1. For whatever reason, Craven Cottage has been a difficult place for United to get a result in recent years. Tonight we more than made up for that, thrashing Fulham 5-0 without even looking like we were trying hard. This was the form of the start of the season again, blowing the opposition out of the water without even having to get out of second gear. There was some lovely passing and great finishes to set everything up nicely for the festive period.
2. Ryan Giggs scored that all important league goal to continue his record as the only player to score in every Premier League season. It wasn’t his best, with a deflection taking it over the keeper, but his all round contribution was good and he got an assist for Nani’s goal.
3. It’s rare for a team to score five goals and for each one to be a different goalscorer. After picking up so many 1-0 wins this season and being wasteful in front of goal, it was refreshing to see our players put away their chances.
4. Another costly game in terms of injuries, with both Phil Jones and his replacement, Ashley Young, being taken off. Reports have suggested that Jones has fractured his cheekbone and will be out for six weeks (I’ll go for four, because it’s Jones) which is a massive loss for us, given how well he has played in the centre of our midfield. On the upside, Dimitar Berbatov returned to the team tonight and scored a lovely goal which hopefully will help his confidence.
5. Wayne Rooney has upped his game recently and it was great to see that rewarded with a top class goal. He rarely scores belters like that these days so I was really happy to see that go in.
6. Our away fans were in great voice tonight. Ironic chants of “justice for Evra”, mocking the supporters in Pity City for forever playing the victim, followed by Luis Suarez’s chant with his name replaced by “racist bastard” were the best of the night. “Giggs, Giggs is going to Amsterdam” also got a fair airing tonight too.
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Great goals, especially Wazza’s and Berba’s.
Hopefully the X-rays will give us a better update on Jones. 4-6 weeks out is a huge blow on the back of losing Vidic and Fletcher.
Agreed about the performance. Getting in the groove again .
Jones out for 6 weeks. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sad about Jones, we’re threadbare in the defense now. Crap.
Vidic, Fletcher and Jones. Our 3 most combative and battle hardened players and all 3 out long term!! We are very very unlucky this year. Let’s hope 2012 brings us more luck on the injury front.
Jones out for 6 weeks?! What source?They did say Hernandez was out for 6 weeks/2months and he came back quicket than first forcast.
this injury thing is worryin….but as long as we win lyk dis we are goin to do juuuust fine!! Cheers!!!
Nick Coppack: It’s unlikely we’ll hear anything official on Jones until Sir Alex’s Friday press conference. Assessed tomorrow.
6 weeks sounds too long to be honest.
6 weeks, how?
Scott, Well done. Videos and Quick Reactions. OUTSTANDING.
Key points:
Biggest home loss for Fulham in 24 years (Fulham can be a boggy team for us so this was a huge result).
Berbatov gets his 50th
Giggs scores in his 22nd consecutive season AND gets the 19,999th goal of the EPL.
Danny is rewarded for several tireless outings of outstanding effort.
United with 44th epl goals so far and 23 away points, only got 25 away points all last year.
Fergie has got to be pleased.
OFF TOPIC: Lads, I know it will be tough, but lets put LFC, their fans and player to one side.
We are bigger than them and that was made doubly clear with todays performances.
We should let them self destruct on their own.
Let’s bow our heads and pray for speedy recoveries!!
Bad news about yet another injury. Great performance from the lads though, lovely to see flowing attacking football again.
Its ok
I’ll make sure we sign extra players in football manager
Wait am I blurring the lines here?
They are unconfirmed reports guys. Love the pic by the way Scott. Berba is so cool (Damn, wish I could do those bloody smileys)
Wonder what the stiffs at MOTD will have to say about the performance tonight
It’s like the start of the season all over again but with added defensive qualities, lets not forget we have more than half a team injured. Now allow your minds to imagine the possibilities once the fallen return:)
i hope jones gets a mask and thats it
FletchTHEMAN
totally agree on the off topic thing
berba went to the barber with ando it seems
MG
Could you sign Brian Laudrup. When I used to play it he would always be my first signing and he was always awesome!!!
@utd4life to make a smiley just put a colon before the closed bracket mate
I’m just happy seeing a local lead lead the front lines. Really wanted this lad to do well and he’s proving to be a real gem. He handles -at least tries anyway. everything thrown at him, lofted ball,s through balls, balls passed into him- requiring him to improvise. its fantastic. Makes this very unpredictable for opponents. and i reckon Roo’s enjoying playing upfront with some one willing to go full blooded into a defender .Jones will be back much sooner, i’m sure of it
@rat1p Cheers mate.
We can start the committee to ban all talk of boorish neighbors
Well, until tomorrow anyway …..
*lad* . local lad
Jones is Batman anyway. All he ever lacked was the mask…
Gutted for Phil but can’t he wear one of those masks? Aint seen any of the game yet so can’t comment. Great result at a tricky ground. Fulhams heaviest home loss since 2006. One thing though. I am fucking sick to the buck teeth. Sorry back teeth, this suarez thing has got to me! Of fucking sky and every cunt making out we win because the opposition were shite yet city are barca juve and milan all rolled into one. Fuck off we aint going anywhere you cunts. Merson was fucking gutted. Crybaby cokehead. Quote of the night goes to Charlie Nicholas. “Barry coming off for Milner. Just shows the world class squad they have“ oh fuck off you posing cunt. How good would they be with the fucking injuries we have? Fuck all without Silva or Kunt they would be fucked. Are they having to play with ten injuries to key players. No. Are they having to seemlessly slot in a winger at full back. No. Fergie IS a fucking genius. That’s why he likes his lads to play all over. We will reel them in next two games when we are at home and they go away then play the vermin who always raise their game in the big matches. We are getting fuck all credit. We have been winning and winning since that drubbing yet no cunt is saying owt. How many clean sheets now? Spurs miss Bale. Yes just Bale and talksport say great result for spurs at home to sunderland without him. Oh fuck off. Try having ten injuries. Time we got the credit we deserve.
Gotta laugh at the dippers. Missed a pen.
Oh bore off. Folk calling mutv and still find summat to piss and moan about. Enjoy the fucking win.
Well done lads. Chuffed to bits for the Berbmeister. God quinton fortune is boring and talks shite. Only on there to chat the fucking women up.
UNITED.
Finally! A “quick reaction”. Oh I missed these! What a good night everybody
capped off with a Berbagasm!
Hope Jones gets well soon
I can’t keep up with this site – gave my post match thoughts on the last page!
I’ll just add really hope thats speculation regarding Jones, Scott? Him out for “weeks” would be a huge blow, which really says something about his contribution this year. Not sure if Alex had Jones in mind when Toure was available, but he is the smart money for our midfield without a doubt. RedNev rates Yaya as CIty’s best player and I’d agree, but Jones is more than capable of filling the same role Yaya’s brought to City. He sits back, passes like a dream, and has the insight to arrive late into the final third to link up play. Only 19 FFS, and at a Club like United he’ll just get better and better. I was blown away when Smalling arrived and played CH and RB like a pro (even after that Rent Boy Penalty) but the potential Jones has shown (albeit briefly) in our Midfield marks him out as a top attacking player for years to come. Its really not over-rating Jones to say that his attitude and performances warrant the praise he’s been getting. On a different note, depending on how stupid and cowardly the next Ingerlund manager is England should have a very very good squad at the next WC – expect Welbeck, Cleverley, Jones and Smalling to all be there along with Rooney and Young.
Never mind Old Trafford, they need a Statue of Alec at Wembley! His services to the English game are second to none, even though he’s Scottish and refuses to manage England, hahaha! Gotta love our manager.
Hopefully Quinny Fortune does a better job conquering the women than he did conquering the left wing.
I truly hope Sir Alex will give Berba more game time, he brings a new dimension to our game. Gordon Strachan just said only the fans have a problem with Berba, other players and coaches are in awe of his skill, which is currently lacking in our team.
Jones may not be out for six weeks. X ray tomorrow. Could be fuck all. Just one of those zorro mask jobs. Hard as fucking nails. Rio back for blackburn possibly wigan. Anderson training according to quinton. Lest we forget hernandez was out for weeks only to return a fortnight later.
Wazza had his 300th career league appearance tonight. Always a great achievement. Congrats!
come on Scott! You gotta give Lindergaard a mention ! the guy was amazing
Actually Rooney is the youngest player to reach 300 appearances so well done indeed. Got a real cracker too. See when he puts his laces through the ball?
Jones is the real deal. That tackle he did while he was still out of it was brilliant stuff.
So they win 3-0 at home, United win 0-5 away in London yet Shitty are first on MOTD? Not that it matters much but, that HANSON! FFS Cant bear him
Didn’t seem the kind of injury that would put a man out for six weeks. If he was concussed, he’d had been down right there and then.
Here’s hoping for the best for Phil. Regardless of our injury concerns, I never wanna see this guy on the treatment table. He is just way too valuable. 16.5m quid is rip-off if you ask me.
MK12
Sorry mate haven’t you noticed we are in 2011 and Laudrup has like long gone and into the retirement sunset?
King Eric
Quality rant. Just yesterday Durham spouted some cow dump about how this could be a huge accomplishment for wenger if he keeps Van Pearsie and Arsenal in the top four., after losing Fabregas and Nasri. Okay fair one – as if.
Yet they all forget United and Fergie winning the League after Ronaldo left for Madrid. That feat alone by the club, the manager has been overlooked like a wet hanky and with such frequency its disgusting. Its almost as if “United should win anyway” and when they do its “don’t forget the defending was comical”.
Its quite clear the media want a new ass to stick their tongue into. They also want this “cunt” to take us down.I i imagine they’ll go gaga every win they rack up. I mean FFS the stream i was watching the United game on went into overdrive about how many city “could” have scored. Imagine that, “could” yet United were at craven cottage taking their eleven to the cleaners with some hard incisive football. Its a bloody joke. Thing is, i like it this way. Plus it’ll be good to see this Barcelona fallacy splat like rotten eggs on their face when it goes tits up
Costas. Ha. Nice one pal.
Paul. Hello mate. I aint struck on Yaya. Plays out his fat skin when he feels like it. Other times he looks one fay lazy cunt. Jones is the fucking business mate and has the world at his feet. Young Cleverley will be back soon as anyway.
@King Eric – spot on rant mate. City this, City that. Yaya has played as many games as Hart FFS how much of our midfield can say the same thing? Even Carrick has played 7 games less and he’s been our main midfielder this season. We’ve lost our Captain FFS, but I guess thats not interesting enough for the press? RedNev reckons Yaya is their backbone so what happens when him and Kompany don’t play a few games for whatever reason? I don’t care if they’ve got Tevez Suarez Nasri and Silva on the pitch at the same time, if they’d suffered the same injures in the middle and at the back as we have they would NOT be sat two points behind us with a flawless away record. Not a chance. Even tonight, their 3-0 was better than ours apparently, oh, till it ended up 5-0, and then what? Gotta rant and laugh at the media pal, what a bunch of dozy twats. All part and parcel of being United aye?
Smalling was HUGE tonight.
I love the FIFA 12 Christmas advert where Pique points and says to Rooney:
“Merry Christmas Rooney”
I bet Barca would not have 2 CL if Pique wasn’t playing for them – good luck Pique anyway
jones can still play. he just have to wear one of em bracing mask.. like that one japanese player
No comments so far about Lindegaard, hasn’t conceded a goal in the EPL.
Doing very well.
What a game, lads! It was perfect!!
My quick reaction to the game – YAAAYYY!
1. Giggs has scored in every premiership season #legend
2. Rooney Thunderbolt. Been dying to see that for so long now!
3. Berbatov! What a class goal! The icing on the cake!
4. Perfect night for me!
5. Hope Jones is alright and doesn’t have anything major.
6. Anyone saw how the ref was so “involved” in the game. I think he might have had more interceptions than Carrick!
Jones will just become Ninja Jones from swashbuckling Jones
Ok. Just read the comments now! Cross out 6. Damn! Jones out for 6 weeks ruined my perfect night! Oh, cross out 4 too then
A great performance and result , I think that Anders Lindegaard is the best keeper out of the two he a seems a throw back to the old style keeper where they catch the ball rather than punch . His organization of the back four is superb his disturbtion of the ball is the the same . He is fluent in English which has got to be a bonus his confinance seems to rub off on the back four . Any way in joy Christmas and read you soon.
It bothers me that my RoM brethren let it bother them so much what the media mercenaries have to say. Those bastards get paid to talk football and in media you always have to come up with something new to sell. United are the biggest freakin’ thing in world football (NO CONTEST!) but as far as the world of media is concerned, we’re old news. Everyone is hoping to see someone knock us off OUR porch and right now (coz everyone loves a good David-and-Goliath story) and City are the latest to audition for the role. And the media whores are simply cashing in on the story.
I say let them have their fun and earn their paychecks. It’ll feel so much better when we end up prevailing over the lot of has-beens and also-rans.
@dazbomber
If you mean to compare De Gea and Lindy on the basis of talent, I think De Gea is a far better keeper than Lindy. But right now, they appear to be on par and their performances suggest that but I think that’s coz Lindy has nearly 7 years more experience than De Gea. Goalkeepers, no matter how untalented, always get better with age.
@King Eric – ha, beat me to it. I know your not keen on him, but I do rate him. Thing is, I can rate a player without wanting them to come to United. There are many players who play good football but wouldn’t be able to replicate it at United imo. More than anything I respect Ferguson’s ability to pick the right players time and time again. Im more talking about the role Yaya does at CIty, I think Jones can do the same role, which is ticking over midfield with his crisp passing and running into the final third late on to give us some threat down the middle. Jones has a EPL engine, he can do all that and more, thats why I said he’s the smart money mate. Knowing what I know now, I’d take Jones at 18 over Yaya when he left Barca any day of the week.
The point I just made about Yaya was what happens when he gets a knock or misses some games??? They are fucked once he’s out of their team, as imo their lightweight pretty players can only operate when he’s on the pitch controlling the tempo of midfield. No coincidence he’s played as many games as Hart pal, but thats what distinguishes us from them, as we’ll have injuries from the front to the back and STILL have the strength and guile to win the league.
CIty are gonna crumble when they start getting injuries, no doubt in my mind.
Fergie agreed with me! First half was the best we’ve played all season. Great stuff lads. 19
Lol @ Zorro mask, and Jones looks like he’d play with a cast on his leg. So many players coming back we’ll be spoilt for choice in January.
Winning 5-0 was great enough, but picking up 2 injuries replacing them without skipping a beat? When you’ve got players like Park and Berbatov hardly getting a game you know you have a quality squad. The score was brilliant, but seeing us march on without the dugout or players dropping their heads or panicking, thats priceless.
Laters RoM
4 assists for Valencia and 3 for Nani in our last 3 games. These two are imo one of the main reasons our form is sparkling again.
Lol @ Jellybean, just spotted that post.
Saad – I just think at this moment he is the better keeper only time will tell. How good is it to have two good keepers
Nani reminded me of Ronaldo in his pomp tonight. Showing that form again, we all know he’s capable of. Even scored a header ffs! Rooney tried his best to steal it lol.
What a 5th goal by Andy Garcia
Are the shirt sales up?
Night Reds – Wheres Cedars when you need him? – tell him I was on Troll Busters without the main man
What I liked about that Nani goal was Giggsy’s cross. Damn the sob is 38, but he bends those crosses in like no one else. As soon as he lines up his foot, you know it’s going to be a goal..
Paul and slim. Cheers lads. Slim. Durham is a fucking idiot. Him and fat dancing ponce gough saying how Aguero would score a hat trick being marked by shawcross. Err ryan was suspended you fucking clowns. It sickens the abus that United are still winning and should have 24 from 24 since THAT horrorshow. We should have hammered the bar codes. Once again fergie comes up trumps. With players like smalling jones de gea anders twins tom danny who is fucking top class slim, tunni, pogba, evans,hernandez etc we are good to go for years. Not to mention those in their mid twenties like wayne, tony, hopefully fletch, nani, etc. Make no mistake city will be getting worried as they know we have the experience and wherewithall to win titles and they can clearly see we aint going anywhere. Their arses will go soon enough. How many empty seats? Pathetic.
I do like lindergard. He is a top keeper and a top lad to boot. Always gives funny interviews. God taking Carrick who Iove aside imagine a pairing of tom and jonesy. Wow.
Someone called martin just called the phone in berating berba. Fuck off. Said he isn’t producing. Err he aint getting on the fucking park at present yet when he does he nets. One eyed bastards. That man is class.
Excellent display from the boys. We should have had a penalty and what’s with dempsey’s elbow – it was definitely too high, even though he didn’t appear to swing it violently. we are having some injury run at the moment – I think/hope Jones was just groggy and the x-ray is probably just precautionary.
I do hope city will slip up soon, I’m tired of hearing this shit about top on christmas la la la. Mankini’s voice makes me want to throw something at the telly. And for the media comparison with barcelona… do me a favor and fuck off.
All the goals were excellent, good build-up, neat passing. Loving welbeck’s performance and hope he remains injury free for the rest of the season and Berba – well, smooth as you like.
KE’s friend Daniel Taylor wrote a piece about how the Suarez crap has affected Evra too.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/21/vindication-downside-patrice-evra-luis-suarez?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+theguardian%2Ffootball%2Frss+%28Football%29
Some interesting points raised there. At least he acknowledges that Evra hasn’t played the race card.
jayKay @ 22:54: “I truly hope Sir Alex will give Berba more game time, he brings a new dimension to our game.”
Great idea – who would you bench ?
Nani – first assist and then second goal ?
DannyTheLad – first goal and leading the line ?
or TheWayneBoy ?
Get real. Dimmy scored an exquisite goal against a tired, beaten team that was down by four goals. Only an idiot would question Dimmy’s skills but Chicharito is ahead of him in the pecking order and so, too, are Nani, DannyTheLad, and TheWayneBoy. That’s just reality. Plus, of course, Dimmy is 30 and his contract is winding down.
Lets all do the Berba! 10 out of 10 for artistic impression, Berb.
A great win, girlfriend is a Fulham fan so I bet her pre-game $5 we would win by at least 3 goals….
/may be sleeping in the car tonight…..
// small price to pay….
This would be a good opotion for Kiko:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2077295/Manchester-United-striker-Federico-Macheda-join-Wigan-loan.html?
Thanks denton for bringing me down?
Buzz Killington!
Of all the things you could have said after today’s performance and events, it is a swipe at Berbatov that comes first. Am i surprised denton davey?
Cedars will be a happy bunny? RVP scored again. Northbank barmy army!
My mistake. Johnson showed no arrogance. They said on ss he did. Just one question. Did Stoke actually even turn up? What a fucking lilylivered performance that was. Why the fuck are sides shit scared of city? Fucking pathetic mind you the smalltime club are on the road as they aint playing on a pitch the size of a fucking pool table and getting the ball towelled down. Pathetic.
That would be a good opotion for Kiko, Costas.
Costas @ 23:40: “the Suarez crap has affected Evra”
I was surprised that he led out the team tonight – pleasantly surprised. But, obviously, I have a lot to learn from SAF in the art of man-management !
Patrice has had a lot on his plate and has been treated reprehensibly by the media and, of course, LiverPoo’s management – it’s pointless to comment about the Kopites, except to say that they are just idiotic.
Patrice Evra has come out of this drama with his head held high and his dignity intact. For me, he was the man-of-the-match – for being on the field and captaining his team to victory.
@smartalex
You shouldn’t. I was expecting it, lol.
SmartAlex/WillieRedNut – I was commenting on someone else’s statement which seemed to me to come from a parallel universe.
I wasn’t “criticizing” Dimmy’s performance – or his skilfully-taken goal – merely noting that if he gets more playing time then one of DannyTheLad/Nani/TheWayneBoy/Chicharito gets less playing time.
Surely, that’s a reasonable response to a non-sensical comment – in my opinion, of course.
@willie
You have to give it to me. I keep coming up with new words.
Martinez imo isn’t a good team manager, but players do improve under his watch, so it could be a good experience for Kiko.
@denton
Well there is no other option is there? Fabio is injured and Fryers isn’t ready yet. Not that I would have dropped Pat today mind you. But imo he’s needed a break for a while now. We just can’t afford to rest him. He looked a lot better than he did on Sunday. Hopefully he will put this behind him for good now. And a lawsuit against LFC for their statement wouldn’t be a bad idea either.
Hanson talking about ‘coloured’ players on motd. What a tool!
Gutted about Jones. But let’s wait and see. It’s been a weird season in terms of injuries, our hard-as-nails players have been injured, and those that historically have been Injury prone have stayed healthy….hmm…strange…anyways, got a feeling Cleverly will be back for Christmas. The twins are also close to return (if not full fit already) and they can play as wingers (at least against Arsenal).
As long as we keep Carrick fit, we should be ok….simple as.
denton davey
Did you not understand my comment?
We had a lot of positives, many might have posted your 2nd comment first, perhaps eager to express some joy, and then consider the thread. Remindful to me that your comment is solely designed to diminish Berba love that has had no moment to flourish as he has been injured. You are single-minded.
Quality goals and play by United in the first half. Especially Carrick (what a man, what a man) and Giggsy were truly dominating in possession and their defensive game was just as spot on. Welbeck played great and after his goal he should’ve had a penalty when Senderos fouled him. Looking back it didn’t really matter to the result but it was very clearly a foul and the ref was only a few yards away…
In the second half United looked as though they were already on their way back North. Maybe I’m being a bit hard on them as it was also Fulham, who looked not one bit as the team that played dummies before the interval, who made it far more difficult. Fulham put some more pressure on United’s defence and set up some decent plays, creating quite a few good chances by doing so. Thankfully though they failed to put them away. Lindegaard stood his ground but in all fairness, Andy Johnson could and really should’ve at least put one away. United were a bit sloppy in possession after the break and the ref also had some part in breaking up a few of their attacking moves… Thanks to a brace of wonderfull goals the game ended with a real flourish. Rooney, who, until then, never really made it his game, produced an absolute belter! After that The Berb made it an even more magical night with a classic Berbagasm of a goal.. The man is so cool and it really is a constant joy to watch him play. Overall a classy performance by United and a good start for the festive period!
On the downside: the injuries sustained by Jones and Young are yet another blow for the squad. We’re dealing with a lot of injuries now and if it keeps on going we’re back to placing Carrick and the likes to center back positions. On the plusside we’re getting results while having ten injuries and most of them important, some even starting XI material, players. I’d like to think it could only get better as far as that goes and I’d love to see City dealing with a situation like this. Can you imagine what they’ll be like without Aguero/Yaya/Silva?
is it me or have i heard shitty fans singing “we’ll do what we want” That’s not right, is it?
Now for something positive:
“Heaven help me please!!!!! Liverpool are shocking at the moment….
Kenny D please do the honourable thing and step aside, because you seiously are lacking some passion. As an LFC fan i am finding it really hard to deal with our play upfront and all round vision in front of goal. Hats off to Wigan you did well. Bloomin hell even martinez threw on three strikers at the end. What does Kenny D do leave Carroll on until the last three min!!! Ha ha aha thats trust in your 35mil protege
We neede Carroll on from the beginning and bellamy. What does he do play Kuyt and Maxi instead…durr!! even a blind man could see we neede a big man upfront FFS Keny sort the team out upfront.
Adam what a joke of a midfielder. he is fat and slow..he is no midfield general, His pen was shocking. He needed to be taken off. I dont know what other LFC fans see in Kenny D and this team at the moment. I Think the board and John henry made a mistake giving 100 million to piss up. he has to step aside in the summer for somebody who has an atacking philosophy or some brand of ffotball that will entertain the fans, because this pass and move crap is rally getting on my wick.
I would have Rafa La back right now. He’d give them players a quick sharp shot of his medicine. Rafa La pleae help us!!!!!”
Gotta love those KoppSukkers.
Dogleash in that stupid f**king t-shirt looks like a demented old man. Sorry if that’s offensive to anyone with or who knows someone with dementia. But he does, I’ve looked after many patients like that.
Got to say well done to the lads tonight for a top notch performance. I wasn’t that confident that we’d get a win tonight, I thought probably a draw. Nani was top class, Valencia complemented him on the opposite flank. Just hope Jones’ injury isn’t too bad. Also, great to see Rooney scoring the type of goal he should be scoring more often. If he can stay fit and in form, we have every chance of retaining the title. What can I say about Berbaclass. Carrick was immense again, hope their bashers are winding their necks in.
slim – I believe they’re singing, “we’ll score when we want”, I could be wrong though
It was a but deja vu to the Bolton game. Our exciting youngster getting injured in thugish early in the game, then we score as soon as the game restarts and then end up winning 5-0. I just hope Jones isn’t out half as long as Tom was.
*a bit deja vu*
Damn.
Dakduivel, in response to your mention of United being on their way back North, here is my thoughts in an extract from the previous thread:
I was pleased to see United mindful of the seasonal fixture congestion and the strain it puts on the player’s reserves. This doubtless was the main reason that at half-time three goals to the good we decided to ‘coast’ for half an hour, and improve the goal ratio when Fulham tired. It is more important at this stage of the festive season to get the points and move on, while conserving energy.
SmartAlex @ 0:08:
Sure, I understood your comment but I disagree.
My point (@ 23:40) was not to diminish Dimmy or to pour cold water on that guy but, rather, to inject some common sense into the discussion.
I suppose that you’ll disagree with me about that but, in my mind, that’s the point of a blog – to comment and to exchange opinions.
Yeh, they’ve been singing that for quite some time now. Fucking wankers.
@Smartalex
That could be so but we could’ve been giving one too many goals away while ‘coasting’. If Fulham, and especially Johnson, were a little bit more clinical we could’ve had a problem. Also, I think a game is more tiring when you’re constantly chasing the ball then when you’re passing it around but I could be wrong.
We really have no.luck this year with injuries…is there anyone who is not injured? I hope things will be better…but we played great tonight. bravo!
denton davey
A group of people are happily chatting about their team’s great win. You arrive and start your visit by diminishing Berbatov. This has an unhappy effect, and is noticed once again by those who have experienced this from you repeatedly. No one thinks that we shouldn’t exchange opinions. What silly diversion is that? We exchange opinions all through every thread.
Buzz Killington was an immediately expressed response to your very petty swipe.
There has been an ever-present anti-Berbatov inclination to your posts for more than a year.
I’m absolutely clear that your statement “My point (@ 23:40) was not to diminish Dimmy or to pour cold water on that guy but, rather, to inject some common sense into the discussion” is false.
Your comment was specifically designed to diminish Berbatov. It’s timing was destructive and it’s nature very much in line with more than 500 of your previous comments.
This is why I and others were not surprised.
anyone would put welbeck over hernandez? personally, i thought that welbeck adds more variety to the game, providing more link-up play etc. he is also more bulking and taller, and sometimes i feel that’s better for a striker that’s playing upfront, especially considering that rooney, the other forward, is relatively short.
as for evra, i don’t think the recent drama affected his performance. he’s probably being told to just lean back. i think he played the most games so far, and he certainly usually ran a lot as a leftback. after valencia came on for jones and joined in the attack, he’s probably allowed to just perform his defensive duties.
i must say it’s quite fun to watch the few instances when valencia and nani are on the same wing.
Despite an injury ravaged squad, another 3 points away and City’s goal difference chipped back a bit more, just in time for the squeaky bum part of the season when we tend to come into our own. Things are shaping up nicely and Carrick’s return more than anyone has been a key factor in this.
As for Berba’s goal, all that needs to be said is class is permanent. It’s the difference between the really top sides and the rest. World class skills as such should always be accommodated, with the overriding proviso that there are shoe-ins, no un-droppables in the squad. None. Work backwards from there allied to discipline.. All this ‘pecking order’ stuff trotted out by the same old Berba-haters is deluded. You can only get so far at the top level with run and gun, huff and puff.
We learnt that much last May.
Berbatov’s goal made my night. He’s had a crap season so far, barely used, sometimes injured, not looking confident. Then he scores that goal. An absolutely magnificent finish. Sure it looks like he’s taking the piss, he often does, but if he’d tried to play that ball to his front there’s man and keeper in the way, so not only was his finish more stylish than an Aston Martin showroom, it was also absolutely the right finish, and just another little touch of that magic that only he can produce.
The Rooney goal was very good too though, and I hope we’re going to see him back on song with his long range shooting.
Great night for the defence too. We’re looking really hard to break down at the moment and nine unanswered goals in two away games is the sort of form to put that City goal difference back into play.
Dakduivel – to be fair we weren’t ‘constantly chasing the ball’ so i’m not sure what you mean.
Anyway, it’s all conjecture from my side, so I’m not sure of any of it!
Sorry to go back to the whole Evra Suarez episode but given the FACT that Evra has complained of being racially abused only once, and that was the incident with Suarez, can Liverpool get away with this statement?
“It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player [Evra] was not credible – certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.”
Surely our own club needs to take action against Liverpool as it is outrageous to state as fact that Evra has made prior unfounded accusations. It’s a blatant attempt to ruin his credibility through lies. I say blatant because if I know Evra hasn’t made prior accusations, and what the fuck do I know really, then you can be damn sure that Liverpool and all their lawyers know. It’s all a bit sick if you ask me.
“When Wastelands is ashes, you have my permission to die”
THE PHIL JONES RISES.
Excellent Performance lads, all pulled together brilliantly. Sir Alex continues to produce masterful selections, the way he looks after his players notably Mad Pat by giving him the Armband tonight. Perfect Man Management. Seeing That Boy Giggsy finding Ye Olde Onion Bag for the 22nd Successive Season. Lingeraard still not conceded a EPL goal. THE DEMISE CONTINUES.Brilliant
Serious question.
Does anyome know why Yaya Toure escaped punishment when TV caught him kicking and the slapping Mata in the Chelsea game? Did the ref say he saw it or something?
BTW – is King Eric’s baby here yet? or is he still waiting for the transfer market to open to make a move?
@Devil310
I think that KE’s little Tom is waiting until the 23rd before he pops out. He likes that number for some reason…
Great performance
Great win
I couldn’t help but jump with joy when Berba got on the pitch… and then I went ecstatic when he went on to score!!
@smartalex – well said.
And fuck City, Chelsea, Arsenal or whoever too. We’ve just won away 5-0 despite being injury hit and being supposedly shit we’re 2nd in the table closing in on the oil rich despot’s playthings. We’ve got both the know how and the depth of squad to win the EPL this season. No panic buys or flavour of the month marquee signings needed.
byron1970 – I’m sure that Liverpool have already broken a few laws, and they’re just getting started. There could be major repercussions, including a medley of lawsuits. Get your deck chair out and watch the show.
Cheers Mr C!
haha @ Buzz Killington. For those of a nervous disposition look away now.
Watched the match again on Sky and didn’t notice Danny’s “embrace” with Nani after his fantastic run for the first goal. Hilarious, it looked like he was gonna punch him with excitement at first, then it looked like he wanted to kiss him, Nani got a bit of both haha, and that little jump for joy from Rooney when it went in made me laugh as well.
So there I was thinking all was right with the world, didn’t watch MOTD….
Mikekelly – No fucking way? COLOURED? Hahaha, and WOW. Is he planting a flag or what? Too much societal progress in the last 24 hours or something? To be fair, Garth Crooks could have a mug labeled “coloured” on his BBC desk for all I know (sorry Garth if your not a tool) but thats not the point is it? Couldn’t care who doesn’t mind the term, these young kids (black and white) shouldn’t have racist terms like that recycled for their generation. Anyway, I’d love to see Hanson call the wrong black person “coloured” live on television. Lets see who in the profession speaks out and who will say FA. Seriously, would he call Davids or Seedorf “coloured” to their face? Fuck no, altho im too sure about Gullit as he’s off with the fairies half the time so he’d probably defend Hansen’s right to call young lads like Welbeck “coloured” ….do – me – a – fucking – favour.
I thought last season was insane with the whole Rooney-gate and WHAT??? episodes, but beginning with postponements from England-wide riots this season has been beyond the fucking pale.
Seems like the Liverpool fans can’t take the truth in my comments (see bottom of page)…
http://www.kopsource.com/luis-suarez-found-guilty-of-racist-conduct-gets-8-match-ban/
smartalex – I certainly hope so. Liverpool’s statement reminds me of a student who’s completely forgotten an essay deadline and only realised it with an hour remaining; but what can you do you have to come up with something. It’s almost as if it was written in the car on the way to the office.
check this… funny as hell.
http://www.marca.com/2011/12/21/futbol/futbol_internacional/premier_league/1324461026.html
Sorry if someone already posted.
byron1970- The statement did seem unprofessional. Rather cobbled together.
I can’t see lawyers recommending their approach, nor PR experts. It must be Kenny!
On his laptop, with his daughter typing!
Still purring over United’s performance today. That’s what i like to see. clinical, domination of the midfield, movements and work rate from the the forwards, creativity and then the end product.
Nani was superb today, a world class player without a doubt, he is an immense asset for united and when on his game, he is pretty much unplayable for any full back out there, be it ashley cole or whoever.
Valencia impressed again, pure power and pace added with end product, adaptable as wel by him switching to full back, hopefully he carries on with this confidence.
Giggs rolled back the years, took him forever to get on the edge and score but the class in him never leaves.
Welbeck was very good, is developing into a top class all round strikers, technically he is quality so i think hernandez and berba have a fight to get back in the team, took his goal well and should have had two.
Smalling is a natural centre half and that shown, he was fantastic alongside jonny evans who is gaining confidence again. Lindegaard shows we have two top class keepers alongside de gea.
Disappointing on jones injury, hopefully it’s nothing serious. Same with young even though he looked anonymous again before going off.
And finally, what more can i really say on rooney and berba’s goals? both in a class of their own. Wayne didn’t have his best game tonight but he is always capable of moments like that, the euro 2012 bans he got reduced has uplifted his mood and that goal was technically brilliant and as for berba, congratulations on your 50th goal through another moment of genius, beautiful goal added with the cool celebration. He won’t start many games for united anymore but he deserves another year deal.
We’re hitting form at the right time, city still look formidab but we gotta keep playing well.
@Byron1970- well said mate, and you’re right of course. I think United are just waiting for the appeal to be made and everything to be finalised. Evra doesn’t have to rush with his legal action, and I for one hope he pushes the civil envelop as far as he’s pushed the FA. But when you consider how our Club operates im sure our legal advisers are all over this one, unlike LFC who seem to be making it up as they go along.
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Back to Hansen, I’d really like to think a United lad like Danny would categorically tell him and whoever else that wanted to know, he’s not fucking “coloured”. They clearly pay too much at the BBC for the top earners, as Hansen is far too confident he can slip that in without repercussions. Time will tell if this blows over, but its far more offensive than Clarkson being Clarkson imo. This country used to have “No Coloured” signs up FFS.
Thing is, to give the word context, our Manager made a comment recently saying something like “United have had some fantastic *black players* down the years”, so theres no defence for Hansen here, none whatsoever. You’d think he invented football sitting there talking shit week in week out with his cliches and his boring fucking attitude. Never liked him, but im gonna give myself a fucking headache going on about this Lol.
And who the fuck still says “coloured” anyway? I can’t wait to see that footage, and im only laughing and making light of it because 1) I didn’t see it myself and 2) its so fucking unbelievable I can’t take it seriously. I mean, I know older people don’t want to embrace the future but fuck me, “Coloured”? Has he ever said it before on MOTD? I’ve never heard him if he has, and more to the bloody point will he ever say it again? I dare him to say it once a week, if its such a “harmless” word.
If im being cynical, I’d have to say he’s said that to show indirect solidarity with LFC. He’s playing the race card fellas, plain and simple, but what a contrast aye? The same night Giggs scores in every EPL season there has ever been to put the polish on his legendary career, Hansen reconnects with the Liverpool faithful by becoming “a legend” AT THE TAX PAYERS EXPENSE. Funny, the LFC lot were prepared to call Balotelli “a legend” after a fake tweet emerged. Glad to know Hansen is in such esteem company. What a horrible little fucking club, puts Keane’s outbursts into context imo, at least he’s not on TV every week insisting on being an obnoxious, bitter, ABU racist cunt.
Now, im not into mindless violence or anything, but Hansen should get a little slap for that in all honesty. Cheeky little two bit cunt. You’ve got all these young players (black and white) watching MOTD and theres sat an orange-peel skinned, smug looking, toothy old bastard calling black players “coloured”. On the eve of 2012. Wow, just fucking wow. Thank fuck my Club doesn’t do things to make me question is my life worth living, thats all I can say. Can you imagine being a non-racist fully fledged Liverpool supporter?
Christ, can you imagine being a BLACK LFC supporter right now? Hahaha – you WILL walk alone pal! Every Liverpool supporter of every race and creed I know will never hear the end of this. Are LFC hell bent on being hated by successive generations of football fans or what? STR is spot on, the supporters of that Club who don’t deserve to be rounded up need to start speaking out, about the incessant smear campaign against Evra, about the comments of their ex-player on the BBC, about the comments of their half deranged looking manager.
The real LFC supporters need a SCOUSE SPRING or something. I’ve never slagged of LFC or the City of Liverpool for the sake of it, NEVER, not in my personal life and not on RoM. I’ve spoken up over the way the police, gov and press did them over Hillsborough for years, I’ve respected their campiagn against Murdoch, so im in a good position to say that Kenny Daglesh is fucking that Club right up, even faster than RAFA. The Spaniard was comical if anything, and even when he was at his most “venomous” he was a fucking saint compared to his current lot. Daglesh is a CUNT, end of story, and all the SCOUSERS too stupid to question their ailing leader will be dragged down with him. Following a half deranged manager on Twitter FFS, you couldn’t make it up! Will they still wear T-shirts if his appeal ends? Kenny says jump the Kop say how high? Haha. LFC are fucked.
Im half writing this laughing mind, nothing can take away the the feeling a 5-0 brings you, but this LFC racism business really isn’t funny when you think about it.
On that note. Laters RoM.
Fuck me thats a big post – hope nobody reckons it takes away from our 3 points today. Its just a rant on a blog end of the day. Not even 4 goals could take away our victory today. We were class from the manager right through to the Subs bench.
Enjoy the festivities lads!
@Costas – 23 is a good number. Tom Cleverly….Michael Jordan….
Evening Reds taped the game had to listen to it on the radio,sounded like the Lads played well and my buddy Berb showing his class again.Don’t care what Denton,Red Onion or Fred thinks Berba is quality and it kills me he doesn’t get a chance to play.
Just scanned thru the comments seems to be alot about the ABUS giving City,Spurs,etc credit and Utd none. REALLY why does anyone give a fuck,it’s been like that since i can remember.In a jinxed season Utd are still showing everyone what the club is all about.
I actually love it because every year after all the bollocks Utd still prove these cunts wrong
The difference between the cunts,trolls,Wum that come on here and the Abus,is that the Abus have a mic or camera to talk or look into.
KE mate lol every season these cunts wind you up so bad i fucking love it,just treat them with the contempt you would any fucking idiot that comes onto ROM
Year after Year Utd kick into gear when in matters regardless of injuries.I fucking love this club and keep the Fucking 40mill rentboys away,i like being underdogs and given no respect
Peace brother Reds
Regarding Hansen’s use of the word ‘coloured’, it’s something of an Americanism but I don’t think it’s particularly odd term. I know a lot of staggeringly, studiously, politically correct folks, I mean these are people that don’t even fart loudly in case it offends a tuba player, and they use the team POC, or People Of Colour to describe black folks and such like. Coloured is not a term with specific negative connotations, at least that I am aware of, but that said I have yet to see the quote in context.
what do people think of demba ba?. Power, pace, skill, clinical finishing and tonight showed he can crash them in from set pieces, how long can the toons keep hold of him?, he can’t stop scoring, hopefully he won’t get nothing against us when we go up there.
Doghouse how old are you,you must be fucking joking anyway Glenn Beck agrees with you,which pretty well answers the question because Glenn Beck is one of the most perjudice right wing cunts there is.You must hang around with a bunch of upper class racists mate
Glenn Beck Claims Calling African Americans Colored Is Not A Bad Thing
August 30, 2011By Jason Easley15diggsdiggShare81535
On his radio show today, Glenn Beck claimed that calling African Americans colored is not a bad thing, because places like South Africa use the term colored.
Here is the audio from Media Matters:
Beck said, “You have to not care about political correctness anymore. Pat, correct me if I am wrong. Didn’t you feel ridiculously stupid everywhere in Africa, in Europe, in South America, in Jerusalem when you would say the words African American? Pat replied, “Oh yeah, because it doesn’t apply there.” Beck continued, “It doesn’t apply. Now how can people be one thing in one country and nowhere else in the world?”
After discussing what they should call people of color, Beck continued, “It’s black. In South Africa, it’s black and colored, and I don’t remember the difference, but there is a difference….I don’t remember which one’s which, but like Indian I think even came in. Maybe it was colored that was also like Indian or elsewhere, and blacks. Pat chimed in with, “But we have been taught here that colored is really a bad thing to say, cause what color are they? Well ok, you got us to stop saying that but in other parts of the world they still do. Beck said, “And it’s not a bad thing, only here. Why are we made to feel bad? Notice this? African American was not made to do anything except try to create a superman. Don’t you dare feel bad about yourself, you’re African American.”
Beck continued, “No, you’re an American. Instead of building the country up. Look what happened with Martin Luther King that makes you an American. Judge not by the color of your skin, and you weren’t over in Africa. You great grandfather was. Your great great grandfather may have been, but you weren’t, and sure this country sucked for blacks, sucked beyond sucked for a long time, but it doesn’t now. It doesn’t now. Be proud to be an American.” Beck and crew were insulted by the term African American, and said that “they” were using terms like African American and handi-capable to make them (white people) afraid, and called on his audience to dismiss these “human rights frauds.”
Yeah, look what happened to Martin Luther King. He dared to stand up and speak out for justice and rights and he was assassinated. No Glenn, the term colored is not okay. It has nothing to do with political correctness. The term colored is a direct throwback to segregation and the Jim Crow era. That is the reason why the term colored is not viewed as the proper way to address an African American.
Using Beck’s logic, Italian-Americans, Jewish-Americans, and Polish-Americans can’t pay tribute to their heritage either. What is wrong with those Italian Americans? We’re all just Americans. Stop trying to divide us.
African Americans should take comfort in knowing that according to rich white guy Glenn Beck, America no longer sucks for them. I guess since African-Americans aren’t slaves anymore, and they eat in the same restaurants as white people everything is honkey dory. Forget the fact that African American unemployment is at 15.9%. Pay no mind to the fact that the median household wealth for white families is 20 times higher than African American families. Who cares that African Americans are twice as likely to be foreclosed on. Ignore the fact that for many African American communities graduation rates are still too low, and incarceration rates are too high.
Black America, you are living in paradise.
All that Glenn Beck asks in return for this bountiful life is that you answer when he calls you colored. Oh and he probably wouldn’t mind if you sat in the back of the bus, and what’s the occasional nigger joke going to hurt?
After all, we’re all Americans. Right, Glenn?
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Match of the day were a joke tonight. United put in an assured brilliant display in a ground most clubs will drop this season, we’ve also dropped and being beaten there in the last few season but we go there and smash them but there were barely any great analysis done yet FUCKING lineiker and co can lick city’s ass.
I thought the berba and wayne goals would get accolades but we see nothing other than the usual crap about the opponents being poor defensively. GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE!!
samuel don’t really understand why you’re screaming for credit mate all that matters is who takes the silverware
Wayne – brilliant post there mate and absolutely spot on, some people live in a coo coo fucking land.
Wayne – i’m just saying, not that i need match of the Day’s pathetic analysis to judge united and you’re right, what matters is united winning trophies at the end of the season.
Hello People!
Excellent performance something we all needed after thos 1-0s!
Back to our best but look much more solid defensively.Loved nani!
Allright sorry to go off topic but is it true that Evra accused Clown boy Luiz for racist abuse last season as well?A scouser mate keeps harping about it anf for the love of me i don’t recollect a word.
Anyone kind enough to help me out?
Thanks in advance
6 weeks?! Nooo please. Let’s hope he returns early than expected like the Pea.
I would like to report Ruths waters have broke. Just waiting for labour now!
Devil310. Ha. January window sales. Quallity pal.
Since City defeat we have conceded TWO goals. One of which was a non pen. Three goals on the road all season. Not bad for a side whose back four has constantly changed.
City we are breathing down your necks you arrogant cunts.
Goognight.
Fantastic performance. I expected us to end our poor run at the Cottage, but 5-0 really is something.
I just hope Jones’ and Young’s injuries aren’t serious. 11 players in the first team injured? Lady Luck really seems to hate us, at the moment.
@King Eric
Wishing both child and mother a safe and smooth delivery!
Only one reaction from me – it doesn’t matter what the results are, who the scorers are – it’s always a privilege to watch a team assembled by SAF, and always wonderful to see him on the set whenever the cameramen try to catch something worth spouting nonsense over.
King Eric – wishing the best for the three of you
King Eric – best wishes to all of you!
A very good win, although we became a bit complacent in the second half allowing fulham to run at us, but then Rooney showed his magic, and Berba got in the mix as well with a lovely goal. Hopefully Berba will sort out his contract and stay some more, we need classy players like him, and may be also time for SAF to give him some more play-time. Will miss Jones thou, not that much of Young however, as he did impress in the early games, but then seemed to drop in form. Is it only me who think we still need a good defender in Jan?
Good to see United playing the way the should…sleek passing & movement but then there is still room for improvement. We seem to play well & have telepathic understanding with certain group of players…our season starts now!……Merry X’mas everyone!
Great win lads. Danny is a talented boy. He should be the one who should be leading england in euro’s.
Great character and a humble guy. Macheda should learn from welbeck. Loan macheda to premiership.
Smalling is a tough boy. He should be a central defender rather than a Right back. Had a great game.
Nani was the motm. He is improving with age. He has still not reach his peak.Happy he can also score with head. If he keeps this form and is injury free then he will score more than 15 goals this season in all competition.
Great performance by everyone.
Hey we also got a GoAL from Berbatov. A class player. Love you berba.
Now the negative sides of this games were injuries to Jones , Young and Rio.
Jones is a big blow. I feel 6 weeks is too much. He should be back in a week time if everything goes well. We need Jones for the city game.
I feel with injury concerns still there Why doesn’t Sir Ferguson Give some chance to Morrison and pogba. Just give them some time in last 30 mins or so if we are winning by 2-0 or more. Why risk players like Valencia, Giggs etc.
We cannot afford more injuries.
King Eric- Best wishes to your family. King Eric Jnr should also start posting in this blog in few years time.
King Eric
Best of luck!!
King Erik- Best wishes to your family, a baby’s a light in the life.
Berbatov’s goal was pure finesse.
Cedars- Good morning-night. You know, I’m pure Peace & Love ha ha (I remember a Zoe’s song).
King Eric, In Dave’s words, looks like you finally offered the wee lad a contract worth signing.
All the best to the three of you and you will be in my prayers.
Wayne. Spot on mate to be fair. Don’t know why Iet the abu’s bother me. Its when they start being nice we should worry.
Anyway I am in complete disbelief at the dippers. Someone joked on here yesterday they would have suarez t shirts on. Well they fucking did Every fucking player in the warm up. Picture of the goofy cunt on the front with suarez 7 on back. Classless fucking vermin.
Right off for some kip as could be a long day.
Laters.
@Denton, I don’t know if u r a true footballing fan, but it is evident in your comments u r not. United clearly lacks some vision and creativity in the mid-field and though Berba is a striker (top class at that) we clearly miss that certain magic that is lacking since the days of Keane and Cantona. Like u said Berba is 30, so let us get the most out of him, the youngsters still have many more years ahead of them to further develop the already excellent skills.
I’ll go for two and a mask because it’s Jones
People questioning Denton’s ability as a footballing fan. Now I truly have heard everything.
Denton, The thing is you know you are going to win in the long run. A few years from now, Dimmy will surely be off to some lower placed club to finish off his career while United will be led by Rooney, Welbeck and Chicharito as our lynchpins. Nobody is going to argue with you in this matter. Why can’t you allow us to celebrate the man’s presence in a Red shirt in peace instead of killing off any Berbatov joy with your redundant posts over and over again? We, Berbatov fans, haven’t had much t celebrate off late with his injury and necessary marginalization. Any minor joys like this he provides are all we have to get off on and you keep raining on our parade.
Quite frankly, you seem to get some joy by killing our buzz each time something surrounding Berbatov builds up. Now, I highly admire your posts and respect your balanced arguments and think you are a mature, senior individual (after all, I am guessing you are over 50 from your previous posts). People of that age wouldn’t want to keep killing off our buzz time and again especially when we have politely requested you not to. This is another such polite request: If you don’t enjoy the Berbalove, please ignore them with all due respect but please, for the love of God, don’t keep spoiling whatever little joy he is going to offer us in whatever time he has left in a Red shirt.
Yay, Ruth’s waters broke. Berba has unlocked another defence it seems.
All the best King Eric!
Everyone of you have misunderstood Denton davey’s post.
What denton meant was It is very difficult to give berba some game time as There are already three forwards (Rooney,Chicho, Danny) who are higher in pecking order than berba.
Berba is a classy player and he will bring something different but He should not play at the expense of Danny or chicho.
Berba will get his chance but I don’t see him getting Many chances as Sir alex prefers Danny or chicho.
Let us guys enjoy whatever time berba plays. He is a class player.
Morning all
First thing my thoughts are with Neil and Ruth, all the best pal.
Still hung over with joy from the mere sight of watching the lads last night, all brilliant, 5 goals and 5 different scorers. Gutted for Jones and I hope he makes a speedy recovery. Great to see the quick reactions threads back and I loved the last point. Our supporters last night were absolutely magnificent, sung their hearts out non stop.
United supporters = best in the world
Ash, Nope, I perfectly understood Denton’s post. I clearly understand what he means about Dimmy not getting ahead of Chicha and Welbeck and most anyone would. However, if you’ve been reading Denton’s posts over the past year or so, he has a habit of putting down Berbalovers time and again. My request was in general and not so much pertaining this post. It was a polite request at that as well which I hope Denton will oblige to.
soren
Thanks for the mention my love and sweet dreams….
Come ON Ruthy
Good morning Balaji – I will read back and probably comment on this debate… Have a great day pal.
Is there any thing more we can say about Giggs? Did you guys notice some of his dribbling and great tackles last night? LEGEND
Balaji- I have read Denton’s post many time and yeah he tends to underestimate berba very much but I feel this time he didn’t Degrade berba.
He was just saying It would be imposiible for berba to get time when you Welbeck playing so well and also Have hernandez who is maybe the best natural finisher we have got after Nistelrooy.
Berba Has entertained me very much and is still entertaining. We all love him, some may not love him but I don’t care about them.
Fantastic display! United playing great again! Wellbeck had a blinder. A joy to watch. We bossed it!! COme on United!!!
Balaji & Ash
I just read back through the posts, no one questioned Denton’s ability as a fan nor his credibility… He was mere called a buzz kill which I thought was quite funny
Cedars, Read jayKay’s post at 7:01, “I don’t know if u r a true footballing fan, but it is evident in your comments u r not. ” I was pointing towards that only buddy. If Denton isn’t a footballing fan, then I don’t know what I’ve been smoking for the past 10 years.
Ash, Yup, as I said, I didn’t find anything in this post that pointed towards that he was degrading Berba. In fact, most anyone would agree with Denton that it is impossible for Berba to get ahead of Welbz and Chicha. As I said, it sparked another debate and that is the reason why I politely requested Denton to cool it off with his Berba posts for a while.
but his all round contribution was good and he got an assist for Nani’s goal.
Bloddy hell Scott…Giggs was different class last night and in my opinion he was the best player on that pitch by a long way. give the lad credit where its due mate
Can’t believe STR has not made a thread named ‘Injury Watch’ and tell us when all our players will be due back.
I bet the Bitters must be in disbelieve that with all our injuries and their amazing start we are still only two points behind Abu Dhabi Rangers.
Anyways what a performance from the lads! thats more like it.
Oops, where are my manners? Good morning Cedars, already having a great day buddy and hope you are as well.
All very well worked and finished goals against fulham although they gave us a lot of space which we took advantage of – something we haven’t been doing enough of lately.
Shit news about Jones – the team was beginning to take shape over the last couple of games and with the other injuries it makes a bad situation worse.
Liverpool continue to dig a hole for themselves – they’ve thrown away the shovel and and now mining downwards in a stolen JCB.
id start welbz ahead of chicha every game to be honest. yes chicha is good in the box and does score vital goals but danny is miles ahead of him when it comes to technique and def has a much better football brain than hernandez does. great performance from danny lad last night and lets hope he continues and stays injury free. what a finish by berba as well…
Balaji – Oh I see, I missed that one…. Who the fuck is he anyway?
jellybean – Such a joy seeing you here again darling….. I missed my king playing partner!
Back to last night, hearing those supporters in full voice really gets my heart pumping. I was exchanging texts with Mike during the match and told him how much I missed being out there singing my heart out….
I really urge all those who have never been to a match to save up and try to make it to at least just one game, you will never forget the experience….. Of course if its your first time than OT is a must however an away game is a different experience all together
Morning reds.
@Cedars,I thought you were last summer’s Buzzkillington?
@KE – congrats on the Baby.
Liverpool are bunch of classless tossers. Lets print Tshirts supporting a racist! Fuckin ridiculous. i know is your fucking player, but just shut up and get on with it. JT should get it worse now or the FA credibility will go to shit
Devil301
Morning my friend….. You mean with the wee Wes saga? hahahaha I certainly was
I am very eager to see How sir alex line up our team against Wigan and blackburn. Now I don’t want to underestimate any team but I would be Gutted if we Don’t get 6 points out of these two games. There could be A big chance that we may score 3 or more goals in both these matches.
New castle away is tough but seeing the performance of newcastle now , I fell we should get 3 points from there also. Disappointed That we didn’t beat them in old trafford.
Scoring after just a couple of minuted, as we’ve done recently, really settles the team early and allows us to play with confidence. Great to watch!
Morning RoM.
Congratulations on the prince, King Eric.
Cedars
The crowd really was something last night, wasn’t it? The Suarez chants were hilarious. It’s a shame OT has gone quiet lately.
The place – Some where in Manchester
The date – Sometime in the early 80′s
Its Saturday and its match day, we are playing at home and back then all games kicked off at 3. I am up at 7, just cannot sleep in on match days. I have my breakfast whilst time passes ever so slowly. Around noon I sweet talk my mom to secure the 6 or 7 pounds needed for the day, give her a big hug and kiss then head out with my famous and traditional red, black and white striped scarf. I get on the bus and head over to Piccadilly. Back then there were special match day trains from Piccadilly to a station about 200 yards or so away from OT.
I always ensured that I arrived early enough so that I can get into the Stretty. I stand in line at the turn stiles and then pay the 3 pounds required and I am in…. Still only 1 or 1.30 so I help my self to a 50 p pie, the most disgusting you can ever have, however the beer was good and back then you could take your pint into the ground (Served in plastic cups)
The players come out for the warm up and my heart starts pumping… Every single player had his song and we would start singing away….. Then its kick off and the Stretty would go mad……
Damn I miss my spiritual home, I miss OT and I love United
Damn you Cedars! The more you folks talk about, the more it increases the craving in me to visit The Theater of Dreams in my life time. Some day… I know I will do it. My entire life is going to revolve around waiting for that day to come.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/8971576/Paul-Hayward-on-field-culture-has-been-changed-forever-over-18-hours.html
The above is a brilliant article by Paul Hayward on the criminal charges against Terry. I thought it interesting because it brought the Keane tackle on Haaland to mind. If the same rules were to be applied, any fan could’ve registered a complaint with the police that Keane set out to assault Haaland and admitted as such and should be charged with something like assault/battery. I personally think it is a dangerous precedent that has been set and if Terry is charged, then things could certainly boil over. I am no lawyer but it certainly feels like too much of a grey area to me. The laws in these cases need to be defined clearly, otherwise we’ll see more such cases for good or for bad.
Fra Sky: “Dimitar Berbatov puts down his French cigarette, finishes off his Cognac and then nets with a wonderful back-heeled finish.”
“Dear Balotelli, that’s how you score a back-heel goal. Sincerely Dimitar Berbatov”
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407342_2804138898128_1098297161_33106463_979492708_n.jpg
We know scouse cunts are .. well.. cunts! That is a screenshot of Evra’s unofficial FB page with “comments of endearment” from the scouse bastards! Absolute disgrace!
Hope jones gets a fast recovery, and i really enjoyed the game. And as giggs is my favorite player, I was really happy to see him score he looked very happy too and I was also happy for him. Chicharito should have been there, if Chico was there, it would have been like 6-0 !
King Eric! Wow man, very exciting news! Good luck and good health to Ruth and Tom.
I pray that Ruth copes well, and that you three are United in joy!
I thought the fist half performance was the best we have played in ages, the Fulham players didn’t know if they wanted a shit or a haircut.
ironbrand
Brilliant stuff, loved it!
Good day smartalex
Good Morning RoM!
Thanks Cedarsdevil! I was transported back to a time I know only from smoky photographs.
The wonder of Old Trafford … ah well, one day.
@RedManWalking
If I had the time, I would report every single one of those twitter handles to the police. Anyone out there unemployed and wanna give it a go?…
Balaji, good day!
Your sensitive and sensible request for less anti-Berba mania was fair and polite.
I am sure it will be met receptively. I also hope it is.
RMW
Great to see you here pal….. I would advice not to post such links here. The minute I read the first line I closed the page….. The world is full of horrible and disgusting people we all know that and we do not need reminding
Morning all
First off, congrats on the immanent/new arrival of young Tom. Best wishes to you, mum and son!
Cedars
You were indeed yearning to be on those terraces last night, best away support in the world!! Watched match of the day. Hansen sounded like my grandad god rest his soul, with his “we have lots of colored players input league” and “some of our best players are coloured”. God only knows what his point was, I don’t think he knew as he wittered on he looked really uncomfortable with the topic! You’d think a big organisation like the BBC would brief their presenters who were going to be speaking on an emotive topic in front of millions. The man obviously meant no malice but came across like an uneducated baffoon from yesteryear. On the football analysis, one thing stood out which made me laugh. The only analysis we got from them was how poor the defending was for our first goal. Yet, and this is what made me piss myself, they eulogised about how well Aguerro did by, wait for it “standing still” to score his goal!!!! No mention of the FOUR Stoke players who were also stood still allowing him to score?! No mention of Stoke missing Shawcross, Etherington, Crouch or Whelan!! Wankers. And don’t get me started on the t-shirts… All they were missing were El Nigerito emblazoned on the backs!! How fucking inappropriate. I await their “kick racism out of football” t-shirts on their next outing! Can you imagine us warming up with Rooney t-shirts on after his 2 game ban for saying Fuck?! Did we come out with, it’s cultural differences, Wayne was brought up saying fucking this and fucking that, he’s been saying it all his life and nobody has batted an eyelid. In fact some other people also say it!! Fucking joke!!
Cedars
You should write a book, that was a great intro. I remember once waiting till just after half time ( they used to open the gates and you could sneak in for free) this time we’d left it a little late and each time we heard a cheer go up it was like a dagger through the heart, missing our heroes finding the back of the net. We were playing Luton Town. When the gates finally opened we ran in and being little runts we wriggled ourselves to the front. With wide eyes and beaming smiles we arrived at the fence just as Luton Town scored!! It was their first goal at Old Trafford in something like 100 years!! Gutted! We won the game 5-1 but I only witnessed the Luton goal. Their fans did the conga in the scoreboard to celebrate and to this day I have never waited to sneak in again!
Liverpool fc as a club are a DISGRACE !!
What message are they sending out wearing thoses t-shirts before last nights game??
as for there fans vile comments well I for one am lost for words……………
what will the FA do now???
Mike
Morning pal….. Brilliant post / rant
Mind you watching United players warming up with T shirts that said ‘What? Fucking what? would be superb! hahaha
Balaji
You raise a complicated aspect of policing in society. Different rules in different places.
If you go through a Stop Sign in a Shopping Centre, the Traffic police have no jurisdiction. If you aggressively tackle an opposition’s player in rugby, there’s no police to answer to. There would be no boxers out of jail if they were arrested as soon as they threw punches. A necessary variance, but one that’s hard to fully justify. The ‘crime’ is subject to interpretation, and needs to still fit some moral code.
Were members of the public to frivolously complain to the Police about on-field incidents, there would only be charges pressed if a provable offense had occurred, AND it was clearly in the Public’s best interest to press such charges. Another grey area where grey matter must be applied on a case-by-case basis, even when it’s a matter of colour.
@kanchelskis That pic got my blood boiling, mate! But, I think it would be better to fry ‘em scouse shitholes at Old Trafford! That would be the match Suarez would be returning to after the 8 match ban.
On a happier note, isn’t Cleverley returning next match?
Can’t wait to see him! And just in time too. It’s Christmas and United have shifted gears! We are on steamroll mode. Hoping to see more of Rooney TM Thunderbolts and Classy Berba Back Heels!
P.S. Also hope the Ando’s new haircut does something to his playing consistency. Who knows? Maybe those locks were itching and tickling his neck or something.
Good morning all you Reds! Lots of catching up to do from previous days, but happy to see that STR seems to be back. I guess all of us have been a tad harsh on him – after all, he probably does have a life outside RoM, unlike us
Quick reactions from yesterday’s match:
1. Loved it. Absolutely totally loved it. Watching us dominate the way which made me fall in love with United all those years back. Nani is a beast. Fucllbacks just can’t live with him at the moment, and he didn’t even look like he was busting a gut yesterday.
2. Giggs is the most intelligent United player. Legend is an understatement. The way he was working those corners was a fucking joy to watch. In my opinion, Ronaldo doesn’t hold a candle to Giggsy in his prime. Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VH3PsHJtTI&feature=related
3. I gotta get this of my chest – but I prefer Lindy to DDG. Maybe it’s just his size, but DDG never gives me quite the reassurance that this guy does. His distribution was fantastic yesterday, and he was never nervous, always decisive yesterday. Not sure if I can say the same about DDG. And Lindy’s a Dane, which helps I guess
4. Gutted about Jones’s injury. I do hope he can be back quickly. Where does that leave our midfield options I wonder? Doubt if Giggsy can play the next match. Either of Rafa or TonyV can fill in at RB, so thank God for that.
5. Sorry to piss on everyone’s parade. But we would be fooling ourselves if we said that based on the last few performances, we don’t need MF signings. In the second half, a shite Fulham side were regularly penetrating our midfield, and trust me, we are nowhere close to becoming the best in the world. We dominated them and QPR overall – but that should not even begin to scratch the iceberg of our, erm, “ambition”. Against top European opposition we would still be found out. As much as I love these wins, I hope it doesn’t dilute the club’s focus to reach the very top of the football pile – because we are very close to doing it, because it would be a shame to let such an opportunity pass, and because that’s where we, Manchester United, rightfully belong.
@RedManWalking
Yup. Their visit to OT should be a fucking raucous affair. Hope we stay focused and smash them.
Clevs really back next match? That would seriously soften the blow of Jones’s injury. Though as Scott says, I suspect Jones will be back sooner than we suspect. He’s a hard bastard. Not many would try to play on with a (probably) broken jaw.
I think the PR man who advised Liverpool football club and their players to wear them T shirts last night must be a United fan because he has just fucked up their reputation and credibility to eternity…
Good job pal
Yeahoo I’m back.
Berba = complete waste of space in our line-up. Why oh why is he still here..?
But relax guys, I fucking hate Suarez and Livercunts more!
unashamed berba hater
Mike
Ya I remember the gates being opened later, personally I never missed kick off, or the warm up even! As for writing a book, my said skills are rubbish…. Would probably need to narrate to someone like MG, Balaji or smartalex.
@King Eric: All the best, mate! God, I feel so excited at the prospect of another wee Red in the world!
@Balaji: Top post to our dear Denton re: The Berb. Honestly, I like Denton’s posts a lot. Just don’t understand your (Denton’s) little blind spot about Berbatov. Let it be, Denton, just let it be!
I feel for the guy, short of tickling The Gaffer’s left nut, what exactly does the guy need to do to get a run of games? Guy’s a frigging genius. I sincerely hope the club retains him and gives him some games, because I can just see him banging them in with any decent European club.
@Cedars – I am taking that advice to heart! But, to be honest, that was a first time for me! I have never seen people be so vile and their words filled with so much venom that they could kill you merely by uttering a word. I was very shocked to see those comments. Didn’t mean I had to put you all through it. My bad.
Anyway, how are you pal? Saw the match at a United Cafe (No United pubs here
) yesterday with redrider and a couple of other United supporters! It was fantastic! Rooney TM Thunderbolt and Classy Berba Back Heel made my day! I just want to point at all the ABUs and laugh! I am sure they can sense it as well – Their predictions of Doom and Gloom at OT are off (AGAIN!). Jones was the only negative.
Those who left those messages on Evra’s page are lame. Just that. Lame. Not even worth cussing at. Just lame shites who probably don’t have much of a brain. Please understand, culturally, that’s an endearment.
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To those who had deformities in the Y-cell right from second zero.
RMW
Glad you enjoyed the game as much as I did pal, how is redrider by the way? You can post whatever you like my friend however for me personally reading such vile venom puts me off…. If you want proper vile just listen to the songs Leeds fans sing every week…. Like I said the world is full of sick fucks
@ smartalex: Hmm.. you could be right, but I don’t see why Fergie would want that because frankly, we gave away far too many chances by doing so. Then again, if the first one went straight in the game-plan would probably change right away. Don’t want to take anything away from the team though, it was a classy performance overall.
Giggsy was magnificent probably my man of the match, with a goal and an assist to his name. Maybe we should wait until we’ve had some decent opposition in midfield again before we start drooling all over our center play but in the meantime I’m really loving that whoever-and Carrick partnership we got now
I can only imagine what we will be like when we’ve got Andy and Clevs back.. Other than that I’m starting to enjoy Valencia again! He’s been a bit too predictable in his attacking moves but lately he’s been his old self again. As a rightback he was great, defensively it could be better, but when we’ve got Valencia behind Nani it feels like a fucking lokomotiv bumping through the flanks of our opposition!
Dalglish post match interview talking about the fans and Suarez “there’s a fantastic relationship there and nothing will break it” not even racism Kenny? Nice one, stick to your guns you misguided prick!
Jeet
Regarding our midfield in the second half, to be fair we shifted to cruise mode and Rooney said as much after the match that they switched off as the match was already won. Not saying we dont need signings but cant base that on last night when we absolutely battered them in the first half.
Dakduiwel – Energy conservation for the heavy schedule ahead.
Mike
As I said earlier who ever is advising them dippers must be a United fan, they are sinking into the shitters and fast
Just seen the best angle on that Rooney goal – from straight behind him. What a fucking corker!
Shame it was when the game was already won. If that had been a winning goal, it would’ve been something truly special.
@kanchelskis – I am under the impression that he is back next match. I do not remember where I got it from. But, if it is not, I would get depressed about the Jones injury again.
@Cedars redrider had smile on his face reminiscent of a baby when he sees his mother
. He was practically jumping up and down after the Berba back heel (I had just sat down after the Rooney thunderbolt). Oh ya, to top it all of, in the highlights, they showed the Adams penalty save 
. Perfect night!
Cedars
Maybe Cyril will tell us afterall he is also an agent of Fergie.
As Balaji has frequently said liverpool have become a disgrace.
jim
You raise an interesting point here…. Perhaps Cyril himself is disguised as the Liverpool PR man!
To keep things in perspective, Liverpool’s actions of late are indeed a disgrace however as a club they certainly are no disgrace
2 questions – dying to get some answers:
1. Are players from Europa League teams cuptied?
2. In your opinion, who is better – CR7 or Giggs in his prime?
Hello everyone. We were just awesome yesterday. Carrick is showing his worth. One of the most important player for us Right now.
Very happy for Our berbatov. 50 Goals for him in our Red shirt. Proud moment for him. Berbatov proud of you.
Roll on Wigan on boxing day.
@smartalex
Yeah I see that but giving away so many opportunities while doing so can’t be part of the plan right
Manchester City have been 1st in the top-flight at Christmas on 3 previous occasions, but have never won the league afterwards.
Morning All
The first lines of the proposed Cedars autobiography:
It is a period of civil war.
Rebel United spaceships led by Commander Cedars, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Scouse Empire.
During the battle, Rebel spies manage to steal secret plans to the Empire’s ultimate weapon, the Negrito Star, an armoured racist station with enough power to brainwash an entire planet.
Pursued by the Empire’s sinister agents, Princess soren races home aboard her starship, custodian of the stolen plans that can save her people and restore freedom to the galaxy….
smartalex
In that case its gonna be 4 and counting
United’s Reserves are in action at 2pm this afternoon away to Blackburn Rovers at Leigh Sports Village in the Lancashire Senior Cup.
All of a sudden the Wigan game doesn’t look so easy. They’ve held both Chelsea and L’pool in their last two. But then, we are at home, so let’s hope we get the job done.
Only 5:0?! I blame Berbatov
All the best King. Why am I excited and am miles away hehehehe
I wasnt comfortable with this match since we have gotten hidings there but thank God for the result. We are doing great to our goal difference too. The more City can’t shake us the more they will be afraid once we meet the. They will have to prove what they did wasnt a fluke and we just have to get a result.
I shall watch the match highlights in the news in the evening, what with work and youtube access being denied.
MG
You are a genius!! Hahaha Loved reading that……Truly brilliant stuff.
By the way I did read your TrollBusting activity with jarvis from last night….
Who you gonna call?
Cedars
TrollBusters!
Morning Cedars
I knew you’d like that –
Am I imagining things, or did others also feel that Berbatov was a bit muted in his celebration uesterday? I know he usually comes across a bit unemotional at best, and sulky at worst, but he usually has this huge grin when he scores. Have the decisions already been made? I hope not, i.e. I hope the decision is for him to get more game time.
Dakduiwel – Clearly I’m not suggesting that sir Alex requested the team to allow more shots on goal from Fulham.
I am suggesting that we were more compact, therefore saving energy. Side effects being less opportunities to score, and more possession for Fulham in non-dangerous areas. Their style is to play short, neat, quick passes to feet, so some opportunities would be worked, but with a 3 goal cushion the risk of conceding paled when offset by the critical conservation of energy. Operating in even 5% less arduous conditions returns an enormous saving.
That approach is certainly not new from Sir Alex. He does it every year. In fact, on a match-by-match basis it is accurate to say that most of our substitutions are about rotating the squad to keep every one simmering. Sometimes turning down the heat a little can prevent the squad from boiling over.
Agreed Cedarsdevil – City are the quad-squad.
They are the shriveled fourskins, we are the big knobs!
Anyone wanting highlights from last night here is the link
http://www.footytube.com/video/fulham-manchester-united-dec21-100035?ref=hp_ozeit_mp
Hiya MG, you beauty
smartalex
Stop showing off pal, your language skills are so superior its frighting! hahaha
I understood nothing from your post addressed to me! hahahaha
All in good red spirit mind you, just laughing away here…. But seriously i did not get it! hahaha
Did I over use hahahaha in my last post? hahahahaha
We are called as Red Devils,
The anti-United fans are the evils.
Our club has a glorious history,
For clubs like Chelsea, their history is still a mystery.
We had the likes of Sir Bobby Charlton and George Best,
Manchester United is the club above the rest.
We have Sir Alex Ferguson ruling Old trafford for last 20years,
We make our opponents cry on the field and leave no tears.
We had the Likes of Beckham, we had the likes of Ronaldo,
Their passion for the club is never low.
To win matches our opponents need prayers,
Because for many clubs we are not less then nightmares.
there is no better team than united on this earth,
we are proud to say that we are red devil since birth.
we have living legends like rooney, neville, giggs and scholes,
they are been idiolised by 1000′s of souls.
Fuck Madrid, Fuck Barca, Fuck Liverpool,Fuck City
cos Manchester united rules
Manchester united rules
Manchester united rules.
19 Going to reach 20
WE ARE THE BEST
Dream scenario, Cedars telling his experiences about United to MG and smartalex who later write a book about it. Half the people would think it was star wars re written, the other half would not understand a thing!
Ash
Very inspiring my friend however you left out the most important fuck of all!
Jeet – you’re trying to be a psychic again.
Cedars- Thanks mate. You talking about Scums (Leeds). I forgot about them.
Just For you and all Other die hard United supporters.
I have got two words for Scums FUCK OFF
Ash
That’s more like it!
Ash
Awesome man. Truly inspiring . Yeah we Rule and will always rule.
@voice of voiceless- Thanks mate. Happy you enjoyed it.
GLORY GLORY MAN UNITED
Morning Reds,KE congrats mate,xmas will be a busy happy time,enjoy it mate.
This place is going bonkers, RED bonkers that is and I love it…..Troll free as well.
Samantha Mumba >>>>>> Hayley
hahahaha
wayne
Hi mate, bet you enjoyed that recorded version of the match eh? Must be freezing your balls off at the moment though!
@smartalex
You’re right I’ve seen United doing this alot, didn’t really thought that over. :p
Anybody seen the ‘special’ warmup shirts that l’pool wore last night?
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xn62f6_liverpool-players-wearing-suarez-shirts-at-wigan_sport?start=1#from=embediframe
What a fucking disgrace… sad little dipper cunts.
Cedars morning mate i taped the game which i’ll watch tonight so don’t want to watch the highlights,listened to the game on the radio sounded like the lads put on a show so looking forward to it.
So far mate it’s been a mild winter,last weekend reached 10-12c, 14 day trend is showing mild so i’m keeping my fingers crossed for a decent winter,88 days to spring mate.
To all the match day regulars, would you be so kind to remind me of the lyrics of ‘We shall not be moved’ ?
Just cannot remember it!
when can we expect results from Jonesy’s scan back? can’t afford another huge injury
Someone said earlier they wish Rooney’s goal had been the winner. I see you’d point mate but let’s be honest, that would have meant 89 minutes at 0-0… Wouldn’t have fancied that one bit! As regards our second half performance, deffo foot off the gas, however, still created chances, still kept a clean sheet with makeshift drfence and still scored 2. I don’t know the percentage (over to you Costas) but I wager around 90% of teams that are 3 or 4-0 up at half time, either score no more or add only 1 in the second half. Costas, there’s a project for you.
Cedars
We are the team that’s gonna win the fucking lot….we shall not be moved!!! Other variables are also sang subject to availability.
King Eric
Get in, you’ll be at Wigan!!
The only reason Dippers are backing Suarez because he’s their best player any fringe player would’ve already been out of the door.I didn’t like Suarez before all this he’s one of the biggest cheating cunts in the prem always diving and trying to get players sent of which goes straight to his character.I have no doubt he’s a lying slimly cunt and the Dippers are just hurting their reputation and looking foolish with this reaction
Side note i listen to Drivetime with Durham and Gough normally comes on while i’m driving.Why is it 90% of callers are thick cunts who make no sense whatsoever,not just that show most call in shows people who bother to take the time to call are normally planks,strange one that.
Mike
Cheers pal….. Ya I remember the ‘we’re gonna win the lot part’ Its other versions that have eluded me! Fuck them meds….. Just 2 more days to go
The Ferrari F1 team fired their entire pit crew yesterday.” This announcement followed Ferrari’s decision to take advantage of the
British government’s ‘Work for your Dole’ scheme and employ some. Liverpudlian youngsters. The decision to hire them was brought about by a recent documentary on how unemployed youths from Toxteth were able to remove a set of wheels in lessthan 6 seconds without proper equipment, whereas Ferrari’s existing crew could only do it in 8 seconds with millions of pounds worth of high tech gear. It was thought to be an excellent, bold move by the Ferrari management team
as most races are won and lost in the pits, giving Ferrari an advantage over every other team. However, Ferrari got more than they bargained for! At the crew’s first practice session, not only was the scouse pit crew
able to change all four wheels in under 6 seconds but, within 12 seconds, they had re-sprayed, re-badged and sold the car to the Mclaren team for 8 cases of Stella, a bag of weed and some photos of Lewis Hamilton’s bird in the shower.
I like how Scott puts that pic of Berba. Oh you love him so much eh Scott! Lol.
Side note, how the fuck was that not a Penalty on Danny?! Match of the day didn’t mention, however, made a point of pointing out that RVP’s should have been a pen (sorry Marro) which was far less blatant.
oh my god, paul parker.
get a fuckin blog
i’ll read it
seriously get a blog
fuckin amazing hansen rant. genius.
Mike
Anyone who simply breathes on RVP then its a pen in my books! hahaha
You are right though, that challenge on Wellbeck was a clear one….
Pissing off for my walk, laters
@Samuel: Can’t tell you how happy I am to hear that! Sometimes I imagine things, just like Cedars imagines he is talking to Nigella when in fact, he is milking the cow
Evra chooses his fantasy five a side:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/video/2011/dec/21/patrice-evra-fantasy-five-a-side-video
Funny that he forgets to put a defender or even a goalie in his team
Afternoon Reds…
@Mikekelly: The lad should have had a fucking hat-trick yesterday with the pen and the scooped one-on-one. Did very, very well yesterday
Dakduivel
Let’s be honest mate, with that team you wouldn’t need a keeper, you’d never get the fuckin ball!!
Haha, very true Mike!
@wayne – that was a belting post last night mate. I thought my rant last night was too long then I saw your post haha. Very comprehensive hence I have very little to add to the topic.
Glad to see Alan Hansen has unreservedly apologised. ITS GOOD FOR FOOTBALL. Some may wonder what the fuss is about, but like Hansen, once the facts are pointed out it becomes bloody obvious. We all know the word isn’t offensive by itself, but when its specifically used to describe non-European people its highly offensive, as THATS what it basically means, and it was used by European colonists to label the indigenous Americans, Australians, Africans and Asians they killed, raped and robbed. Thats pretty much the end of story.
So never mind the NAACP and their backers – its unacceptable for Hansen to describe Welbeck as coloured. Its 2012 FFS not 1912. Danny isn’t in Africa being colonised so he shouldn’t be described with terms that originated with colonisation in this day and age. Kids today, white and black, shouldn’t be taught to use racist language from the past like its okay. Of course, theres always been an understanding that older people might still use the word without being offensive, but dragging this bollocks into a new millennium THROUGH BBC SPORT is not on.
If in doubt just take a look at Hansen, a proud and opinionated man. If he didn’t want to apologise he’d stick two fingers up like Clarkson and he’d be backed by the BBC, but once the history of the word was explained what else could he do but apologise within 12 hours? There aren’t many racist words that can directly offend 3 continents with one utterance, are there? Hansen is a representative of our beautiful game and we pay his bloody wages, so imo he HAD to “unreservedly apologise” and state his “regret” for using the term – In the midst of racism charges in the game, no less.
Anyone got any news on Stan Luarels cheekbone injury?
BUT MORE TO THE POINT, IM PISSED OFF MOTD DIDN’T SHOW PROPER UNITED HIGHLIGHTS. 5 NIL AND WE DON’T GET PROPER ANALYSIS? THE WORLDS GONE MAD!
Kiko to Wigan sounds like a good move, they’ve got some quality attacking players there. Young and Jones sound ok for Blackburn at the earliest. Krasic and Eriksen are two names we’re linked to but I haven’t seen them yet, so not really sure what the fuss is about? Gaitan’s record speaks for itself and Tiote does look a player. By all accounts it does seem we’re moving for a player, and with Fletcher out I don’t think we have much choice. Imagine if we didn’t have Giggs this season? We have the squad to see out this season and challenge but next year we should see an extra body in midfield next summer, a bit of quality while the youngsters step up would be a wise move.
@Mes – cheers mate! Was half asleep when I started ranting, I just couldn’t believe it. Coloured? Lol. Would the British Prime Minister use that word in public to describe anybody? Fuck no!
@Paul Parker thanks mate sometimes wonder what world some people live in to be that naive or ignorant.
@wayne – Also mate, I get your point about not letting the ABU press wind us up. Thing is ranting on here for some of us helps not being wound up by the drivel and disinformation they put out about our Club. The EPL Champions win 5-0 and its as if nothing happened. When last did anybody put 5 past Fulham at their ground? They have a bloody good record, not least over us! Ranting about it on here is harmless, but if the sports media has you frothing at the mouth and visibly shaking with anger first thing on the morning commute then I can see that becoming a problem!
@Samuel – top post last night as well mate.
@mikekelly
stan laurel? just googled it myself and couldn’t find anything yet.
some funny posts here. my particular highlight was Willie Red Nut saying: “I am fucking sick to the buck teeth. Sorry back teeth, this suarez thing has got to me!”
sick to the buck teeth. classic.
The Daily Mash have a bit of a pisstake of what I am going to call the Uruguan argument. They have a picture of a burning cross and some guy from the Klu Klux Klan standing there with the caption: “To a black Uruguyan this is like getting a big warm hug.”
oh, and sorry about the spelling of Uruguyan, I haven’t a clue.
I think ridicule of Liverpool for their response, any excuses and obviously of Suarez himself is probably the best approach from here on in.
anyway. cracking performance.
You can just feel it, united are on the dual carriageway, some cunt in a very expensive and flash looking pale blue car is blocking the way… but you know this red machine has the power to leave it in the dust. so fuck it, wait for the gap, keep the speed up, wait for the gap and then BANG! shift gears and blow them off the fucking road. the gears are changing, the engine is warming up, there is plenty of fuel in the tank. Number 20.
and next year Europe. You can feel it. Jones with that fucking tackle when he was out of it. What a man.
one more thing, after bemoaning the lack of good posts recently, great to see STR back to business
Not directly United related – but remember that Welsh fan who died at Wembley when England played Wales? Am I the last person to find out the killer was an England fan? At the time the met police released a statement (and stuck to it) that Cardiff and Swansea fans were clashing and it was a Welshman who killed his fellow Welshman. Now that enough time has passed, and people have forgotten about England ever playing Wales, it quietly comes out that they knew an Englishman had killed him all along. Only heard about this today. Where’s the statement from the English FA? Or do the English FA claim to speak for the Welsh too, hence they silence?
Its been a shocking year for the English game in 2011, one way or the other.
Just read King Eric’s post – All the best mate! All the best!
@paul parker
not united related but we are all football fans here as well as united mate. You weren’t the last to find that out because I have only found out by your posting of it. shocking stuff. it is scary how corrupt the footballing world seems to be.
@Paul Parker i love KE’s rants,makes me laugh,on here doesn’t normally let the Trolls,WUM get to him much but the ABU’s get right under his skin.lol
Most of them just hate us and it’s years of jealously don’t want the phoney cunts giving Utd praise,whatever team is the closest to challenging us is who gets their love.Instead of kissing Citys ass their time would be better spent pointing out how City are ruining football but that will never happen.
Invade the moon
Mate, might just be me but when he walked off the pitch last night dazed and confused with his hair all stuck up, reminded me of Stan Luarel.
Thank you very much lads. Just the waiting game now. Started contractions every hour or so. Thanks for your support again.
Wayne. Ha. Do you get talkshit in Canada mate? Aren’t they a pair of fucking idiots eh? For example fat dancer Gough last night said Shawcross wouldn’t cope with Kun. Hhmm no he wouldn’t seeing as though he was fucking suspended. Tell you their are lads on here that could get well paid for talking on a football show and making more sense than half the fucking idiots currently employed.
I may get stick but I agree with someone else who prefers Lindergaard. I love De Gea but I just think for certain games Anders experience is key. He is dominant, shouts at defenders, catches the ball, distribution improved. He reminds me a bit of pete. De gea will become world class without a doubt but at present I personally feel assured more when Anders in goal. Top lad too. A nutter.
@mikekelly
I can see it now. lol. when I said I googled it I meant for updates on the x-ray or what have yous.
@KingEric
I love how you are waiting on the birth of your child and it is still Manchester United on the brain. I want to categorically say that I am not being sarcastic. That is fucking brilliant mate. Just the thought of it is making me smile. That kid hasn’t got a chance of being anything other than a top red. Could be our next manager. lol.
Even though I don’t know you I want to wish you all the best and I hope everything goes well.
See Gotze is the latest cunt who wants to go to Spain,that’s just becoming a cop out for a easy life,no competition.I’m fast losing respect for cunts who want to play for Real or Barca,Spanish league needs to reinvent itself and start sharing the TV wealth because it’s becoming a shit league with no challenge and the gap will just get worse.
@King Eric: That’s me. The thing with DDG is that he will do the spectatcular, I grant you, but sometimes I just get the feeling that he is a hair breadth away from a mistake. I prefer my keepers to be more predictable, even if less spectacular. Reassurance is key.
King Eric yes mate got satellite radio last year when it started covering Utd games i get that show live,those two are pure entertainment mate.It’s well fucked though because middle afternoon i get the morning show with Alan Brazil can’t even listen to him that show is total shit.
Just got back home from London after last night best away day I have had in a long time.
Cedars, james, king Eric etc did you boys like my Suarez song I got going Der der Der der der der der der Der der der der der der der racist bastard
KE think he’s a better keeper at this time aswell mate.
Sorry for being repititive, but can someone help answer these 2 questions?
1. Are players from Europa League teams cuptied?
2. In your opinion, who is better – CR7 or Giggs in his prime?
Has Lindegaard conceded a goal in the Premier League?
Lovely weather in Spain Wayne
Its not too bad outside either 14 degrees in Worcester
I think the weather debate is a boring one – even players choosing to go to Barca/Madrid – I mean as a player they have too many players for starters on the books how is one supposed to break into the team?
Alas it is what it is and thats about it – at the end if a player wants to come to United they know why they are coming
If they don’t want to come well its okay someone else will come.
At the moment we just want those in the dressing room to get the United way of doing things and the brotherhood that exists in the club to carry on – if you have that you have everything – when that breaks thats when the bullshit starts
19
Get Ready Everyone. He Will Be Here.
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jeet
i think if you have played in europe at all you are cup tied for all other european games for the rest of the season, so if you have played in europa disney league (sorry lads, it’s tough, I know) you would be cup-tied for the real thing and vice-versa. (Although I might be wrong, not 100 per cent on that)
on the giggs and ronaldo question, there are few players who would come close to the sheer brilliance of ronaldo in the european cup winning season, and for me, at the risk of being castigated for saying it, I don’t think giggs has ever reached such heights throughout his career. But, I would say that no-one will be building statues of ronaldo. Giggs is a club legend in a way that ronaldo will never be, primarily because he has played at such a high level for so long, even now when he is getting towards 40 years old he is still able to take players on and beat them. And, it is highly dubious if I would be correct in saying that Giggs has never reached the heights of brilliance displayed by Ronaldo in his wonder season or two. There is fuck all to seperate them in truth in terms of ability.
overall though Giggs>Ronaldo.
ps, don’t hang me. I am the first to admit that I know fuck all. lol
@MG hi mate agree 100%,players going to Real/Barca are no better than the Rentboys in England it’s not a footballing choice,keep the Rentboy cunts out of OT.
@invade the moon: Thanks! The Ronaldo-Giggs question puzzles me. Even if you leave apart the longevity factor, you could argue it both ways I guess. Giggsy has never done what CR7 does on things like freekicks and headers. Couldn’t play as a striker and has hardly got a right peg. BUT, IMO, there’s no doubt that Giggsy improves any team he plays for in a way that CR7 cannot. His passing, his crosses are better. His dribbling and speed is/was just as mint, but it tends to be more effective. I’ve never seen him do meaningless dribbles. And he does perform defensive duties, always has, to an extent. When you start factoring in the longevity (I doubt Ronaldo will be playing at 39), then there’s only one winner.
Giggs12
Awesome pal, quality support! Cedars txt me during the game commenting on it. Fly the red flag pal!!
I’m sat in the barbers waiting to get my hair done. The bloke ahead of me has just said (city fan) it’s in the bag. Can’t see us loosing again!! Seriously you deluded fuck!! Even in our most dominant years I never ONCE felt “it was in the bag” with 16 games gone! Who the fuck do they think they are. I PRAY for a job lot of injuries over Christmas for them and see how their messiah copes with it. Jokers!!
Mike it was immense mate
The term ‘coloured’ in South Africa is ever-present.
It refers to those of mixed race, particularly to those born of a black African parent and a white European parent. It is still found on many forms alongside the other options of ‘White’ ‘Black’ and ‘Indian’, and some forms carry other categories too. I do not know or understand why this still occurs. Banks, Medical Aid Schemes, and even government forms often ask for this classification.
The term is inflammatory, as it is easily associated with a million signboards that used to direct us to our permitted zones. A common sign was ‘Nie-Blankes” meaning ‘Non-Whites’ were allowed. A beach or a park set aside for people of colour, comprising of black Africans, Indians (largely meaning Asian, but weirdly broken up by political affiliations) and Coloureds (being those of mixed race)
Were any friend of mine to describe himself, he would likely mention that he was a ‘bruin ou’, meaning ‘brown man’ or person of mixed descent, ie ‘coloured’. Similarly were he ‘european’, ‘african’ or ‘indian’ it would likely be mentioned. Non-explosive conversations of an every day nature.
Using the term ‘coloured’ as a group-name is frowned upon, and will generate some reaction. If used in a negative or sweeping context, a slap will likely end your sentence for you.
SmartAlex: @ 0:34: “Your comment was specifically designed to diminish Berbatov. It’s timing was destructive and it’s nature very much in line with more than 500 of your previous comments.”
In point of fact, my comment wasn’t “designed to diminish Berbatov” – it was “designed” to inject a dose of reality into the conversation.
Would you be happier if I said this:
“One thing i learned is that surely we should be seeing Berbatov play, shouldn’t we? If he can’t get a game at OT then let someone else sign him in January; he’s too good to waste on the bench.”
Actually, I didn’t write that – it was a poster on GuardianOnline (“safeasmmilk”) – but I am in complete agreement with his sentiments. I have long argued – but not in “500 posts” – that Dimmy is a skilful player but he’s a square peg in a round hole in regards to the way that SAF has TheLads playing.
There are eleven playing positions on the pitch – if you play Dimmy then you would have had to leave out one of the four attacking players (or Chicharito). It’s not rocket science – or even mathematics; it’s just plain arithmetic.
So the question has to be – why does SAF not play the guy ?
A subsidiary question is why doesn’t SAF sell the guy ?
denton see you’re finishing the year the way you started,like listening to a radio station at chirstmas,20 songs getting played over and over and over……..
denton davey
Please:
- read all the comments on this page, while trying to understand them.
- realise that your hundreds of posts that diminish Berbatov always kills any happiness here.
It’s too much. Whether your particular point has merit is hardly ever considered anymore, because you never stop. Always talking about Berbatov, always picking a comment that expresses the poster’s positivity, and trying to show that Berbatov is not what the fan is idolising.
It’s a buzz kill, and it’s pretty much all you do. Stop blabbing on and on about Berbatov. You’ve long exhausted your quota, and our patience. Why not add to the conversation more, and only occasionally talk about one particular player? Also, try posting a comment that only transmits positivity, even if it’s just about Berba’s chin. You owe us a great deal of that, for the endless hours you have repeatedly forced negative comments down our throats.
I await your positivity gleefully! Expectant, excited and secure in the knowledge that you surely must care for us, and not see RoM as just another web-page.
Monday – we squash Wigan!
@kanchelskis – I think I dreamt that Cleverley is returning, mate! Sorry if I got your hopes up. I was doing a little bit of Googling and it hasn’t been said anywhere that Cleverely is returning next game! *sigh*
Hurray Hurray, United will have a heyday,
Hurray Huyray, Wigan’s will be a mayday,
Hurray Hurray, Lets all say,
Hurray Hurray, United wil have a heyday.
The things a 5-0 victory can do to you
Invade the moon. Eh pal! It was ME with the sick to the buck teeth comment. Don’t be bloody giving that Willie character any credit! Only messing. Cheers mate.
Jeet. Sorry yes it was you mate and it seems us two and Wayne all prefer Anders at THIS time. De Gea can become a world class keeper in due course. No Anders hasn’t conceded a single goal in four league games and a cup game. As I said last night since the City horrorshow we have conceded only TWO goals. One of which was that pen. Superb stuff.
Giggs12. Superb mate. How many fucking United fans were there last night. It looked ram packed with you. Top drawer as ever. Love the new middle bit to “we all hate Leeds scum, we all hate leeds scum“ the 35 years fuck all replaced with “thursday nights in Amsterdam“. Quality. Ha. “Justice for Evra“. Top stuff pal.
SmartAlex @ 15:53: “It’s a buzz kill, and it’s pretty much all you do. Stop blabbing on and on about Berbatov.”
I try not to comment about him but when an egregious post suggests that Dimmy should get more playing time then it seems reasonable (to me) to mention the arithmetic/players involved.
If you – and Wayne (@ 15:24) don’t like my comments then you’re free to disagree. But, please, don’t shoot the messenger when he’s just pointing out illogicality among BerbaLovers. Isn’t that what debate is supposed to be – an exchange of ideas/points-of-view.
I’ve said on numerous occasions that one of the reasons why I participate in this discussion is to test my ideas against those of others – like you two, StateSide Aussie, King Eric, WillieRedNut, Balaji, Costas, and other regulars.
If I’m wrong then I’ll admit my mistake but in this case of “unrequited BerbaLove” what I’ve heard is sentimentality rather than argument.
And, just to make a reply to your comment – I haven’t written much about Dimmy in the past month/six weeks because he’s been outside the playing squad. I admit that in the early part of the season (and last summer – after his egregious misses in the FACup semi-final and SAF’s decision to omit him from the subs’ bench for the CL final) I’ve written too much on this subject and would like to stop BUT when I encounter a case of “unrequited BerbaLove” – like that of “jayKay” @ 22:54 (last night) – then I just can’t stop myself !
OK, I acknowledge that I like to bash my head against the wall. But when I checked my medical dictionary there was no treatment for BerbaScepticism so you’re going to have to grin-and-bear my periodic outbursts – or just ignore them.
@Invade the Moon – cheers mate. He only got 3 or something daft. Knocked him poleaxe without provocation or warning. Cardiff and Swansea must be livid, imagine if an England fan was murdered at the Millennium? But I digress.
@wayne – yeah, so its just as well our manager and Club know how to handle the press. All things considered, Alex is a fucking Jedi.
Re: Hansen – I should clarify saying he deserved a slap, I hadn’t seen the footage yet and assumed he said it with the intention of NOT apologising and doing a David Starkey. Still, Hansen isn’t an idiot, and theres no way he said “coloured” in THIS CLIMATE without knowing it would case offence. You only have to look at the Gooners reaction to know that HE wouldn’t call the black players HE played with “coloured”.
But having said that, if somehow he really IS that much of an idiot then hats off to Hansen for remembering how to breathe. Bottom line he’s a twat eitherway on this one.
Some scintillating football United played there.Fantastic stuff lads.
denton davey
I chose to grin-and-bear your outbursts. No change there!
You are right to say that you have been far better, so I guess that those of us who chose to address your Berba Condition on this thread were trigger happy. Especially me!
Perhaps our sharp reaction to your first Berba comment in a while shows you just how strongly we feel affected by the buzz-kill comments. I do feel that you don’t care what we think. That is because you don’t try to connect with what people are trying to transmit. A current example is this thread. We were chatting, pretty much in a positive vein. This is down to Evra’s vindication and our great performance, including Berba’s brief appearance. If you actually read RoM comments, you will be very clear that many United fans have really been keen to see him again play for us. He played, and scored well, more good news!
Your first comment after returning to RoM from a brief hiatus, is to sarcastically destroy jayKay’s comment. He said:
“I truly hope Sir Alex will give Berba more game time, he brings a new dimension to our game. Gordon Strachan just said only the fans have a problem with Berba, other players and coaches are in awe of his skill, which is currently lacking in our team”
You didn’t like that, so you came in hard with:
“Great idea – who would you bench ?
Nani – first assist and then second goal ?
DannyTheLad – first goal and leading the line ?
or TheWayneBoy ?
Get real. Dimmy scored an exquisite goal against a tired, beaten team that was down by four goals. Only an idiot would question Dimmy’s skills but Chicharito is ahead of him in the pecking order and so, too, are Nani, DannyTheLad, and TheWayneBoy. That’s just reality. Plus, of course, Dimmy is 30 and his contract is winding down.
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It was a rude, selfish and very unnecessary attack on a new poster who actually complimented United. You need to get real denton, not him. You also rip Dimi, not by disproving jayKay’s claim, but with your opinion of Dimi’s fictitious ranking.
Now, the fact that you then ignored our complaints of your brusque and tedious comment, and chose to reply by talking about Berbatov indicates that you’re not listening.
Instead of repeatedly claiming that you’re here to discuss views, try hearing our view that your petty attacks on Berbatov are beyond acceptable now. It’s too late. no more. please stop. Don’t mention him again.
If you must ignore our appeals, know that the distress you cause is sadly felt world wide.
An excellent result for us, considering the number of players we have out injured. Do you think our noisy bitter neighbours would be able to keep up their momentum with the same number of KEY players out like us? I very much doubt it. Yet the whole ABU media has never once given us credit for our achievement so far. All they do is find every opportunity to knock us or write us off whenever a result goes against us. Well done lads, well played!!
SmartAlex @ 18:32: “try hearing our view that your petty attacks on Berbatov are beyond acceptable now. It’s too late. no more. please stop. Don’t mention him again.”
First of all, my reply to jayKay was not “petty” – it was pointed, asking him from which player he would take away playing time to give it to Dimmy; the fact that jayKay is a newbie is really beside-the-point;
Second, I’d gladly not “mention him again” if those who choose to do so, do so with some sense of perspective and a grip on the reality of the situation;
Third, I didn’t rip Dimitar Berbatov by denying the skill of his goal but, rather, I made the comment that scoring the fifth goal against a tired, beaten team is not something that should guarantee him more playing time;
Fourth, my comments about Dimmy’s place in the pecking order may be subject to question but the fact-of-the-matter is that he has played far fewer minutes than Chicharito and/or DannyTheLad. AFTER THOSE TWO MISSES against ManShitty in the FACup semi-final at Wembley, Dimmy’s playing-time has dried up.
D’ya think that SAF might have taken THOSE TWO MISSES into consideration when he set up his team sheet for the CL final ? or do you think that missing two chances in a crucial match was “just one of those things” ? I know that correlation is not causation BUT……it sure seems inexplicable why SAF has given playing time to Chicharito and DannyTheLad in preference to him.
For what it’s worth – and obviously some of you guys (yeah, I talking about SmartAlex and Wayne) don’t want to hear about “square pegs/round holes” but to me it seems clear that when SAF sets up his attacking line-up he looks at how the other three are going to complement TheWayneBoy.
In October/November of last year, SAF went to the wall to keep TheWayneBoy at OldTrafford – ironically, Dimmy did the best work of his three-plus seasons at OT while TheWayneBoy was gone-walkabout and finding himself (I’ve never denied that) but it’s curious that once Rooney got his mojo back and Chicharito showed that he was no flash-in-the-pan that Dimmy’s playing time slowly got squeezed and then he flubbed his big chance in the FACup semi-final. After that, its been obvious that hes’ been dropped further and further down the pecking-order and played fewer and fewer MEANINGFUL minutes. I would say, therefore, that his place in the pecking order is not a figment of my imagination – or “fictitious” as you claim.
Finally, I would like to think that you’re jesting when you claim that ” the distress you cause is sadly felt world wide”. Apart from a small minority of fanatics – like you and me and the rest of the usual suspects – the whole wide world doesn’t give a tinker’s damn (or a fiddler’s fuck) about my opinions – or yours.
Denton, Facts, facts, and more facts. Better men may argue with you, but you are completely missing the point which I find surprising from someone so steeped in logic. Didn’t you read my previous considerate post? We are, after all, United compadres. All I am asking for is a polite reconsideration.
Why can’t you just accept us as being a sentimental lot? Isn’t that what fans are supposed to be – Sentimental. Being ruthless is what Sir Alex excels at and, believe me, if he thought Berbatov is of no use to him anymore, then our sentiments matter for squat. But that is the difference in being a fan, you are allowed to be sentimental. You are allowed to go moist in your eyes when a player you love comes back from a life-threatening injury and scores a goal. You are allowed to cheer for that forgotten player when he comes off the bench. You are allowed to cheer for the artistry of a simple back-heel against a dead Fulham side. Because that is what fans are supposed to do.
Sure, some of us may go for cold logic, like you above all others, above all else but that belies the point. Being sentimental is something most fans excel at. Most of all always think with our heart because we know the manager always thinks with his head. That is why he has provided us with unmitigated success over the past 25 years while we’ve eaten it to our heart’s content.
So, save the lecture on sentimentality because I will always have that on my side. If you want only cold logic in an argument, you are better off dialing Sir Alex’s private number and debating the pros and cons of playing Berbatov in a match.
Plus, most of us have never claimed Berbatov should get ahead of either Chicha or Welbz in the pecking order. In fact, all of us would agree that Wayne/Danny is the best partnership right now. That much is clear. Most of us just want a glimpse of him playing in a red shirt. This goes back to my previous post which you have obviously ignored. We know he doesn’t have time on his hands. But we love him all the same.
And why should we not? He has declared his love for this club and the manager despite not being in a position where he could really bargain for his worth. Sure, people like you, Samuel, NBI etc. are going to use cold logic to drive us away. Saying just because he says United are good and all that crap, we should play him. That is fine. But, as a fan, I have every right to love him for that. He could’ve gone for the money of City, yet he chose United. He could’ve moaned and complained like Ruud or Tevez, yet he remains silent. He could’ve spoken out against the club and the manager after the CL final snub – for whatever reason – yet he chose to blame himself for not being good enough. Now, for people like you who clearly take the heart and romance out of the equation and choose cold-heartedness and logic, you may not deem this as important. And, once again, that is fine. But, some of us, still have a simple love for the game left in us. We value such attitude from players in a day and age when it holds no meaning in football anymore. We value the fact that Berbatov demonstrates pride in the fact that United are the pinnacle of his footballing career and any move would be a step down.
The above entire paragraph will have little value for someone like you because it is, after all, “sentimental bullshit”. But it means a lot to me. It is the primary reason why I love Dimitar Berbatov besides his brilliant skills as a footballer, which, admittedly, you’ve never denied.
I am not asking you to change your opinion regarding Berbatov which is clearly not possible. All I am asking is for you to show a little compassion towards fellow United fans; to understand that some of us are a sentimental lot; to understand that Dimitar Berbatov’s attitude means a lot to us in this day and age; to understand that he doesn’t have a lot of time left in United shirt; to understand that we want to enjoy whatever joys he is going to offer us in that little time without you raining on our parade with cold, hard, facts every time.
Surely, I hope a man of your age, maturity and social standing will be able to understand our feelings. If you still want to continue to do the same and use cold, hard, logic against our sentimentality, then, by all means, continue. But I will lose some of my respect for you in the process. I know you may not give a damn about that and that is fine. This is yet another polite request, that is all.
denton davey – it is you that “doesn’t give a tinker’s damn (or a fiddler’s fuck) about my opinions – or wayne’s, or WillieRedNut’s, or Balaji’s on this thread.
You continue to advance your agenda while ignoring our polite requests on this thread.
A phenomenal post Balaji. Excellent indeed.
smartalex: Hello denton! Like a cuppa tea?
- denton: Berbatov is a square peg!
smartalex: Um .. cuppa tea?
- denton: You can’t argue. He can’t play for United!
smartalex: Coffee then? Or perhaps a fruit juice?
- denton: Gunga Din said Juice will destroy Bulgaria, so no one fiddles the tinker!
smartalex: Water? It’s been debulgarianated.
- denton: I like Berbatov! I never once said he’s a shower of shite!
smartalex: How about a slap in the face with a wet fish?
- denton: A swap deal! That’s the master plan! Dimi for anyone that can walk!
smartalex: I have to go out, when you’ve finished talking, please light this fuse and run!
SmartAlex @ 22:53: “You continue to advance your agenda”
I don’t have an “agenda” – I have opinions. If I had an agenda – what Balaji wants to call “ruthless logic” – then I’d deny anything good about Dimitar Berbatov’s career/skills/personality etc. But I haven’t assassinated his character or his ability, what I’ve said is that IN MY OPINION……”square peg/round hole” and so on.
Balaji (@ 22:48) wants me to desist from commenting about Dimmy (or about everything ?) because “ruthless logic” seems antithetical to the romance and sentimentality of following UTD. But we all take our fan-dom (or should it be “fan-dumb”) differently. It’s not life or death – it’s waaaay less serious than that !
SmartAlex @ 22:53: ” it is you that “doesn’t give a tinker’s damn (or a fiddler’s fuck) about my opinions”.” Well, sir, it’s just that my opinions are different – I ‘m amazed that you’re so sensitive that my disagreement with your opinions leads to hurt feelings and “a slap in the face with a wet fish”. (By the way, I had a nice piece of haddock for my lunch.)
OK denton let’s put it another way. On the topic of Berba you talk bollocks. And illogical, annoying bollocks at that. There’s no point in going over the details with you- again- as you have a blind spot as far as Berbatov is concerned.
Other than that your comments are usually a pretty good read.
All these comments and effort for nothing.He just ignores what we say, grabs a few words and wanders off about them. He will not acknowledge that this group of friends wants him to join but doesn’t enjoy his incessant and spiteful sniping at Berbatov.
Acknowledge that you understand that you make us unhappy, and that you care.
Or do your usual and ignore our thoughts, only to snatch a quote that you can attack. Don’t do that. Do not do it again. You are being rude and deliberately obnoxious and divisive. Don’t be the selfish traveller that leaves no water for the next man. We share RoM, and it is NOT a place for incessant attacks on Berbatov. Do that somewhere else. Open your ears and hear us denton!
All these comments and effort for nothing.He just ignores what we say, grabs a few words and wanders off about them. He will not acknowledge that this group of friends wants him to join but doesn’t enjoy his incessant and spiteful sniping at Berbatov.
Acknowledge that you understand that you make us unhappy, and that you care.
Or do your usual and ignore our thoughts, only to snatch a quote that you can attack. Don’t do that. Do not do it again. You are being rude and deliberately obnoxious and divisive. Don’t be the selfish traveller that leaves no water for the next man. We share RoM, and it is NOT a place for incessant attacks on Berbatov. Do that somewhere else. Open your ears and hear us please denton!
MrC @ 0:13: “you have a blind spot as far as Berbatov is concerned.”
I won’t disagree with that because I can’t see that he’s been much of a success at UTD. And, I’ll raise you one – I wanted SAF to sign the guy so it’s not as if I’ve been against the guy or “incessantly attacking” him as SmartAlex states twice for effect (@ 1:03 and 1:05).
In the summer of 2008 I was excited by the transfer and thought that he was EXACTLY the sort of player to bring out the best in CR7 and TheWayneBoy. He fizzled in his first two seasons – he wasn’t bad but he wasn’t good, either. He certainly wasn’t “the answer”. When TheWayneBoy got injured in April, 2010, against Bayern, it was time for him to step up and “justify” the transfer fee and the faith that SAF had had in making him UTD’s most expensive signing – he didn’t rise to the occasion.
I acknowledge that “speaking truth” makes some of you “unhappy” but you have to understand that we all support UTD – we just do it in different ways. Chauvinism is the last refuge of the desperate man and I see no reason to believe that whenever a player dons the red shirt he is beyond reproach. I want them all to do well – yes, even Kieran Richardson ! – but when they can’t live up to the standards expected of a UTD player then I believe that it’s necessary to say so. It seems to me that some guys just don’t like hearing my version of the truth – not THE truth, mind.
In the summer of 2010 my suggestion was that Dimmy had to prove himself to be a complementary player, assisting TheWayneBoy; in the fall/early winter of 2010/2011 I was thrilled that he was FINALLY playing centrally and forward, scoring goals, etc; BUT in the late winter/spring of 2011 he went off-the-boil and was replaced by Chicharito. I lost my hope that his earlier play was anything but a false dawn; then, the two misses against ManShitty in the FACup semi-final was like the last straw – and I was not alone in that opinion !.
It was only in the summer of 2011 I began to question his role – that’s when I started with the “square pegs/round hole” metaphor that seems to incense some people; and, now, there’s really not much to say except that he’s the fourth-choice and a very expensive insurance policy.
I have not read the scum comments on Evra ‘s thread, if it’s anything like the typical scouse will be vile a d nasty . As the saying goes ‘ an empty vessel makes the most noise’.
Disgraceful behaviour from the club.
Actually denton davey, it is you that has “to understand that we all support UTD – we just do it in different ways.”
You still harp on about why you’re allowed to berate Berbatov, completely ignoring our request. A starving man would die in front of your table full of food because instead of feeding him you would be arguing about Berbatov.
You should post an apology for ignoring the crux of what we say. Selective hearing.
@ denton:
The ‘he can’t fit our style of play line’ was exposed for the bullshit it is when Berba ended up as EPL scorer last season, despite limited opportunities. Ronnie and Tevez had long gone, while Wayne was playing both bollocks and money driven mind-games with the club for long periods of the season. To their credit Berba, Chico and Nani ‘stepped up to the plate’ to borrow your phrase and were instrumental in the delivery our 19th title. For Berba to end up EPL top scorer and yet not fit our play is illogical and suggests that he is an better player than even I would give him credit for.
Yes, much of the trouble with Berba lies with fan expectations. When Berba was bought some United supports thought that we were getting another Cantona, when in fact we had bought a ‘Bergkamp’, another great player whose game is very similar. Looking back it was all bit of a nonsense. There was and always will be one Cantona – IMHO the most important player ever in the history the club, even if not the ‘Best’
Pecking order? Dangerous nonsense. No shoe-ins has to be the order of the day. You have to mix and match upfront depending on form and opponents. Chico’s a top class goal poacher but other aspects of his game need work to deliver effectively against top opponents. Danny’s a good EPL level striker with great potential and runs about a lot (too much for my liking). By comparison, Berba’s talent is simply at another level altogether – world class. However all strikers need decent playing time otherwise their game will suffer. Berbatov – unfairly in my view – has not been getting his fair share of game time.
The ‘who plays with Rooney’ hegemony, which is trotted out regardless of how well Wayne is actually playing, is reminiscent of the ‘who plays with Gerrard / Lampard / whoever tabloid nonsense that blighted Scholes’ international career despite Paul being a far better player than any of his contemporaries.
It’s the nonsense and double standards of some shallow, small minded fans that annoy me. Berba misses a sitter against City and variously he’s single-handedly ‘put us out’ of the FA cup, shit and not fit to wear the shirt. Wayne misses sitters against Basle whic, by the same logic cost us our place in this year’s Champions League, and he gets a free pass…
Anyway, I’m happy that SAF is playing Wayne, who despite my ranting is a top class player, in a deeper and hopefully more creative role this season. Wayne’s a better ‘footballer’ than ‘frontman’ and playing him deep frees up places for our out and out strikers – Chico, Berba and Welbeck. You cannot build a team around any one player and Wayne’s game is neither good enough nor consistent enough for that. In fairness, no single player has a game that good at level United aspires to be at. We aren’t Southampton.
Suffice to say if Berba leaves us soon he’ll go to another top club and will do well. Class is permanent. But I don’t think SAF will let him go. United cannot afford to acquire a reputation for not being able to accommodate or bring on world class players properly (think Forlan) as this risks failing to attract others in future or holding on to those we bring through.
Mr C speaks the truth with calm conviction and considerate care at 13:43
Cudos, Mr C!
Mr C @ 13:43: “Berba misses a sitter against City and variously he’s single-handedly ‘put us out’ of the FA cup, shit and not fit to wear the shirt. Wayne misses sitters against Basle whic, by the same logic cost us our place in this year’s Champions League, and he gets a free pass…”
Very good point – and I concur.
The only rejoinder that can be made is that SAF seems to have “made a decision” about Dimmy after his two misses in the FACup semi-final. As you argue, even that argument would seem to suggest that SAF’s decisions are illogical since TheWayneBoy’s misses were even more costly.
If we deny the argument that SAF “made a decision” – or that he is illogical – then how do we explain Dimmy’s exclusion from the CL championship-final team-sheet or his subsequent marginalization from the first-team in this year’s EPL/CL season so far ? That’s where the issue of “pecking order” is relevant.
This is, I think, the question that hasn’t been answered – and – whether you are a BerbaLover, a BerbaSceptic, or a BerbaHater – it’s a puzzler.
denton davey – When Berbatov has just returned from injury and has scored a great goal, it’s more considerate to resist your urge to deflate excited Reds with your favourite puzzle. Poor timing, as has been said many times without your recognition.
Anyway, I have enjoyed your non-Berbatov posts today, they have reflected views much more aligned with mine (and others, no doubt), but that is not why I have enjoyed them. They were not a buzz-kill, which is a real plus! Even your most recent Berbatov comment is far friendlier. Keep it up sunshine!
@denton
“I how do we explain Dimmy’s exclusion from the CL championship-final team-sheet …”
Simple. Berba’s exclusion from even the bench at the CL final was a mistake. A rare one by SAF, but he’s human and sometimes we all make the wrong calls. We got pulled all over the place by Barca and had no plan B to offer anything different up front. Having Berbatov available would have at least given us a different option in terms of holding the ball up or adding some guile. Has Berba been ‘marginalized’? Perhaps. He certainly deserves more game time. Regardless, those preferred to Berbatov fared badly in the CL final. They disappointed again in most of this years Champions League campaign, which precisely defeats the point you are trying make.
Mr C @ 22:11: “Berba’s exclusion from even the bench at the CL final was a mistake.”
Absolutely – I wrote that after the match; similarly, not starting Nani was odd – to say the least. By keeping Dimmy off the bench and Nani on the bench, SAF limited his options. A serious pair mistakes that precluded Plan B.
@denton: Merry Xmas and Best Wishes for the New Year- We will never agree on Berbatov but a a Red is a Red.
MrC @ 9:44: “Merry Xmas and Best Wishes for the New Year – We will never agree on Berbatov but … ‘
RIGHT BACK AT YOU.
And, of course, it’s better to be red than dead, too.
Happy Christmas Alex fergusons red and white army…., utd4life