1. We all know United do things the hard way but at no point did I think we would lose to Wigan yesterday. If not for dreadful decisions by the linesman at the weekend, Wigan would have beaten Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, but I underestimated their ability and the impact the sense of injustice from the Chelsea game would have on them. We were second best. They worked tirelessly, similarly to how Althetic Bilbao played against us, whilst we lazily slopped the ball around, showing very little creativity or desire to get a result. It was a disappointing reaction to the eight point gap we achieved on Sunday.
2. That said, the result of the game was dictated entirely by the incompetent decisions of the officials, this time in Wigan’s favour. Their only goal of the game came from a corner which should have been a goal kick. You didn’t need a replay to see that Phil Jones got nothing on the ball and his reaction to the decision to award a corner said as much. Shaun Maloney then scored a great goal after shrugging off Wayne Rooney. Not long after, Figueroa clearly blocked a Jones cross with his arm in the box and nothing was given. It was a clear penalty. After all the fuss that has surrounded top teams getting decisions, can we just agree that the officials are incompetent and can’t do the job accurately without the help of video replay?
3. It feels like history is repeating itself, with fears that United just aren’t good enough without Paul Scholes in the centre of midfield. Remember having these thoughts last season, as we worried that Scholes would hang up his boots in the summer? These fears were proved valid, particularly in light of the injuries to Tom Cleverley, Anderson and Darren Fletcher, as we struggled during the first half the season. It’s no coincidence we’ve overturned City’s big advantage at the top of the table since Scholes has come out of retirement. Ryan Giggs just shouldn’t start for United. I still think he’s got something to offer and he’s a decent enough option from the bench but he can’t hack it over 90 minutes.
4. It was a disappointing display from Rooney, who was subbed off for the second time in the last four games, although it would be unfair to put all the weight of expectation on his shoulders. Chicharito was poor yet again and whilst Danny Welbeck was more effective at winning the ball back, the best chance of the game fell to him and it was all to easy for Al Habsi.
5. United have now put more pressure on themselves than necessary, with what was a pencilled in three points at Wigan now seeing City decrease the distance between us. Essentially, we need to go to City with more than three points between us and I don’t see that being a problem. At the least we should keep it at five though by beating Villa and Everton at home. Hopefully yesterday was our blip over and done with.
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Giggs in CM makes me cry.
A really bad day at the office!
FIRST
Why does Fergie still play Giggs in the middle when he knows that the opposition would work very hard. Remember the Newcastle away game? What is the point of having Pogba and Cleverley if they can’t get games?? Oh, first btw
egg on face much
Sorry TC
Giggs is always lost in the middle, never in position and always plays the wrong ball.
If he hasn’t got the pace to be on the wings any more then he needs to retire, he’s done enough for the club and everybody thinks he is a Legend. Neville quit because he didn’t have the legs anymore.
Don’t know about 2. I felt their goal in the first half could have counted and more importantly, Evans didn’t get a 2nd yellow. That was quite a letoff, not so much in this game, but for the next one. But yeah, the 2 that went in their favor were more costly.
As for Giggs, it wasn’t the first time this season that he stayed on the pitch even though he didn’t have a good game (Fulham and Liverpool also come to mind). I don’t know what to make of it. I’ve said it before. We rely too much on the veterans.
The funny thing is that at this time last season Giggs looked more fresh than Scholes. He was playing well (as a CM mind you) whereas Paul looked like a player on the verge of retirement. Now the roles are reversed.
matches like this make me miss keano soooo much…
Actually Giggs has only been taken off in the Premiership in 2012 and that was in the 89th minute…
Poor form Scott….failing to mention Phil Jones’ woeful display yet gain. He’s at fault for their goal. Yes we’re all know it wasn’t a corner. He was too busy protesting and complaining about the decision like a little child that Maloney went straight passed him as if he wasn’t even there. His defending is a proper shambles! He’s not good enough and is robbing a living playing for the best club in world football. I’d give my left bollock to be in his position and watching him wearing that famous red shirt makes me ill. Poor display yet again from him and he’s cost us again it has to be said. He’s a liability and couldn’t even finish the game at the end so it was like we were playing with 10 men. What a joke! Yes the team as a whole were not at the races but Jones’s performance sticks out for me above the rest. Woeful. Enough said. Rafeael should have started ahead of Jones. Why change a winning formula. Him and Valenica have really gelled the last couple games so why chop and change. Scholes…well what can u say ha? Our lads should have been ok to win the game without him being on the pitch.
Come on lads! Dust yourselves down + deliver this 20th title. Starting on Sunday. Hopefully Scholes, rafa will be back in the mix and we can get 2 home wins in a row. We’ve let city back into it and I just hope we don’t slip up again. Come on United!
Well played lad’s you’ve managed to give impetus to City a team that had chucked it and at the same time heaped pressure on United.
@max
Since you ignored my post on the last point re your differing attitudes to Jones and Rafael, here it is again, for yours and everyone else’s benefit:
As for your bumming of Rafael, I could cherry-pick moments from his Utd career that make him look like a catastrophic buffoon and a liablity, far more than I could with Jones.
I happen to think Rafael is becoming a fantastic player. But guess what? It took a good few years of stupid sendings-off, poor positioning and overly-cavalier attacking before he became even close to looking dependable. You remember, back when he was erm.. 19? Like Jones is now?
Fucking stupid reactionary attitude, which I’ll be more than happy to remind you of if you crawl back on here in a few years’ time when Jones is fucking bossing whatever position Fergie asks him to play of a Saturday.
I await eagerly for your intelligent response.
All around terrible match. Giggs can be so frustrating in the center.
kanchelskis.
He may well be bossing a load of games in the future.But one thing is for sure it wont be from the right back position.there he’s hopeless.
Bad day at the office and everyone agreed Dowd and the assistants were dross. But Wigan defo had the run of play in the first half and everyone watching thought we were very very lucky not to be one down in the first half.
We move on and hope Scholes is back for Villa. That thought perks me right up.
I broadly agree with Scott, but the impression given that United will easliy beat Villa and Everton seems as misplaced as expecting Wigan to be an easy touch. I don’t want to go all negative or over-anxious, but I do wish people wouldn’t just expect points to drop into our laps like low-hanging fruit. Every match now is a cup tie for our opponents, whether its Blackburn, QPR or Wigan fighting relegation, or ‘middling’ teams such as Fulham, there are such huge bragging rights coming to anyone who beats United it can be trumpeted as a club’s greatest ever result, like Wigan. I can see the kids at Villa making a scrap of it, and Everton will want to make sure they finish up higher than Liverpool, especially if they’re out of the FA Cup (one of many reasons we must all hope they beat LFC). Swansea will want to show their good publicity as a football-playing team is justified and Sunderland will want to finish the season on a high. In other words, none of these last five matches are going to be a walk-over. I say this not to put the wind up anyone, but to help foster a realistic mood around the players in the next few weeks. I don’t want another performance like last night’s, or another set of team selections like Fergie’s.
Finally, lay off Phil Jones. He’s only 19, he’s had a series of injuries, he’s never been in a title-race before, and he’s still a very promising, whole-hearted young man. I see no grounds for scapegoating him for the failures of others. It’s unfair and unpleasant.
Everton win
City draw
United win
Will make my week end!
Several people suggested DeGea was our MOTM v Wigan. I know that says volumes about the Wigan game, but taking it as a positive for how outstanding DeGea has been. Really starting to like this lad.
There is a link to a stats article that pips DeGea at the top of prem keepers, which is pretty good for the highest fee ever for a keeper. 18yo and first season in the prem.
Article also gives high marks to Wayne Rooney at the other end of the pitch. Bit thick in the numbers department, but the results are welcome enough.
http://www.optasportspro.com/en/about/optapro-blog/posts/2012/blog-assessing-the-performance-of-premier-league-goalscorers.aspx
As I said on another post, defeat is part of the game, but what hurst is the attitude the players had yesterday. I thought Evra, Rio, Carrick , Rooney and Giggsy would carry out the team last night and ensure that we’ve won. Jones is not at fault for being played in a position he does not really fit well.
Had we raised our game just 20-30 % in the second half, we would have taken something out of the game, if not everything.
Nevertheless, we should look at the bright side of things. We are still 5 points ahead, and we need to make sure we win both matches before we go to Shitty. we will then be in a very strong postition again.
We get it Max. Jones shagged your mum. Get over it now.
I’ve been saying this all season, but I really think having a squad with the size and number of full first teamers as we have is counter productive. Too many times (at least 3 or 4) we change a winning formula to “give some of the lads some minutes” and It has almost always cost us points. If a player is not showing form to get into the first team, or a first team tiring, then he should not be inserted into the playing team.
Right now we have in my mind 4 players too many filling sporadic roles reserve players can fill.
With the exit of Berbatov, Owen, and perhaps Park and possibly even Anderson, less rotation will be done next season and 2 players brought into midfield if Scholes or Giggs retire (which in my mind I think is the right decision but unlikely as per SAF)
A squad of:
GK: De Gea, Lindergaard, Amos
DEF: Rafael, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Smalling, Jones, Evans, Fabio
MID: Carrick, Cleverley, Pogba (hopefully) , Scholes/Giggs, Fletcher, New Signing 1, New Signing 2
WINGERS: Valencia, Nani, Young
STRIKERS: Rooney, Chicharito, Welbeck, Macheda
Surely this team will become an even bigger force next season! However maybe SAF also needs someone at his side that can offer us a new dimension in terms of tactical planning and a plan B when necessary also……
No. 3 re scholes and giggs = Spot on. Is Fergie the only one who doesn’t know?
Giggs doesn’t know how to operate in the centre of midfield. I would be happier with youngers players there depsite not having the experience i.e. Pogba or Cleverly.
Fist jones is 19 and not a right back so cut him some slack. Giggs is a winger converted to the centre and 37 we should not be counting on him to run a midfield as soon as I saw the team last night with giggs instead of scholes I knew we would drop points but I didn’t think it would be as bad as we saw. And everton sunderland and city are gona be harder to beat than wigan. I think were in a bit of trouble esp. If city win on saturday as costas wrote on a previous post our temprament this season when the going gets tough is in question. Let’s just pray the god that is saf can bring us through to the end. And I’m not even religous.
@Kanchelksis – I’m not talking of the Rafael from a couple years back. I’m talking of the Rafael today! The Rafael who has been absolutely superb for the last couple weeks! He’s defended like a boss, got a couple assists, should have had 2 goals and his general play and passing has been first class. You can’t fault the lad. He gives his all. He’d die for that red shirt! He gets in peoples faces, is determined as fuck, plays with no fear, gets on with things and shares the same passion for MUFC as most of our fans. U simply can’t compare the 2 of them and to be honest! The same just can’t be said of Phil Jones who the night before last was declaring his love for b-burn all over twitter when they lost late on to liverpool. Rafael is young as well and so what that he has had a couple seasons at United before jones. Jones has been playing in the prem league for Blackburn for a couple seasons now so what difference does it make. Its not as if Rafael has started every game for the last 3 years caus he hasn’t. He’s had injuries + has been in and out the side all the time. So jones should be able to handle it. Event though he is still young etc but the hype surrounding the kid when he first came to United was insane. People were saying he was gonna be the next MUFC + England captain…comparing him to Duncan Edwards and so on. So a player with that hype should surely be able to handle the pressure of what its like to be a United player and should be able to do a decent job when called upon and he simply hasn’t done so. Simples. He’s not up to it. I’ll repeat this…there was honestly no reason to go out and buy this Jones fella…no reason whatsoever when he had young lads last season in smalling, rafael, fabio, evens etc fighting for places in the team. He’s upset the whole works at our club and we have suffered greatly this season because of it. Nobody knows what Jones’s best position is. Its a joke not even he himself knows. So Fergie keeps on having to change the defense around all the time to accommodate the lad therefore we simply just can’t settle on a solid back 4 to play every week. Shit like this doesn’t happen at a madrid or a barca. There’s no continuity! The team can’t move forward. Smalling did unbelievably well last season when called upon and it was his first season with us. Yes he made the odd mistake here and there but u can’t compare him and jones. Jones has cost us dearly this season and at crucial times as well. Smalling has also had to pay the price at the expense of Jones. He can hardly get a minute on the pitch these days and it quite unfair on the lad.
I stand by my thoughts on Jones. I do hope he proves not only myself wrong, but so many others who have criticized him lately but at the minute I just can’t see it happening.
@ Giles. Excellent points. All our remaining games MATTER TO SOMEONE and not just to us.
This loss to a motivated Wigan team must serve to refocus us on the UNFINISHED job at hand. Incompetent officiating aside, we must decide our own and not let bad calls be an excuse.
You say Wigan got the decisions but Moses should of had a goal , this just influences people’s idea that we always moan about the decisions a lot of things have been going for us lately and not for Wigan
Costas – Great point on the scholes-giggs role reversal…I agree
Ruud Van SomethingRooy misses us
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Apr/Ruud-van-Nistelrooy-reflects-on-his-time-with-United.aspx?pageNo=2
Jones has a few bad games since he came back from injury and suddenly he is useless?
Plastic fans always appear when United lose.
Bloody hell, where was Vidic when he was 19 years old?
Kanchelskis
Hi mate. I shouldn’t bother anymore mate. Max was obviously willing to give Rafael time to develop but obviously won’t do the same for Jones. You’ll be going over and over what has already been discussed and getting nowhere. I am gobsmacked by his willingness to keep this debate going and you would think he knows Phil Jones personally and for some reason hates him.
Anyway
We have lost games before and weather or not one player was to blame is history. From what I’ve read the whole team is being blamed for underperforming. We have to move on and look for a reaction against Villa on Sunday. COME ON REDS!
Voting open for United player of the year.
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Cries for Berbatov are falling on deaf Glasweigan ears…
JONES IS A FUCKING LIABILITY IN DEFENCE – SIMPLE. much better in midfield but he’s been shocking in defence all season (when actually defending, not going forward)
Giles
Well said. This defeat hopefully will give us a wake up call. I was starting to worry with all the comments saying 20 is ours and the poster who went under the name Giggs13. we all know at this stage teams are fighting for their premiership lives and I knew Wigan (Who I really want to stay up) wouldn’t be a pushover. We have a Tough game with Everton at OT and an even tougher one at the Council House. Villa will play out of thier skins as will Swansea and Sunderland.
Also
This fella is getting really unpleasent now. Slating a Player for declaring his love for his boyhood team. If I played football for any other club I’d still be a Utd fan through and through. He really wants to start realing it in.
Fletch
I like the new keeper ,he’s alright. SAF has done his homework well.
Seriously though He won us the point at Chelsea and was outstanding against Blackburn, Bilbao, Fulham etc. The list goes on. This Guy will be a Legend I just hope Madrid and Barca don’t come sniffing.
Marq
Shitty have the same problem with Plastic seats of the Blue kind.
Why did SAF made cahnges to a winning team.
1. Rafael was playing well and was helping Valencia on the wing. Yesterday Valencia looked lost. Jones needs to improve as right back.
2. We really missed Paul Scholes.
3. Hernandez of 2011/12 is not the same Hernandez of 2011/12.
4. Where is Berbatov ?
5. Why Young was taken off at Half time. Was he injured ? he was doing well .
6. We looked very edgey at times.
Hope we return to form as soon as possible.
@Keano86 Imagine what Roy Keane must think to himself when he watches this Jones fella play in the famous red shirt he once wore. Dear me……
Calamity Phil Jones
Why did SAF made cahnges to a winning team.
1. Rafael was playing well and was helping Valencia on the wing. Yesterday Valencia looked lost. Jones needs to improve as right back.
2. We really missed Paul Scholes.
3. Hernandez of 2010/11 is not the same Hernandez of 2011/12.
4. Where is Berbatov ?
5. Why Young was taken off at Half time. Was he injured ? he was doing well .
6. We looked very edgey at times.
Hope we return to form as soon as possible.
James21 Interesting point about spanish clubs coming in for DeGea. When we were looking for keepers several suggested keepers who were already playing in the first team for Spain and I said there was no way they would leave. No english clubs could compete with the amount of money a top spanish side will pay one of their national lads.
Interesting thing about DeGea is he came though Athletico system where they really do hate Real. Never heard David interviewed on the subject, but it would be interesting. Only reason Pepe is still at pool is that he is 3rd or 4th choice for their national team. If he was first choice, I almost guarantee you he would be playing in La Liga.
I simply do not understand why any United supporter would wage such a relentless campaign against any United player as this Max character has been doing over Phil Jones. In typical internet fashion, he hides his identity as he gives it large on his expertise that is evidently superior to that of the most successful manager in English football history. Max Who has made his point, which we all got long ago, that he doesn’t rate him, thinks Fergie should never have bought him, and wants him out, over and over and over again. I cannot for the life of me see why anyone would want to do that, even to someone playing for a rival team, let alone the one they supposedly support. Max may be right, Jones may be useless and won’t last, but with five games to go in a season where United could win an historic 20th title it seems a very odd – and I’ll say it again – a very unpleasant thing to do to keep attacking the least experienced player in United’s squad. It does nothing to help him, or the team, the normal objective of a football supporter in commenting on the team they allegedly back. Perhaps Max thinks we’ll all give him credit for his prescience about Phil if United are overtaken by City for the title. But I wouldn’t bet on it.
I was not totally surprised by the result last night, we have not been playing well. The worst case scenario could happen, we win the 2 home games, lose at city and draw against Sland. but I said the title race is not over on sunday. Hey we are still 5 pts clear, but lets make one thing perfectly clear, we got to take one game at a time. 7 pts in the next 3 games will be enough for me to retain the title
@Giles Oakley
You are not supposed to understand him mate. Trolls work in mysterious ways. Sadly the internet is full of them.
Bad game or not, it’s criminal blaming Jones like this after the season (first season at United at the age of 19) he’s had.
Even winning the title, if, if we actually do, will not hide the fact that this United team is one of the worst in the last 20 years. It reminds me of AC milan a few years ago. Too much reliance on the old guard and not enough quality. We need fresh talent in a few areas, but it’s no good buying average players, we have lot more of them, just compare the team to the 2008 one.
Fletch
I hope DDG hates Barca and Real as much as I hate Shitty and the Job dodgers. I think he’s a good lad who wants to be at Utd, ATM. Personally hope I’m barking up the wrong tree but it something that we might be faced with in the future.
Oh, Everton are playing well, so have Wigan. We could be in a for a rough ride, we underestimated wigan, if we do it with Everton and first Villa……. Make no mistake about it, City see an opening.
@ Giles. I genuinely believe that IF Fergie had not bought this Jones fella, we’d have won the league by now and still be in the CL. I’ve said this countless times and I really feel that there was absolute NO need whatsoever for us to get Jones in. If Jones hadn’t been bought either Rafael or Smalling would have made the RB position his own. Smalling and Jonny providing cover to the 2 CB’s Rio and Nemanja. A proper solid back 4 would have been played each week and the lads would have got good continuity, trust and most importantly a solid rythem to their game. Its all very well having a big squad and competition for places etc BUT I’ve found it to have a negative impact for us and results this season have illustrated my point clearly. U don’t win leagues, CL’s and cups by changing the team on a weekly basis. Shit doesn’t work that way and that’s a fact! U need a solid back 4 for starters and I feel the defense is the most important part of any team. Its vital. Look at the carrick – scholesy combination in recent weeks and look at how successful its been. We need continuity. Even though that’s a midfield combo, playing players weekly in their preferred positions wins you matches and results speak for themselves. Rio and Jonny is another one. they’ve been immense the 2 of them and thank fuck Fergie hasn’t decided to throw Jones in their as well.
Look at Barca for example. The reason they have been so successful is caus they basically play them same 11 week in and out with only a number of small changes here and there. And results say it all. They have dominated football for a couple years now.
So its just my opinion and u can all call me a cunt but I don’t give a fuck to be quite honest. This Jones lad has messed our team around in a big way and therefore I genuinely believe that if he had not been signed things would have been different…
As Wigan started bright, SAF should have shifted to 4-5-1 with Wellbeck wide and Rooney as a lone striker. When a result is needed an we are pushing teams like Wigan backwards,
Berbatov of course is a much better striker than both Wlb and Chic. At last Giggs should never start central in a 4-4-2. Seems like we have lerned this lesson before.
Biggest reaction
Our fans are spoilt Bastards and think our fans are fucking robots. Fuck me these lads play week in week out and so far have been magnificent.
All the Giggs haters need to chill, is our main centre midfield no of course not, but it was only 12 months ago he was ruining everyone week in week out at hone and Europe. Norwich away a month ago won us the points.
Fans on here saying what Fergie should be doing, fuck me I forgot he was the most successful manager of all time and has led us to countless good times.
I hate coming on after drop points it just makes you realise how shit a large % of our fans are literally glory hunters.
Fuck me support your team and say it was a bad day at the office. Look at the league table if you feel sad, five games left five points ahead.
Where is bebe??? his nani misses him! in bebe’s 1st season at manutd, many people gave him stick,why shouldn’t jones get some stick as well. Once you put on that red shirt, age is no longer an issue, you just have to put in your best. Being 16 or 19 years is not an excuse to give a poor showing, but in truth anyone can have a bad day or a poor run of games, the important thing is being able to rise above it. I believe in our players an our team as a whole and i know they will deliver the trophy we eagerly await.
APRIL 11, 2012 AT 21:51
Saad says:
TonyBee
Your stupidity and lack of class is unparalleled. You’re not even worth cussing.
Pathetic
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Just had to re-post this …….with my answer….
Lack of class…… unparalleled pathetic stupidity…….
at least I support Utd unlike you with your negative ramblings……. and I feel you are worth cussing….
Kindly go fuck yourself and take your stupid alter egos with you….cunts like you make me sick.
Let’s make note that the teams we play wish to prove a point against us. The same goes for city.
On the topic of the reactions. WHY IS SMALLING NOT PLAYING? I’ve been championing a return to the starting line up for him. He is one of the most stable young defenders I have seen in a while. He thrives under pressure and in the big games as he showed last season. He has been in this situation of chasing the title like last year. PLAY HIM FFS.
I expected to win last night – took the three points for granted in fact. seems like Wigan hit the ground running straight from the whistle, and that, along with challenging our boys every time we got the ball, prevented us from getting into OUR game. But if someone at the start of the season had told me we’d be 5 pts clear at this stage, I’d have been delighted. And I am!
@ point no 1.
WE can´t balme the refs ffs. The lineman was kind enough to give us a free card on Wigans first very fine and correct goal. If I were Martinez I would suspect FA and the refs doesn´t want Wigan in te league anymore. A good goal was disallowed there, they got one wrong corner, so what. 19 out of 20 corners shouldn´t be goal. And we should have got one pen….not a certain goal. So don´t blame the refs please. They pratically gave us 3 points against QPR.
T
Of course we can look at poor decisions fuck me when it goes United’s way we have to read and watch the injustice for days on end.
I was there last night and Dowd was fucking inept. Rio and Giggs were in disbelief at many of his decisions. Caldwell was a thug just kicking people and getting away with it.
Fulham never got a pen against us and the outrage was insane yet we had a pen denied in the same game and fuck all, last night again a stone wall pen and fuck all.
United were shit we got beat but you can’t sat don’t blame decisions it wasnt a corner and we should have had a pen. So in your theory if it was even it should have been 1-0 from Moses anf we should have had a pen.
Scottt: “United just aren’t good enough without Paul Scholes in the centre of midfield. Remember having these thoughts last season, as we worried that Scholes would hang up his boots in the summer?”
Scott, this is rank revisionism. From what I recall, last year – down the stretch – the midfield pairing was MIchael Carrick AND SirRyanGiggs. At the end of last year – in the CL final – TheGingerNinja was done-like-dinner. He thought so, too. His renaissance since the turn of the year has been nothing short of miraculous but let’s keep the facts straight.
Sara Malaysia: “matches like this make me miss keano soooo much…”
matches like the one last night make me miss DarrenFletcherinho in his “football genius” mode.
FletchTheMan @ 18:20: “No english clubs could compete with the amount of money a top spanish side will pay one of their national lads.”
Wrong on several counts.
First, there are only two clubs in Spain with any money/credit and both Madrid and Barca already have top keepers who are still relatively “young” – Casillas, for example, is the national team captain and is 30/31; Valdes is 28/29.
Second, the Spanish economy is going into free-fall – just like the Greek economy did in the autumn – so there won’t be any “amount of money” outgoing for transfers for professional footballers
Third, only non-Spaniards get that tax-free arrangement that equates to a 40% “gift”, created to help RM in the galactico era.
Giles and Giggs and James etc. Spot fucking on. Is this Max for real? Blaming Jones for our Champions league exit. You couldn’t make this up. You win as a team and lose as a team. I vividly remember every cunt raving about Jones early season and his crunching tackles on Bale etc. Now all of a sudden he is single-handedly responsible for us dumped out of Europe and not wrapping the title up already. Never even seen Max on here. Why do all the spoilt cunts who will never have even been to a United game come out after a defeat. The arrogance of some too is a joke. Oh we should hammer Wigan. How dare our players not perform after a run on eleven wins and one draw. Its truly fucking sickening.
i reckon norwich might get something out of shitty ya knowww, Just need to win our next couple of matches up to the derby and if norwich get a draw out of shitty then we will be 7 points clear and just need a draw to win the title at wastelands! that would be a perfect scenario…
@max 17.19
Spot on with
your thoughts.
Phil Jones has a heart of a lion. Maxine has the heart of weasel.
Jones rocks
Jones is a beast, I believe that now & i believed that then.
Keyboard warriors are out in full force Fancy a united fan hammering Giggsy, Jones, Chica, Young over a defeat which happens to be a first in 12 matches. Mind you, we are 5 pts ahead with 5 games left where a month ago, it seems like an impossible task given a tough season.
Its Giggsy ffs. I’d clobber a person’s head if he dare say nasty things bout him. From where I come from (singapore), Giggsy is a footballing god. Just 1 bad game doesnt mean a thing. So pls spare a thought for the billions who are regular visitors to this amazing blog of your tasteless insights of the game. Bet some of these assholes cldnt even kick a ball straight..
Pls respect this amazing blog. If you cant control your emotions, do it elsewhere (bluemoon) where they talk shite about us. Hey max, u sound a bitter blue!
We would have won the league now if Jones was not playing? What drug are you on? HAve you forgotten the period that we were without Rio & Vidic early in the season? If Jones was not here, our Carrick would be playing in the middle of defence, and we all know how it went.
max is typical of a plastic fan who trolls the internet like he is some noble prize winner for managing a winning football team. Have you got a call from City yet? I reckon they are looking for a new manager. Or you could try your luck at Chelsea and Liverpool.
anything more retarded than trying to be first to post and only posting the word ‘first’?
apart from failing, no there isnt.
Stop kidding yourselves people. Jones is shite and that’s a fact. Smalling is a much better player in my opinion. Smalling was consistent the whole of last season. So Jones had 3 or 4 decent games early in the season. Wow, big deal? That doesn’t count ffs. U have to be consistent @ a club like MUFC. You can’t perform for a couple games and then go to sleep for the rest. U can’t let complacency set in and having watched Jones play the last couple months, it seems he has let playing for United go to his head a little and it has reflected on his performances. Who gives a fuck about age. So what that he’s 19 years old…well he’s actually 20 now. He looks like he’s 25. Look at giggs, scholes, beckam, butt, nevilles etc. The hype surrounding this kid has gone way overboard. The new Edwards? A future England + MUFC captain? You’re avin a laugh!!!! I’d rather we have played Ritchie de Laet at rb ah ahead of jones against wigan ffs! At least that’s his natural position. You can’t make some1 play in like 5 positions and to excel in each one he plays in. Football doesn’t work like that. Its all about continuity, finding your rythem and experience. A centre back doesn’t become a right back overnight and a centre back also doesn’t become a centre mid over night. Its a piss take! Nobody knows where his fuckin position is and its disrupted the whole squad and that’s a fact! We can’t move on, get continuity and find a genuine rythem to our play caus Jones is continuously being played out of position which has been detrimental to our chances and form this season.
Phil jones has a heart of a lion??????? Really????? Falling to the floor and complaining and crying like a 5 year old every time he makes a lunging tackle. Limping around for the last 10 minutes and basically letting us down when we needed all our players to fight for the cause in the last few minutes to try and get a point. Do me a favor?? Would Roy Keane have wobbled around like jones for the last few minutes complaining about his fukin sore leg. NO HE WOULDNT HAVE!!! He would have soldiered on and got on with it. He let us down when we needed him most. Even Fergie had a pop at him after the game. so if Fergie can have a go……….
And jones had a black bird. He aint shagging nobody’s missus.
Smalling > Jones. Rafael > Jones. Fabio > Jones. Evans > Jones. Michael Keane > Jones. Michele Fornasier > Jones. Ritchie de Laet > Jones. JONES OUT!!!!!
Get lost max, changing your name doesn’t change increase your logic braincells, which is already limited
Phil Jones has got loads of ability and potential. Anyone saying ‘he’s shit’ or blaming him solely for defeats is deluding themselves (in my opinion).
I have to admit though, that I was worried when I saw the team sheet. I don’t think he has done well at right back, and would much rather see Raphael there- he’s much more suited (and used) to that position. I also agree that Smalling has been more consistent as a defender, when given the chance.
Not saying that Jones couldn’t do it at right back in the future, but on current form I think he’s a strange choice there. Don’t see how anyone can slag him off for being injured late on though – no subs left to replace him.
It was one of those games where Fergie’s team selection was a bit baffling (like Blackburn at home), and the timing and choice of substitutions too.
With Scholes starting, I think the game could’ve been very different. Was he carrying a slight injury or just being rested?
I think Giggs has still got something to offer. He’s come on as a sub in games and provided match winning or match saving assists/passes, but I agree he’s not the best starting option in centre mid. How Fergie used him away at Blackburn was spot on. Keep the game controlled, good possession and nothing silly for for 70 mins, then bring Giggs on to help open it up when the opposition’s tired.
I also think Berbatov would’ve been a great option to come on for Hernandez. Wellbeck’s finishing has been poor recently. Couldn’t see who was gonna get us a goal, especially when Rooney had gone off.
United looked very tired that night. Wigan have been playing really well for weeks. The bad feeling before the game started was justified! Hopefully they’ll put it right against Villa.
All too easy exposing Maxine. You’re on the wum and troll list. Jones is loving banging your mum.
Phil Jones shagged Max’s mum! – Some quality posts from you to that cunt.
Marq – It IS the same geezer yes mate. They both use @ for at. The Edwin one even said “I agree with Max”. Is there anything more odd than having conversations with yourself? Fucking freak. Get out more Maxine.
All you whining bitchez, stop calling yourselves United fans and put the Scouse robe on. This place turns into a Latin soap opera every time we drop points, oohh the drama!… Could have, should have arguments are pointless at best since, you guessed it, they have NO bearing on Sir Alex’ decisions, so why do you put US through all your personal horror?! Dogleash might be better at consoling your crying eyes, fan whores
1. But at no point did I think we would lose to wigan 2. United have now put more pressure on themselves than necessary, with what was a pencilled in three points at Wigan 3.At the least we should keep it at five though by beating Villa and Everton at home. Hopefully yesterday was our blip over and done with.
As a United fan for over 40 yeaers ,people like you and your arrogance really piss me off.We have no devine right to win a game.I have never expected United to win any game just because of the opposition Wigan or whoever it is.For fucks sake Stop giving us a bad name. Tony
LOL wow man this is crazy. some guy goes all kamikaze on Jones and blames him for everything and others just going all out to defend him. I don’t think that Jones had a good season with us, but that max guy is a troll for sure.
I also don’t agree with SAF selection though. The biggest proof that it was flawed is the result. e lost to a relegation battling team and we didn’t just lost we were DOMINATED BY WIGAN. No sugarcoating this. The guys put immense pressure on themselves and us for their no show. Some blame should also go to SAF, How can so many armatures (including myself) know that Giggs and Carrick in the middle against resurgent team or any team for that matter isn’t a good idea and the boss still players them is just baffling.
last thing should go to our forwards. They have been really useless recently.
I love giggsy, but I feel we need to use him as an impact player, to win us games in the second half. What this game did show is that we still lack a truly quality midfielder, we have been spoilt in the past with robson, ince, keane and scholes, the last two especially. We need to invest and bring in ready made world class CM.
The Phil Jones slating is as ridiculous as the shit aimed at ddg early on.
Young lads adapting to a totally different way of life & expectation.
Prior to injury just before xmas Jones was my player of the season.
As max chastises Jones by praising Rafael, as pointed out already, Rafaels had plenty of bad moments & costly ones at that(bayern at home as just one example),
The difference was that people just accepted it & moved instead of erecting the fucking gallows.