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Reactions To Victory Over Fulham

1. What was clear from the very start of the game was that Manchester United were far superior to Fulham. The only question was whether we were going to be able to break them down, with Martin Jol setting them up 11 men behind the ball for large chunks of the game. Ahead of kick-off we’d be forgiven for not only wanting a win but a chance to boost our goal difference too, considering we battered them 5-0 at their place earlier this season. It was a difficult game for us though in the second half, particularly with a nervy 1-0 lead to defend, but we got the points and that’s all that matters.

2. I don’t usually like to start on a negative but this negative is so negative that I need to get it out of the way. That was maybe the worst Ryan Giggs performance I’ve ever seen. It was painful to watch. It felt as though he lost possession every time he was on the ball as he ran round like a headless chicken. Too often Michael Carrick would be on the ball in the centre of the park and was struggling to pick a pass, with Giggsy trotting off towards the box and not making himself available. It was unbelievable that we made three substitutions and he managed to stay on the pitch. Anyway, onwards and upwards eh Giggs? Must do better.

3. The only goal of the game came from a great ball in from Ashley Young which Jonny Evans fought to get on the end of, setting Wayne Rooney up with an easy enough tap in. Young and Evans were our best players on the pitch, with Evans putting in yet another brilliant defensive shift (and picking up the official Man of the Match award) whilst Young was good going forward and hard working when not in possession. Young seems to be finding that pre-injury form from the start of the season at just the right time. Oh, and 17 goals in 17 games for Rooney isn’t too shabby either!

4. The biggest talking point after the game was probably the penalty that never was, after Carrick caught Danny YSB Murphy in the box. It was a penalty, more clear cut than the one Patrice Evra believed we deserved in the first half, but we obviously won’t be losing any sleep over it. Some rival fans and journalists were outraged. Short memories. Who remembers the penalty Stoke should have been awarded and the red card Gareth Barry should have had on Saturday after just 17 minutes? Yeh, me too.

5. Anyone else feel like they’re just ticking the games off at the moment? By the time of that final whistle, I don’t care what kind of game I’ve just witnessed or what decisions have gone on, as long as we’ve got the three points. We’re just eight games away now. It wasn’t a classic against Fulham but we’re three points closer to the title. Come on United.






 

154 Comments

  1. paceisthetrick says:

    do we need a new right back? rafael hardly puts in decent crosses? always cuts back for tony.

  2. Sparkz says:

    Post match reactions, been a while since one of these!

    I’d agree that we just need to tick the games off, get the 3 points no matter how. Blackburn away will be a really tough game, hopefully Scholesy starts that, Nani should be on the bench as well I think.

    As for Giggsy…..unfortunately last night was nothing new. I would say that’s been his usual level of performance this season. He did go on a nice run of form from January-February, but other than that he’s been poor when he’s started games.

    I’ve been banging on about it for ages, for a starting line up central midfielder, he’s nowhere near good enough any more. Constantly gives away the ball, defensively suspect, and leads to us getting overrun at times. I will say that amongst all that poor play, he does pick out a few magic passes, and usually gets an assist. BUT – that’s why he should be an impact sub, someone who comes on for the last 20 minutes. Certainly shouldn’t be starting games.

    The 2 centre backs were rock solid last night btw, and the wingers were really good, pick of our attacking players. I do get a bit frustrated with them at times though – Young constantly comes inside onto his right foot, sometimes you wish he’d go on the outside! And Valencia sometimes slows attacks down and wastes good opportunities, simply because he doesn’t wanna use his left foot.

    Anyway, onwards and upwards, I’d like a decent margin before we go to the Etihad, gotta keep ticking off the wins.

  3. Jippers says:

    Good summary Scott, surprised that De Gea didn’t get a mention – despite not being ‘tested’ as such he just looked generally good…..good in possession and with his distribution, collected crosses, looked generally composed and made good contact with his punches etc. I think he’s really growing into the role now and has been great recently. Hope this doesn’t tempt fate and bring back the flapping!

  4. NBI Red Onion says:

    I enjoyed that match. Giggsy in CM has never been the bees, that said, I think he can still do a job on the left wing for half a game. Else in the Rooney role he would be great at picking out the lead striker with assists.

    I though all the defenders had a good game, Rafael and Tony V’s link up play is getting better and he was sharper in defence some of Evra’s attacking play beating two men and doing a Maradona like pass and run on the ball when sandwiched was fantastic, plus a few great blocks, however, he is a defender and when he got into great shooting positions you could see he just wanted a striker to finish it, he could have had 2 / 3 goals last night, great movement, his close control is the best bar Scholes. Shout to Evans, he is clearly enjoying his football. Good to see. De Gea also some good saves, we are taking them for granted nowdays.

    Young and Valencia were excellent, though Valencia faded a bit at the end, Rooney was Rooney, Welbeck was ok, Pea had a poor game, his nerves clearly showed, I think he does better when he starts as he settles more. I do not think he is an Ole type impact sub, Welbeck with his calm mindset and physique is more that. I would like to see them play together more.

    Scholes did the business when he came on, some great defending as well, Carrick was Carrick, bar the rare penalty shout, though personally I think the guy was looking to dive though there was contact there was not that much and Carrick as much cluttered into him as he slowed as anything else.

  5. Eric Cantona Told Me To Tweet says:

    I agree that Evans had a good game but I thought Valencia was our best player that night.
    I thought Young had an okay game. He held the ball needlessly for too long quite often. I like Rooney Welbeck combination than I do Rooney-Chicarito. I think Welbeck reads the game better but he needs to work on his finishing skill.

  6. dannysoya LOVES SIAN MASSEY says:

    Scott SPOT ON about Ryan Giggs. Absolutely horrible performance and I was shocked that rooney was brought off instead of him. Very poor by his incredibly high standards but hey we got the job done which is pretty much all that matters right now. We have the second most difficult game in the run -in next. Away to blackburn. I just sincerely hope that our defenders are inspired like they have been for most of this season and I hope Rooney is still banging them in. We should put Scholesy against blackburn for some balance and I pray that Nani can return quickly cuz I miss his trickery. Ashley Young is great too but he is kinda predictable and does not like using his left foot at all unless he is absolutely forced to by the defender and he likes backing down defenders when he should be running at them. INWARDS AND UPWARDS. 20 IS WITHIN REACH!!! COME ON UNITEDDD!!!!

  7. dannysoya LOVES SIAN MASSEY says:

    ONWARDS* damn keyboard. SMH

  8. redevil_83 says:

    gigsy did pick out a magic pass that valencia should have buried. the ecuadorian was immense y’day again more so than young probably.

    but evans deserving of best player. i’ve seen those penals given…pretty dumb of carrick with all his experience to commit like that on the toothless scouze murphy

  9. LoneStarRed says:

    THREE POINTS. Fix the mistakes. Giggsy get your head out of your rear. Next.

  10. Martin S. says:

    A win, great!

    But we should win in style. That’s the United way.

  11. denton davey says:

    Scott: “The only goal of the game came from a great ball in from Ashley Young”

    EXCUSE ME ! Ashley Young over-hit TheWayneBoy (on the penalty spot) and under-hit JonnyEvans (at the far post) – the only reason that the ball got to Evans was because Hangeland flubbed the clearance.

    The best thing that Ashley Young did in that match was his hard-hit volley that forced Schwartzer into a fine save. Otherwise, he was predictable – run fast, stop, turn around and pass sideways/backwards. Yeah, I know, he’s scored some really important (and technically-excellent) goals but let’s get real here – Ashley Young is a winger, a left-winger who doesn’t use his left foot and isn’t all-that-keen on covering CaptainEvra’s forward runs, either.

    Ashley Young is a very fast guy who doesn’t make the best use of his speed, either. If he played on the left side the very direct way that Antonio Valencia plays down the right side then I’d be more impressed – but he doesn’t. FWIW, he’s not a patch on Nani who might be infuriating, selfish, and “inconsistent” but who has a level of talent (and end-product) that FAR surpasses Ashley Young.

  12. iced earth says:

    evans is the best young cb in the game i think he is better then pique
    i watched benfica game gaitan is class above hope he we will get him in the summer
    witsel is another player who impressed me, great box to box player
    he will fit perfectly in our system

  13. denton davey says:

    Scott: “That was maybe the worst Ryan Giggs performance I’ve ever seen. It was painful to watch. It felt as though he lost possession every time he was on the ball as he ran round like a headless chicken.”

    GOTTA DISAGREE. What you see is what you get with SirRyanGiggs – incredible highs and unbelievable lows. His moment-to-moment inconsistency is amazing.

    Let’s not forget that while he might have “lost possession” a lot, he did not lose it “every time he was on the ball” – indeed, the single-greatest moment in that match was his over-the-top pass to Antonio Valencia in the 47th minute that put Valencia in, one-on-one with the keeper. If Valencia beats Schwartzer then the flood-gates would have opened – and Giggs’ contribution would have been lauded to the high heavens. But Valencia hit the ball right at Schwartzer and the flood-gates stayed shut – and it seems that you have forgotten all about this.

  14. Costas says:

    Giggs at the Riverside in December of 2002 was the worst performance I’ve ever seen from him. The only positive thing he did on the day was score (in a 3-1 loss) but other than that, he did nothing right. Wasn’t too long after that that he was booed at OT.

    Anyway, I didn’t think he had a stinker last night. It just wasn’t the game for him as a CM. As a left winger yes. But as a CM that needed to work in sync with Carrick to keep good possession (in other words a Scholes)? No.

    Evans and Valencia were our 2 best players with Rooney and Ashley Young just behind. Bit worried about Carrick showing signs of tiredness. Lets play him with either Scholes or Tom from now on. He will have less covering to do.

  15. King Eric says:

    Red devil83. Don’t think Carrick had much choice. Barely touched that scouse cunt and Murphy could have buried a shot anyway. Carrick has been superb this season and that ball second half to the right wing when he was facing his own goal was top drawer. Brings composure to the side.

  16. denton davey says:

    iced earth @ 22:23: “i watched benfica game gaitan is class above hope he we will get him in the summer”

    OK, he’s a very good player – and he will use his left foot, too – but right now UTD have three very good wingers (and Nani will use his left foot – and is also a better player than Gaitan).

    But, more to the point, buying another winger when the crying need is for a seriously-good, box-to-box midfielder would be a huge mistake and a massive waste of precious resources.

  17. Sparkz says:

    @Denton – tbf, I thought Young put in a really good defensive shift yesterday. His insistence on coming infield is a bit infuriating though.

  18. Sparkz says:

    @Denton – As for Giggsy…the “high to low” inconsistency is fine for wingers or strikers. Coz their main job is to get the end product….a goal/assist. Doesn’t matter about the performance really.

    Centre mid is a different story. A great assist isn’t enough, coz you need to control the game from that position.

  19. WillieRedNut says:

    Young’s cross wasn’t over hit. Rooney actually ducked for some reason. It was a brilliant ball. Jonny was alive to it. Set Rooney up for the tap in.

  20. Costas says:

    @Sparkz

    That’s why I thought Young did well last night. He covered for Evra in true Ji Sung Park fashion…

  21. iced earth says:

    denton dave
    i agree with you that we need a box to box md what about witsel ?
    about gaitan he can play at various position an would provide us somthing different,plus i think park will be removed to the cm

  22. King Eric says:

    Denton. Agree on Gaitan. He isn’t a class above at all IMO. Regarding the Young ball it was a decent ball but Rooney seemed to duck out the way. I thought he had a decent game yesterday to be fair.

    Martin. At this stage of the season with all the injuries we have had I don’t care how we win so long as we get the three points.

  23. King Eric says:

    Just caught end of dippers defeat to Wigan and why the fuck was that cunt from JLS playing for the dippers? Sterling is his name. Fuck me.

  24. Dandivine7 says:

    Of course not a classic but the result was important. Someone said Nani has more ‘END PRODUCT’ than Young. I disagree totally.(CHECK YOUNG’S ASSIST AND GOAL RATIO IN THE PAST 4 YEARS at a team like Villa) Yes Nani provides assists, but His consistency and decision making- despite His abundant bag of tricks- still not enough, Also, have You noticed that since arriving in 2007, Nani tends to perform in the first part of the season till February then tends to fizzle out, Park edges Him out as the season gets to an end, now Young looks set to do that this time, He’s got skills no doubt but AT THE MOMENT He’s not the type of player to win You titles. Nani will win games but players like Valencia- who is direct, keeps things simple and consistent- will win You titles if You get what I mean.

  25. King Eric says:

    Oh and it was fucking hilarious seeing them playing like Wimbledon. Egg head Reina pumping long ball after long ball up to the Gyppo. I have NEVER seen a player look so out of his depth than Carrol. That’s not saying the vermin are a good team, merely Carrol is a pub player.

    That nasty cunt Dogleash in his post match interview saying he could not understand why Suarez’s goal was disallowed. What? Maybe because he paddled it in with his left hand. What a horrible cheating bastard he is and the sooner the Premier League is shut of this odious character the better.

    Well looks like the hysteria of two decent results will end in “robbie“ (what the fuck is that about) Di Mateo getting the poisoned chalice. As I said last week as much as I hate Terry had he played against the bitters they would have seen that game out.

    Love Nev but it sticks in my throat the respect he gives no mark cunts like Chelsea and City. Yes I know he has to be impartial but come on Gaz lad. You should be at United not working for those bastards.

  26. Dandivine7 says:

    For all the talk of Gaitan, Garcia and Co. I was more impressed with Witsel tonight but My first choice this summer is definately Javi Martinez( not just based on Their two games with United) He’s been consistent for about 4 years since making His debut as a teenager. Fantastic, tireless worker, great passer and a fantastic interceptor of through balls due to His superb game reading. He’ll be starting for Spain very soon. Would compliment either Carrick, Giggs or Scholes comfortably

  27. iced earth says:

    off topic how good Davide Petrucci is??

  28. Dandivine7 says:

    Hello King Eric, I actually think Gary would be a better No 2 at United . He has fantastic understanding of the game. He’ll come in handy in terms of organising United’s defence

  29. King Eric says:

    Willie. Ha. You beat me to it mate about Rooney ducking!

  30. WillieRedNut says:

    The rumours I’ve heard is, we’re not in for Gaitan. I get the feeling a section of United fans think we’ll be splashing the cash this summer. I seriously doubt it lads.

  31. iced earth says:

    Dandivine7
    totaly agree with you martinez is what we need not modric or wesly snidjer but his price tag is to high his buy out clause is 40m £
    witsel should be a a good option really impressed with him

  32. WillieRedNut says:

    King Eric – It was strange? Not like Rooney to duck for any reason. Lucky for him, Jonny was alert!

  33. iced earth says:

    WillieRedNut
    hope you are wrong mate,sir alex should splash the cash
    we need 2 to 3 new player to compete in europe

  34. Costas says:

    @willie

    I agree. Not with only 50 mil left in the bank. Maybe Clyne, but I don’t see anyone else.

  35. Dandivine7 says:

    Iced Earth, its true about His buy out clause, thats where the art of negotiation comes in, remember City got Aguero for 35 million pounds despite His buy out clause being quoted at 45 million, the same with Torres when He was at Athletico Madrid. He was signed for 26 million pounds too.

  36. Dandivine7 says:

    Costas, along with Clyne, I strongly believe We’ll have a midfield signing, probably a holding player, or a Silva like player who drifts across the park. Either one of the two depending on the tactical approach for next season

  37. iced earth says:

    Dandivine7
    hope we will get him in the summer and his arrival will help de gea a lot

  38. Costas says:

    @Dandivine7

    Maybe if something relatively cheap comes along. I just don’t see where the money for a 20-30 million buy will come from. My instict tells me that if Scholes stays for another season and Pogba signs his new deal, there will be no midfield signing.

  39. iced earth says:

    i don t think we need Clyne we have the best rb in the league in rafa+fabio and jones smaling valencia all can play at rb plus Clyne is an unmproved player
    berba owen pig bebe macheda and maybe anderson could leave in the summer there wages will help bring new player

  40. NBI Red Onion says:

    I miss Nani at his best. There seems to be something going on with him right now, I remember reading an article about all the stress he has from family problems and people calling him for help and money. I hope that he gets his injury and his head clear, he has not got long to get match fit, we are running out of games, and in terms of Nani – v – Ashley, perhaps over a season Ashley may be more consistent, but he has narrower range and cannot do brilliant like Nani who also links up with our strikers better.

    SAF also seems to have taken the view that Berbatov is already out of the door – not even benched. To be honest I don’t see the point in keeping Owen around, he is injured most of the season and can’t be relied upon to be fit and ready and play the Ole supersub role which was what he was bought for.

    Hopefully we can hold firm and see out City and usher in 20, then I will be excited to see who SAF buys, I really hope our buys are more Valencia and Pea calibre rather than Young and Jones – nothing against the latter but can’t see them being world class and can’t see Jones as a starter in MF or in defence, more a utility man.

  41. Sparkz says:

    @DanDivine – Disagree about Nani. Inconsistent and frustrating – but plenty of goals and assists. Just like Young tbh. Valencia’s the only solid, consistent one of the 3. Therefore the choice is between Nani and Young – and I’d still give Nani the edge, I think he’s a better all round footballer, less predictable and a more likely match winner. Nothing against Young who’s also a good player, but Nani is better IMO.

    As for him fizzling out from February onwards…last season yes. But the season before that he actually came strong after January!

    Him and Vidic have been our best players for the last 2 years, I still think Nani doesn’t get enough credit at times from Utd fans.

  42. Costas says:

    Not that it matters, but Berbatov was on the bench.

    As for Owen, he’ll stay I feel. It’s a cheap option to have. And there’s no value out there. ;)

  43. Clint-Iamyourpapii says:

    Us Splash the Cash….on a midfielder, in a position SAF despises to strengthen? I Doubt it.

    We’ll most likely Tie Scholes and Giggs down, get Ando fit, bring back Fletch, play Clevs and Pogba more regularly keep Carrick in his starting position.

    Whats that? 7 midfielders.
    The only way we’ll buy a midfielder is if Scholes retires Again, Pogba leaves, Fletch struggles, Ando gets a ACL injury during Olympics or pre-season, Clevs is picking niggles after the Euros/Olympics/Pre-season and Giggs starts showing his age from now till early season time period.

    Thats when we’ll buy a midfielder for £35m who’s about 21 years old. :lol:

  44. Sparkz says:

    I don’t think Fletcher should influence our transfer policy. We should treat him like a bonus, if he’s fit then great. But he shouldn’t be counted on as a reason to not strengthen that area.

    I do agree that if Scholesy and Pogba stay, then we won’t be signing a midfielder. Bear in mind that any new midfielder would stunt the first team development of Cleverley and Pogba. Only if Scholesy retires, then there’s a vacancy for an experienced midfielder to guide them.

  45. Dandivine7 says:

    @ Sparkz, Hi! yes You’re right about the season before (2009/2010). He came on when United visited the Emirates and never looked back, but thats the only season He’s done that. In terms of giving Him credit, I do all I’m just saying is that AT THE MOMENT (like I stressed in My post on Him) He’s not there yet. Him and Vidic best players last two years? Agree on Vidic, but on Nani? What about Carrick and Valencia? Those two still ahead of Him IMO

  46. denton davey says:

    Sparkz @ 23:35: “he choice is between Nani and Young – and I’d still give Nani the edge, I think he’s a better all round footballer, less predictable and a more likely match winner. Nothing against Young who’s also a good player, but Nani is better IMO.”

    IMO, too. It also needs mentioning – underlining, more like ! – that Nani is two-footed and will “sometimes” drive to the bye-line and cross the ball with his left foot which is something that Ashley Young just will NOT do.

  47. FletchTHEMAN says:

    I thought United were extremely lucky in the end. Controlled the game and were the only team to consistantly attack, but rather in effective. Much better when we draw them out and then fast break. Don’t know what it is but we are just not on game at OT. Very inconstant unless we can get the other team attacking.

    As to Giggs, he had a bad day. But that said, he and Scholes have been very risky in the center of the park. Both have given away passes that left the defense exposed and lead to goals from the opposition. Don’t know whether its lack of game time, but there are alot of mistakes that have cost us. Very nervy times. I think we can close this season out, but I have no confidence that we will do it with typical style.

    In the end though, who cares how we win it as long as we do it the United way.

    Speaking of United way. Decent interview with Palli on his trip to Dubai.
    Bashing Tevez and Citay.
    http://www.sport360.com/article/exclusive-manchester-united-legend-gary-pallister-labels-carlos-tevez-return-man-city-farcia

  48. WillieRedNut says:

    Costas – Probably right there? Not much cash in the bank. That limits our ability to get the players we want. And city sniffing around too. On the Gaitan story though, Benfica always quote silly figures. They done the same with Luiz and the lad who went to Madrid. Gaitan won’t go for 40 million. Unless city are willing to stump up that cash, which I doubt they’d even do. In terms of us, I believe Fergie will have to offload a few before signing anyone. When everyones fit, our squad isn’t bad. The CM has been a talking point for 2 seasons now. If we don’t sign a midfielder in the summer, then Pogba should be given a serious run in the team. If he stays of course. Which I think he will.

  49. Sparkz says:

    @DanDivine – I was talking about the last TWO years as a whole mate. Him and Vidic have been by some distance our best players in that time IMO.

    As I remember, Carrick went through 12-18 months of poor form (from the 2009 Champions League final onwards). He’s come back to business in the last 12 months.

    Valencia wasn’t at his best for the last few months of 09/10, and was injured for a large part of last season, and up until December time this year.

    Not bashing those players, but over the last 2 years, I think you’d be hard pushed to find players who’ve been as consistently good for us as nani and Vidic. Possibly VDS, but he hasn’t been around for the last 6 months!

  50. Park Life says:

    I think Giggs is allowed 1 poor game.

    @ Denton Davey, Young’s right footed as we all know. Even Nani is far more effective when played on the right so the fact that Young puts in a shift and actually creates chances at all is a bonus. Les not forget the amount of goals and asssts he has provided on that left..
    if Tony Vee could get over his left-foot OCD and play over there sometimes they could switch and you’d see a lot more variety from him. I’d rather Young turned back and crossed or kept possession than trying a left-footed shot/cross with a reduced control/power/accuracy..

    If we “needed” a player, what we need is a left footed winger/midfilder in the Mata mould… we missed a trick there imo. but barring the left-footed aka Giggs replacement, I think our squad is set to come to fruition next season.

    8 games left and against all odds we are 3 ahead of Shitty… What a team. What a club! I love the fact our season is still very much alive. I have scousers @ work watching our games and waiting for us to lose.. “should have been a pen… always at old trafford…” fucking sad bastards!!

    I only care about United.

    20 COME ON UNITED 20

  51. Dandivine7 says:

    @ Sparkz, I got Your point re Valencia and Carrick, very true.

  52. Red Nation says:

    In terms of ability and on his day who’s best out of the wingers my order is;

    1- Nani
    2 – Valencia (Not as big as the Nani influence of 2010-11)
    3- Young

    If its consistency and fitness your looking for its;

    1- Valencia (I believe his only off day was Barca 2011)
    2- Young
    3-Nani

    Might get criticism for this but who cares, I don’t think Giggs is a good centre mid ( from deep), rather average and gets exposed when the going gets tough in the midfield. He’s not like Scholes where he can retain the ball really well or like Carrick and Fletch where he can intercept and pass. He’s the playmaker that does his bit in the middle for me but naturally should not be in a 2-man midfield. I’ve held this opinion for quite a while, since 2008 to be exact when I was unsure of this Giggs centre mid role. Only against small teams does it work or when Park is central to support with the aide of Rooney. By himself he’s out of his depth and not dependable.

    Whats funny is, Giggs has started in 2009 + 2011 & we was poor in the middle, while Fletch was suspended and ill and Scholes was bench player both times because SAF assumed he was a discipline wise a liability in the middle. While in 2008, Scholes started and Giggs came off the bench to equal Bobby Charlton’s appearance record, in that year Giggs gathered a lot of cheap caps but proved himself after the demise of Hargreaves and the failures of Anderson.

    I am not heavily criticising Giggsy but I feel we need to move with the times and get a real ball playing centre midfielder or play Scholes,Cleverley,Pogba in the meantime, Giggs is a more advanced player perhaps behind the striker dropping back as Rooney does.

  53. peposhi says:

    I think our most ineffective players were Welbeck and Chicha…
    Don’t get why SAF pics Berbatov only to leave him on the bench week-in, week-out… Such a waste….

  54. Red Nation 20 says:

    Might get criticism for this but who cares, I don’t think Giggs is a good centre mid ( from deep), rather average and gets exposed when the going gets tough in the midfield. He’s not like Scholes where he can retain the ball really well or like Carrick and Fletch where he can intercept and pass. He’s the playmaker that does his bit in the middle for me but naturally should not be in a 2-man midfield. I’ve held this opinion for quite a while, since 2008 to be exact when I was unsure of this Giggs centre mid role. Only against small teams does it work or when Park is central to support with the aide of Rooney. By himself he’s out of his depth and not dependable.

    Whats funny is, Giggs has started in 2009 + 2011 & we was poor in the middle, while Fletch was suspended and ill and Scholes was bench player both times because SAF assumed he was a discipline wise a liability in the middle. While in 2008, Scholes started and Giggs came off the bench to equal Bobby Charlton’s appearance record, in that year Giggs gathered a lot of cheap caps but proved himself after the demise of Hargreaves and the failures of Anderson.

    I am not heavily criticising Giggsy but I feel we need to move with the times and get a real ball playing centre midfielder or play Scholes,Cleverley,Pogba in the meantime, Giggs is a more advanced player perhaps behind the striker dropping back as Rooney does.

  55. Drew Vader says:

    I honestly see no point in signing the palace right back. Rafael is fantastic and will only get better. Yes he appears to be injury prone, but whisper it softly, he has completed a full 90 mins for a few matches in a row… Maybe he has grown out of his injury problems.

  56. bobkoh says:

    Its hard to rate the players on one match, though it was an important one. Opinions differ so I’m not shy to say this: Welbeck seems to over-run passes too often. Such failings can be overlooked if he scores crucial goals like Roo and Chicho have done. Perhaps, just perhaps Berba can be the third striker playing behind Roo & Welbeck/Chico? Have this been tried this before? I sorely missed Berba’s skill and his incisive pass and I hope he will not leave as have been reported.

  57. JC says:

    You don’t see really? I think it quite obvious since we’ve had 6 different starters at RB this season so far.

  58. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Nani is a far more superior player than young, both technically and in match winning ability. Young still has the jury out on him but he’s done alright so far, his attitude has never been in question to be honest. i think at this stage of his career and with him being in his prime, i don’t think further improvements and developments in his game can be expected. With young, what you see is what you get. When he joined, i wasn’t expecting much and that still remains the case. Let’s not make him more than what he actually is which is a good hardworking player. nani however has the ability to be ranked amongst the best (i’m sure he already is). Past few months, he hasn’t shown it often but hopefully he’ll return to form when he gets back….

  59. dannysoya LOVES SIAN MASSEY says:

    On the Nani and Ashley Young debate I believe that Nani is FAR BETTER than Ashley Young even though ashley young is also a good winger. Yes it does take Nani a while to get going every season or when he returns from injury but when he DOES get going he is arguably our most dangerous player on the pitch. I can give MANY instances last year where we might be playing sluggish and all of a sudden a burst from Nani brings everyone alive and gets the team going. Can use BOTH legs as powerfully as each other. VERY fast, has a lot of trickery even though sometimes he tends to over do it. Ashley Young is capable of getting past the defender but he likes backing them down for some weird reason. HAVE A GO AT THEM like Nani does and they will budge eventually. Also Young is VERY predictable. Barely uses his left foot. I would rather have Nani on the pitch than Ashley Young ANY day of the week. The only areas where I feel that Nani still has to catch up to ashley is in the area of crosses and goalscoring. Ashley Young was one of Villa’s most prolific goalscorers and he has vastly improved our corners this season other than those two area not much else that he is better than Nani in.

  60. Drew Vader says:

    JC — Rafael missed a fair bit of time due to injuries and it looked like SAF was trying to work out if Jones and Smalling could perform there. Now that Rafael is fit, and hopefully staying fit, I think that position is covered and what funds are available would be better spent elsewhere.

  61. JC says:

    He’s a talented boy it’s true but neither of the De Silvas can stay fit, whether due to bad luck, being over-agressive or just being the dreaded injury prone, it only makes sense to bring in another quality prospect whos played well against higher level competition especially if only for 2.5 or whatever we have to pay to avoid arbitration.

  62. JC says:

    meant Da Silvas obviously… :P

  63. CedarsDevil says:

    Just a comment on the FA Cup. It really saddens me that the oldest cup competition in world football has become a mockery. Teams fielding weakened sides etc, such a shame. And what is all this crap about playing the semis at Wembley? I know the FA need to get some cash back, but this is ridiculous. Everton v Liverpool would always have been played either at OT or Main Rd…..

    I really do miss the days when this cup competition meant something. Back in the day, winning the FA Cup was as rewarding as winning the league and the final was always a spectacle on all levels…..

  64. Sandeep1878 says:

    Morning reds around the world..

    Willie,

    Good point you make about Pogba..

    Also we need to look at Tom C, the forgotten player :)

    Hope the lad will have major impact next season..

    it was bad luck that he got injured..cunt Davies.

  65. Marq says:

    I think alot of you are missing the point about Nani & Young. Nani actually plays better when he is on the right. Just look back at the periods when he was carrying the team, both if which is when Valencia was out. So there is no comparison between Nani & Young, because they play on different flanks

  66. Man_1 says:

    Rooney was very poor as well. I cant remember him making one accurate pass during the game. Of course I missed the first 15 min.

  67. Corea says:

    Some points from myself.

    1. On Evans. When the person gets serious run of games the image of them could change dramatically. Unfortunately another mistake and the cliché will be there again. Pity but what i also love about the player is his technical ability to work with the ball. He is a good ball-player.

    2. On Young vs. Nani. Yes, Nani can work wonders sometimes but i can’t stand the player when he does his usual silly and selfish stuff. You know it just happens. I am not sure how we can judge the contribution both players would provide on the right flank but if i could choose it would have been Young all the time.

    3. 1-0. Who would have thought i would be comforted with that kind of the win. But i actually am. Pity for the goal difference but we got 3 points lead and you couldn’t have asked for more in a season like this one.

  68. Phil Jones' Birdshit Streaks says:

    Can’t we just take both of the Da Silva’s, graft the best bits from each one together to make one super Da Silva that never gets injured and destroys the opposition? It’d kinda be like The Island, but cooler.

  69. Costas says:

    Marq summed it up pretty well. I am surprised the fact that Nani has also had more poor games on the left than good slipped denton’s mind. ;)

    As for Clyne, I am all for a right back joining us this season. If Fergie wants to give De Laet a shot, then Clyne isn’t needed. But we must not make the same mistake we made last season. Depending just on the twins and Evra for our full back berths is a mistake. Yeah they are fit now, but we wasted half a season of Jones, Smalling and Valencia playing at right back…

    @Drew Vader

    Great to see you posting here mate. I was thinking about you recently, lol.

  70. CedarsDevil says:

    For the first time, and I mean FIRST time this morning I took the liberty to have a read at the bitters blog, blue moon shit.. Ha ha bastards already giving up on the title with words like ‘well we’ve waited 44 years, we can wait one more’ Bottling deluded cunts

    Might have to format my laptop after that visit

  71. Sandeep1878 says:

    Morning Costas and Cedars,

    Slow and boring day!!!!

  72. CedarsDevil says:

    Had a call with Jimmy James yesterday, poor soul had no voice left after Monday night. Bless him, funny as fuck he is….

    Sandeep

    Hi pal, nothing boring about my own day…. Was up at 4 this morning, went for a net fishing trip with some friends, shit all for fish but the beer was great!

  73. Dandivine7 says:

    Goodmorning all! Interesting angles On the Nani v Young issue,(that’s the beauty of having different opinions) those in favor of Nani have said it all- He’s undeniably skillful, and on His day can bring the whole team to life, He can also be absolutely breathtaking, all that I agree, My point is simple HOW OFTEN DOES HE DO THAT? Consistency is what I’m after, Young, while not eye catching as Nani, tends to have better and consistent end product to His game which if Nani can have, He’ll be the best winger in the world without doubt. Talking of predictability, Valencia is the most predictable- He always plays on the right, uses His right foot 98% of the time, either goes wide and crosses or comes in on that same right foot, yet He has more end product. That’s all I’m after, consistent end product not just patches of games with breathtaking skill.

  74. CedarsDevil says:

    Dandivine7

    Totally agreed, I have stayed out of this debate but you are right. Young has a much better ball delivery, his crosses into the box are wicked…. Nani never gets a frigging corner right, never crosses the ball past the first man. Still love Nani but he is way too hot and cold for me

  75. Dandivine7 says:

    Goodmorning Cedars, how was Your night? Thanks and have a great day!

  76. CedarsDevil says:

    Dandivine7

    Hi! Do not ask about my night mate, I did not have one! ha ha Been up since 4 for a fishing trip, what a silly activity……

    Have a great day too

  77. Bernard Matthews says:

    Giggs played as he has done all season just minus the crucial goals/assists so it actually was startlingly obvious.

    It’s lucky Carrick didn’t get sent off because otherwise we would be seriously depleted in CM again… Giggs and Scholes would probably have to start a couple of games together and maybe stick Cleverly in there although he hasn’t exactly set the world alight since his return. I don’t think people realise how reliant we have become on Carrick in recent months. At the beginning of the season I was hoping Ando would step up and we wouldn’t necessarily need to buy but since then he’s pretty much disappeared completely, Fletcher seems to be out the picture for the short-medium term, and none of the youth players have stepped up either. Unfortunately the gaping hole in the squad has come a year too early for the youth players to get a real opportunity as I would say if they were a year older they could actually challenge. Instead, (hopefully) we will buy and they may miss their chance.

  78. Busby babes says:

    Lads’s do you honestly beleive united wont be signing in the summer?

  79. parryheid says:

    STR.bang on with your comments.

    paceisthetrick do we need a new right back? Try watching the game.

  80. Danizizu says:

    and oh !!! the Ben Arfa [enalty??!!!

  81. Sandeep1878 says:

    Good you enjoying the fishing trip pal..

    Have fun :)

  82. samuel - united WE stand says:

    I must be daydreaming because i don’t get where this supposed young’s consistency have come from. His predictable crosses more often than not gets read by defenders and hacked clear, he has had good games but nothing to say he’s the “Consistency” King people make him out to be, he simply is a steady winger that does the job, you won’t hear young’s name amongst the very best wingers i can assure you.

    It’s the british mentality to embrace constant hopeless crosses when clearly a winger should have varieties e.g technical skills, vision and match winning abilities, ability to keep and manoeuvre the ball, unpredictability e.t.c. Yes Nani perhaps needs to be more efficient but he is the most talented wing man in this current united side, as close to rooney in terms of a player changing a game in the team. young is a steady eddy and i don’t ever expect him to even get anywhere near the echelons of being amongst the best, that’s evident.

    People say young has consistency but it’s that myth applied to british players, does he deliver brilliance consistently? probably not but sure he cuts in and deliver crosses like i’ve seen any winger do. I will always embrace technical ability and match winning ability over anything and Valencia is probably the most consistent wing player at the club if that’s what people want to dive into.

  83. Jeet says:

    @Samuel: Agree with some of what you said – technical ability is underrated by many. However, Nani is guilty of taking an awful lot of wrong decisions.

    Lastly, on the subject of consistency, you would be hardpressed to find a more consistent player than Fernando Torres this season :)

  84. Sandeep1878 says:

    Jeet,

    for me Andy carrol beats Torres in consistency :)

    At least Torres has 10 plus assists this season ;)

  85. King Eric says:

    I hate Chelsea but its a bit shit they have to play two semi’s in three days and the FA won’t budge the fixture but will do for the vermin as they don’t want to play on Hillsborough anniversary.

    Morning, sorry.

    Drew – Hey up pal. Good to see you mate. Where have you been?

  86. kanchelskis says:

    Federico Macheda has returned to Manchester for treatment on an ankle injury that is expected to keep him out for the rest of the season.

    Don’t think we’ll be seeing him in red again. He’s been unlucky really. In a way that goal against Villa was the worst thing that could’ve happened to him. Expectations were only ever going to be unrealistic after that. His two loan spells have been disastrous. Didn’t follow his progress at Sampdoria closely, but the goals just weren’t there. And he’s been royally fucked by QPR, with the manager changing weeks after he arrived, and buying a whole new strikeforce. Now this injury … he just hasn’t had the chance to prove he’s United quality. Maybe one more loan spell in the PL could save him, if a club like Villa or Norwich wanted to take a gamble? Seems unlikely though.

  87. WillieRedNut says:

    Blast from the past? Drew Vader and Corea! :)

    In honour of Cedars net fishing story, a golden oldie joke. A blind man passes his local fish mongers and says, good morning ladies? ;)

  88. iced earth says:

    Bryan Robson, speaking at Old Trafford, backed his former manager and hit out at Vieira for his ‘out of order’ comments:“City were trying to have a go at Scholes coming back.“I think Vieira is totally out of order in what he said.“The boss came back straight away and he was dead right in what he said [about Tevez].“If Tevez had been playing for us, there’s no way the gaffer would have given him a game this season.“It doesn’t matter how good you are. How can you go off for three months like that?

  89. Bobby Charlton's combover says:

    If Nani had a better footballing brain to match his undoubted talent then he would be ahead of Young everyday of the week. Young for me is a bit two-dimensional and doesn’t have that bit extra that marks the difference between really top players and good players. Nani doesn’t always make the right decisions but he has that unpredictability and when he’s on fire there’s no stopping him.
    I haven’t seen that type of performance from Young at United or before United.
    The fact is Young is quietly effective when he plays well and anonymous when he doesn’t.
    Nani is devastating when he plays well and anonymous when he doesn’t.
    If I had to chose between them I’d pick Nani. Hopefully maturity will see more consistent performances without affecting his flair.

  90. Costas says:

    Lindegaard out for the rest of the season hey? Wasn’t he supposed to be out for a month? Speaking of consistency, I’d say Rob Swire is our top performer in that area. ;)

    @kanchelskis

    Actually an injury is a lifeline for his United career. We can’t sell a player when he’s injured. That’s why Gibson lasted until January. But honestly, I am not sure we would have sold Macheda either way. For the simple reason that Berbatov is leaving, Owen is uncertain and we can’t afford to only keep Chicha, Rooney and Danny.

    The best chance Macheda has of making it at United, is if he stays as our 4th choice striker. Lets face it. We will get nowhere any loan moves. He’s wasted the last 2 seasons that way.

  91. Jeet says:

    @iced earth: I’m waiting to hear what RVP has to say about that :)

  92. Sparkz says:

    Nani has racked up almost 40 assists and 25 goals in the last 2 and a bit years. Infuriating yes, but over the course of a season he’s guaranteed to be one of our most productive players. You don’t win Player of the Year awards like he did last season by being inconsistent either – as I said, he’s probably been our best player for over 2 years now.

    I would say that on his off days he’s frustrating rather than anonymous……he very rarely is anonymous, simply because he’s always trying to get on the ball and make things happen, whether they happen or not. For me, him, Rooney and Valenica are our biggest match winners.

    To be fair to Young – his goals and assists record is pretty productive as well. But as I said before, I think Nani is technically better and is more capable of winning you a game.

  93. Sparkz says:

    With regards to Macheda……I’ll be honest, I don’t rate him very highly. But as Costas says, he may get his chance as 4th choice next season. He’s more likely to accept that role than a new striker, who’ll most probably expect regular football.

    The funny thing is – out of Macheda, Welbeck, even Diouf……..Kiko was the one with the least ability IMO. Lacks touch, awareness and ability on the ball. But out of those 3 – his was the agent constantly running his mouth in the press!

    He reminds me a bit of Anderson as well, in that he does usually make a decent impact when he comes off the bench. I’m sure all of his best moments over the years have been as an impact sub. But when he starts games, he just doesn’t do the business.

  94. CedarsDevil says:

    Willie

    Always loved that joke pal! ha ha

  95. MG says:

    Afternoon United

    Quick pop in to say hello

    In school teaching the youth of tomorrow to do the right thing

    :lol:

    19

  96. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Fergie would be taking a risk with macheda even as a fourth choice. Since his wonderful goal against villa, he has gone downhill really. He used to mask his poor technical ability with clinical finishing, now he can’t rely on that anymore, he can’t hit a crockcroach lying inside a dirty still water, his fellow team mate welbeck is streets ahead of him in development. his choice of loan spell destinations have been poor, chose glamour over places like wigan where he’ll get regular games. I just don’t see him making it at united but Fergie seems to want to keep him. He had opportunities at qpr but he was shocking over there or the club wouldn’t go out and splash on cisse and zamora, shows that in the top level, you have to grab your chances even when given little time to show it and he hasn’t shown it simply because he hasn’t got it. The injury has made him slip out of any embarrassment (which i’m sure he already feels)

  97. CedarsDevil says:

    MG

    Enough with these quickies already mate, we need us some longies

  98. Sparkz says:

    How many games did he actually get for QPR though? He was a bit unlucky in that Warnock got sacked just weeks after he joined. Then Mark Hughes came in and wanted to buy established forwards.

  99. WillieRedNut says:

    @ Cedars 11.56

    Funny enough, that’s what the girl said to the solider? ;)

  100. Costas says:

    @Sparkz

    2 starts and 4 appearances from the bench (3 of those were just 10-15 minute cameos). Didn’t help his cause that Warnock was replaced by Hughes.

  101. Costas says:

    Took Danny Welbeck 14 games to open his account for Sunderland. Just thought I’d put that out there. Players are written off far too easily nowdays.

  102. Sparkz says:

    @ Costas – Cheers for that. You’re right, it didn’t help him one bit. As I’ve said, I have severe doubts over his ability to make it. But, he may just get another 12 months to save his Utd career.

    I don’t think Fergie helped by keeping him at the start of the season. 7 strikers ffs, he was never gonna get enough games! Should’ve loaned him out in August.

  103. WillieRedNut says:

    Major drought alert for Liverpool? No hose pipe bans needed though, we’re talking about the league title! :P

  104. King Eric says:

    I actually don’t think Macheda WILL get a look in . In part to the fact Will Keane is scoring for fun and looks a real intelligent player and a top lad. Grafter too.

  105. bobbycharlie1968 says:

    You have to laugh at the bitters in meltdown. Not the team, the fans. They’re flooding the message boards and airwaves across the world saying they couldn’t care less about Fergies comments, or what Rio has said today. So why the fuck are you flooding Sky Sports with comments? Bore off. They’re all rolling out the same shite, “wait until the moral squad who are 10 times better than you thump you 6-1 again at our famous ground!” Ok, number 1, moral winners don’t exist, these people clearly haven’t lived life yet, and you don’t win trophies with morality. We do, but you don’t. Number 2, 10 times better is clearly wrong, why don’t they have 10 times as many points as us? We had a dip in form this season, we’ve been ravaged by injuries, without our captain since December and we are top of the league. Aside from speaking volumes about the quality and belief of our squad, it also shows that money doesn’t guarantee you trophies. City have had fuck all “problems” this year. Honestly, nothing compared to us. They just don’t have what it takes to win. Number 3, famous ground? Yeah, famous for being empty, for having more blue seats than blue fans and famous for only being full when they play us. They are the biggest joke in the footballing world. I will never forget that “guide to being a city fan”. “With your newly bought Carlos Tevez shirt, you can get a tattoo about how we made it to the semi final!” Still makes me laugh in total disbelief. Also the fact they go on and on about that day that never happened, they seem to also conveniently forget that we bossed them and were 3-0 up at their ground at half time in that FA Cup match. If their squad is so morally and technically superior, how come they were 3-0 down? And the fact they still say shite like “City Champions!” Really? The seasons not over and we’re 3 points clear at the minute. I’m not parading around saying we’re champions already, because we’re not. We still have a job to do. City could still win the title, so I’m not going to flounce around saying that my team are the best in England when it’s not been confirmed yet. I’m confident in our ability to make it 20, but I’m not going to assume it’s a foregone conclusion. And they’re still going mad about the Danny YSB Murphy penalty. Fucking love it. Another psychological blow. They’re cracking up beyond imagination. If Chelsea weren’t such fucking pushovers without the mother of all cunts Terry, then they’d be even further behind. They can’t accept the fact that their club are potentially throwing it all away again. At the risk of sounding like the sad geordie bastard keegan, I would fucking love it if we win it at the Emptihad. Would love to hear our supporters chanting “city are back!”. Would love to see that fat cunt crying again. Would love to see them make t-shirts saying “City Real Moral Champions 2011-2012″ while we ram the Premier League trophy down their throats. Usually, I wouldn’t be so gleeful and keen to rub in a title win, but if we do win, I’m holding nothing back. They’ve been crowing about their great oil money squad all season. You would have thought they were champions in fucking September the way they’ve been going on! I will dance around in front of the “city store” (always fucking empty isn’t it?) with an inflatable Premier League trophy, or maybe I’ll get a replica made, and just fucking laugh. Even the murdering victims will have won more trophies than them this season if we win the league!

  106. kanchelskis says:

    @Costas

    But Welbeck’s chief attributes don’t exactly include his finishing, do they? With the quality of supply he would’ve been receiving at the time, that statistic doesn’t exactly boggle the mind.

    My worry about Welbeck’s finishing is it’s very rarely a skill which is imparted and learned, and while I’m sure his will improve, it will never be up there with – say – a Rooney, Van Nistelrooy or even Owen.

  107. Costas says:

    @Sparkz

    Well he got some games but the way our squad was put together, Kiko and Diouf had to play as wingers, because Park had to play as a CM, because Carrick had to play as a defender. I agree that he should have gone on loan from the start of the season. And to a club we usually do good business with on that front. Like Wigan or Sunderland.

    King Eric mentioned Will Keane. I think Kiko will stick around until Will is done with his loan move and comes back to challenge him for his spot. If Macheda hasn’t made any progress until then, that’s when he’ll probably leave.

  108. King Eric says:

    bobbycharlie1968 – Superb pal, superb. We need more of these rants though fella!

  109. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Jeet – technical ability regardless of what position a player plays is paramount, other things should be worked on and encouraged after (work-rate, leadership blah blah)

  110. Costas says:

    @kanchelskis

    Yeah, but Macheda’s service at QPR wasn’t any better was it? On the contrary. I know they are different strikers, but it’s obvious it also took Danny a while to get setlled at Sunderland. In some of those games, he was even taken off at half time. The difference is that Sunderland kept on playing him whereas Macheda hasn’t featured since February 1st.

  111. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Even when welbeck wasn’t scoring, he had an all round game and gradually cemented his place by making an impact. If people read comments well rather than jumping on the parts they don’t approve of.

    Macheda was always a goal scorer at reserve level, his introduction into first team football seemed like going the same way, he was never great technically but He could hit the net but now he is struggling to do that, looks out of his depth throughout his loan spells and that is the fact.

    If Fergie feels the italian has got it to be a first team player then bravo, But personally, i don’t think he does and yes he should get another year and all but i know a quality player when i see one. It’s not writing players off but more casting doubt on them ever being as good as the hype they get. I call it how i see it, throw all your stats at me, i’m not fazed.. …

  112. Jeet says:

    Epic rant from bobbycharlie1968 :lol:

  113. Costas says:

    “I just don’t see him making it at united”

    “shows that in the top level, you have to grab your chances even when given little time to show it and he hasn’t shown it simply because he hasn’t got it”

    Yeah, not writing him off at all…

    And I am not “throwing stats” at no one’s way. Just re enforcing the point I am trying to make in this blog in general. Someone doesn’t like it, tough shit.

  114. Doghouse says:

    I think the Fulham game really highlighted the Chicharito’s shortcomings as anything other than a goalscorer. It’s great to be a goalscorer, it’s great to have them in the side, but when you need more he’s not going to provide you that. You can see it with his first touch, it’s not the first touch of a man who wants to bring the ball under control, it’s the touch of a man looking to move the ball or finish.

    Broken record time, games like Fulham at home were Berbatov’s turf. He was lethal against packed defences because of his strength and control.

  115. CedarsDevil says:

    bobbycharlie

    I honestly believe you are a legend of sorts………. Fucking hell what a read

  116. WillieRedNut says:

    On Hernandez? I’m not sure he’ll ever be that much improved in other areas of his game. Furthermore, I wouldn’t say he’s needs to be the all round striker that some expect of him. The lads a finisher. It’s great having the option of bringing him off the bench to get us a goal. Yeah, his touch needs to be better. and his link up play needs improving, but he does the hardest thing as good as anyone. That’s putting the ball in the net. It’s debatable whether he should be starting every week. To be fair though, he hasn’t this season. He lost his place to Danny. Both Hernandez and Welbeck are still improving. Hell of lot more to come yet from those two.

  117. Bobby Charlton's combover says:

    @bobbycharlie1968: 12:17

    Well said mate. Get it off your chest.

  118. iced earth says:

    i think macheda is not good enough w keane will be our 4 th choise
    http://hereisthecity.com/2012/03/28/7-million-manchester-united-signing-bebe-is-back/
    what about bebe?

  119. Balaji Sivaraman says:

    Is anyone else getting sick of all these Hernandez can do this and Welbeck can do this? Does it really get us anywhere?

    There’s a reason Sir Alex Ferguson has a huge fucking squad. Do you think he compares two players to see who is better an who has this quality and who doesn’t? He knows every player is fucking different. What Hernandez does great, Welbeck doesn’t? Being fucking awesome in the 6-yard box. What Welbeck does great, Hernandez doesn’t? Linking up with other players, running at opposition defenders and holding up the ball. Do you think Sir Alex compares talents like this? He looks at his opposition for the day and picks the player who will play great against their supposed tactics. If they are gonna stay tight and goals will be hard to come by, Hernandez might get the nod. If you need someone who is gonna get physical and can hold up the ball and link with oncoming wingers, Welbeck will get the nod. That is how Sir Alex or any other manager works. If you have two players who are fundamentally alike, then your squad is ineffective.

    I am honestly tired of all these comments. Well Welbeck is technically better and can use the ball. Hernandez can score goals. Why the fuck can’t we have both and use them as we wish. There are 60 fucking matches in a season and we have a huge squad.

    bobbycharlie, Awesome fucking rant again mate. This is what I want to hear after their fucking bitter posts. The fuck do they think they are. Awesome mate, keep em coming.

  120. Booch says:

    HELLO Everyone on this the best site in the world Come on united!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Questions for anyone on this site?

    First question: Will Beroatov go or will he stay will united?
    Second question: Will Sir Alex buy new players in the summer?
    Last question: Will united beat city in the derby match in april?

  121. iced earth says:

    Booch
    we will beat shity at shitehad 1-2

  122. knightsmith says:

    Booch:

    First Question:

    I think Berbatov will go ,but I hope not. I go walking a lot with a lady who supports the dippers, but has the decency to talk sensibly about footy. She reckonsBerbatov is the most gifted player in the Premiership, and she would love him at Liverpool.

    Second Question:

    I think Sir Alex will but a couple of midfielders in the Summer

    Third Question:

    It won’t really matter, as (providing we beat Blackburn), we should be home and dry by then, citeh will lose to the Arse, and Newcastle, but if we have to beat them, we will do.

    I hope that has answered your questions.

  123. 83684 says:

    In England ball control is trivial, only stats about how many goals someone have poached matters.

  124. kanchelskis says:

    Lads, brace yourself for another smear of bitterness streaking its way onto the BBC website immintely. That gobshite Vieira has given an interview where he’s said Utd receive preferential treatment from referees at OT.

    Beggars belief. If this is as good as they can get as ‘mind games’, they may as well give up and go home now.

  125. Zibbie says:

    What a read! Half way through and must go. BBL to read the rest.
    Willie and Costas. Agree for the most part on the $ for transfers, only spend big every 3-5 years. But 50 spent last year was almost 80 with Nasri and Varne?? Add that 30 to this years 20???????????????

  126. Costas says:

    @Booch

    1) Berba will leave
    2) Probably, but nothing like last summer’s spending. 10 millio spent maximum.
    3) United will win on the pitch, City will win in their minds.

  127. iced earth says:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17540540

    Bryan Robson,.“I think Vieira is totally out of order in what he said
    viieira is a stupid money oil grabber

  128. Costas says:

    @Zibster

    And another 30 that could have been spent on Sneijder! :lol:

    Obviously none of us havea crystal ball, but if the recent financial report is true and we have 50 million in the bank, I can’t see us spending a lot this summer. Unless a possible player departure brings in a lot of cash.

  129. WillieRedNut says:

    Check it Zibbie? WRN in your area about to cause mass hysteria! I’m real fly like Jimmy, catch me quick before I slither! Disappear, reappear, who cares, I don’t really! Thank you.

  130. knightsmith says:

    kanchelskis:

    Vieira has a very short memory, yes, Fulham should have had a penalty, but we can all name ones that United should have had, or were unfairly awarded against them this season.

    He seems to have forgotten the Stoke game last week where Stoke had a blatent penalty turned down.

    He has also conveniently forgotten the Spurs match at the council house, where Howard Webb single handedly won the game for them, where Balotelli (who should not have still been on the pitch) won and converted a penatly in the last minute.

    We have been champions four out of the last five years, looking good to make it five out of the last six, we have not finished outside the top three in the last twenty years, does he honestly believe this is down to preferential treatment?

    He should look more at his own club first , the lack of pride they have shown in backing down over Tevez is nothing short of a disgrace, any city supporter who backs Tevez after the way he has insulted the people of Manchester, and the country as a whole ( he hasn’t even bothered to try and learn English in the six years he’s been here) , is not a true supporter in my eyes.

    A totaly classless club !

  131. bobbycharlie1968 says:

    Thanks for all the comments everyone. I do my best to post as many rants as possible, but such is my life at work that I don’t have too much time these days! Hope everyone’s well, hope your kid is doing well too King Eric.

  132. King Eric says:

    bobbycharlie – Yes mate. Tom is sound pal. Thanks alot for asking.

    Doghouse – Said exactly the same thing yesterday. Games like that are made for Berbatov.

    Balaji – Spot on pal.

  133. YorYor says:

    Wonder why so many are so quick to write off Macheda… if Anderson and Gibson could get 4 years, why can’t Macheda? He needs a run of games to get himself into the run of things.
    Anyway, there were plenty of voices saying Evans and Carrick weren’t United quality either. So there.

  134. samuel - united WE stand says:

    If many said evans and carrick weren’t united quality then i certainly wasn’t one off them. Once more, read the posts well…… Doubts over macheda, up to him to step his game up and prove people wrong.

  135. Redbilly says:

    Bobbycharlie- I guess supporting city was never an option? :-) great rant. You can’t dance outside the city shop, you will disrupt the queue waiting to get in haha

  136. Zibbie says:

    BC1968 is a RoM legend IMO!!!!

    Wolfie LOL!!!!!!!!!!

    50 mill in the bank.?. And the loss of revenue in the CL and FA cups with early exits.

    Still if SAF believes if one of his long term targets that will make Man Utd better I think he would pull the trigger.

    Stateside Ausie who is now not stateside said it so awesome, what I have eluded to, SAF is stocking the pantry with so much young talent to leave the club healthy and free up some 70 million for the new gaffer to spend the way they want after reviewing all the young talent and how it fits into his formation and then he buys 2-3 bigger profile players to make his system work. Thus SAF does not want to buy big and paint the new gaffer in a corner to use all his players and a smaller transfer kitty.

  137. Zibbie says:

    Educated Man Utd fans have taught me, all teams drop point. How does the gaffer, team and fans respond. Yes the FANS! Makes all the difference. Cunts like KR and Anti are out there, but they are trumped by the likes of KE, MG, Tree, Wolfie, Fletch, Kebab, the Indian lads and silent members of the past, hey Smartalex. and so many more. By mentioning a few I have left out so many more. No disrespect.

  138. WillieRedNut says:

    Zibbie – I don’t think the cash is there for a summer splash? I don’t believe we need it anyway. The mantra will be the same. If a quality player becomes available, we might act. As for the new manager, whoever it may be? He’ll have a top squad to pick from. That’s not important at this minute though. Securing title number 20 is the objective.

  139. Zibbie says:

    20 OK got it!!!!!!!!!!! hehe

  140. WillieRedNut says:

    Lets go get it! Fucking 20 man!!

  141. Zibbie says:

    Wolfie count me in for a spring run in……….. let go, the pack of RoM………..

  142. Five says:

    Nervous win but i thought ddg did very well and kept his concentration. Valencia was immense as usual and young worked hard defensively.

    On the negatives..evra has been such a worry this season i wonder if sir alex will be investing in full backs ths summer..any word on fryers contract…spurs were reportedlt after hom.

    Utd till i die.

  143. WillieRedNut says:

    The pack is ready to go Zibster!

  144. Redbilly says:

    Viera. One of city’s ….. Sorry arsenals greats. Fuck me can’t they even fund on of their own former greats as a spokesperson. He’s only there because he acted as a dressing room informant. His mind games are really not worthy of a response .

  145. WeAreUnited says:

    let’s be honest for this Nani debate, don’t forget what he has done for us +

    LUIS NANI is WORLDCLASS and Young is a good english player with maybe a bit better brains than the others english players and he is needed.

    With Nani’s technique and skill he would be taken to Real Madrid or Barcelona in a second.

    Anyway we are UNITED and I support all our players and I think Young is a good asset for our team.

    Just don’t be brainless and say Nani isn’t good, it makes you a bit retarded my fellow United guys ;DDD

  146. ivan says:

    Chicarito -he must be Philipo Inzaghi bastard!?The boy does not know how to stop the ball,drible,pass but yet he managed 10 PL goals.Botom line,dont like his overall contribution.
    Evra- we need a new LB,PRONTO!Baines,anyone?
    Gigs- we need a new CM/AM.

  147. Casper says:

    Let us not forget our away game against Stoke in which we should have been given a penalty for a challenge on Hernandez and the offender should have been sent off (last defender).

  148. BOOCH says:

    HELLO Everyone on this site!!!!!!!
    Knightsmith this is 4 you: You did answer my questions thanks you 4 that where are you from I think Young and Rooney and Valenia are the best players 4 united this year and I think Sir Alex will buy 3 top players in the summer and united will be the best in the world plus united will beat city in the derby 3 0 and win the leauge this year and Knightsmith I am a true united fan not a livershit fan ok

  149. MichaelPapoui says:

    You could only tell it was a penalty in super slo mo, from where the ref stood in real time it looked as if Carrick deflected the ball. remember what Brian Clough said about pundits with the benefit of hindsight.

  150. T. says:

    Noone here thinking Evras headless attacking runs, that never comes to anything but a blocked cross, when leading by just one goal is unnecessary. It leaves us with only 3 defenders, and the team (this time Fulham) starting to take chances, leaving 3 or 4 players to just focus on attack. It makes us really vurnerable to counterattacks. I think he has to start thinking football again, and step up his defensive act if he is to keep his place next year. I for one is starting to get tired of him doing all kind of wrong stuff in places he shouldn´t be in the first place. I hold him responsible for setting up the penelty not given to Fulham.

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