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Refs Agree That Spurs Should Point Finger At Gomes

Alan Wiley

“First and foremost, what we have to remember is that the goal is within the laws of the game. The game hadn’t stopped and so, in essence, Mark was right in law. You’re taught right from the very start that you don’t stop until the whistle blows or the ball goes out of play, so in law the goal is a correct goal. I’m sure that Mark must have thought at that stage, at 1-0 to Manchester United and Spurs wanting to keep the game going and Gomes had the ball in his hands, that he wanted to keep the game moving. The situation is that if you’re going to think about bringing it back, for instance if a player is fouled but then he loses his footing and he still can’t keep control of the ball, then you can bring it back. In that situation there, Gomes has actually got the ball in his hands and has actually still got possession of the ball. What he then does after that is nothing to do with the referee. If he chose to throw the ball on the ground, that was his choice. He didn’t throw it there because he lost control of it, so therefore in those circumstances you’re probably giving the goalkeeper two bites of the cherry.”

Graham Poll

“Due to the bizarre run of events that followed, Nani’s legitimate penalty claim was overlooked by many, including Tottenham boss Harry Redknapp. Nani appeared to be pushed from behind as he raced past Younes Kaboul. He went to ground very easily as most players do, but if an attacker does not go down then he will never get the decision. Clattenburg could not see Nani deliberately handle the ball from his position. Anyway, it became irrelevant when Heurelho Gomes picked up the ball. The referee would want the game to flow and playing on was the best decision having not given the penalty. For the record, handball is not a mandatory caution, whatever Alan Hansen says. If Gomes felt he had a free-kick why walk 10 yards up the pitch to take it? Why not play to the whistle? His actions were bizarre and caused all of the problems. At no point did Clattenburg blow the whistle or make any move to do so, nor did he signal ‘advantage’. He shouted ‘Play on’, but you do that when there is no offence. If Gomes had put the ball down at the point where Nani had handled it and Nani had kicked it in from there then I am sure that Clattenburg would not have allowed the goal.”

nb. Alan Wiley is the referee who Sir Alex Ferguson labelled unfit and unable to keep up with the pace of the game. He has no reason to speak favourably of Manchester United or fight our corner.

1. The linesman is at fault. He saw Nani get his shirt pulled in the box and he saw Nani handle the ball. He didn’t raise his flag for either of these things. He had a much better view of both incidents than Mark Clattenburg and if the linesman didn’t raise his flag and alert the referee to either incident, then that is his problem and he is accountable. Putting his flag up after a load of verbal from Gomes is pointless.

2. The linesman, Simon Beck, is the same linesman who didn’t spot Gareth Bale running the ball out of play in the first half (and Bale has the nerve to question Nani’s sportsmanship! Hypocrite) and also didn’t spot Didier Drogba’s offside goal against us last season. Chelsea won the game 2-1 and a few weeks later won the league by 1 point. Spurs and United fans should be united in condemning this man’s incompetence.

3. Once putting aside the blame of the linesman, you then have to point the finger at Gomes. He heard no whistle (because there wasn’t one) he saw no flag (because it didn’t get raised) yet decided a freekick had been awarded. 10-year-olds down the park on a Sunday afternoon know better than that. Should Nani have picked the ball up and put it on the penalty spot because he believed he should have had a penalty, despite no whistle or flag? You play to the whistle, regardless of what decision you think should have been made.

4. Nani was dishonest to knowingly touch the ball then get up and score. Just as Kaboul was dishonest when he pulled Nani’s shirt in the box. The stats for a single game charting whenever a player was dishonest would be off the scale though. For any fans to claim any of their players wouldn’t have taken advantage of the goalkeeper’s stupidity is kidding themselves. Nani no doubt felt aggrieved after not getting a decision on the shirt pull, so will have happily taken advantage of Gomes’ mistake, just like any other player in the league would have done.

5. Any set of fans would be livid if a goal like that went against their team, United included, but that’s how football works. When a decision goes against you, you’re wild, when a decision goes in your favour, you’re over the moon (or hysterically laughing, as many of us were on Saturday). Spurs fans do need to get over themselves though. Yes, we get it, the Mendes goal 6 years ago was ridiculous. Everyone could see it was miles over the line without even needing a replay. But that’s when it has to stop. To bleat on about Michael Carrick penalty two years ago is pathetic. United scored a further FOUR GOALS that day and played against 11 men for 90 minutes when we should have played against 10 men for 84 minutes. That’s football. But the paranoia and victim playing is far too scouse for my liking. Minutes silence and black armbands all round.




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83 Comments

  1. FletchTHEMAN says:

    @IrishRed My g*d mate, you should put a health warning on that link! What a depressing place. Think I will stay away in future. Be nice if they tried to point out what it all had to do with them.

    Scott, can we start taking about the Bursaspor game. Hope to see rafael or brown, Macheda and Obertan need more games as well. Evans or Browning should get some minutes as well.

  2. bcvbcvb says:

    @Scott the red

    Mark Clattenberg has said in his report that he played the Advantage…

    Surely you must know this by now?

  3. ssg says:

    @FletchTHEMAN, that point I made about officiating has been my issue since the game ended.

    I posted here originally because the blogger printed Poll’s comments that blame should to Gomes, but he pruned out the bits where Poll indicates the ref didn’t do so well. It struck me as less than honest.

    Anyway, we both have other fish to fry.

  4. FletchTHEMAN says:

    ESPN is reporting an interview with Ferguson stating stating that Rooney’s U-turn came only after fans made personal threats outside his home. Bit sad that. Can see him warming the bench for the rest of the season if that is true. Will it never go away?

  5. Scott the Red says:

    bcvbcvb – Do you have a link to that? I haven’t seen that at all.

    Again though, I refer you to the article, and to Alan Wiley’s comments. Look at what he says about the rules regarding an advantage being played. Gomes fucked up so move on now.

  6. bcvbcvb says:

    Yes Gomes did not help the situation, but the fact remains that Twatenberg (clever eh) did not see the handball, and then has tried to cover his arse by saying he saw it and played Advantage, this was Announced on SSN that He had Stated he played advantage.

    But As Gallagher said, there was no advantage, and no time or play had passed, so he should have bought it back and given the free-kick (but he would’ve had to have seen it to do this ;) )

  7. Scott the Red says:

    bcvbcvb – “I’m sure that Mark must have thought at that stage, at 1-0 to Manchester United and Spurs wanting to keep the game going and Gomes had the ball in his hands, that he wanted to keep the game moving. The situation is that if you’re going to think about bringing it back, for instance if a player is fouled but then he loses his footing and he still can’t keep control of the ball, then you can bring it back. In that situation there, Gomes has actually got the ball in his hands and has actually still got possession of the ball. What he then does after that is nothing to do with the referee. If he chose to throw the ball on the ground, that was his choice. He didn’t throw it there because he lost control of it, so therefore in those circumstances you’re probably giving the goalkeeper two bites of the cherry.”

  8. ParkLane67 says:

    You’ve got to ask why a Man U fan would bother writing this article? The only explanation is that it is just another huge embarassment precipitated by our favourite ref! Get over it!

  9. h1911 says:

    you haven’t quoted all Graham Poll’s comments. He also said that after talking to the linesman he would have disallowed the Goal – real his full article before using selective quotes.

  10. Simmo says:

    All worth it tho just to hear Talkspork radio go into meltdown today! With no regard for the rules of the game, presenter after presenter condem United & Nani. Pathetic station! Good laugh tho!

  11. sane one says:

    nice to see that Nani’s great sportsmanship and sense of fair play is emulated not only by his manager and honoray fourth official Rio( what drug test) Ferdinand but by so mmany posters. Blimey, United fans are despised by other fans almost as much as United fans despise the Glazers. United and Glazers- a match made in heaven. Roll on the brokers men.

  12. Costas says:

    Sportsmanship? Did he have to give back the ball to a Spurs player due to some kind of fair play? The ball was there to be won. Gomes fucked up. Get over it.

    Maybe if Nani went with a 2 footed challenge on a Spurs player like Palacios tried to do with Ronaldo, you would appreciate his sportsmanship a lot more.

  13. xol says:

    Jesus, Spurs fans. Give it up and shut the fuck up. You’ve all been watching too much MOTD and taking it as Gospel.

    When you find your selves at the top, season after season, when the Media get a bit sick of you winning everything, you’ll start to realise that facts are often overlooked (see Kaboul, Shirt tug and penalty). The word ‘ABU’ didn’t start popping up on United forums like this one as a result of paranoia ffs.

  14. willierednut says:

    Nani done what any other player would have done, stop crying you bunch of women.

  15. Devil310 says:

    IF only Megan Fox would not have married her longtime boyfriend….I could have had a chance with her….

    Moral of the story: Get Over it

  16. Xyth says:

    @Scott the Red

    Tonight’s match at Blackpool proved your point 5 fully, when a West Brom player was send of for a similar challenge!!!!!

    Rather than blaming referee’s for every defeat at OT deluded Spurs fans should look at their own players!!

  17. dannysoya says:

    this is to all spurs fans and to the rest of the world. if you were in that position after having gotten confirmation from the ref to play on. would you put the ball in the net? if your answer is yes then you have no right and no credibility to argue this point. if your answer is no then you can continue.

  18. bigphil2003 says:

    Why do people say the linesman gave the ref a getout? He didnt flag for the handball at first so then you have to ask, at what point does an incident become too long ago to bring play back to?

  19. dazjoe says:

    For fucks sake.
    If Nani had simply picked the ball up and put it on the penalty spot after being fouled, without a whistle being blown or the linesman flagging, what would Spurs fans be saying?
    Gomez tried to take the law into his own hands, there had been no whistle, the flag was down and the ref was in no way indicating a free kick, yet despite all this evidence, Gomez still thought “I’ve seen the handball, therefore it is a free kick so I’ll throw the ball down, regardless of what the actual oficials are doing, because it’s up to me whether we get free kicks or not.”
    Why didn’t Gomez put the ball on the penalty spot? He had seen the push on Nani ( regardless of how easy Nani went down, he was fouled, it was a penalty) so if he thinks decisions are up to him, why didn’t he do the correct one?
    The only one at fault is Gomez, end of story.

  20. United says:

    Just listened to Patrick Barclay’s take, I absolutely hate him and Tony Cascarino, Guardian’s podcast is about a million miles better

  21. OTRed says:

    Wow, finally United get a favorable decision, refs are interviewed the day after, and they agree with it. Shocker. Anyone know what Dermot Gallagher’s opinion is?

  22. Adyl says:

    Gomez reminded me of Barthez… Forgot which game but Barthez put up his hand and stood lividly claiming that the attacking player was offside but the ref was definitely not fooled.

    Sportsmanship is getting over-rated. For example, when your team mate is down injured, it is OK to play on but once your opponent gets hold of the ball, then they are obliged to put it out of play? Football is a game you try to win and players will try to gain whatever advantage they can get (shirt-puling, diving). But to say Nani was being unsportsmanlike for scoring that goal is plainly stupid. Nani has every right to play the ball. I think even Paul Scholes was shouting at him that the ball was still in play. The ref don’t need to cater to Spurs just because Gomez was being too clever with himself. Maybe the ref should have disallowed West Brom’s goal since normally, VDS would have caught the ball without problems. It’s probably unsportsmanlike for the West Brom players to take advantage of such silly mistakes.

  23. Jeet says:

    STR, site was down or what?

  24. redcrab says:

    @Steve: “I love the way utd fans are hiding behind the law makers when suits you.” Personally speaking, as a United fan, I think the refereeing was absolutely farcical and would be absolutely gutted if we had conceded a goal in the same circumstances.

    Does this mean I think Nani is a cheat? Of course not. He was an opportunist and on Saturday it paid off. On another day he could have been yellow carded for scoring that goal such is the almost random nature of refereeing decisions that you see every weekend in the Premiership.

    I also feel that most of the statements we’ve seen from referees show them closing ranks to try and cover up what is really another display of questionable competence.

    Having said all of that, I’m delighted with the 3 points!

  25. Sean says:

    This site and his moderator is a FUCKING Joke..There you go.I evenatuuly swore..I posted sensible non swearing comments on here and you cant even have the balls to publish it..Just like the cheating , scums you lot, supportesrs,players are..Stick your fucking cheating club..We all hate you more now anyway,..Tossers!!!!

  26. willierednut says:

    Sean – Fuck you too mate.

  27. Sean says:

    uuuh..I have to swear to get my mesaages posted..wow..What a site….!!!

  28. King Eric says:

    OooHH Seany boy’s getting tough. Piss off son.

    Simmo – Yeah best bit of talksport last night was callers saying they felt for Arry, even gooners! Saying he is the most HONEST man out there! Yeah right. Dodgy second hand arthur daley, tapping up cunt.

  29. Sean says:

    Ok. Had my say..I will piss off..Cheers all…

  30. Costas says:

    Sean, swearing over the internet won’t make you grow a dick. Sorry that you were born that way. It happens…

  31. Always Be Closing says:

    @Sean – you penis, your other message on this topic is here, stop getting in such a hissy fit over a website of all things.

  32. SmartAlex says:

    @Sean

    You should sue the doctor.
    Clearly they took the wrong piece at your circumcision.

    Get lost Knobless!

  33. SmartAlex says:

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