1. In the newsletter I reflected on just how many times we’ve beaten Wigan 4 or 5 nil since our first ever match against them when they joined the Premier League in 2005. There were times yesterday when you had to doubt whether a 4-0 was on the cards but somehow, like we usually do against them, we stepped up our game to dish out a thrashing. It’s getting a bit silly how often we beat them by this scoreline, the 5th time in eight seasons, but I’m not complaining, obviously. In the first half we were controlling the game and creating chances but just couldn’t put them away. It was great to see our hard work pay off in the second half.
2. Paul Scholes scored a scrappy goal against Liverpool on his 500th game so it was nice to see him score again in his 700th. Michael Carrick did well to find Nani in space in the box, Nani then fired a rare on target effort at Al Habsi which the keeper palmed in to the path of Scholes for an easy tap in. Even at 37-years-old, he’s proving what an important member of the team he still is. At 38-years-old, Ryan Giggs is proving less important, but he should have continued his record as the only player to score in every Premier League season after Danny Welbeck won a soft penalty. Whilst Giggs doesn’t take what I would regard to be a great penalty, he is always calm under pressure and always scores. I would have had Nani on penalty taking duty before Javier Hernandez too and wasn’t surprised to see the Mexican take a tame shot which was easily saved by Al-Habsi.
3. Fortunately for Chicharito he made up for his penalty miss with our second goal, with an assist from Alexander Büttner. So often Chicharito fails to beat the offside trap and can be frustratingly lazy with ensuring he is onside when we’re in possession, but he timed his run to perfection yesterday. That finish was him at his best, the reason why we bought him, and whilst he didn’t have the greatest game, he looked better than he has done and managed to put us 2-0 up. He also seemed tougher on the ball, more resilient when a challenge came in, and won the ball for us in situations he wouldn’t have last season. His strike partner, Welbeck, had a worse afternoon, despite his tireless effort. He got himself in to good positions plenty of times but just couldn’t seem to get his shot away, and when he did, it wasn’t good enough. Welbeck did the hard work to set up Nick Powell for the fourth goal though but he will be disappointed that he didn’t take advantage of Rooney and Van Persie’s absence to show what he can do.
4. Büttner, who was making his début after his surprise transfer deadline day arrival, can be impressed with his performance though. Wigan didn’t offer much down that right hand side and it was only Wigan, but everything he did, he did well. He was great going forward and made a few robust challenges. The crowd really got behind him as the game went on and his hard work was eventually rewarded with a brilliant goal. He took on four players before managing to beat the keeper from such a tight angle. Will he replace Patrice Evra in our starting line-up? It will be interesting to see how he gets on against tougher opposition but he did take the piss out of our goal-shy Frenchman by scoring so early on in his United career.
5. Powell came off the bench with 20 minutes to go, getting the nod over Tom Cleverley, and scored a belter, to ensure that all our new signings scored on their home début. A few minutes after coming on he charged forward but was guilty of a sloppy pass which probably was playing on his mind. He knew he was so much better than that. The goal just seemed to open up for him so it was great to see him take his chance.
6. Contrary to reports you might have read, there weren’t any audible chants about Hillsborough yesterday. Following a chant of “racist bastard”, about Luis Suarez, the “always the victim, it’s never your fault” was sung. This is a song that originated following Liverpool FC’s refusal to accept Suarez’s guilt after he had racially abused Evra. The words “always” and “never” suggest the chant is about more than just Suarez though. Following the Heysel disaster, where 39 people died, Liverpool’s chairman, John Smith, claimed it wasn’t Liverpool fans who caused the deaths, but Chelsea fans who were in the crowd at the Liverpool vs Juventus European Cup final. This song has been sung every week, home and away, since it was first sung. Yesterday, the first time it was sung was five minutes in to the game, directly following the “racist bastard” chant, as it usually is. Was it bad taste and thoughtless to sing it yesterday? Probably, particularly given how eager the media is to create something out of nothing so they have a story for next weekend, but after being sung loudly every week for almost a year, it’s strange now for the media to decide it’s about Hillsborough. It’s incredibly irresponsible for some sections of the press to claim this chant is about Hillsborough, particularly with our trip to Anfield next weekend, and unbelievable they can get away with it. To suggest that 1000s of United fans have been mocking the tragedy every weekend for months in singing this song is bang out of line.
Man Utd News 24/7
Any opportunity to give man utd negative press the media jump on it!
Forget the facts lets jump to conclusions. Cunts the lot of them! And they wonder y they get banned from pressers
Another excellent Reactions to the Match. Thanks StR, especially for the at-the-game insight.
Always great to see new players stepping up.
Personally, I’d really like to see Carrick higher up the pitch, though it does mean losing a good inerceptor ahead of our central defenders. He has an eye for good passes around the box.
Always love the reactions articles Scott!
I’ve got a good feeling about Buttner. Well, I didn’t really expect much, so that’s why i was pleasantly surprised. Definitely its going to take a while for him to stake his claim, but yesterday was promising enough. One game can’t say much, we saw most of his attacking abilities. We’ll have the verdict on his defending as games past. He’s got the potential for sure. He was signed to ‘protect the future’, so yeap, there we go. Future, and he looks excited. Not too bad to score on a debut too eh?
Point 6 is on the money.
Would like to see how Buttner does against better opposition, if he can handle the big boys id have no issue letting patrice go to QPR or wherever our new retirement home is after this season, and hopefully Fabio picks up some playing time too and comes back to challenge for the spot. Some decent young talent now in that position, they just simply need the experience which is so impossible to get with evra playing almost every game the last few seasons.
I was pleased with Nani’s performance . He obviously still has something to offer and should not be shown the door yet. Büttner did ok . he used to play as a winger , so that has helped him with those forward runs. what he needs to develop is his crossing and defending and to be honest ,i can’t se replacing Evra this year, maybe next year if he steps up.
And here we are. Weeks after calling Juventus ‘racists’ Scott the Red once again offering faux concern for the plight of Juventus fans re Heysel.
Just like Suarez could not get away with applying his meaning of choice to the word negro nor can some United fans, at their convenience, redefine the chant ‘always the victim, it’s never your fault’. This is a chant which is as much an underhand reference to Hillsborough as any other item of concern- be it Suarez/Evra or Heysel.
STR I saw the same in Lil Pea, much stronger on the Ball. had more in his game then last shoulder runs.
Just 1 thing from me. Surely we have better corner takers than Nani? He still can’t beat the first man with it. Yes he did provide the assist for Rvp last game, but that almost seem like a fluke.
Marq
Yea I wouldn’t put him on corner duty however he’s probably been our most creative player for a few years. One season he had 17 assists. With a run in the team I think he can get back to those levels.
brett1985
By that logic, any song generally referencing Scousers is also an underhanded reference to any item of concern, including Hillsborough, Suarez/Evra or Heysel.
Evra is an experienced campaigner, I don’t think it’s wise to get rid when united haven’t got a proven replacement yet. Buttner was doubted by some because he isn’t a big name. The manager always picks up rough diamonds and develop them into stars, hopefully the dutchman can be another. He’s got that,drive and determination, strong and athletic but he’s also technically very good. Wasn’t tested enough against wigan but hr doesn’t look overrawed by the top level. His defensive side will be worked up on but he does look a tough customer. He needs time to settle but he sure will give pat a run for his money. I expect evra to still be first choice though, hope he steps his game up.
As for powell, I claimed a while ago that he’ s got everything to replace scholes. Great technical skill, vision, good passer of the ball, will pop with spectacular goals or the routine ghosting into the box and slamming one home. He has general class and plays effortlessly like great players but pressure should not be placed on him, he’ll keep learning off master scholes and will one day be hopefully ready to be a regular, big potential there.
DreadedRed
So you are trying to tell me that even though the words victim and fault have been the central terms in a 23 fight for justice that the use of these words in a recent chant have nothing to do with that.
according to yesterdays comments
carrick-shite
nani-shite
evra-fucked
wellbeck-no quality
giggs and scholes shouldn’t play in same team
little pea-shite
THANK FUCK WE ONLY WON 4-0
what would the comments be from these depressing bastards if we had been beat
Scousers have got short memories pre hillsborough they sung Munich songs and Munich 58 banners at all there games so I for one will always give them stick . Did it not take them 28years to say sorry for heysel ?
Tell you what. If Manchester United fans have concern for people who are victims of football tragedys then they should be singing Justice for the 96. Would anyone object? After all we do have a concern for the victims of all tragedies. RIght?
I can’t agree more with point 6. Last night heard on the radio that there were ‘offensive chants about Hillsborough’ and I felt sad that we weren’t taking the higher ground. Now the truth about the chant comes out, it makes me really angry that the media are trying to stir things up ahead of the game at Anfield so they can feign moral ourtrage when something happens next week.
Markg – if I were you, I would analyse united games by my own views and not by others, you won’t win lol.
samuel yeah i don’t usually come on matchdays for that reason- but on a lazy sunday i can’t help myself looking back at the comments i wonder can i get matchday comments blocked ha ha
brett1985 – No, I’m not trying to tell you that.
Why is it that “after being sung loudly every week for almost a year” it’s only now that everyone is saying it’s about Hillsborough? Is it about Hillsborough, or is it about a pattern of squeaky clean unimpeachable innocence from our foes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2B-ZUoKf4o&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Great series of tackles in the link above.
Media are just stirring up shit. Saying we will escape punishment for our fans singing those “songs”
If they are going to punish us, tell them to punish every team in the league because every team has its own stupid “fans” who do stupid things. We came out with a statement against that, which is much more than what other teams have done already
Couldn’t agree more with point 6. Seen today the BBC bloke at Spurs vs Reading brought up the chanting, calling it “vile”. Right so calling Liverpool victim seekers, which make no mistake they fucking are, is vile but defending a racist cunt and murdering 39 people isn’t? The media in this country make me sick. Am I the only one who thinks that journalism is meant to be unbiased?!? Why is it slowly becoming more opinion and less fact?!?!? It’s as if they expect us not to hate Liverpool all of a sudden. When for years they’ve taunted us about Munich not to mention the many things us fans have encountered. The famous scouse sense of humour of throwing shit, death threats etc. They’re fucking cretinous scum. It wasn’t a good idea because the media will jump on anything given the spotlight but it’s as if they expected us to sing you’ll never walk alone or something! Is it not clear that we FUCKING HATE LIVERPOOL? There’s no question the Hillsborough cover up is sickening. But to be honest, it’s nothing new. Wasn’t the whole Suez Canal operation a cover up? What about the endless atrocities the USA commits that don’t get press attention? So as far as I’m concerned it doesn’t change anything. I still hate the scousers, I still hate they’re fucking scummy club and I’m not going to sanitise my feelings for them. The only reason I would is so that a media storm isn’t created to bring disrepute to our great club. We should steer clear of anything too controversial (which is subjective, everyone has a fucking opinion these days, which probably answers my earlier question about shite jounalism) and let the furore die down. Or better yet, let the scouse shoot themselves in the foot by singing about Munich. They’ve been singing it since well before Hillsborough, so the way the press treats each club in this matter is fucking ridiculous. They paint Liverpool as a victim, which only massages they’re status as sinned against. They paint us as scum. In every report I read about Rodgers and Fergie telling fans to cut out the songs, the taunts about Munich from the scouse cunts were always mentioned as an afterthought. I’ve never heard us sing Hillsborough songs, I know they’re out there and they’re sick, and Heysel was not a tragedy for them, they’re murdering bastards. So what exactly is it that we’ve done wrong?!? When the majority of Anfield sings about Munich and a very small minority of our fans sing about Hillsborough, we’re always the ones who get the negative attention. It wouldn’t bother except for the fact that it smears our clubs reputation. I guarantee if ANYTHING deemed remotely controversial is done by our fans next weekend it’ll be a talking point of the season. Even if we put forth a nice gesture, it’ll probably be seen as piss taking. The fact is we are nowhere near as bad as the press make out to be, and some clubs, like the scouse and stoke, are fucking way worse than they’re made out to be. It’s all a moot point I suppose. People love to hate us. Hated, Adored, never ignored.
September 16, 2012 at 18:13
markg says:
according to yesterdays comments
carrick-shite
nani-shite
evra-fucked
wellbeck-no quality
giggs and scholes shouldn’t play in same team
little pea-shite
THANK FUCK WE ONLY WON 4-0
what would the comments be from these depressing bastards if we had been bea
it’s not like we played Barcelona and won, but you are right , people over here will say anything, and then when you defend the players,you are called crazy. like samuel – united WE stand put it:
if I were you, I would analyse united games by my own views and not by others, you won’t win lol.
hahah, you never win, either you’re crazy or something is wrong with you
DD
DreadedRed
There are three aspects to that unimpeachable innocence 1/Heysel 2/Hillsborough 3/Suarez. The fact is that the very terminology of victim and fault are inextricably linked to Hillsborough.
It would be charitable to suggest that this chant is saying…yes you were the victims and blameless about Hillsborough so what about Heysel…
But the reality is that who was a victim and who was at fault for Hillsborough, has been for some people an open question until this week. So the chant ‘always the victim, never at fault’ is, I’m afraid’ was as much to question who was to blame for Hillsborough as it was to take the moral high ground re Heysel/Suarez.
Whilst I’m glad to say that this chant does not go so far as to rejoice in death, it does casually trample of people’s suffering. We’ve appointed ourselves as arbitrator and taken the moral high ground. The reality is that we are not interested in victims. It was only last month that Scott the Red labelled Juventus fans as Racists. We’ve no concern for these people or the victims. These chants are a stick with which to beat Liverpool FC.
Always the victim, never at fault is precisely in this category and it takes the two questions of victim-hood and fault which we are all fully aware are linked with the debates surrounding Hillsborough and calls those into question.
How about we prove that we are really interested in victims and sing Justice for the 96 next week?
btw ,
did you see how chicharito tracked back and won the ball, wow what kind of dedication
same with others, and then Nani almost got infront of the player with that trick and got stamped or whatever 
scholes being scholes, it was a crazy 30 second hahah
Great match review STR.
i just can’t understand why Giggs didn’t take the penalty
I would never ask nani to take a pen, he has a terrible pen record. Giggs takes a mean pen, i prefer him ahead of nani
yeah thought the same, Proverb, even though Chicharito scores alot of goals from penalty with Mexico, so didnt mind at all, but Giggs would have been the man for the job,
maybe he’ll continue his legacy in another match
Never he say’s
http://www.iol.co.za/sport/soccer/premier-league/i-ll-never-win-the-title-carragher-1.1384004#.UFYUG7JmT1E
Excellent game and result particularly with the firepower we left sat there sitting.Great
Yeah @weareunited noot an over reaction but a concern all the same, we have seen some bad spot kicks recently from United and someday somewhere it could come back and bite us on the ass, Unlike before where Irwin, Van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo and up until lately Rooney was pretty reliable too its become very unpredictable who’d be first choice. If rooney and robin van persie were both on the pitch today, who’s going to be kicker after RVP’s miss last week, Rooney might be entitle to say I should be….
But yeah, the only good thing to do in situation like this its practising, rooney missed one in the pre – season vs barcelona
Brett 1985.
No social work jobs going where you are,give it a rest man stop trying to be the blogs conscience.
good reactions scott. First rate. Also didn’t hear any Hillbilly songs so was surprised at the reports. Think sports writers are more about slinging sh@t at a wall and seeing what sticks.. emm, sort of like Liverpool fans. Not in it, and believe me, Suarez is fair game. And LFC for letting him continue to bring the evra thing up. No class at all from LFC, which is about what we have grown to expect. Not to but a date on it but (counts to himself) well….
Also take wee issue with the statement about Powell’s goal. “The goal just seemed to open up for him so it was great to see him take his chance.” The goal didn’t “just seem to open up”, it was a brilliant little push of the ball into space that gave the lad acres of space. Agree he was a bit heavy on the ball earlier. But “THAT”?! That goal was pure class. Hope we see much more of the same from both Powell and Büttner.
Finally, a comment needs to be made about the hard challenges. Don’t know where that came from, especially in the second half. But let’s be having more of that. It actually was a much more elevated style. Legs bent to cup the ball and the other player then falls over the ball. LOVE TO SEE MORE of the same. Brilliant stuff….. second half. First half.. maybe we will just set that aside.
Still steamed that Giggs wasn’t asked to take that pen. Really truly steamed
brett1985
i think it can be logically argued both ways. It is insensitive, but hardly cruel or vicious.
It depends on intent, I guess. Which ranks it as similar to “(man) + (u)”
Abhorrent to some, yet blissfully irrelevant to many.
Also buttner was first choice back at his club with a 100% success rate
Defenders seem to be good at penalties too
And this guy buttner has some talent, he just whack it to the roof of the net
I like him already
And don’t get me started about the the Wigan fouls not called. Martinez has some nerve!
brett1985
I won’t be singing “Justice for the 96″, but I’m prepared to sign a “Peace for the 96″
Justice seems unreachable in this regard.
Fletch I saw Powell’s 1st touch as well, and at the same time faked a shot getting the defender to go to ground!
Just a question to you regulars.
Any one else see words highlighted in there posts. Like my post above comes out with “goals” and “challenges” double undelined and in red text. Proverbs post above has the same w “club”.
I my cursor gets anywhere near any of these words I get a pop up add from some university had could care less about.
Is this some new kind of pop up to evade our pop up blockers. REALLY ANNOYING!
Figo: “I’m star-struck when i see Paul Scholes becuse you never see him. On the pitch you can’t catch him, off the pitch he disappears.”
FletchTHEMAN – your device has been accidentally targeted by Real Madrid.
It’s a virus.
in 1989 96 families waited for family that never came home.
They also waited 23 years for an end to the story that their dead relatives – many of them young kids – were somehow complicit in their own death, that the 96 somehow were responsible for what happened to them.
A couple of days ago the bereaved families got their wish. It became apparent to everyone that the 96 dead were victims first of a police cock up, and then cover up. And I’m talking here about the football fans in the central pen in Leppings Lane in Hillsborough, the 96 fans who were in the ground before kick off waiting for the match to start. There is no question that they were victims.
Yesterday we sang ‘Always the victims, it’s never your fault’
In my opinion this was ill-judged, and beneath our great club.
@ FletchTHEMAN, me too!. I suppose it’s one of the advertisement scheme that STR allowed on this site.
@ Dreaded Red
Why is justice unreachable?
The big issue here is that our so called betters the establishment of this country has perpetrated an enormous cover up having killed 96 people through a combination of ineptitude and laziness.
It’s become a Liverpool V Man U issue which in reality is of no importance at all. No one has ever died as result of someone sing a song, offensive or not. But, if this has been covered up what else has?
Happy for Buttner & Powell
i don’t approve of the chants but i agree as soon as anything comes from us its wrong and we’re the bad ones, where’s all the talk and reports of when liverpool or others chant munich never seems to get a mention, i’m not condoning it but its unfair how you can slam one set of fans for doing it and not another set for doing something equally as bad
Can’t wait for anfield get this shit going
Cause after all the chants yesterday were towards suarez but still the media found a way to take the piss at united fans
@Brett 1985
Why don’t you go fuck yourself along with the scousers and the media. Nobody gives a shit about your after thought. You attention deprived prick. Glorifying those scousers as the worst victims on the planet. There are people in africa who has endured worse atrocities. #Dumbass!
parryheld
We have some very misguided fans who have a big voice like the cunt Duncan Drasdo. I doubt my ‘once in a while’ contribution on this blog will have a big impact. It’s going to hell! Thankfully, the club are taking the appropriate line.
It has just become a trend with Manchester United and MUST/Red Issue or Liverpool and Spirit of Shankley that that as the most whiney little bitches they are always being asked for comment whenever they represent fewer and fewer fans. Look at Red Issue, they’ve almost been completely discredited. MUST to follow.
just google ‘pop up killer’ download it for free…most pop up shit gets cleared
MAN CPT:
Don’t think you wanted to select Africa for comparison lol. Lots of Liverpool fans there!
@ brett 1985
Just shows how ignorant and self wallowing you are.
Now go suck your momma’s tit and go to bed. Grown men are blogging here.
MAN CPT
Self wallowing? Good one.
Least I don’t have to wallow in an IQ of 60!
Cedarsdevil has just asked me by e-mail to state that he is no longer banned from ROM……But he doesn’t want to post here at present.
using his own words……quote….Would you mind please telling the fuckers that I am not banned? I simply do not want to get on any more!…… unquote
Nani had a good game. Giggs need more games to be actively involved.
Brett 1985.
The whole saga/tragedy has nothing to do with me but were any member of my family killed I would have plenty to say and a lot of things I wanted to know.Firstly I would not attempt to exonerate the Liverpool fans who forced themselves in to the ground.I cant say I have seen any that did asking for forgiveness or admitting they were one of the multiples of hundreds that did.Surely your average citizen of Liverpool must have been asking the same.The cameras were rolling as it happened and I would suspect a goodly number at the back were culpable how come there was no call to identify and question them.After all a criminal act had been commited,I could go on and on the only good thing is that some of the first culprits in were probably victims also.
On point 6 I think in fairness everyone knew how the media were going to react if anything was said or sung that they could remotely connect with h’boro, so no real surprises United are getting so much stick. Let’s be honest if the United fans took a Heysel 39 banner to Anfield on sunday it’d be taking in the same bad taste despite having nothing to do with h’boro.
I personally do think it was sung at the wrong place and wrong time considering what the report this week said. I don’t even think anyone could disagree the report it was shocking and disgusting.
Despite saying that it is really pissing me off how whiter than white every scouser is behaving. Don’t forget this is a club that brought an inflatable plane to Old Trafford and has continually mocked Munich since I can remember. They where responsible for Heysel and don’t get me started on Suarez so any notion that we aren’t now allowed to voice any sort of opinion on them is ridiculous and that’s how the media seem to be making it out.
I support the 96, it was shocking and wrong what happened to put it mildly, went way beyond football rivalry but to suggest Liverpool FC are now innocent of everything in their history because of that is a complete joke, they’re not untouchable by any means and is disgraceful that the media are making out like that.
That could just as easily have happened to 96 of us. It could have been me.
That’s why I’ll never sing about it, or mock it, but I’m sick of them acting like everyone else is the fucking bad guy victims
http://www.footballfancast.com/2012/09/premiership/newcastle-united/the-premier-league-wag-xi-for-the-201213-season
FletchTHEMAN
The issue involving the adds placed amongst the text was discussed in th elast thread “goals”, It has been decided that it is indeed a addbot picked up by the user who indulges in googling at peruvian hill women porn cross emo midget cross voodoo gorilla salad. I wouldnt worry about it my friend just a straight forward course of antibiotics from your GP and youll be as right as rain.
parryheld: Well doesn’t your analysis just go to prove my original objection about Scott’s analysis that for many people ‘always the victim, never your fault’ is in part a reference to Hillsborough. After all you are apportioning part blame where there is a suggestion of innocence and finding perpetrators where others see victims.
TonyBee
Are you telling us that you dont get the adds in the text. What have you got as browser and anti virus if that happens to be the case.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Sep/sir-alex-ferguson-focused-on-the-champions-league.aspx?pageNo=1
Browser..anti virus,,,,now your getting technical…..have pop-up killer and ad-killer combined…put on by by Nephew who is a computer geek
get internet by virgin use igoogle and have McAfee internet security with added programs to kill of unwanted shit,… my puter regularly updates stuff from these
also downloaded a program called Spybot Search and Destroy…which regularly cleans up all the viruses that the ad people put in to watch what you watch
AP 43 …’having killed’ …. you are talking utter bollocks you idiot
TonyBee Good, thanks for the Cedars message, so I guess it is multi user people and other things we have some 30 great posters staying away. Cool good to know.
FUCK OFF WURMS MULTIPLE GENDER FUCKS!!!!!!!
TonyBee
I tried a few pop up killers a while back and it locked the system down, never gone back. Ive been pretty happy with AVG for the most part. I dont get any pop up windows or the like unless I visit some particularly nasty sites but thats to be expected, lol. I just wondered if StR knew about it and its him that has set it up. Must admit its pretty all over the place, sometimes they are there for a particular piece of text and sometimes theyre not but hover the cursor when you read text as I generally do then you get all sorts of shit pop up. annoying.
Good to have a geek in the family who can take care of things. With worms bots and backdoor men I dont know whether I should wipe or keep them at bay by keeping things dirty. I dont know whether Im cuming or going, lol.
Zibbie
Come on fellah enough with slagging off the multiple gender fucks. If it wasnt for them then I wouldnt have such bad arthritic wrists and then i wouldnt have my disabled parking pass and then i would have to park down the road and walk forty yards to the newsagents and then i wouldnt have the energy to beat one off to my fortnightly Goats n Jugs.
Oh FFS…
It’s 2012. Those of you who don’t use firefox/chrome and adblock deserve all the ads, spam and malware coming your way.
1) install firefox
2) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-plus/
Also, who needs a messenger telling people on a blog that he is butthurt and won’t be posting anymore. Is it elementary school all over again?
Diego
Ok fellah Im no newfag. I have firefox and chrome but generally steer clear of adblock as ive had problems with it in the past. I still get these silly text adds despite firefox.
When my pointing finger touches the underwired subjects, no blocker can stop the pop-up.
My cup runneth over.
“Contrary to reports you might have read, there weren’t any audible chants about Hillsborough yesterday. Following a chant of “racist bastard”, about Luis Suarez, the “always the victim, it’s never your fault” was sung. ”
Maybe come up with a different song? The fans certainly have the ability.
However you want to spin it, it’s like a child pleading to an adult “But I didn’t use those exact words!” despite the obvious conotations. Do the people who lost loved ones on both side sing vile songs? I doubt it, but they’ll be the ones hurt by them, the pricks will continue chanting and most people (I hope) will wonder what possesses some people to do certain things.
If you don’t reference things exactly you can get away with saying things. It doesn’t wash, even if the other boys started it.
—–
“But to be honest, it’s nothing new. Wasn’t the whole Suez Canal operation a cover up? What about the endless atrocities the USA commits that don’t get press attention? So as far as I’m concerned it doesn’t change anything.”
What? Instead of saving lives the people we trust for our safety tested blood of victims to check for alcohol so they could blame them more easily… and the politicians don’t care. And the media are too incompetent, or too corrupt, to investigate and publish the truth. And we all swallow it because it’s so common, like there’s no difference between a modern democracy and a dictatorship.
A message to ‘bobbycharlie1968′……….you tipify EVERYTHING this country is shite about. I really hope you don’t have/can’t have children. You are (to be fair there are other ‘jeremy Kyle-ites’ on here) a sub human creature. You are such a credit to your club, I bet they are glad they have animals like you and a few others attaching themselves to their name.
LOL Goat!
Like I saw on Anthony Bourdain in Tahiti to He Shes and LOL!!!!!!!!!
I have a friend his wife has two vagina’s, only one works, for real. LOL!!!!!! Its true.
@ tony bee
Yep, having killed as per the the report. The fact that you are constantly in denial changes nothing at all.
I’m far more bothered about the big picture than trying to score points off another teams fans.
And as for your petty insults, you wouldn’t say it to my face so it’s of no significance.
AP 43
How would you know that he wouldn’t say it to your face?
Why bring that up?
Are you perhaps telling us that you are a fine specimen? Would any man fear you?
@ Dreaded Red
Because generally anyone who simply insults on a blog board for having an different opinion to themselves hasn’t got a great deal going for them.
AP 43
But why would a person that hasn’t got a great deal going for them, refrain from insulting you to your face? I don’t see the connection.
@ Dreaded Red
Apologies but I don’t understand your point either But, if you were having a conversation with someone in the street or a pub and you disagreed with them I doubt you would call them an idiot. However, on a blog board someone will, that’s my point really.
Don’t mess with me I’m a kickboxer.
We also get chants about Shipman from a minority of LFC/LUFC fans but that’s never mentioned either. I’ve heard chants about the Leeds fans who were murdered in Turkey too. Some Everton fans also sing “39 Italians can’t be wrong”.
What really fucking annoys me is that Manchester United fans who sing these stupid songs in such a mindless and insensitive way had been gifted the upper moral hand last season with the way Liverpool behaved over the Evra-Suarez affair – yet instea of seizing this opportunity to take the moral high ground and act the bigger man a minority have ruined it for the majority of our fans who are mates with scousers, work with them, and understand the community aspects of the North West mean that in a tight knit fashion we’re all in it together against this fucking corrupt establishment.
And this defence that the song is a reference to Suarez and Heysel (which it is) is still not good enough, it’s still tasteless as we all know the press or rival fans dont look at the semantics of what people chant.
I’m really fucking annoyed that those people who sang that yesterday have put me in the position of having no moral leg to stand on because there’s been a media storm. Just in the same way that Al-Habsi gave the referee a decision to make on the penalty yesterday when he didn’t need to risk it, some of our supporters have risked getting away with singing a song knowing the risk involved in singing it.
I have never bought The Sun and never will, I’m united through and through but this transcends rivalry and I’m proud to be a United fan who supports the fight to bring justice for the 96 (or 97 if you think about the lad who committed suicide last year as a result).
That is all.
brett1985 – a foot in mouth expert?
AP 43 – the anonymity afforded us leads to the easy airing of preposterous views, no doubt.
‘@ Dreaded Red.
Exactly.
Almost 6 pm here. A good weekend , a Wed game. Then the Dippers.
@STR…. Welbeck did the hard work to set up Nick Powell for the fourth goal.It was Chicharito who setup Nick for his goal..cheers!!
so many scouse cunts on here. how hard is it for u to understand that united supporters sung about Heysel and Suarez not the hillsborough? its u who tried to spin it. its not new thing for u though as we saw that in heysel and we saw that in suarez-evra accident. also dont forget in FA Cup semifinal last season a journo liverpool fan tried to antagonizing a chelsea fan and his daughter. ITS NEVER YOUR FAULT! ALWAYS THE VICTIMS!
brett1985 says:
Don’t mess with me I’m a kickboxer.
oh well, tough guy stop taking high moral while being a bully then…
Wrestlers eat kick-boxers for lunch!
Do they still eat rat in liverpool?
or have they upgraded to just beating up every DJ who says no to a song request?
This is a Manchester United blog….
IF you didn’t like the chant or want to interpret it in your own, foolish ways… rant about it at YOUR OWN blogs…….. bugger off.
Buttner is good, anyone is better than Evra anyway. But the usual suspects showed the same nonsense: Rafael is a clown and Welbeck is not anywhere near Utd quality. Hernandez is also a very average player ( not because of pen miss ). Nick Powell : a lot to prove. A Gibson-style goal at 3-0 up at home doesn’t prove anything,. SAF is trying to deflect the real issue of his weak and ineffective midfield here. Slightly better teams than Wigan will expose you yet again, last season. Utd could not handle Fellaini, Dembele. What about Xavi, Iniesta, Ronaldo, Ozil, Yahya, Silva, Goetze and so on? Quality is something missing sorely in Utd’s squad these days.
I stopped by the apple store and used their bathroom .. iPeed
Good morning ROM.
The dumbest people on earth are generally located in comment sections of websites all over the world.
I’m looking at you john tring terry
In your own highself defining what should be called united quality
To claim there were no audible chants about Hillsborough is pathetic. Like the MUST claiming credit for the lack of direct reference to Hillsborough!!
So as long as it’s an indirect reference it’s OK, is it?
As you say, this is a relatively new chant that arose out of the Suarez case. New enough, in fact, that at the time of its creation, Liverpool had accepted the culpability of its fans and apologised for its contribution to the Heysel tragedy.
So for the chant to make sense, it MUST (pardon the pun) be a reference to Hillsborough, the only significant event Liverpool and its fans have never accepted fault for. That’s exactly what thousands of United fans have been alluding to every weekend. To suggest otherwise is completely laughable revisionism.
The fact the chant does not explicitly reference Hillsborough is no more the point than to say Liverpool supporters making plane noises or Arsenal fans hissing are not explicitly references to the ‘humour’ of depraved minds.
That’s not to mention the references to ‘murderers’, ‘not enough’, etc that were also made at the Wigan match.
And for clarity, John Smith never said it was the fault of Chelsea fans. What he alluded to was the number of ‘southern accents’ in the crowd. That was a weak and cowardly attempt to apportion some of the blame elsewhere, not an absolute attempt to refuse responsibility.
Ah yes, JoeJordan = Mr Goodie Good.
This after years of silence at Munich songs and tossing of excrement at MUFC fans?
One really does expect better, more balanced read from the BBC.
The songs I heard were all about Suarez. Nothing about Hillsborough. Do I think the support was asking for it, yes, but this is a country of free speech barons, and Suarez LFC were well over the line.
Fair enough?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19617438.
I miss 1 game and I’m forgotten. Must sell more shirts.
@AP 43
It is not Man U !!!!, and never you call us man U again on here. It is Man United or United
@Tony bee
Please tell Cedars that few people miss him here really and he can choose to stay away as long as possible….
@AP 43
It is not Man U !!!!, and never you call us man U again on here again. It is Man United or United
@Tony bee
Please tell Cedars that few people miss him here really and he can choose to stay away as long as possible….
Cfag has to come back he’s being missed here sorely
We miss him with his nigella stories
It was good to win without our key stars, imagine our bench, Valencia, Kagawa, RVP then Rooney, Young,Cleverley, Anderson.
Someone please tell me how we missed out on Raheem Sterling.
Tring.
Do us all a favour and fuck the hell off why dont you? You have some weird standards man. go support a team that follow those standards then. These are the Man Utd players, you wanna get behind them well and good, else fuck off to another club.
To all those having problems with pop up texts, it’s probably a video codec you guys have installed on your computer. Disabling that should get the job done. Pretty sure it’s a pc related issue, as i dont seem to have the problem on my macbook (here’s to hoping it stays that way too!)
Manchester United vs Galatasaray – Welcome To Hell – 09.19.2012
We are ready for hell as, THE RED DEVIL COME FROM HELL
You’ll have to have the luckiest nights of your lives to not get a bettering at old trafford
We welcome you
Liverpool will order Luis Suarez to shake hands with Manchester United rival Patrice Evra as the two clubs bid to defuse next Sunday’s potentially explosive clash.
The teams meet at Anfield with emotions running high after sick chants aimed at Liverpool were heard at Old Trafford on Saturday and with memories of last season’s racism controversy between Suarez and Evra still fresh.
United chief executive David Gill will this week hold talks with Liverpool counterpart Ian Ayre in a bid to ensure the Barclays Premier League clash passes off without controversy. And Liverpool will tell Suarez to shake hands with Evra and are confident he will comply this time, unlike last season when he snubbed the United defender.
It is understood Gill and Ayre will talk early this week about how to minimise the risk of an explosive incident and the best way to show respect to the 96 Hillsborough victims. A minute’s silence is the preferred option but it is possible a minute’s applause will be held to minimise the chance of disruption.
Manchester United don’t scare us, say Galatasaray http://t.co/GfRomXOe
Well, I tell you now
There’s no more funny games, as important as this competition is, we never really kicked the butt in group stages in the pas 4 or so years.
But this time around we are decided to make amends for last season early exit, its going to take a fine performance from you to get away with a point.
I’m sorry, but the notion that the ‘always the victim’ chant was soleley about Suarez is ridiculous. Yes, it was sung last year in the wake of the incident, but only in games against Liverpool. We weren’t playing them on Saturday, we were playing Wigan.
Were there ‘always the victim’ chants against Everton, Fulham, Southampton? In any of the league matches towards the end of last season? No. What’s different? The release of the Hillsborough report.
To suggest that we’ve just coincidentally gone back to singing about Suarez for no reason in the same week the Hillsborough report has come out is insulting to anyone’s intelligence.
It’s nice to see the new players settle in quickly and scoring as well, this will boost their confidence should the gaffer need to call them up again in more important games to come. CL then Liverpool, hope we do not lose key players and kick ass in both games to continue the good form
@Legend(Giggs)
Just what I was thinking on Sat. When I saw the lineup I had horrible memories of last year’s ill-fated rotation, and the inability of the ‘squad players’ to perform like a United side.
To be able to rest all the players you mention and still win comfortably is fantastic, and will hopefully raise the confidence of the likes of Hernandez, Welbeck, Buttner etc that they can do the job when selected in a ‘weaker’ XI.
Add to that the fresh legs of Cleverley, Kawaga and Van Persie on Wednesday and it looks even better. Let’s hope we can negotiate that one without too much difficulty and have a fit and focused squad for Liverpool.
@Legend(Giggs)
Sterling looks a handful, but will reserve definitive judgement on him for now. Still think he could turn out to be a bit of a one-trick pony and once fullbacks get used to his bag of tricks he might be found out. But then he could also go on to be a very good player. The way he skinned the Sunderland fullback on Saturday was impressive.
Rumour has it he’s a United fan as well.
I think the point is, why are these “fans” singing about Liverpool when we are playing Wigan?
Why can’t we be singing about our own players, cheering them on instead of thinking about other people? The world as it is today, has too much hate, we could do with less of that
Well I agree that this song’s been sang every week for nearly a year so it’s funny for the media to follow it up now. But I can’t agree that the chant has absolutely nothing to do with Hillsborough, as you seem to suggest. I normally don’t have a problem with that chant because it doesn’t mock the dead, but I think there’s a time and a place for everything and yesterday was just not the time for that chant so I didn’t join in. It was also followed by the “Murderers” chant, which I’ve always been uncomfortable with.
@kanchelskis –> Bullshit, it has been sung repeatedly by both United and Everton fans regularly. Obviously its sung more often when playing Liverpool in either case, but it has been sung regularly at OT, regularly by away fans wherever they go too.
The Suarez incident incited it more because while Suarez admitted what he did to the FA, and Uruguayan media, Liverpool FC and its fans STILL claim he did nothing. Just as with Heysel, it was “Chelsea fans” and not Liverpool fans who had anything to do with it. Liverpool ALWAYS plays a victim card, even last season after the Suarez crap, Kenny Dalgleish was talking about how the FA had a vendetta against Liverpool, even though there was no evidence at all for that claim, he just couldn’t stand how awful they were performing, so he did what they always do, deflected blame.
If United fans wanted to mock Hillsborough, I’m sure they’d come up with a chant to actually mock Hillsborough, but the fact is they have sung the song (along with Everton fans) for a YEAR and nobody said a WORD about Hillsborough until Saturday. Opportunism, playing the victim card again, with the media willing to blank out all else and stand on their side.
Proverb
I hope you remember I dont have a problem with you and we have never had a run in. Im not going to fight other peoples battles for them as no one has ever been on my side when it counted. I like to think Ive been fair to both parties and kept myself on the fence with your spat with Zibbie and Cedars.
I would ask you if you could be so kind as not to call CedarsDevil cfag. It was a name I brought into the forum due to our deep seated resentment for one another but that has now passed. IIm trying to make ammends. I realise you still have a problem and I can respect your point of view but by using cfag you kind of half bring me into this. I ask as a favour, as someone whose treated you with respect and talked to you in a friendly manner to please refrain from using cfag. Thanks my friend,
Proverb
Suarez ordered to shake Evras hand.
Although whichever side of the fence your on and who you see is to blame for the incident between the pair of them I do wish the FA would stop telling players (allbeit in this case LFC doing the telling) to shake hands with one another. All the time we see players getting done for drink driving, speeding (rio tut tut), on street violence, drug taking and racism, why would you want to shake hands with such a vermin. Imagine your a player and you have had a close friend or family member run down by a drunk driver, do you really want to shake the players hand. Do you really want to shake the hand of someone who speeds if youve witnessed such an attrocity yourself of a kid getting hit. If your a player and is linked to a speed kills charity do you damage your standing by shaking such a players hand.
Could we please return football to the footballers and use the parents and school network to bring up the kids. If you want to shake hands then shake, dont force people. If they want to swear then let them swear and could we please move away from this namby pamby crap we have to watch.
A big hoo ha about Ferdinand not shaking Terrys hand, really, he called him a nigger. If I was Ferdinand I would have decked the cunt and if my manager had a boo hoo about me not being proffessional then I would have called him a cunt for not having the sense to not pick me and as for players saying they dont have a problem shaking hands with Terry (Zamora) there would be a training ground incident.
No fun being the butt of a fag joke, your hope turns to ash as your dreams go up in smoke.
Put it out!
Did anyone see David Luiz withdrew his hand from Anton as well?
Stupid mophead. Why the fuck does he have to get involved?
As for the murderer chant I think its time people grew up and realised what a fucking world we live in. Whatever happened to sticks and stones may break my bones.
We live in a world where the average man goes to the cinema and watches the god father, thinks its cool to take the odd recreational drug and thinks it smart and clever when a so called pop arteest snorts a line or shoots up. Beheadings in mexico are a daily thing on a scale far larger than that in the middle east. By us supporting or turning a blind eye to it we are all murderers. Hell I’d stand outside a kindergarden and chant murderers as the little fuckers no doubt will turn into you scummy bastards. Scouseland is built on fucking heroin, theyre all murderers. Manchester is built on the same stuff and is rife with fucking murderers. They didnt call Manchester Gunchester because a group of helpful pensioners used to go round with gun shapped lighters to light up poor peoples ciggies wouldnt get lit by matches that blew out in the wind.
Can we stop pretending that we give a rats arse. How many people have done anything to aid syria? How many people care about the restrictions of freedom of speech in relation to a far flung lands religion? Who has gone out on a search for a kiddie thats been obducted? Whos walked into the street to slow down a speeding motorist? Whos punched a drug user in the face or pushed him down an embankment when high? Whos………………………………………….
Fucking no one thats who!
Im not being a moral fag blah blah blah as personally I dont give a rats arse but one thing thats really scratches my arse is people on one hand being all high and mighty and the next being scared and fucking lazy. It seems the normal people in life have to one listen to all the whinging and whining and then watch you sit on your arses and do fuck all to remedy the problems you see in the world.
As far as Im concerned if one of you was on fire Id you tube it first and certainly before Id donate the steam from my piss to put you out. Theres money to be made, lol. Stop fucking pretending that you are holier than though.
Suarez is a dago cunt
Terry is a racist scumbag from a family of rebrobates
The scousers are drug taking, pedophile incestrious murderers
and everyone else can go fuck themselves
Bite me!
kanchelski
no i didnt see that my friend, have you got a link to the handshake or has the FA censored you tube again?
@goat
In fact, cos it’s not match footage, I think it might even be knocking around the BBC website somewhere, but it might only show the JT/Anton bit.
I remember being at Old Trafford when news came through about about Hillsborough and I said at the time that the f***ing scouse bastards should be banned forever. What actually happened started to come through and you realised it could have happened to us – we lost to Forest in the QF after a perfectly good goal was disallowed. And decent fans travelling to matches at the time would know how the police treated football fans and how that was a major contribution to what happen.
I hate the scousers, and I do believe they have a victim mentality. But like they say about even paranoid people having enemies, the scousers were true victims at Hillsborough and in the cover up. It doesn’t mitigate Heysel or Suarez but every human being should feel something for them about Hillsborough. They died through no fault of their own and then blamed for it.
So to sing that song, at this time, is at least insensitive or at most grossly offensive. And to argue otherwise, that it meant something else, sounds like an argument that Suarez would use. I think we are better than that.
@goat
Here it is http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19585259
Around 11 seconds. In fairness, this clip is inconclusive. You can see him raise his hand away from Anton. But doesn’t prove definitively the shake didn’t happen.
kanchelskis cheers but there was no video on that page just a pic.
@goat
The ‘pic’ should have a little play button on it.
Are you outside the UK? May be that you can’t get the BBC’s video footage.
Lexxyred
Cedars misses you too ….he told me he got fed up with calling you a thick stupid cunt
Watch out lads a kick boxer is on the loose. … Fuck me… My knees are knocking …
AP 43 … of course I would call you an idiot to your face if we ever met … Silly cunt
kanchelski
Yeah Ill search for it later. The premier league block everything. Theyve even blocked 3 oclock saturday games in sweden from airing. Because in england they dont show it as they want games filled with fans rather than the pubs so us in sweden cant watch it because english could intercept our satelite images. Its all bullshit. 21st century my arse, the only thing that seems to work in the world today is road side bombs.
Goat
Top top post at 10:02 mate. Blunt, raw, emotional and (at times) extreme. My hat tipped to you sir.
@goat I appreciated that
And sorry for bringing the C… Thing up
It wasn’t in a bad way really.
utd_fc
When your at school and the english teacher tells you about world peace and how poorly teachers are treated and payed you fool for it. Once youve left school, opened your eyes, had a lay in, lost your job through laziness, scratched your arse, played with th emorning wood, smoked a bifter and logged on to your favourite blog (sorry scot close, but theres another which I wont advertise and has sod all to do with football) you kind of look up at the world and say fuck it.
everyones parents are dicks, everyones kids are dicks, all religions are dicks and all colours are dicks, some bigger than others, your girlfriends a dick and your a dick. Fuck it.
My cars a dick and my cats a dick, my dogs a dick and trees a dicks. fuck it.
I just wish my dad was a bigger dick and put me as a new born baby into a cement mixer with a couple of bricks, but unfortunately he was a dick. So here I am, a dick, fuck it.
Proverb
I realise that fellah, its all a bit silly! lol.
P.S
Manchester top the piracy download charts of the world according to Yahoo. Well done!
As far as Im concerned fucking good. Any manc with an ounce of pride will already have Joy Division and The Smiths on vinyl so all they are doing is downloading crap music and crap films. Good by not giving the pop stars their “hard earned”? money you lot are effectively suffocating the drugs trade.
God Bless Manchester.
Fletch … good point about Powell’s nice touch to set up that belter of a shot. It was great to see. I know this is going to sound contradictory of myself, but two things:
(a) it’s been a while since we had someone who could keep the defence in two minds through the threat of a long-range shot, and it’s a valuable dimension to our play. Scholesy used to do it, but not for a while. Gibson used to do it, but was very much hit and miss. Nani too.
(b) Having said that, though, I do hope that Powell doesn’t let it become an obsession and start “trying his luck” with a long one every time he gets the ball just outside the box. I think that’s what happened with Gibbo and Nani. They had some early success with it, but it soon became wasteful and monotonous. It’s a question of judgment and execution: the judgment to be discerning about when to try it on (or when there might be better opportunities to pursue), and the execution to make sure that when he does let one go, he gets it on target (and not straight at the keeper). I don’t expect him to score every time, but please, make the keeper work for it!
The value of a player who can pop them in from outside the box is that it puts the defenders and especially the keeper in two minds. The ability to sow that doubt in their minds is at least as important as the actual goals that you score, because that distraction can open up opportunities for others. If they know he’s a threat, then defenders will be inclined to rush up on him to shut him down, and keepers will be inclined to stay back rather than commit themselves.
If you are standing in the park with a football at your feet and someone slide-tackles you out of the blue, knocking you down in the process, you have the right to charge him with assault. If you are walking along the road carrying a rugby ball and someone tackles you, again you can charge the idiot with assault. The same applies to judo throws, karate kicks and uppercuts; all chargeable offences.
Unless of course, you are playing sport. For the duration of the game/match/bout, your opponent may ‘assault’ you within the laws of the game, without being charged for assault.
Shaking or touching hands before and after a game shows that you recognise that off-field parameters do not apply on the field. You put aside any off-field grievances, hatreds and bias; and you play the game within the rules.
Sportsmanship strives for fair play, courtesy, ethical behaviour, integrity, and grace in victory or defeat. The activity is enjoyed for its own sake.
- – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - –
If you are not prepared or willing to put aside your off-field grievances for the duration of the sporting event, you are unable to participate in the spirit of the game. You must recuse yourself as you are not a suitable participant.
Either you are able to put your resentment aside during the game, or you are not able to.
If you are able to play sportingly, shake your opponents hand before and after the game.
If you are unable to play sportingly, recuse yourself.
Great post @statesideaussie
Couldn’t agree more
There’s more to come from Powell fergie is right to suggest that he can replace Scholes Long way to go but he’s on the right track
The future looks promising
DreadedRed
If that was reply in regards what I wrote where it sounded like a lack of ability in seperating outside life to football then in principle I couldnt agree more. BUT in the instances of an individual (the perpetraitor) being the one that you have to shake hands with then surely that rule cannot still apply.
For instance If I was walking down the street and got a judo chop from John Terry Im pretty sure I wouldnt sake his hand come saturday Id fucking break it along with his fucking neck.
goatinaunitedshirt
I too would be unable to shake Terry’s hand, and therefore would be unable to participate sportingly. I’d have to sort him out before the game; or recuse myself; or shake his hand while kneeing him vigorously in the gonads. In order to participate sportingly, I’d have to chose boxing!
I don’t blame or think bad of Ferdinand for refusing to shake Terry’s hand. I myself would be unable to put aside his disgraceful racism. Neither Anton nor myself are eligible or able to participate sportingly against Terry. We should not play, but should wait in the car-park for him to exit the arena, whereupon his moral fibrosis will be treated until he is cured.
@Goat FYI, It is me Cedars, Jeet, Baliji,TonyBee,Mike, Jimmy James and like 15 others who have a problem with, 911,Sara, Pervert. Just saying. I try not to repond to him as I do not read 90% of his posts, yesterday the name CEDARS caught my eye. For the most part he never bother’s me. Him shouting out to Cedras is like a Nazi giving a shout out to Jews. Just saying!!!
Hello Rom and Go on WED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
goatinaunitedshirt
Perhaps no one has ever been on your side when it counted. There was an occasion that didn’t count where two RoM regulars were on your side. I say “didn’t count” because you were absent at the time. When the username-usurpment and multiple-username blight was at its peak, several regulars stated their belief that it was a goat in wolfs’ clothing. King Eric and one other regular defended you, and stated categorically that it was not you.
Pretty irrelevant now, but I thought you might like to know.
John Tring – you are a retarded troll, do I need to go through some of the squad, united lacking quality? LOL, just keep away from the keyboard kid
Goat and before we battled I had your back as a sick funny fuck, Tony Bee has your back, asking Cedars to talk with you, and then we talked it out, my bad at first with the Howard thing.
Any way Goat luv your RANTS and great mind!
Goat
Mate there are times where I could not agree with you more. But I believe that we were put on this earth for a reason, that life cannot be this meaningless in the end. I don’t know what that reason might be, but I wanna live till I at least have some sort of clue what that might be. It makes the endless encounters of different dicks a little more bearable.
Regarding the handshake. I understand that its a part of the sportsmanship spirit and what is part of the game should stay a part of the game. At the end of the day it is a game. But as a sportsman there are certain things the other party needs to uphold too. There are certain boundaries you don’t cross just for the sake of respecting your opponent. Everyone has their limits and touchy points, that’s why its best to think about how you yourself want to be treated before you open your mouth, or do something that could potentially, not just hurt someone, but impact your own standing in life. Don’t be a lesser man.
The referee for man utd v Galatasaray on Wednesday is Wolfgang Stark.
Proverb, We’ve had Stark before and have done OK in recent years, with him in black.
2 wins (v Bursaspor and Inter) and a tie at OT to Villarreal over the last 3 years.
But we lost under him to ZTE and F.C. Copenhagen.
He will have to be very strong v Galatasaray. It will be like a war zone in terms of intimidation.
Tring isn’t even a United fan as I have found out many times on the Mail site.