In the games where we haven’t got the result we wanted or just scraped a 1-0, it’s usually been a game we’ve totally dominated. Tonight was an entirely different kettle of fish.
Poor doesn’t come close to describing that performance tonight and there is absolutely no excuse for it.
Derby had more shots on target than us and they had more possession than us. This is the first time any team has done that to us this season. Whilst we could argue that Vidic is the only player who has consistently started for us this season, we had more than enough on that park tonight to get a result.
Roy Carroll gives David James a run for his money in the calamity stakes, yet we didn’t even really provide him with the opportunity to do so. We didn’t really test him.
Think back to our European Cup game against AC Milan a few seasons ago. After being second best for most of the game, we were set to travel to Italy with a 0-0 result from the home leg, with our best chance falling to Quinton Fortune. We’d probably get knocked out on that regardless but at least we had a fair shout of doing something.
Here’s the BBC report:
A costly mistake from Roy Carroll handed AC Milan the advantage in their tie with a narrow win at Old Trafford. Carroll spilled Clarence Seedorf’s strike late in the game and Hernan Crespo converted from short range.
The guy is a liability but we never even exposed that. Our shooting was poor. The few chances we did create were generally off target. Carroll wasn’t forced in to making any good saves, let alone great ones.
I’m not concerned. We played that team because we have Chelsea at the weekend. I am totally confident we’ll be in the final. But I’m not really arsed about that. It’s embarrassing to lose to a club like Derby, who got spanked by Forest Green Rovers in the FA Cup at the weekend, only to progress because of a late penalty. We had the quality on the park to at least get a draw, but we didn’t come close.
Still, it sets things up nicely for a result against Chelsea. Beating those rent boys is the only way we’ll save face this week!
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Tevez the worse player on the night! nothing more to say
Credit where credits due, Derby deserved to win tonight they played well and the goal was good, United didn’t turn up but the away fans did they did us proud yet again.
No worries yet though they still have to come to Old Trafford, and hopefully this as given us a kick up the fucking arse for the match against the rent boys.
Tevez didnt play well but nobody did so get off his back, Kuszczak is a embarrassment very poor from him dodgy kicking and couldnt collect any crosses/corners.
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Shocking !! its the only word i can think of.
Darren Gibson looked lost as did Welbeck.
Nani… well i really cannot work him out… he has buckets full of talent.. but can he lapses in concentration…and is totally Jekyl & Hyde.
John O’Shea… in my opinion if we could get £7m for him, i would take it.. as this lad had a brill 1st season, but has never progressed.
Scholesy… looked frustrated with the players around him.
Evans, Vidic and Rafael… didnt do too much wrong really…so aint gonna say nowt against them..
Where was Ben Foster?? I would have played him.. he wasnt even on the bench it was Ben Amos..
Carlos Tevez… he looked like he knew he wasnt staying…
Yes he run about and chased… but looked really rusty…
Anderson did ok… but not his usual energetic self…
CR7 would not put a tackle in and didnt look like he was arsed…
Wazza tried to get into it… as he always does..
Carrick didnt have enough time to get into it.
All in all i would go as far to say i havent seen a worse performance by us in 10 years…
I dont know if it was that half a dozen players had OFF days… or what.. i dont know.. but the one thing i do know is that we need to pull out fingers out against the cockney twats on Sunday…
I am really disapointed in us tonight… i really am… coz that wasnt us on the pitch… i could make the easy excuse and say that we looked tired… yes we did… but we should have enough in the tank to easily role over the likes of Derby for fucks sake..
Lets hope this is a lesson to them that they cannot turn up and just pressume that we are gonna win..
I love my club… always have…. but the real united didnt turn up tonight… for what reason i dont know… i just hope SAF does… and doesn sommat about it…
One thing i do know… is that Mike Phelan is not the answer to an assistant manager… far far from it.
Get of tevez back he was more frustrating then nani. You then say
“Kuszczak is a embarrassment very poor from him dodgy kicking and couldnt collect any crosses/corners.”
And you get on his back? What you dont realise when someone does not play in or out the lose form, Tevez has no excuse.
I am not going to comment on the subs because they weren’t on for long enough but I thought Tevez, Scholes and PIG were woeful and O’Shea smiling when we conceded WTF
There is something about Phelan, that I don’t trust
That was horribly depressing to watch. I don’t really know what else to say than that.
Rafael was another rubbish one. WE KNOW YOU LIKE TO GO FORWARD MATE but stop leaving us exposed at the back
Not the result we wanted but still not at all concerned about progressing – if we don’t beat Derby by at least 2 goals at OT we deserve not to progress!
Thought Vida had an excellent game in fairness to him but overall it was a very poor performance.
Bring on Chelski for a backlash!
Phelan, it’s the fact he never makes a move from by the side of fergie for me, how can you expect someone to suddenly start giving orders and jumping up and down after he’s had years of sitting loyally mute by Fergie’s side?….it defies human nature…not his fault though, United should have tried a lot harder to acquire a quality assistant in the summer….
O’shea i dont even want to start with him. Poor Poor player Hes too bulky heavy and clumsy and cant pass. I dont know why we have him…Utility player? hes not good in any position.
I have noticed how terrible we have been playing. No attacking instinct no zip passing and no flair. We cant even counter attack. The coaching system we have in place need to change, or we will end up with nothing. I cannot even remember a time where Manchester United have gone this long without scoring goals.
How is Fergie now going to approach the chelsea game is going to be interesting!
What an abject display. I understand some of the squad are tired and have one eye on some big ties coming up but the fringe players and youngsters have no excuse ,they should have grabbed the bull by the horns and shown why they should be considered for first team action. Here are some of my thoughts on players tonight:
Kuszczak – Once again confirmed what I always thought……Dodgy. Not to blame for the goal but looked suspect on crosses.
Evans – Very shaky and prone to getting caught out far too easily. I thought he was equally as poor against Southampton when he got caught on the ball a couple of times. Tonight the Derby forwards ran off him with ease. Have come to expect better than this. This is an ominous sign with Rio injured and Vidic suspended for the Inter tie.
Rafael – Full of promise but incredibly rash. Gets caught out of position all the time. I still think Wes is a shoe in at right back once fit again.
Scholes – Looked his age tonight. Gave away the ball countless times and provided no defensive shield whatsoever. The Derby midfielders breezed past him with ease. Hopefully this is just a sign of him returning ot fitness rather than the inevitable decline we all expected eventually.
Anderson – Looked really peppy in the first half but was playing on a 1 & 3 rythmn when the rest of the team was at 2 & 4. Got worse and worse as the game went on. Think he needs more games and need to be pushed further forward. Only 20 so time is on his side but is showing significant regression since last year. A little disappointing to say the least.
Nani – The enigma we have all come to expect. tricky but inconsistent. Was good against Southampton but awful tonight. Had some bright moments but didn’t put a decent ball in all night.
Gibson – Played out of position. neither hurt or harmed his case.
Tevez – Woeful. Finishing none existent, didn’t make a single telling run off the ball. Gave it away all night long. Shooting from distance was horrible and completely incapable tonight of holding the ball up. Didn’t even put in his trademark all action effort. On this evidence his Utd days are drawing to a close.
Wellbeck – Looked off the pace but mostly just isolated. No conclusions to be draw here.
What was most telling to me is the lack of options in midfield suddenly. Form options that is. With Anderson, Scholes and Nani playing tonight it is pretty obvious that they won’t be playing against Chelsea and therefore aren’t in Fergie’s first choice XI. So what is the first choice midfield right now then?
Park, Carrick, Fletcher and Ronaldo it seems. Sorry but as tireless and good as squad players Park and Fletcher are, they should not be in our first choice strongst team. But with hargreaves injured, scholes struggling for form, Anderson out of favour and now struggling for form, Nani unpredictable and Giggs just ancient, that is what we have. I hate to be pesimistic but that is just not good enough if we are serious about winning the CL again. Half the reason we have struggled to score goals this year is because the midfield is offering no goal threat at all. Carrick and Fletcher in the center are just so flat together.
Our worst performance after the Coventry debacle.This Carling Cup side has managed to get results at home but at a place like Derby where they expect United like it’s their World Cup Final this side would always struggle.SAF has decided to stick to his guns and that’s noble.He just said that the same team will play at Old Trafford.May i ask why we haven’t played with a regular first 11 for two consecutive matches?This tinkering has damaged the team.Scholes doesn’t know who his partner is,Ronaldo doesn’t know who will overlap him and Rooney doesn’t know who he will combine with in attack.That’s our problem when it comes to scoring.We can’t play with any real penetration because of the lack of a regular starting midfield and attack.SAF obviously doesn’t care about his cup record anymore.In 23 years his only domestic semi final loss was to Mourinho.Now he can say that he has lost to…that’s right!He lost to managerless Derby.Unitl today,i thought that a draw on Sunday would be a good result.Now i take it back.Only a win will do.I will not judge the players individually because i don’t think that today was solely their fault.I know i will rattle a lot of feathers here but i love Man United as much as you guys.Do you really feel that SAF can manage United on his own anymore?Carlos Quieroz is a bad manager,but he seemed to bring a voice of reason as SAF’s number 2 when things got bad.I don’t think Phelan can do that.
Agree with everyhing that has been said. Shocking performance – utter shite!
Sell John fucking O’Shea please!
I don’t know what else to write. Well done Derby.
Disapointing – but you know what if we ever need kicks up the arse, id much rather it at Derby in the Disney cup…..i.e. riot act read, underperformers dropped and now for the NY push. Bottom line is that in these type of games you have to have faith in the fringe and youth and give them the game time. If the dont perform then they dont get the chance so readily next time. Nani has been poor for me, Anderson was ok against Southampton!
It wouldnt surprise me to see a nice full strength team with Scholes, Carrick back – Rooners and Berba upfront and EVS and Evra also starting, and us be totally up for this game
Everyone is right about OShea.I was one of his biggest fans when he started out but he seems to have stalled in the last 4 years.We can’t sell him because at the moment we have no other cover for Evra.Tevez was never going to have a good game after what happened.I will also say well done Derby.Commons looks like a pretty decent player.
FERGIE GET RIDE OF OSHEA AND Kuszczak !!
Why wasn’t Van der Sar playing? Or Even Foster?
Oshea was by far our worst player on the pitch .. he kept going forward yet didnt add anything to the attack and didnt defend at all. Vidic kept covering for him at left back. Thank god Evra is BACK.
Kuszczak was soo dodegy why he kept coming out for corners and trying to punsh the ball is something i dont understand.
Nani as usual was trying to hard.
Anderson’s passing at times was awful.
Tevez had a bad game.
Rafael kept going up alot and it seemed at times that he forgot he was a right back.
Overall we were rubbish and deserved to lose 4-0 not 1-0
I hope that the players learnt something from this performance.
i rememeber last year when we lost to .. Was it City?
and had arsenal next and everyone thought we were going to lose but we won the game 4-0. i really hope we do that against chelsea .!!
United for the Title !!
Failsworth pretty much sums up players performances tonight, although thought Raphael was also quite poor tonight. Evans doesn’t always fill me full of confidence but still young and looks a very promising talent. Looking forward to Wes returning as at times for certain games we miss him at right back. Thank god Pat back for Rent boys. Vidic solid as ever. Yes, where is Foster? why do we never play him? Wellbeck, Gibson and Tevez were shocking. Scholes just could not get in to the game. Anderson played quite well. Nani at times played ok but some of his corners and free kicks were awful.
Not too concerned, we will still beat them at Old Trafford and thats all that matters as no points lost. Phelan does appear clueless and lost at times. No inspiration or spark there that CQ had or for that matter Kiddo as well. One good thing is we don’t often lose two on bounce but we will need to play alot better against Rent boys on Sunday, but then it will be a different eleven. Nobody looked at all interested or bothered tonight. As somebody else has said away support were excellent tonight. Very frustrated.
United don’t lose twice.
pig is an insult to a team like manchester united. i don’t think he got the ball once from croses/corners. i have absolutely no confidence in him.
that game was depressing as shit. it was like watching 11 retards trying to hump a door knob. with passing like that, united is fit to play in the mls.
Rafael was exposed on a number of occasions – he is still callow and too immature to be playing consistently at the top level.
I thought that it was impossible to judge the attacking players (Welbeck and Tevez) since they got absolutely no service from the wide midfield – Gibson did one good thing and Nani was inconsistent but mostly a liability – or the central midfield since Anderson was very poor and Scholes gave the ball away a lot. Evans did not fill me with confidence, either. Come back Rio. We need you.
All in all, UTD’s worst performance on the telly that I have seen in a long, long time. I hope that this was because they were looking past this game. What did SAF say ? He can’t be pleased.
The worst performance by players playing in a United shirt I have seen in years, the lads out there should have been embarrased at how they were comprehensively outplayed by Derby County.
The passing was woeful, they were second best to everything, the defence was a shambles, and the attack had no service whatsoever from the midfield.
Fergie summed it up nicely when he said we were lucky to escape only one goal down going into the second leg.
Kuszczak – Looked dodgy with any high balls going in and his kicking was as poor as usual.
Rafael – Had an off night, his runs down the wing didn’t have any effect until he had Ronaldo on the right with him and his positioning was poor which put the already shambolic defence under pressure. Made a few decent tackles but that was it.
Vidic – Had the tricky job of marshalling the shambolic defence and was the only United player on the pitch to have a half decent game and if it wasn’t for him then it easily would have been 3 or 4 to Derby.
Evans – Switched off at times which caused us problems and had several mix ups with O’Shea.
O’Shea – I don’t want to talk about it.
Gibson – Anonymous most of the time. Was stuck out on the right wing, put in a couple of threatening balls in the first half and did nothing else.
Scholes – Had a very poor game by his high standards, probably due to noone else making themselves available for a pass, putting him under extra pressure. Could have done better with the two shots he had.
Anderson – Might as well not have been on the pitch. Totally dominated by his namesake in the Derby shirt.
Nani – The usual, no end product and poor decisions.
Tevez – Hardly got the chance to touch the ball in the first half and didn’t do much with it in the second.
Welbeck – No service whatsoever.
Rooney – Couldn’t get himself into the game.
Ronaldo – Livened things up ever so slightly but is still out of form.
Carrick – Not enough time to influence the game.
United have lost twice in the past.Sunday will be different for sure but two things are required:heart and resilience.We know that SAF can inspire the players for the big games but can this season’s United hang against them for 90 minutes?
Oh and what’s up with SAF being so civilized?When i read the interview i thought he was being sarcastic.Then i saw part of it on the official website and he was dead serious.As if we were playing with Inter Milan.I will always remember his speech after the 3-1 defeat at Main Road in 2002:”Maybe i should let the supporters in the dressing room to give the players a piece of their mind”.It was so inspiring that United won 9 of their next ten games including Liverpool at Anfield and the invicible Arsenal.He is not doing the players any favors by protecting them from the press.They need to know that they have put in a disgraceful performance.Let’s also not forget that when we beat Chelsea in 2005 with the Fletcher header a big source of motivation was the controversial unaired Roy Keane interview.
I too agree with a lot of what’s been written above. A truly shambolic and disappointing performance tonight! I think Foster didn’t play because he’s still out with the hand injury he picked up before we went and won the World Club Cup.
Nani, O’Shea and Welbeck made a mess today. Oh wait, that’s the biggest understatement of the century. Ferguson should have sorted that one out. That said, other than Ronaldo’s introduction I really couldn’t find anyone who played half as well as they normally should. Maybe except for Vidic.
Come on. It was awful, yeah, but it only confirmed some things we already knew. Some poor decisions we’re made tonight, namely -
Nani – All the talent in the world, but no left foot. We cant keep expecting him to produce when he’s on the left. Ronaldo isn’t the same player on the left, just as Giggs never was on the right. He’s not gonna get a run in he side in the position he should be played in while Ronaldo is at the club, so view him as the back up that he is. Tosic was bought for a reason ya know.
Gibson – The lads only played a few times, but he’s clearly not United class. I have never seen anything from him to suggest he has enough talent to make it at this level. A championship footballer at best. Lets just hope Trappatoni keeps giving him caps so he can get exposure and we can get a fee of 2-3 million for him next summer in e year or two.
Kuszczak – Has he EVER taken a cross? Again, he’s not good enough. With VDS staying another year, i’m gonna assume that Foster is gonna go on loan again next season, then come back as number one. Therefore Kuszczak HAS to stay out of necessity of a back up.
The whole performance tonight was poor, but lets not over react. Wellbeck could have a future, as with Rafael, but both need to learn still. Anderson looked like a good player who hasnt played that much, Scholes was completely off the pace, O’Shea will never be more than back up and that’s a role he does well for us, Evans is still learning, and Tevez looked like he doesnt wanna be there full stop.
With a fully fit squad next season, and assuming that The Neviller, Giggs and Scholes are frozen out more than they currently are, we will be able to put out two very good sides -
VDS, Brown, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Ronaldo, Hargreaves, Carrick / Anderson, Tosic, Berbatov, Rooney.
AND
Foster, Rafael, Evans, O’Shea, Fabio, Nani, Fletcher, Carrick / Anderson, Park, Tevez, Wellbeck / Manucho / Campbell.
Now thats not so bad is it? Come on, we’ve got a lot to be thankful for, and one bad performance doesnt really effect that.
I can’t wait to head over to RedRants in a few mins to laugh at all the posters slitting their wrists over this result.
Fact is, its the Carling Cup, a distant fourth in list of priorities for silverware this year. And, as SAF said, we’re amazingly still in it. Who doesn’t think we can beat them 2-0 at OT in two weeks?
But fuck me I hope Tosic can play…..
I wouldn’t expect too much from Tosic right now.He hasn’t played in a month and if you can remember,it took Nemanja 6 months to start showing his true potential.I also believe that we can beat them at Old Trafford.That’s not what i am upset about.It’s the fact that the team has underperformed throughout this whole season epsecially in the goalscoring department.Before every game we say “this the one when we score 5 or 6″ and we end up winning barely.Tonight was even worse.We didn’t create any chances.I am trying to find a way we can beat Chelsea on Sunday.Evra and hopefully Rio will be back but they will certainly be rusty.On tonight’s evidence,SAF will go with Ronaldo,Carrick,Fletcher and Park in midfield and Rooney and Berbaton in attack.Once again we won’t have enough speed on our game and the dissapointing thing is that is our best team right now.Scholes is still a coming back,Anderson is having the second season syndrome others have faced,Nani hasn’t made any progress,Giggs cannot start these games anymore and Tevez is clearly affected by this whole situation.
One bad performance????? We were brilliant against Boro???? Stoke away then???? Sunderland at home maybe???? The reason for that performance was the midfield. They were over run and didn’t create anything going forward. I don’t understand why people say Nani is an enigma? This implies that he shows brilliance. When??? All I see is tricks, pace and no end product AT ALL!!! No quality crosses or shots or runs that lead somewhere. Without Vidic the score would’ve been worse. We still will go through, but these crap performances have been continuing long enough to be declared the norm.
Tonight we were pure utter shite.
Only player on the park that could hold his head up was Vidic.
O’Shea – so poor words fail me. He didnt offer anything going forward, leaving Nani with no support. Thank god Evra will be avaiable on Sunday.
Scholes and Anderson were piss poor in center midfield, couldn’t pass, contain, protect, tackle, track back or even get a shot on target. Longer the game went on the poorer they got.
Nani all over the place. No product from him all night.
Did Tevez just arive from Argentina off the plane at 7:30. Played like it, like a old tired bee buzzing around a elephants arse! No threat
After the saints game I though wow Welbeck does look good. Talk about a let down. I know he didnt get much ball but the numbers of times it was played to him and it bounced off himn never held it up once to at least get a attack going. Played to him It just came straight back. Nut he is still so young hopefully his true form is his Saints form and not tonights?
Gibson is a pure center midfielder. He is like Carrick/Fletcher pure shite on the wing. Any one remember how poor Scholes was out wide? Though he looked ok when he was brought into the middle with Carrick late on.
All night our tempo was so poor, ponderous and slow. sideways back sideways back all night long(when we didn’t give it away).
Suppose now we will be getting Derby fans on like those scouse scumbags saying as they beat United they will win the PL. 20th Jan Ass kicking time
Why is everybody saying Gibson played badly? I thought he played well, considering he has hardly played a game for us. He has a lot of potential, and he looked very comfortable when Carrick came on. He is a centre midfielder, yet Fergie played him out on the wing, which was a pretty horrendous choice.
Scholes, Anderson, Tevez were all very poor
Rafael was shocking, I have still yet to see where the hype has come from, he doesn’t appear to know how to defend.
Welbeck, no judgment can be made on the lad, he hardly had a kick of the ball.
Vida and Evans had good games.
But finally, O’Shea and Nani. The two worst players I have seen play a lot of football at United in my life. Worse than Richardson. O’Shea jack of all trades, inept at them all too. Nani, his ego has inflated after scoring 2 crackers last season than a good game vs Arsenal, has done absolutely fuck all since. Every time he gets the ball I fell like looking away as all he appears capable of doing is “shooting” and giving the opposition possession.
Fergie had better give Nani the hairdryer treatment or he will stay stuck in the mindframe of “shoot shoot shoot, I still get picked even though I can’t shoot”. Hope I don’t see him on Sunday.
These two players together make each other look even worse. Can’t wait til Sunday when Evra is finally back. Hopefully Wesley will be back soon too.
Team for Sunday has to be:
Edwin
Neville
Vida
Rio
Evra
Ronnie
Carrick
Anderson – He had better have a cracker, coz the fans are looking like fools singing his chant.
Park
Berba
Rooney
Subs – Fletch, Welbeck, Gibson, Evans, Kuszczak, Tevez, Scholes
Fair play to Derby for coming out and seizing the initiative when they saw the teamsheet. A lot of other teams would’ve gone ahead with 10 behind the ball regardless.
Vidic was the only guy to come out of that with any respect. Even Evans stuttered.
I also can’t believe we wasted Rooney and Ronaldo’s time getting them warmed up to play 20-odd minutes of a match we clearly had no chance of winning. Rooney perhaps, ’cause the lad has bags of energy and is probably the only one who could play 90 minutes every day of the week, but Ronaldo? It just smacked of desperation, which is even worse when we still have the return leg to go.
As has been said, watch the panic commence and the media bluster despite it being the fourth trophy of four in our list of priorities and a return leg at OT.
Ben Foster injury again
I know it was poor.. it was disappointing..
But i think it’s really unfair for us to blame everything on O’Shea.. He was a brilliant product of MUFC Academy.. And in those years, he wasnt even a defender. He was a midfielder. It was our manager who used O’Shea as utility player too much. If any of you can recall, we used to call him the Figo Nutmegger! He was a brilliant dribbler. Actually I was frustrated with how things have changed for him. He was sacrificed. I agree that we can get a leftback cover than O’Shea, but he was meant to play in the midfield!
And in other way, we have 6 games in just 17 days. It’s a bit too much to ask the boys to win all of them, play top form in all of them. So if I am given a choice for an off day, then this is the best choice.
All is not lost yet. In Fergie we trust.
Fucking crap motherfucking idiots who cant kick a football for their lives. COME ON YOU REDS!
totally disagrees with those comments above. BAD ratings given. those good ratings are just given because of your fav players.here’s a better one:
PIG: as clumsy as always , doesn’t react well against crosses. I RATHER see him play than foster. Just because he is not english doesn’t mean foster is better. I don’t see foster any better than him. 6
Rafael: given the balls away so cheaply. woeful upfront. a couple of exciting dribbles up front only. ronaldo seems to motivate him much.6
Vidic: where is he ? Evans are the one clearing those mess against derby? can’t really blame him either. never perform badly in the game, never really do much.6
o’shea: really bad. never really contribute with crosses. look more worse on defence. Leaving poor evans to stop the left side. 5
Evans: Considered the best defender in the game.Makes vidic average with his performace. 7
gibson: average. never really do well. 6
Anderson: woefu,i got to say. bad passing 5
scholes: Poor scholesly. looks unstable in couple of moments with poor short passes. its teammates make him looks bad. Couple of good long range-SHOOT! good long passes as always. 6
Nani: nothing to say about him. Lapse of concentration as always.5
Tevez: HOLY shit. worst performace i see from u so far.4
Young Welbeck: sad dude. Worst player in the game. can’t even timed his running for the ball. Just standing down there, didn’t even chase for ball when passes are towards him. Derby defenders have easy time bullying this starlet. 4
ronaldo: inspire us with couples of dribbles. nearly rescue us his two freekicks and a shot. can’t do much.6
rooney: nearly connect well with tevez with a chance. can’t do much either.
Carrick: should really be starting the game but with chelsea game coming/… brought calm into the team. sub into the game too late.
Kuszczak will be our no 1! ANd fuck off your stretch. Leave o’shea and PIG another. SColding o’shea just because of a game? remember liverpool game? u shite. And what makes u think foster is better? Foster looks shit against blackburn.
Kuszczak will be our no 1! ANd fuck off your stretch. Leave o’shea and PIG alone. SColding o’shea just because of a game? remember liverpool game? u shite. And what makes u think foster is better? Foster looks shit against blackburn.
Who noticed the abcence of Berba yesterday ? Ha-ha.
Carlitos, dream on my friend.
didn’t we sign david petrucci from roma? wat happened to him? he was said to be the next totti:) please don’t say about kussak.. he makes all sick..
Absolutely pathetic performance. I hope we recover in time for the visit of fucking rent boys…
Can we get Kaka? Please? Pretty please?
Anon,
its a dream. favourite player outside ManUnited. i adore him but its a fucking unachievable dream.
we bought Anderson – the atacking player. new Ronaldihno. Bur SAF made the defencive player out of him. It’s fucking boring.
kaka, that’s the most pointless suggestion I’ve heard yet, let’s take some roaming ‘man behind the striker’ (because we are definitely short of them) who plays against shite nearly every week of the season in what must be the slowest pace league in the world. Kaka, I’ve heard it all now…sell berbatov while we are at it should we and then have to change the system? The squad’s fine, we are champions of the world, europe and england, we lose a game where the motivation was clearly not there for whatever reason and we have to be rid of half of the squad and sign Kaka apparently…more like bring in a quality assistant who coaches to get everyone going a bit and sort out our tactics…bring Queiroz back, I can only hope Portugal keep losing
Jake
you don’t understand the meaning of the word DREAM
i’m joking my friend. no one is panicking.
why are you dreaming about him? what would he do for us? no offence mate but there’s a lot of hyperbolic stuff on here and dreaming about Kaka at United is up there with the best of them
Only caught the second half of the game & agree that it was a poor performance.
I lost count of the amount of misplaced passes, especially from Rafael. Thought Gibson’s footwork was actually quite impressive when he moved to a central position, spread the ball quite well and showed some finesse in tight spots. Didn’t see the first half so can’t comment but sounds like he provided very little from out wide (Which is hardly surprising considering he’s a central player).
I think it’s time we all come to terms with the fact Nani is a lame duck, he’s had buckets of chances and apart from 2/3 performances has been completely ineffective.
Anderson is a long, long way off replacing Scholes or Keane in midfield. the kids got potential but you could count the number of good performances on one hand. I’m afraid we look a bit ridiculous praising his arrival and claiming he’s a better player than Fabregas; he needs to do a hell of a lot more and week-in week-out to even compare.
Rafael needs to be sat down and told the basics of defending, his wandering out of position is extremely naive and will haunt him when he’s promptly dropped to the bench during important games. I think we miss Wes in a big way but would hold a lot of hope for Rafael in the future, he has plenty of time to learn his trade.
Wouldn’t be so quick to call for Foster in goal, what proof have we that he can perform at a high level? An appearance for England? Agree he has a better chance of displacing VDS than Kuszczak, who is never going to be our first keeper.
You know what you get with O’Pie in the Sky, he’s an average player who will frustrate at times and surprise you with a goal or a lovely ball at other times. Nothing new there.
Looks like Tevez is gone, he didn’t look interested in impressing the manager which speaks volumes. It’s unfortunate considering he’ll only really cost us £20 Mill, we paid £10 Mill for 2 years of his service and it’s practically unrelated to the signing on fee. If he walks in the summer someone could pick him up for £22 Mill and we get stuck with paying £10 Mill with zero return (Bar his contribution).
EDIT:
Don’t mean to sound too gloomy in above post, was a bad performance but not the end of the world, we have the best squad in England and probably the world so I aint complaining!!
if we can win three titles by this team then we can do it again. but presently what concerns us is the form of midfield. its numb from the begining of the season and u can’t expect berba and rooney to score against a settled opposition unless u’ve got an efficient midfield.
scholes: he is one of my all time fav. so it really hard to see him wasting the ball. he is aged for epl.
carrick: he is inconsistent nowadays.he is highly under pressure and lacking quality attack these days.
anderson:he was an attacking mid fielder. but the situation changed him a lot. he was expected to be a great player by the end of this season. he still can. he should be more attacking and supportive . let him free. fletcher:he is under tremendous pressure it seems. but i love the way he plays. he is very similar to carrick but when they both combine the mid field is almost flat.so choose between them for a cdm
park:he is a good team player but no one considers him dangerous without those killer crosses and all.
nani: he is going out of grip? he is makin a real mess of life by his inconsistent form and corners. he or park can be out of team if it goes like this because the introduction of a left footer , Tosic,wil underline the fact.
CR7: HE HAS TURNED TO BE A SHADOW OF LAST SEASON. He is no where near his worst form. he haven’t shown his high class this season. sometimes u can’t see him in screen. is he trying to be a waste so as to get out! man u can’t expect someone to change a lot by just 5 months.
giggs: he is a legend and i can’t say anything about him. u guys know him. a lifelong manchester fan. he knows whats haunting the club and we have no rite to talk about him. IF THERE WASN’T SOME PLAYERS LIKE HIM THE CLUB WILL NOT HAVE BEEN AS IT IS TODAY.
gibson,possebon still has to go a long way.
when the season is over we can get the service of Hargreaves. he is always injured. PLEASE GOD DON’T MAKE HIM PRACTICE MORE. IF HE DOES MEANS WE WON’T BE ABLE TO SEE HIM FOR NEXT 2 SEASONS:D
Jake
he was the world’s best player last year.
what would he do for us ?
well if you think every ballon d’or winner would walk into United’s team and make a difference there’s not a lot of point in discussing it with you…maybe we should have been praying that Cannavaro signed for us two years ago too? and now we could do with the evangelist Kaka who doesn’t bother to tackle and roams around taking the mick out of average Italian teams or teams without a recognised defensive midfielder..stability in players and manager is clearly the key to success, just look at Chelsea….you sound like city’s sheikh mate
@Drew Vader: Nah the wrist slitting from the Red Rant muppets wasn’t that bad, lol. That was a HUGE surprise.
Jake
if you start your reply with comparision between Kaka and 35 year old defender it’s also not many points to discuss. let me remember how many “tackle specialists” we have at our team now. the days of the old british hard teams are gone. and again it’s the matter of the personal opinion. and of course you just do not understand what is to dream about. i like this fucking player, what can you do about it ?
i thing the best thing is to keep your thoughts about this matter to yourself. no offence and good luck .
no, you said he was ‘best player in the world last year’ (assuming you were referring to his ballon d’or win) therefore we could do with him so it’s your reply that was lacking thought, I was merely pointing out the shortcomings of your argument..It’s not about tackle specialists, it’s about all-round game…and I actually think you (the sheikh) with your Fifa 08 cover should keep your thoughts to yourself as they’re purile and distinctly lacking in any proper analysis aside from ‘he won the ballon d’or, therefore we could do with him’, city’s down the road corea.
There’s been a lot of analysis above of individual performances, but, for my money, the reason we lost yesterday is because we didn’t compete.
They say that you always have to earn the right to play, and we looked awful because we were second to everything… It’s my biggest frustration that United lose for this reason (I’m also thinking of Anfailed earlier this season), because players can be out of form, not having a good game, but there’s no excuse for the lack of effort… Derby, like Liverpool earlier this season, wanted it more, it’s a simple as that… you can look at individual performances – and while I’m on that, Rooney should have come on a lot earlier for Welbeck (couldn’t trap a bag of cement last night) – but United have to match the opposition’s work rate… It was summat the kids of ’92 were good at…
Talking of kids, I also think that playing the current crop (by that, I mean the reserve kids, such as Gibson and Welbeck) works when it’s at OT and they’ll have more time on the ball, but not away from home in a semi-final… Although I should add that they’re gonna have to learn somewhere how to adapt to battles…
Jake
i don’t play Fifa my friend. )) I don’t play computer games at all. ))
i support ManUnited since 96. why city is so fucking popular nowadays ? they are bothering you so much ?
assaulting is not the best thing for the healthy conversation my friend.
if you watch the 2006-2007 season closely you will see why Kaka was named the best player in the world. it is not the case of the award and it wasn’t my main point. how can i describe you why i love this player ? how can i describe why Scholesy is my favourite player ?how can i describe why i love Sarah Polley ?
stop you insinuations, it’s so simple my friend.
That was a really Poor performance from United yesturday, we made Kris Commons look like Ibrahimovic! but hats of to him a great goal nevertheless. Im starting to wonder why we have absolutely no adequate cover for certain players and it dramatically shows when you have the likes of O’Shea covering for Evra and Kuszczak covering for VDS these are vital positions on the field and when we are not able to field the first choice, a club of our size should have adequate upstarts available that are ready to seize the oppurtunity to shine. I am shocked at the peformances of some of the players more than others, Nani, O’Shea and Kuszczak did exactly what i knew they were going to do……..Nothing! I thought this season we were going to see more from Nani but he has done nothing consitantly for me to say… yes, he is worth the money we paid. this may not go down well but Welbeck and Gibson would not get anywhere near Arsenals youngsters let alone ours (they are not any good), Scholes should have been rested because he surely could do a great job on Sunday, Rafael will be a good player in the future but needs to learn the defending trade if he is to be truely class and Anderson i hope will never have a worse game in the shirt (is he eva goin to score???) But for me the most suprising of all was Tevez. He is completely playing for himself at the moment which I am ashamed to say the club have brought on to ourselves due to his contract fiasco. we need him and the rest of the strike force to be on point for run-in and we have not helped ourselves by allowing the speculation around his future to circulate. If we are not goin to keep Tevez then i hope SAF has a an adequate replacement for the next season. The main worry now is that we have got a must win game against Chelsea on Sunday and half our first team spent last nite running around like headless chickens! We have to regroup signifcantly and take last nights performance as a reality check so that on Sunday we can show Chelsea what WE can really do!
Worst performance in a long time.
Following Points Fergie must learn from:
(1) John O Shea is and will never be a United Player, sell him in this window to City for 5 Million.
(2) Gibson should be played in the middle if you choose to play him at all.
(3) PIG is bad – very nervy & Foster should get a run asap
(4) Nani has potential and i would not give up on him yet but he must be told when to release the ball and tactical to pick up better positions to receive the ball, he should also cross the ball earlier.
(5) Tevez should be signed immediately as this speculation has killed the poor kid, he looked a pale shadow of himself.
(6) Im also worried at the lack of speed & intesisty in our game, ever since the start of this season and also maybe with the purchase of Berb, we have played at one pace & no speed compared to last season. Why is this the case, is it Berb? & Tevez out of form or an ageing scholes but we need to sort it asap before my worst nightmare occurs and the scum scousers walk off with the title!
Come on United!
My list of what should be done:
- Sign up Tevez and get the whole issue dealth with.
- Tell Nani the next game is his last chance.
- Sell Gibson.
- Remind Ronaldo that Real Madrid won’t pay shit for him unless he bucks up his idea’s!!!
- Tell Evans to get some fuckin heading practise in or he can get lost back to Scumderland
We’re dead lucky to get another chance …
Calm down. It was a pretty good result considering that UTD had only one significant chance – Ronaldo’s free kick – while Hulse could have/should have given Derby a two-goal cushion. SAF stated afterwards, through pursed lips, that he was “happy” (I think he meant “relieved”) that it wasn’t 4-nil; me, too, because that kind of scoreline was not unimaginable.
This was never going to be an “easy” game – just like the fixture at Stoke; Derby had their backs to the wall and went all out to impress their new manager. What they lacked in class – and this can be overstated since almost all top- and even second-flight players are tremendously gifted athletes – they made up for with effort and teamwork; UTD lacked both effort and teamwork.
For me, the disappointing results of the game were seeing the “baby emperors” (Welbeck, Anderson, Nani, and Rafael) without clothes and witnessing one of those Scholes’ walkabouts when he was basically clueless. I don’t for a minute think that – somehow, all of a sudden – Welbeck, Anderson, Nani and Rafael are, therefore, bad prospects; what they lack is not skill but consistency. Welbeck never won a header from a long ball; Anderson seemed confused about going forward or staying back; Nani ran into dead ends and crossed poorly; Rafael needs to go back to “elementary defending” class. Gibson didn’t embarrass himself; Jonny Evans played OK; O’Shea did a journeyman’s job; Vidic was caught out by Kris Commons, giving him a free shot; and Carlitos was just plain out-of-sorts. Paul Scholes is usually the very picture of consistency but every so often…..last night was one of those !
I would very much like to believe that last night’s “performance” will have absolutely no bearing on Sunday’s match-up with the RentBoyz. And, I am more than certain that SAF will let his charges know that, too. You could see that he was damned-near exploding but he probably wanted to save his rage for the bus ride back across the southern Pennines.
What can I say? Judging by the reaction of a lot of the ‘responses’ here, “Thank God it’s SAF in charge and none of these fuckwits” would be about right.
He may make the odd mistake every now and again, but everytime he does and I get frustrated, I take comfort in reading some of the dipshit comments from some of our supposed fans to put things into perspective.
Also, Jake, regarding Kaka: Yes, he’s overrated, I agree that much, but he’s still a class player. You don’t do what he did to us in the 06-07 CL semis and (what he does to most International teams with Brasil) without having exceptional talent.
True, he does exactly what Ronaldo does, which is wander in and out of games at will. The difference between the likes of Kaka, Ronaldo etc. and average players who go missing is that because of their ability, they can be absolutely devastating when they choose to be.
my point was he wouldn’t make a big enough difference to our team. I don’t want some evangelical Christian running around getting on everyone’s wick….Ronaldo’s far better than Kaka….and I made the point he tears up teams without a recognised defensive midfielder which I think we were in those semis.
Spoiled rotten, us United fans!
When ever we lose or play badly, the same old, boring comments come out.
Bring back CQ! Fergie has lost it! Scholes is too old!
Every time!
We deserved to lose last night, we were passionless. We didn’t lack ability or skill, we didn’t lose because of match fitness. We didn’t lose because Fergie cannot pick the right formation, or because we fielded the kids.
We were totally void of passion. The hunger wasn’t there and it was totally the opposite for Derby. That game meant everything to them, yet we couldn’t be bothered and resorted to LONG BALLS! LOADS OF THEM!
It is however, only one game! It was a long time coming and I am glad it’s out of our system and I am fully confident we can over come Derby at home. Chelsea first though and let’s hope Nani doesn’t start, he’s one player I do not like right now.
jake: the midfield that night at the San Siro if I remember right was Ron, Fletch, Carrick and Scholes.
I could be wrong…I was bemoaning something though as I remember, either Fletcher’s marking incompetence or Carrick’s, I thought it was Carrick…..anyway, still don’t want him haha
We don’t need him Jake. I agree with you on this.
Fair do’s Jake.
And yes, I think we’re all agreed we don’t need him. Perhaps if we hadn’t've signed Berba and Carrick, but those two combined give us way more options more than he would anyway.
Simnohla…couldnt have put it better myself with the man for man analysis.
Costas spot on also………with mickey mouse phelan comments.
Whiteside 10…true we just didnt compete….we needed fight and guts and hard work…not thinking a 10 minute glitzy spell would do us and we would overcome lesser opposition, that was our mentality yesterday as we went throw the motions. Nevs..park…even manucho with strength etc etc would have been better suited for derby’s passion and work rate….Instead of nani gibson etc.
Why the fuck manucho doesnt get games i do not know…lad has plenty of potential. And no doubt with CQ about he would have got more games. Infact an interesting question…nani and andy have both gone backwards in their development since last year. Losing CQ i think has contributed to that. As mickey mouse phelan surely clearely does not have the calibre and respect and nouse. And these lads have suffered and have been stifled.
Manucho would gives us something so different in these games…with his drogba style. Anyway it was the worst utd performance ive seen in 30 years, however we’re still in it. And as SAF said…that was a fantastic result…we could and should have lost by 3 or 4. And we’ll take any deficit to OT and derby will rue those missed chances. I hope so anyway..,,seeing we dont score much more than 1-0 these days.
PS.
Jake…hows it going lad??? You respond to our banter/argument so quickly…however i offered an olive branch lad…did you not read my last 3 comments on that thread?? upto you lad..bury the hatchet. Made it in good will..yet you ignored it. Which wasnt nice..lol
Upto you anyway…thought enough was enough
Same problems as we’ve had all season, only more so. ‘Express yourselves’ is not enough, we need some organisation. Missing Carlos Queiroz. One team wanted to win last night, for the other it was just another day at the office. Grim.
Who do we play at right back against Rent boys? In my opinion it will have to be Nev. Cant afford for Raphael to get caught out of position against them cunts but then the speed of Gary concerns me. Just have to make sure midfield help him out. Looking forward to Wes s return.
Was Queiroz that much of a difference maker? Maybe i’m wrong but I haven’t seen the old United since he left. I don’t know a lot about what the assisstant manager does but Carlos seemed to be a lot more visible and in tune with the players. Maybe ronnie just trying to get out, maybe we expected too much from Nani and Anderson maybe but they are still young and obviously have loads of talent. By theway I agree with dude who was talking aboutAnderson being turned into a defensive player, I ttally agree I thought he was supposed to be like dinho type scoring threat and I ain’t seen to of much of that Is that Fergie and/or positioning or better comp I don’t know. I do know they better clean it up quick or were going to get embarrassed
Why does anyone care? Or why was anyone suprised?
The worthless cup is utter shite anyway, we have been dumped out by teams like York City, Southend, Coventry, and now a loss to Derby, its because no one really gives a shit, have you ever seen United lose to teams of that calibre in the fa cup?
The worthless cup is a no win situation for United, if we win it everyone says thats not good enough for United, if we lose to Derby everyone says how shit we were.
The sooner we are out the micky mouse cup the better as far as I am concerned.
Good point well made, Tom F… And to elaborate on the long passes point, I seem to remember Ferguson mentioning in the early part of last season that he’d made a conscious point of bringing in players that can run with the ball – go past players, in other words… In my opinion, this hasn’t happened anywhere near as often this season, which is why we’re struggling to score goals… when you have someone who can go past one or two players, it brings other opposition players out of position, thereby giving our strikers more room… at the moment, we’re trying to pass our way through an organised defence / midfield, which is proving much more difficult… It’s the same problem Chelsea are having at home, I believe…
Anyway, enough of my basic tactics truck ideas… As for the Chelsea game, if Rio isn’t fit, then I’d risk playing Nev at Right Back (as his reading of the game is better – ie he’ll cover for Jonny Evans when he gets dragged out of position)… otherwise, I’d have Anderson and Carrick in midfield (although I suspect Ferguson will play Fletch instead of Anderson)… Berbatov and Rooney up front, and Ronnie and Park out wide…
My preferred team for Sunday would be this, based on the fact that Fergie said Rio should be back:
……..EVDS
NEV RIO VIDA EVRA (thank god he’s back!)
….FLETCH CARRICK
RON PARK
…….ROO TEV
I really am starting to miss the Rooney / Tevez partnership, obviously I have nothing against Berbatov, and know he’s class but would like to see a performance of old.
Pretty obvious when picking a first choice team, but I’d have Park and Fletch for their work rate and ability to close down as well as get in to decent positions. Neville for his decision making. Rafael finds himself out of position quite a lot, which is ok against most teams but not when Ashley Cole is bombing down the left.
I trust Fergie to pick the best team and as always think we will win!
Yeah agreed then, Nev at right back, his experience in these games is invaluable. I would also go with Ron, Fletch, Carrick and Park in midfield. I am a fan of Anderson but don’t think he has earned his place just yet for this type of game.Also Park so he can track Boswinga up and down the flank. Personally would go with Berba and Rooney up front. Just waiting for Berbatov to have an outstanding game and am hoping this will be it.