the formation led to more chances being created than not, but if people had done their job, it would not have been a problem. Now, the midfield problem is something I agree has to be solved. Scholes has been playing the ‘Pirlo’ role for quite a while now and it seems evident to me that he cannot do it as effectively without two shuttlers on either side of him. Meireles’ and Suarez’s runs raised so much havoc precisely because they were never properly picked up, but, in general, I don’t think the 4-4-2 is a suicidal tactic so long as players stick to their jobs and keep their concentration levels high.
ScholesForGoals: home bias is pretty much the only kind of bias in refereeing for which there is some, if not overwhelming, statistical evidence, across a variety os sports too. Why nothing has been done about this is mind boggling, but then if we’re expecting FIFA to do something about that… I think we all know what the chances of that happening are.
A final word on how the media have so far reacted to the Nani incident: disgusting. I’d be curious to know what they’ll say tomorrow once the news comes out that he is actually pretty seriously injured. A case of the blackout already starting to influence the media reaction to the match’s events?
ANALYSIS | Abismal Actions At Anfield Detract Dour Display
http://www.theunitedreligion.com/2011/03/abismal-actions-at-anfield-detract-dour.html
RuudVanTheMan
No matter what everyone has their point of view and everyone has a right to say what they want
Bebe Obertan Gibson Evans cannot be involved in today’s discussion
They didn’t play
Next if they are here they are so because the gaffer and the management think they are initially good enough – so until their is such a time that they are about to leave why persist in fucking telling your own players to fuck off when your manager says otherwise?
As for Carrick getting another contract – to be debated as always – he has lost his way and has had his moments but is he as shit as you are claiming him to be?
You say to wayne you are a United fan and you say to him that he should not have addressed andy as “fucking idiot” – Yet you say something worse in fact sickening to him – Manchester United fans are not the be all and the end all on matters of death yet I quote to you;
“go eat shit and die”
See the hypocrisy?
I too have answered andy and guess what I will answer you in the same way
I you andy wayne or anyone else are not in charge of the team and thank God for that – because the ones that are are hurting more than me you andy wayne and any other United fan out there.
Their is nothing serious to from a fellow Red if he wants his fellow red to die over a lost match – that’s all what happened – we just lost a match and nothing else
So fuck off and find yourself a hole of humility.
Blackout or no blackout Blomqvist’s left toe. The media was always going to turn a blind eye to Nanis injury, purely because he got back up. Media are supposed to report news. However when it comes to United its shit stirring. Thats it. It wouldn’t surprise me if these referee decisions are being made for corporate reasons. e.g To take the league down to the wire. Good on David Gill having a go at Riley. He gets major unfair criticism on here for doing his job.
@rudd maybe you should re read my comment instead of taking one sentence fuckhead,who the fuck do you expect to be on the bench when half the team is injured you dumb cunt and just what does everyone expect from the team when they’ve been playing a game every three days with a ltd squad.
why even call sir alex a liar and brown noser what has that got to do with today’s game and we all know there will be summer signings,right now these lads are all we’ve got alot are tired or injured and are doing their best so i found most of what andy had to say judgemental without much thought and disrespectful to sir alex and the players.so you eat shit and die and mind your own fucking business
If we lose to liverpool, im normally fuming, either angry at the liverpool players for some reason or at the officials but today im angry at our own display, no passion, no quality just looked completely dis-interested.
we didnt deserve to win at all, we didnt even deserve to score a goal, well done to Hernandez for that though.
Really feel for Nani, at the time I had no idea how bad it actually was, i went to the match so couldnt see it properly then, got told he was crying and thought what a mard bastard, but fuck me thats a bad one. Hope the lads alright. Carragher is a little cunt and hopefully karma comes and gets him.
Our away form has been terrible this season and i did fear this would happen, hopefully we can learn from these two matches and atleast beat Arsenal away which will heal the wounds a little.
UNITED TOP OF THE LEAGUE UNITED UNITED TOP OF THE LEAGUE!
Easy lads we’re all on the same team…..
Yeah, I find it bizarre how they highlight the fact that he got up immediately as a reason for his injury not being that bad. Either they’ve never been hurt on the pitch or they’re disgusting, classless cunts. I’m guessing the latter. One thing that is starting to grate is how match reports are crammed full of opinion when they are supposed to be an impartial synthesis of events. By all means, give out your opinion, however biased (as we do here), in an article written specifically for that purpose. But to let it seep into the reporting of the events of the match to the point is something I find unpalatable, particularly because they are read as ‘news’ rather than ‘opinion’ and so ridiculous shit like Rafael’s tackle being similar to Carragher’s assault is easily propagated without being properly filtered by the news/opinion article distinction.
As the focus will surely be on how we “blew it” yet again, let’s hope next week’s performance will see the team regain a modicum of composure and display the famed fighting spirit (with no scouse nonsense like raking your studs on a fellow professional’s shin or elbowing an opposition player) United so often typify. Nani will likely not take part, but I was impressed by Fletcher on the right (not in an attacking sense, but Rafael can be used as a natural foil for Fletcher’s more conservative play out wide) and as long as we can use someone who can really stretch play on the left, I’m confident we can get back to winning ways against a Bolton side in really indifferent form.
I was so disappointed with Carrick today. He’s got no heart, confidence, desire or commitment. I don’t care what you role on the pitch is, anyone else see Smalling desperate to get in the action? I hate to rant against our players and I’ll stop right here before really having a go at him but please, SAF, get rid of this marginally-above-avg player. As Fletcher and Neville have shown us, with desire and commitment you can overcome lesser skills. A simple ‘decent range of passing’ doesn’t cut it here. No heart? Never ever ever will cut it here.
Credit to the very average scousers today, they took advantage of a exceptionally poor Manchester side (albiet in tatters due to suspension/injury). Carra only added insult to injury. What a fucking day…
Stay strong Reds! No matter your thoughts on the Glazers, performances like that will send tremors up their business model; they’ll make some money available to SAF. I hope we reinforce correctly — there are millions of players who would give anything to play just one game for United. Let’s hope we can find at least a couple worthy.
http://www.manutd24.com/united-players/picture-luis-nani%E2%80%99s-injury-vs-liverpool-a-more-realistic-representation/
Oh, I’m sure if Evans would’ve started this game, he’d of caught some shit on here. Gibbo as well for that matter.
No wayne
You weren’t supposed to tell him to die
That’s not what we are about on here
Come on people do not talk about death regarding United
“As the plane lay broken in pieces in the winter of Munich and the fire raged Harry Cregg got out and then went back to save Bobby Charlton, Jackie Blanchflower and Dennis Viollet. He also helped Vera Lukic, the pregnant wife of a Yugoslav diplomat and her daughter, Vesna, as well as Sir Matt.”
Harry Cregg never recovered. He never won a medal for Manchester United yet he was considered and still is to be one of the finest goalkeepers that graced OT.
Come on we only lost a match – we lost three points – we lost nothing else and everyone is in tact.
I urge you to restrain yourselves. We are all ambassadors for Manchester United – this is not how we do things.
Who do we turn to now, in times like these? When we need a leader who can carry the team, who?
Berbatov? Twice he headed straight to Meireles.
Rooney? Anonymous against Liverpool.
Giggs and Scholes? Giggs maybe doesnt play his old age, but he certainly took those corners and freekicks like he is too young to understand the importance. Scholes is past his prime.He cannot carry the team on his own anymore. He is a big help, but not on his own anymore.
Our captain, Vidic? Well, he was the first one to lose his mental and got himself sent off against chelsea, effectively chickening himself out from leading us against Liverpool. I dont think there was ever a time i was more embarrassed with my captain than what Vidic did last week.
Just remember what our past captains did.
Roy Keane battled on, inspired our team to the final despite knowing he is banned for the final.
Solskjaer? You cry at the mention of his name when you remember what he did for us. That professional foul against Newcastle, and the countless of times he won the game for us from the bench.
Cantona?
I dont ask for the crazy skills of Ronnie, Beckham’s consistent and deadly freekicks because that has never been our fundamental.
We need strong characters. Characters who embody Sir Alex’s desire to win on the pitch. Chicharito and VDS are the closest to that right now, in my opinion.
MG … well said.
MyCowlsTheBest-
Giggs and Scholes may not be at their peak, but they are not past it by any stretch. As for Vidic, I’m not embarrassed by him, I’m embarrassed by you.
@MG
sorry mate. this is not a question of hypocrisy, i called Wayne out because Andy made a comment and he just verbally assaulted the guy for no reason. i agree i did not need to get into the gutter with him, but i’ve seen him do this time & time again. call people f**ing idiots when they simply express an opinion he doesn’t agree with.
i apologize for defending Andy with such aggressive language.
“eat shit and die” does not literally mean i’m calling for death. it’s just a way of telling an ignorant person to bugger off.
@ Wayne
wayne says: ” dumb cunt ” “why even call sir alex a liar and brown noser what has that got to do with today’s game and we all know there will be summer signings,right now these lads are all we’ve got alot are tired or injured and are doing their best so i found most of what andy had to say judgemental without much thought and disrespectful to sir alex and the players”
so it is now your duty to defend sir alex and the players from “disrespectful” comments? and i’m now the dumb cunt? you embarrass yourself and show just how low your IQ is, mate. like i said, the fact that you’re a lowlife or an unintelligent person doesnt mean you can take away people’s rights to express their opinion on this website.
So what if Andy was disrespectful to the players? And he wasn’t. he simply pointed out that this squad is simply not good enough – whether or not we win the league. Do you even have any education? money in your bank account? a girlfriend? why always so angry and defensive?
We desperately need someone who is dangerous on free kicks…
I say have a rant, but don’t go over board, like calling for the manager to go. Everyones entitled to their opinions, but don’t slam the players, that aren’t even on the pitch. Get it out of your system!
@MG sorry mate got mad don’t get what half the fans expect,they shit on young kids without giving them a chance and call sir alex a liar and brown noser just because he hasn’t got caught up in the transfer madness created by city and real.then to go after the bench when the team has a ton of injuries.the players aren’t fucking robots,i’m sure costas mentioned both chelsea and liverpool had a week off leading up to playing us yet everyone demands so much and it becomes a crisis while most of it can be put down to the circumstances.
Ruud.
Cheers mate – glad you understood what I meant.
Some people eh!!
StatesideAussie
This all started as a wrong decision given by the ref against Wigan
Tuesday was a nightmare for all the wrong reasons after playing well and today was a nightmare for the worst reasons after playing not so well
And now we have each other at our throats – SAF is doing what he wants to do whether we like or not or for that matter anyone else likes it or not.
Only time will tell if he has done the right thing – but one thing is for sure the players seriously let him down after everything that he did for them on Tuesday
It’s sad to be here more so because it doesn’t help when we start at each other for no reason other than a lost match.
Losing twice league game in a row seems like a regular thing now.
I find the recurring themes on the comments on this site a little boring to be honest. We knew before a ball was kicked this season that our midfield was not our best ever, and that was before it got chewed up by injuries. So for people to say, at this stage in the game, that we are dropping points because of our midfield is a bit like a couple of guys bobbing around in the water after the sinking of the Titanic talking about how it was probably a mistake to hit that iceberg.
Except that we’re not two guys bobbing around after having hit an iceberg. We’re a football team on top of the league. Yes, Arsenal might match us, but should we fear them? Seriously? I don’t think so. We must aim to win every single one of our remaining fixtures, that much is a given, but will Arsenal be able to win all their games too? I look at United and Arsenal about to enter the final leg of this campaign and even now, with us neck and neck, I fancy our chances. Arsenal are not the relentlessly efficient match-winning machine that Chelsea were at their best, nor are they as hard to beat as they used to be in their prime. Any team can get something against Arsenal, and don’t forget this is an Arsenal team that is ragged with injuries.
We had a setback today. But we’re still in this thing. It is never easy for us to win at Anfield. It is never easy for anybody to win at Chelsea. Winning the league, no matter who you are, is never easy. People were sticking a fork in this title race weeks ago, but she’s nowhere near done yet.
SICK,SICK, SICK. Just glad I slept in
Media are twats. Refs are twats.
Turned the highligts off
Absoulety fuck all anywhere about the fracas – but what about some scouse twat pulling Rafaels hair. The other fucker who tried to do him before he did the scouse
Well scouse cunts and Russian Rent Boys – revenge is a dish best served cold.
United will survive this week – we just have to believe
UNITED194 – 2011
Lovin United – exactly how often so we lose two games in a row in the League mate? How regular does this happen? For fucks sake let’s all hang ourselves and slit our wrists…I may even set myself on fuckin fire at the same time
@ MyCow
well said mate.
regardless of today’s performance, looking at the last 2 seasons in general, there are holes that really need to be filled.
for the first time in years, we don’t have a free kick scorer.
we also don’t have a strong leader. vidic is a solid lad, but i’m talking about a midfield general who can run the ship, the way keano or robson did.
giggs and scholes are legends, but their goal/assist turnover shows that they’re at the twilight and SAF needs to accept it. when was the last time scholesy took a shot at goal? remember how he used to pound them in, even when used as a sub.
i am yet to see a quote that shows SAF acknowledging that the squad needs major work, and i’m almost sure he is either content with this crop of players, or he is being prevented from strengthening the squad (by the glazers or david gill)…. that we don’t know.
wayne
Like I said mate getting rid of players is fine and then saying Sir Matt did better is fine
But then not giving the time and space to these players that SAF is giving them the same time and space Sir Matt gave is then criminal.
I am not giving anyone a lecture here – in Harry Cregg I have shown you a United player that had his whole world in front of him and then Munich happened and then he couldn’t recover and then it was over.
Circumstances never gave him a chance yet he was a unsung hero at Munich. Some of his mates lay dying some had gone – other’s he saved and then so
This is a lesson to us all – none of us manage United the man that does knows best who’s in who’s out – we all have our good days as humans in our jobs and we all have our bad days. So do the very footballers we support
After lambasting Bebe Gibson Evans Carrick whoever – it achieves what then? If we want our team to win this title we have to stand behind them through everything thick and thin more so.
If they can hit the mark so be it if they can’t so be it – but seriously if you believe in the principles of Sir Matt Busby and Manchester United then you believe that you have to give these young players their chances and the time.
I’m out people – you either believe long enough to know that time has the answers or you just follow a dream where you believe that untold riches are the only way forward.
But in the end you either stand by the gaffer or you don’t – he’s never let us down.
@Rudd firstly find were i’ve i called anyone else a fucking idiot time and time again,secondly don’t ever remember your handle or passing comments so i’m guessing you come on here under a different name but your right mate got me figured out.low iq,no bank account,no job,i’m homeless and was lucky to find a laptop down a alley.i’m entitled to my opinions just like everyone else on here mate and if i want to defend sir alex and the players i will do,its seems you want to take my right to express myself so your post is a contradiction.
Anyone wondering why Fletcher wasn’t starting? I don’t know about you guys but I know when I saw Carrick and Scholes as the starting duo with Giggs next to them I knew we would struggle to find any control at all. Same as usual, no movement, at all, and we gave the acres of space on every attack, it was disgusting.
wayne that wasn’t directed to you – I know you get that
It’s been a tough day maybe we all need to walk away and come back when it’s all cooled down
Doing this isn’t on.
@Rai
That’s the first time it’s happened in 2 years, lol.
@Wayne, maybe Andy should’nt have said some of what He said but calling Him “a fucking idiot” started all these salvos flying here and there! United lost a derby and emotions are high. Lets take things easy. I personally see nothing wrong criticising Sir Alex sometimes(of course not calling Him a liar), Yes a great manager but He’s got His flaws too and anyone talking about them is not necessarily a traitor! While abusing Him personally is unacceptable, giving Him stick sometimes is not out of order, but Lets see what happens in the summer but I believe that there’ll be changes which might suprise Us all Akin to the summer of ’95 Let The Love Continue!
Ah, calling for new blood… Same old, but who? And it wont happen…
@ Costas
You’re wrong mate, it happens all the time. I’m sick of it god damn it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ruud
One point
It’s March fella – we are in the middle of a season well at the end of it now
If you have grievances then come back in the summer and tell us I told you so if we happen to do no business.
We lost a match so therefore talking about transfers isn’t March – it’s end of season
Again – as many other’s have pointed we knew where we were with the midfield when the season started
Hargreaves hasn’t recovered and looks as if he will not – we waited but luck has turned against us
Tony V has been injured for most of the season but we cannot replace him
Ji Has been injured since Feb so couldn’t replace him
Michael Owen has been injured and it looks like he will move on
Rio has been injured on off
Anderson injured on off
You cannot count for injuries – and you cannot replace first team players with new players
Just give that a thought
Gdnight Reds
For every bad day comes a good one
I’ll settle for that end of season at home against Blackpool
Some good comments, MG. Thanks for keeping us level-headed.
United we stand > Divided we fall. LU.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/james-lawton-its-a-scandal-that-carragher-will-get-away-with-his-assault-on-nani-2234282.html
@Dandivine7,you’re right mate andy i apologize
@Rai what’s wrong with me questioning Vidic? Vidic is one of the best centre backs in the world, but he is not one of our best captains. Dare to challenge that?
As for Giggs and Scholes, i just said they are past their best. Well, maybe not Giggs, because he is reinventing his game, so he is a different player now, and very much among the best at what he is doing now. I actually feel relieved whenever i see him starting. Scholes, well, he still is the best ball-mover in the world. But he is past his prime, and that is a fact. He used to be the best passer+the best goalscorer. But now he is just the best passer, not even a goal scorer anymore. That is why he is past his prime, even though he still is the best passer.
Like i said, i am not asking for big names, top stars etc. I just want a leader who lead push and pull us through a pinch.
weeping may endure for the night BUT JOY COMETH IN THE MORNING! @Wayne thanks and to Everyone, Goodnight And GOD BLESS YOU ALL. ONE UNITED!!!
@willie … i usually reckon James Lawton is a cunt but he seems genuine about this, and I can’t fault that. For those who don’t want to read the whole thing, here’s the gist of what he says about the “tackle” on Nani:
“Yet, if this important football match bears huge implications, especially for Arsenal … none of it was momentous enough to provide even a wisp of a smokescreen for the scandal that lay at its heart.
“At the end of a week of refereeing controversy it was that Jamie Carragher was merely given a yellow card for a tackle on Nani so sickening, so dangerous, that it rendered more farcical than ever the insistence of the football authorities that they cannot revisit extreme cases of negligence, irresponsibility or – let’s not fail to explore the full range of possibilities in this case – outright failure of nerve by a match official.
“Phil Dowd was close at hand, was surrounded by protesting United players and Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard – who appeared to be suggesting that his team-mate was not guilty of one of the worst fouls to disfigure any ground in recent memory – and then administered two yellow cards, one to Carragher, still protesting his innocence, and the other to Edwin van der Sar, incredulous that a tackle of such crude violence could elicit such a mild punishment.
“Sometimes you have to despair of the inability of football to police itself – and of those who watch it to separate their tribal instincts from the evidence of their own eyes.
“We had another example of this after an incident that followed hard on the Carragher tackle when Rafael, United’s young Brazilian full-back, was yellow-carded for a tackle on Lucas, a moment after the latter’s team-mate Maxi Rodriguez had come at him thigh-level.
“Rafael was inflamed, no doubt, and his tackle was reckless – but his feet were low, unlike Carragher’s, whose boot hit Nani’s standing leg shin-high – and Lucas was unscathed. However, this did not prevent Rafael being booed relentlessly through the rest of the match.
“Some will say Nani’s notoriety in the play-acting department worked against his outrage and that of his team-mates – especially when he got to his feet to join in the protests before falling again – but you didn’t have to be a drama critic to detect authenticity in his tears and his shock or, as United’s most threatening player, his departure on a stretcher. Sometimes there really is a wolf in the grounds and yesterday his name was Carragher.
This may offend some Merseyside sensitivities … but you had to be living on another planet not to be revolted by this piece of action. Nani wasn’t tackled – he was, in effect, assaulted – and we can re-run the film a thousands times without a softening of that verdict.”
@MyCowlsTheBest
Don’t you know? Criticising Giggs or Scholes no matter how bad they play isn’t allowed on this site according to 99% of the posters. I agree with you though, both were poor but it was the system as well. Its way too controversial to suggest that Giggs is actually wildly inconsistent but his good performances stick in the memory so it all gets washed over.
does anyone know why fletcher was starting? these are his games and I’d like to think he would have snapped suarez if he started…
MyCowlsthebest –
Scholes is ‘the best ball mover in the world’ but you’re still not happy with that?
As for Vidic, you said you were embarrassed by him? I still don’t understand what you were embarrassed about…
Maybe something to do with him and Scholes being legends. Listen, they both didn’t perform today, but I won’t slate those guys, after all they’ve done for this club. We’ve taken a sore one today. Never easy losing to the dippers and everyone is gutted about It. The manager has always talked about challenges, the lads have got one now. Lets see if we can respond. Good night.
I agree with many on this post that the hatred against United has intensified sharply recently. I feel as though the press are delighting in trying to stir up trouble and that fans of other clubs are being extremely vociferous in their hatred of us. Many said we got what we deserved against Chelsea because “of the decisions in the past”, yeah that makes sense doesn’t it, last time we heard that it was after the first world war for christs sake and what happened, Hitler got angry and took over Europe (not to say Fergie getting angry and taking over Europe would be a bad thing) it’s a completely illogical statement. I honestly feel sick looking at English football in this day and age. The fans are absurd, the prices are revolting, the quality has dipped ever so slightly although I still maintain it’s the best league in the world, and the worst perpetrator of this disgusting behaviour, the press. The press are clearly biased, the media is ABU, if they show United support they’re accused of favouring us. Long story short, no one wants us to win, no one wants us to be treated fairly and everyone wants us to suffer, simply because we support the greatest football club the world has ever seen. I do not know another club that, finances aside, could be used as a model football club but ours. History, tradition, morals, youth development, and that special trait of a winning mentality. You don’t get that anywhere else in england. So you know what? Fuck all of them, fuck the jealous bitter bastards who wish to see us die, we’ll never die, we’ll do what we want and we’ll take their hatred and shove it back at them when we have 19, we’ll use the hatred to be successful. We may have been spineless today, but this anti-United sentiment has really got the siege mentality going now. Us against them, and nobody does it like us. So let’s show them why we have a reputation as serial winners and why we are the biggest and best club in the world. We’ll never die!
Rai @ 23:51: “Giggs and Scholes may not be at their peak, but they are not past it by any stretch. ”
Rose-coloured glasses. Neither of these two guys are anywhere near as consistent as they used to be. Scholes has become immobile and can still ping the ball forty yards but what else ? Giggs seems to have lost his sheer exuberance – how many times did he elect to go ‘safe” rather than have a go at the defender in front of him ? From what I saw, SirRyanGiggs made one superlative right-footed cross but otherwise he was dreadfully mediocre (to be generous).
Gary Neville – former captain and life-long RedNev – knew when the game had passed him by. He said as much when he acknowledged that he felt like a shell of his former self against West Brom – guys he would have chewed up and spit out were getting the better of him. Now, the GingerNinja and SirRyanGiggs are just “putting in a shift” but they used to do so much more – these two guys are TrueLegends BUT time waits for no one.
My real point of disagreement I have with Rai’s comment is that he is depreciating both Scholes’ and Giggs’ legendary abilities by suggesting that what we are seeing nowadays is anything like what they used to be capable of. Giggs is still an incredible athlete who seems to me to be increasingly uncertain in his self-belief; Scholes’ game has narrowed and he has become something of a “flat track bully”, still capable of taking the mickey from journeymen opponents but no longer a “GingerNinja.
Both of them are still capable of occasional feats recalling their glory days but – let’s be honest here – the reliance on them is either an admission by SAF that he has no confidence in the youngsters or else it is a knd of cronyism that has seeped into the old footie knight’s management practice.
fuck the ref and media..
i just hope SAF will make a stop gap arrangement in midfield by playing rooney in there with berb and chicha upfront..
chicharito this season has 14 shots on target and he converted 10 of them..that is a massive conversion rate and hope we utilise him..
well gone is gone, lets start concentrating on Le Arse and marsielle game so that we can limit the game..
GGMU..BELE19VE
@Rai maybe because you dont know what Roy Keane, Robbo and Cantona for our cause?
Of course i am happy with Scholes being the best ball mover in the world. Did i say otherwise? Or you cannot understand my point. I said it pretty clearly. I am sad that we dont have a character who can lead our team on the pitch when we used to have that in abundance. A character. Someone with attitude, passion, spirit, determination. Not skills. I have no more question since you cannot even understand that point.
Guys I’m upset, but at least this presents itself an evidence how we need so badly for a new blood, particularly in the midfield section.
With that said though, I’m still excited that we will see Valencia and Park soon.
Those who have been cursing Park, now you see why we need him back soon. He may not be Messi, but he always gets the job done. The magical words here are Get The Job Done.
I’m also excited that we will see some Cleverly action next season. With some players coming up from the youth ranks such as Pogba and Morison.
The future looks doom and gloom but it will be clear out soon. Bring on Arsenal next week.
Sorry folks but I was on the International Space station until monday of this week.
Came down to earth started reading the sports papers listening to the unbiased and fair British media, TV and Radio.
One topic dominated all outlets – That being how Man United and Roonay had got away with Attempted murder on poor innocenty James McCarthy – may he rest in peace (did he survive?) AGAIN. United being the ONLY club to have EVER got away with this and how the FA bottled it. They could have done something about it as they had never let any other team or player get away with this kind of thing before were the ref dealt with it on the pitch – end of.
Now onto to Tuesday where it was perfectly fair and JUST that Chicharito Rooney and Nani got “sorted out” by LOOS and Ivanovic – As they deserved it because ROONEY had got away with it at wigan.
Smalling deservely got a soft penalty against him – As he deserved it because ROONEY had got away with it at wigan.
Vidic got sent off for 4 fouls- As he deserved it because ROONEY had got away with it at wigan.
That Chelsea won the game – As they deserved it because ROONEY had got away with it at wigan.
Nani deserved to get sorted out by Mr Liverpool- As he deserved it because ROONEY had got away with it at wigan.
And why the fuck should carragher be referred to the FA for that tackle – As ROONEY had got away with it at wigan.
Seems to me like United always get everything their way
Denton Davey –
I’m not depreciating Giggs or Scholes at all. Like I said, they are not at their peak but they are not ‘past it’. Because their standards are so high, when they play below par they’re still better than a lot of other Premiership players.
Like Willierednut said, I also refuse to slate these two players. Look at the fuckin loyalty they’ve given to us and our club, time for people like you to give some back to them
@Red Harry 4Life what were you doing there? why didnt you shoot Atkinson with your laser from ISS?
Anyway, i am gald that you are back safe and sound on earth, and didnt grow any tentacles or develop green skin with large bulging black eyes. Maybe Atkinson could have done better with those eyes.
I think i read the same thing too. Maybe we are living the same world where when we lose, the whole world celebrates. Or at least half of them. Because it’s either United, or ABU. LMAO.
Some even argued it wasnt David Looiz’ fault (was not a foul, because the ref said it wasnt) because if Rooney was sent off the week before, David Looiz wouldnt have met with the Shrek. They seem to forget , that David Luiz wasnt even in England (or on earth) when Chelsea chickened out from playing against us in the freezing winter. Some others forget that Steven Gerrard, who pushed Nani yesterday, also got away with a more obvious assault earlier this season. Maybe Scott can post the pictures side-by-side, or the video?
Oh and on new midfield talent – anyone see the Brazil V Uruguay Under 20 game. Stunning performance from a 18yrs old called LUCAS plays for Sao Paulo scored a hatrick and was the best player in the pitch including Neymar.
Player in the youth team I hope makes it and I could see him “sorting” Mr Liverpool out – Ryan Tunnicliffe but he will need to improve his passing
Red Harry4Life – Ryan Tunnicliffe is a fantastic talent, I hope he gets a chance in the first team next season.
Lets move on guys !! Fuck we lost..Fuck we ve got the world against us..fuck we ve not the rub of the green in big matches recently…and Fuck we dont have an Engine !!
This time of the year..is normaly like this..The Gaffer is brewing the environment and a seize mentality is going to take over our dressing room..US AGAINST THE WORLD !!
All the doubters..watch our boys go in the coming weeks!
GLORY GLORY MANCHESTER UNITED !!
@Denton … ” Now, the GingerNinja and SirRyanGiggs are just “putting in a shift” but they used to do so much more – these two guys are TrueLegends BUT time waits for no one.” Well, I think you’re talking about what lies at the heart of Scholes’s reluctance to sign a new contract — his own concerns about his ability to deliver value to the team. This is not a criticism of him. As you say, time waits for no-one. Trouble is, Time’s a funny bastard, unpredictable always. Young players can take forever to make progress, seems like they’re stuck in mud sometimes, and then one day, pop!, it all changes. And the same happens at the other end of a player’s career. One day he seems to be going along fine, and then, one day, suddenly, he isn’t. Like the old boxer who has one fight too many.
I do think we are at the point where, if Scholes is to make a telling contribution during a match, he needs “energy” players around him. Anderson, Fletcher, Park, guys like that. But not Giggs (that’s why I see Scholes and Giggs as an either/or proposition these days and was surprised to see them both start this match). And not Carrick, because that’s not his role these days.
Scholes had a good game for sure, spraying a lot of passes. BUT, no matter how good they looked, that kind of ‘quarterbacking’ required a certain type of team to work properly, midfielders need to push up and support play as well which our lot dont do. The plan seems to be give it to the wingers and see what happens. Personally I feel it is the detriment to the team, playing Fletcher instead of Scholes, would facilitate a different style of play. Scholes is great coming on later in the game when we NEED to push on because it forces the team to get out of its conservative shell, gives him more options and he is more effective. Playing him from the 60th minute onwards should work well, starting in a big game in a 442 next to Michael ‘I shall not move’ Carrick in hindsight was a bad idea.
@stateside Aussie i am afraid “energy” alone might not be enough. It will be ok in easy games but when the games are against the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool or City, it just might not be enough. When we are down, energy alone might not be enough.
@gazzor72
I knew it was bad before he went down. You could see the mark on his leg and having had a simerlar injury myself as junior I knew it wasn’t good.
Still have a scar on my thigh where an oppenent went in hard and high with his studs showing and then drag them down 3 inches. It hurt like hell initially but I was so annoyed that I quickly popped back up in anger, it wasn’t for another 20-30 seconds before the sheering pain hit and my left leg buckled and I fell to the ground. Was the worst pain I have felt, admittedly I haven’t had too many injuries (Broken little finger and tendanitis in my knee for about 6 months after a knee injury from a bad tackle on the play ground are about all I can remember)
I suspect with Nani it will be worse due to where it is, a thigh after all has a bit for flesh to take the injury where as Nani’s is much easier to get down to the bone which I believe makes it worse.
@NotoriousRedDevil
Souness surprised me on Sky. Unless I was drunk and misheard him he said Carrigher, Maxi and Suarez should have been off while he suggested that Rafael wasn’t that serious as Lucas had bottled it well before and just jumped for effect.. Not sure I agree with him on Rafael, but the challenge did come due to the Maxis red card worthy foul.
@Blomqvist’s left toe
I kind of agree, we weren’t great in the first half but weren’t as bad as is being made out. Scholes and Carrick weren’t a great pairing but the Injuries limited options, shame Fletcher was apparently ill hence why he couldn’t start as Carrick and Fletcher would have been a better option with scholes coming on later.
I would have expected us to play better in the second half but Giggs isn’t ideally as a winger these days, certainly not as your only one and with the rest of the first team ones being injured Nani’s injury screwed us over.
I do think going 442 when we had the CB’s we had was a little daft. a 451/433 with Giggs or Rooney in an AMC role would have been a better bet imho
@pritch the red
See in the first half Carrick was playing alot of forward balls, he was playing in a role that wasn’t the same as he had been being deployed in most of the season. The problem is Scholes can’t get around like he used to so is unable to get forward as often and Carrick has never been an advanced midfielder
@andy
No the media blackout is smart, it gets the press on United backs and if you read any old players autobiographies this is something that SAF likes to build team unity and determination.
He isn’t disrespecting the fans but using everything he can to get more out of each player.
“if there’s no money, then say so instead of all this ridiculous “no value” crap we’re constantly told. We need a bit of honesty now”
There ISN’T any value available to United for players he wants. Its not there isn’t money if the players right, in the summer we matched Barca’s bid for Villa for example. Everyone keeps bringing up a few players who were bought for ‘value’ as proof that SAF is telling lies but most of these weren’t available to us at those prices or didn’t want to join us. So unless you just want the club to waste money on average players at inflated prices like City are doing which would then leave us with no money if the right player came along and could potentially cause issues with the (As silly fees will come with silly wages which then sees current players having clauses activated or demanding new contracts)
And at the end of the day there is 136mill in the bank. If SAF wasn’t allowed to spend these the Glazers wouldn’t be leaving it in the clubs account. It makes no sense as its basically making no return sitting there (1%)
@ScholesForGoals
Fletcher had been ill. And I know its fasionable to blame Carrick but Scholes was the worst one of the pair. There are games, formations and partners who suit him these days and the combination was wrong for him today. Sadly with thye injuries and Fletcher not being fit to start there wasn’t many options. And he was the one often losing the player he was marking in the game.
@RuudVanTheMan
He has said in the last couple of windows that while he is happy with the squad that there are one or two players that he would like to bring in, and in reality its only really 1 or 2 players that do need brought in not the wholesale changes that some people seem to demand.
When we have a fully fit squad all the areas are fairly strong. ATM we just have too many injuries and then problems like Rooney who still doesn’t seem to be right mentally. We also have to be careful when it comes to youth players, look at Welbeck who wasn’t given the chances but is doing well on loan. We have a good crop of young players coming through and we don’t want to buy too many players and prevent them making it
@wakey .. good posts mate!
Cheer up lads. It’s not the end of the world.
The title is still there to be won. Arsenal have a couple of very difficult games that won’t give them too much confidence, especially after a Cup defeat at OT.
We all know that Fergie has problems with his MF, but come the summer that will be sorted out.
As for ‘Pool, they’ve had a good season. Irrespective of where they finish beating UTD once gives them a good season. Beating UTD twice and they think they’ve has a GREAT season. No doubt the scousers think they’ve got a team good enough to win the title next season and so no new players are needed. Dream on. The US owners will be convinced they don’t need to splash out any more money – Dalgleish will have to make do with what he’s got. – he’ll be found wanting well before Christmas.
StateSideAussie @ 2:04: “I do think we are at the point where, if Scholes is to make a telling contribution during a match, he needs “energy” players around him. Anderson, Fletcher, Park, guys like that. But not Giggs (that’s why I see Scholes and Giggs as an either/or proposition these days and was surprised to see them both start this match). And not Carrick, because that’s not his role these days.”
I am in absolute and total agreement with your point. I particularly like the “either/or proposition” although i would extend that element of the point by arguing that both of them – Giggs and Scholes – are also “either/or propositions” in regard to their game-by-game contributions. Some days the old magic is there; some days, it isn’t. Alas, the magic days are getting fewer and farther between for BOTH of them.
@Gerkeo
Yep. To be less harsh, he mis heade the ball, Nani. Was gonna head it away, but ended up all wrong.
I feel like going on a massive shootout on the FA. I can’t believe how in the world the bloody media STILL keeps harping on rooney’s elbow, and not giving any mention on the luiz and i betcha, nothing’s gonna be said on carra’s tackle. they’ll just say Nani is play acting, or the photo was photoshopped.
point 2 was so true. we’re too dependent on nani.
gerrard might assist arsenal’s goals just like he did at chelsea last yr
Yeah, Arsenal’s unlikely to beat Spurs at WHL. They lost to them at home, so being away isn’t looking very likely for a win. We’ll beat them this Saturday for the FA Cup, I’m sure of it.
What if same tackle was made by one of our players ?
What if a United player pulled Suarez hair like he did with Rafael,.
What you are expecting SAF to say in an interview?..
@lizbo.. If one of our players made that tackle, I’m sure that player would have seen red and maybe even a 4 match ban..
i am beginning to believe the players are being complacent..
with team this weak and still top of the table.
why is that every time we concede goals we play well?
meaning we start to show some urgency..
@willierednut the link you posted on the telegraph about carraghers tackle really showcases some classy pool fans. what do you expect I guess
btw, the more hate on United the more SAF, the team, fans all love it.
it’s going to make 19 that so much sweeter.
You know what, we used to have the best “squad” – we no longer do.Other than in defence we are very thin and it shows.
I think we are in trouble, we have been struggling this whole season, however as Chelsea and Liverpool in particular and less, Arsenal had troubles of their own we got away with it. Right now the new players Chelea, Liverpool bought have stengthened their teams.
Fortunately, its later in the season so our only “big” game left is Arsenal away, so we might just get away with the fact this has been the weakest squad for a long time. No real mid-field creativity, overreliance on two aging players and an overpaid forward in Rooney, look at players other teams have bought – Van der Vart, Suarez, Carol and you have to wonder what is going on at United. I wish SAF would just come clean about why we are not strengthening the squad – I mean bebe? Come on!
I am concerned we will fall behind if we do not stengthen; I really want United to win the league but I am not sure they can, Arsenal are playing better right now, even with key player injured. Why is SAF so pro Carrick and Fletch? Maybe we should all write him a longer letter…Dear SAF…
NBI Red Onion – Wtf?! Carroll? He cost 40 fucking millions! I’m glad that we haven’t spent on him. Our attack is alright, just like the defense, but if the midfield can’t deliver the nessecary passes even the best strikers look odd.
Why SAF is so pro Carrick and Fletcher? Fletcher is the only one right now who can break up attacks and is fit.
Ando is still out.
I’m not a huge fan of post 2008 carrick but i acknowledge his good performances. Yesterday wasnt one of them. People say he had a good game as he didnt do much wrong. He usually doesnt do much wrong because he usually doesnt do much. I’m not blaming him for the defeat as it was a collective effort, i just dont understand how some people on the other thread can say he had a good game.
@ wayne
You were under no obligation to apologise to andy, but you still went out of your and did. Good on you for doing so mate, that was class. Cheers.
@ Denton davey
Excellent posts.
horrible day….woke up dreaming it was 5-1!!! no joke…….nightmare.
After the first 20 minutes I thought we would walk it as we had so much of the ball……after that it just went fucking pear shaped.Dont want to pick out individuals but some of the team need dropped or be given a fucking rollicking and dropped.Some of the performances out there were shoicking!
Fuck it…..as long as we bag that title I dont care how we do it.Losing to Liverpool is bad but looking at the bigger picture it means fuck all!
When Rio recovers,i hope we play smalling in the defensive mid-field role instead of Carrick as he seems to have more drive or do you think it’s a coincidence that the chavs recent good play has to do with Mikel getting injured?
i somehow agree with geneside and NBI REd Union. we dont have a good squad. time ago, we had Ronaldo, Solskjaer, RVN and Beckham and now our best man is only Nani? hell’s what happened yesterday when we lost him.
Is it too old for this? -> Bet it’s Johnny Evans fault again for all 3 goals!
Morning lads. Strangely, it doesnt feel as bad as the day after the chelsea game, simply bcos I dont feel oh-so-robbed. Despite everything, they were the better team, they seemd to want it more, and you cant deny that. Agree mostly with what everybody says, just some additonal pts:
1. First it was a pity that Fletch wasnt available. Liverpool plays a harrying game in the midfield, and the only players we have in the roster to counter that are Park, Fletch and Ando. As luck would have been all were injured/unwell.
2. We can go on and on about Scholes and Carrick, but I suspect that some of the blame has to go to the tactics as well. It wasnt till the 60th minute or so that at least one of them ventured close to the rival box. Surely, that couldnt be simply becos they “aint got the engine”? There had to be some instruction to play it safe, IMO.
3. Forget the refs, I have a suspicion that teams are beginning to figure out that you can outmuscle the Utd. midfield. Unthinkable? But fact is that apart from Vida, we dont have a single hardman and you need one in the prem in the middle of the pitch. I can bet my bollox that with Keano around Carragher wouldnt have tried that shit. David Luiz would have shat his pants. Even some Wolves player came out with an interview before the Cheslea game saying that “the United boys dont like it intheir face”. Either Pugba/Tnunicliffe are ready for nest season, or we need a DMF, just as bad as we need an AMF. I’ve been arguing that since the beginning of the season, and as the season goes on I stand more and more convinced.
4. Chicharito is worth his weight in gold. Simple as. In my book, he needs to start as often as he is available. He offers a directness, a goal threat that none of the other strikers do.
5. Its squeaky bum time and Im not sure how good it looks for us. Huge injury list, SAF’s imminent touchline ban, and still every-fucking-thing to play for. While I do hope the Arseboys to bottle it at WHL, the critical factor will be how ell our returning player perform. Nani’s absence will be a huge factor. He has been our main creative force, our top playmaker this season, and with a threadbare CM, his contribution has been absolutely critical. I do hope Rooney or Fletch are not asked to play as wingers. I’d rather have Rafael/Valencia and Ji/Giggs operating on the wings.
Over to SAF and the lads, to deliver us this 19th!
@lovin united:
Yes, he was non existence tonight lol
All the goals were individual mistakes . we lost our expreciance centre back in the match however were are still on course . As the saying goes he who fight and run away must to fight another day
kenny Dalglish is an absolute disgrace of a man…what a fuckin scouse bastard..it has to be said!!!!
4-4-2 with Carrick and Scholes in midfield… well done, Fergie.
no value in the market, heh?
@geneside
I felt there was complacency too. Actually, complacency creeped into our ranks ever since we started pulling away from the pack in early 2011. And few noticed how the difference was evaporating after the SPurs and Wolves games. People talked about Ferguson’s siege mentality last week. Other than Rafael, Smalling, Brown and Edwin, I didn’t see many others fired up for this.
Now that the gap has disappeared, maybe the players will realize that they can’t afford to take it easy.
You know we could do with Wellbeck back, if he is fit he is a decent option. Also Macaeda. Bebe and Oberton should have gone on loan.
I still goggle my eyes when I remember Obertan earlier this season dribbling the ball out of the pitch all by himself with noone tackling him. Maybe SAF needs to get the blinkers off his racehorses and put them on the boy.
Anyway – lets look at the positives….right…
Scott – could you pls share a link of the Chicha goal? I missed it on tv…got up for a few minutes and came to the conclusion I shouldnt have watched the match at all, maybe Utd. would have scored more!
@Costas & geneisde: Which is actually strange, come to think of it. They were totally fired up against Chelsea! Dont tell me they were intimidated by Anfield?! Or does Vida make such a difference?
No matter what shortcomings there are for this current United team, every
supporter should rally round and get behind the team for the run in.
The hatred out there for all things United is just shocking, who
can blame Fergie for the media blackout, both Maxi’s and Carraghers
tackles were a disgrace, and you see Stevie M standing over Nani
screaming at him to get up !!!!
I stil have total confidence that we will win the league, and then SAF needs
to go to Malc and the boys, for big money, we need at least 1 new midfield player.
to compliement the current squad.
Just one final summing up of our scouse friends – yesterday reminded me of the 70′s/80′
United used to be ‘up’ for our games against the pool – it was our Cup final, how times
have changed, its now the Scouse cup final – what else have they got left ?
Good Morning Fellow Reds
And well said DAVE RED
It was their match of the season yet Bolton for us in the premiership is equally as important as Liverpool or for that matter any other team
No matter what you can’t get anything more than three points – and that really is the end of that – to assume anything else is foolish – Liverpool only won 3 points yesterday but apparently they probably won their 19th an 6th CL final in one
Congratulations if that was the case…
@Jeet
There was complacency at the Bridge too I feel. It’s true that we started on fire, but it was very alarming how the team backtraced soon after Rooney’s goal. As if they thought the job was done. Of course, tiredness plays a part too I feel. 4 away games in 11 days and we used only 15 outfield players for them. It had to take a toll particulary in midfield.
I would’t rule out Vida’s absence affecting the team. It’s not the same going to battle without him.
Let the rat munchers have their day, it was their cup final after all it’ll be even more sweeter when we get No 19. Saying that tho, we were worse than shit so cant complain about the score, what the fuck does Carrick bring to the team in these occasions, absolutley fuck all. Rafael proved why Fergie cant trust him in big games, time to get our act together quickly.
carragher aside which should have been a red United were a complete didgrace yesterday and have no one but to blame but oursoleves. I was at Anfield and we had the crowd silent and Liverpool looked really poor. As the game progressed it was just to evident that we had no shape, no desire, and no one grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck.
The biggest thing that pains me is not getting beat by them but the manner in which w just fell over and get beat by a very average side at best! We made Suarez look good when in realiity he made one good run!
giggs11gerrard0
Very fair points there mate
If as you say some players took the game by the scruff of the neck and didn’t feed them chance upon chance the obvious three chances that they scored from it would have been so different
It is true we should be upset with ourselves and I think we are – I think we know that deep down we didn’t turn up almost felt sorry for ourselves after Chelsea not getting stuck in especially for the first goal which was a game changer – the second was a bad mistake and the third I think we thought we were out of it.
That’s how it looked from watching it I wonder is that how it looked in the ground?
Gutted of course. It was hard to swallow. From the very beginning i felt they had the strategy to have a go at our defense straight from the start minding the pair of CB we had for the game. We handled the first pressure somehow and evened the game out. But then came that inexplicable Suarez magic coupled with our defense making sure he did what he did. Then came Nani’s howler that can be interpreted as him being unlucky and us conceding the second goal and us having little chance of getting something out of the game.
Fergie sticked to 4-4-2 till the end of the game knowing that little can be done.
2 defeats in a row but we are still in a good position to win the league and i consider that it is still our league to win or to lose. A win at the Emirates would be enough. Just have to dig deep and rediscover fate in our own abilities. Some issues like our midfield should surely be addressed during the upcoming summer.
Felt so sorry for Luis while he was in pan and had tears in his eyes. He isn’t my favorite player even though i consider him being our most important plater this season but seeing him in pain made me love him a good deal more because he is a United player. Get well soon Luis We need you.
Just come home from night shift.Cunts took piss out of me ALL NIGHT!!
Mate just sent me this for taking piss out of Wilshere crying last week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juFTOxswXwA
Gio –
We’ve gotta trust Fergie. Who the fuck are we to question the great man? Sure we can all have our opinions, but it’s frustrating when our own fans question his strategy. I agree about the midfield issue, but we don’t know the ins and outs behind his transfer decisions. I know we could have bought Van Der Vaart for £1 million more than what we paid for Bebe, we could have also missed out on Smalling though but we didn’t. Some decisions he’ll get right and some we just have to be patient and trust Fergie….which is what we should do with Bebe and Obertan.
A lot of us were moaning about Nani before the start of last season and 18 months on he’s become our most creative player. There isn’t any value on the transfer market (Bent, Carroll and the talked about value of Bale), and there’s no point discussing players that probably didn’t even want to come to us.
Yes it was Carrick and Scholes on midfield, but that’s partly due to Fletcher not been well, Anderson injured, Park injured meaning we couldn’t use Giggs through the middle, Valencia still not back, Hargreaves still fuckin injured, and Cleverly on loan!!!!! We were also missing Vida and Rio. Put all that into perspective. Plus it was out 5th game (including 4 away) in the past 16 days!
I think dwelling on the game is something unnecessary at this stage. Yes, the team should at themselves and think what went wrong. Fergie will do the necessary things and we will move on. The future is bright, the future is red. That’s the way.
Javier should start every game…
Yeah we made fun of Wilshere crying. But he wasn’t physically hurt was he? I never minded people making fun of Ronaldo crying after his disappointments with Portugal. But to make fun of someone crying because he was actually in pain? That’s pathetic. And the Arsenal fans are the worst of the lot here, because everytime a player of theirs gets seriously injured, they make a fuss about it. Imagine if that was Nasri yesterday.
Like everyone said, it just goes to show how hated our club still is. Not to mention what a threat Nani has become to other clubs.
@MG
The game probably looked as it did on TV really poor. Liverpool were not great by any stretch and we really missed an opportunty. The 1st good skill but terrible defending and then a miss hit shot. The 2nd was just a joke and was more like Sunday football defending. That said 2-0 down we started the 2nd half really positively and we one goal and I think we would have got a result as Liverpool offered nothing until that stupid free kick for thier 3rd.
Does anyone know how long Nani is out for?
Hard to take once again… don’t think we helped oursleves at all and lacked quality and confidence in the midfield to really push on in the game… when you go 2 goals down like that it was always going to be difficult.
Thought the back 4 weren’t as bad as some people think. Evra and Raph were fine and Smalling also put in a good shift again. Brown did a job at the back but he was thrown into a difficult fixture with no real form or games recently so was a big ask.
The first goal i blame Carrick for… as he could have made it to the ball first and at very least got a foot to the ball to block but instead bottled it…. Second goal was a gift/assist and not sure what happened there. 3rd Goal we simply didn’t react quick enough. From there it was always gonna be a big ask.
Overall though iv got to say Carrick for me was the weakest link. I’ve not rly bashed him before but he looked completely deviod of confidence and couldn’t make simple passes let alone defence cutting ones. Very shaky. Scholes and Giggs in particular were ineffective… and as much as I love them they should really be used sparingly and to finish off games not as our only hope…. its unfair on them. As such the strikers were just not supported or supplied to. The Nani incidient just comnpounded the problem as it might have been a different story had he stayed on and Carragher gone.
Long way still to go and twists and turns yet. Im hopeful we’ll still do it as i think we still the best of the top 4. One thing it does tell me is that we MUST re-inforce our midfield in the summer (and a keeper) the rest is sorted for me.
Oh i forgot to mention…. in hindsight i was particularly pissed off with vidic… a needless sending off from our captain who we really could have done with yesterday. He is a man mountain in games…. we need him!
Linvoy you can’t blame Vidic for what happened, it was hardly a yellow that Vidic recived, expecially after the brutal and cynical fouls showed bu Luiz. Atkinson was just waiting for the smallest foul to send him off.
On an other note lets see if the FA will bring up the disgracefull Carraher foul on Nani, the malicious studs down Rafaels leg by Maxi and the pulling of his hair by Suarez. Have a feeling the press and FA will kep very tight lipped about all three incidents. Cunts.
giggs11gerrard0
Thanks for that – it’s gone now I think we are clear what happened – for the most part we basically handed it to them – in this respect you don’t want individual errors to creep back into your game again especially when we are so close to the end
So the first thing is to get rid of those stupid mistakes which reappeared from nowhere and then three in a row in one match – that was just insane.
Secondly we cannot do anything about how the refs hand out their so called impartiality or justice in a match when it is pretty clear to see that things have gone wrong. But the less said about that the better – we have suffered but now no one can say it is not equal with the two times Neville should have been sent off and Rooney too because for those decisions that were not taken read Luiz Maxi and Carragher.
It’s evened itself out hasn’t it or are we to suffer again? No idea…
I believe what Sir Alex is doing is right namely blacking everyone out – this is to be seen though – wether this works – this is unprecedented by the way because I can’t remember the gaffer ever doing this to this extreme – hopefully because of the pedigree of the man he knows what he is doing – this is important because everyone naturally hates his will to win and everyone probably hates him for what he has done and is doing – we however – well me I’ll support my manager in any way I can if it means we come out all guns blazing and bring this title in – because that’s what it’s about and nothing else
This is all psychological – my brother quite correctly pointed out we should have been over and out against West Brom and Blackpool – so whatever has happened has happened and we have to move on under any circumstances.
I wish we were playing sooner than Saturday but maybe we need some days off to recover and regroup.
Isn’t it time, despite all the special pleading, that we face up to a fact – at present we have no midfield to compete with the more powerful sides. Giggs and Scholes are veterans and Carrick is never going to do the job. Fletcher is limited but effective but we lack real energy and drive – occasionally Anderson shows some but that’s it. Now here’s a suggestion – why not try the Fabios in midfield, they both have great skill, great engines, real determination and flair – full backs are utility players great midfields are precious – surely the Fab Two are worth a try – they could hardly be worse than yesterdays men.
@giggs11gerrard0
The away support was brilliant yesterday. Good job lads. Do you know if Red Nev was among you?
This is probably the most important season since we first won the premiership 92-93.Lets face it its the end of an era really apart from a handful of players who will remain.
If we win this one I dont care if we never win another championship for 10 years!
Just want this 19th then we can concentrate on winning more champions leagues!
jdgriffin
I respect what you are saying – Giggs and Scholes are getting older and naturally cannot dictate games like they used to but they can influence games
I find it harsh you say yesterdays men – I remember the guts and drive that Maldini had at what 38 or 39 was it when it had two brilliant games against us in the CL semi final in 07
Respect is where respect is due – the team lost to individual errors and yes I would agree that Carrick should have had Suarez taken care of – but then so should a number of other players – they all made it way too easy for him to get past them.
I don’t know about Raph and Fabio on the wings though I know that it has been tried with Fabio but not quite worked – we just need our wingers back and everything will equal itself out again
jespermoses
Sorry mate I’d never give up the league for a CL
I’d rather we have 10 years of titles than 10 CL – CL is a wonderful tournament but that’s what it is – it’s just a cup tournament not equal to the league
Plus I want United to lay the foundation down in the league – we have worked hard to get here in 20 years – that should never stop
I came here to find some retreat from all that happened in the past week but its sad to see that some of us are not so united.Guys these defeats are momentary.We are more use to winning than losing and above all we have SAF.He will guide us to the 19th.Lets think about tomorrow too many of us are worried about what happens in the summer.Summer isa long way away.What we need to do is get behind the team.We are ‘MANCHESTER UNITED’.BELIEVE…………..
There should be a rule.
- It is forbidden to start both Giggs and Scholes, only one of them should be allowed to start, not both.
- If we are without our 2 first team centre backs, then we should go for 451
I think there should be more…
@Love united
Its not our worry to select the team formation.SAF knows wht he does everytime.He is carrying our team for the past 25 years just look what he has won.So we have no right to suggest to him what formation we shoul dplay.
As it stands we are very well placed to finish the job.Lots of moans about our midfield yet what buggered our midfields shape is about to be corrected by Valencia’s return we will then have Raphael,Fletch and Tony almost impregnable down that right side and our out ball for the rest of the midfield unfortunate Nani will be out for a time up the left but Park will put in a decent shift and get back when required.All in All things look rosy provided they keep their eye on the big picture
@MG………I dont rate the champions league more than the league its just we’ve been waiting so long to overtake Liverpool in the championship stakes and when we do it THEN we can maybe look at winning a few more champions leagues so they cant rub our noses in the only thing theyve got left over us.
Just watching that game last night really stirred up some old hatred for those cunts again.thats all.
I know theye aren’t a threat anymore but getting humped off them really made me want this 19th title even more.
@Real red devil
Not questioning SAF mate. Respect him. But this is what was going on my mind and I need let it out and where better than ROM?
But it is common sense isn’t?
You are without your two first team centre backs and are againts Liverpool who always shows up againts us and the match is in Anfield. What would you do?
Do you be more defensive and try to control the game?
Or would go all attack?
And starting 2 of our aged legends againts them?
I dunno…
But there should be a rule of thumb on this type of situation…
We are entitled to our opinion don’t we?
Dear Nani,
Love and respect dude,I hope u recover soon. Appreciate that u have finally started to mature for about a whole year now, into the brilliant player Fergie had expected .
Without the picture above it wud have been difficult to know how bad it was.
Most of us were shocked but when we saw u stand up to show the referee we were relieved.
What then got us was u crying,it left a lot of questions. We were straining trying to catch a glimpse of yr leg . The pic above settles it.
Nani, u have come from a difficult background,so u wud have learned early,never show weakness in front of other men ,who are not yr brothers. I am sure u know what I mean. Having seen Alan Smith and recently Valencia and how they handled themselves,we admire and also wonder if we could handle it like them.
U are young ,u cried,u were in pain,understandable.
U will be reminded of this by players like carragher who find it difficult to handle u,and of course the opposition fans who will sing about how jamie made u cry.Referres wud find it difficult to judge and u cud find it frustrating. And will all that u must be thinking about yr header for the second goal.
U have a lot of growing up to do,learning to be a man,u will succeed,and the best way to do it is to be scoring a hattrick this weekend against arses.
And the most important is helping Manchester United to win the Premier League,Champions League and FA Cup this 2010/2011 season.
Get well soon.
@Dave Malaysia
I understand why nani would cry.
Imagine, before the match, the boss said that you are going to lead the team.
People expect things from you.
And when the match was on, you are already one nil down and made a terrible blunder that gifted the opposition with another goal. Making it harder for your team.
I think above all, he was disappointed at himself. And the injury made it harder for him, especially seeing that Carragher was about to get away with it.
Godspeed in your recovery Nani!
I love Nani but crying on the pitch was a bit embarrassing really,could you see Bryan Robson or King Eric doing that?
jespermoses
Come on fella others have cried too – if you are in pain and that much pain maybe when Nani got it after initially having an adrenaline rush he knew something was wrong
Not everyone is a Robson or a Keane
@jespermoses
Nani is still young. Much was expected of him during that match, especially after his blunder.
Oh fuck right off, when Gazza cries he is national fucking hero when Nani cries it’s embarrasing? Nani must have thought when seeing his injury that his season is over and with it United’s title challenge.
I was disgusted the way the liverpool players responded to Nani’s injury.
The way gerard actually pushed him away from the referee .
That why reputations are important in any field,like how Ronaldo struggled cos it look like he went down too easily. The replays showed sometimes he did ,sometimes he didint,he was that fast and defenders were hacking him. The media can build or destroy credibility.
The referee bottled it. The when maxi kicked Rafael the ref missed it.
Now when Rafael did that foul,the ref cud not send him off after jamie’s yellow card.
Now ROM , HOW MANY OF you noticed that the BBC homepage stopped showing the pic of Rafael being pulled and chocked by the liverpool players???
So what is the extent of his injury?
@Love united
We are mate but that dont change anything.Its the man who has to decide what’s best for the team as we fans we can moan about when somthing goes wrong and applaud him when most of the things go right.But does it change anything?.There is no assurance that he start a winning team or a winning formation on the next game just look at the stats we have not started a same team for consecutive matches for more than 100 matches.
@ Gorse hill : Dont know what the fuck ur on, I’m talking about Manutd. yes and how did it work out for gazza?
What you on Dave Malaysia? Was not even addressing you. Sick and tired of fellow United fans lambasting Nani, I have seen many players cry when stretched off knowing full well their season is over. As for Gaza like I said he was treated as a national hero.
@Gorse Hill: Read what i wrote,where did i lambast Nani? If u do find it let me know otherwise ,I assume we are on the same side upset with the weekend.
Gorse the idiots who lambast are very easy to see.
So lets move on.
Dave Malaysia like I said I was not addressing you. I actually agree with your comments.
@Gorse Hill: My apologies.
@Real red devil
Right mate, I know it won’t change anything. Like I said previously, I need to let it out and see if any of you think the same, which can spark a very interesting session. But alas, as you can see it failed miserably.
Nani’s injury looks very much like one I picked up a couple of years ago when I was pissed and messing around, fell off a low wall onto an electricity box, with my shin taking the punishment.
In all likelihood, it’s a gash that goes down to the bone (there’s hardly anything between skin and bone on your shin), and probably takes a little chip out of the bone as well. As I recall, I was still hobbling a week later, but there was no major structural damage, and maybe with a painkiller and plenty of padding Nani could turn up against Arsenal. What he does have to rely on, however, is the Arsenal players not targeting that shin, because when it takes a knock, it’s very painful.
For what it’s worth, I have the scar to this day, and don’t think it will ever go. I should imagine it’s the same for Nani.
Nice one, Carragher.
Where is Costas when you need him?
We need a distraction from football where is that list of ours…
The FA should be charged with a huge human rights vialation for forcing people to speak and banning them for speaking the truth theyre walking a very thin line and stomping on the freedom of speach
@kanchelkis: that the studs doing the damage.cut right in.Wonder if the media wud now demand carragher be banned?
@MG: look for the olive oil trail .
@siggsigg: the fa is immune to all that,they do what they want,only one of the few organizations that thrive on stupidity and protects that stupidity.
Question them at yr own peril.
Dave Malaysia
Right olive oil trail
The Press and the FA will not be questioning what happened to Nani yesterday
Everyone has drawn the lines – stand together – let’s do this.
Okay to lighten up the mood:
A couple of New Jersey hunters are out in the woods when one of them falls to the ground. He doesn’t seem to be breathing, his eyes are rolled back in his head. The other guy whips out his cell phone and calls the emergency services. He gasps to the operator: “My friend is dead! What can I do?”
The operator, in a calm soothing voice says: “Just take it easy. I can help. First, let’s make sure he’s dead.” There is a silence, then a shot is heard.
The guy’s voice comes back on the line. He says: “OK, now what?“
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Seriously, I lol’ed!
Fergie’s Furious Refusal Will Resurrect The Reds
http://www.theunitedreligion.com/2011/03/fergies-furious-refusal-will-resurrect.html
@Lovin United:
@MG : Tonight lets stand together as Blackpool fans!
@hammons: Fergie is pissed with all the loose talk,just get focussed on the job and yes its the seige mentality going on now.Besides im sure a lot of players got the hair dryer at full current.
guys, i know this is depressing but lets not ruminate endlessly on htis miserable loss
yes, we have a weak midfield – hopefully fergie will set this rite in the summer with some shrewd buys. the fiery scot hasnt lost his touch in the market yet
yes, the scousers will gloat for a while – let them, its their day in the sun. we can rub it in when we lift no 19
yes, the media will have a collective wankfest about how we are ‘crumbling’ – they have predicted our doom and gloom earlier as well and we came back stronger than ever.
but lets not forget, we are still top of hte league and despite our mounting injuries, our fate is still in our hands and its our title to throw away. points will be dropped by all teams between now and end of May. lets hope we drop the least.
lets take this on our chin and move on. as the dialogue from Rocky VI goes, “life aint about hard u can hit, its about how hard u can take a hit.”
yes, we got hit hard with back to back losses to our arch rivals, but we are UTD, we have Fergie to guide us through much darker days and like all else, this too shall pass.
In the crest we believe, in Fergie we trust. Its tough to be cheerful and optimistic at this time but we must look ahead. dwelling on our obvious weaknesses aint gonna help
Hammons
Just read your piece – brilliant
I so hope that what he is doing pays off – but it is the only way to counter everything that is going on
I see everyone at it – if he is gutless then they are pathetic – I also see this morning no one is making a huge roar over what Maxi did – what Carragher did – what Steven Gerrard did standing over Nani and hounding him – I am surprised that no one saw Gerrard act foolishly and in contempt to Nani and never got a talking too let alone a card and Van Der Sar got one – yeah right refs we get it – we really do now.
A friend of mine who supports Wolves had a conversation with me last week about refs – he argued that being human refs make these decisions and I told him that then you cannot argue if a decision is harshly made against you or not – to which he said to me that I am bitter – this was after the Chelsea game.
Low and behold the Wolves played a cracker yesterday and Stearman had a goal disallowed which should have been a penalty because the goalkeeper bought him down which would have resulted them in winning.
So you see I was right – the goal was a goal and if it wasn’t it was so clear that it was a penalty yet Wolves lost two points and that could have a drastic effect on what happens to them at the end.
All you want is fairness – when the refs are doing nothing that’s bad – when the press accept that negligence regarding United that is worse because they will never have it two fold.
Come on United we are with you – fuck it we go again.
noticed few people questioning the team selection and formation,really wasn’t alot of options for sir alex, fletch was ill and with all the injuries what else was sir alex going to do,he could have played gibson or maybe o’shea in midfield and in hindsight to protect,wes and smalling might of been the better decision but the squad is pretty banged up,
Dave Malaysia
All I need is my sand my tub my deck chair some Blackpool rock and fish and chips
Then I’ll be ready – though mind they have no Adams and Campbell because they have a one match ban the both f them.
Hello All, I can see emotions are still running high from yesterday and we can really do better than that.
We have been spoiled with unprecedented success since the Premiership was formed and SAF has done an exceptional job as United manager and hopefully will do for years to come. He has created team after team after team. Most recently the best team being 2008 where United played fantastic, creative, entertaining, and fluid counter attacking football with Tevez, Rooney, and Ronaldo. That was when we were really good. The water carriers in midfield were doing their job well and left the front three to score all the goals. What will happen against Marseille?
In my opinion, since Tevez and Ronaldo left United have not have not got the players to play this system anymore. This coupled with the water carriers in midfield not doing their job properly has led to United slowly declining. It’s a horrible thing to say but as United fans we have to accept that their are major problems in this United team.
Our Champions League results may be a good indicator. 2008 Winners. 2009 Finalists. 2010 Quarter Finalists. In 2008 or 2009 we could have easily said we were one of the top 3 teams in Europe. Whether we can say that now is debatable. As much a it pains me to say it I don’t think we are. Also our over reliance on the old guard. We have some good players in midfield who either don’t perform consistantly enough, or aren’t really good enough. But they are the best we have if you see what I mean. Nobody has come in and really started perfoming well.
SAF is doing a brilliant job with a squad that isn’t really as strong as we’ve come to expect recently.
It’s easy to blame the referee but we must remember United were already 2-0 down at that point. Yes Carragher should have been sent off but so should Gary Neville against West Brom. United were well beaten by a Liverpool team that took their chances.
At the moment Nani and Berbatov are the only creative players United have at the moment. If one of them gets injured then we have problems. Obertan isn’t doing it yet and neither is Bebe. Perhaps players for the future but what about here and now? Giggs will eventually retire and so will Scholes. Who replaces the irreplacable?
Should United play 4-4-2 against the top teams? Results would suggest we should not. United have been over run a few times in midfield against mid to lower table teams. Unless United bring some players in to midfield and perhaps a creative winger then with injuries United are always going to be in trouble. Remember when West Brom were playing through our midfield like they were Brazil?!
@Rollins thanks mate we had 7 or 8 regulars out and someone wants to give the bench a hard time and call sir alex a liar i lost it, dandivine made me see reason .the other guy rudd was just on here staring the shit,no sign of him till i’d made that comment his personel attack on me was way more vicious and had nothing to do with me calling someone a idiot.i could be wrong but i think he comes on here under a different name and has had a problem with me for sometime,i’m sure he’s done it before his only interest is to turn people against me.changing names to attack and lie about someone just makes him a coward and loser.
AlphaRS @ 12:11: “since Tevez and Ronaldo left United have not have not got the players to play this system anymore.”
Before you make this kind of statement, you really should check the league statistics to see which team has scored the most goals and also has the best goal difference.
The so-called problem with this particular UTD team is that SAF is reluctant to accommodate four top-quality attacking players – Nani, Chicharito, Berbatov and Rooney. To sit one of these guys is suicidal. As I wrote earlier, my “solution” to this dilemma would be to take advantage of WayneRooney’s versatility and flexibility and use him in an attacking-midfield role. To my way of thinking that would have two benefits – first, of course, it would provide more oomph to bringing the ball out of midfield, into attack (this is something that has been noticeably absent except of the rare occasions when Anderson has had his mojo working – as in the demolition of Blackburn); and, second, it would find a solution that was NOT Carrick/Scholes/Giggs which is not a very workable use of their waning talents. I find I am in agreement with those who think that playing these three guys together is a kind of subtraction-by-addition – any one of Carrick/Scholes/Giggs is a fine addition to a younger and/or more dynamic team BUT the three of them together just doesn’t give UTD the drive and firepower and mobility that’s required.
OK, so how would suck a revamped line-up look ? – more like a 4-4-1-1 than anything else: Chicharito providing us with a defence-stretching fox-in-the-box; DimitarBerbatov providing silky skills centrally AND forward; Nani providing two-footed firepower from either flank; and WayneRooney providing drive and energy in bringing-the-ball-out-of-defence-into-attack. Either one of Fletcherinho or Michael Carrick; plus one of Anderson or Giggs or ThreeLungPark or TonyValencia would be a way to round out a suitable complement to the attacking foursome I’ve deployed. In the best of all possible workds, I’d play MichaelCarrick in a sweeping role and Anderson on the left-side – and WayneRooney on the right side – ahead of MichaelCarrick. Of course, injuries and the need to rotate players – at least some of the time – make such best-laid plans damned-near fantasy but, still, there’s plenty of talent to make such an experiment work which would make the optimum use of the players who are available.
One side note – lamenting the departure of Ronaldo and Tevez is all well-and-good but, really, do you thnk that the individual talents of an “evolved” Nani, a rescusitated DimitarBerbatov, and the wonder-that-is-Chicharito are significantly inferior ? These three guys have scored lots of goals, the real issue is that two of them – Chicharito and DimitarBerbatov – have not been given full-time action so that they coudl have scored more. The desire to continually try to accommodate WayneRooney in the forward line – at the expense of Chicharito and DimitarBerbatov’s playing time – has not really made the optimum (not “optimum” not “maximum”) use of the combined talents of these players. Three into two doesn’t work.
@Costas
I didnt see him mate! Atmopshere was good until we were 2-0 down and its always hard to be really vocal when your so defalted by the manner of the defeat.
That aside it was great in the first half singing where’s your famous atmosphere as it was like a library until they scored!
@Gorse Hill Red… i know what you are saying…. the ref that night was just unbelievable…. but we all knew that and even though it was another weak decision to send Vida off… everyone could see it coming…
Vida lost his composure and he was lucky to get away with the one only 2mins before… like i said i agree it was a weak sending off but as Captain and best player on the park he really needed to keep his cool and think about the next game coming up and not risk getting a needless sending off. I play football and i know what its like when the red mist decends… but he’s United captain and pivitol and would have made a bid difference against the dippers… thats all.
He just compounded what was already a ridiculous game we were cheated out of… at the very least if you are gonna get send off… break the fuckers legs
@Rai
“I agree about the midfield issue, but we don’t know the ins and outs behind his transfer decisions. I know we could have bought Van Der Vaart for £1 million more than what we paid for Bebe, we could have also missed out on Smalling though but we didn’t”
We don’t actually know that though. Infact what we do know is that Real felt they could get 20mill for VdV and were asking that early on. It was the same with Snejder the season before, Inter bid 15mill for him and it was rejected as they thought they would come back with a better offer and other clubs would too. It didn’t happen so they were forced to go cap in hand to inter and offer them him for 3mill less.
VdV was simerlar it would seem, they asked for 20mill and no-one seemed to bite, not doubt because Real have a habit of taking potential stars and ruining most of them so its a risk then picking them up. They needed rid of him so at the last minute they went to a club who wasn’t deemed a risk to them but who had made an enquiry and offered them a cut price deal. There is no evidence to suggest he was offered at that price or anything near that price to any other clubs and especially not us
One thing to say: Carrick has to be sold.
Louis
Gold is spelt with a G.
smartalex … well said!
Strange that Chicharito´s goal against Liverpool was not posted!!
Red
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