Manchester City fans have spent decades complaining about United receiving favourable decisions from the referee. This season, City messageboards were filled with talk of a ‘conspiracy’, in which the FA and Sky Sports were working against City to help United win the title. Seriously.
The debatable decisions table shows that United would have won the league by five points if the referee had always made the correct decisions in United games.
However, in the final game of the season, when United were just seconds away from winning the title, City played QPR’s eleven men for over half an hour after Joey Barton was sent off.
Replays show that Barton’s initial offence was in retaliation to Carlos Tevez taking a swipe at Barton though and referee Mike Dean has admitted that he should have sent him off.
FA report: “Mr Dean was questioned about the “Tevez” incident for which Mr Barton was dismissed. It was confirmed that neither the referee nor the assistant saw the alleged incident of Mr Tevez striking Mr Barton although Mr Barton immediately made representations to Mr Dean that is what happened, and such comments by Mr Barton can be clearly seen in the video. The commission accept that Mr Barton was aggrieved by the action of Mr Tevez and Mr Dean confirmed that had the incident been seen by the officials as shown by the clip supplied by Mr Barton, it would have been an automatic red card.”
What are the chances of City scoring two injury time goals if they hadn’t had a one man advantage (two if you count Dean) for 35 minutes?
You will remember that Mike Dean is the referee that allowed this winning goal to stand when United lost to Chelsea a couple of weeks before the end of the 2009-2010 season which United lost by one point.
It all matters little now but it’s worth remembering for the next time a City fan falsely claims United get all the decisions…
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Hhmm. Clutching at straws Scott mate. QPR were actually better with ten men. It was nowt to do with a man advantage. It was the fact United pissed it away and QPR switched off when word came through they were safe.
Best left alone this subject. The ABU’s never ever stick to the facts,if we bitch it just makes us look like the bitters.They won’t get as lucky next season and when we regain the title next May it’s going to be all the sweeter. Keep the faith number 20 coming up.
Fuck it..fuck city, their glory is temporary. What goes around comes around
Any thought on what David Whelan said that Fergie retiring at the end of next season?
With King Eric here……
Lets not kid ourselves and melt down with these ref theories……We’ve had our own fair share of dodgy decisions over the years. We lost the title at home to Everton
The one that really got away was when Balotelli stamped Parker. He should have been red carded, yet he was allowed to play and score a penalty five seconds from time. What a shame for the ref ?. City were very lucky to win the title which they did not deserve. United will come back stronger.
very true and city got more than there fair share last season and to lose on goal difference but the truth is we should of held on against everton and tbh i think injuries to key players hurt us more.
i think QPR would of cracked anyway tbh, i wasnt shocked when city came back to win as i was expecting it and at 2-2 QPRs kick off told the whole story, they booted it up the pitch and all dropped back.
the worse thing about tevez is that the fa wont be banning him which is a joke.
City won the title because they had a better goal difference than us…..Yes its sad to accept but lets not be bitter about it. The table does not lie
We lost the title on the final day in 95 because we could not fucking score just one more goal at West Ham, that hurt even more…. That is football for you though, we cannot win them all
Bitter isn’t a term we want to become associated with
Rai
Too fucking right my good friend! Too fucking right……. We move on and look forward, this IS the United way…… We lost players in a bloody air crash yet we bounced back……
We wait, we build and we WIN…………Never gave a fuck about others
Totally agree with KE and Cedars. It is what it is. Now let’s move on and fight for our title again.
The FA report can’t change the outcome of the BPL title. We’ve to admit that MC were lucky to win the title and MU had to accept that it came short when it mattered the most namely in the games against Wigan (where Fergie didn’t play his strongest 11) and more notably against Everton when we were leading by 2 clear goals at one point. We have to swallow our pride and take it that MC has its hands on the BPL trophy, temporarily. MU will come back stronger with some good signings-Kagawa, Hazard and Giroud/Lewandowski come the 2012/13 season.
Cedars – that’s right mate. SAF won’t be thinking about ref decisions he’ll know we gave the League away. Onwards and upwards. Roll on pre season fuck the Euros.
It is not the refs fault we drew 4-4 with Everton, nor is it the refs fault we lost 1-0 at City. We had every chance but couldn’t get it done. Best soak it up and look forward to next season.
Lets stop debating the past and look forward to the future…..
Can some one enlighten me? What the fuck is the BPL???
Rai
Fuck the Euros indeed mate, will not be watching any of that Platini run comedy show
Small time mentality to blame refs, but Scott has a point.
Lesson learnt the hard way!if Citeh lose title next season, expect top players to leave.
Strong feeling Hazzard will sign for us; SAF has been looking for a ‘midfield general’ – a classic number 10 to build the team around since days of Ballack, bid for Ozil, Anderson (hasn’t lived up to potential).
Excited by youth products coming through. Hope Macheda and Petrucci can be loaned to same side and develop together. Few years back was brilliant to see the understanding between Welbz and Kiko.
Complaining about ref’s decisions stopping is winning the league is what city have done for decades therefore by doing the same as them it makes us sound hypocritical and just as bitter as them, just as them bitching that all our fans come from outside Manchester and then trying to use our business model as an example of how to succeed.
The moment i saw mr dean, i definately know that city will win the game by all means,because he is against United and hate MUFC. United can never die….however long the moon disappears,someday it must shine again. GGMU.
Spilt milk syndrome . Lets put it straight on the pitch in the new season .
The title decider was the match against Everton, and the draw did not help Utd’s cause. We need to build for the future instead and start with lesson number 1: score as many goals as you can in a match to win it, 1-0′s are no longer safe, mostly when titles get decided on goal average…
United we stand we r united were do what we want next season united will have fire in there belly to take us to number 20 yo man
Cunts.
I think some of you get the article wrong.
WE don’t blame the refs for losing the title. We know it’s our own doing.
BUT, it shows clearly how deluded the City fans are when they slate us for “having 12 men”.
There’s NO LOGIC in many City fans and all ABU “pattern of thoughts” so we might as well show it for what it is.
If you let stupid arguments stand uncorrected, yhey will become “the truth”. It’s not.
United have allways fought the hard way and won against the odds. But I guess it’s hard to see when all your joy as a fan comes from watching Ingrrrrland fuck up.
Carrick > Barry
Roll on the next season this break could get tedious.. We’ll be called bitters soon. Let them have their moment.. Form is temporary, class is permament All we can do is make amends next season. We ONLY have ourselves to blame.
Cunts .
Oh and since we are on the matter.. Terry is a f***ing CUNT
Probably right, but like I said that day, putting your fate in the hands of Bolton, QPR and even Mike Dean was too much. Someone could also point towards Rio’s handball at Wigan in 2008. My point is, mistakes can happen on the final day. You just have to make sure you don’t rely on them happening or not.
Looking forward. Here’s a wish list:
John Terry getting slated in court – long ban
Carlos Tevez refusing to come back from holiday – frustration
Real Madrid buying that cunt Aguero – loyalty?
Barca buying Yaya for him to return to the bench there
Pogba to go to Juventus – GET RID OF HIM!
Cleverley and Ando to rediscover form of last August
Sign 2-3 top players who want to play for United!
Rent boys and City to get many red cards and injuries in the CS
Fletcher to return like he was pre 2010
Nani to grow up and become a consitent MAN!
Berba to get a good deal, he deserves it.
FFP to rule the Etihad “deal” wrong.
Vidic to return as good as he were.
All the papers to tip City for the PL and Chelsea for 2nd (We know better)
The United way is forward the past has gone
Onward and upward to the future don’t give the bitters an excuse to bleat .
Cedars
I think BPL is blood pressure medicine mate
I hope MU beat MC next season
Wow, I’m really surprised by the reactions to this nice little rant of Scott’s. Yes of course we don’t want to be ‘bitter’ like City were for so many years (although off hand I don’t recall City ever being deprived of a league title by wrong refereeing decisions over the last few decades), and yes of course United threw away the title through their own mistakes. But come on, we do need to keep up a constant war on ABU mythology, such as the widely held view that United ‘get all the decisions’. It’s at least arguable that this widespread belief, even among people who aren’t especially anti-United is precisely why so many decisions actually go against us, with refs terrified of being portrayed as ‘soft’ on United. It’s my view that we lost the title in 2010 because of the ref in the Chelsea games, and now it’s clear City got all the luck in crucial matches too. I don’t see any reason why Reds shouldn’t keep saying this, anything to even up perceptions. We need to keep rubbing it in that City had all the luck last season without even mentioning the question of respective injuries over the season.
Hear! Hear Giles Oakley!
Well said sir.
I should add that in the West Ham title decider in 1995, the ref ignored a blatant handball by a West Ham defender, as shown clearly in replays on Match of the Day (I was at the match so don’t know about Sky). If we’d got that penalty (and scored) the title would have been ours…
Here are som stats to think over:
and been Runners Up on 5 occassions – in 4 of those five Runners Up years they have lost the league by 1 point or less (goal diff this year).
Since the Premier League started (20 years ago) United have won it 12 times (obviously we know that
Over the past 40 years (since Racistpool began their period of league domination with the 1973 title), United have Won 12 Titles and been Runners Up on 8 occassions – racistpool have won 11 titles and been runners up on 9 occassions, settee have won 1 title and been runners up once – easy to see why our real long term rivalry has been with the scousers.
I’m with Giles… It doesn’t change the outcome last year… We can only put that right next year. City won it this year, fair and square, because we all know that what comes around goes around…
But it is useful to have some ammunition when we hear the usual crap that United get all their decisions. And it’s useful to highlight because if the refs themselves have the perception that we get all the decisions we get less of them go our way next year. I won’t be talking about it unless it gets brought up mind. We take our medicine…
We can make excuses all we like but what’s clear is that we handed Shitty the title with a complete lack of getting the job done in earlier games and Shitty got the title. It wont hurt for our players to feel that pain coz it should make them come back with the ‘that shit wont happen again’ attitude. Like I’ve said to my Shitty supporting mates, you didnt win it, we gifted it to you!!
It’s a very simple thing for me. If Tevez deserved to walk then he probably would have cost City the title. I’m not looking at this from a Red point of view but from the need for natural justice. It seems to me that in missing the Tevez elbow – which was right in front of the cunt – the linesman and Dean failed football. Tevez is forced to walk when he should be paying his dues in the biggest game of the season and AT THE VERY LEAST the world is returned to its proper axis where cunts are not rewarded for being cunts. The next day the bitter blue world would have rounded on the troll. He would have been choked on horse shit. Instead, the officals miss this key moment and . . . . we know the rest. What I want to know, which is why I’m even bothering to type this out: Why has Tevez not been retroactively charged. It fulfils the requirements to the letter – ref concedes he missed a red card offence etc. – but no sounds of a Tevez ban. The bastard will have left England anyway by the time the ban comes around, but, again, its the principle of the fucking thing. WHERE IS THE TEVEZ BAN?
Sir Giles
Not about diverting from the obvious ABU thing my friend but more of accepting the fact… We can dwell on every bad decision as long as we want, it will not change anything. Yes we had bad ones last season, yes ‘that’ Drogba goal at OT should never have stood, I guess we can make a big enough list for all we like but that changes nothing.
I do not mind fighting or arguing such facts at the time they occur, but dwelling back on them only makes it worse. Fact is we lost out at the end
please wake up . we did not deserve to win the title . we were 8 points clear at one point. we throw it away please wake up. wigan loss everton last 10 minutes to 4-4 draw that is not champions .fergie please spend some fucking money or it will happen again simple as that .
My disappointment is not with Man United its with the referre’s and assistants.
go back to the game against Newcastle at Old Trafford where a penalty was given.
thats just one example.
Man United will bounch back just like yesteryears.
from Ronnie Vengan in South Africa
Cedars, BPL is Barclay’s Premier League.
A ridiculous topic. I suppose I use this blog because it is really accessible but it’s a pity the themes are often so poor. Tribalism, anti glazer, blind support with no critique and pulling stats out of your arse to justify any type of failure. Of course if any City fan reads this you’ll have made their day but only you would care about that because I’m not into the ‘bitter’ rivalry as some people round here. Given our success down the years it’s hard to reciprocate that hatred.
Well, City should’ve had a penalty at 0-1 earlier on in that game and didn’t get it. It all evens out in one way or two.
We only have ourselves to blame for loosing this or the other title to Chelsea a few seasons ago!!!!
No shots at goal at Wastelands, no show at Wigan, home defeat to Blackburn, loosing 2 goal lead with 8 minutes to go against Everton…. have nothing to do with mike fucking Dean or any other referee for that matter!
Some small comfort, only to be mentioned among true reds. Nxt year we’ll have the bastards.
Only red….
shitty Deserve the league any team that beat us home and away convincingly have every right to win it and they did .8 clear and still nothing to show for it is no ref’s fault we can say it s young team that a in a earning curve and will do better nxt season and if we doing any catching up we dnt have to do anything defferent just let us not get beaten 6 at HOME next season
WHY ON EARTH WOULD CITY THINK THAT THEY ARE OUR BIGGEST RIVALS?
Is it because of the number of trophies won?
World Club Champions: UNITED 2 CITY 0
European Cup/Champions League Winners: UNITED 3 CITY 0
European Cup-Winners-Cup Winners: UNITED 1 CITY1
UEFA Super Cup Winners: UNITED 1 CITY 0
League Champions: UNITED 19 CITY 3
FA Cup Winners: UNITED 11 CITY 5
League Cup Winners: UNITED 4 CITY 2
Community Shield Winners: UNITED 19 CITY 3
Doubles: UNITED 2 CITY 0
Trebles: UNITED 1 CITY 0
FA Youth Cup Winners: UNITED 10 CITY 2
2nd Division Champions: UNITED 2 CITY 7
3rd Division Play-Off Winners: UNITED 0 CITY 1
Apart from their successes in the 2nd & 3rd Divisions, City come nowhere near United’s list of honours. Their honours list is quite frankly embarrassing.
Each time a United captain lifts the Premier League trophy, the chant ringing round the ground is “Are you watching Merseyside?”. No mention of City.
So maybe the Bitters would be better comparing themselves as rivals to a club with a similar list of honours won, maybe Sunderland or West Brom? In the meantime, if a newspaper article refers to United as City’s biggest rivals, just ask yourself why. Then laugh.
dont like these articles make us look as bad as the twats who spout shite about us
city won it fair and square 8 goals better
been to plenty of games where we have got lucky just the way it gos my friends
@the team that wouldn’t die.
#
Are you on drugs???
We didn’t lose this season on that poor decision from the Ref. We pissed it away all by ourselves. Sorry Scott, but this is one sour grape too many……
As giles said Tim breaker punched a corner if bruceys head – he was 3 yards out with an open goal – 4 mins from end in 95 – I thought I was only one that remembered it – brooking said on motd ” you would not want the title decided by a penalty” – what a cunt
LA Red
Out of 38 games we achieved 28 wins and 5 draws, the same as city.
We did NOT piss the League away.
We are always told by the ABU that many of our 19 titles relied on the Ref. The next time you are told that, you can counter the claim by reminding the twit that this year city repeatedly got the benefit of referee decisions.
Thanks Scott the Red, for these grapes of wrath.
I never pay any attention to these stats and thats because if decisions change, then the entire game changes. For example, I was extremely angry when Drogba got away with that MILE offside in 2010 when we lost the league, but at the same time, if drogba didnt score, then the preceding events would have unfolded differently too which means Macheda most likely wouldn’t have scored either. Yes it would have made the game more interesting if Chelsea were just a goal ahead, but there’s no guarantee that we’d have gotten a draw or a win.
Same with QPR. Without Barton on the field they managed to score even though they were a man down. If they still had 11 on the pitch they might not have even tried, and even if they did, the City defenders might not have pushed as high as they did. Of course if I could go back and have it so that Tevez would have seen red too, then that’d be fine by me to see what difference it would make to the outcome, but its nowhere near a given that we’d have won the league.
There is cause and effect in the Universe