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Reactions To Victory Over Crystal Palace

Match reactions1. It’s safe to say I’ve watched more enjoyable games of football but we got the job done without really getting out of second gear, so we can’t complain too much. Crystal Palace started the day four places above the relegation zone, so of course we were favourites to win at Old Trafford, but there are no guaranteed 3 points against anyone, particularly without Sir Alex Ferguson, so I’m happy to get the win. When you consider we’re now on the same points as Chelsea and City, two teams all the media have predicted will finish above us, despite us playing Chelsea, Liverpool Swansea and Palace, compared to City’s fixtures against Hull, Cardiff, Stoke and Newcastle, we’re looking good.

2. The big disappointment of the day was seeing Anderson in the starting line-up. At the beginning of every new season it’s hard to dismiss that nagging sense of optimism that this year might be the one for him to fulfil his potential, but he always manages to disappoint you. He contributed nothing to the game really against totally mediocre opponents. With an hour played, David Moyes finally decided enough was enough when Ando fell on his arse in the midst of a United attack. With over an hour played, the Brazilian completed 32 passes.

3. The biggest excitement of the day was probably seeing our new signing, Marouane Fellaini, for the first time. He was welcomed with a big cheer when he replaced Anderson and every subsequent touch got some sort of reaction from the crowd. It’s impressive that in half an hour, Fellaini managed to complete 41 passes. It doesn’t tell the whole story, but it’s a handy way of showing just how much more the Belgian was involved in our game in comparison to Anderson. In his limited time on the pitch, he showed off his passing ability, keenness to tackle, as well as having a good effort on goal. When he played against us, I dreaded us conceding corners. It’s satisfying to think that opponents will be shitting themselves when they see Van Persie running to the corner flag and Fellaini waiting in the box. Even if he just draws defenders near him to allow our other players more space, I’ll be happy. It’s clear Fellaini wasn’t a transfer priority but he is certainly the type of player that we need. I look forward to seeing him start alongside Carrick in future games. I can’t believe we’ve actually bought a midfielder! And what do you think of the chant, circulated only on the Internet so far, to Ace of Base’s ‘All That She Wants’? “All that we want, Marouane Fellaini, he’ll score tomorrow, all that we want, Marouane Fellaini, woaah.”

4. Ashley Young is an unpopular player amongst the fans and did nothing yesterday to endear himself to the support. Early in to the game he was booked for diving, after throwing his trailing leg in to the defender. He didn’t complain, at all, suggesting he knew what he was guilty of. He then went on to win the penalty that put United 1-0 up and saw Palace go down to ten men, but replays showed the foul began outside the area. Given that Young went down well in to the area, the ref can hardly be blamed for awarding the penalty, but we were fortunate. As for the red card, a clear goalscoring opportunity was denied, so that was the right decision. It’s a shame that after the game Moyes argued the decision was correct because Dikgacoi was the “last man”. FIFA rules removed the term “last man” years ago, given the “last man” can make a foul without preventing a player from an opportunity to school (if at the corner flag, for example). Come on Dave, let’s learn the rules of the game eh.

5. I was surprised to see the inclusion of Fabio and Anderson in the starting XI, but I was more surprised to see Adnan Januzaj on the bench. Not because he didn’t deserve his place there but because he’s only 18-years-old and I hadn’t anticipated him being given a chance so early in to the season. The youngster was subbed on and played with bags of confidence though. United looked far more threatening down the left wing for the last 20 minutes than they had all game with Young. This lad is quality and I am desperate to see him fulfil his potential at United.

6. One of the best moves of the game came when Michael Carrick won the ball, pulled off a delightful Maradonna turn, before Rooney played in a perfect ball to Van Persie. He volleyed against the crossbar but had that gone in it would have been am early contender for goal of the season. Van Persie took his penalty well though and it’s great to see him on the scoresheet again. 3 goals in 4 games.

7. I was surprised to see Antonio Valencia criticised after the game even though I can acknowledge his efforts had little end product. If we look at the stats, he completed more final third balls than anyone on the pitch, but his performance was about more than that for me. Maybe I notice it more because I sit a few rows up from the touchline on the wing he attacks in the second half. Last season the frustration over Valencia grew and grew, despite me being a big fan of his, after he seemed to totally lose his bottle. He wouldn’t run at players and became so indecisive that he would be tackled before he made his mind up on what to do. He was like a goldfish, seemingly forgetting where he was and what he was doing (and who he was!), with him just stopping and doing nothing. He wouldn’t cross, pass or run at the defender, but just stand still and wait to be tackled. It was bizarre. Valencia clearly shared our frustration when he superstitiously rejected the #7 shirt after just one season of wearing it. In yesterday’s game, whilst he wasn’t the effective winger of 2010-2011, the difference in him was very noticeable. He was running at the full-back and repeatedly attempted to take him on. His crosses were nowhere near accurate enough but at least he was getting in the position to deliver them. Maybe if you don’t go to the games or don’t sit where I sit, these things wouldn’t be as noticeable, but I can’t tell you just how different he was against Palace compared to the vast majority of his performances last season. Fingers crossed he will keep adding to this.

8. It was great to see Wayne Rooney get on the scoresheet after the fuss of the summer. With the newspapers claiming he would be out for weeks, our striker fulfilled his usual routine of returning much sooner than predicted. He wore a band to protect the gash on his head, cut open by Phil Jones, but it didn’t appear to interfere with his game. This was his first goal since March 19th and the fans ensured it was well received. I still find the reaction from the supporters strange. In the second half he had a brilliant opportunity to score and he fluffed it. This was met with chants of “ROONEY!” from the Stretford End. Applauding the poor attempts of a player who has been desperate to leave us for both City and Chelsea doesn’t sit well with me. Still, his goal to make it 2-0 was special. The goalie maybe could have done better but Rooney did so well to clear the wall and direct the ball in to the bottom corner. But it wouldn’t be a Rooney performance without his obligatory failed chip, when he could have scored easily had he just put his foot through the ball, but his obsession continues. Danny Welbeck’s goal at Swansea probably hasn’t helped.

9. There’s nothing to get too carried away about here but I’m presuming our tepid performance can be blamed on Palace for not giving us a game. City will hopefully bring out the best in our lads, but let’s hope Fellaini and Nani keep Anderson and Young out of the team. It’s good to see Moyes trying out his new players and giving them opportunity to earn their place though. It’s been a decent start but a win at City would really grab people’s attention.


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199 Comments

  1. Shannon says:

    Great call dan young

  2. DreadedRed says:

    Dan-young

    ch(tongue)eek

    I would have thought it was pretty obvious, seeing as I broke the news on this thread that Jones is injured, and therefore unavailable.

  3. UnitedFaithful says:

    Januzaj will stay.As long as he listens to the right people and doesn’t get his thoughts muddled by his agent he should be fine.United invest on potential but never make them believe they have done it.Pushing your boundaries and all that.Didn’t Sir Matt say something along the lines of ‘If you are good enough at United,the money will follow’?If you are meant to play for United,money is the last thing you have to worry about.

  4. Dan-young says:

    Dreaded red .. I didn’t even see who wrote it, I was just browsing through a few comments as I don’t waste my time reading comments from the likes of glory glory holy trin or any of them other wankers that have ruined the blog so if you said about him being injured then fair enough

    P.s. I’m using that tongue in cheek comment haha

  5. DreadedRed says:

    Dan-young – fair enough mate!

    I was actually having a dig at the likes of glory glory holy trin. The number of idiotic comments we’ve had to put up with on Kagawa’s ‘non-selection’ inspired my post. “Kagawa better start, else it’s obvious Moyes hates him” and similar twaddle from the sheep led astray by the ABU media – fucking ridiculous!

  6. Proverb says:

    @Dan-young
    They label me as a bully. They say its opinions, no matter how ill informed they appear to be. Fucking LOgic mate

  7. UnitedFaithful says:

    Why is Kagawa training?he should call in sick and go home.Clearly he is not going to get a game here as Moyes has an agenda against him.Right?

  8. DreadedRed says:

    UnitedFaithful – Moyes’ next-door-neighbour has an aunt who has a car that was made in Japan, and she washes it at ungodly hours, distracting him from his din-dins. He’s taking it out on Kagawa, that much is fucking obvious.

  9. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Heard kagawa and rafael back. Those are two top class players that are able to make the difference. Hoping kagawa will hit it up this season and grab the iniative. The lad is an outstanding player, if “technique” was being taught then kagawa would be the robot for tutoring. Potentially world class in my view, he’s as close as it getsto that for me but hoping he’ll start being more of a key player this season for united, maybe even discuss a new deal.

  10. UnitedFaithful says:

    DreadedRed
    :)

  11. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Macheda is an example of player that has regressed massively with loan spells. He was and probably is still a good finisher but he hasn’t worked enough on his all round game or we aren’t seeing evidence of that atleast. He was ahead of welbeck at one point but danny has worked hard, his outstanding all round game in terms of work rate, holding up the ball, running power/pace, touch, skill, imagination and linking up has aided his rise into the first team. Macheda is languishing away and only inner mental strenghth and talent can get him back to a level required by a premier league club let alone united. Another loan spell and he has to grab, maybe one last push for him or it will be arriverderrci to serie B.

    His beautiful goal vs villa seems to have haunt him, struggling to live up to such highs, maybe too much too soon, maybe he needed to be kept away and improved as other parts of his game weren’t up to scratch. Oh well, hope it goes well

  12. Yang says:

    Sad to see that Anderson stuttered around pitch. I admit that I criticized him as I was watching on TV. I really feel for him. He is not a CM for sure. Anderson has no idea or do not feel comfortable with Central midfielder role. Everything is so unpredictable when Anderson play there that team suffer.

    Anderson should be used as an attacker but It is too late.

  13. UnitedFaithful says:

    Why would Moyes pass up the opportunity to work with someone like Kagawa?His talent is for all to see.He is the only number 10 at the club proven at the highest level.Tailor-made for Fast Tempo games United are famous for.Being the manager he is,he will see it as a challenge to incorporate Rooney Kagawa Nani in our attack.

  14. mig78 says:

    i keep on seeing folks listing out Nani for the UCL opener tomorrow. Nani is suspended for the red card from the virus game. Hope to see Kagawa on the left though.

  15. Rukky says:

    Mig78, I thought i was the only one noticing it. Would have loved nani to start but his suspended.

  16. kanchelskis says:

    These Halifax adverts are going to make me flip out and stab someone in the neck.

  17. United_Forever says:

    The abus are all making a massive deal out of Ashley Young’ diving on Saturday, don’t get me wrong his dive was embarrassing & I hate to see United players dive, however where is the witchhunt whenever players from other teams dive (apart from possibly Saurez- but Liverpool fans are all in self-denial about that). The reality is that there is a lot of hypocrisy on the diving issue, you see rival fans & the media going ott about any diving by United players, yet the same fans are all in self-denial about the diving by their own players. All clubs have divers yet there is only an inquisition when a United player dives – I’ve heard calls this morning for 5/6 game bans for diving – ridiculous. I don’t remember much was said when Ashley Cole dived against us a few weeks ago.

  18. DreadedRed says:

    United embark on a new adventure in the UEFA Youth League on Tuesday with Bayer Leverkusen the first opponents for Nicky Butt’s youngsters. Tuesday’s 4pm BST kick-off will allow the teenagers a chance to pit their wits against continental visitors at Salford City Stadium as Group A mirrors the Champions League assignment for David Moyes’ first team.

    “The whole point of the afternoon kick-off is to encourage more fans at Salford,” explained Butt to ManUtd.com. “We want all the away supporters to be there – a thousand or more of them would be brilliant. It’s only a few miles away and it saves them sitting about the stadium, doing nothing all day, and a lot of United fans are often also floating around the ground waiting for the game to come along. So if they could all come along and support our lads, they will see a good game of football, hopefully with a great atmosphere, and still have plenty of time to get back to see the first team.”

    http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2013/Sep/manchester-united-prepare-for-first-uefa-youth-league-fixture.aspx

  19. DreadedRed says:

    ^ Executive club members, season-ticket holders and official members can gain free entry by texting UNDER19 and their membership number to 60777. Production of Membership card will be required at the gate.

    All other supporters can purchase a ticket for £3 from Salford City Stadium’s ticket office. Entry is free for Under 16s and free parking is available.

    Fucking get in, lads!

  20. Bobby Charlton's Combover says:

    @United Forever

    Cole’s dive a few weeks ago was shocking. Not trying to exonorate Young in any way but you’re right, very little was made of it when it was worth at least a yellow and a public witch hunt.

    As for Young he got a public and private dressing down about this before so hard to see why he persists. he’s just not united material. Now we have Januzaj, Zaha, Nani and Valencia to play on the wing so he should be nowhere near the squad.

  21. DreadedRed says:

    Main points from todays United’s presser (ex TAOT):

    Fellaini on the process of joining United: “With Everton and the chairman, we never knew about the deal. Sometimes I thought there was no chance but in the end I was so happy to join United. I talked with the manager (Roberto Martinez) because it was a big opportunity to join one of the biggest clubs in the world.”

    Moyes on United’s joint bid for Fellaini and Leighton Baines: “We chose to do it that way because we wanted to get Leighton Baines. We didn’t want to give up on Baines until the last minute and thought that was the best way to do it, to keep the deals together and only split it at the last minute.”

    Fellaini: “I came here to win trophies. For me it’s a dream to join the biggest club in the world. I need to work hard for my place – there are a lot of good players. I need to show my ability. I’ll keep focused. I want to help the team and give everything.”

    Moyes on Fellaini: “He’s well known in the Premier League, experienced in the Premier League and can do several different jobs, play different positions, score goals and is effective in different areas of the field. I’m hoping he can continue to improve as he has done in the early part of his career, at United and we can have a really top player on our hands.”

    Fellaini: “I have no problem with the new players but I’ve had a small problem with the intensity of training – it’s a step up from Everton. United are a big team with big players but Everton were a great team too. The difference is United have won trophies.”

    Moyes: “He was someone right from the start we pencilled in for position at Manchester United. we knew we should add numbers in midfield with Fletcher’s illness and Scholes retiring. He was always one that was out there we talked about it a lot and thankfully we got him here. I think when you get to that final day always a doubt things could easily have gone wrong in the end it didn’t and we’re thankful we’ve got him.”

    Moyes on Wayne Rooney: “He’s in great physical shape but has obviously got a cut right in middle of forehead, which could split where the skin is very thin. He’s had his stitches out, we’ve just got to see where level of fitness is with him.”

  22. DreadedRed says:

    Main points from today’s United’s presser (ex TAOT):

    Fellaini on the process of joining United: “With Everton and the chairman, we never knew about the deal. Sometimes I thought there was no chance but in the end I was so happy to join United. I talked with the manager (Roberto Martinez) because it was a big opportunity to join one of the biggest clubs in the world.”

    Moyes on United’s joint bid for Fellaini and Leighton Baines: “We chose to do it that way because we wanted to get Leighton Baines. We didn’t want to give up on Baines until the last minute and thought that was the best way to do it, to keep the deals together and only split it at the last minute.”

    Fellaini: “I came here to win trophies. For me it’s a dream to join the biggest club in the world. I need to work hard for my place – there are a lot of good players. I need to show my ability. I’ll keep focused. I want to help the team and give everything.”

    Moyes on Fellaini: “He’s well known in the Premier League, experienced in the Premier League and can do several different jobs, play different positions, score goals and is effective in different areas of the field. I’m hoping he can continue to improve as he has done in the early part of his career, at United and we can have a really top player on our hands.”

    Fellaini: “I have no problem with the new players but I’ve had a small problem with the intensity of training – it’s a step up from Everton. United are a big team with big players but Everton were a great team too. The difference is United have won trophies.”

    Moyes: “He was someone right from the start we pencilled in for position at Manchester United. we knew we should add numbers in midfield with Fletcher’s illness and Scholes retiring. He was always one that was out there we talked about it a lot and thankfully we got him here. I think when you get to that final day always a doubt things could easily have gone wrong in the end it didn’t and we’re thankful we’ve got him.”

    Moyes on Wayne Rooney: “He’s in great physical shape but has obviously got a cut right in middle of forehead, which could split where the skin is very thin. He’s had his stitches out, we’ve just got to see where level of fitness is with him.”

  23. DreadedRed says:

    … oops! I’m seeing double, think I’ll have another!

  24. Cool Goat HOT POTATOE! says:

    As far as Im concerned the ABU press are dead right to have a go at Ashley Youngs diving – it was a fucking embarrassment. The first dive to try and get a penalty was fucking disgusting. I dont understand how these scumbag mercenary players can screw each other over one minute – such a screwing over could lose a fellow professional from his job if managed by a retard manager – and then shake his hand and joke with him like they were long lost school buddies and go to a club afterwards. Mercenary fucking scumbags that deserve every bit of shit they get from angry fans and the press.
    As for the second dive that awarded us the penalty he should have been sent off. And yes it was a fucking dive. As far as Im aware a hip to hip collision where Young is running away from the path of the ball and the defending player is running directly in a line to the ball is a fair hit and if young goes down and claims a penalty then its a dive – unsportsmanlike like conduct. Yes we were the deserved winners of the match IF and ONLY IF we score goals to win the match – you dont get 3 points for possession, you get it for goals.

    I like youngs ability to get back and cover, I like his very good crossing, I like his speed and I like his have a go attitude BUT he does all that at 75%, hes not what Id call really special at anything – just a squad player. And his diving and cheating is as abhorrent as Nanis crying. I hate the way these 50kg faggots have ruined the game and would – if thats the reason – not be bothered with Moyes getting rid of him.

    Young is an embarrassment.

  25. MAN to the UNITED says:

    I really don’t understand why so many people are kicking up a fuss and giving Moyes stick for not playing Kagawa. He has given a valid reason every time for why he hasn’t played.
    1- wasn’t fully match fit
    2- international duties
    3- illness
    What we are forgetting is we are only 4 games into the season. I agree as much as the next person that Kagawa is a quality player and needs to be playing, but there has been things stopping him. I’m sure you will soon start seeing Kagawa start playing.

    Mourinhio has come out and said for people not to expect the same as 2004 when he won the premier league in his first year. Has he gone soft? That’s not normally the words of the ”special one”

  26. markdegea says:

    moyes is confidebt that adnan will sign pretty soon

  27. FletchTHEMAN says:

    Man United v Bayern Leverkusen
    Match Stats:
    United have never lost to Leverkusen Winning the last meeting at OT 2 nil

    via About Man Utd
    1 Utd 2 – 2 Bayer Leverkusen — 24 Apr 2002
    2 Bayer Leverkusen 1 – 1 Utd —30 Apr 2002
    3 Bayer Leverkusen 1 – 2 Utd —24 Sep 2002
    4 Utd 2 – 0 Bayer Leverkusen —13 Nov 2002

    Referee Appointments -hope we havn’t done anything to piss off any slovaks of late ;)

    Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
    Assistant Referee 1: Matej Žunič (SVN)
    Assistant Referee 2: Bojan Ul (SVN)
    Additional Assistant Referee 1: Slavko Vinčić (SVN)
    Additional Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Ponis (SVN)
    Fourth Official: Primož Arhar (SVN)
    UEFA Referee Observer: Murat Ilgaz (TUR)
    UEFA Delegate: Cornel Cristian Bivolaru (ROU)
    Blog Referee Observer: Albin A. (SWE)

  28. FletchTHEMAN says:

    Kiko off to Doncaster on loan! Good luck to him!

    From Mandy Henry
    @MandyHenryMedia Subject to paperwork, Federico Macheda has joined Doncaster Rovers for a 1 month loan with option to extend.

    http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/macheda-signs-on-1057555.aspx

  29. Markdegea says:

    Nani is suspended. I will go with this line up:
    De Gea, fabio, vidic, Evans, Evra, fellaini, carrick, valencia, kagawa, rooney, van Persie.

  30. Ash says:

    By looking at pics it seems there is no problem between moyes and Kagawa. Many people dont realise this but kagawa is very important for our success. He can bring the creativity in our team. Play him regularly you will see the effect

  31. The One says:

    Dan-young @10:51, welcome to RoM. I suspect that there’re actually a lot of ABUs on here masquerading as United fans. I try to ignore them but sometimes the volume of noise they make get to me too!!

  32. The One says:

    Ravel Morrison, he should be thankful to Ferguson for sending him south, far far away from his mob friends. Just hope we can buy him back someday.

  33. The One says:

    Some people getting worried we’ll lose Adnan to Shitty:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-city-looking-swoop-manchester-2275413

    Absolutely no way he’s gonna leave us for them, even if they send him a plane-load of petro dollars. He ain’t even gonna get a kick of the ball at wasteland, it’s obvious, so why would he opt to go there. Anyway, its just media mischief again, you can be sure of that.

  34. Raging Bull says:

    Just saw footage of United training today. Moyes was having a good old chuckle with Shinji. It certainly looked like there were no problems between them. Even our Wayne was laughing along too.

  35. Dela says:

    “Former Premier League referee Graham Poll has called for the Premier League to ban Manchester United’s Ashley Young for five matches after diving against Crystal Palace on Saturday.”

    What a twat. Given that he’s a former referee he should know how this shit works. Young was caught, he was given a yellow card, end of story. There’s no justification for further punishment in the case. What Young did the other day, a hell of a lot of players do it and its barely even talked about. I’d say a good percentage of all penalties given go for offences like that.

  36. orez says:

    The way I see it we can’t keep losing promising youngsters. Pogba for example could have been ungrateful cunt, but he was an ungrateful cunt that should have been kept no matter what. A France starter at such young age could command a fee of 20-25 mil with a salary range of Anderson or Cleverly. I can’t believe that Juve were able to offer him more than us and as such feel absolutely disgusted that he was sold. It could have made more sense if we had shit load of midfielders to play in his positions, but we didn’t. In any way loosing another promising youngster is absolutely unacceptable and I don’t want the team to go into panic mod either. We are United so just deal with it and get the shit done Moyes and Woodword. .

  37. Squeaky says:

    Don’t be surprised if Young starts tomorrow, and why not?

    Give him games & get him playing his best. All players have slumps in form, but he should be scoring 10 a season for us & he can’t do that if he’s not playing.

    Its not just a case of putting a top player on the pitch & expecting top performances – the player, coaching staff and manager have to all work together. I think dropping him for tomorrows match would be counter productive. Esp with him suddenly being the poster boy for diving, when Cole & others have done the same thing already this season.

    Also, hate to sound all conservative but starting Januzaj would be madness. This isn’t Palace at home, 1-nil up with 20 mins to go. Its Europe against very decent German opposition. So far I’ve been pleased with Moyes sense of adventure in terms of team selection, but starting/throwing in a kid w/ no experience for a must win game would be daft imo. Young should def start on the left.

    As for the right wing, considering Nani is a 100% cert to start for City im guessing Valencia will play his 2nd game in 4 days tomorrow. His form has been off too, but yesterday was a better performance so lets give him the games/confidence he needs.

    Welbeck & Hernandez should make an appearance. Both have the quality & class to get the job done, but having RVP and Rooney on the bench can’t hurt. Should be very interesting how we line up in midfield. Cleverley should get a look in, maybe rest Carrick and give Fellaini his CL debut. Not sure if Jones, Evans or Smalling are available but ideally we’d freshen up defence too.

    Moyes has been picking the right teams for the occasion so far, so lets hope he’s got the right strategy for Europe.

  38. dannysoya LOVES USAIN BOLT says:

    @squeaky all due respect but I don’t agree with your team suggestions and I will say why.
    First off, you acknowledge the step up in quality that Leverkusen will be and then you go and suggest that we Bench both Rooney and VP and start Welbeck and Hernandez all because of City? That’s laughable. Are City so scary that our players can’t play City and win in a short week? NO. It’s the biggest club competition in the world and our group is a tough one. We’ve got to play our best players ALL THE TIME to stand a chance.

    Then you suggest we AGAIN play Ashley Young and Valencia, two of our most predictable wingers ahead of the more technical Kagawa and Nani in a european game. That again has to be a joke. We’re at home, we should be trying to attack at every opportunity and as we have seen several times over the last two years, Young especially and Valencia to an extent have done more to STUNT our attacks than help it with their inexplicable inability to put in a decent cross 95% of the time. Kagawa’s not got a game since Wembley. Nani’s only played about 25 mins of football for United this season. Both simply HAVE to start.

  39. Canada says:

    I cannot even imagine what defenders think when Vidic and Fellaini start running up for corners. That is just a priceless combination in that circumstance.

    How do we slate Cleverly for being conservative but then turn around and crucify Anderson for attempting to play aggressive? The mids are damned if they do, damned if they don’t. It was Ando’s first game in how long? At least the instinct is still there. Give him a few games to get “it” back.

    Loved seeing Adnan get 30 mins. Moyes played this perfectly. Give him decent minutes, in a low risk setting, and providing a bit of a timely “carrot” in contract negotiations. The kid looks like the real deal.

  40. Squeaky says:

    Hernandez is just as good as Rooney so how is it disrespectful? Welbeck is class but like most strikers played out wide for too long he now gets caught between passing like a winger or shooting like a striker. He’s already showed what he can do this season up front for club & country.

    Eitherway, Danny & Hernandez are more than good enough to start against Leverkusen or do you think otherwise?

    Also, you’re baffled. Nani is banned.

    As for Kagawa, & mind you its only my opinion, he isn’t ready to start a big match. A sub appearance might make more sense, he might be in contention for City then, but after sod all club games I’d start Young & Valencia ahead of him.

    It isn’t a crime to have a slump in form. Players need games. I’d back Young and Valencia to get a result.

    Moyes has a big decision to make with our next few games. They are HUGE. He needs to win in Europe, but he also has to get a result against City. Losing to LFC wasn’t the end of the world because they won’t be title contenders, but City will.

    We’ve also got Liverpool in the cup in a week. So rotation is key. Who knows what Moyes will do, but with two class strikers like Danny & Hernandez sitting there, and two talented wingers like Young & Valencia finding form, why not trust them v Leverkusen?

    We can agree to disagree, im just saying.

  41. Squeaky says:

    @Canda – good points

  42. denton davey says:

    Moyes: “He was someone right from the start we pencilled in for position at Manchester United. we knew we should add numbers in midfield with Fletcher’s illness and Scholes retiring. He was always one that was out there we talked about it a lot and thankfully we got him here.”

    A wee bit economical with the truth, methinks.

    IF you wanted TheBigFella “right from the start” then why not plunk down the ca$h as soon as the window opened so that he could be part of the first-team squad from the get-go ? The idea that they were willing to wait until the last hour of the transfer deadline – and then having Fellaini himself forego his “loyalty bonus” – contradicts Moyes’ statement quite conclusively.

    UTD have shipped five points – two @ OT to CSKALondon and three (!) at AnFailed. With TheBigFella there might have been a rather better points-return from those two fixtures.

    The argument that “we wanted BOTH Fellaini AND Baines in a package deal” also seems ludicrous – or naive – because once Everton cashed in on one of those guys then they wouldn’t sell the other one. So why not get the one you really wanted (i.e., Fellaini) and look elsewhere for another midfielder. (By the way, it seems implicit in what Moyes is saying is that he envisages Baines as a left-sided midfielder – interestingly, in Everton’s match against CSKALondon on Saturday Baines was kept on a short leash which meant that his value as an attacking force was essentially negated.)

  43. dannysoya LOVES USAIN BOLT says:

    My bad with Nani. Forgot he was banned. But concerning Kagawa, my point still stands. Also Hernandez may be on par with Roo in terms of goalscoring but Rooney’s better at everything else.

    I also do not think that we can afford to leave out BOTH VP and Rooney against Leverkusen. I’ve seen them in their games this year and they are very very good. As far as rotation is concerned. By all means he can rotate but this isn’t the game to go wholesale. Cleverley is lightweight and I would not start him ahead of Fellaini unless Fellaini has fitness issues or The liverpool cup game would be the ideal game to start Hernandez and welbeck together.

    Only because of Nani’s suspension and Welbeck’s injury will starting Valencia be seen as reasonable. As far as i’m concerned, Young should NEVER EVER start a European game unless we’ve qualified. He’s not CLOSE to Euripean quality.

  44. Squeaky says:

    no worries mate. We disagree on Young.

    Let see who Moyes selects. I think his team selections & substitutions have been spot on so far. The players he relies on this campaign, & the lads he decides to keep and let go of at the end of this season will reveal all. Till then, im not writing off anybody. Call me optimistic.

  45. Cantona1974 says:

    Young has dived too many times. It’s embarrassing….. He shouldn’t play next week. He could have been sent off for the foul later in the game. Deserved it really….. Glad to see Rooney on the scoresheet. He needed that goal. Give him some confidence before we play city. Even gave a smile when he scored. Still might leave in the next transfer window though.
    Agree with most….Ando sucks. Terrible 60 mins and deserved to be subbed.
    Rio was great…… RVP cracker with the right peg would have been a contender for goal of the season.
    We really need the win against city but ill take the draw since its away.

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