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Way to go.New pen for the sheep.
i wish i could buy the club myself.
I dont because I would lose any pleasure from United as I would have to treat it as a business then everybody would hate me.
The war’s over, man. Glazer dropped the big one.
Does the expression flogging a dead horse mean anything to anyone? No? Try lost cause then.
It’s over. You made your point. Move on.
Can’t say that I’m relishing the prospect of another season of protests, sick chanting and acts of terrorism outside the stadium.
My advice to the Club and Greater Manchester’s finest: Zero tolerance. Lifetime bans for anything other than peaceful and passive protest.
I want to enjoy the football, banter with the supporters and to be able to take my kids to a safe and positive environment. I bet I’m not on my own either.
the glazers should quit
Add Maicon to the list of people that’ve rejected city, might need a more up to date list now
Im curious to understand.. Is the whole Green & Gold protest really against the Glazer ownership or is it fans being angry about the increase in Season ticket prices.
From where Im sitting, we’ve been continued to be hugely succesful, we’ve forked out good amounts of cash for players.. Berbatov, Anderson, Nani, Hargreaves, Valencia all cost good money. We even offered over 30 million for Benzema & Tevez.
And most important of all Sir Alex has given them his full backing. Im not going to get in to the business side of things because half of us wont understand cash flow, dividends, debt, leveraged buy outs etc. It will only provoke non sensical abuse from some of the ‘hardcore fans”.
As long as we’re on track to pay off the debt & we continue to be succesful without a further increase in ticket prices I really dont think we ought to be distracting the players & the manager during important matches with all this protest noise. Get the behind the team!
i need to know what is this really about , is it that we’re tired of being in the red and not enough money to reinvest into the team? or is this the season ticket prices ?
i’m tired of the whole get the glazers out theme , lets just win back the league next season please we havent done that bad with the glazers in charge
@Axeman:
We are NOT on track to pay off the debt. Every year, we are paying only the interest on the debt, and it is already killing us. If it were not for the Ronaldo money last year, we would not even have been able to pay the interest.
The upshot is this: in a few years, the principal is due for payment. What then?
Look at the circus over at Anfield, it could be so much worse. I’m not a fan of the glazers and I find the debt burden worrying. But I’m not an expert financial analyst like most United fans on the forums, so I won’t pretend to understand if the current repayments are or are not manageable. I do know that 2009 and 2010 were/are difficult times for business around the world and United and the Glazers are not immune to this.
A lot of the hatred for the Glazers has come from the very large hike is ticket prices, which is understandable. But some fans have then extended that by putting 2 and 2 together with regard to the Ronaldo sale and the perceived lack of big spending and come up with 5. I do not conisder that there is any evidence to suggest that SAF’s dealings in the transfer market is being hindered as it’s quite clear that we tried to sign Benzema and Tevez for sizeable amounts last summer. If anyone thinks Tevez is worth £47 million, then you must be crazy.
I’m not against the LUHG/Green&Gold campaigns by any means but I think they should move away from the idiocy of “die Glazer die!” to developing serious proposals to United and lobbying Government for the development of the right for fans to have a say in the way their club is run.
FSW has officially gone by ‘mutual consent’ will be sad to see the clueless toss-pot go if I am honest. Wonder which next complete moron they will get in….
Nooooo, the KRAP campaign!!
Good for you Scott. I might start a facebook account just for that.
As for Beneathus, just like any clown when he leaves the circus, he will be dearly missed.
The KRAP campaign has failed
Lol.
Bye wafa, thanks for the memories.
Sad to see Rafa leaving Looserpool. He was the best man for the job.
Time to move on guys.
1. Glazers do not want to sell. They will sell when the price is high enough. It will be high enough when the success of the club pushes it higher.
2. No-one wants to give up season tickets and in any case there are plenty of other supporters who would likely pick them up.
3. We need to forget protests and get 100% behind SAF and the team and push them back to the title.
4. We have been hugely successful over the Glazer ownership.
5. Debt is unsettling but every business has it. Football is a business these days whether we like it or not.
6. Lets get back to what we do best, supporting the team. Leave the finances to the experts
I hope they bring in Maradona.
oh no KRAP
Liverpool offered rafa 6 million to leave , sir Alex ferguson offered 10 million for him to stay
No thanks! UNIED we stand, divided we fall.
So now that the FAT SPANISH WAITER has gone let’ s hope that the scoucers are on their way down the lane where Leeds scum had a very nice walk about. If they start the sale of for ex; Stevie me, Mascherano, the lady boy, may be some 30 year olds like Carra at the end of their carrier,their depth that is ubsolutley unsustainable, don’t we think and remember that this story is very much like the Leeds scum story when they started the begining of their end? If that will be the case it will be GOOD RIDDENS TO BAD RUBBISH!
UNITED even
Lets all hang up the list of his fachts on our bedroom walls as a way of remembering him;
GHTT – I heard SAF offered 20 million and Red Nev said he would wear a Liverpool top for a month if he stayed. Sour gob king Kenny favourite to take over, with big nose rush as his number two, can’t see SAF losing any sleep over this.
@Fze123
I already hang the facts list in my bathroom wall. In case I run out of toilet paper.
Pretty generous from him to agree with considerably lower payout.
I know FSW means Fat Spanish Waiter, but surely I’m not the only one who looks at it and thinks “Fat Spanish Wanker”?
I’m going to miss Rafa’s goatee on the touchline. That thing had a life of its own
@ Costas, lol. Well then you better make copies of it. You never know, you may end up in a situation where one fachts list won’t be enough.
mexico and italy are kicking off, chicarito is starting
Also, @ Paul H. Spot on mate. My feelings exactly. Let’s get on with it and focus on the football.
Our group of players that we have now is as strong as ever. The new signing Chicarito looks like he’s the real deal (after the last couple of internationals i’ve seen him in)
I care about United for the football not the financing.
Fans talk about being United? Be United behind the team. The partisinship in the stands last year did not create a positive atmosphere at all
@bigphil2003
waiter wanker whats the difference, show me a waiter that isn’t a condescending wanker that takes great joy at adding a little extra cheese to your parmesan salad.
@RedDeviled Egg
lol at Rafas goatee, cock suckers carpet.
@Fze123
Haha. I made sure to make multiple copies!
@Paul H … Great comments. I’m right with you!
My fear is that things at OT are going to worse before they get better as the extreminst become more desperate. Hope I’m wrong.
I’ll never forget last year when Rooney scored four and all you could hear was sick anti Glazer chants.
@Parryheied …”New pen for the sheep” . Brilliant!!!!
LU -IFIT
mexico leading 1-0 against Italy, Vela scored the goal. Chicharito is looking fantastic…he just missed a close shot faking the defender in the box….
if anyone is concerned about this tackling ability, he just took out De rossi of all people and earned himself a yellow, so he is not soft when he is trying to defend.
joined
baaaaaaaaaaaa
Isn’t there plenty of groups around trying to promote this cause? I’m in the MUST group and this one now, but it seems a good idea to try and centralise all the groups in to fewer groups with more members.
Shit. hernandez missed a sitter
ok i think i missing the plot i thought the green and gold protests were to put pressure on the glaziers to sell to the the red knights? now thats fallen through and the glaziers have made it clear utd are not for sale whats the protests going to be about next year.unless theres a backer with 1.5 bill in his bank account i don’t understand the point of the disruptions,the protests are not affecting the glaziers in any way big companys wanting to be part of the utdbrand has never been higher season ticket sales won’t be affected,sorry if i’m coming across stupid but whats the final destination of all this?
@wayne: You are missing the plot. The green and gold protest campaign is a protest against how the club is run by the Glazers and a call for change. It does not necessarily have anything to do with the Red Knights or even MUST.
Hernandez subbed off, I don’t think that was a sitter he missed whoever said it. The lay back was stupidly behind him on his left and he was clearly not expecting it to be that misplaced and had lost his balance trying to get a shot off from the poor pass.
Hernandez performed well I thought. Moved too fast when Vela’s pass came his way and then missed that sitter. But overall he worked non stop and kept defenders harried. If Mexico weren’t so wasteful then maybe more chances would have come his way. Although I have a feeling they’ll do well; they’re looking good atm and have a dangerous front line. Don’t think it’ll be surprising if Italy go out at the group stages.
@steniS ok mate thanks so the green and gold campaign goes on forever or untill the glaziers sell? now what happens if the glaziers sell but the fans don’t like the new owners does the green and gold campaign come back again? so this will just keep going on and on untill utd have perfect owners.?
@Chrispiano
i said it. maybe not the easiest chance but i feel he should have buried it.as a striker you have to anticipate every ball in the box is going to come to you and be ready.saw him miss a similar chance in their friendly against gamibia. his overall play was good though which is great to see. i am sure once he joins us his finishing will get even better
Chrispiano
I seen that “sitter” and taught the pass was too far behind him
I taught the kid was excellent today before he got subbed off
I dont know too much about him apart from what he has done for his country in this pre world cup and i dont wanna over do it with him but he looks excellent
Defo not a sitter
Let me explain a little bit prior to my post.I often caper and have a bit banter on the Blog as most Lads and Lassie’s do.This topic is very serious and not to be joked over, you can take the piss out of me, thats fine, but dont take the piss out of the seriousness of the Issue.
You as will all no doubt be able to name the following Clubs and there downfall from financially healthier times , but not all a full recovery.I am not saying all were terminal.
The Rant.
Bournemouth
Rotherham
Hendon
Luton
Mansfield
Leeds
Crystal Palace
Portsmouth
Liverpool
Hull City
West Ham
Birmingham
Preston North End
Stranraer
Glasgow Rangers
Heart of Midlothian
.
.If you dont want to see Manchester United on that list( in no particular order) I would respectfully suggest a think tank is created and fast to change the route and direction of the club.
I realise the visual effect on the Television of the Green and Gold campaign to send a message to the Glazer.As it appears to me, its being blanked bye them.So while I believe the Green and Gold campaign will, and it WILL continue.A new and more active attack is required to get to the heart of the people that can actually make the Glazer stand up and pay attention.
I personally would plan a mass protest on 10 Downing Street to draw attention to the British Government the scandal that is taking place within British football clubs, and people with no real supporter based football knowledge mismanaging and corrupting famous football institutions.
Also a Document prepared to send to each and fan throughout the Uk through Must etc Blogs etc for fans to send to there local MP to protest to them and bring to there attention the possible imminent collapse of the Biggest most magnificent football INSTITUTION.
As a side note and fact and shows how simple it is.Revenue and Customs has been getting increasingly exasparated with the view of many football clubs that meeting their PAYE and other tax obligations is an optional extra.IT AINT.
If you we dont do something prepare for PAIN, as “they” say,No pain no gain.
I think it can be avoided, but time is running out, tick tock tick tock.
I still believe the Green and Gold campaign is worthwhile, as a peaceful protest it has had the whole footballing world taking notice, I don’t like the glazers debt saddling as much as the next person but calling for death is a bit extreme.
I will continue to support the G and G cause it but I will support United and their players 1st and foremost
One love
One United
The two big questions for me re Hernandez is (the obvious one) re adapting to life in the U.K. and the EPL.
But also if he’s going to be given enough game time to settle in.
If anybody was able to put a list of the “strikers” we have or had since Rudd left (or even over the last year or two) I reckon it would be pretty long one! Then if you put the actual game time minutes beside it we’d see a bunch who never really got a decent run for one reason or another.
Chicarito and rooney upfront with berbatov behind as in berba outside the box working passes rooney infront using his vision and power and chicarito in the 6 yard to toe them away is a fantastic dream, when chicarito gets the red jersey on its gonna be like When Tommy from rugrats pulls out the screw driver you know shits goin down!!
@ GHTT
tommy from rugrats lol
@wayne: Well, as it is today, supporters have very little influence (if any) over how the club is run today and that’s one thing that I for one would love to change. Working-class fans are getting priced out while the Glazers are doing their best to generate as much income as possible to put in their own pockets or put to their own, non-football related, uses.
Hundreds of millions of pounds have been withdrawn from the club by the Glazers to service their debts, “management fees” etc. This money could and should have been used to keep ticket prices down, buy players, enhance the stadium or in any way invested in stuff that would promote the club, it’s team and it’s supporters.
So if, hypothetically, the Glazers were to leave but the new owners decided to go down the same road as them regarding to the running of the club and it’s finances I think it’s fair to assume that there would be protests.
Redscott .. You raise a good point. As you may know I have no real problem with how the Glazers have financed their purchase of MUFC, to the extent that I’m able to understand, but I do accept that you and many, many others do.
I think protesting against the Glazers is both a waste of time and is directed at the wrong place. If you feel that clubs should not be able to be purchased using debt, or be subject to any other restrictions surely you should take your protests to the FA and /or Premier League?
As I have said on many occasions, if any of us were given the opportunity to by the club using other peoples money rather than having to liquidate our other assets, especially if we belived we could service that debt by increasing commercial revenues, we’d be fools not to do it any other way.
LU -IFIT
@Dave Mack thank you for reading my post mate, Yes I do have some serious problems with the way the financing of their purchase of Manchester United was conducted and the final outcome.
I ignored the FA etc purposefully because I believe they are inept and basically ineffective.
I feel as I know many people do the purchasing of clubs and other organizations basically use them as cash Cows is wrong.
Fit for the Purpose springs to mind Dave, I mean that not only in respect of Manchester United but many of the other Clubs i listed. To show in the initial stages you have the collotarel to support the Club and there must be some qualification process introduced.
That is why I suggested going to the heart of the matter.
Only strict legal controls can stop this corruption, think Royal Bank of Scotland, Northern Rock, etc etc
@steniS i don’t think the glaziers have taken 100′s of millions of pounds out and alot of players have been bought and although sir alex has stated over and over again he has a transfer kitty no one believes him and we have the biggest stadium in england apart from wembley and ticket prices are in line or below the other top teams in the prem so most of your arguements are simply not true.
utd is not a charity or communtity owned, its the biggets sports franchise in the world and a massive business look i don’t agree with the debt but its very naive of anyone to think whoever buys the team is not in it because its big business anyone investing a billion + in a company would expect to get some return on it.it seems alot of utd fans want a multi billionaire to come in pay the debt off and lose millions every year and have the best team in the world year after year thats great in fantasyland but in reality not likely to happen i’m just not sure what the green and gold hope to accomplish i’ve been a utd fan for over 40 years and i hate all the crap that must affect the players
The real pity about the Green and Gold campaign is its increasing ability to divide the fans as evidenced on this and other blogs.
@Wayne Mate I dont really wanna get into this on this thread you say” Anyone investing a billion +”
Where have you got those facts from? they have borrowed in excess of 700 million pounds to finance there project, which every fan is paying for.
This thread I thought was about reclaim “our club” and siton my face book(joking) no seriously its how we get the club back not rehashing all the figures we can all argue till we are Red or Blue or whatever in the face.
Think how to reclaim the club from the parasites and leprosy that is nibbling away at Manchester United.
Redscott … I agree a “think tank” as to what “fit and proper” should mean in terms of owners and how they purchase and run football clubs is overdue. It should probaly be conducted at UK Ministry of Sport or EU Cultural level.
The problem of course is that if you make it too restrictive in England then money just flows elsewhere. For example if you said that leaverage couldn’t account for more than 49% of any corporate take over deal in the UK the rest of the world would rub their hands together knowing we’d just excluded ourselves from a bunch of global capital.
For it to work for football it would have to be agreed at UEFA level and we know that’s not likely to happen anytime soon. Besides if the will was there UEFA would be worrying about capital flowing into other sports or leisure enterprises.
None the less, even as a general supporter of “free markets”, I can’t disagree that some tighter and more uniform financial controls are both good for football and MUFC … provided all of Europe also have to play by those rules.
As for protesting against the Glazers …. that’s not going to change a a thing and only bring more division to our support which MUST be UNITED!!
LU- IFIT
redscot – Cracking post at 20.55 mate, your idea of a mass protest to 10 downing street is a good one, but i actually think it wouldn’t make any difference mate. I mean, a million people marched in London to protest at the impending war in Iraq, but did the the goverment care, or really take any notice. I do agree with some that the g and g campaign will continue next season, but you have to wonder if it will register with the Glazier family. ps you’re 100% right on the fa the stuffed shirt brigade i like to call them
Wayne …I’ve been going to OT tabout the same length of time as you and like you I hate all this division and protest. Where you there when your name sake scored four and there were no Rooney songs only anti Glazer chants?
As you know….I say if Fergie constantly refers to them as “terrific owners” that’s good enough for me!
LU -IFIT
redscot excellent idea with the number 10 blackdoor protest, thats a world news idea. forget chicarito in red when redscot gets a protest idea THATS like when Tommy from rugrats pulls out the screw driver you know shits goin down!!
@redscot i know they borrowed to buy my point is most people buying the club would have to do the same unless he’s a multi billionaire because utd are such a massive buisness and worth so much.there is no easy solution to this but everyone has to be realistic about who comes after the glaziers and is utd going to be better off.the real fuckers to blame in all this are the people who had the shares in the first place and sold enough to the glaziers for the takeover to happen
@dave mack i live in canada now so only get to see them when i visit the family i get to see every game on tv and never lost my love for the club but i’m with you how anyone can question sir alex’s integrity and say he’s a lackay is beyond me and very disrespectful,everyone can slag the glaziers but on the football side they’ve done nothing wrong.
Ya ya Toure’s agent has said he’ll play in the premiership next season, but refused to name the club he’s signing for, can’t see it being us.
@wayne: i don’t think the glaziers have taken 100’s of millions of pounds out
I don’t mean to be rude, but they surely have, it’s been documented. Most of that has of course been to service their debt which they have secured against the club and are making the fans pay for it.
Call me old-fashioned, but I just don’t agree with football clubs being run in this way. I hate to see our club bleeding so much money to stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with football.
Though I do believe that Sir Alex does have transfer funds available, despite it all, it does make me worry for the future. It is a difficult situation, you’re right about that.
And as far as for those who sold the shares in the first, I believe alot of those were somehow forced to it.
willie
I cant see it being either City or Arsenal either.. at least we will know he is a moneygrabbing wh*re if he is off the wastelands
sprite – That would leave Chelsea.
@steniS i’m not a expert in takeovers but i think it can only happen if a certain % is bought and then others can be forced to sell so all the big shareholders could’ve told the glaziers to go fuck themselves and this would’nt have happened,i thought you meant 100′s millions in their pocket not to pay off the debt.the glaziers are businessmen who saw a opprtunity and took it and i’m not defending them but i am a fair person and football wise they’ve been good owners they let sir alex run the team with no interference and make funds available when needed.one thing i’ve never understood if utd are in such dire straights as we’re led to believe why won’t the glazers sell? everything they own is tied up in utd if utd go down so do they,it only makes sense to them for utd to continue to be successful and if as been reported several offers of over a billion + has been turned down why didn’t they sell and take the profit.
@ redscot
who are you and what have you done with the real mad as a bag of haggis’s redscot we all know and love. Only joking pal.
I am 100% in agreement with you man, the green and gold is a great response to highlight concerns and with continued peaceful protests and petitions and the like it WILL make the glazers uncomfortable and with continued pressure a sale could be on the cards, i’m no fan of the egos of the red knights and i never believed Must should have tied themselves to them, hopefully a solid owner will takeover pipedream or no pipedream we can only hope.
Sorry I dont mean to be rude to anyone that communicated with me I left the Blog a while back, but If you have made a point to me I thank you, I got a Rickety old Bus journey( 1 bus per day) up to Inverness tommorow, Christ two and half hour’s, anybody who says I am in outer space, it feels like it often.
I will get back to you.
Nite Reds.
SteinS … I believe fans like you do genuinely care so I’m not knocking you at all. I think the only thing I thing that needs to be said against the accusations that the Glazers have taken so much out of the club are two things
1. The PLC set up and every other ownership stucture will have owners costs and expenses, maybe not as high but this is overcome in my view by the second point ….
2. The Glazers have ursherd in one of our most succesful periods of commercial revenue growth in the clubs history. I don’t have the exact numbers but I seem to recall that they are over 50% greater than the interest expense. (They risen by something like 67m versus interest at 47m???)
Anyway …it’s hard to keep up with it all and I like a number of others would like to get the focus back on football matters which it seems when we disagree it never quite gets so divisive!!
LU – IFIT
off topic but it really has pissed me of that much. what league were people watchin, how can teamtalk actually say that fat frank was better than rooney all season… i kno the internet if a place for people to voice their opinion but even that is pushin it, and the idiots commenting the article were agreeing with it using the argument that lamps got almost the same amount of goals as rooney from “MIDFIELD”….
I have been looking around but cant find what im looking for so can anyone tell me how many of fat franks goals this year came from pens?
@ Paul H
I appreciate you saying you want OT to be a place where you’re comfortable taking your family, but the anti Glazer chanting has arisen from many of out loyal fans been
priced out at OT. My Dad was a season ticket holder
and I eventually got my own too….but since the change in ownership I really can’t afford to go to OT regularly anymore . I get to as many away games as I can and I’ve been criticised for going to FC United matches also, but £6 and a good atmosphere pisses on £50 in a stadium where you get people telling you to sit down!!! I love United, I love everything about our history and our heritage, but the current owners couldn’t give a shit about any of that. They’re quite happy to treat United purely as a business, but even as business owners, shouldn’t the ‘customers’ needs to taken in to consideration? If we’ve paid over £400 million in the past 5 years on interest repayments alone, and taken it just less than £400 million in ticket revenue, doesn’t that show that the people attending the home matches are getting screwed over? I’m sure most people who pay
to watch United still would prefer their money invested in the team instead of paying off a loan we did not choose or want to take out.
So the anti Glazer chanting, to some
of us, is understandable.
@Rai
First of all this whole “Our Ticket Money is paying the debts” is just bullshit. Why is it that you feel the ticket income that any of us that attend matches, be it every game or 1 or 2 is the money that’s paying off the Loans. I mean talk about simplfying it to push an agenda.
While Match day revenues are still the main source of income the Glazers have closed the gap between Commercial Activity Revenue and Matchday revenue. So much so that the predictions are that next year for the first time ever the commercial activities will be higher than the matchday
As for the ticket prices though aren’t the Glazers fault. Costs to attend anything are dictated by MARKET FORCES and the ticket prices are within what the Market forces say they should be. Its a shame that some people get priced out of tickets BUT thats the way of live, especially when the UK has prices that are already inflated. And seriously stick FC United in the Premier League with the expectations to be a title challenger and see how long they keep subsidising tickets so much. They too would see massive rises to bring them inline.
On the ‘Sitting Down’ that’s something that has to be done. All seater staduims are not designed for standing up without views being hindered even if everyone stands. The people you block by standing up paid for their ticket so desereve an unobstructed view. Also staduims have been fully or partially closed for fans standing up, this included OT where a few years back some seats were closed for a number of games.
The problem again isn’t the Glazers but with this its regulations which are ridicious. A terrace does a lot to prevent views being obstructed as standing is part of the design. We need terrace sections back in special blocks for those who want to stand instead of the OTT regulations that basically prevent any terraces being an option
Off topic, as a bit of a pick me up for everyone…. Big congratulations to Sam Johnstone, Will Keane and Tom Thorpe for their success with England. Especially Will who recovered from that knock for the final against Spain.
This may have been said, so apologies! But it’s great our kids are tasting success early like the Nevilles, Butt and Scholes did!
Yeah Rai – listen to Wakey, big Uncle Malc’s done us a huge favour by increasing ticket prices in such a short space of time, we at least can look back and take great consolation in the fact we now get charged as much as the dippers. How dare ST holders complain about such treatment – especially as daytrippers have also seen a price rise in the one to two games they go to per season. Be a proper fan and get behind the team from the comfort of your own armchair
willierednut says:
sprite – That would leave Chelsea. about Yaya Toure
With Mikel and Essien in their team seems like a huge ammount of overkill to me. City could do with a defensive midfielder but only if they push Barry up (seems daft to me). Arsenal already have Song, Diaby in the holding role its the attacking midfielder they’de lack if Fabregas goes. Denilson can play that role though. My guess its either us (because of the question mark over Hargos head and Carrick) and its only hushed up because we need to find a suiter for Carrick and its no fun opening transfer speculation during a world cup. OR its Liverpool spending their new sponsorship money and Mascheranos on the move.
Wakey.You should’nt start talking sense like that ,at least not before the anti’s have manufactured their own cover story.However now that you have their cover story will be along in a minute. Christ I’m sure some of them have been to New Zealand.
Yaya toure is to join City to play with his brother. apparently kolo convinced him that city is the right club for him
AIG… when you say convinced… do you mean hypnotised him or threatend him… cos i can’t understand someone like Toure going from playing in one of the best teams in the world and then going to the joke that is Citeh… with its Europa league! Unless he truely is a mercenary and its all about the cash!
Tbh i watched Toure a few times this season and he didn’t strike me as an “amazing” player…. good ball winner… but the few games i saw he gave possession away just as much as he won it. I might be being a bit unfair there… don’t know?
@Linvoy
last summer city wanted him but he opted to stay at barcelona. however after bring continually overlooked he has got frustrated. he has got a 36 million euro release clause in his contract and city are ready to pay it. they also told kolo toure to convince him to come there with the lure of first team football and making major signings in the summer.
its another ploy to get 300,000,000 people to buy green and gold scarfs, and then MUST can buy United with the money.
Really, this divisive nonsense can only be hurtful for the club, and I put it to those that claim they love the club so much, to actually get behind Manchester United, and worry about what they can see on the pitch, not the figures that are bandied about by the press, the glazers, or my mates Tom’s aunties brother in law’s nephew.
Just support United FFS.
This theory that the Glazers are running United like a business…
Like it or not, United have been ‘run like a business’ for years now, well before the Glazer’s came in now. It’s naive to think anything else.
It’s a statement that generally attracts criticism from the purists but, dare I say it, it was United’s foresight to adapt quicker than anyone else to the way football was changing in the early 90′s that has played arguably the biggest part in our period of dominance.
We all hate the word ‘brand’, but the United ‘brand’ was groundbreaking stuff. Now Citeh have the money, what are they trying to do? They’re trying to improve their global image and do exactly the same kinda things United have been doing for 20 years now.
I personally believe, hand on heart that ticket price increases would have happened whoever was in charge. As Rai says, it’s market forces more than anything else. It’s ‘business sense’, don’t get me wrong it sucks, but that’s the way of the world.
Debt or not, United have been run by greedy businessmen for years, using the club as a vehicle to make money and exploting the fans in the process. At the end of the day, if someone can’t afford their season ticket anymore, there’s someone else to step in who can.
The difference between the Glazer regime and previous set-ups, is that we’ve never minded (as much) the previous changes to the club as we’ve managed to remain competative and stay successful on the pitch.
The real danger is that Glazer’s ‘business model’ demands constant success which it seems they expect to achieve without spending huge amounts on the squad.
It’s a very dangerous set-up and one that could ruin us.
LUHG
@ AIG…. $38m (euros)… lot of money! What do you think of him as a player? Would you be pleased if it was us getting him?
Im personally not keen on Toure… however im also dubious as to whether Hargreaves (one of my favourite players) will ever play again for us… or if he does whether he will be the same tenacious player he once was. Saying that Fletcher has come on leaps and bounds since Hargo went missing so there’s our man… i think we have a capable ball winner in him… so i guess a creative midfielder to take on the mantle from Scholes is the main aim… and Toure is def not that! So no loss there! Let City have him.
Just my penny’s worth. This summer is gonna be a long one me thinks… esp as the papers have a license to print whatever they like.
@GTull
Very well said.
Yaya Toure joining City wouldn’t shock me a great deal. They are the only club willing to pay his inflated fee. I know that he was part of the Barcelona team that did the clean sweep last season, but I never rated him too high to be honest. Ou midfield needs more of a dynamic player.
@Linvoy
he is a good player but i think in that role fletch is better than him so he wont be a regular at United too. we also have gibson who did well towards the end of last season and i expect him to get better this season. we also have anderson who does a lot of tracking back.He is young and has a presence about him. I havent even mentioned hargo yet. hopefully he will be fit ext season and can play regularly. that is why i feel toure isnt required and for that sort of money ,its a big NO from my side. An attacking midfielder like Gourcuff will be a welcome addition. otherwise i think we are fine in all departments
GTull – again, very well put.
http://www.epltalk.com/liverpool-fans-burn-american-flag/20477
Not sure if this has been brought up yet. While I agree with the message of getting the Yanks out of football clubs, burning the American is a bit much. Here in the States thats a one way ticket to condemnation. Personally, I’d love to see Gillette and Hicks stay at that shite club for years to come.
I wouldn’t put to much faith in Hargo returning any time soon, and Gibson isn’t a holding midfielder, so that could mean, that we might go for a holding midfielder.
@FloridaManc
That’s just stupid. I am not very patriotic and I can see why such extreme actions may happen in war protests. But what does the US have to do with Liverpool falling into the hands of Gillette and Hicks? I wonder how Liverpool’s American fan base feels about it. Besides, it’s not like the owners will shake in their boots is it?
@willierednut
Yeah looks like it. Perhaps Fergie is hopeful of Anderson rediscovering the form he had in 07-08. That Anderson could compliment Fletch quite well. Don’t know how realistic it is though. For one thing, I don’t expect Ando to feature until November. And who knows if he can follow Nani’s example anyway? It doesn’t look like we are in the market for a CM though.
I forgot about Ando, that leaves us short in that area.
Would you adam and Eve it, Rio’s injured already.
who tackled rio
does anyone know
he’s getting a scan on ligiments in a hospital after a bad tackle
Rio seems to be made of glass
Glad we’ve got smalling and brown back , wont be surprised if Rio is absent for most of next season. Whats going on with that fella ?
It looks like Rio’s cursed, hope the scan is just precaution.
I think anyone continuing this protest needs to ask themselves some serious questions about whether it might just be starting to outstay its welcome and is now actually working to the detriment of Manchester United.
The negatives of the protest have been outlined by some comments on this post already:-
1) People are starting to question whether or not they want to take their kids to matches because of the more, shall we say, “colourful” nature of the protests (and I am not talkign about green & gold). If people stop taking their kids then that could be a significant portion of the future generation who will go elsewhere to watch their football when they could well have become future Manchester United fans.
2) It has split United supporters into two groups. Anti-Glazer and the rest. When we are fighting amongst ourselves, something is wrong. The worst part of it as far as I am concerned is the LUHG part. You DON’T need to hate the Glazers in order to love United and I resent being told otherwise.
3) When people have just watched one of the best players in the world score four goals in a game but choose to take the opportunity to denounce the Glazers rather than congratulate the player, something is wrong. When players choose not to come here or choose to leave, the protesters might just want to reflect on that.
4) Instead of buying green & gold scarves, if every one of our reported 330 Million worldwide fans bought a proper Manchester United scarf from the club shop, the debt would be cleared at a stroke. By refusing to buy anything from Manchester United, you are actually prolonging the problem.
As for the positives to come from the Green & Gold campaign:-
1) It has let the people in positions of importance at Manchester United (not just the Glazers) know that we are not happy with the situation. Had the green & gold campaign not taken place then season tickets may have been increased again this season. If everyone had simply remained quiet then the Glazers and the others might have though, “Well, they’ve taken those increases well… let’s try and ramp the prices up a bit more”!
2) On a similar note, it has also let them know that there are certain sections of the fans who are taking a keen interest in the financial situation and are watching like a hawk. The Glazers know that they have to tread carefully or at least respectfully.
Those two points have now been made and they can be made again in the future if necessary. The Glazers now know that Manchester United fans have limits and that they have broached them or are at least coming very close to them.
What we want to see now is some serious inroads into the debt situation whilst remaining competitive on the pitch.
I have taken a long, hard look at the figures and the actual “cost” to Manchester United since the Glazers took over is nowhere near as bad as MUST are making it out to be. Despite what they may have said, even if the Glazers had not been in charge, no one would have got to watch the matches for free last season and no one would have been given a £800 lump sum!
Look at it from the Glazers’ point of view though. If we are pissed off about the amount of money going down the plughole in interest, how do you think *they* feel? That is NOT money going into their pockets. It is surely in their best interests to tackle that debt asap.
What I want to see over the next couple of years is for the debt to really start to go down. If we are still in the same situation in a couple of years’ time then it might well be time for more people to say, “enough is enough, this is going nowhere”. Perhaps even the Glazers themselves will be of that opinion and will sell to someone richer/better.
For next season though, I would like to see ALL Manchester United supporters pulling in the same direction and getting behind the TEAM 100%.
Love United. BE United.
Hi Costas, Aig….
Thats a pretty dull-brained comment from florida-manc there….why bring nationality into it….
What is the guy trying to imply…..
G-Tull…very well said indeed…..
what many people dont appreciate is that the whole transaction has so much risk attached to it…its unbelievable….
Rumour-mongering and scare-mongering is not my way, and the debt may still be repaid if all goes well, the main threat being the PIK’s which rolls up at a murderous rate of 14.25%, soon to be 16.25% which is what i had sai in my article in Januray and I stand by that.
The main issue is that the Glazers have not made any indications of how they plan to repay that part because as it stands, it will roll up to around 500 mn in around 2017 …………and the point that Wakey has taken such great pains to point out repeatedly during the past 3-4 months, that no one has spare cash available of that kind with them, which is why they had to borrow 550 mn to buy United in the first place….So i struggle to see how they will suddenly have 500 mn spare cash by the time the PIK’s come up for repayment.
Also, considering the world markets all over, of which i deal in as it is my daily bread……there is nothing out there which is yielding more than 16% return…….their US real estates business is certainly not in a position to give so much return and has suffered huge losses in the last couple of years, the Tampa bay is certainly not yielding any cash….there is no surefire to way gennerate 16.5+% returns without insane amounts of risk, otherwise nobody would have invested in bonds yielding 9.25% just a month or so ago….if any of you do, plz tell me and i will personally put all my funds in there…
So the kind of risk and uncertainty the Glazers have imposed on the club is what is driving the protests, the Red Knights may come and go, but the real red knights, the Fans, need to be together now more than ever and think with their heads and trust logic……
And I hate the “better the devil you know” thing…….the world would not have made any progress if everybody just followed that logic everytime…….. for a footballing analogy, why dont then we buy proven premiership stars only, why not unproven youngsters if”the devil you know” is all we are interested in?
nobody tackled rio
rio made a tackle himself and injured his left knee although cabbage man says its not serious so i hope rios WC isnt over before it has started. would be a shame if that happened
Cabbage man, is that beetroots mate?
The problem with Rio is that his body is shutting down for the last 2 seasons. I don’t know if there’s anyway to fix this, but we will be better off if we didn’t depend on him too much from now on. Let Vidic and Evans take over.
@Red Devil (the black one, lol)
Hi mate. Good points as well.
@willie
lol. It is cabbage man mate
@ Red Devil
“Thats a pretty dull-brained comment from florida-manc there….why bring nationality into it….
What is the guy trying to imply…..”
Well, like their currency, Americans regard their flag as being imbued with sacred characteristics. If you really want to know the meaning of the phrase, “Oh crap” go to America and piss on their flag in full view of a crowd of people.
Good luck getting back home.
At a time when Manchester United are about to embark on a tour of the USA which, like our tours in the Far East etc are attempts to increase our profile in these countries (thus generate American sponsors, fans … money etc) it would not be a smart move for, say, a Manchester United supporter to be seen burning an American flag.
Not if they REALLY had United’s best interests at heart, anyway.
I think that that may have been what FloridaManc may have been getting at but if it wasn’t then that’s certainly how I see it.
Rio = Pally
@GTull
The PLC (Or any other Shareholder who bought Magnier and McManus share that they were eager to sell) would almost certainly have needed to increase ticket prices. The PLC had got away for many years charging below the Market Rate simply because the size of the stadium and the global support but the world of football had changed. We had teams owned by people who didn’t have to care about making a loss, football had become less and less internal so we were competing more and more with the other major teams for players and the ‘shrinking world’ meant that foriegn commercial benefits and supporters were easier to come by for teams without our history. We also have costs for clubs rising higher and higher as shown by the wages and the transfer fees
They simply rested on their laurels, they didn’t see the future (Which considering how well they did to initially see the future during the early PLC years is strange ) despite the major shareholders for many users expressing their dissaproval at the missed revenue opertunities. And as such we were caught out by Chelseas sudden influx of cash to spend. This is why Sky and then later other parties including the Glazers were sniffing around because the PLC were holding the club back as a business, the board were more concerned in having the long waiting lists to boast about rather than keep in line with our rival clubs and the market rate.
@GHTT
In short, yes. It took you 2 words and a symbol to say what I said in 50 words.
Costas
I asked Pally about this himself and he just said to me Rio needs to look after his back so much because a lower back injury effect everything, but with a lower back injury you can never fully recover.
wise words about a man in the know
@GHTT
You spoke with Pally? Lucky fellow! Yeah, if anyone knows about lower back problems, it’s him. I guess it is true that his groin problems might be a result of his back issues.
According to this site, Real are closing in on Silva:
http://www.sport.co.uk/news/Football/39103/Silva_deal_imminent_.aspx
ah real dont need david silva
united would do wonders with him
Yeah met pally got to ask him 2 questions (thou i asked 3 )and got an autograph for emily
I am glad you didn’t forget about the autograph GHTT! I wonder if you asked him how it felt to score (twice in one half!) in front of the Kop.
If this article is to be believed, Silva wants to go to Real mainly because of Mourinho. Personally, I think that he feels that staying in Spain is a safer move for him. Oh well. What can you do? Silva will join Ronaldinho and Shearer in the list of players that blew their chance to be great with us.
isn’t Silva a bit young to be of interest to Mourinho?
This Capello is a dangerous man.Who’s next?first Rooney but at least he should recover/Rio this will just about finish his career,luckily it’s not critical for us he has been going downhill badly the last couple of seasons hence the recruitment of Smalling hope he does’nt cripple Carrick to make the set.
@Red Devil
The PIK’s are actually not as bad as they seem. In the UK they would be more of an issue but in the states they can use the interest as a tax write off. This means not only do they save money on their tax bill due to it (apparenetly its around £9mill a year that it saves at 14.5% and will obviously be a mill or so higher at 16.5%) but they have the money that is set aside for those interest payments available to be reinvested elsewhere which a half decent businessman will expect to get greater returns (Obviously as you have said making 16.5% returns, especially in this market is hard but when you take the tax write its around the 9% mark) . As such the PIK should actually pay for atleast a significant amount of itself. It is by all accounts the common thing to do in the states for a lot of loan debt.
This will be why despite being allowed to take £70mill to pay the PIK down and everyone expecting them to do so this is why they haven’t
I do still expect them to take the £70mill at some point to either directly or indirectly go towards paying the PIK when it matures, after all for the years of ownership and the last year of the PLC they have declined to take their dividends but its hardly an obscene amount of money over a 12 year ownership (and even if they take the £160mill total that the bond allows that’s equal to them taking £14mill a year. Even if we sold a player for 80mill each year which would push the profit based part of the allowed drawings up you are looking at around £16-17mill per year owned)
“Tampa bay is certainly not yielding any cash”
I don’t know, they have in the last couple of years started doing what Roman is doing at Chelsea and running it like a business rather than a play thing. They are living more in their means and while I haven’t seen financials for them I suspect they are running at profit now, especially with the amount of TV money they get and the Ticket prices (its like $1k for 14 games in the NFL)
If Silva is going to Real I just can’t understand Reals recruitment policy. They are also apparently about to unveil Di Maria and that initial discussion on Gerrard have been opened. Seriously how many attacking midfielders do they want, their issue is defence not attack.
Mind you I’m hearing that the Van der Vaart move to us may be close. Rumour is coming out of both clubs apparently
Di Maria and Silva to Real?? Thats just bloody greedy!
I like both of these players… esp Di Maria as an exciting wingman… im sure Real have enough players now to have an “Real A” and “Real B” team now that could compete for top 4 spot in la liga!
As the great man would say…. “Ridiculous”
Shame for Rio… I agree with Costas… i think he’s at that age now where everything is shutting down… iv had problems with inset of my soles meaning my legs aren’t aligned and this has shown in ankle, knee, groin and back problems for me as they are all related and a consequence of mis-alignment!
we still can get Guti. he would be a valuable addition to our squad
Apparently the Van der Vaart deal is 20mill Euros so that’s £16mill.
With the stupid transfer fees I have to say that would be a bargin if its true (My source on this is via a Journalist friend, this is second hand mind you and is coming from a Spanish journalist friend of his. So how accurate this is I don’t know but other places are reporting it too)
AIG – Guti?no way, he’s too old. We need younger players, to replace our older players. I’m not too bothered about Silva going to Madrid, too light weight imo for the premiership.
Is Van der Vaart a desperate move by SAF? We could have signed him years ago, so why now.
@Wakey
have you any links to these storys from real saying he’s going to united
cause thats excellent if both sides are talking it means that theres smoke and we just need to wait and see the fire
as for the orignal ladyboy
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Guti would be an excellent signing…………………if it was 2002
willierednut
I think its because he would of been on the bench or someone would of been bench for him
i dont think we needed him before
but we may now
Lets buy suarez and milner PLEASE
GHTT – Original ladyboy lol. I would have thought signing VDV would hinder Ando’s progress, unless andos not going to be back until the late october, start of november.
Don’t know what the deal with Van Der Vaart is, but I think it’s highly unlikely that we would make a bid for any Real player. Just a hunch. And I agree with willierednut if we wanted Van Der Vaart we could have got him when he left Hamburg. As things stand now, if we are going to make any transfers, we have one week to do so before things get out of hand.
@ghtt
Full blown stories are thin on the ground ATM. Just checked the bb gossip page and they have one linked. It’s mainly journalist chatter ATM although the official la liga Twitter account has posted what I believe is this story (I don’t speak spanish)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/7801898/Liverpool-fans-turn-ire-on-managing-director-in-demonstration-at-Rafael-Benitezs-exit.html
So when you cut to the chase, this is what it’s all about isn’t it? Xenophobia. Burning the American flag.
Let’s hope our mob doesn’t get any ideas from this and bring further embarrassment to the club.
Ashamed to be a British football supporter when I see this sort of thing.
You can always count on these clowns for a melodramatic reaction:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2010/article-1283987/WORLD-CUP-2010-England-suffer-shattering-blow-captain-Rio-Ferdinand-ruled-tournament.html?ITO=1490
@ willierednut says:
AIG – Guti?no way, he’s too old. We need younger players, to replace our older players. I’m not too bothered about Silva going to Madrid, too light weight imo for the premiership.
Ronaldo was lightweight when he came to OT, i think he turned out okay, Nani was also considered lightweight , so is
@Paul H
This is what it’s all about for a group of fans who find it easy to resort to xenophobia to explain their troubles. But the real issues are far deeper and have nothing to do with whether Gillette, Hicks and the Glazers are Americans or not. Thankfully we haven’t seen that sort of stuff in our protests.
@ willierednut says:
AIG – Guti?no way, he’s too old. We need younger players, to replace our older players. I’m not too bothered about Silva going to Madrid, too light weight imo for the premiership.
Ronaldo was lightweight when he came to OT, i think he turned out okay, Nani was also considered lightweight , so is Obertan. If you’ve got the talent and attitude is all thats required imo .
Wakey – Caught offside was running a story about United signing VDV, they’ve got us signing a different player every day, so i wouldn’t put much stock in that website.
Slim – I never heard any – one saying Ronaldo, or Nani was lightweight, thats my opinion on Silva, i’d rather we signed Cole.
@willierednut says:
C’mon .I’m sure you’ve heard it a couple of times. You can’t possibly say you havent heard people say Ronaldo was light falls over to easily and that he needed to add a bit of weight. Even fletcher thought he was lightweight and worked on it at the gym. Joe Cole ? no thanks. like you said, thats just my opinion. To be honest, i’d rather he went to arsenal, and we got the french boy : Gourcuff. Silva looks like he wants to stay in spain.
There’s actually a wealth of talent (midfielders). If we want to dip into the transfer market. Real and Barcelona are focused on players with a bit of experience and are leaving the rest behind. I’d rather those two teams rush and buy their 40 – 50 million pound players so the rest of the world can do some good transfer business
Slim – One trick pony, i heard a few times, but not lightweight. Ronaldo only cost 12 million, Valencia are looking for close to 30 million, quite a difference for a guy who has no premiership experience. Agree on Gourcuff, very good player, but he wants to go Arsenal, according to the red tops.
Let’s make a £40 million bid for Torres. The hilarious consequences in the Liverpool hierarchy would be worth the scandal. And plus, you never know…
Rio out of world cup.
Drogba out of world cup – fractured elbow.
SSN are saying rios out
willierednut, is it official mate? I was also about to mention the Drogba thing. Bad day for World cup squads…
if england win the world cup does that mean stevie gbh stevie me stevie i can get a manager sacked gerrard lift the trophy or will wayne `it all lies on his shoulders anyway` rooney get the arm band
@GHTT
I think it will be Gerrard. Unless he gets injured too or continues his crappy form and Capello drops him.
Costas – It’s unconfirmed at the minute, but SSN are saying he’s out. dawson replacing him.
its 100% rio is out dawson is been called up
@Costas, Don’t think he would drop him… He is second in line for captaincy, but if he is injured/gets subbed, Wazza is next in line (as he was captain for Brazil game) Only positive I can see is increased responsibility etc, although he seems to get more frustrated and likely to lash out in an England shirt because of the lack of support/shit service he receives.
Would like to think Drogba may miss start of season but doubt it.
Finally, read through a lot of comments about and am becoming increasingly worried by the amount readers are believing on the web… There are some shit sites out there, and as willierednut says, they link us with a different player every day. This is to get more traffic to their sites and hence more advertising money. Please don’t believe all the crap on there!!
Rant over!!
Rio is the only central defender with pace, England are fooked.
SSN are saying the scouser gurrier is captain
they are saying that fergies number 1 fan carra could be played in CD
Just call up Wes Brown For Fuck Sake
Big bad Wes Brown, he’s too mean for the world cup.
Fuck, is Rio ever going to be fully fit again. We’ll start the season with Evans and Vidic then. If one gets injured then we have a problem, Rio won’t be available when we may need him. Who’s going to captain the national team then, Steven Gerrard? Bloody hell.
Bloody hell. This thing about Rio isnt’t good. I wonder what his long term fitness will turn out to be, Good thing SAF went out and got some one. Who knows he may well look to bring another defender in. The last thing we want to see next season is Smalling freezing up
willierednut says:
Big bad Wes Brown, he’s too mean for the world cup.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
GOLD
To Rio
Hit The Beach And Relax Till Aug
I do feel bad for Rio, but it really is symbolic of how this season has gone for him. As for United, I think it’s a good thing that this happened now because it gives us a chance to realise that our defence will likely suffer from the same troubles it did last year if we don’t do something about it. I’d lilke to think that Smalling will offer a good option, but I don’t think he is ready yet. It’s time to look for a central defender imo.
Any chances of me cheering Inngurland have gone out the window with that twat Stevie G now Captain. I know people are celebrating the fact Rio is injured, which is one of the reasons why I can’t stand ingurland fans. Am gutted for him but he’s become injury prone these last 18 months. I can see him calling it a day within the next 2 years which is shame because when fit the guy is class.
I wonder whether Fergie might rediscover his ruthless streak and jettison Rio? We just cannot afford another season of playing a different back 4 each game, and it wont help if Rio is in and out of every match. Whether this knee problem is related to his back I don’t know, but I think it is abundantly clear that he is never going to fully recover from this problem.
As much as our defensive injuries were of an exceptional nature last year, you would also have to say that Neville, Ferdinand and Brown are injury prone, and Evans, Vidic and the Da Silva twins are always picking up little niggly injuries – Evra is the only one who is consistently fit!
Therefore it’s quite conceivable that we could end up with another period next season with 4/5/6 defenders out, and as Costas says, Smalling isn’t ready to play a major role yet. He has raw talent, but also has a lot to learn and it would be throwing him in at the deep end if he ended up having to be more than just a back-up/squad player.
@ Sam Smith I’d agree with you on Brown, Neville, Rio and Da Silvas. I do think this was the first season Vidic was out for a prolonged period of time. I think Rio will become to us what Hierro was for Madrid all those years ago, plays only when fit. Why is that the best 2 english centre backs have become injury prone. By that I mean King and Rio.
Well, smalling is like a young Rio, and the fact we’ve got Evans and Vidic, i’m not really worried for the start of next season. @NRD Spot on mate, that cunt Cundy wants Terry back as captain, he’s almost gloating about Rio missing out.
Remember when we signed Smalling there were rumours that it was because Fergie knew he was going to have to let Vidic go …. well it looks today that the old fox might just be suspecting what Costas and GHTT said re Rio’s body slowly breaking down. We’ll see.
Red Devil …. we don’t agree on everything re the Glazers but yoy 12:24 post is dead on for me.
I love your …LUBU (Love United Be United) but will stick with LU – I Fergie I Trust for now!!
LU – IFIT
If anyone remembers me, I’m back now.
Finally some non-Glazer stuff to talk about.
It’s a bit of a shame that both Rio and Drogba are out of the World Cup, two great players.
Chin up Rio!!! Maybe a good rest over the summer will have him back for the start of the season in good health! Every cloud! I had the misfortune of having to listen to Talksport in my mates car this afternoon! What planet is that dick head Jason Cundy on. First he says it isn’t a loss for England, and might even improve the team as he has had a poor season (While failing to add Terry has been shite!) He then says Rio was second choice captain anyway (Excuse me but I’m pretty sure he is Capello’s first choice as Terry is now NO choice) He then asked the sports correspondent in South Africa who he thought would now captain the side (Hello, as a sports presenter should he not know Gerrard is vice-captain, or is he that moronic that he doesn’t know the purpose of a vice-captain!) But the cherry on the cake was him suggesting Terry should be reinstated as captain!! When the correspondent said this would never happen and Capello had made that quite clear in his meeting (The one where Capello fucked him off in 5 minutes!) Cundy then says “But this is the world cup!!! Oh right, lets forget what a complete fuck witt twatt Terry has been and because its the world cup, forget it ever happened! Sorry about the rant gents, but that tit cundy gets right up my nose!! If there was any justice it would be terry on crutches coming home!! Oh….and if anyone needed another reason why Heskey shouldn’t be allowed near an England squad….fucking your captain up one week before the world cup finals just about tops the lot!!!!
Rio Ferdinand -You got merked son!
Sorry, had to be said.
@ Bigphil2003……lmao!!!!!
not just here but its funny seeing and hearing all the stick Rio gets from his own supporters. At least other Cunts were waiting for him to start a match in South Africa before they stuck the knives in. but there exists a section of United supporters who never fail to have a dig at Rio. he was even critised for “taking england too seriously” despite being made Captain of his Country for a World Bloody Cup. Slightly more important than his Club to be honest. He’s earned everything he has in life, he hasn’t had a free ride, and he doesn’t owe me anything, so personally I couldn’t begrudge him for looking forward to something as unique as a World Cup. Its his fucking life. Im 100% gutted for him that he isn’t going, really am, its a shame. but I can imagine a section of United supporters being quietly chuffed. CUNTS, I think they’re called. Yes, thats it, CUNTS.
off topic from the off topic
but id love it if you could check out emilys new vidic chant she did just out of here sick bed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc7ySowl53E
There are people talking about reinstating Terry? What the fuck? Ok, I can see why Chelsea fans would gloat about Rio’s misfortune and ask for Terry’s reinstatement. Anyone else doing it is an idiot. Terry should never be anywhere near that armband. Give it to Heskey for all I care.
@Dave Mack
The Smalling capture is one for the future. At the time Vida was injured under mysterious circumstances and many thought that he could leave at the end of the season. So naturally some felt that Ferdinand and Evans would play together in 10-11 with Smalling slowly gaining experience. In hindsight, Fergie probably realised what Rio’s status is. Nonetheless, I feel that a defender is still necessary since Vidic has two years left on his contract, which might as well be one year if he doesn’t renew his contract next year.
I would be disappointed if United fans were happy about Rio missing the world cup, that would be selfish, imo.
I’m terribly sad with the news that our Rio is not gonna play in the world cup. And I’m absolutely gutted that stevie me is gonna lead the team. Give it to Rooney ffs
My opinion on Rio is that he should have taken the Scholes route and quit international footall after his back injury last year. Nonetheless, he kept playing and that’s a credit to him. You can’t be happy for today’s developments. The way I looked at things, Rio shouldn’t be as first choice for us next season as he was in the past, so he might as well have enjoyed his experience as England captain in a World Cup.
Unfortunately, Rio fell victim to a curse that Michael Owen and David Beckham fell victims to earlier this year. These 3 were in the running to become the first English players to compete in 4 consecutive World Cups. Rio was the last player gunning for that.
Away from Riogate, i’m really chuffed about Evra being captain of France, really impressed with the guy
Gutted for rio. was likely to be his last major tournament. also fear that this is the beginning of the end for him.its up to the likes of evans, vidic and smalling now. one cunt was stripped of the captaincy and now another one will lead england in the world cup. wouldnt have minded if rio would have lifted the trophy and JT would have stood there watching rio lift it instead of him.
Of course we feel for Rio, being Captain and all he was clearly looking forward to leading the national team for the first time in his career; this may be his best, and last chance, to ever play in a WC. The small minority of Utd fans who welcomed this news should go shove their heads down the toilet. It’s natural that we would be talking about how this will affect Utd, rather than talking about how it’ll affect Ingurland (with or without Rio, they are still going to be found out by stronger teams); we barely got games out of him last season, so his current injury is a big blow to Utd fans, equally. Although the media of course don’t acknowledge this – I’ve yet to see a “Big blow for Utd AND England” headline. I know the WC is a week away but he still plays for this club, ffs. Are they assuming all Utd fans don’t give a toss about injuries, club wise, just because the WC is edging close?
Unlike previous season, we no longer have a Rio who is able to play 30+ games a season. Seeing him participate in SA would have reassured us that he is slowly regaining fitness and will be ready for next season. Unfortunately he’ll be suffering from setbacks and get injured now more often than before. Our only formidable, reliable defensive partnership is Evans-Vida. That’s something for Fergie to worry about during his holiday.
We might now, go for the Danish guy who plays for palermo.
WTF. italian tabloid Tuttosport reckons Andrea Pirlo is in danger of missing the WC. really disappointing this. always look to see the best at the World cup and some if the big names are already out
Christ, Gerrard as Ingerland captain. If Ingerland do win it he will have the same status as Bobby More. That DJ assulting, pedophile and corrupt game thrower picking up the World Cup as captain will make me sick to the core. Although being English I simply cannot have any desire to support them this World Cup.
I heard it is ligament damage will he miss the start of the season? At least the physios can work on his back for three months.
I’m glad Rio has got injured, hopefully that means that once his treatment for the injury has been completed he’ll have the summer off to relax and get in great shape to return, strong as ever, to aide United’s cause.
I would much rather Rio be regaining form playing for england after being out for most of the season than have him laying on a beach with ligament damage.
It has to be said Rio is really unlucky. I feel sorry for him, hope he gets over it.
GHTT – one slip and he’ll break your nose… good one. Hope Emily gets well soon.
As for VDV, I haven’t seen him play since the Hamburg days – is he still playing well when he gets the chance at real?
@Mack @21,49 yesterday. Thank you mate, you see you are begining to develop the various avenues that are open or can be opened. The ministry of sport makes sense as does the Eu cultural level,I really dont even care if it was the Ministry of funny walks.Lets look and think what are realistically availiable
All I was trying which failed was to get some suggestions from the lads as what we could realistically do.
To sit on our hands and just let things go on and on and on, seems to me acceptance that everything is toot sweet.Fail to achieve Champions league qualification next year and you will see the club nose dive at a perilous rate.Thats how close this is, and narrow the Margins the Glazer are playing with.
They are not bothered about playing Roulette with the Club it means nothing to them, just a convienent source of easy Dollars
I can totally understand your willing to support the club and trust in Sir Alex that is 100% correct I applaud you.Sir Alex is going to have to call it a day sooner or later, we all naturally hope its later Dave.
Sir Alex is the reason we have achieved success during the Glazer tenure, nothing at all to do with them. If you take that fact as sanity, then you must develop forward life, with out the great man.
We all were high with hopes for the Red Knights to make a successfull bid, its been written about elswhere about that and them.
We need to just think carefully and logically the next stage as fans to show discontent and step up the pressure.
I personnaly dont feel blogs etc Must etc publicise this information of facts against the Glazer.
What I can never understand nor can find a logical reason for Manchester United have a world wide fan base say approximately 75 Million, Must have a support of 169 k, someone is doing there job right and someone aint.MUST should take a more proactive role to shout and shout louder the facts. This is not solely about season ticket supporters(although they have the luxury at present to witness our fabulous team) Its drawing in the world wide support to get all believers on board.
Its not a question of dividing the United support this debate, its a question of ridding the Club.Or there will be no United to divide, in its present form.
@Willie thank,s My Niron buddie ever the realist and rational, Willie all I was trying to do was keep on the thread as best as possible by looking for other possibilities and routes we as fans could raise and debate.I know the No 10 thing was ignored by the Labour government Willie, but it got the Country and the POPULAR press backing fully the Anti Iraq invasion,thats all I was trying to illustrate Willie.
@GHTT I dont know what you are meaning mate Rugrats and screwdrivers, I was trying to be serious I am not sure if you are, lolIf you dont think thousands and thousands of peacefull Manchester United supporters causing traffic chaos and legal upheavel in London would not get huge International media attention then I am sorry, I believe it would, and would only further illustrate to the Glazer its not a done deal,and we are not only a few dimensions, but are planning new tatics and more to come.
@Wayne you are bang on the button mate who sold the club in the first way, and rubber stamped this financing and we know who objected to it vehmently in the first place but turned turtle.
But as you know Wayne the have restructured there arrangements as there was not sufficent acess to get to the Clubs funds in a large enough way, they did this in January 2010 and hence there is now a more serious nose around the Clubs neck.Wayne with the greatest respect we can sit back and do nothing, would you do that if someone was robbing your house, NO, you deal with the Thief then worry about the next stage.
@Jansdad Hi mate long time no communicate “Mad as a bag of Haggis’s, the plural is Hagi, lol only joking its Haggis. You have got it keep, it going “you know it makes sense.
Believe IT AINT OVER.
@ RedAscot – the problem with MUST is that they don’t shout out the facts. Anyone doing a bit of homework of their own can see quite easily that they, at best, give a worst case scenario at every opportunity and at worst, tell outright lies. It depends on how you want to view these “facts”.
That’s all well and good but once people suss you out and see that you aren’t always telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, they tend not to take everything you say at face value anymore. Your credibility is shot.
MUST’s credibility is well and truly shot right now. They jumped into bed with the first people who came along and that figure you see on their website – 160,000 or whatever it is right now… well, I think it is fair to say that you can read that as 40,000 (at most) because most of those people only signed up because the Red Knights said that if certain membership targets were met, they would proceed with the bid. The targets were met. No bid.
As for getting the Government involved. Be careful what you wish for. Everything the government touches turns to shit pretty quickly. Seriously, you don’t want some prat who doesn’t even know the offside rule telling football clubs how they should be run.
The Glazers are here to stay as far as I can see and as you quite clearly point out, without on field success, their plan is doomed. It is therefore in their best interests to do everything possible to ensure that we remain as successful and competitive as we have been for the five years of their tenure so far.
@The Red Devil, assume that post is aimed at me, read who you adressed it to? I aint been near Ascot in my life.
But I already like you, reading through your post, its thought through and civil, but clearly coming from a different perspective. The facts MUST send out are from financial results, eg balance sheets and profits, within balance sheet the breakdown of cash on hand(Inclusive of Ronaldo sale) the interest paid, the liquidity of the club, the value of the club, the net transfer spend since there arrival, the debt burden.
If you see MUST die then that will coincide with the death of Manchester United(because some fans bury there heads in the sand) I dont note anyone else of regard taking up the baton do you?
Tell me what is wrong with a protest against the government and there handling of these matters, mate I did say in my original rant Manchester United fans, but i listed many clubs who would happily join in on a organized protest we all love our own clubs and the treachery that is allowed to happen at the inception of there purchases and thereafter.
I really dont like to shout people down, your last paragraph, I cant treat seriously your having a joke right.The Red Devil, tell me what they have done for Manchester united, with facts and figures in your own words
Nite Reds. Believe it aint over.
redscot -
Hate to be a bitch, but it’s hard to take someone seriously about financial issues when they don’t know the proper use of ‘there’. For the record, and so you don’t sound like an idiot when defending an issue we both agree on, there= a place, their= a person’s or a group of people’s, they’re= they are. Got it? Good. Now keep fighting the good fight without sounding like a fucking 13 year old hood.
Gutted for Rio missing out on the world cup. He has been doing some great humanitarian work and he deserves better, unlike a certain Terry AND family. Last read he will be out for up to 8 weeks, that means he would miss quite a bit of preseason training. Hopefully he can be back up to speed when the season starts. That said, he has missed quite alot of matches this year and a half. Hopefully they can find some cure to his back, otherwise it might well be the beginning of the end for Rio.
As for Drogba for breaking his arm… All I can say is… There goes Cannavaro’s dream of being a saviour for his team with a bicycle kick, haha.
@redscot – I apologise for spelling your name wrong.
If you’d like to see a thread which brings into question the figures MUST are quoting then take a look at this:-
http://andersred.blogspot.com/2010/05/q3-results-first-thoughts.html
Anders, as I’m sure you know, is the guy behind MUST’s “facts & figures”.
@redscot
They don’t just send out the results, they give the results, highlight all the ‘losses’ but refuse to give them any real world or even hisorical context at club level and then give a summary that at best is worst case and at worst lies.
If you go through their statements for example they have on a number of occasions complained about the ‘wasted’ tens of millions spent on ‘Goodwill’. And presented the way they do it seems awful BUT Goodwill is a non-cash deduction related to overpaying for aquiring an asset. Its on the Holding Companies accounts rather than the clubs so no actual money is lost from the club and in reality bears little relevance, its just a accounting entry that does actually save REAL money when it comes to corporation tax payments and the likes.
As for the other clubs you mentioned, its hardly the same. Those clubs are all clubs who were barely viable companies in the past and who then started spending money well outside their means and didn’t grow the business side alongside. They would all JUMP at being in United shoes as its a stable and well run business.
@redscot
Believe me when I tell you that accounting figures are not to be considered as facts. They are subject to as much considerations as anything. So when anyone, from any perspective, quotes figures from a profit and loss statement you have to be wary and critical. Even though certified accountants review these figures, they can be legally manipulated into what you want them to show. And interpreting them is always a question of the glass being half empty/half full.
That’s why you need to be equally critical when listening to both MUST and people like Wakey (no offense there mate).
In a sense, I think that a lot of the more vocal people have not put MUST under the same scrutiny as the Glazers. This is not to say that MUST are wrong, just that most of what they say is taken as to be truthful, whereas when even Sir Alex says he has the money he needs is not.
@Benb your post at 4.24, thank you for pointing out the correct use of a word.Can you also rectify Dyslexia ?
If you watch the blog mate, you will see I very seldom stick around for long now, I am not as fast as the other boys/girls at typing I have to take my time.
But thank you again for trying to help me not look like an Idiot and a 13 year old Hood.
If we witnessed your contribution to the blog and the topic, your comment might be taken more seriously.
But feel free to take a pop from afar.
@The Red Devil, no need to apoligise mate, I was just having a wee joke with you regards the name Ascot.
Thanks for the link to AndersRed blog I have been a subsciber for some time to Andy Green’s fantastic site. We are just going to have to disagree mate on the Value of the Glazer to Manchester United.
I hope we can communicate again sometime on a football topic, and not so financial.
@Wakey thanks for reply again mate, we are never going to agree on this subject, lets just shake hands mate and move on, neither of us are going to give.
What I will acknowledge you dont half fight your corner well all credit to you mate.
I have sorta lost the will because of the snide comments on my use of English.
Keep it Red Wakey.
@Yergen, thanks for that, I am a 1/2 glass full fellow, although in real life its empty just now.
I do understand the taking all sides on board and digest all facts that is why I read comments like Wakeys to understand. If you think I am a Sheep type lad, you clearly dont read my posts I am free to think and decide for myself, which I have done after hours and hours and more hours of online work.
Again mate what we will agree on we keep it Red, thats were we will get even ground.
Good bye
@redscot – Personally, I always have far more of a problem with people who refuse to at least listen to another side of the argument. We’re all guilty of the occasional spelling mistake (blushes!).
I’d rather argue with someone who at least acknowledges the opposite side of the story but types the occasional word wrong than someone who writes perfectly but has their head so far up their own arse that they can’t even hear what I am saying.
All I will say is don’t believe the hype. We’re gonna win this Premier League back this season. There is some awesome talent already at Manchester United and one or two good signings by Fergie will make absolutely certain.
The glass is way more than half-full, mate!
Love United, BE United! (with all due respect to Dave Mack!
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Believe
@redscot
Just don’t take a figure for granted just because it’s from anyone you trust. Your on your own in this matter.
Love United. End of.
@ redscot
I’m not claiming you’re doing anything wrong, though.