Gary Cahill has a fractured jaw and so has been ruled out of the England squad for Euro 2012. Liverpool’s Martin Kelly has been called up in his place.
Rio Ferdinand, who enjoyed a great season for United, was left out of the initial squad because of “footballing reasons”, according to Roy Hodgson. Nothing to do with the fact John Terry allegedly racially abused Rio’s brother and Hodgson feared disruption in the camp. Rather than getting rid of the poisonous element though, Rio was the one punished, just as Wayne Bridge was in 2010 after Terry slept with the mother of his child.
For Hodgson to include Kelly in the squad, who started just 12 league games for the 8th best team in the country, makes a mockery of his initial excuse for leaving Rio out. Appears as though our defender feels the same way…
“I selected John Terry for footballing reasons and I left out Rio Ferdinand for footballing reasons,” Hodgson said last month. “I’ve spoken to both of them of course. I had to do that. In the last couple of days I’ve spoken to both of them and explained to them why I’ve come to the decision. He [Rio] was obviously disappointed. I’d be surprised had he not been. He was very gracious and he wished myself and the team the very best of luck in the tournament.”
From a United perspective, it is good to know that Rio will get a summer off, as he will be fresher for next season. Nemanja Vidic has said he hopes to be back for the first game but after eight months away from football, it will obviously take time for him to get to full fitness.
Rio played 38 games for United this season which is the highest amount since 2008-2009 when he played 43. Not going to the Euros will mean he is in better condition for our campaign. This obviously doesn’t change the fact that he should be in the squad and Hodgson has been exposed as a liar for claiming that it was simply footballing reasons that kept him away from the team. Is there any other manager in the world who would rather have Martin Kelly in reserve than Rio Ferdinand? Not a chance.
Rio Ferdinand’s representative, Jamie Moralee, has accused Hodgson of “a total lack of respect”. He adds: “Lampard, Terry, Barry and Gerrard are all ageing but they go to the tournament. Why is Rio different? To treat a player that’s served country 81 times like this is nothing short of disgraceful.” Why aren’t the others treated like this? Terry didn’t allegedly racially abuse any of their brothers, obviously.
What a fucking joke!! Fucking Kelly!! Shocking!!
This is getting ridiculous. First Carrick and now Rio being overlooked for very average Liverpool players. Ingurland deserve everything that happens to them
Four reasons.
Welbeck, Jones, Young, Rooney.
Even four is much more than the ABU can accept.
Asked this on the other thread, who the fuck is Martin Kelly? Seriously?
We need a fresh Rio for next season. So enjoy summer Rio and fuck the rest.
6th fool player. Seriously its a joke. Poor smalling misses out coz of injury.
Our Four Players representing England are all class and Hodgson cannot do without them. In Fact these are the players who are saving his face at the moment. Considering the amount of Liverpool players called by Roy , it shows that he is not well prepared to coach England since he called those players he worked with during his Liverpool Stint. He left out many valubale Players out. To tell the truth i tought that Knocesky and Zamora were going to be called as well, but thank god for England ,No.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1206682-manchester-united-transfer-news-red-devils-sign-crewe-striker-nick-powell?
Some good news. Looks like we have signed powell
Wow, United announce a signing on BleacherReport.com?
Roy is definitely banging on a complete failure at the Euros so that he can get sacked and get paid the compensation, as well as pin the blame on Liverpool players. 2 birds with a stone =p
martin kelly the actor??? O_O
Fred
It has been reported on crew chronicle so may be reliable.
Micah Richards snubbed as well. In Woy’s wacky world:
1st choice RB for the champions < 2nd choice RB for the 8th placed team
Lost all respect that was left for Woy.
What an utter cunt.
Kelly haha, could think a few English defenders that deserve the call up! Richards? Rio? Walker? Caulkner? King? Dawson? Gibbs? Simpson? Warnock? (called up a few times before)
Same applies to Henderson!! really Henderson? What about Carrick, Scholes, Nathan Dyer, Scott Sinclair, Cleverley, Osman? (worth a call up), Cattermole, Lennon,
Absolute joke how we have at least 6 players in the team who have either been injured for most part of the season , have featured in only a few games or have been in bad form – noteably Johnson, Henderson, Kelly, Butland and Downing.
Should have Paul Robinson, Michah Richards, Ferdinand, Scholes, Carrick/Lennon instead.
Dis is jst a fucking shit…who dha fuck is martin kelly…. Hodgson WTf
Ash – crewe chronicle only says that a fee was agreed. nothing about signing.
Seriously, glad he is getting a longer break this summer. He, hopefully, still has one or two big seasons left at United. Fuck Woy, fuck Ingerlund, fuck Terry, fuck Kelly (who?)….
Okay Cedars
Both Uncle Woy and Dalglish fathered Martin Kelly
Don’t ask me how though
Uncle Woy for England!
Oh wait.
Uncle Woy Jones and The Temple of English Doom
Uncle Woy and the Kingdom of the Dumb Skulls
Have we sacked Fergie yet?? All these clubs signing up young managers is making me jealous
Forget Uncle Buck
We have Uncle Woy
Sack Fergie sign Andy Townsend
MG
I will no longer ask!!
I thought Hodgson was one of the good guys.
But I don’t think we can completely blame him also. Just like the team sheet is handed out by the owners at Chelsea and City, the team sheet for England is handed out by the F.A. This is a fairly known secret. And just like the F.A. is a collection of all the corporate footballing cunts, the English National team is a collection of all the football playing cunts in England (minus the United players of course).
Last year, it became obvious that the League is completely biased against Manchester United with the bans for Rooney and Sir Alex. This year it has become completely clear that the F.A. is against United players playing for England with the team selections.
I say, every United player should follow Carrick’s lead. Retire from England altogether and have fun at the islands.
How the F*** did Uncle Woy mess up with Liverpool when he loves them so much
Or Sack Fergie sign Michelle Mone
“Footballing reasons” Well at least its less likely Rio will injure himself and be unavailable to start the season with United fit and firing.
Ridiculous! But good for Sweden
Cedars
Michelle Mone would be a brilliant United manager – especially if she gets Lingerie models to do shows whilst the opposition are trying to score
I’ve nothing against Martin Kelly (think he has big potential if he ever becomes truly fit) but England are asking for it. That so many good players are being ignored (not just United players) while players of mediocre calibre are being picked ahead of them speaks volumes about the lack of ambition of the England football team. If the stats from yesterday’s game are anything to go by then England are facing a potential nightmare in the Euros.
If I was top non-white English player, in the squad or not, after today I would not play for Woy Hodgson!!!!
Okay time to put it straight
Rio has been left out because he’s Anton’s brother and it’s a shit situation which when given a choice it’s Terry than Rio
I’m all for chelsea winning the Cl but to think that Terry just wanted it all for himself shows him up for what he is
He is a cynical human being bereft of emotion dignity and class – the fact that the CL final was won by other’s and he had fuck all to do with it shows the genuine stupidity of the man.
And he got picked as a player when he’s not even captain. That’s the funny bit if there was one
John Terry
Dad of the year
God forbid what chance the rest of us have if he’s the barometer
MG
Terry – Man of the century
Cedars
Captain Leader Legend
Man of the Universe!
Disgrace . Absolute Disgrace.
MG
But he slipped, he fucking slipped and cried!!!
If no Rio then atleast get Richards , who has been very unlucky
If no Rio then atleast get Richards , who has been very unlucky.
I hope SAF knows that Ronaldinho is a free agent
The English FA disgust the fucking day lights out of me
My main concern is that our lads return to United injury free from that shower of shit that is Ingerlund.
Cedars
Yes he did but that was a long time ago – this time he changed into his kit from a suit to be paraded with a trophy he had no hand in winning
I’m glad Lampard took it off him or else it could have been worse
Kings
Fucking spot on
CedarsDevil – Thanks my friend. Fuck off Ingerlund and fuck off woy.
Fucking racist Terry over Rio had me mental, fucking corrupt and fucked up FA……….Uncle woy is just another yes man by the looks of things
So allegedly sleeping with someones ex is wrong? Something both parties denied. We all know the news papers are always right.
Rio is 34 and there is no point in playing him if he will not be available for the world cup in 2014.
it is very doubtful he will still be paying at a high standard then.
Time to look to the future!
Rio is a liability and Terry can defend better, is a better captain and scores more goals. Terry hasn’t killed anyone or done anyhing worse than say Ryan Giggs for example. His case against the other ugly Ferdinand hasn’t been heard yet and Roy has had to make a choice. It’s a football decision and therefore a no brainer…………….Terry every time.
I feel sorry for Rio but he is the one who wouldn’t shake hands. Roy couldn’t let that atmosphere develop.
MG
Forza John Terry
Is there a possibility that SAF called Hodgson and asked him not to select those two so that they get the summer off? Any thoughts, anyone?
This England set up just keeps getting better and better.
Truth be told, I thought that Belgian little pole smoker deserved further reprimand than a yellow for his act on Cahill. Knew exactly what he was doing, very malicious with plenty of intent and in a fucking friendly of all things. Could’ve sent both Cahill and Hart packing. I’ve nothing against Cahill, think he’s a pub player in comparison to Ferdinand and that Bolton bent the Russian Mob over on that transfer but still wish him a speedy recovery.
Ferdinand and Carrick snubbed? Laughter doesn’t do enough justice to that mockery. The FA are a bloody joke and it doesn’t take a Footie Knight to get that one sorted.
@ Saad
As logical as that sounds, sadly, we can’t be giving them that kind of credit.
Roy told Carrick a while back that he wasn’t part of his plans. The fact that injuries have changed that, well, tough shit. I applaud Carrick for sticking to his “fuck you.” The fact Ferdinand’s upset he wasn’t called up just leads me further to speculate that he feels this may be his last kick at the England can.
Kings nails it. Rio rest, drink get layed. Come back refresed for the fight to start. Hum anyone know anyone who knows somebody that has a cousin on the cleaning crew in Old Traffords office to get a copy of SAF LIST?
if ferdinand got called up as cover it would be more of an insult cause woy would leave him on the bench.let kelly warm the bench hes used to it.
Just watching England is embarrassing. The showers of fucking praise that cunt CLLC recieves is appauling. Brave hearted this, and strong leader that. Fuck off. Just once I’d like a commentator to show a little back bone. “John Terry with a header away, useles cunt that he is, shags mates’ wives, undermines managers, scum bag family, but the ball’s been cleared.” 90 minutes of anything involving that waste of oxygen is unbearable.
Only gave a flying fuck about the English national side when Robbo was captain
Is everyone Fucking Stupid? It is obviously due to footballing reasons!! John Terry is a racist cunt, John Terry racially abused a fellow internationals brother. John Terry plays football for the FA! The FA have no morals and no balls!!! Therefore, footballing reasons!! Simple. All we can do gents is laugh! Laugh at the pathetic excuse of a governing body that ru(i)ns our game! Laugh as we get outclassed in every department on and off the pitch as the Liverpool and London contingent get praised for “battling”! Like kings says, just come back safe reds.
ididnotzeeit
But Terry is a Lion Heart mate!!!
HAHA just goes to show how sad the whole English set up is
I find this quite amusing 
*deluded*
Mike
You fucking beauty
This is shocking. How Jay Spearing wasn’t called up boggles the mind.
Big deal, think of the training ground battle for the CB pairing. Capt. Vida is back. Evans and Rio were strong the last 3rd of the year. Smalling a year bigger, older, smarter, hungerier. Then Jones fresh from the Euros? Wow WTF BATTLE ROYAL!!
Roy was asked who he’d rather have in the squad wen it was obvious Rio and terry couldn’t be on the same man,the shameless ex liverpool man went with the racist,Roy is at play here.seriosuly i got nothing with Rio being patriotic but he should just let go
Cubs- thats before half of them get injured again -.-
the fact that Terry’s trial can wait till after the Euros tells you all you need to know about the FA and what is really going on.
I hope england get knocked out early, the national side has become chelsea and liverpool mixed into one…..
united.george
That is a disgusting thought my friend
This is Woy’s revenge on the dippers. Select as many of their players as possible and then watch them make cunts of themselves in front of the whole World. The next injury, and Carragher will be called up regardless of position. By time Wazza’s available, they’ll be on the way home hopefully and we’ll have a fully fit squad ready to reclaim our crown.
Welbeck to grow in front of our eyes. He seems more relaxed. When this lad becomes a man at 24 or so LOOK THE FUCK OUT! 37 GOALS 16 ASSISTS GREAT DEFFENDER ON SET PLAYS!
Northwalesred
Amen to that
The fact Tom Huddlestone isn’t rounding out this squad is baffling
Same side*
Drogba is gone
AntiSouser stealing my Jay Spearing joke. Tut tut.
When the US start to develope dribblers of balls with feet not hand. Many, many, many Drogba and Danny type of players. Think of the courage and skill of a NFL conner back and a NBA 2 gaurd!?!
You’d think he’d at least consider Smalling ahead of Kelly.
Oh wait, Smalling’s a united player. Can’t have those around.
WillieRedNut it’s too funny to not be stolen
I’m talking about Spearing by the way, not the joke!
Sid29, Smalling’s in the team already?
Cedars – how are you doing? everything ok in Beirut? I keep reading that things are getting a bit crazy.
Anyway, go Lebanon today….match starts in an hour.
Look at cubs showing off with his new 4G phone? Who does he think he is, Zibbie?
Wofie my Northern Irish mate. So good to see your type.
united.george
Things are shit over here buddy!! Go Lebanon indeed, over an hour to kick off
I wish I could use Zibbie. But with all the counterfit names I get it. KAWABUNGA DUDE!! :-*
What a bloody farce even the England fans must be disgusted,the biggest joke is have all kinds of racist problems in Poland and the Ukraine aren’t these Euros supposed to be about stamping out racism and England are taking a player who goes on trail for racism when he gets back.
Rio should have been in the squad from the beginning and is been left out to protect a racist cunt,just shocking.
Every Englishman should be appalled and embarrassed by what’s taking place
Basically Richards and rio would clearly be much more suitable options ,however both players are black so are obviously and rightly riled up that the Fa are covering our leader and legends arse at the expense of a couple of black quality players I’m livid I want to run a kitten over at the thought that the most racist man in football and somebody as shit as Kelly would be accepted it disgusts me that players are being selected by the colour of their skin !!
Rio should have retired from this mob a year ago.
And that’s 6 Liverpool players in the squad now isn’t it? City and United have 7 in total. FFS.
hey Cedars! Robbo’s playing later against the Madrid legends. I guess it will be my first and last time to see him play.
I cant believe this decision shocking!!!
Micah richards & Rio Ferdinand should both be in this squad.
Johnson was rubbish yesterday they seriously need richards in the RB spot. Rio should have the CB spot to hes had a solid season!
Woy has no clue what so ever!!
The call up was spot on…MARTIN KELLY is a better defender than Rio and has played more often this season. Also fitness wise is not a flipping liability and can also play right.
Great Call Woy ! But still a few off a clean sweep !
Matt Jarvis over Young
Sturridge Over Welbeck
Crouch/Holt Over Rooney
Richards Over Jones.
England should field;
Green
Johnson Kelly Jags Baines
Henderson Gerrard Spearing
Shelvey Downing
Caroll
Breaking News: Owen Hargreaves has been called up to the England team after being seen doing a fitness program with a Liverpool shirt on.
Red Fury
Sad in a way, but I am happy for you seeing our legend in action……..Sad that you never watched him in his prime
BREAKING NEWS: Roy Hodgson calls up Charlie Adam, Pepe Reina, Kevin Keegan, Sami Hyypia, Ringo Starr and the entire cast of Brookside.
Cubs – Alright mate? Im posting from a phone too. Happy kawabunga day!
For footballing reasons:
Jamie Carragher, Jay Spearing and Jonjo Shelvey are on standby just in case Jones,Welbeck and Parker struggle for fitness.
Glen Johnson has a toe injury, so the medical team has been fired swiftly.
Downing and Henderson will be key for England in the European Championships.
Providing Hodgson can keep them both on the fucking bench England might have a chance.
Brigadier
Forza Liverpool FC
They cast him out with vengeance yet Uncle Woy goes back to the ones that disowned him.
This Summer
Uncle Woy Jones and The Raiders of The Lost Big Team
Watson – Brookside –
Willie it seems this cubs thinks he’s Zibbie for some reason – wonder why?…
god…Hodgeson’s team is fast turning into a fucking farce…….
but at least Rio and Carrick might be joining Becks in going for Olympic gold…….
TonyBee
You never fail to make me piss my self
Bernstein: Awight Woy, just heard Cahill’s out of the Euros. What you gonna do?
Hodgson: I’m gonna bring in Martin Kelly.
Bernstein: Martin Kelly? Oh yeah I remember him. Used to be on Stars in their Eyes. Good choice,
no controversy there. Right colour and everything, you’re playing a blinder Woy.
Hodgson: Yeah I thought so, got enough of them Mancs upsetting Stevie Me and JT
as it, without any more.
If Uncle Woy was a woman he’d be Auntie Coy
Kenny Dalglish is awaiting the call from the FA to replace RedNev.
I tried to post under zibbie we will see.
MG –
Edwin Van Der Sar; Lee Martin, Johnsen, Dublin, Irwin; Blomqvist, Yorke, Fortune, Sharpe; Teddy Cole
start !
Papii any links?
Somewhat cared about Ingurlund when Becks was captain.
BREAKING NEWS:
It is being reported from Cedars daily that super Agent Cedars & Mike Illustrated Kelly have reached an agreement over the transfer of FLYING FUCK!
Flying fuck is said to be a product of the F.A (Fucker’s academy) which has previously given humble legends like Terry the fucking cunt and Gerrard the diving cunt!
Flying fuck’s dad is apparently based out of Lebanon but is said to be a Cedars United supporter. On his transfer, Flying fuck added -
“I’m absolutely delighted to sign for Cedars United! It is through my agent Cedars the chauffeur that I came to know how ever body loves calling my name whenever there is a high pressure situation involving Cedars United or Ingurland Another reason that lured me towards signing the deal was my Idol RVP who apparently doesn’t give a flying fuck about celebrating in an orgasmic way at the bridge! I hope to emulate him and learn to grow my tool so that I can indeed fly and fuck people at the same time.”
As we write this, super Agent Cedars is said to be in talks with another young prodigy FUNNY AS FUCK who is said to be a cousin of thug master Andy Carroll!
MG -
i’ll post a link as soon as my mate posts it on MSN. 7 mins till kick off
Thanks Papii
This Summer
The Red Knight Rises
Coming to a football pitch near you
And, fuck off Roy Hodgson with all the footballing reasons up your arse! Don’t understand why Gary Neville joined this hilarious mob. We need you at United son, not among those bunch of no mark cunts. Rio should take a note from Carrick and retire with immediate effect. Can’t see him being treated like this anymore.
@ MG
Good evening buddy. How are Gill cameras treating ya?
Cedars me darling ….. its my pleasure
Right, so WTF is Martin Kelly? Surely not that lumbering pub player who’s so inept he can’t even keep Glen thing out of the 2nd best team in Liverpool?
Do we really want United players wasting their time with England?
I’ve no time for cittee but how can Kelly – or Johnson – be better than Micah Richards?
And wouldn’t Jimmy Tarbuck or even Lisa Tarbuck been natural replacements for Fat Frank? Same shape, just as clueless.
Sorry MG can’t find any links
it’s laughable to say the least with regards to england, rio’s omission is baffling given what he brings to the fore, has a united fan i always feel he brings that composure to the back 4. i feel he may have lost a couple of yards but is postional play is still there, he’s a charcter off the pitch too.
Evening reds around the world,
Roy Hodgson will be fired by RedNev for bringing in fuck all Liverpool players..
anyway enough with this England shit..
Heard Hummels signed a 3 year deal?
Utd starting XI: Edwin VDS; Lee Martin, Johnsen, Dublin, Irwin; Blomqvist, Yorke, Fortune Sharpe; Sheringham & Cole.
Madrid starting XI: Boyo, Chendo, R Carlos, Hierro, Sanchis, Zidane, Redondo, Butragueno, Morientes, M Vazquez & Figo.
http://www.vipbox.tv/sports/football.html
plenty ….of football links
Lebanon v Qatar
I fancy our chances against that mob.
real madrid vets v utd vets
Here is the link for this legends game..
Kick off in 10 minutes.,.
http://atdhenet.tv/47570/watch-real-madrid-legends-vs-manchester-united-legends
This is the big one, fellas. COME ON UNITED!
TonyBee – Winner plays Vietnam vets in the final.
Pierluigi Collina is the man in the middle
Michah Richards ruled himself out. Had he agreed to be on the reserve list and go to Norway he would have been in the squad now, but he didn’t want to do so unless he was a guaranteed first pick.
Feel sorry for Rio though as not to do with football despite what Roy says.
I personally think Martin Kelly will be great when he plays , his had a good season for Liverpool and his better then smalling by miles and his also better then Jones , Jones was good the first 8 games then he became average , don’t make me laugh carrick he wudnt get in the Newcastle team come on England !!!!!
Fab Muamba is there!
Zidane hasn’t changed a bit – he’s still a bastard!
Great turnout for the game, as you’d expect.
Surreal seeing Edwin Van Der Sar back in a United shirt.
Albie the kitman identified as Bryan Robson by the Spanish director.
Dipper twat scores for Los Merengues. He’s put on about 10 stone. VDS should have done better.
Expect a reply now..
contains plenty players from 99 team and they know how to come back..
Sharpe equalises! The Sharpie Shuffle! Fantastic footwork by Andy Cole to tee him up.
There you go
United beginning to fizz…
Amazing goal from Luis Figo! 2-1 Madrid! This is great value entertainment.
http://www.lshunter.tv/streams/1/lsh2.html LINK FOR THE GAME
what a bloody goal by Figo
and Van Der Sar has lost some weight!!!
##
Fred,
Indeed great footwork by Andy..
###
we can expect another goal by us now
Surely the Daily Fail will now start reporting that we will sign Luis Figo!
End to end stuff this!
The vets team is better than the shite we have watched for the last 3 yrs. fergie says he is not spending 72 mill on players we no that because he has not got 72 p never mind 72 mill.I fucking hate the yankee scum
This certainly isn’t being played at testimonial pace – cracking stuff!
No exaggeration there from Pritch. Our boys mean business today!
Watching ‘remembering ronaldo’ on mutv. Miss that lad. Legend. Viva ronaldo – he plays on the left, he plays on the riiiiight…
I’d say let’s sign Roberto Carlos to give some competition at LB to Evra, let’s sign Zidane for midfield and Figo for some stardust quality!
First sight of Jesper Blomqvist there – nice volley from the Swede.
The Ingerlund comedy show gets funnier by the day. It really is hilarious and Ingerlund are gonna look very foolish out in Poland. As if Henderson and Carrol weren’t bad enough they now call up Vernon Kay’s lookalike. God I cannot wait for the humiliation. Having said that the other teams haven’t pulled any trees up. Italy hammered and Portugal beaten. Obviously Spain and Germany and Holland will be the favourites but I can just see a side from leftfield winning it. Hope to god it isn’t Ingerlund
Gonna watch Brazil V Mexico at 8pm.
Madrid almost caught us on the hop there. Edwin saves from Zidane…
Figo with another sight of goal, blazes over the crossbar – high, wide and handsome.
Zidane :0
Lee Martin looks every inch the bloke down the pub!
Roberto Carlos with one of his trademark wild shots that goes nowhere near the goal.
Madrid beginning to turn the screw. Our engine room needs to get a foothold in the game.
Fantastic save from Big Edwin denies Madrid a goal from a lightning fast counter attack…
Ronny Johnsen hasn’t aged a day since we last saw him in a red shirt.
prasan
Very well mate – It’s all in Digital HD 3D Sony 4K at the moment
Papii – don’t worry mate
Becks shouldve played this game ,giggs n scholes too
Dissapointing not to see Keane and Stam turn out for us today, seeing as how they were both playing in the Soccer Aid match a week ago.
@ MG
Keep capturing mate…you never know when you run into Cedars shagging our latest signing Flying fuck!
Lee Martin put us under unnecessary pressure there with a very loose pass in the right-back position. Roberto Carlos wastes a free kick from 20 yards out…
Madrid dominating in terms of possession and chances created – but United are still in this, make no mistake.
Heroic defending from our boys here – top drawer!
Our midfield can’t buy a touch of the ball at the moment…
I’d like to see a replay of that offside call on Andy Cole just now.
Looked very close – I hope they haven’t bought the officials!
Old man coming on now
United fashion a chance; Yorke feeding Fortune down the left, but the former Atletico man’s cross was blazed over by Lee Sharpe.
Nice play
Quinton showing more in this first 40 minutes than he did in his 7 years at United. A real thorn in Madrid’s side here.
Frreeeekick
Teddy Sheringham really needs to step up to the plate imho.
Tedddddyyy noooo
Sheringham misses a free header, 2 yards out! Oh Teddy, Teddy… that was atrocious.
Cedars is dating flying fuck?
How did he manage to pull that one off?
The game has a familiar ring to it – midfield problems
You have to say that was a gilt-edged chance for the former Tottenham man.
Fortune tripped in the box as he goes through on goal! Collina says no penalty! Scandalous!
Blomqvist playing good and pen any1?
Standing ovation from the Madridistas for the participants here. It’s been a cracking 45 minutes!
HT
Vidic – certainly a penalty. The defender stuck his leg out and blatantly tripped Fortune after the South African had gone past him. Collina is on the Madrid payroll, there can be no doubt about that. Those two offside calls on Andy Cole looked dubious to me as well, but we weren’t afforded the benefit of an instant replay on either occasion. There’s definitely a conspiracy afoot…
@ MG
Haha…certainly he’s bagged a beauty! Got this news from Cedars daily! Read my post a bit above and you’ll get an idea how his profession of being an agent got him into this relationship! Oh, how these agents are ruining the game!
Fred – Do you know who is on the bench m8?
prasan
Tell me about it
@ MG
Just for you my friend!
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BREAKING NEWS:
It is being reported from Cedars daily that super Agent Cedars & Mike Illustrated Kelly have reached an agreement over the transfer of FLYING FUCK!
Flying fuck is said to be a product of the F.A (Fucker’s academy) which has previously given humble legends like Terry the fucking cunt and Gerrard the diving cunt!
Flying fuck’s dad is apparently based out of Lebanon but is said to be a Cedars United supporter. On his transfer, Flying fuck added -
“I’m absolutely delighted to sign for Cedars United! It is through my agent Cedars the chauffeur that I came to know how ever body loves calling my name whenever there is a high pressure situation involving Cedars United or Ingurland Another reason that lured me towards signing the deal was my Idol RVP who apparently doesn’t give a flying fuck about celebrating in an orgasmic way at the bridge! I hope to emulate him and learn to grow my tool so that I can indeed fly and fuck people at the same time.”
As we write this, super Agent Cedars is said to be in talks with another young prodigy FUNNY AS FUCK who is said to be a cousin of thug master Andy Carroll!
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Vidic – going off the squad Papii posted earlier, I believe our bench consists of Rai Van Der Gouw, Clayton Blackmore, Mickey Thomas and Bryan Robson.
Thanks Fred
Hodgsons a bastard
Tony Bee is a funny bastard…always has been lol
And lets sign Zizou
Second half underway…
Close one
We have a new referee. Very rum…
prasan
As long as Cedars doesn’t meet SAD AS FUCK we’ll be fine
Cole nice shot
Yes, nice shot from Andy Cole there.
Blomqvist threads a ball through to Cole, just too much purchase on the pass…
Would’ve liked to seen Brazillian Ronaldo for RM and Giggs , Scholes , Becks , Keano Staam and Butt
WOW,
Roy Hodgson – A Cunt of the most cuntish nature, CONFIRMED!,
Cole has the ball in the net, clearly offside though.
Offside goal and off the bar dor RM
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh
@ MG
Hahaha…might be the case if Lebanon lose against Qatar!
Our Cedars is all nationalistic these days! 
On another note, how the fuck do you make that emoticon? 
Sheringham’s stooping header turned over the bar! Great play from United there.
Save by edwin
My goodness that was a fierce shot from Figo there, batted away by Van Der Sar.
STeddy Teddy Tedyy
Cole just teed up Sheringham, but Teddy couldn’t get enough power in his shot. This is cracking stuff!
Have Teddy and Coley patched things up after all these years…..im looking forward to the end of the game….maybe a handshake and a smile lads please
Freekick on the edge
Free kick for absolutely nothing to Madrid, right on the edge of the box!
Edwun
Save
Zizzou
Justice is done as Edwin saves Zidane’s free kick.
Clayton Blackmore about to come on. Looking very tanned, as always.
Oooh Teddy milimetres
Van der Gouw replacing Edwin…
“Woy did promise to get Liverpool back in Europe. Not sure this is what anyone expected though”
Nooo Edwin don’t go
Woy did promise to get Liverpool back in Europe. Not sure this is what anyone expected though
This is GREAT news. We need RIO fit again next season. Fuck Ingurland!
Santillana, all of 59 years old, departs for Madrid. What a strike that was from him that hit the bar earlier.
Nice reception for Van der Sar as he leaves the field.
SAVE
Blackmore on for Lee Sharpe.
Brilliant save from Van der Gouw to deny Figo!
I’m proud Cedars love Lebanon – especially the food
To do this
you need to put : l o l : all together without spaces
ALWAYS liked Rai Van der Gouw. He was the perfect number 2 (take note, Tomasz Kuszczak!)
Penaltyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyuuuuyyy
Dive lol
PENALTY TO UNITED! Yorke brought down, but it looked a dive to me.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Sheringham misses the penalty, his follow up is saved, and he blazes a third chance over the bar! Amazing.
Why Teddy why ?
@ MG
Lol that was quite tough! Thanks for the enlightenment my friend!
As for Lebanon, Cedars only loves the Lebanese women’s football team and the babes! The food takes a backseat always!
We lost
I thought Sheringham was taken off penalty duties after he missed his first two penalties for us.
Redondo scores for Madrid. 3-1.
That penalty should have been taken by none other than Denis Irwin.
Mazy run by Dwight Yorke…
Blomqvist with a Bebe-esque cross.
Fred
Spot on m8
(mind the pun)
Well at least Blomqvist has ditched the dreadlocks.
Fucking disgusting treatment of one of the best role models in the game. Hodgson is a complete hypocrite citing footballing reasons. The fa must have said its Terry or Rio your not taking both. I’m not having that g nev opted for fucking Kelly 12 games for an 8th
Place team. Henderson over Carrick now we all know hodgson was brought in to be the suits bum boy. Fuck me give me that cunt redknapp everyday of this mug. I’m embarrassed at our national side and everything it stands for.
I hope that idiot feedthellama is reading this.
Mind it? I loved it.
Andy Cole hasn’t missed a step today. Great performance by him.
VDS signing autographs
Van der Sar, a class act signing autographs for the Madridistas.
Denis Irwin wastes a free-kick. That’s not like him.
No problem prasan!
I hope SAF was watching this – the excuse of no value in the market has led Manchester United to lose to Madrid!
And it’s his fault the penalty was missed!
Sack him get Martinez and Di Matteo in
Robbo7 is on
Mickey Thomas on for Lee Martin.
Bryan Robson on for Blomqvist.
Yes Teddy get in
Sheringham pulls one back! A delightful little dink over the keeper!
Back in this 3-2
It’s been a joy to watch these stars of yesteryear.
@ MG
I’d propose Neil Warnock to replace him then!
Zizzou off
(clap clap)
Zidane doesn’t last the 90 minutes. Lightweight!
Chicharito starts for mexico v brazil….
Miss by RM :0
Our boys defending manfully to the last.
Commentator: “Don’t tell these players this is not meaningless, because it is”
COME ON REDS!
Corner kick, last minute!
Can United score? They ALWAYS score..
Perhaps it is that scum bag terry that picks the team . 8 players from the 8th best team in country lets hope they end up 8th disgusting treatment of a world class player by a world classless manager
Finished 3-2 to Real Madrid \m/
Ref lets Real off the hook
Great game. Well done to everyone who took part, United and Madrid.
That was a cracker. Hope everyone enjoyed my commentary.
Now for the cigarette after the sex: Brazil v Mexico.
I just came across a link that Roy Hodgson had scouted Eden Hazard as a potential signing for them while he was the Liverpool boss! Does that mean Eden is in the same league as Martin Kelly, Hendershitson, Carroll the thug, Gerrard 5fcuk and Terry the cunt?
Watching the Brazil v Mexico game ,Hernandez looking lively
Fred / vidic
Don’t want to sound like a whinging old cunt but I can read the posts about the topic due to your extensive commentary.
The only thing that England team needs right now is Suarez.
Sorry pal, got carried away watching some United greats of yesteryear pull on the red shirt one last time. Back to Roy Hodgson and Ingerlund…
Fred
I am officially negating the task of watching Neymar over to you
That’s if he’s playing
Scout away Fred!
prasan
He’s associated with leeds – Cedars ain’t going to like it
Geovanni Dos Santos
Take A Bow Son
Mexico 1-0 Brazil
Sell United sign United yesteryear
No value in the market and all
SAF:
No doubt about that MG
Neymar is awsome
His feet are too quick
@ MG
I see…but Issa Cedars loves leeds no?
It’s great then that I suggested a new moniker for him the other day given his love for leeds, How about Cedarssheep or Cedarslovessheepshagging for starters? 
That Cunt Terry Should be no where near That England team, It should be Rio
Football reasons my Arse……………….God knows what Hold Terry the Cunt has over FA !!
As a Person, a Player, Rio is by far Outstanding in both fields………..if the Call ever did come for Rio
I say Fuck em.
Just want to Add Terry is a Cunt of the highest Order.
Manchester United have signed all of Manchester United’s retired players.
SAF: They will add to the team no doubt about that, can’t wait to see Sir Bobby and Robbo line up in the midfield again – with so many options United will bounce back next year.
David Gill: With Sony digital cameras we can represent the United past in glorious digital colour never ever seen before.
MG is awesome
His typing speed is too quick! An ideal signing for United and stardust quality as well!
@ MG
Hahahahaha…had me in splits that one!
With that amount of Scousers in the national team I say we (sweden) has the stronger team, That can´t be good. We are always winning against England when we are considered the underdogs (practically all international caps since the 60´).
Gio Dos Santos – class for Barcelona, class for Mexico, ‘Arry Redknapp thought he was fackin’ shit and loaned him to Ipswich Town.
Penalty to Mexico…
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL
CHICHAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
prasan
Easy fella – one does not wish to see the dark side of the Devil Cedars
Disturbance in the balance of the force I shall see not. Devil is the Cedars of the good kind is he.
Its a sad state of affairs.. I personally dont think Rio has had a great season.. However hes been consistently keeping injury at bay.. And can add a lot of character to the camp. Poor Rio but hopefully good for us. I think the only thing is is that the real reason have come out.
Penalty to Mexico
New blog post incoming…
Hernandez with a penalty for mexico….2-0 now
Hernandez SCORES A PENALTY AGAINST BRAZIL
prasan wait till I finish with my Busby Babes screenplay
One day.
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Hernandez has a great record for Mexico
Vidic – 25 goals in 36 games I make it. Phenomenal.
Where the bloody hell is my prospect Neymar!
Why Neymar why?
@ MG
No, I completely understand what you are trying to imply here which is why I think then we should move to Mike the City loving Kelly! Wait, with Martin Kelly’s England inclusion, I bet Mike has switched his allegiance to Liverpool the scum now!
Great to hear that our dear Chicharito scored! Thanks for all these updates Fred. I have been trying to ruin the thread as much as I can but at least some are keeping sanity in check!
Stalker on the prowl again………
There’s some cracking stuff on here today.
1 bloke says Smalling should be called up, another reckons he’s in the squad already. Are you actually United fans, how can you not know what the situation with him is?
Someone else says Richards and Rio aren’t picked because they are black?? Do you actually believe the shit you write?
Embarrassing frankly.
@ Willie
Red nutter on the android again is it?
andy
Not as embarrassing as a non Manchester United fan on a Manchester United blog wanting attention
We are plastic fans living the big time
Or was it robotic?
Or was it Avatar?
Bad news, the sons of the cedars lost 1-0 to Qatar.
@ MG
Is it polemic by any chance?
Good for united absolutely incredible by England once again. I don’t know how you justify having Terry in your defense if you can avoid it. Such a slow player. Silly silly Rio prime for something like this.
@ Fred
Expect a fired up Cedars to return then my friend! I just hope there is a post by Moses or lufcwhite and then the real fun would begin or fireworks shall I say!
Although, I do feel for him, anybody got a nice Robbo compilation to cheer our dear Cedars?
Fred
Nooooooooooo! The sons of Cedars how could you do that to Dad!
prasan
It’s always polemic mate never anything else now is it
*cheer up*
this is the first time in my life i will rooting for complete England humiliation. Its going to be fun
Sacramento! Pac is Alive!
Straight outta Brooklyn! Big’s alive too!
What the hell is going on!! IT is utter bollocks. I was dismayed that Rio after looking great in the last couple of months was left out from the first squad. Then Kelly!! It is utter utter rubbish. I almost can’t believe we are swallowing this crap.
Footballing reasons! Stuart Downing and Jordan Henderson!!!! are you serious!! Not because they are liverpool players, but because they have had the most horrendous seasons! I mean Downing over Johnson at Shitty! no comparison..
Also Micah Richards as well!
Love to see how this lot got on against england
Scott Carson/Ben Foster
Danny Simpson Micah Richards Rio Ferdinand Ryan Bertrand
Carrick Scholes
Cleverley
Sturridge Johnson
Holt
Off to bed now, take care all, stay happy, stay healthy and stay UNITED!
B.E.L.I.E.V.E
Orez – I’ve been rooting for that for years and believe me, they never dissapoint in the entertainment stakes:
Ronaldinho’s goal in 2002 and Seaman crying
Comedy penalties and pantomime villain Ronaldo in 2004 and 2006
Croatia 2008
Utter dross in 2010 and finally torn to shreds by Germany
Goodnight Prasan!
cesc fabregas – on the bench for barcelona; on the bench for spain…..He has really owned the bench spot for club and country.
@ Fred
Good night my friend. Keep the updates and humour coming in buddy!
Good night all!
Night prasan!
Good gracious sweet Alabama! Elvis is in the building!
Rio Ferdinand is black?
Thats odd, his mother’s white, his kids are white, his wife is white but he gets labelled Black. (?)
Ah at least it’s better than what JT called his brother
- Disgraceful how we label people by the colour of their skin like it matters in the first place.
Is it not fair just to describe them by their origin or features rather than anything else?
Tut Tut
Probably old but what do you call a Leeds fan with lots of girlfriends?
A Shepherd.
It doesn’t matter if your black and white
Well that’s what Jacko said who was black but then became white through the use of creams he said but it was plastic surgery all along…
Republic of Ireland team to face Hungary on Monday night;
Trappattoni has confirmed it himself:
Given, O’Shea, Dunne, St Ledger, Ward, Duff, Andrews, Whelan, McGeady, Keane, Doyle.
What a Line Up !
With Gibson, Shane Long, McClean and Walter on the bench….we’re gonna win this shit
—— Its a shame Mexico didn’t qualify for the Euro’s
How is Russia E.U and Cameroon not?
You’re clearly looking at the man in the mirror, MG.
Willie
You’re just another part of me
Ow!
I told you before MG? Billie Jean is not my lover.
rioferdy5 has just tweet The FA and John Terry.
I ain’t mad at cha @TheFA.com @J.TerryCLL #kickoutracism
Willie
You know I’m not bad and dangerous
You’re a smooth criminal, MG.
Willie
Are you a stranger in Moscow?
No MG, I’m bad!
Willie
Shall we just blame it on the boogie?
That would be a Thriller, MG!
Excellent Willie,
We definitely wanna be startin somethin
If we keep this up MG, there will be blood on the dance floor!
Rooney, Welbeck, Young, Jones:
You should leave your caps behind and come back to Manchester. You see now that all you do is support Liverpool and Abramovich. Could it possibly be any more obvious??????????????????
WOY:
You are a coward. No wonder you couldn’t handle Liverpool. But why include so many of them in the team when they’re on the same level as West Brom???????
The Euro’s/WC are something you watch beeing bored during summer. Actually like watching games against Asian/American/Norwegian teams in preseason A LOT MORE than seeing the EC/WC.
Ingrrland <<<< United
Touche Willie
But we just have to carry on to beat it
Don’t stop till you get enough that’s the United spirit!
Willie
Can you just imagine Cedars after todays Lebanon result?
I bet he’s off the wall
Where is Cedars, MG? Did he beat it?
MG
Plastic fans. But if you’re happy great. Keeping the club going by buying replica kits and sandwich boxes I guess.
OAFC. Keeping it real.
andy
Real fans can laugh at themselves without being ridiculed by the likes of you
Yeah got the shirt again – sent the package off through DHL signed up with AON insurance booked the holiday with Thomas Cook bought a Chevrolet eating mr. Potato crisps and on and on
Fucking idiot The club sells itself – we are not dying through your fucking evil prayers and dead end logic
Oh yes – need to get the Hublot – world class timepiece
Willie
I think Cedars is trying to scream!
Eva Carneiro’s ass
http://www.lazygirls.info/Eva_Carneiro/And_Has_A_Nice_Bum_Too_1BkhhaG?id=10549
lets just take this as good news. Who actually wants him to go to the euros, get tired and possibly injured? Fuck em, UNITED>England
Ahhh Eva’s quite caring too !
http://i40.tinypic.com/1o7er5.png
David Louise here is getting a happy ending but is in horror to find the male medic is also doing his part
Now look what you’ve done Papii
You’ll send Cedars into sleepless nights!
On the topic, I usually enjoy the yahoo blog The Dirty Tackle but today they are way off with this one:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/rio-ferdinand-rep-calls-second-euro-snub-disgraceful-191034542.html
Cedars will be dreaming of lying down on the floor instead
Not in a blue shirt though, always in RED
She can dance too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pib_mouimKk&feature=related
*Cedars…unzips pants………
*takes a dump on a Chelsea shirt
Papii
Are you talking about Saturday Night Cedars?
He’ll be dancing, yeah!
The only female we’ve ever had at United was ….http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2009/1/12/1231752907543/Manchester-United-winger–001.jpg
Cedars has been ruled out of pre-season with a bout of the Bieber-fever.
It’s said he now looks like this; http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvnjhmY8zj1qkgcvwo1_400.gif
I thought the only female we had at United was Bebe?
Because you know she’s a Bebe?
I don’t post too often. Reason being I’ve got too many theories and I’m using a phone. So I’ll keep it short.
Woy is a knob.
Ingerlund cunt. Rio kicks bnp arse.
UTD.
Papii
You naughty boy!
One small step for man
One giant leap for philco-kind (theories and mobile phone included)
Rock on!
andy
What you don’t get is that some of us live and breathe RED
Some call it the journey of a soul, most of us just call it Manchester United.
What you don’t understand is beyond you, you have no faith to bear what it means to follow United
We may have lost a season, but that is just one reason to come back.
We are more than what you think we are.
You may now leave the building and close the lights on your way out. What is profound isn’t in your dynamic, it’s etched deeply into me.
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MG
I love your work. Mankinis call to woy
Issa got a problemo witha the black guy. He no playa for me. I no likey him.
Woy….. you mean he’s black. Get him out to fuck .
If he’s not scouse he can’t play……
So do England get the under achievers award or the over achievers award?
I’ve never figured that one out.
philco
Well said
MG
Chico 1 Neymar 0
Ron Greenwood tried this in the 70′ s I think.6 scouse in the Ingerlund team. Look what it did for him.
National hero.
In France, Ireland and Germany.lol.
Chopper!
Evening soren!
Yes it seems Neymar flopped – my transfer plans are in ruin soren
Hope your well soren – were Mexico better or Brazil worse?
Honestly, great news.
I feel sorry for Rio but at least he can’t be blamed for this fuck up.
What influence did G Nev have in this. Lookin after the reds after all.
philco
You could be right – however I think it’s time for Rio to shut up shop for England now if he wants to stay fit and play on for United for a few more years – I’m sure he knows it as well…
Goodnight Manchester United
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2154218/Rio-Ferdinand-John-Terry-issue-farce–Matt-Lawton.html
MG
México better, Brazil Who? haha
Dos Santos’ Great Goal
with regards to englands liverpool contigent, im baffled has to why there’s no spearing, or jonjo shelvey in the fold, or talks for carragher to come out retirement:-)
Wow, All the morning papers are slamming the fa and Hodson for disrespecting Rio.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/hodgson-accused-of-total-lack-of-respect-over-rio-7814730.html
Chicharito penalty goal against Brazil… https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TEwmbFYjaVA#!
Andy,
Keep it real down at your half empty three sided ground at 20 quid a pop you fucking loser. Keep the faith eh!
Soren
Should have been a straight red for Santo for the blatant dive. Nice pen from Chicharito, but shocking from santos and the ref.
Still, two goals in 2 in games for Chicharito. Love the kid. Hope he gets back to goal scoring ways for United next season. Seemed off this past year and never got going.
@londonfinestclub:
ferdinand is liability &terry is a better defender? LOL!
Any defender who made Andy ‘fuckin’ Carroll looks like a world class striker CANNOT be a better defender than rio.
Fletch
I also hope that next season
He’s a great lad and person, is our pride.
Cunting fucking bollocks……….Bloody bottled it, fuckers must have been paid off….
Oh, really happy for Hernandez, his goal scoring record for Mexico must be outstanding…..Thanks for the link soren
I see Liverpool and AV have 2 American owners and both have gone with hot young talent. Befor Henny and co. Would pool have done what they have with this young gaffer with no pool ties?
Hey Cedar I love Kawabunga Dude!
Shame for the young Keane.
Zibbie
Looks like its you and me at this late hour, well its late here, 4 AM actually!! How have you been my good friend?
Regarding Kagawa, only saw him play once against Arsenal in the CL but he really impressed me
I actually gave a mention about Kagawa after that match against Arsenal on here, now we are after him. I must be a genius of sorts!!
SAF to shake it up this summer, for now on holiday some wine,food good company. Then upon his return, will Rio play for half? Will Anderson be here? By to PIG, GIBBO, OWEN, BERBA, DeLatte, Fabio and more on loan and sold. A battle Royal at CB. Rafa on the rise with his nat team. Rooney hitting his prime. Welbeck and Hernandez wow 2 young strikers on the rise. Tony V. What a dude. Young to play with Rooney and Welbeck for the Euros and hit the ground running for his 2nd season. Carrick, Tom C, Scholes, Giggs and KAWABUNGA, Jones and maybe Pogba? Petrucci, James on Loan,Tunni. Cmf and Rooney as a back up. Nani. DDG his beard to fill in late in April to at least look like one.
Late yes for you. 8:15 here
De Latte ?
Collen Rooney
Cubs?
Oh Zibbie ….your a ROM legend
Tree I have Goltv they have the German leag. With all the buzz with Goetz and so many of their players and they were good and fun to watch. I saw some 8 to 11 games of Dortmans. Goetz got hurt Kawa steped up and drove the offence to the title. Kawa was MOTM 5 OF 9 GAMES I SAW HIM IN!!! Kawabunga dude.
Right back at you Pappi. This women came up to me in a bar after a live band a great show by Over The Rhine. She said you are so fucking cute. You are the cutest thing I have ever seen……….
I’m only a refection of those around me.
In the still waters of my pool.
The only reflection you will see.
Is that of you………………………………….
Your only as good as your dance partner. Thanks for the Tango Pappi
GO. ROONEY!!!
Well just the 1st week of June. Miss the EPL. Boy did I stumble into the greatest team in the world. MUFC. You have seduced me. And RoM has help teach me. For I
Well just the 1st week of June. Miss the EPL. Boy did I stumble into the greatest team in the world. MUFC. You have seduced me. And RoM has help teach me. For I
It’s all good. When Liverpool kick off their European campaign against France, our players will be getting much needed rest for next season.
Is there anything worse than a chelsea fan cunt actually believing Terry is the better defender? Terry’s team came fucking 6th and he was playing with Cech and Ashley Cole. Compare that to (an increasingly lethargic looking) Evra and early season De Gea and Rafael/Jones giving the right back slot a go without looking consistently convincing. Ferdinand just lost the title on goal difference. Not even close Ferdinand all day. Unless you prefer your headers to go right back up the middle of the field and not to a team mate, and your center back to be stood on the goal line whenever the ball comes inside the 18, get fucked Chavs, Carvalho has made you think far too much of Terry as has Ferdinand over the years at international level.
Something for Paul Pogba to think about:
“This season juventus have been fined four times for racist chanting! FOUR TIMES !!! Thats more times than they have won the CL, what the hell is that all about ?!
Don`t these idiots remember Lillian Thuram or even further back Julio Cesar ?
They have this “fantastic” new stadium and yet they cant or wont identify these trouble makers and throw them out .. what are you going to do about it Andrea Agnelli ?! Has anyone heard Andrea Agnelli doing something useulf or constructive on this matter or is it a case of say nothing and carry on regardless ?!”
And you thought that EBJT was the only racist bastard !
Evening/ morning you wonderful RoMers of the world. Holed up in a hotel room in Yankshire with too much time on me hands. Came across this and thought I’d pass it along.
Fuck me this is brilliant -
http://rgsoas.wordpress.com/
Completely off topic, but this is a must watch vid. Goosebumps assured!
Cedars, don’t miss this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=y1OnoYtfOpU
@Denton .. Julio Cesar , now that brings back some memories .I remember watching him on Sunday afternoons on Gazzeta. For some reason he didn’t feature much for the National team .
There was also a Brazilian that played for Roma at the time that really stood out for me (not because he was good but because he played for the Belgian national team) . I think he might’ve been a Silva…
Aditya Reds should work in the Manchester United Media department, boy’s vids are always a pleasure to watch
@Fletch
Kinda feels like new territory doesnt it? THe FA supporting United’s players for a change…
Morning reds around the world..
At last we have signed somebody..
Aditya Reds
RMW,
thanks for the link..Great video..
was reading the comments of that video..
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Mate, keep it up! You are proving that india is just as passionate about football like europe!
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How fuckiing true is that…indeed India is a passionate country when it comes to manchester United, at least we reds are..
Fletch and Atin,
after all, time to time even FA has to justify that it is not anmti United
Cunts anyway, one rule for all and other rule for United..
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Zibster..
How are you mate?
The coming months will be key to understanding the future of Costa Rican Bryan Oviedo, who has drawn attention to the Manchester United of England.
The left side is in Costa Rica working with the senior team and said he was flattered to be considered by one of the big clubs internationally.
“For me it is one of the best teams in the world when the news came out was something I liked a lot, gave me great motivation to continue, for now I’m waiting,” Bryan said in reference to the possibility of becoming a new player Red Devils.
“If Manchester tells me that I want to buy and there are other clubs interested obvious first choice would be Manchester,” he said.
The group coached by Alex Ferguson is not the only one who has looked in the attic. Even the Danish Copenhagen tried to keep him, but the former U-20 World Cup Egypt 2009 decided to wait and listen to offers.
“They wanted to sign before coming here, for me to stay with them (Copenhagen), but decided to wait and see what happens in this period of sale of players, just as if I was at the club would be a pretty nice opportunity and we will play Champions League this year, “said Oviedo.
idrathershagabucket – great find. bookmarked! cheers
Can understand Rio’s feelings, but:
1. Uncle Woy is may be trying to avoid a direct clash between Rio and Terry
2. Young players should also be given their chance
idrathershagabucket
THANKS for the link mate..
Morning PJBS and Lordrt..
Hope you are well..
good day..
I’m not from England, so I’m overjoyed that Rio and Carrick are getting a well deserved rest. Frankly, I couldn’t give a pigs fart about what England does. I do hope Rooney and Welbeck are dropped soon, and Terry ruptures a testicle or something.
Have we signed anyone yet???
Jeet,
morning you racist Northie
How are you my good friend?
Long time..
well even if we were from England, we wouldnt give a shit..
United >>>>>>> Ingerland
Sandeep – morning!
Getting bored and irritated/angry at lack of United action
Jeet,
true that, might survive without sex, but not without United!!
off season seems an eternity already
Morning dip shits
Bored? Need a United wank of sorts? Enjoy this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBilBa5n2wY
Morning reds….my SKY Sports news lovely bird and future wife is on the tele again!
ahhh…I’m in love <3
Greetings Sandeep. Hope you are well
Cedars – Captain Marvel always puts a smile on my face
Another one for you…..We’ve often had great debates on here about Robbo and Keane. No doubting both are United legends……Robbo will still always edge it for me though.
Great tribute for two great players, how we could do with them today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iAPawmHfRk
PJBS
On all our faces mate….Hope you enjoy the second one as well
cedars i’d really like to see m’villa at united m8 think the lads quality, within our price range too
@Sandeep1878: Fine mate, hope u r doing good as well
Hope for the Kagawa deal to be sealed this week, and why not one or two more lads to join in
Thing is with these videos though is that it only shows goals……Robbo and Keane as we know were much more than that of course. Their mere presence on the pitch, the leadership they provided, with Robbo in particular putting his life on the line for the cause
PJBS,
I m well mate, thanks.
Cedars,
Thanks for the link buddy..
heard you wanked last night when Robbo came on in the game?
Was jones even on the bench against Belgium people?
@Busby babes: M’vila could be a good signing, but arsenal are keeping tabs on him and were reported to be close to signing him as well, but the lad got into some fight recently and the deal may be cooled off a little. I believe another player that suits his role could be martinez from bilbao
Busby babes
Never seen him to be honest so I cannot comment…..I keep reading about him being linked with Arsenal though
lordrt,
I m well mate, thanks..
Yup hope Kagawa will be in very soon..lets hope so he will be the first of 2 or 3 to come..
Cedars,
as you put it, the legend is something more than that video, i mean any video can’t show the real significance of a legend like Robb0..His mere presence was an aura of motivation..players like these are few and far between and i m glad to say proudly that he is in our club’s history, though never watched him play live or on tv, but from what i have read/heard/seen, he is just the perefct role model for any young player..
Ji Sung,
yup Jonesy lad was on bench..but not used…
Sandy
Well said mate, players like Robbo and Keane are a lot more than skill, which they have in abundance, they are about leadership. Like Mike told me the other day, had we had Robbo on in the Everton game then no way in hell would we have drawn it
morning Fuckwits…yawn….we bough any cunt yet
MrBee
Ha ha…..We’re in for Monaco and the Vatican mate, you not heard?
& Chicharito scored yet again as Mexico saw off Brazil on a 2-0 scoreline, deserves some more playtime with United to develop his full potential
So the sons of the cedars lost to the money whores yesterday, fair enough. But the goal scorer is someone named Sebastian Soria!!!!! How the fuck is he from Qatar to begin with????
Fuckers have a history of dishing out citizenships to anyone that can improve their sports, yet some want the fuckers to buy United……..God forbid
yea he has been strongly linked with arsenal, but doubts have surfaced regarding their pursuit of him, and apparently switching their attentions to de jong, rumour mill will be in over drive so various news circulating. but he has previously spoken highly of united not that you can read to much into that given hazards escapade, just think he’d provide that bite, but with that you have a player who’s also good on the ball is pass completion is also impressive too.
lordrt yea seen that he was arrested for alledgley punching a 17 year old and has previous dont agree or approve of such incidents if true, but fergie thrives with them tempermental types:-)
Hi cedars
Ya…. Very dissappointed about yesterday but it’s alright, 1 more game on the 8th
And I definately realized the names of the Qatari players….. But sebastian Sofia was the one who took the yellow card, andres Quintana was the scorer!
ANDRES QUINTANA??
Soria*
Lebomanc
They also have an Andres in their team???? Bloody hell ……..Did not go to the game and could not watch it…….This is a joke though
Morning.
Willie. Saw your Chopper post last night. Watched it again last night. Right film. Fucking nutcase but hilarious with it.
That’s the seventh or eigth time I have watched Neymar. Aside from looking like a skinny little tranny with ridiculous barnet and socks pulled up like Terry can someone tell me why this fag is valued at about 70 million? Cheers.
Cedars
Ya I didn’t watch it either…but just checked and not you’re right soria was the scorer!
But theyre known for doing that, cause they pay those players a lot!
If nations continue that way, the point of national teams will become pointless
@King Eric: Neymar is fucking overrated beyond belief, pal. I’ve watched him several times too, and he’s done absolutely fuckall. And then there are some who want Nani to be sold.
Lebomanc
Its like England making Suarez English so he can play for them!!
@Cedars: Well in all fairness, England does have Kevin Pietersen
… Or should the land of the cedars do something to woo a certain Dutchman, with strong Lebanese connections?
King Eric
Obviously you know shit mate, Neymar has a great hair cut
Jeet
Leave my Robin out of this……..Fucker banged a couple the other night….. Best striker in world football at the moment bar none
“Fucker banged a couple the other night”…. LMAO
Cedars, jeet
Hahaha, oh I would definately welcome v.persie in the lebanese team….would pair him with atwi
You’re better off out of it Rio – You’ll be fitter for next season too so treat it as a good thing. Don’t really give a toss about England anyway – Club before Country – Come on you Reds!
cedars your crazy m8 robin the best striker bar none at present? qite comfortably mandy carroll makes van persie look like a cart house:-)
This is absolute genius
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AleYSkW2LoQ&feature=player_embedded
horse that is
Heskey is on a free now..
How about him at Lebanon?
Hello King Eric,
How are you mate..
suggest some hilarious movies like, Hang Over, Euro trip etc..
May be willie can pitch in..
Cedars and jeet. Hello lads. He is awful and wouldn’t last two min in Prem. Like a twig. Another over rated bastard like the rest.
Lebomanc
My Robin does not like to be paired with anyone
Cedars
Haha, 2enta 2a3lam…he’s your son!
Morning shit kickers
What’s new? Heard Joey Barton got a kicking outside a nightclub last night?!
…ergo, joey barton is shit. Q(uiet) E(asily) D(one)
Where is everyone? Off scouting transfer targets I’m guessing. Good work RoM, don’t take your eye off the ball.
Morning United
Morning Mike
A week without school – I know the feeling
MG
Yup, was out partying in my local last night and a load of ex pupils came in. Bought me plenty of beers god bless em. I taught them well!
A lot, and I mean A LOT, of my schoolteachers would have nightmares about meeting me or some of my friends in a pub/bar…
Mike
The force is strong with the younglings
Well this is my third day and I’m on the floor – I’ve done my back in – and it’s bloody painful – though you know me always keeping the spirits up – somehow!
We were 5 minutes away from booking a holiday off to Dubai – but luckily for me austerity measures in the form of back pain got in the way
Jeet
You naughty boy
Jeet
I know mate, there a few I tend to avoid. The lads yesterday were part of the schools most successful football team ever, all top lads. Lifted a few trophies at Carrington during their time at school.
MG
That sucks pal. I’m gonna be doing fuck all due to similar austerity measures!
@MG, Mike: I would love to see more passion and “connect” being put into teaching. So many teachers just focus on being a drill seargent , instead of trying to really connect with kids and gain their trust. In India, it’s horrible, sadly most of my school teachers were sick psychos (one who drank in school, another who was a tiny deformed man and took out his frustrations by hammering kids), or plain incompetent. But I had some lovely teachers too and even today when I am down in the dumps, I would give a lot to meet some of them and take their advice and words of encouragement. My undergrad profs were absolutely brilliant – they didn’t give two hoots about exams and grades, so long as you learnt, and more importantly loved the subject – mad, left leaning, intellectual fuckers. For the record, I would have loved to teach (love teaching kids when I get the time, or my nephews and neices), but like Hazard, I ended up whoring myself
Sorry for going all off-topic, lads, but seeing none of you are around…
Mike
All it means is that I get to write more – but however when you are in pain it sort of like distracts you from going with the flow
Damned ever way possible!
Austerity measures – they come in the form of many a situation.
I need a massage from one of those SPA babes overlooking the ocean
Dream on MG!
I really fancy heading back to the states for my hols this year!!
ha ha ha..
Nice to see the conversation between teachers and school kids here
speaking of college days,
don’t know how many will believe me, but i had a bet with a friend to smoke in classroom and i did smoke a full cigarette during the class..
looking back now i feel, how fucking cheap i was to do this and how fucking lucky i was to not to get suspended from the university..
These all remain memories of a life time!!!
Incredible and out of the box, but in the end was saved somehow..the ceiling fan did the best to move the smoke to the windows…!! thank god for that..
anyway, done is done..
cheers
###
MG,
your Brazilian football manager fantasy boy has been getting from pillars to posts by King Eric, cedars and Jeet..
and pretty soon i will be joining that clique..:P
good day you beautiful reds..
Roy, Roy, rock your boat,
Roy, Roy, have your gloat,
Easy matches now? Two wins?
Both matches should have gone to the losers!
Don’t bother about seasoned Rio
Terry will send you thither – heigh-ho!
*
has been getting fucked…
Anyway, back on topic. Rio has headed off to Cyprus after being shunned. Cedars, nip over and have a word with him, keep his spirits up. Hodgson and the FA have really fucked up this time. To think, these fuck wits are getting paid a lot of money to come up with the shambolic running of football in our country!
From a selfish point of view and I’ve said it before, the fewer reds over there this summer the better. A fit Rio and Vidic at the start of the season will be great to see! By the way, when do the fixtures come out? Is it June 18th?
Jeet
I have to say that being a teaching assistant and working with teachers in primary school – it’s a joy
I also have to say that the teachers that I work with especially in year one alongside the deputy school head in one class and another teacher in the other class has really opened me up as far as learning is concerned.
The other teacher who I won’t name – she was also my son’s class teacher last year – and I have to say she is an incredible person – enthusiastic smiling very challenging in her every day work – she also got to tutor me as well when I was doing my course! And I have to say that I am a better person for it – in our school we do a lot of outside the box learning alongside book learning if you get what I mean.
But and this is the funny thing – I also went to this school when I was young – it’s changed because they built a new school close by but the school ethos still remains – incredible when you think how much things have changed in all these years.
All good experiences for me my good man! – However I can’t deny there were experiences that were bad too – but not to the extent where I remember those than the good ones…
You never forget a good teacher – never.
Just like our club. You never forget the good times and the bad times just make you want to go for things again with even more purpose
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Sandeep
Naughty boy!
I read that Terry is having his hamstring closely monitored as it is not in the best shape. Even more of a bizarre reason not to include Rio?!? I hope it fucking snaps in half in his first sprint against France!!!
Sandeep
soren told me that my boy was nowhere to be seen
On the bright side – he is of course no value in the market then.
50 million for a player upstaged by an opposition player that doesn’t get no game time – well done Harry – and the other who we have anyway!
Mike
Uncle Woy would still take Terry over Rio! Even with both hamstrings torn – you know being Captain Leader Legend and all that nonsense!
I’d sooner take Terry fucking Tibbs at CB than that racist shit bag!
Mike
We’d be great England management
Could you imagine Gary Neville having to live with James?
And Cedars doing the medicals?
And Watson scouting the opposition?
MG
Not being funny but a monkey on acid could do a better jib than the FA. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if it currently was a monkey on acid running the FA!! Costas would have to be in charge of the medical staff!!
@MG: Ever since I saw Dos Santos at the WC, it was a complete puzzle to me as to why he never got any chances. That boy’s got quality.
@MG: and Denton Davey assigning nick names to the players. Gaz as The Hairdryer Expert
Mike
You see with Costas I never know
Do you:
A. Give him the role as Chief Medical Officer
B. Give him the role as Chief Statician
C. Give him the role as Chef of Kebabology
Jeet
Played for Barcelona once
Have we sold anybody yet?
Rumours gathering pace in Italy that city target thiago silva is having talks with Barcelona. Agent says deal won’t be below 40m! I’m guessing that’s Euros but still, another club who can’t afford to spend like this flagrantly sticking 2 fingers up at FFP!! If true of course!
Can someone also tell me where Juventus have got all this cash from for all these potential transfers they’re targeting??
This certainly warms the heart:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Diejyq7kXs&list=UULV157ndR2y5a16aznE4O8w&index=1&feature=plcp
Well done to the Manchester United Foundation
I don’t see why the are getting blamed for Rio’s omission. Clearly Roy thinks Terry is much needed than Rio. As I recall the FA stripped Terry of the captaincy not Capello. The FA expected the trial to have been conducted before the Euros but Terrys solicitor got the trial pushed back till after
the Euros. You can’t blame the FA for that. Besides Roy said he had spoken to SAF about Rio’s fitness also. There are those in the FA that don’t even want him at the tournament because of this issue but they can’t prejudice his case so he is eligible for selection. Roy chose Terry simple as that, I can’t stand him at all. At least if shit hits the fan with England, Rio can’t be blamed and made a scapegoat.
Clint
Wouldn’t let me open the link pal.
Just been browsing the web and saw European Sports Media best 11 of 2011/2012. The midfield was Xavi, Pirlo and Kagawa. Just saying.
MikeKelly
Save it for later pal, nice video to watch and shows the great work United do.
Bit surprised by that midfield trio: Guys like David Silva, Yaya Toure, Scweinsteiger,Ozil,Alonso obviously narrowly miss out.
If we sign Shinji Kagawa, it would honestly be fantastic. He would take the burden off Rooney connecting midfield to the forward line, which has been too prominent over the last 3 seasons. As Wayne has shown in the 2nd half of 11/12, he can’t be the play-maker and striker too, he has to sacrifice something…which is why we saw his passing and sharpness fall in the last 10 games of the season.
Shinji would be ideal to take the burden off Rooney.
Now all we need is a Midfielder to take the burden off Carrick, A Scholes that can only play half the games, Giggs – who is no ball winner or battler.
Anderson and Clevs have their own pressures and problems to deal with injury-wise
Fletch needs to concentrate on getting fit and Pogba …only god knows.
Clint
Will do mate. On Kagawa I really hopeit doesn’t fall through and nothing suggests it should, but as always, until they run out in that red shirt in August I will be leaving the chicken arithmetic alone! Saw a lot of him last year (german mother from Dortmund area so have to show willing) and he looked very good. His eye for a pass impresses me, someone posted his assist for Japan on RoM yesterday. I said to King Eric, even after watching it on replay I still didn’t spot the run!! It was Xavi-esque.
So so gutted for Rio. It’s a joke!
What reasons!?
http://tinyurl.com/cwpxklx
How much of a clown is Joey Barton by the way? what a joker
Mike -
Don’t you think Kagawa has a resemblance to Keanu Reeves?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HgZ3FEZssEo/TdSXt2C2qdI/AAAAAAAABK4/sidtSV28WKc/s1600/Keanu+Reeves.jpg
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2012/324×324/250021739.jpg
Now look at Kagawa
Have we sacked anyone yet??
Afternoon dip shits
Papii
They could be twins mate
Fucking slower than Ledley King on here…August couldn’t come sooner
Off to a new marketing gig. Go team.
no they dont
We need us a few TonyBee jokes on here
Of course they don’t…..Papii was just taking the piss
Even Liverpoolfans think it was ridiculous – and then we are talking before Kelly
Inspired by Mr.Bee….
Everytime I get drunk, I get in trouble with the cops while driving back.
So one day, I decided to take a bus. Funny, none of the passengers noticed
honestly Rio should shut up and forget about England, he knows very damn well that his England career is over, and also we all know as a fact that he and Terry cannot work in the same locker room and i don’t think Roy Hodgson wants division in the dressing room. So stop whining Rio and focus on being a United player next season.
Clint
You’re onto something there pal!!!
I’m now in the pub AGAIN!!
Cedars
Dip shits…. Like it!!
Never drink and drive, you might hit a speed bump and spill your drink
Mike
You’re the inspiration mate! Enjoy the pub
@Cedars: Never drink and drive – instead, dope and fly
Jeet
I like it, glide on the clouds as it were
Booldy hemroid suckers top of the day.
Someone at the FA doesn’t want to see Rio get 100 caps, Simps.
Now we know there is a back story to why they hired Neville. . . .
Zibbie
Take it easy on your ass my friend
Shhhh….Its nap time on RoM
Cedars!
I was trying to sleep!
Shhhh!
MG goes back to bed…
Lionheart can play with five broken ribs, one deformed penis and two sagging nut-sacks, Can Rio master that ?
Lionheart wins wars, Lionheart owns everyone. Lionheart >>> Rio..
FletchTHEMAN – I’m afraid I’m not catching your drift regarding Gary Neville. Care to spell it out for the uninitiated?
Richard Lion Heart?? Fuck me, does he still play?
http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/Actualidad/1330105735292/noticia/Cronica/Real_Madrid_3-2_Manchester_United.htm
Highlights and match report from the Corazon Classic, courtesy of our good friends over at RealMadrid.com.
MG
Bonne nuit mon amour
Fred
Fantastic link mate…….Was trying to find highlights all day
Cedars – happy to help!
Especially for Cubs/ ZIbbie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ6P0uLLpOY&list=UULV157ndR2y5a16aznE4O8w&index=5&feature=plcp
Rooney!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF99jT1Z0Ts&list=UULV157ndR2y5a16aznE4O8w&index=4&feature=plcp
Aditya-Reds is just too good!
This whole Rio saga has me convinced more than ever that the top brass in England are run by people who have the same mentality as Enoch Powell. It’s quite obvious to me this is all down to last year when Terry abused Anton. What does the powers at be do. cook up a cock and bull story about footballing reasons so they can pander to him. Ridiculous this is the same FA who banned Woodgate and Bowyer for 2 years from England selection for racism allegations.
Now look at the Italians if we are going to analyse them under the stereotypical xenophobic microscopes that the English use. They are hardly the standard bearers of morality. However they ban Domenico Criscito for allegations of match fixing. England’s Terry still makes the squad! Baffling.
Rio has done himself no favours with the tweet yesterday and his agent’s statement but I can understand how he feels. There’s a racist in that squad and people of power are playing a dangerous game of roulette by taking someone who I believe will be convicted of racial abuse under the guise of “footballing reasons.” We all know this is bullshit and from my legal background the only reason Rio is being cryptic is so that he doesn’t harm his brothers case.
He’s calling the FA and Hodgson out and it makes me sad, angry and upset how there are a huge proportion of people who are putting this down to Rio’s ego and not the bigger issue of Terry being a vile loathsome racist cunt who costs people their livelihood.
I also think the FA are bloody scared that Rio will see racism in Ukraine and speak out about it and embarrass them. I saw Bernstein’s interview regarding the situation in Ukraine. He really doesn’t give a shit. Part of the “White is Right” brigade and sadly so are most In-gur-land fans.
Fuck in-gur-land. Team Ireland for the Euros!!!!!
Defence is the most important line for every squad in the world except Brasil.
And he left one of the best defensive player in the world at home. I dont know what kind of drugs he is takeing…but he is not normal.
Fred
You always do mate, always do…. Loved the commentary yesterday
hey Cedars – long time.. Geared up for Ja Oranja..?
Atin
Hello! Not seen you here in ages, hope all is well mate…..Ja Oranja?? You mean the Dutch?
Any surprise who is lining up to support Hodson and the FA? Don’t think it is about whether it is “Rio’s time or not”. It is about how it is done and the clear lie about this not being a political issue.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18325005
You’ve made your choice now fuck off. Word of advice though, read up on your history before commenting you ignorant little fucking cunt: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2154492/Eden-Hazard-Chelseas-project-better-Manchester-United.html
Kings
Hi pal……….So he joined the Chelsea project???? What the fuck is that??
Like you rightly said, he’s an ignorant cunt. Wonder if he just went for the money?? Na, probably the project
Thanks Cedars I actually did fall asleep!
I have been a Manchester United fan now for the best part of 25 years and over
In my time it’s never been about a project
It’s always been about the club
Less do the non believers know
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been really tied up with work – expect to get relatively free and posting here in about 2 weeks time..
and yes the dutch – but only because you’re related to their shit striker…
What is it with these clubs and calling themselves a “project”. Sounds like something a primary school kid is in charge of. Makes them sound like a bunch of Nancy Boys.
CedarsDevil – Hi Pal. Fair enough he made his choice but don’t starting spouting specious reasoning for those choices. Cunt. Ha. Heaven forbid he went there for the money. I’m sure his agent (£6m richer) would share those views too!
MG
Well said mate, well fucking said…. I remember when Kanchelskis wanted to leave Sir Alex came out and said ‘We only want players who want to play for Manchester United’
So it was basically all about SAF not promising him playing position and time? Very well done Mr. Hazard. Now pls wait for the next manager, whosoever that may be, to decide he wants to play Mata instead of you and then go running crying to Mr. Boss Man Big while sucking on your thumb, cos boo hoo you’re only 21!
“If you’re good enough, you’re old enough”
GGMU
So the “project” for chelsea in the last 4 years was to finish 2nd for 3 years in succession and then finish 6th, 24 points behind the leaders. Nothing to do with money. I think the real “project” is to play for Chelsea for 2 years and abandon that “project” to either join Barca`s or Real`s “project” from what I can gather from that interview.
Eden Hazard has revealed the exciting ‘Chelsea project’ is what convinced him to snub a move to Manchester United in favour of the European champions.
fuck off you greedy little cunt .
NRD
The bitters are a project mate, one that will soon be doomed to eternity…..
Jokes aside. In the professional world I’ve never heard of a project without a project manager. The thing that gets me is that chelski continue to buy players without the consent of a manager. Managers know this when they go there, as do players and yet they still go there under the guise of “an exciting project.” How can any footballer want to join a club who has no manager there’s only one reason for it money. So who the fuck are they kidding when they throw out a few buzz words and oh the standard dig at United that comes along with it.
I thought the dippers under KKK were also a project of sorts no?
@ Cedars – Good one mate. Brendan Rogers was on about “a 3 year project.” the other day. Yeah right! If he’s not in the top 4 at X-Mas he’ll be gone before the end of the season. Look at the successful Villas-Boas project. Didn’t even last a year!
Kings
He only went there for footballing reasons mate……Playing along side CLLC must be every footballer’s dream
NRD
Rogers has just shitted himself down the gutters with that appointment, do not really feel sorry for him to be honest
So the press weren’t bullshitting the world when they said Hazard was close to signing for United eh? Fucking twat! Chelsea have a better project, younger players and he’ll get regular gametime there etc??? WTF???
Brendan Rogers at the vermin is similar to Villas-Boas at chelski. Both good coaches but flavour of the month. It’s funny watching the vermin trying to recreate the structure we have at United but they’re lacking class and a lot of it too. Could not give a shit what happens there either although will enjoy watching the wheels come off as the vermin crash and burn.
Daily mail headline in regards to Hazard is misleading there was nothing in what he said in regards to United that would be considered a dig smh.
Warnock at the dippers would have made my season
Cedars
I’m at a loss with these millionaire project boys
But it is what it is we don’t do projects we just build teams over and over and over and over…
And it never stops.
At the end they want to move on anyway so you are right, but the exception of the few like Ronaldo who actually made sure he did achieve everything at and for United, they are but a waste of time.
That’s not arrogance that’s just the sad truth. If along the way they get to win a few trophies whilst being disillusioned at the end that’s about a fair deal having doubled a pay cheque. That’s the kind of player United most certainly do not need.
See folks, didn’t I tell you Cedars is a leeds fan in disguise? His mention of Neil Warnock on a United blog justifies my statement. Bore off you moniker changing leeds fan!
@MG
Didn’t I mention Neil Warnock to you yesterday night? Should’ve seen this coming!
Evening fellow REDS!
Anyone that believes Hazard is signing for the rentboys because of the project, is seriously fucked up in the head.
Nick Powell > Eden Hazard
our future are bright…?
@ Willie
So true my friend. I guess where he mentioned Chelsea was a “better project”, he means “better moolah” for him and his fucking agent. Bloddy whores!
On another note, let me share you a legendary quote of sorts by a die-hard leeds fan:
Moses signing for leeds would’ve made my season. – by Cedars_lifeisaboutsheepshagging
Haha….the comments are most is not all from men in The ten best- looking players at the euros
(v.persie in there, just for the record)
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3284/euro-2012/2012/06/04/3147818/one-for-the-ladies-the-10-best-looking-footballers-at-euro
The funniest bit about the Hazard comments was that he declared that he will play more for them that he would for other teams. I bet the next Chelsea manager will be thrilled about this. Plus, in a way he admits that he’s worse than Nani or Valencia and wasn’t going to start ahead of them.
The project comment was also pretty funny. However, lets not act as if Chelsea’s only allure was money whereas ours was trophies. They had a far more successful season than we did.
: “With all respect to Chelsea, I’d rather join a club with history such as Liverpool or Arsenal.” – Eden Hazard (January 23th 2012)
going off topic………………………..if nani really does go isnt it a good idea to raise some funds and get gaitan to replace him………………………
just thinkin out loud……..
‘When they won the Champions League
I told myself, “why not Chelsea?”.
sums it all up really
Lebomanc
Shifti the leb game?!
Wow.. so would hazard have signed for chelsea had they been relegated?
Or if next season Malaga win the Champions League, will he be joining them?
So is someone thinking of joining West Ham just because they have won the playoff??
Jasmine
I couldn’t watch it but I heard the Qatari goal by sebastian soria very stupid!
Yalla baseeta
Cedars – thank you for the kind words. Glad you enjoyed my Kenneth Wolstenholme routine yesterday. “Playing along side CLLC must be every footballer’s dream” cracked me up pal.
Dazbomber – Ha! Well done for digging up that quote. Does this daft cunt have multiple personalties? Not right in the head that one.
Peter says:
“So the “project” for chelsea in the last 4 years was to finish 2nd for 3 years in succession and then finish 6th, 24 points behind the leaders. Nothing to do with money. I think the real “project” is to play for Chelsea for 2 years and abandon that “project” to either join Barca`s or Real`s “project” from what I can gather from that interview.”
Spot on and very well said.
Lebomanc
Hahahaha
7asiet
Chelski is a project ……Utd is a way of life…..GGMU!!!
Lebomanc – not sure how you feel about that list but I find it laughable. Some very strange inclusions imho…
paramrooney – why in the world would we sell Nani and replace him with a vastly inferior player?
Fred
Ya A fail list that is….
The comments were even more fail
Fred, Sorry mate, missed your question. My “drift” re:Gary is that the FA can point to a United man signing off even if he is only there for show. Can’t really imagine Roy wouldn’t have had others in line for that job given his propensity to brining in liverpool people. Mayby I am reading to much into it. But looks clear enough.
Fletch – no problems pal. Thanks for the clarification.
CedarsDevil says:
We need us a few TonyBee jokes on here……
oh all right then……..
now let me see…….
Fred, Cheers mate. Always prefer a good conspiracy if one is on offer
See you don’t miss a step on that front either (19:18).
Roy Hodgson sat with his assistant, “So unfortunately now Gary Cahill is injured and ruled out of the Euros, lets look at our options…”
“What about Rio Ferdinand, Roy?” Asks his assistant…
“5 Premier league medals, 1 F.A Cup, 2 League Cups, 1 European Cup and 81 caps for his country.”
“No, not Rio, I’m looking for something a little different,” replied Hodgson.
“I see,” Said his assistant, “what about, Micah Richards…?
1 F.A Cup winners medal, 1 Premier League medal, Vise captain for the Premier League champions and 13 Caps for his country.”
“Again, I don’t think you are understanding me,” Frowns Hodgson, “They must have a certain quality.
“What about Martin Kelly?” Asks his assistant.
“Martin who?” Asks Roy.
“He’s some cunt that plays for Liverpool reserves,” Replied his assistant.
“Now you’re talking,” Replies Hodgson.
I hear Emile Heskey was offered new deal by Ajax..
If he sells 20 tins of the bathroom cleaning powder every week..He’ll get £100.
Breaking News
Scott Parker and John Terry have been ruled out of the Euros.
Roy Hodgson has confirmed Jonjo Shelvey and Jamie Carragher will replace them.
Roy Hodgson : “It was an easy decision , in my eyes there are no other canidates”
Hazard has the chance to join the greatest football club in the World and instead he chooses
a “project” what a fuckin ballbag. Glad we didn’t get the mercenary fucker. Looking forward to Big Phil launching the little cunt into tier 2 next season.
Roy Hodgson has pick so many Liverpool players in the England
squad ……
if he cant win it…….. then them thieving scouse bastards can rob it for him
Mats Hummels was at Bayern till 2009 then they sold him to Dortmund
what knobs
Just like us and Gerard Pique
I fucked up a decent chance of a fuck session last night.
I was chatting up a girl in a bar.
Things were going well, so I asked her if she’d like to go back to my place.
She said, “My head says no, but my heart says yes…”
I said, “Okay, let’s make it best out of three. What does your cunt say?”
and finally for the time being……
I asked my mate for some chat up lines to use when I was going out.
He told me to say, “Excuse me, if I said you had a nice body, would you hold it against me?”
I thought, that’s old and stupid, so I went for one of my own.
I saw this beauty I thought was fine and said,
“Excuse me love, if i said you had a nice cunt, would you rub my face in it?”
sigh…..It didn’t work.
Anyone think that Kagawa a good player though he seems is the answer to our midfield troubles and is the man to take United to that next level in Europe? I think we will need more than him.
Also if United do pick up Kagawa for £12 million then it is good business as if Hazard is worth £32 million then I doubt Kagawa is 1/3 as good if you see what I mean…!
Can’t see United signing Modric. Quite fancy some Bilbao midfielders too…!
Project “bullshit” end of!! Move on. Manchester United will finish ahead of Chelsea this year! I’ll take money off anyone who thinks otherwise. Seriously think one adolescent fuck wit is gonna turn that shower of cunts into a title winning team? Haha! Funny as fuck!
@Clint:
Except Pique wants to return to his boyhood club (you know the Barca-DNA thing??)
Manchester United have declined to sign the project
SAF: We just felt that the project wasn’t going to help us move on to the next level, and of course we have our very own way of doing things here.
The Project: Issa no eh thinka dat eh issa wanna cumma to de Joonited no?
David Gill: With Sony digital cameras I expect to shoot only those that want to be shot. However I have the software to digitally erase images that I don’t like.
SAF: No doubt about that!
@alphaRS:
sorry i dont understand your post. Did u mean Kagawa won’t be as good as Hazard bcoz he’ll cost less than Hazard?
@TheCANTONA
No Im saying that Kagawa is a good buy because I doubt he is 1/3 as good as Hazard taking in to account the transfer fee.
messi gets a mention at EA E3 2012 press conferences. he’s on the cover for the upcoming FIFA 2013.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2154582/Joey-Barton-arrested-alleged-fight.html
@AlphaRS:
Oh i see, i’m sorry then…
Fuck Hazard, if he can’t tell the difference between a shirt that’s steeped in history, a shirt that’s been worn by some of the greatest players ever to grace the game, and a Russian crooks blue arse wipe, he’s going to the right club. Plastic player going to a plastic “project”.
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/soccer/artikel.php?ID=240854
average player but not what we need
Good luck to hazard, just not against us
Dazbomber- Chelsea now gave history now they have the CL under their belt. Hahaha
corrupt Abramovich goes crazy,according to reports he will bid £60 m for Radamel Falcao
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9311398/Chelseas-Eden-Hazard-I-rejected-Manchester-United-after-Roman-Abramovichs-intervention.html
Atin thank you. Rooney is a beast.
I know the reason why Hazard “rejected” us.
1. SAF said, you have to earn your place, if yo uwant to be in the startingd line-up
2. CHEL$ki without coach and the rusian owner said, welcome to the starting line-up, don’t prove me anything.
@MikeKelly
Atleast with Barca the money is there in the operation to support purchasing such players. NotoriousRedDevil queried how the European clubs stand in regards to their spending on wages so I had a look into it. Basically the wage spending in relation to revenue is something in the region of
Barca 51%
Real 48%
Inter 91%
Bayern 58%
AC 78%
So as you can see Barca is to a degree sensibly run, 51% is a good figure (as is Reals and even Bayerns isn’t too bad) I suspect much of the increasing debt they have rolling up is more to do with the bank loans which in reality they aren’t expected to pay back. If its anything else then something unusual as even with their spending Barca and Real shouldn’t be incurring extra debt.
It is the Italian clubs that are most at risk. When the two most profitable clubs have wage bills at the level of Inter and AC’s it’s not good. Imcame across a report that stated that currently NO Seria A team meets FFP and that it’s unlikely any will. Juve and Roma especially are spending wages not too far behind AC with revenues that don’t come close. They are probally right as I suspect FFP will be toothless but would be funny if they did throw the book at those seemingly ignoring it now
A number of the Spanish sides and the Germans behind Real/Barca and Bayern also have large wage bills and significantly lower revenue (especially in Spain where where Real/Barca receive something like €140m each while the rest get between €48m and €13m)
Eden Hazard has revealed that he held personal conversations with both Sir Alex Ferguson and Roman Abramovich before deciding that he wanted to join Chelsea rather than Manchester United.
“I spoke with Abramovich, he is very simple and loves football,” Hazard said. “We were on the same wavelength, he wants to confirm Chelsea’s position at the top. Chelsea have made a good investment for me but I did not put any pressure on them.”
“I’ve always said I wanted to play in England. There was a struggle between Chelsea and United, but according to me Chelsea has the best project,” Hazard said.
“I was in advanced contact with both clubs and I spoke to both coaches. I want to be playing in the Champions League every year.
“When they won the Champions League, I told myself: ‘Why not Chelsea?’ The team is young and I have a better chance to play there.
“At 21, Real Madrid or Barcelona would have been more difficult for me. If I play well enough at Chelsea, I could win my place in the starting team and my priority is to play.”
What he actually said !
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“I spoke with Abramovich, he is very rich and loves money,” Hazard said. “We was in the same Barclays Branch, he wants to keep my bank balance high. I have made a good investment for me and I enjoy the rich lifestyle.”
“I’ve always said I wanted to buy a big house in West London. There was a no choice between Chelsea and United, but according to Forbes Chelsea has the richer owner,” Hazard said.
“I was in advanced contact with both clubs and I spoke to both coaches, but Chelsea have no Coach. I want to be playing in the Champions League every year. Manchester are 2nd and 1st, Chelsea are 6th, I like this. This mean Manchester can guarantee me Champions League although money from Chelsea can compensate me.”
“When they won the Champions League, I told myself: ‘Why Chelsea?’ The team is shit and I have a better chance to earn more there”
“At 21, Real Madrid or Barcelona would not pay good money for me. If I get paid well enough at Chelsea, I could get a really high overdraft limit and spend money everyday at Harrods.”
Tom C, Kawabunga, and maybe Petrucci will help link up MF and the forwards
Like Papii saidbRooney asked to do that all the time, looked lost at times. With these lads look the fuck out!! Then. Rooney atb times during the game drift back deeper and let them attack. TC to Kawabunga. Rooney started his run when TC first saw he was getting the ball. Wazza makes eye contact with Kawa drifts out left making space for Shinghi’s run then Waza oneb 2 a give and go!!! GOALLLLLLLLLLLLL!!.
man i hope we sign kagawa… this video is too good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4Ol-1huJL4
Wakey @ 01:02: “51% is a good figure (as is Reals and even Bayerns isn’t too bad) I suspect much of the increasing debt they have rolling up is more to do with the bank loans which in reality they aren’t expected to pay back.”
Yeah, but…. The situation has changed since the Spanish economy/banks went into meltdow-mode. What will be interesting is if/when those banks not only demand repayment and/or much, much higher interest rates to reflect the real-world value of their loans.
I’m lost why nobody wants MUFC to sign that Danny Welbeck kid. He is from Manchester, grew up a RedDevil fan. He looks like a smart, qiuck big and hungry beast on the rise?
Kelly who? Who’s Kelly? United > England
I’m just wondering what TheWayneBoy thinks about Woy’s treatment of his running-buddy ? AND what can RedNev be thinking about ?
These two guys are really in the cross-hairs due to what must be very, very divided loyalties.
Mansuy KAWABUNGA DUDE! Him TC, Tony V. Nani, Young
What would Danny Wellbeck cost?
What would Lil Pea cost now some 25 National. Goals since he was signed?
SMALLING not so small as 10 million.
Evans after the year he had if he was a Spur? How much for him?
TOM was flying high untill fucking cunt Davis chopped him down, still an English player SAF said was theBritin some 8 months back? A NICE pay out for him as well.
As some panic for whore gö for Rübëls.
Morning reds around the world,
Papii,
very funny that ” what he actually said”,
anyway, fuck Hazard, he will know the price for picking Roman over Sir Alex..
God, speaking those 2 names in the single sentence is a crime in itself..
Good day reds..
Thanks for the mention guys !
My team Ireland drew 0-0 with Hungry
Oh well, at least Sheasy is fit for the Euro’s and Gibbo is in the squad 
Another to blame 
Off to bed …. in the morning
How I love this weekend !
Sat – day off
sun – day off
mon – bank holiday
tues – bank holiday = day orrfff
Although it has been a while, but The Blues has gotten their hand on Hazard. I am still wondering when we will heard news of our signings. Although there are lots of news about Kagawa, but I am still not sure if paying 15-20 million for him would be worth it since that is quite a lot. Plus, United is not totally rich like City and Blues, paying that kind of sum for each player might bring the total to 60 million if we bought 3 players.
The arrogance is gob smacking! This idea that if Man Utd express an interest then how dare anyone go elsewhere. Get over yourselves Man Utd fans!!
Papii..
that is a super long weekend..
i m jealous you bugger
“Wherever you go in the whole world whether you don’t know the language of the country, just say Manchester United” — Martin Tyler
any fuckers alive? or am i the only one left on this planet?
signs for Chelsea after leading on arsenal, tottenham, city and united, then says he would have wanted to go to real madrid or barca but no playing time, says he would be open to a move to PSG in the future.
Media: “Mr.Hazard! Are you excited about the London derbies?”
Hazard: “What? There are other football teams in London?” xD
Redhound,
He is just yet another mercenary cunt..
Morning mate..good day
Sandeep, you are not alone.
what a comedy show chelsea are becoming…tintin, the hulk, sideshow and of course, the cunt!!
Morning Sandeep, its morning in India right?
Off point, i’d say Borrusia Dortmund were the most entertaining team last season for me, i mean stylish attractive football.
Mercenary;
1. Motivated solely by a desire for monetary or material gain.
2……is “motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party”
So if a hyped unproven winger comes in and expects to earn more than Valencia and Nani, that effectively makes him a mercenary.
Redhound,
Yeah its morning in India mate
United.George
Hello pal, yup its a circus there..
Morning Sandeep, and others.
The Internet is flooded with expert opinions like “Lets ‘do’ Modric+Bale for 40 mil and Nani. I love Nani but he is too inconsistent – Bale is better”.
You just can’t beat stupid.
Morning Jeet,
That’s rubbish..
lot of news surrounding Nani and his future,
given his mixed performances, the OT faithful is divided and most glory hunters want him out..
i say it again, we havent got the best of nani yet..not just yet..
Shinji Kagawa, who is reportedly close to a deal with Manchester United, said he was annoyed about failing to score in Japan’s 3-0 drubbing of Oman in their World Cup qualifier at the weekend.
“It was frustrating because the three others on the frontline scored a goal each,”
“I must fight it out more in the penalty area,” added the 23-year-old, who did have a hand in each of the goals and registered three shots out of the team’s 17.
Japan coach Alberto Zaccheroni put J-League striker Ryoichi Maeda up front with CSKA Moscow’s Keisuke Honda behind him, a position usually played by Kagawa at Dortmund.
Kagawa, instead, was placed to the left of Honda with Stuttgart striker Shinji Okazaki to the right.
“I’m not a player who creates chances there. I could not move in further,” said Kagawa.
But Kagawa put his personal disappointment behind him.
“It was great that we won the opening (match) which I thought was important. I want to refocus on our next match which is coming soon,” he said.
Jeet,
Need a clarification mate,
Manchester United vs Juventus on 1st of August 2012 at Salt Lake Stadium, Kolkata,
how true is that?
WOW, havent heard anything at all about it. I did hear rumors that they are planning to bring a Barca team. I have friends there who are well connected with the stadium authorities – gimme a day or two and I’ll find out. If it’s true, I’m booking my tickets
Sandeep and Jeet, It looks like there is more than a hint of truth in that.
http://www.indianfootballnetwork.com/blog/2012/06/05/manchester-united-vs-juventus-in-kolkata/
I will definitely take a hard look at making it if it is true. Don’t know how the situation will be and it will probably clean me out with the flight tickets, accomodation costs and the match tickets itself. But this is just for one day and it is probably the closest I am going to come to Manchester United for the foreseeable future.
Jeet, if it true and if you know when the bookings begin, please let us know. I will confirm soon whether I can make it or not.
Jeet, Balaji,
Thanks for the info guys
Morning dear REDS!
A got a couple of things to say, but first things first…
1) My Sky Sports bird is on again….2 days in a row….it must be Christmas somewhere in the world (and by that, i meant my pants
)
2) we truly need a new thread. God, I hate the summer break
3) Kagawa seems like a classy fella and hopefully we secure his signature soon. Hazzard is a drama queen.
4) Can the Media please stop talking about “the RIO row”? Fucking snooze fest!
5) I miss United
Sandeep, Balaji: I made a couple of ph. calls, and here’s the situation:
Madan Mitra, the Sports Minister has said that a decision is expected around June 12 on the teams’ availability. The big risk is that Salt Lake infrastructure has deteriorated big time, and many top teams might not be ok playing there. Net-net, we will know more in a weeks time. My friends (all mad Red fuckers) network is on “high alert”, and we will get to know as soon as ticket sales go live, hopefully a couple of days earlier. Will keep you guys posted.
Fuck me, I’m already feeling so excited!!!
Jeet, if this happens, then we should have a RoM meet-up or something.
@Sid29: Absolutely. I even have an empty flat in Kol, if you are looking for a cheap party venue
Jeet,
Thanks for the info..
we will see how it goes..
You have just the empty flat or few girls there as well?
Jeet- DIBS ON YOUR FLAT
@Sandeep: Typical Indian neighbourhood, mate – people there know me since before I could wank, so forget smuggling in girls
Jeet- you have friends in Calcutta, if you can’t swing a ticket for me I will come there and kill you anyway lol. I reckon I have a place to stay, my best friend is in college there, this is brilliant.
I hope this happens so fucking badly. Chance to see United live? I’m pouncing on it. Fuck fuck fuck please make this happen.
…But stag do would be absoluteoly awesome
@theboogeyman: Tickets will be available easily off the net, man. Till a year back, I could have got you tickets easy enough – trouble is all my friends are Reds (in more ways than one, if you get my drift) and ever since the regime changed to green, getting tickets is a real, real pain. If you have any trouble getting tickets through normal channels though, let me know – I still might be able to swing it.
Jeet,
Ha ha…
cheers mate,
out for lunch and then straight to home from this bloody office
laters..
Reds agree Kagawa transfer
Manchester United is delighted to announce that it has agreed terms with both Borussia Dortmund and Shinji Kagawa for his transfer to the Club.
The deal is subject only to the player medical and obtaining a UK work permit. These conditions are anticipated to be completed by the end of June.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jun/manchester-united-agree-shinji-kagawa-transfer.aspx
FINALLY!!!!
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jun/manchester-united-agree-shinji-kagawa-transfer.aspx
Welcome to United Shinji Kagawa !
The sun is rising on a new era of dominance. Come on United!
Jeet, Uh oh, I completely understand what you’re saying. And of course, there have been a few problems out there in the past year under the new regime.
I am with theboogeyman on this one. I want this to happen so badly. This might be the one chance we get to see United live for the foreseeable future and I am not going to miss out on that. No matter what the cost, I will be there if it is finalized.
The other idea I would give is if there are enough of us ROM guys, then we can send the money to one person and let them book the tickets. That way we all get to meet up and sit in the same stands which would be just fucking awesome.
Damn, I have butterflies in my stomach at the mere thought itself. Please God, make this happen!
hehe i kept looking for the r and n in the man united till i was convinced it wasnt fake
RedHound
Same here! I checked it 3 times!
Albert Ross, That is fucking brilliant mate.
I haven’t seen this guy a lot but everywhere I hear (especially from trusted Reds on ROM), this guy has the potential to be a brilliant signing. No value in the market. Pfft, as long as we keep getting gems like this, I don’t care about the marquee players we supposedly miss out on.
Of course, this is by no means done. The work permit issue did crop up somewhere saying he didn’t have enough games for Japan to attain a WP. Don’t know how much truth there is in that. Having said that, I think both of those issues are trivial in the larger scheme of things. The biggest obstacles – agreement between the clubs, the player’s terms, the agent’s terms – have been overcome.
Welcome to the best club in the world, Kagawa!
Albert and Redhound, LOL! I did the same thing as well. Are we getting paranoid in the transfer season?
United agree Kagawa deal!
http://tinyurl.com/cc4j29k
Welcome Ninja man.
Balaji, considering some of the transfer rumour cons that have been pulled off lately am super paranoid right now!!
Absolutely brilliant day. Prospect of watching united in the flesh, and kagawa joining. Makes me wonder, is today a good day to tell the boss what I really think about him?
Looks like we got Kagawa!
Welcome aboard Shinji. Now for a DM and a full back.
www1 (dot) skysports (dot) com/football/news/11668/7795449/Eden-prefers-Chelsea-project
Look at this dick. I mean, I was silent for a long time but the way he has gone about it has really gotten on my nerve. And no, I am not pissed that he didn’t choose United. I am pissed because he epitomizes the perspective of young players in football. He chose Chelsea because they had the better prospect and a “young” team. What “young” team? What with Terry, Lampard etc.? And what do United have, an “old” team? We had the lowest average age till some of our youngsters got injured?
I don’t care what people say but we really did dodge a bullet here. Look at the way Kagawa has gone about his deal and then look at Hazard. I know who I want playing for Manchester United.
At last…Welcome to MUFC Shinji!
This lad looks a real baller! Been watching some youtube hits…he looks a real talent.
Looking forward to watching him over the years in a United shirt. Good luck mate!
GET IN…hopefully its the start of a couple more players coming in
Welcome Shinji… Hopefully you can shine at the Theatre of Dreams!!
Balaji Sivaraman – Shinji Kagawa is a dream signing!
He has all the characteristics we love to see in a United player.
He wants us, we want him; this match is made in heaven for the Theatre of Dreams.
Wonderful signing, well done United! Well done Sir Alex!
Stating the obvious here, but Terry shouldn’t be in that Euro squad. Obviously Rio should be there because his understudy is. The whole thing stinks. Heard Reading’s striker is doing great things tackling racism and he’s spoken up about this but good god it’s so obvious that regardless of any racism issues (which the cunt is guilty of) there is a blatant fact that no papers are discussing and that’s that nobody likes the cunt!
You take Terry out of that squad and even before you replace him it’s a stronger squad with people who want to be there because he’s a cunt that nobody likes! God I detest the bastard as much as Thatcher.
Morning.
Was afraid it was all a rumor, stupid silly season. A a huge hearty welcome to our newest Samurai.
Great deal for united , should sell a few millions shirts next season!!!!!!
Welcome to Manchester United Shinji Kagawa.
Welcome to united Shinji. Great buy for us. He will make our game more quicker. Come onn lets make a kagawa chant
Shinji kagawa is now the number one(most trending) topic on twitter.
Viva kagawa
Viva kagawa
We bought the lad from japan
He is the fucking man
Viva kagawa
Great signing and the first of a few . Right move on from Hazard folks.
ugh not another midfielder.
Welcome Shinji! I bet he’s over the fooking moon. Imagine being him today! Fuck having more than enough money – have more than enough and wear our red.
Always said he’s a good un. ahem.
Anyone got any youtube vids?
Cheers.
Welcome to Manchester United!
Bloody overjoyed – guys a top, top player.
Opinion from moxdevil ex RoM forum:
“I don’t think that he [Kagawa] meets the criteria for a Tier 2 Sports visa at the moment – i’ve worked out that he only played in 66% of Japan’s competitive games if you include the 2010 WC squad that he wasn’t part of. Either they will have a panel hearing for him or the club will just wait until the end of the month to make the application at which point the WC 2010 games will no longer be part of the last 2 year period assessed and he will meet (the criteria) automatically.”
Welcome to Manchester United, Shinji Kagawa! This should lessen our midfield problems!
The fee is around 12-16m. Its a freaking steal!
BUT, have we sold Nani yet? He’s so inconsistent…
Excellent news on Kagawa the perfect addition, come on SAF lets add Modric and that is the perfect summer.
My mood has elevated. Shinji shinji shinji.. kagawa, to make hazard look like a TWATawa!!
Pretty decent start to my birthday! Shinji!!!
Morning Reds,
Good luck Mr Kagawa, welcome to the greatest club in the world.
Nice to get some business done, sounds like a top buy. Why look at players from the premiership when you can steal them from abroad, I know it’s a gamble but the German league is a decent league and he’s more than proved himself there. Bet he’s asked for a bit less a week than Sneijder too!
There’s only one: Shinji Kagawa , it’s got a nice ring to it don’t you think
MrKirie- Happy birthday pal
When Shinji goes marching down down the wing Shinji Shinji
When shini goes marching down the wing the republik of mancunia rejoice and sing
we all know that Shinji’s gonna score……
He plays on the left he plays on the right…………
Our boy Shinji makes Hazard look shite……
Time for a Shinji thread!. SAF got his man afterall! Best news I’ve heard for a while.
Kagawa reminds me very much of Kaka in his prime. Kagawa like kaka is also an attacking midfielder which we lacked in past few seasons. I have very high hopes of him. I can bet if kagawa was an european or a south american then everyone would have praised him.
Morning all
Great news on Kagawa, welcome to United son.
Giggs12 – Good ones mate
How come he did not go on Twitter and say he was going to Manchester , London Spain Paris . I know why because he is not a egotistical twat
Superb signing!
Fuck off those who were telling him to fuck off on here when he said that he had to think about it. It was most likely instructions from United telling him to keep a lid on the whole transfer…
Hodgson has texted the player (Rio) to assure him he wants him to be part of his future plans. He has also made it clear to the FA that the vastly-experienced Manchester United defender can still be part of his World Cup qualifying campaign for Brazil in 2014, which begins in September.
No quotes at:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/rio-ferdinands-england-snub-roy-862765
Samurai 7
Morning pussies
Morning Mrkirie and a very happy birthday!
Giggs12
Nice tuneage, I hope he gets a song faster than Valencia!!
Albert
I believe we’ll have to go to tribunal for his work permit but we did it with Anderson who I think had played fewer internationals??
Someone mentioned on twitter that if united wanted to make a financial killing they should give him the number 8 shirt! They’d fly off the shelves in Japan.
Welcome to Manchester United Shinji Kagawa! Absolutely chuffed with this news.
Back to work now! Have a great day fellow REDS!
Morning all, and what a great morning it is!
Finally after the announcement of Kagawa signing does it feel like we’re preparing for a new season. Firstly let me just say that there is no such guarantee that any new player signing for any team in the world will bring success untill they have proved it on the pitch for their new club by winning trophies. So those hung up on Hazard just remember Schevchenko, Torres, Carrol, Veron, Reyes and even the boy wonder Francis Jeffers all failed to live up to their billing as TOP players, and these are just a few to name.
However the signing of Kagawa does not carry the same weight of all those transfers, and instead Kagawa who was courted by many clubs (fact) has signed for a club that he truly above wants to play for. I read growing up he was a Man Utd fan, what more do you want from a player pulling on your club shirt? At a time in football where loyalty means nothing its important to have players who genuinely want to play for the club rather than for money, this is a characteristic needed from every new signing because as David Gill said, when we sell the club to a player, we sell our history because our history is second to none! Anyone who cant buy into that, doesn’t fit the bill, WHOEVER they maybe.
I try to avoid Youtube but a article i read earlier had a link to Kagawa’s best bits and honestly I am very impressed, having had my head stuck up Hazards arse for past 6 months Ive not paid much attention to Kagawa, but boy is he good. First impressions, very quick on and off the ball, can use either foot, great ball control, take players on and beat them in a Tony V way, good finisher foot or head, good at shooting from distance, and a good playmaker set up Lewandoski many times last season and pulls off the odd ball trick here and there. Possible new #7? Let you guys decide..
Shinji welcome to the Theatre of Dreams!!
Mike Kelly
No 8 is Andersons shirt we couldnt take a number from a pivotal player
When hazard says Chelsea have the best project , he’s referring to investment more than the club philosophy. I do , on reflection think him not signing for us is fie the best.
@mike i know in china the number 8 is seen as lucky , not sure about japan it may very well be
Shinji No 8
Modric No 7
Miaow Mikekelly12 !
By all accounts that tribunal will be a formality, and we aren’t rushed anyway, as it’s the beginning of the window, and our pre-season is weeks away. Shinji will soon be enthralling us all, as he has been his countrymen, and he will surely have a great commercial future in his own right. A global icon on the lines of Beckham, methinks. Does he play in No. 8 for Japan, that you say it would suit his longer-term admirers?
Dou itashimashite Shinji Kagawa (-_-)
FIRSTLY…fuck england, rio never worry u concentrate on united, england dont deserve u
SECONDLY….welcome to manchester(nearly)kagawa-son, looking forward to sein u strut ur stuff along with clev and ando in uniteds midfield(yes im a fan of ando and believe he has a great future at united, if injury free..to many anderson critics for my likin)also believe fergie will sign another midfielder if the target he wants can be got…nuri sahin i hope…god imagine those 2 in united midfield….IMMENSE…
and LASTLY…despite what some may say, fair play to hazard. he made a tough decision going to chelsea, he thought his chances would be better there and he has to be respected for that. if chelsea hadnt won the champions league then no doubt he would be strutin it at old trafford but it wasnt to be..he admitted it was a hard decision between us and chelsea(notice he wasnt swayed by citehs fortunes)so good on ya…now we move on and im delighted we got kagawa-son…over the moon
Kagawa, Kagawa wherever you may be, eating sushi in your own country!
also cant believe we let pogba slip away…gutted and im sure fergie feels the same
A selection of Kagawa video-clips:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2154804/Shinji-Kagawa–need-know-VIDEOS.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Kagawaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m not that excited…………..
Welcome to Manchester United fella. May the magic flow, from both feet! Oh ah Kagawa, oh ah Kagawa! 
Pogba was vastly overrated, United fans have a habbit of raising a players profile before being proven. Cleverly is the same, i love his performances thus far but he has gotten better with every game he has missed as he have wanted him to make it so much.
Pogba and espicially Ravel will spend a couple of years on more money and then realise what Fergie was saying all the time, play well and the money will come to you.
PS – How has that moved turned out for you Ravel, moded from Manchester to East London and not even played for the ressies yet.
Albatross
He plays 10 for Japan and plays it very well I might add.
Dasilvatwins
Yes mate, it is thought of as an extremely lucky number in both China and Japan. A bit of useless trivia, the most expensive number plate in the world was a single number 8! Think I saw that on a barclays advert!!
Giggs12
Yeah, give him Ando’s 8 shirt. I think Modric may get 7 but think with Kagawa deal done we should be in the Market for a Toure more than a modric? Get Clyne in and Cavani too and we’ve cracked it. If Cavani don’t come get Lewondowski!!
Cavani? Can’t see united splash 40m£ on a striker.
not in a million years. Rooney or Welbeck will be 1st choice next season.
GIGGS12BALLBAG0
with reference to ravel he was an arsehole regardless of the talent he had..fergie stood by hime through all his shit and he just pissed into the wind..he will b a talent no doubt but thats down to his attitude
Pogba on the other hand WAS a fantastic young player who in my opinion wasnt givin enough oppotunities, there were many a game he could have played or came of the bench wen we were cruisin…fergie himself said the boy was immense and he wanted him to stay, i just think fergie wreckond that bein at united was enough to make him want to stay but hes french not a manc. fergie has made a mistake and he knows it…should we go mad!!!!of course not, how can u at argubly the greatest EVER..hes amde a mistake but we all do from time to time good thing for us is he hardly ever does so yes im gutted that pogba is goin but just like always we move on and sum1 else will step up…maybe we tunniclife who i really like, there are some unbelievable young players at united…wee matts dehli is another smasher so we will b good to go…as for pogba we will only no the real answer in several years time wen hes either a world star or just another flip flop
Zelh
I know pal, just a wish list, never happen I know. Although if and when Berba moves on and with Owen gone another Striker is needed. Lewondowski is a decent player and more in our price bracket.
KungfooKing
Mate completely agree on Pogba but he was definately overrated until proven in my book. There is no better man manager than SAF if he thought he was ready he would have played more. I watched him a lot in the ressies, great ability but certainly not ready. I would say he should have played against Blackurn though when we had Raf and Park in there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7qMwwEJ9wY&feature=related
Finally …
Kagawa
Is
Here
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-want-nick-powell-the-crewe-862573
I thought young Nick was in the bag as well?
We don’t want these theiving bastards nicking our prospects…
Cavani?????
At the expense of Wellbeck and Hernandez? We need a player who is happy to play little rotation, just throwing out there without much thought but someone like Defoe for me.
Lewandowski won’t leave Dortmund.
No key player will.
We just need a striker who’s happy to play here and there.
Maybe Defoe?
Don’t like him but as a 4th striker? Why not.
Agree mostly with all on Pogba. Great potential, not 100% ready yet, but defo should have been given more game time.
@Mike: Are we REALLY after Modric? Agree with you – I’d rather have a Toure type to got with Carrick, rather than Modric. Imagine:
Carrick-Monster
Nani/TonyV Kagawa Young/nani
Rooney
Forget a striker or an LB signing, if we get the “monster” on top of Kagawa, I will be very, very happy with the summer’s business.
GIGGS12BALLROOT0
i defo see ur point mate the only thing i would say was listening to fergie talk about him on air it was as if he new he messed up and was sorta like trying to convince the player his future was at united by going public……doesnt look to have worked and so we move on…..
hopin we get at least another 2 players in however i wreckon fergie is gona maybe play kagawa in behind rooney alot meaning if berba goes then we arnt really desperate for a stiker as wee welbz is gona be a smasher and i love little chicho but he will almost definatly sign another midfielder as he was gona sign hazard aswell..hoping it could be modric as he would be an unbelievable signing and ppl who say it wont work with him and kagawa r wrong…if u can keep the ball moving quickly like we used to do then there is no real need for a defensive midfielder plus carrick can always accomadate that role as he is pritty good at intercepting play…whats ur take on that mucker!!!!
Giggs12
Rooney, Cavani, Welbz and Chico. I’ve had a word with Cavani and he’s cool with the rotation! Defoe’s a duche bag, wouldn’t want him in our famous gingham check!
Jeet
While you wait for SAF to find his monster midfielder you can always listen to Kanye West. Fucking awsome tune
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg3t8P4fk38
Zelh
“Lewondowski won’t leave Dortmund.
No key player will”. I think you’ll find Kagawa was a key player and Lewondowski and Subotic are the only two key players yet to agree new contracts with Dortmund.
Jeet
Just rumours at the moment based on stories last season and this week and the fact that spurs are sniffing around players in the modric mould as replacement. You never know though as we are supposed to have spoken to Fulham regarding Dembele who spurs had targeted as a replacement for modric so fuck knows!
Berba and 15m for Modric………..It could happen
Mikekelly12 – Well Kagawa never made a fuss about his dream going to the PL. Dortmund knew about it from the beginning. They will fight with everything they’ve got for their players.
As much as I want Modric, I just can’t believe it will happen.
Welcome Shinji Kagawa.
Zelh/giggs12
I dont really want Modric but I do think it will happen!
http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/richard-keys-and-andy-gray/120605/honigstein-kagawa-man-united-mouth-watering-prospect-173692
Kagawa!
This Martin Kelly must be quality getting a call up ahead of Rio and Richards?! We should sign him too!
Shinji stay or Shinji go now,
Shinji stay there will be trouble,
Shinji play then we’ll score double
So come on and let me know
Shinji Kagawa he scores goals!
@David_TPL: Saw my mate the other day, said to me seen an Asian Pele, so I asked who is he, he goes by the name of Shinji.
Manchester United have signed Sushi to help Kagawa settle in
SAF: I am a big fan of sushi especially California roll and they will help Kagawa no doubt about that.
David Gill: With Sony digital full colour I can shoot beautiful pictures as the chef intended.
Gday United
Great at least everyone will be happy now around here!
But where is Neymar!!!
12million
32 million
Austerity measures fuck yeah get in
Better player as well!
Kagawa Is a good signing but is he world class ? Sadly no and that’s the problem, if real, barca, city or chelsea want the same player as us we will simply loss out. It’s all about money,forget about history and tradition.
Kagawa not world class? That’s a bold statement. He’s the best player in the German league and the German league doesn’t fuck about. If he was a photogenic white boy from Spain or England people would be hyping him through the roof and we’d be paying twice as much. He’s a proven talent and I think he’ll do brilliantly for us.
George Joseph
Is Hazard world class?
@George Joseph: I won’t get into what defines “world class” but you can hardly say that the Bundesliga player of the year is not good enough. A player who makes it very clear that he isn’t interested in any other club once he hears of United’s interest – and automatically you say he is not good enough because other clubs arent interested. Its circular logic – we don’t get a Hazard, he’s top class because we didn’t get him and chelsea did. We get a player, then automatically he’s not good enough BECAUSE we got him and chelsea/city/madrid/barca didn’t. Silly reasoning mate, if you ask me. Have you seen Kagawa in action? He’s been damn good, against top opposition like Bayern.
Hazard is potentially world class, he young but no doubt has the ability to be world class .
Is kagawa any better that young,nani or valencia
There’s always one…………
@denton davey
It won’t effect Real or Barca just yet. Their current loans will most likely be protected and even if they aren’t the banks won’t dare increase rates or call them in because that would bring the wrath of both Local and National Government as well as the Spanish Royals
The bank loans usually get given as part of the presidential campaigns, the Presidential candiates have to have funding guarenteed that will be enough to fund their plans so which is what ends up funding their splurge on players after after presidential campaign. So If the banks do change their policy (which i’m not sure they will fully) it won’t be for a few years imho
@George Joseph: I would be very surprised if he’s deployed as a winger….
Again, how many times have you watched him play?
George Joseph
You are full of shit
Hazard is potentially world class but Kagawa isn’t when he has performed in a higher league with better players in his team and the opposition creating as much or as more?
Is Hazard better than Young Nani or Valencia?
More to the point – Is Kagawa different to Young Nani and Valencia?
I think you need to compose yourself here before you get ripped into shreds for arguments that have no foundation
George joseph can barely define what world class means?. So what’s world class? is it term given to a player who flirts with all european heavy weight because he’s egotistic or is it given to players that make the crucial difference with quality passes and goals? that influence the team with their presence?. Has kagawa been doing this for dortmund? well look at his impact in his two season there and decide. People are entitled to their opinion but some chat a lot of bollocks. New midfield signing and you’d think we’re all excited but clearly Not.
@Samuel: I think Georgie Boy here believes we have bought Kagawa because we are going to sell Nani
George Joseph
Choosing “real or barca” is hardly ignoring history and tradition.
You prefer Hazard to Kagawa.
Perhaps you should watch him closely as he dazzles for Chelsea and Belgium.
You can tell us every time he scores, assists or plays well enough to prove you right. Yay.
What car does he drive? Does he have good dress sense? I’ve not heard Eden speak, does he have a lovely voice? How enchanted are you?
ps Kagawa signed for United! Fuck yeah!
Geeorge Joseph
Are you on drugs pal?
Well time will tell on how good kagawa will be at united.
@George Joseph : Well, then let’s wait for Time now, shall we?
PS: You still haven’t answered my question – barring youtube, how many times have you watched Kagawa play?
ShinjiKagawa £16m 38 lg&cp apps Dortmund,17 gls 10 assts EdenHazard £32m 41 apps Lille, 20 gls assts (including 9 pens) 17 assists. Stats don’t tell us everything but I would argue there isn’t much in it. Difference between the two players is one has a world class attitude, the other doesn’t.
Time will tell on how good George Joseph will be for United.
I’m betting: not so good, and not for much longer either. Any takers?
fuck all to do with football and all about that racist twat terry.
simple
lets kick out racism, what a load of shit.
the FA do sweet fa about terry and then terrys day in court is moved until after the euro’s
surprise surprise Rio is excluded from the squad whilst some no mark takes his place its a fucking disgrace
if it wasn’t Rio’s brother terry had abused he would have been included
this shit gets more and more ridiculous!
@George Joseph
Is Kagawa really the man to take United to the next level?
Only time will tell but I think we will need more than just one signing in midfield to change it up a bit.
I think the time for Anderson may be coming to an end. Hasn’t developed as well as Ronaldo or Nani since he arrived. I’m hoping we bring in somebody like Martinez or Gaitan. Technically gifted players who can keep possession and pass the ball well.
I hope kagawa will be amazing and I hope to eat my words. But I feel he is in same calibre of player that we are currently complaining about are at the club.
Oh…. And £16m. I’d sooner have 2 Kagawas than 1 hazard!
“Is kagawa any better that young,nani or valencia”
These are the kind of arguments that really get into my skin. What? Now Young, Nani and Valencia aren’t good enough for you. They certainly are good enough for Sir Alex Ferguson since he keeps playing them week in and week out. They certainly are good enough to provide us with some important assists and goals this season. And they certainly are good enough to take us to the title in an injury-ridden season?
If Kagawa is “just as good” as those three, then count me satisfied because we are getting a very good player who “wants” to wear the Red shirt and who wants to play for Manchester United.
But that is not the truth. From what I’ve seen, which admittedly is very little, Kagawa is a very good playmaker. He is good with both feet, has great vision for a pass and has great one-two touch link-up play. All qualities that we lacked last season once Cleverley got injured. As Denton said a few weeks back, he is the replacement for the Old Ginger Ninja (to borrow from our Canadian friend). The mid-fielder who can link up with our forwards and who can arrive in the box to score crucial goals.
So, Kagawa is probably going to be a better fit for what United want right now. And by all measures he might just be a better player than those three as well, especially in the European stage.
You’ve indirectly stated that you aren’t satisfied with three of our most important players which itself is a highly debatable issue? So where exactly does your problem lie?
United agree terms with Keanu Reeves
These words from SAF helped seal the deal;
“I can only show you the door. You’re the one that has to walk through it.”
“Have you ever had a dream, Shinji, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?
Join us Shinji, live your dream”
GEORGE MICHAEL
only time will tell how good he will be at united…..mate that same line can be used for any player that signs wether it be clyne, kagawa or messi….
the bottom line is kagawa-son signed for united hazard didnt. we should be talking about a player that quite frankly united have lacked for a few years, infact these are exactly the type of players that have flourished at united and went on to be a major part of previous united teams….did u ever here of van nistlerooy???jaap stam(b4 world cup)RONALDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!….valencia was just another player b4 he signed for united was he not!!!!!and there are many more who can be mentioned aswell…who says hazard will be better than kagawa-son!!!!!!not me….kagawa-son is EXACTLY what we need and im over the moon so george i would like to say on behalf of republic of mancawsomness!!!!!!!!!!!!U AINT GOOD ENOUGH FOR SUSHI SAN………………………………
Well said old friend!
Jeet
I think we can assume the answer to your question is very little, if not never!
Papii
You forgot the pill line
Maybe you can endeavour George Joseph with one
1st signing of the season is done. Welcome Shinji. Hopefully, we will be able to see how he play in United’s first friendly match. Now, I am wondering who will be SAF’s second pick… Buying early will at least give the players some time to get together and adapt themselves in new environment.
QUALITY………….
Just had a stupid ass scouse supporting gypsy say to me “that proves united havent got the funds, signing a player before he makes a name for himself at the euro,s”……….because of him it hurts wen i shit!!!!!!
George Joseph
Yours is exactly the kind of mentality i was talking about on a recent thread.
Judging a girl according to how many boys want her. I wont dive into that again right now.
But if(as i assume) you know squat about Kagawa, wait to see him play before you say he’s not world class.
I’d like to think the fairly strong German League is second to, if not on par with the premier league in terms of overall quality and that along with La Liga, they are the three best leagues in the world and that any player named as the best in that league is world class.
Kagawa is a top class player; if played in his position.
I can’t wait to see Neymar at the Euro’s
manutd .com speaks to Japanese football journalist Koki Harada, of Tokyo Chunichi Sports, about United’s newest recruit:
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jun/shinji-kagawa-can-be-a-star-for-manchester-united-says-journalist-koki-harada.aspx
Well, that’s that one sown up then.
I think Kagawa was our target all along. Hazard/Gaitan were just red herrings. Chelsea even fell for the big one. And I don’t even think Hazard is that good. Plenty of tricks and goals/assists against lesser sides but not a big game player and can’t handle it when the opposition make it physical.
Kagawa remains full of beans whatever the weather, and is very much a team asset (rather than one player playing for themselves).
I’m very intrigued to find out how SAF integrates Kagawa into the side (assuming he is destined for the same 11 as Welbeck/Rooney/Cleverley etc.).
I don’t think anyone on this blog (definitely not me) is saying kagawa is that saviour to all our midfield problems, we could do with another one or two or possibly keep pogba and promote from within as wel but fucking hell, we’ve all cried out for a new creative midfield players and kagawa is a bloody good start. He’s technically very good and may need time to embed into our philosophy but he’s no where near his peak, he’s already an influential key component and i can only see him hopefully progressing at united.
Jeet – why do some people assume we’ll discard nani or want to? they have lost their marbles if they assume united will want to weaken the team, it’s a no go fucking zone. It’s paramount that luis nani gets a new deal and hopefully that will be settled soon.
Let’s just sign unknown player and let him turn into world class
Wait done that so many times!
Let’s name Ronaldo for the sake of naming one
i wonder what the odds would be on neymar bein top scorer at the euro,s????????? wait here til i go ask my scouse friend!!!!!!! Hey bert come here a minute i need to ask u somthing!!!!!!
Some are content to be idiots. Lets leave them to it……….
Not many boys will be keen after Georgie has gorged on her pudding and pie.
@kungfoocantona
Pogba hasn’t left yet. All those reports today are based on a twiiter account, an account that actually isnt even Pogba. Hence why the Guardian’s story now says “Removed pending Investigation”
I’m not even sure he is even in Italy, one of the Italian Newspapers reported it and thats what the Joker on twitters jumped on.
I would actually be surprised if he signs for Juve just yet, theres calls for Seria A to be suspended for 2 seasons still, Juve are already shopping him around as part of their attempt to buy another Youngish Midfielder (Asamoah for example) and Juve already have a strong midfield so his chances of breaking into their first team any time soon seem limited so you would imagine that if he has half a brain cell he would wait to see how things go. At this moment due to his age and the fact United offered him a contract his current one just becomes a weekly rolling one so he would be daft to make rush into it
Neymar is a bitch in heat.
Shit, so Kagawa is not world class? We’ve been mugged
Kagawa has TWO great feet, as comfortable on hisleft as he is on his right!
What’s the scores George Doors?
I think some people are getting caught up with the Ronaldo mentality. He is the “one”. He is the “one” who can make a difference. Simply because we’ve lost Ronaldo, they want “one” player who is worth 50 million and who can make a difference with “one” piece of quality. They think Hazard will be the “one”. They think Nani is not the “one”. They think Kagawa is not the “one”. Notice how many “ones” there were in those sentences.
I’d like these players to look at Manchester United circa 1999 and tell me how many “ones” there were in that team. Yup, you guessed it. None. There was no “one” in that team. There was just the team. XI players working their socks off and playing for each other. XI players who together played as “one”. XI players who individually might not have been able to produce magic, but when put together produced the most magic we’ve ever seen from Manchester United (not counting Giggs against Arsenal OFC).
This what Sir Alex is aiming to do again. This is what he has been aiming to do ever since we lost Ronaldo. Patrice Evra (or was it somebody else) said that when we had Ronaldo, it was brilliant but everything moved through him. It was Ronaldo this and Ronaldo that. It was never Manchester United. Sir Alex probably would’ve wanted to move away from being reliant on the “one”. Last season’s early stages were a perfect example of this. In fact, last season’s summer buys themselves were great proof of this. And the way he is going about this summer’s business is again a proof of his vision.
He wants players who can link together with the rest of the team and produce true Manchester United magic. Instead of one person taking all the plaudits. He wants the “team” to produce the goods on the pitch as XI players.
My guess is he wants his last great Manchester United team to mirror his greatest ever Manchester United team.
What sort of player is Kagawa and is he like any of the current United squad?
United have no similar players. He’s a bit like Samir Nasri or Luka Modric and creates lots of chances, but scores more goals than either of them. His best position is just behind the striker, where he played at Dortmund, but he can also play on the left, though he’s not the quickest of players. I can see Sir Alex tinkering with his formation to play him in a 4-3-2-1. It’s brilliant that he’ll get the chance to work with a wonderful midfielder like Paul Scholes.
Kagawa will offer solutions going forward, but he will also cause a change in tactics and a return to 4-5-1 I feel. That should help us stop leaking goals. It still doesn’t solve the problem we have in Fletcher’s absence though.
i doubt fergie wants to lose nani and neither do i or most united fans….i believe nani will stay and if we could just add an extra spice to the middle of the park aka luka poopa modric for example then i believe the question has been answered about united improving the midfield…infact i would say i would be a very good midfield with nani,young and valencia as wingers with kagawa being able to operate there also plus with carrick,fletch,ando,clev,ginger,giggsy,kagawa and(modric)then i believe that we would have one of the best united midfields in a while…………however im not saying modric will be coming but theres no doubt fergies a big fan and with the all likely hood of chelsea being out of the picture now…united should be able to get a good deal for him say in and around the 30 mill mark…daniel levy does drive a hard bargain and he has every rite to but he wanted to leave last year with a transfer request, they missed out on champions league again so u can bet he will want to leave this year…i wreckon fergie is just sitting in a bush camd up to the teeth then wen the time is rite he will pounce like a spider monkey and take home the prize………………….or so to speak
Thanks for the videos Albert. Lots of goals through the middle by the looks of it. Has a quick mind, great first touch, is good in tight spaces, accurate passer, watches other’s runs, can volley very well, acceleration, composure and creativity. Bet Rene is elated – all that training he has the lads doing where balls are repeatedly passed with pace into the area in order to sharpen player’s reactions to loose balls, scuffed clearances, rebounds etc. Imagine this new lad with his clever movement down the middle, looks like he wants the ball when he’s marked in the box and because of his awareness of other’s runs and skills mentioned above, you just know he’ll create things for us.
Imagine his tally with the crossing from Nani, Valencia and Young. Also our speedy Mexicano will find himself through on goal from a route 1 type through ball over the top, judging by some of those passes.
Like I said if kagawa was an european born or a south american then people would have praised the hell. Just because he is asian he is recognised as an average player. I say fuck off to those who think that way.
And kagawa is not a winger, he is an attacking midfield player. So he won’t compete with tony V, Young or Nani. It will be mouth watering to see Nani-Kagawa-Rooney combo or Valencia-Kagawa-Young Combo. Exciting times ahead.
Just stay fit and don’t get injured, then kagawa could have a great career at united.
BELIEVE
Thanks for highlighting that RedHound. I’d also like to emphasise that you can see Sir Alex tinkering with his formation to play him in a 4-3-2-1. That really stood out from the bland offerings of the day, in my view at least.
Any one else signed , it’s exciting maybe a forword or fullback . Just watched everthing there is on u tube he looks like an United player classy happy days
second MG on this issues..
When will Neymar sign the deal too…he can lend Rooney some hair…
apart from the hair comment, that would be a serious monster pairing… just in Captain Cunterry has decided to retired upon hearing the news…roman has decided to buy two luxury bus to put in the penalty box next season
xol – I’m looking forward to seeing Kagawa, Cleverley and Carrick in the midfield, with 2 (of our 3) wingers feeding Rooney (or Welbeck) in Europe.
hi Rom’ers
what a good day, Kagawa is the hottest topic on the web right now, how can it not be after you sign for the greatest club in the world. manage to get a vid of his 2010/11 season. ENJOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHjpJUECkKM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/7796120/Cabaye-shrugs-off-Red-Devils-talk
“There are rumours. I am following it a little,” he told France Football. “But I have four years remaining on my contract with Newcastle.
“Today I don’t want to know anything. That is what agents are for.”
He’s shrugged us off
Yes !
That means he acknowledges us
Which means we are in his mind’s thoughts
That means when the times comes….we can tempt him with the United Project.
So George reckons Hazard is world class & Kagawa isn’t?
Hazard shines in the French League, the same league that gave Arsenal a world class forward in Chamakh, and gave Real a top scorer in Benzema who has taken the Spanish League by storm?
And Kagawa plays in a shit league that a Bayern team that buys up all the good german players cannot win?
A lot of criticism has been aimed at United’s transfer dealings in recent years. Almost all our signings have been ones for the future. Potential stars rather than ready made stars.
In the last few years we’ve signed the best young goalkeeper in Europe, England’s future central defensive partnership, a Mexican striker that can’t stop scoring and two excellent Brazilian wingbacks,
Add to that the youth team products Evans, Cleverly and Wellbeck. The welcome addition of Shinji Kagawa. The more established stars like Nani, Valencia, Anderson and Young.
Rooney as the talisman coming to his peak.
With Vidic, Rio, Scholes, Giggs, Carrick and Park providing the experience.
Maybe one or two signings to come.
We could be on to something here.
And all dressed in tartan
Cue Papii overload
MG
SAF to Kaga-ONE !
“This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill – the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill – you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes
Remember… all I’m offering is glory & history. Nothing more. ”
“The transfer is not complete for the time being. I have yet to sign the contract,” Kagawa told Kyodo News after training with his national team on Tuesday.
“The team and I are fully focused on the next two games.
“It’s better if we talk about (the transfer) after those matches. I want to focus on playing well over the next few weeks.”
Papii
i am ABOSLUTLY DISGUSTED with united with reference to kagawa…..am i the only 1 whos disapointed??????????????????????????
cant believe they havent added his name to the shirt printing section….god dam u united……
SAF: We’ve survived by hiding from them, by running from them. But they are the Champions. They are guarding all the goals, they are holding all the cups. Which means that sooner or later, someone is going to have to fight them.
Kaga-wan: Some-Wan?
SAF: I’ve seen an Bitter shoot through a concrete wall; defenders have thrown themselves at them and hit nothing but air; yet, their strength, and their speed, are still based on a game that is built on rules. Because of that, they will never be as strong, or as fast, as *you* can be Shinji.
Marq. Didn’t say hazard was world said potential , nor did I say we should of signed hazard. Did not even compared him to kawaga. Simply arguing whether kawaga Would make a significant difference in our ability to compete at the highest level
@Albert Ross: IMO, Carrick-Cleverly-Kagawa may not be a great combo. Not the ideal balance between attack and defence. SAF as always, is building a squad. I think there are going to be three midfield roles.
1. The Shield – primarily defensive responsibilities, but also has some quality deep lying regista skills. Carrick. I hope he stays injury free.
2. The Energizer – strenth in running, strong defensively, but also provides a lot of energy going forward, and decent passing. Fletch/Ando. Given illness/fitness issues of those two, I think we need one more guy here. Maybe Pogba? Maybe Tunni? Maybe a new signing?
3. The Visionary – little defensive inclination/duties. Provides the link between midfield and forwards. Killer passing, skills on the ball, good touch and technique. Can score goals. Cleverly/Kagawa/Giggs.
What is interesting to note is that the genius of Scholes essentially enabled us to play 2 men midfield with good effect against most opposition because he, and he alone had the complete package – all the key elements from each of the 3 roles, and the perfect balance between attack and defence.
Someone wake Scott up, and tell him United signed an AM?
What Jeet said!
You’ll have to take the onus Willie, I’m still only halfway through the bong
Albert, Cleverly needs an injury free season this time. That’s all I ask for him, and I’ve no doubt he’ll shine in the European game. He’s developed an understanding with Welbeck during their years playing together and it’s only a matter of time before he better understands the Senior player’s movement. Regarding Shinji, in those videos it’s often him and the striker up front. Who knows what the boss has planned, but I immediately saw goals for Chicharito. With Scholes’ passing, you’d think Chicharito would be put though on goal around the half way line more often but with Paul playing further back (and 4-4-2), keeping things paced correctly whilst being pressured for possession, the out ball is often the winger. Like you say, play 3 there, keep the wingers and to be able to choose from Welbeck or Rooney as lone front man is a formidable side that is hard to beat. Additionally, a 4-4-2 with Hernandez and Shinji up top could be a stealth 4-5-1.
I can see this next season? DDG, Rafael Vidic Evans Evra, Carrick Clevs, Valencia Kagawa Young, Rooney.
Or? DDG, Jones Rio Vidic Evra, Ando Carrick, Nani Rooney Kagawa, Welbeck.
It’s a long season, and with our recent injury record, everyone will play their part.
Great possibilities! This is not accounting for anymore potential deals we may do.
So George, who in the world can we sign that will definitely bring us to the highest level? Ronaldo & Messi?
Good day everyone. I am extremely happy with the recent news. It’s only thee beginning. Fergie has laid down the gauntlet. It’s gonna be a GREAT SUMMER.
It’s worth remembering (if I remember correctly lol) that when we recently STUFFED BARCELONA in front of 80k+ mostly United fans at a neutral venue, it was Cleverly and Anderson in the middle.
Lets face it – 4-4-2 is what we do. It went out of fashion so long ago, yet it is still more entertaining. I personally love the idea of coaxing the opposition into the middle in order to spring the trap.
I wouold like to sum up the Kagawa deal for the pessimists amongst us or for people who do not know much about him.
Kagawa is not a winger, he is an attacking midfielder that due to his ability can also play left and wright. He is like a young Scholes ghosting into the box in perfect time. He has energy and ability and right now my laptop has just risen 6 inches whilst I am visioning a Kagawa, Valencia, Nani interchange as Carrick and Clev hold the fort behind them.
Believe and watch the best from Rooney this coming season, Ill say it once even though I have strong feelings about what he did, Wayne Rooney is the best player in the premiership and is by some distance.
Willie? Are you the oracle ?
I prefer a simple;
——————- — De Gea
Rafa ——-Vidic ———-Evans ——–Baines
——————–Carrick ————–Modric
——–Nani —————–Kagawa
——————-Rooney
——————————-Welbeck
With Scholes,Chicha,Valencia,Young, Clevs,Giggs all on the fucking bench !
apologies for all the typos above, typing whilst the k stand future is throwing his juice at me
Now a left back,secondry mid and a striker for insurance pity Torres is staying with Chelsea.Do that and wer’e good to go.
Still think we’ll see the 442 at times. Maybe more so in the premiership. I do think our poor European campaign has changed Fergie’s thinking formation wise. Kagawa’s best position is off the main striker. Just hope we don’t stick him on the wing. We have 3 top wingers already. Lets play the lad in his favoured role. Getting the best out of him in the process!
In Europe
DDG
Rafa Vida Evans / Smalling Evra
Carrick Jones
Tony V Shinji Nani
Rooney
Prem
DDG
Rafael Smalling/ Evans Vidic Evra
Tony Carrick Clev Young
Rooney Shini / Wellbeck / Hernandez
Its options options options people its fucking awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Papii – No mate, just Willie!
Another reason to love Kagawa =p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdZjZc41naw
For the pessimist ;
Continuing from Giggs12….the flaws I would point out are;
- Kagawa is not very fast….but fast like Giggs, Anderson,Modric,Parker,Kuyt, but faster than Milner,Fletcher, Arteta, Gerrard.
- He is kind of weak…he can adapt easily to beat off strong players sure, but in a tussle he’ll get beat or fouled, like Silva he knows how to avoid the physical fight.
- He’s crap out wide – trust me, i’ve seen him against Arsenal and a few other little games out-wide in the past and he’s doesn’t do much out there….as much as Park can be expected.
- He’s not a worker like Park but does have a similar “loose nutter” aura around him, ability wise better than Park….but dunno if like Park he can perform against the (Milans,Barca’s, Liverpools, Chelsea’s).
I guess we’ll find out
No doubt aboot it he’s a bargain
I’d rate him at £18-25m.
Giggs12
So where do we fit modric in???
Love a good pint and a shag I do
Mike12
Alongside Carrick as Clev has just been injured taking a piss and and Jones just got concusion running into a wall.
@giggs12Gerrard0, I severely hope we don’t see Jones playing in a defensive midfield position. We are going to turn him into Alan Smith if we’re not careful with making him a utility man. Jones should be given his chance to shine at centre back his natural position which he’s played least in!
To all the lovely starting combos being mooted, I say:
When you add a Kagawa, our hypothetical options have become so much sweeter!
Joffrey
will kindly have to disagree mate, Jones cant jump i flaw i pointed out on here in the u21 championships before United signed him. Jones is a great player and we should not be worried anout him being a utility player. He is a great right back, an excellnet defender, and a fantatic ball runner. He is strong athletic and can shift. Les rejoice we have a player that fits the bill in every way.
Breaking News
Shinji Kagawa interview translated by MG foreign languages – glad to be part of the global community
Kagawa san issa why no go to city or chelsea no?
MG san that the projects of the chelsea and the city were projects of the billionaire sans. Manchester of the United I go because believe in the Ferguson of Alex I do. Die of the United never will.
Kagawa san – issa welcome to the Manchester no?
MG san poster I no need of Kagawa the Shinji San – quietly I like to come and football I do.
Welcome to Manchester United Shinji Kagawa
Danke MG san
Mike12
Dude just saw your Shinji song and that my friend is fucking awesome…..that is k stand wonderment mate.
You are K and you know it, the crazy little fucker from down south and Gigg12 K stand crew, we are the singing section…..Bel19ve
He looked impressive in the few games he played at centre back mainly against Spurs at the start of the season. Being the most gifted footballer of our defenders he was sacrificed to compensate for our terrible injury list and after that he hasn’t got a look in. Until new year I thought he was our player of the year but then his performances were less inspiring in the second half of the season because he couldn’t get a regular run in the side and was deployed between right back and centre mid. I’m seriously worried about his progression if this continues.
Jones is a magnificent player and only 19 he will spend the next 10 years at least and will become long term with Smalling at the back im sure. He was sacraficed due to the form of Evans and the fantastic Rio like ness of Smalling. Jones is a great player and i see him in the role we are missing, box to box beast, he is that player im sure of it.
Strength power and all that is irrelevant. Superior technical abilities thrumps all. Kagawa is an intelligent playmaker that knows exactly what positions to pick, his awareness and touch are top notch, his passing skills are good and is clearly a creative force with his assists record. We need floating quality playmakers like him, i doubt he’d would get into a physical battle with much stronger players, why? because he doesn’t have to, he’ll pick up the ball in uncompromising positions that defenders find hard to stop, he’ll hopefully make the difference in the final third with composure and vision. He’s not a perfect player and will have to step up another level over here and with time, i can see that happening.
His fitness at dortmund at times was lacking in terms of how many games he can play in a demanding, rotation will obviously be used by FERGIE so surely that won’t be an issue.
Kagawa signing will hopefully be good news for rooney who has hard to carry a significant workload in terms of creativity and goals. Wayne will focus primarily on doing some real damage in front of goal.
I think we are building a team of unpredictability, versatility with its sole intention to interchange and bamboozle opponents. Welbeck, rooney, nani, young, kagawa can all switch to different positions, we will be difficult to shut out with that system and if that doesn’t work in a certain game, we’ll go direct and valencia will out power full backs.
Hopefully kagawa won’t be the only new face in the squad but the foundations are being laid. The likes of cleverly need to also get stronger and stay fit for a consistent season. Options options options everywhere like Giggs12 said
Giggs12
Which one, the should I stay or should I go remix? Yes mate my move request is in and K stand should be my new home all being well!! I’m row 8 in tier two and found out that next season row 9 upwards is going to be corporate!! Even more reason to move!!!
Giggs12 – jones is not a midfielder mate. Box to box, defensive mid, playmaking mid e.t.c. I don’t think these are any of his expertise. We’re turning him into another O’shea and no offence to the ultserman, i think jones is more talented and can hold a position in the team. He will only hold a fixed position if he’s played in the role he was bought for and that is centre back.
Even at centre back, he hasn’t entirely convinced, he’ll need more games to gather experience. He’s raw and erratic, his positioning can be suspect but these will all be eradicated with more experience as a centre back. I hope jones’s willingness and enthusiasm to accept any role given to him isn’t detrimental to his career. A fixed natural position is required or we may well all feel regret about a player not fulfilling his potential.
If you want box to box midfielders then either buy them or promote them from within. If we could keep pogba, he would be the ideal player to fulfill the role, he’ll bring more to that position than jones who is a centre back (but needs improving) would.
KAWABUNGA! Great stuff my phone takes like5 min to upload all 1000 posts so much to read and little to add to just the start of a great summer!
afternoon RoMulans.
Shinji-san not world class?
I want my money back.
Not sure if this has been pontificated upon yet but with Italian football going tits up at the moment, I would laugh myself blue if the league was to be suspended for a season.
A far stretch and I get that, but pogba opting to sign for juve and getting a years holiday out of it would be fucking brilliant.
Just for the record Samuel the legend John O’Shea is from Munster like messers Keane and Irwin.
I have a feeling next season we will win champions league. One thing is for sure there will be plenty of goals scored from us next season.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18330894
Shinji Kagawa,
Shinji Kagawa,
Shinji Kagawa,
Super Shinji Kagawa!
Going to take the wind of the sales here. Best wishes to Kagawa and I hope he will be the real deal but how many people have actually watched him? Let’s see what happens I say and hope for the best.
@albert ross: sorry if I was being cryptic! There’s no doubt though though that with kagawa in the mix, our options look much deeper and better. Many underestimated the united squad, and how close we are to realizing fergie’s vision. I would go so far as to say that if pogba stays, fabio doesn’t go on loan, and berba is used effectively, we would be mighty close to seeing the finished article in terms of having a complete squad
@samuel – united WE stand
Well said, Jones is a CD. Could be a good one as well.
@brett: I have, and while one should be rightfully cautious about any new player’s ability to fit into a new club, and a new league, for what its worth, I’ve always ended up being impressed by him
Jeet – encoded or not, we look great! I’d love Berba to stay, and Rafael to stay (or whoever it is that we have already lined up for Evra’s back up to be made public!)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1207019-manchester-united-10-things-the-media-doesnt-get-about-red-devils#/articles/1207019-manchester-united-10-things-the-media-doesnt-get-about-red-devils
Jones is a CD? Hope Fergie can get a few good tunes out of him.
Best Jones does a CD, it might be hard to concentrate watching him croon on a DVD.
“I’m Rio’s biggest fan,” Harry Redknapp told Sky Sports News. “I signed Rio as a litte boy at West Ham United and he’s a fantastic player.”
“I said I would back him all the way every time [but] it’s a difficult one and Roy’s made his decision and whatever decision he makes we have to back him. There’s obviously more to it – if it’s just football reasons it’s difficult to leave Rio out because he’s a fantastic player still.”
I like Kagawa, but I am worried about his physique. He seems slender and winter, cold and lower PL teams worry me. Hope he can handle it and stays fit… Too many players United bring in spend too much time injured.
That’s Honest ‘arry for you … Where’s MG when you need him?
http://bleacherreport.com/FarFetchedOpinion/LazyLinksToTwatsViews/WasteOfTime
Me?
I’m here jeet lying down on the floor watching the grey clouds and the rain getting bored without United playing.
Hell the weather denies watching a chick or two dressed up in bikini clad – I wish
I can’t even think about my stories, bloody back pain!
As for Arry – shut it Harry and give us Gareth Bale
I told you all last year Kagawa was coming. Ate enough raw fish to persuade him. Please send all gifts to the following address
NotoriousRedDevil
England
Don’t worry Royal Mail know who I am.
Have to laugh at the media. United’s signing of Kagawa puts Park’s future in doubt. Fucking xenophobic cunts. Where is stated you can’t have 2 asian players in the same squad?
Perhaps they think one shirt seller is replacing another. Which is even more amusing as most these journos bum arsenal and Park seems to jizz all over them every time we play them.
Exciting times ahead pleasantly surprised we got him for £12 million. The only thing that can fuck this up is the government with work permits. Fortunately Tony Banks doesn’t work there anymore. I haven’t forgotten about Célio Silva in 1997 and how we were forced to get rid of Poborsky. This time they can’t use not enough games for his country as an excuse.
jeet
It’s encouraging to hear good things said about him
Take care, MG. Back pain can be a real bitch. Get well soon, and when its time, make sure you give that back a lot of exercise
Pogba…….. 19 played nothing, done nothing
Pogba tweeted: “I am thinking about my future, I am in Italy with Juventus to discuss my transfer”
Trading in United commitment and fan support for a lifetime for ……… a couple years of racist abuse in Italy? Well, so long and good luck……. not against us of course.
Kagawa …… 23 won Bundesliga, won POTY in Bundesliga, won 2011 Asian cup with Japan. Key
Goal scorer. CL and internationals experience.
We will see who made the better deal. Get in United!
Thanks jeet
Can’t disagree with you there mate!
He’s a compact player, our Phil. You won’t find him with many scratches to his game.
OH MY! WHAT A FUCING GREAT SIGNING! WHAT AN ADDITION FOR SAF! SO VERSITLE. Creats. Advantage. See’s the floating triangles of addvantage. Turns so quick from defense to pass’s of advantage. He delivers a pass in strde it does not szlow or hamper the counter. Rooney with CR and tevez running in space. I see this again. And as this style has deflections of advatage asz a poster mentened they practice quick unexpdcted balls in the box. Rooney’s GREAT GUINIUS LIES HERE, REMEMBER THE GOAL WE HAVE ALL SEEN 1756 TIMES !! Nani’s cross deflects off the shity players back. Rooney firts to react and a bycycle shin kick for the ages. Kawaga has this. And can beat people one on one.
great signing…now we need a midfield destroyer or someone who can keep possesion in the middle of the park alongside carrick and that would be great…then put kagawa in front of them,and push rooney up ,it would be devastating,with reliable back ups in chicho and welbzz
Samuel
have to agree to disagree on this one pal, i definately think he is more suited to a DM position rather than centre back.
19 I to today I’m laid up with back pain. As I type my leggs on the couch and watch Sky Sports and SAY JELLLO ALL!
Hope there’s no filler on this Phil Jone’s CD?
Zibbie
It’s the ceiling life for us then mate
Cub. Happy Birthday mate. Sorry about the back! 600mg vitamin I (aka ibuprofen) might do the trick. That from a sportsman on the sunny side of 50
Manchester United are scheduled to play Juventus in a friendly at Salt Lake Stadium, Kolkata, India. The match is scheduled for the first of august.
Salt Lake has a capacity of 125000 people and has an Astros turf.
Amazing stuff one match that I’m definitely going to!!
Apparently Warning Hazardous waste has claimed that he was in advanced talks with United before he turned into the dark side.
This is how it all panned out.
Jedi Master Ferguson: Not trust I do in you. The force is not strong in you youngling, the dark side you will see. Much fear in you.
Hazardous waste: It’s all about the money money money, it’s all about the honey honey honey, it’s not about history! It’s just about money – and honey!!!
Jedi Master Ferguson: Go will you to the dark side. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Suffering leads to chelsea.
Hazardous waste: The project is the one. I shall give the wag to Terry – Terry is my master old man.
Jedi Master Ferguson: No doubt about that.
Scott’s under the thumb lads, don’t expect an article anytime soon……
Have We Signed Anyone Yet ?
YAWN. Ent we got a new thread yet?
This thread could break records outside a United loss thread
Come on Willie
Time to get down on our knees and be holy asking for a new thread like a prayer
Thank God we are not True Blue just Simply RED
Manchester United on the cover of Vogue?
I’d like to ask Cedars;
Where’s the party?
One thing is for sure
Manchester United fans collectively:
Don’t cry for me Argentina
Don’t be a beautiful stranger Willie
You’re a ray of light
We’ll just have to Die another day
Fletch
A believe that was a bogus twitter account regarding Pogba.
Papa don’t preach Manchester United are the team for me
Open your heart and express yourself Pogba
Juventus are not the Erotica you think they are the American pie at OT is the only thing you want to live to tell
Oh come on am I just the only one here that wants to go on a Holiday?
Fuck Pogba – Prick!!!! Great bit of business on the japanese lad. whos gonna be next? Tunni ready yet? Petrucci? Can see another striker coming in and can also see danny boy’s name going through the roof in the euros.
From what i saw of Jones in midfield last season, If he stayed fit and played in that position more frequently he could become a great box to box midfielder. The kid doesnt stop running, just his posistioning that needs tweaking!
I do feel we do need to sometimes change formation at times, but a very good signing, he can score goals and call on assists. So his impact and ability I expect some great things from him. 84 goals in his career, and at 23, what a bargain. Now lets hope we sign another 3 players, another midfielder, perhaps a fullback, and a world class striker
Valencia now,to Nani and…….. KAGAWAAAAAAAAAA…. Shinji Kagawa has won it for United in the dying seconds, eradicating the hurt of last May and securing United’s 20th title.. Now it’s full steam ahead to the champions league final!!!!!!
I’m not Inverness about Kagawa’s size or him suffering during the winter campaign. You do realise the lad is Japanese? Most parts of Japan experience much harsher winters tan anything we get over here. They’re a notoriously tough race of people despite their size as well so he won’t be intimidated.
MG – I’m just trying to heal the world!
I’ve not eaten Japanese, are they really that tough?
Joffrey huh? wow we’ve already got Game of Thrones screennames out here now. Nice
So glad about finally ironing out the details with Kagawa. Only thing that concerns me is his size but i have no doubt he’ll be a smashing success for us!
I believe we’ll wait for Pogba to leave before making our next signing now, and hopefully that’ll be someone like mvilla or martinez. a good solid defensive mid.
MikeKelly, Sheesh, another rag off my marginally professional list
Willie
Still waters are better than an Electrical storm
Heal the world Willie! – sing an Earth song
Tom Cleverley and Phil Jones have brought out a CD boxset: Tom-Jones: Mix-and-Match
Tracks include:
It’s Not Unusual (to be scorned by silly cunts); Baby, It’s Cold On The Side; Breathless (Phil Jones Solo), Mex Bomb (with Javier Hernandez) and Breaking Up Is Hard To Do (an ode to Berbatov)
I’ve not eaten an Indian either – are they meant to be spicy?
Great news regarding kagawa, looks a fine player, hummels has been quoted has saying is movement is insane and that he would’nt like to play against him speaks volumes for the lad. for the sceptics would’nt worry to much about is physical presence, modric,silva, etc have adapted to the english game, we’ve bought him to add some more creavity to the ranks and judging by how he’s faired in germany he’ll certainly do just that his attribues tick all the boxes.
Robbie Fowler Just went WAY up in my view.
Robbie Fowler “There’s not a chance RioFerdinand was left out of the EnglandSquad for Footballing reasons
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/euro-2012/other-news/rio-ferdinand-not-left-out-of-squad-for-footballing-reasons-says-former-england-striker-robbie-fowler-3130443.html
You know its a slow news cycle when you even bothered reading a quote from Fowler
… Just sayin?!
DDG
Evra Evans Vidic Rafael
Cleverley/Scholes Carrick
Nani Kagawa Valencia\Young
Rooney
That is one hell of a line up…. IF everyone is fit. The only problem with the above lineup is we can’t include Welbeck or Hernandez. But this would be my lineup when we play in Europe. It has got pace, skill and energy in abundance. But I would love it if we could find someone who can do what Carrick does. I can’t think of any names but I am sure there are hidden gems out there who are capable of playing Carrick’s role.
I recently read Great Expectations? Wasn’t all that I hoped for, though….
Old friend
You forgot about Kiss!
My lady and I have eaten Indian together, and she absolutely loved it!
Spiced up our lives very nicely, thank you.
Fletch
He must have had a forgot the five finger moment
Having said that I did read that up not long ago – fair play to him – everyone else is just being stupid
I was going to buy Hard Times, but I couldn’t afford it.
fletchtheman im glad he acknowledged rio’s capablties and non footballing decision on roys behalf, but i cant stand the man, would’nt piss on him if he was on fire:-)
Something else
Harry’s interview on Sky Sports was absolutely comic gold
No contract offers yet and he has a year to go – wasn’t happy my Harry – come on Harry give us Bale!
hello everyone
i think kagawa will be a star for united,great addition no doubt about that
hope we add someone like witsel i think he is the best option for our md problem,baines to challenge evra and maybe a good cf, Robert Lewandowski?
Evening all. Just been reading an article on Stretford End Arising about the 7-1 demolition of AS Roma… what a match. Unbelievable. Just made the hairs on the ack of m neck stand up at he time. I remember being really nervous in advance because it was of those 1st leg scorelines that United struggle to turn round sometimes, especially against the Italians. When the first goal went in I was just ecstatic and then they kept going in… ‘magical Manchester United’…
To me that is the epitome of how United should play, high tempo, breathtaking, exhilirating football turning around a game against the odds. If SAF wants to get the team playing with spirit and belief and excitement that would be a great blueprint to follow… Carrick 2 goals!!! playing alongside Fletch I think, with Giggs, Rooney, Ronaldo and Smudger. Bring it on!!!
Perhap with Shinji san we will be bringing these good times back!!! Roll on August 2012…
Here’s a link for highlights, and the article, which brought the memories back…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwO22dlDcnA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.stretfordendarising.com/history/2012/06/05/my-favourite-game-manchester-united-vs-as-roma-april-10th-2007/?
Enjoy…
I enjoyed The Thirty Eight Steps, although it ended rather suddenly.
I don’t expect The Day Of The Jackal will be much good, they’re nocturnal.
iced earth
funny you should mention witsel rio tweeted about him prior to the england game, acknowledging his talent.
Did anyone see the end of A Bridge Too Far?
Harry has hired that cunt Stretford to negotiate his contract ! I’d live to be a fly on the wall in that meeting between him and Levy!!!
I’ve lost all the pages of my copy of Gone With The Wind.
One day I will get around to reading The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People.
Ii remember the first Japeness girl I eat out. Smooth straight puddy hair soft smooth whitish skin straight Raven black hair. A sound I had never herd from an excited women. My first Indian was in 87 in San Diago, that spicy story for another day. Her parents did not aprove of a non Indian lad.
http://bundesligafootball.co.uk/kagawa-and-hazard-the-stats/
hazard scores 11 goals from the spot kick
I was loving Hitchcock’s Vertigo, but couldn’t finish it after being overcome by dizzy spells.
I think I read Midsummer Night’s Dream last night, it’s all a bit surreal.
Anyone got a link to the France game that will work on an iPhone ?
Much Ado about Nothing speaks for itself.
Apparently United had to announce the Kagawa deal today, because Dave Whelan had threatened to spill the beans.
MG
18:43
I thought it said
” Go will you to the dark side. Fear LEEDS to hate. Hate leeds to suffering. Suffering leeds to chelsea.”
BusbyB
sums up my feelings on Robbie as well. Good one son!
Harry Redknapp now saying he would have taken Rio as well. Guess everyone is baffled then.
Just another in a long list of England decisions that will leave most thinking about their next vacation.
Baffled? Oh wait, it’s England!
Bebe has revealed in an interview with Recordthat he’s set to be loaned out again next season. A cruciate knee injury wrecked his spell in Turkey with Bursaspor last year. “I had to readjust everything,” he admits. “I’ll be loaned [again].”
Albert, haha reminds me of my Dad always advising me to finish what I
It’s coz he is black. Same as Micah Richards. If they were white boys proving themselves would be easier. England has had a lot of white players who failed to step up to the mark, but black players get treated worst. E.g. Heskey is ridiculed in a way Crouch is not. Welbeck will never be embraced the way Rooney and Owen have been. Simples. England is still racist unfortunately.
Let’s hope Kagwa works at United, other good players have struggled, can’t quite see where he would play, maybe take over from Cleverly.
Shocking news about Harrison Ford? He was knocked down today. Of course, he never could sense clear and present danger.
xol – my dad taught me that it’s worth it to use two hands in a bird with a bush, else their feathers flock together.
fletchertheman add van der vaart to that list m8 he’s also commented on rio’s non-inclusion. looks like the calls for roy to be in a white jacket is going global.
Pushing a thousand comments now. I hope everyone is staying on topic!
Didn’t we sign a one of the most exciting talents in world football about 12 hours ago? Obviously not exciting enough for Scott La Rouge. Nevertheless, the next time Manc lad Danny “Welbz” Welbeck scores a goal in training, I’m sure we’ll be the first to know about it.
Roy Hodgson is sat with his assistant. “So, unfortunately, now Gary Cahill is injured and ruled out of the Euros. Let’s look at our options…”"What about Rio Ferdinand, Roy?” asks his assistant. “Five Premier league medals, one F.A. Cup, two League Cups, one European Cup and eighty-one caps for his country.”"No, not Rio, I’m looking for something a little different,” replied Hodgson.”I see,” said his assistant. “What about Micah Richards? One F.A. Cup-winners medal, one Premier League medal, vice-captain for the Premier League champions and thirteen Caps for his country.”"Again, I don’t think you are understanding me,” frowns Hodgson. “We need somebody that can slot in nicely alongside John Terry.”"What about Martin Kelly?” asks his assistant.”Martin who?” asks Roy.”He’s some white guy that plays for Liverpool reserves,” replied his assistant.”Now you’re talking,” says Hodgson.
Spurs are interested in Jermain Defoe’s brother, Willem.
Willem defoe
Fred -
“one of the most exciting talents in world football ” You must mean The Eden Hazard Project ! Frankly I’m delighted we’ve signed Marin,Hulk and Garden of Eden “Hazaaar”….we’ll defo win the CL back-to-back…”FO SHO”.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/jun/05/shinji-kagawa-manchester-united
@bbcmanutd: Guardian: Shinji Kagawa can take Manchester United back into the third dimension | Louise Taylor http://t.co/PgyKMEcJ #mufc
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/euro2012/article-2154619/Rio-Ferdinands-exclusion-wrong-moral-reasons–Jason-Roberts.html
MikeKelly, Post that article as well. Interesting view into a United recruitment IF indeed Kagawa was offered a role in the center behind rooney
“Kagawa was offered a brief as the central fulcrum behind Wayne Rooney in a 4-2-3-1 formation when he met United’s manager”
Papii
Inger who?
Goodnight United
Great Scott!
Can we have another thread please Captain!
I think MG’s addicted to smiley’s………
:P 
Arsenal are considering a move for American international Burt Young’s son, young Burt?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/euro2012/article-2155066/Euro-2012-Anti-racism-group-want-answers-Roy-Hodgson-Rio-Ferdinand.html
I want answers too? Where is the moderator! He’s leaving us to die out here! We got nothing left! Cut me Mick, just cut me……
ice dearth – thanks for the links, homie. They were interesting for once!
Ice, Ice, baby!
Scarlett fucking Johansson. My word.
Fletch
Yes mate, definitely some interesting options.
We’re gonna need a bigger boat.
United has an estimated 3.75M followers in Japan Kagawa #7 anyone?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9312689/Japan-united-over-Manchester-Uniteds-deal-with-Shinji-Kagawa.html
asamoah and isler both join juve so if pogba’s reasons are in the hope of first team football 1 could be dis-appointed, so let’s hope the lad stays put, and grows under fergies watch.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2155092/Shinji-Kagawa-Manchester-United-fans-expecting-bigger-buy.html
Who are these fans?
I can’t believe some of you still think Pogba is a United player. He LEFT for Juventus weeks ago for f*cks sake.
Bunch of inept fans. Go get informed instead of posting endless gibberish on the internet.
Willie
Just reading that article m8.Why does everyone assume Man Utd are buying Kagawa for ‘shirt sales’ ? They just need to look at the stats and what he’s already won.
you lads seen what miguel delaney has claimed united had a gentleman’s agreement with hazard, and we’re that confident they we’re due to announce the signing before the england game
Vidic – Probably cos Kagawa is from Japan. United have a huge following in Asia. Just like the signing of Park was thought the same. Lazy jurnos tell a lie and some fans fall for it. You would like to think fans would have the capacity to know Kagawa is a top player. He helped Dortmund to the league and cup double. Seeing off Bayern in the process. It’s an exciting capture for United. The fee is only on the cheap side, because his contract has only a year left.
Busby
Yes mate, I saw that. Wouldn’t surprise me!
Willie
True 
True
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2155062/It-exactly-football-reasons-Rio-Ferdinand-Euro-2012-Martin-Samuel.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Stupid , stupid imbecile.
Woy Hodge that is …
willierednut think people would be naive to beleive kagawa has been purchased soley for shirt sales and so forth, he scored and created mo
willierednut sorry for that m8 meant to post people would be naive to beleive kagawa’s here soley for selling shirts and so forth, he scored and assisted more last season than any other player in the bundesliga
“Terry, Cahill and Lescott can be placed ahead of Ferdinand on form this season”
That know-nothing cunt can’t be serious. Lesctt maybe can be argued but cunt an cahill aren’t even in the same room.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/danny-welbeck-says-alex-ferguson-863765
Beautiful words from Welbeck about the influence of Fergie, shows how much the boss means to some of the younger kids and the support he gives.
This is why we love United….its meant to be a family !
Sir Matt would have been proud that his legacy is still in place.
Love United…no other club like this in the world !
We are being heavily linked with Baines and Modric !
I don’t get it personally. I’d rather have a Strootman and a unknown tbh.
I’m bored….i’ll start with Baines.
1- Evra maybe shit as shit can be, but he is still 3rd best in the country. Will we spill £15m+ on someone we don’t need? Plus he wouldn’t even be a regular…it would be more sensible to spend £8m tops on a cover at Left Back. Personally I’d like a young kid like Clyne brought in but he is a right back, Debuchy is experienced and also a Right back…the only left back we’ve been linked with meeting that category is….(Nobody). So I don’t see us signing Baines…although I would love it if we went after Cyssokho or Alba.
2- This Modric talk is boring. Yes he is a perfect candidate, Yes he can pass the ball, Yes he can be lured, Yes he has 6 years of awesomeness ahead, Yes Spurs players have joined us in the past. But and a very big BUTT. (Like Kim Kardashians)…..we are dealing with Daniel Levy. Rat-Face has signed a new contract, plus they want £40m. Bidding starts at £30m at minimum and you can expect Shitty to come in even if we was involved in that foolishness. This is not happening. I would pay £25m Plus Anderson or Rio… but that’s a non-opinion
Anyways after the Berba £30.75m and Carrick £18m, where both times we was destroyed by Levy’s ball squeezing antics, I highly doubt we want to run into him again. Think about it, in times of austerity , you don’t go running to Harrods or the Prada store. On Carrick we paid £6m over and for Berbie we paid £10m over. We will not do this again, we are too tight with the purse strings to even attempt negotiating down from £40m for this Rat that loves Chelsea.
I do hope we sign a defender and we do definitely need a central midfielder. Kaga-ONE …is a massive signing fucking BIG actually, Bargain too !
SAF said early on in May, expect us to sign 2 players could be 3 can’t remember, I hope he signs us 3.
Night ladies !
x
Morning reds around the world,
Welcome home Shinji Kagawa..
Good luck and we reds always back you..
Get in
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Martin Samuel..
You bloody cunt..Just because Cahill won a CL doesnt make him better than Rio..
To be honest, Rio is one of the few defenders who transformed in last season..
he was in absolute form in the league after that 1-6 but looks likes Martin Samuel has got bigger eyes and better brains..
You fucking cunt, just look at how many goals Chelsea have shipped in the last 2 months..
Fuck me, Kelly over Rio…Christ help us..
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JC,
well said mate, know-nothing cunt he is..
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Papii,
Hello pal,
thanks for the link and a good read..
First ever Japanese to play for the greatest club in the world..
absolutely thrilled with this transfer and i dont give a dman if others are not as much delighted as they would have been if we had signed Hazard etc..
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Shinji Kagawa will take the prem by storm..
And to think someone recently poured scorn on RoM’s healthy scepticism towards the England set up. Ha, was that fella taking the piss or what? Unquestioned obedience isn’t patriotism its fascism, you fucking oaf. If the England Camp is a shit hole it should be every Englishman’s duty to say so. Hodgson is a dirty shill for the FA and Cahill’s injury proves it. Rio has never shied away from carrying the flag but he is repeatedly negated by his country, and Footballing reasons have sod all to do with it. The blind could see whats going on, and I for one don’t want FA to do with it (thank you very much)
United > Ingerlund.
香川 真司 will be a super star..
and he isnt here to ramp up the shirt sales..time we come outta conspiracy theories and appreciate the quality and the talent the lad has got!!
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Albertex,
How are you buddy?
Yup,
I m as excited as you about the midfield 3,
Carrick, Tom C and Kagawa
From past 1 hour i m refreshing the page..
Dont know if the refresh button is working or not..
come on suckers, where the hell mare you reds?
Refreshed
same here Sandy! :s
Is everyone off celebrating? mid-week break?
Lol you 3-4 guys always talk amongst yourself only anyways
yourselves*
I just heard on the radio that United bought Shinji Kagawa to sell shirts, I thought fucking hell he has to go behind the counter at the Megga store and sell shirts .
Dazbomber
Morning mate…Nice one, perhaps he will get sales training from Park!
@Daz –
apparently that’s what Park was caught up with this year and thus, wasnt available to SAF for selection. Bloody Glazernomics!
Good Morning fine folks of ROM!
Singh, Maybe they’re all the same person. Who knows? There’s a lot of Inception happening these days. Just as MG.
Daz, You know what pisses me off about those folks, it is that they think we “need” Kagawa to sell shirts in Asia. City probably needs an Asian to sell shirts in Asia. Chelsea, Arsenal, maybe not Liverpool etc. all these teams need a player to sell shirts. United don’t. Kagawa needs Manchester United to become a popular player. Manchester United doesn’t need Kagawa to sell shirts. We will sell a shitload of shirts in Japan, Korea etc. with or without Kagawa. His arrival doesn’t make us more popular in these parts. That’s a fact.
Morning Jeet, Singh, Daz, Atin and cedars..
Singh,
mate, its not true, we dont always talk within ourselves..
may be you look at only those posts
Good day reds..
Good morning every one, it really does make you piss the things they wright, knowing what a class footballer and his standing in German football yet they still right this shit
Daz and Balaji,
them cunts are good enough to say that it is a commercial signing..
fuckers, all of them..
this lad was the best player of the Bundesliga..
also here in ROM i remember that some fans were asking us if he was good enough on his own, because of his presense with the star player in Goetze in midfield..
well the lad held the ship when Goetze was injured for 4 months..
If any one doubts the skills, talent and past records of kagawa, then they are outta their minds..
he may or may not be a success at united, but he is quality..
he has been the best player in Bundesliga by miles
shunning the super star team mates like Goetze etc 
The lad has quality, he aint just to ramp up the shirt sales in Asia and Japan ..
Plus he is the most fantastic Japanese coming through off late!!
lets hope, its a signing of the season performance wise…if he sells more shirts, then thats the added bonus of the bargain
Of course Kagawa will sell shirts. But that’s just a happy by-product of us capturing what might well turn Out to be a new superstar. This lad looks like he has all the ingredients, and as importantly, professionalism to go all the way. Even better, La liga and Serie A, don’t have the same kudos back in the land of the rising Sun, as the Premier league. So, he won’t (hopefully) be agitating at a move a few years from now.
Win- Win-Win.
Ferdinand not going to euros 12 will benefit United but i personally think that Ferdinand should have been selected instead of Jones
Balaji Sandeep
Haha maybe I always check the threads at the wrong time!
On the Kagawa shirts matter,I actually couldnt care less. It could even be more beneficial to us if they think that way,reduces the pressure on the lad.
Ive been trying to picture what our formation would be and one fact keeps bothering me which is the striker position. If we slot in Kagawa as the advanced attacking midfielder,we wont be able to play with 2 strikers and that would mean Welbeck or Hernandez getting very little play time.. The only way we can play the normal 2 striker method is if Kagawa plays in Scholes’ position.
What do you guys think about this?
@Singh: I think Fergie will rotate, and play 4-4-2 in a lot of domestic games. Even in a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3, Danny could play on the left, or lead the line in Roo’s absence. However, it will be difficult for Hernandez to get a look in with those formations.
@Jeet
Yeah no doubt SAF is gonna rotate,and next season its gonna be more than ever!
Its really nice to have options like this.
Do you think Kagawa can replace Scholesy in the 4-4-2?
I am a Japanese, I and my mates aint gonna buy the table cloth just to prove that Shinji wasn’t bought for selling shirts.
Or even better we will buy Welbeck shirts!
Can someone check if Scott is alright? Yes its nice to push 1000 comments but Shinji is big news! Deserve a thread and a Scott analysis of how he is not a shirt pusher. Oh and how he is so much better than Hazard.
Looks like Scott is not excited with the Kagawa signing. Fair enough, the Gaffer can’t please all the fans. Jokes aside, what is this non sense of us buying Kagawa to sell shirts? If that is the case then UTD should get a player from India and China. Then UTD’s shirt sales are gonna go through the roof.
Regarding Kagawa’s playing position, I do not think he will be suitable in a 4-4-2 formation which means that Welbeck/Chico will a)be dropped b)played out of position or Rooney will make way for one of them. The only way he can play in a 2 man midfield is if we can get a box to box midfielder(how much I miss Fletcher) to play alongside him.
@Singh: Doubt whether Kagawa can play the Scholesy role. He plays in a more advanced position and has lower inclinations/abilities to perform defensive responsibilities. If we must compare him to the greats, I would say Kagawa is more Kaka than Scholes.
I read somewhere above in the ~1000 posts, 1 good post/ analysis on how Kaga-wan can actually help Hernandez.
I have to admit I have only seen him play on youtube, but I did try and go through as many different videos as possible .He does open it up for people in the final third and especially in the box.
in my opinion, we would have the following options open to us:
1) 4 -1 – 4 – 1: Back 5 – Carrick – Valencia/ Nani Cleverly Kagawa Young/ Nani – Rooney/ Hernandez
This is clearly the expectation that everyone has right now. So, its the first option I present. Just to get it out of the way.
2) 4 – 4 – 2: Back 5 – Valencia/ Nani Carrick Cleverley Young/ Nani – Rooney Welbeck/ Hernandez
Kagawa to be the sub here later on in the match. To replace either Cleverley, or second striker. Basically a variation to Option 1 above. Standard 442 without Kagawa. ONLY because I dont know if he can fulfill the Ninja role. Let’s wait and watch if that can happen.
3) 4 – 1 – 3 – 2: Back 5 – Carrick – Nani Rooney Young – Kagawa Hernandez
Slightly weird setup here. But I’m going for Rooney’s energy in a role much further up than midfield to be the perfect foil to both Carrick and Kagawa. Banking entirely on Rooney’s pressing and energy + unleashing the monster bubbling inside him. Don’t like this calmer hairy guy. Would love the anger he had when he smashed in that volley against Newcastle a good few years back. In short, this is the formation that makes Zibbie cream. Ultra attacking formation – possible last 10 minutes in a must-score situation.
4) 4-2-3-1: Back 5 – Carrick Scholes – Nani Kagawa Young – Rooney
Kaga-wan and Ninja master tearing it up. Interchangeable fluidity. RoM going crazy. Another 1000 post game. 9-0 the score.
5) 1 – 2 – 5 – 3 – 1: De Gea – Vidic and Rio/ Evans/ Smalling – Valencia, Scholes, Carrick, Cleverley, Evra – Nani Kagawa Young – Rooney
How I wish we start the game like this! Valencia, Cleverley, Nani, Young, Kagawa and Rooney to ensure we press all night long. Nothing goes behind the midfield. If it does, Vidic the monster makes their attackers take a crap on the field. Rio/ Evans/ Smalling sweep the balls up above.
Singh, Utd4life and Jeet,
I think Kagawa will be playing floater role time to time..
I think most of the times he will be used in this,
___________Carrick___Tom c/Scholesy________
Valencia______Kagawa________Young/Nani
___________Rooney/Danny_____
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He is good defensively as well, but most of the talk is on his creative front..
His passing is really good, meaning he can improve the flair of the game along with Tom C, Young, Nani, Danny, Rooney.
but we cant predict anything since it depends who will start in the sweeper role etc, how many strikers etc etc..
From these suggested formations seems Danny and Chicharito will be strugling for game time coz bar injury Rooney is always in the team. Nice headache to have though.
This kagawa being signed to sell shirt only shows how simple minded and ignorant so many are. Why was it even brought up? why can’t quality players arrive from japan, korea or any part of the world?. I see so many cunts journalists compare him with ji sung park when clearly there are no comparison. It’s simple and pretty sad. Kagawa is evident quality, FERGIE wouldn’t sanction a 16million buy just for the sake of it. Judge his ability and what impacts he makes rather than his ethnicity.
Atin. Option 1 and 4 are almost similar though I don’t see the Gaffer deploying two defensive midfielders. That is something that Mankini does. Option 1 will be more than a handful. That front 5 of Nani, Kagawa, Cleverley, Valencia/Young and Rooney has the pace, skill and movement to cut open teams. Like Jeet said, Kagawa’s introduction should help Chico because from what I have seen of Kagawa, the lad spots the runs of the striker quite early and puts a nice through ball coinciding with the strikers run. They will be a potent force in the final 3rd. But we need to iron out all these things in the pre season.
If the response of the Japanese media is anything like when Celtic signed a lesser Japanese player then it is going to be something else.
I think that having Kagawa and Hernandez in the same line up will be a great idea. Kagawa will provide Little Pea with the perfect through balls that he is so good at getting on the end off
I think FERGIE is about to move away from the rigid 4-4-2 system. The footballing debacle in europe last season told him he needed to switch into a more possession orientated style. Kagawa is a floating playmaker and there’s no way will he be played in a 2 man midfield. The team is clearly being built with flexibility, interchanging and unpredictability in mind, that’s the way forward.
@samuel – united WE stand
SAF was know to sanction 8million for Bebe, never having seen him play before. Weirder things have happened. After Obertan, Tosic, Ljajic and Bebe, I think it’s justified to be sceptical about our transfer policy.
Samuel. Spot on mate. Kagawa is quality. I am waiting for the season to start so that he can make those people eat their own crap. People talking about Parky need to remember that once upon a time Parky was the first name on the team sheet. The lad has scored against all the teams and was a big match player. He was not technically talented but his energy was used to mark and harass players out of the match.
Samuel. Spot on mate. Kagawa is quality. I am waiting for the season to start so that he can make those people eat their own crap. People talking bad about Parky need to remember that once upon a time Parky was the first name on the team sheet. The lad has scored against all the teams and was a big match player. He was not technically talented but his energy was used to mark and harass players out of the match.
Ha Bebe’s transfer fee seem’s to go up by the post.
Shinji Kagawa will definately bring something that was missing in our attack. No doubt that he was bought to improve the squad. Sir Alex has always said that they would not buy for the sake of it. To be bought by united you need to bring in something missing in the already rich quality that is already there. There is however no doubt that shirt sales will increase, however this is being twisted by United Haters to undermine our quality signing. Its nothing new that certain players lead to bigger shirt sales. Beckham signing for Real Madrid comes to mind. Its not only shirt sales, its also new fans. I can tell you that there were a few additions to the United fan base in South Africa when Quinton Fortune was signed.
@Samuel.. They are just trying to wind you up, wait till Shinji like Ji makes them eat their words, will be a mini-victory on our way to 20!
Sorry for the double post. Damn iPhone.
Jesus Christ, can we drop the Bebe topic? People need to move on. The lad might still come good. Stranger things have happened like how Chelsea won the CL. How those chav cunts won the CL is beyond my imagination??!!
I still think the biggest problem in Chicha’s game is beating the offside trap. I don’t want him to develop all-around skills like Welbeck. That is why we have Welbeck in the team. That is one aspect of this whole fucking debate that I hate. Hernandez doesn’t need to have those skills because he is a different player. I don’t see people asking Welbeck to score goals with the back of his head like Hernandez did. Why? Because Welbeck is a different breed of player and Hernandez is a different breed of player. Asking one to be like the other isn’t just on the part of both players.
I just want Hernandez to keep bagging them in because there is no one better at doing that in the present United side. However, he needs to really learn to control his runs. That is the one thing stopping him from being a fearful striker like Ruud or Inzaghi. Those guys were masters at being offside (i.e. ahead of play thereby allowing defenders to drop their guard), then coming back on-side and again moving forward just as the ball is played through thereby confounding defenders and leaving them well off pace. And those guys mastered that art without having raw pace. Hernandez is already a pacy player. If he can add that to his locker and we play Kagawa/Cleverley in the play-maker position to provide him with through-balls, then God help the slow defenders in the league next season.
some people always love to highlights the transfers that did not work, and yes there were many. Why not focus on the ones that worked? Lets see where do I start…..
Resigning Sparky, now take it from there and you can make a list as long as this thread
Signings that didnot work! Ask Shitty!
AntiScouser – do you have any evidence which doesn’t relate to the crap circulated by the media about united actually being foolish enough to splash 8million on an unproven player? i don’t think FERGIE would have even sanctioned 1mill, i think it’s just the dailymail and many others blowing things out of proportions. Bebe was a gamble, a cheap gamble which clearly has not worked. FERGIE obviously took advice of trusted scouts rather than watch him but it’s a mistake he won’t make again. You and many need let go of this bebe thing, he’s probably never gonna return to the club.
As for tosic, Ljajic and obertan, all cheap gambles yet again. Tosic is not a bad player but he clearly isn’t good enough for united, Ljajic the same and we technically didn’t actually purchase him and as for obertan, well many touted his potential a while back. Obviously over-hyped and a gamble that didn’t pay off, i see no problem with this. FERGIE always takes risks, play it safe in football and you fail to progress. Just like all of us, FERGIE is not immune from mistakes, wanting perfection is unrealistic but he’s done more good than awful if you ask me.
On kagawa, i think it’s ignorant to assume he’s bought to sell shirts. His pedigree in a quality bundesliga has never been in doubt, kagawa was the best attacking playmaker last season in a league filled with the likes of robben, ribery, shweinsteiger e.t.c. Kagawa has scored an impressive 21 goals in 48 appearances, has weighed in with assists and is generally an influential who dortmund loathe to lose. He’s a regular starter over there and they’ve been champions twice in a roll.
Of course kagawa still has to prove his impact over here but his ability and talent were never questioned by me. I don’t care about his ethnicity, only a simple fool would.
Utd4life – agree mate. The thought of a season along the lines of something undescribeable that led to the 2nd goal v city in the Community Shield is so mouthwatering. Add the thought of fluid interchanging amongst the front 5 and wow – have we got an attack or what!
The best part though, knowing that everyone of those front 5 is ready to rush back and defend at the first hint of requirement. That’s always been the hallmark of our teams. None evidenced better than by Ole with that interception of play.
Cedars – Was just reading SAF’s autobiography again. Read that part about resigning Sparky. He says, “the transfer was not just a boost for my team but also for the fans of the club, who deserved one of them to lead the lines and be there for them”
Many never questioned the talent of Obertan and Tosic and look where they are today. I’m not saying Kagawa falls in the same category, but beware what you’re saying now, it may come back to haunt you.
United signed many flops over the years (http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/manchester-united-transfers.html), I sincerely hope Kagawa will not be one of them.
But the fact of the matter is we cannot attract top talent (Hazard, Modric) anymore. That’s why many people are frustrated. All I’m saying is the whingeing is understandable. Having said that, good luck to Kagawa, hope he carries over the good form from Germany.
The thing is every signing is a gamble. Only God knows whether a player will make it or not at UTD. Certain players step up to the challenge and some dont. Playing at UTD is a daunting and sometimes terrifying task. Imagine millions of fans placing their high expectations on you. I am sure Kagawa will notice the difference between playing for Dortmund and Manchester United when he dons the shirt and walks out onto the Old Trafford pitch. The reality will smack him in the face that he is playing for the Biggest club in the world. Certain players relish this challenge while some crumble under it. Let’s hope that Kagawa belongs to the former category.
In the modern game, you gotta have an all around game to succeed or be a regular starter at a big club. The game has moved on from strikers loitering around the box and hoping to pop the ball in the net. If your shooting boots desert you in a couple of game then you know you can fall back on other technical abilities like first touch, holding up play, providing assists, linking up well e.t.c. As good as Hernandez can be in the box, he knows he won’t always score but to be a certain starter, he needs to bring other things to the table.
Hernandez knows this and i remember in an article in which he described what he needed to be a world class player, he said he wants to improve all other parts of his game to be on the same level as the likes of drogba, rooney e.t.c.
Hernandez is still learning and is very talented but to be a regular, he’ll needed more than just ghosting inside an opposition box. World class defenders will snuff him out effectively. I think he’ll improve next season, the rest would do him good anyway.
Antiscouser
You post an article saying beware of Kagawa because he could be a flop and in the VERY SAME post come out with the bullshit that we can’t attract talent like Hazard?!?! What a fucking hypocrit? Why not level the same accusation at hazard?! Why haven’t you said Chelsea fans should be careful because they’ve signed the likes of Malouda, Kalou, Torres who all came with big reputations and flopped. Just because he cost twice as much doesn’t mean he twice as likely to succeed!!
Anti Scouser. I can understand your point mate but Kagawa is as talented as Hazard. Just because we didn’t fork out 30 mil doesn’t mean we bought an inferior player. Hazard might either come good or he could do a “Torres” at Chelsea but his attitude was totally unprofessional and I don’t want such a player at UTD. Ronaldo was as flashy as Hazard but he didn’t spout BS like Hazard. Hazard might be more talented but he sounds like a 12 year old rather than a professional football player.
I love Hernandez and his finishing but I feel he really needs to improve on 2 things ASAP which is his passing and ball control. If he can at least improve this 2 things then he would be much more effective when we’re trying to penetrate defenses in those games where the opponents park the bus.
AntiScouser, This is where the definition of top-level talent becomes highly subjective and can be easily construed as flame bait.
How do you people define Hazard as a top-level talent and Kagawa not as one? Admittedly I’ve not seen both. However, Hazard has played in less-competitive league against less-competitive teams. Kagawa has played in a more competitive league against teams like Bayern Munich and won said league twice. He has also been named player of the season last year. He has loads of European experience against some of the top clubs. His statistics speak for themselves and are as good as Hazard’s (again in a more competitive league.)
And frankly Hazard is primarily a winger and an insufferable headcase. Both qualities we don’t need right now. We have enough sufficient wingers all of whom are extremely capable players. We need a playmaker which is exactly what Kagawa is. And why are people bloating on over Modric? I think he is a very good player and did want him last season. But no I don’t want him right now. There are bigger concerns for United than buying Modric.
This debate that United are not attracting top players is a myth. And it is insulting to Sir Alex Ferguson that people are talking like this when he has just got the player he wanted. Admittedly, some people will be happy seeing headcases like Hazard in the team over Sir Alex’s first choice because apparently they know better.
Listen, if you’re not willing to admit that Hazard > Kagawa, the discussion ends there. We’ ll agree to disagree.
I think Hazard is a much better player. Hence, the price difference.
United have signed flops but so have many other clubs. Like Utd4life just illustrated, football is a game based on risks. The more you divert from pragmatism, the more your chances of progressing. Every single player is a gamble until they show what they can do consistently. Like i’ve said, kagawa hasn’t proved anything yet. He’s a new signing and will need adapting, i and i’m sure many sincerely hope he shows his talent regularly for united because that means we’ll progress. It’s all about waiting to see.
And on Kagawa and shirt sales, fuck me grow up and do some intelligent journalism for Christ sake!! Rooney sold more shirts than anyone else in the Prem last year, was his signing questioned due to shirt sales? Chico became the 4th best selling shirt when he signed behind established players like Rooney, Torres and Gerrard! Was his signing questioned on shirt sales? The top selling Shirt in Asia last year was Michael Owens, was his signing questioned on shirt Sales, and last I checked he wasn’t Asian?! Fact is Kagawa will sell a lot of shirts but that’s because United and Real Madrid sell more shirts annually than any other teams in world football!!
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UTD are not going to buy any player from Spurs, let alone Modric until Daniel Levy is there.
Millennium United.
Misleading article from sky
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7797166/Kagawa-not-about-shirt-sales
- We have not defended the Kagawa signing !
- Old quotes used.
- No mention even of Kagawa
-Irrelevant article made to draw viewers
If Kagawa was a commercial signing….then so is Rooney,Nani,Anderso, Da Silva’s,De Gea, Vidic and Valencia and Chicharito !
The way I see it is…Kagawa and Park being signed has been a double edged sword
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AntiScouser
So that is what all this was about, you just want to tell us that Hazard is better than Kagawa…
Out of curiosity how much playing time have you seen of both to make such a judgement? Or is it based on their price tag? If so than that is a very daft assumption
“This debate that United are not attracting top players is a myth”
Oh, it not a myth. It’s reality. The sooner you wake up to it, the better. Players want top money and reassurances in order to sign for a club. We can no longer pay top wages, nor can we assure success and managerial continuity.
Hence, we buy lesser talnet and cheaper players. I have it on good authority that this is the problem with Modric (our first choice signing for the last 2 seasons). He believes Chelsea is a better option for him, and if he had signed for them last season (like he wanted to), he’d have a CL medal in his pocket now.
@Samuel: Spot on with that rant on “shirt-selling”. I find it despicable that folk cant discuss a player on merit without bringing his ethnicity/nationality into question.
@Mikekelly12: Bravo!
And oh, by the way, Kagawa has been way more effctive than Modric (who I rate by the way) over the last 2 seasons.In fact, they are not even similar players so don’t know where the comparison comes up.
AntiScouser. No one on here is saying that Kagawa is better than Hazard. Stats might say that Kagawa is a better player but it’s not certain that he will excel at UTD. The same goes for Hazard. Both will start on a level playing field. The one who adaptes better to the team and the conditions will perform better. But whatever I said wont change your mind so we just have to agree to disagree.
AntiScouser – so your judgement is based mainly on The difference in price-tag? deary me. Hazard is unproven in this league just like kagawa but from my view, there’s no gulf of difference in their quality. Hazard is obviously more hyped because he’s european but we know that doesn’t equal progress in a difficult league. Roman was willing to pay astronomical fees to get him but in my opinion, kagawa is just as good but with a lesser price tag.
We bought vidic, evra, van der sar for peanuts when compared with the floating about these days but they’ve been integral to united’s success in the past few years. Kagawa may well be the case. Price tags prove fuck all.
Good signing it would be (kagawa). I have seen him play a few times and he looks a good player and will definitely be great value for money
It would be great if we can make Pogba sign a new deal as he’ll develop into a good player, can’t believe he is interested in going to Italy with all the shit that’s going on there. He sill surely get more gametime this season and that should be enough motivation for him to stay. If we can persuade him to stay then I won’t bother if we sign another midfielder or not but if he leaves then we would need to sign another one.
And btw if the match in India is confirmed I would too like to join you peeps (sandeep, jeet and others)
@AntiScouser: We may not/choose not to match the exorbitant salaries paid by shitty or the chavs. But that does not mean that all our players are shit. Contrary to popular belief, there are a lot of very good players (“top players” in your words) out there who are not mercenaries, and who would play for United, and of course, for the very competitive salaries we pay our players. Let me repeat, just because our salaries are lower than shitty/chavs, a player who signs for us does not automatically become shit. Does that sound logical to you?
your judgement is based mainly on The difference in price-tag?
Of course it isn’t.
Fuck me get a new thread on!
AntiScouser, And what are the side-effects of paying higher wages from a business standpoint? Have you ever thought about that? (Note: I am repeating most of Wakey’s points here) Football is a business. And Manchester United are the only club who are conducting that business perfectly as any biz should. The clubs who offer inflated wages all have shady backings. City, Chelsea, Barca, Real etc. All are backed by some shady laws and dealings, rich owners, low-interest or interest-free loans.
If you think offering inflated wages is good for football, then so be it. It simply is not. Just like any inflated market comes crashing down (and it has happened ALWAYS in history), Football will come crashing down one day (maybe sooner rather than later). And the only club left standing in the rubble will be United because our financial deals are soaked with proper business acumen. United are self-sufficient and always have been.
“nor can we assure success and managerial continuity.”
That just proves that you are looking for flame bait. Success. 4 out of 6 league titles. One lost by one point and thanks to some shady refereeing. One lost of GD and because we took our eye off in the final hurdle. Two CL finals. One CL. One CWC. And all of that in the last 5 years. And all under one manager who will be around for at least a couple of years more. What do Chelsea have? One league title. One CL title. A few F.A. cups. A long-running conveyor belt of managers. Players who sign without the manager’s knowledge. LOL!
I don’t think anything is worth debating with you anymore and I definitely mean that in all seriousness. Done.
Antiscouser
Surely having two different opinions is what fuels a discussion. If two people agreed the discussion wouldn’t be much of one. So why say if we don’t agree that Hazard is Better than Kagawa the discussion ends there? Surely that’s where the discussion should start! I’m pretty sure you haven’t seen these two players play regularly enough to base a solid argument on who is better so won’t even entertain going into that with you, but in my opinion, given the option of the two based on price, temperament, professionalism and integrity I’d go for Kagawa everytime.
AntiScouser says:
I think Hazard is a much better player. Hence, the price difference.
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Not gonna argue with you about how good they are. I’m sure you’ve watched both players enough times to make a judgement call, which I haven’t.
But to bring their price into the argument is a complete logical fallacy. Andy Carroll cost £35m. Hernandez cost £7m. Is Carroll five times as good as Hernandez?
People do know that UTD are not owned by sugar daddies or sheikh’s who are willing to pay through their nose and ass for a player. UTD are under debt and have a wage structure to maintain so don’t expect UTD to splash out crazy cash for any player. Like the Gaffer said, UTD always try to attract the top players through the clubs history, legacy and the chance to play for the biggest club in the world while getting paid pretty well. If a player doesn’t want that then there is nothing the club can do. I don’t want my club to bend over and take it in the ass for any player. There is no player in this world who is worth paying 250,000$ a week.
@Indian Devil: Seems very positive till now. Apparently there is committment from both teams to send strong squads (Rooney/Buffon). Finer details are expected to be tied up over the next couple of days. Apparently there’s some meeting with United’s global head of sponsorships. On the flip side, the pitch and stand quality is not exactly great. August is going to be hot (~35C) and humid (close to 100%) as hell and beyond in Kol. The floodlight infra is undergoing renovation and is unlikely to be ready by then. So most probably its going to be a daytime match. Last time when Argentina and Venezuela played there, both managers agreed to time-out within each half – players couldnt go on otherwise. I just hope some of those factors don’t stall the deal. But IF it happens, man – WHAT A FUCKING PARTY!!!
First and foremost, I think it’s disturbing how some of you seem to believe (correct me if I’m wrong) that there is very little or no correlation between the quality of the player and his price tag. If this is true, I have nothing to say to you.
If you, however, recognize the aforementiond property of the external world, may I just point our that Hazard was (supposedly) bought for 32million, and Kagawa was bought for 17million, almost half the amount.
It doesn’t mean Kagawa is a bad player (he may turn out to be a bargain), but it’s more likely Hazard will be a better buy. More likely, that’s all.
Jeet, As I said yesterday, the mere announcement of a likely match gave me butterflies in my stomach. The chance to see Manchester United live is one I am not going to miss at any cost. From what you say, the news filtering in seems to be good. A daytime match will be great because it means only a single day off for me. I also would like to have an ROM hookup of sorts. If this is finalized, then I would like to work together with Sandy, boogeyman, jeet, and all the others to work out a common meeting point and maybe even seating in the same stand. That would be truly awesome if everyone on here is up for it.
Just a small detail to RoM on why the Indian Mafia is getting all excited – the stadium accomodates 120,000 and it’s 200% sure to be a sellout – most being Reds!!! Yeah, fucking yeah!!!
For what it’s worth, I think Hazard joined Chelsea only because his agent got a nice share out of the deal. His agent called the shots and Hazard went with it.
@kanchelskis
No. But Liverpool are Liverpool and that’s why they’re in the position they’re in. The correlation between quality and price isn’t 1, but it’s far from 0. Can we, at least, agree on that?
AntiScouser
Like kanchelskis pointed out, Andy Carroll 35 million?? Just saying
And you should be able to track further progress and online ticket sale commencement @ http://www.indianfootballnetwork.com/blog/2012/06/05/manchester-united-vs-juventus-in-kolkata/
@Balaji: I’m already trying to devise ways by which I can sneak a meeting with The Great Man, even if for 10 seconds only, just to give him “pranam” and thank him !
Antiscouser
Directing you to Kanchelskis point, prices are not always a reflection of talent. For some reason English clubs pay a premium for English players. European players are more expensive than non European players. Players in their final year of their contract (Kagawa) are a lot cheaper than players who still have several years to run. If Kagawa was European and was not in the final year of his contract his price would have been much closer to £32m but would that have made him any better a player. Torres £50m Aguero £38m. Henderson £25m David Silva £24m. To base an argument on the price of a player regardless of how likely or unlikely they are to succeed is pretty short sighted.
United4life
Miguel Delaney is of the opinion that United had a gentlemans agreement with United and were that confident he was going to sign that they’d planned to announce it prior to the England game last week. Only after the chavs came in with their silly wages and were prepared to pay the agent fee, did he go back on his word! Even mire reason to assume we dodged a bullet. Gentlemans agreements are named as such for very good reason.
Mike
Very well summed up at 11:10 mate
Mikekelly- I agree we dodged a bullet. I think his antics so far indicate the price extracted re team spirit . Giving in to his demands would be detrimental to us. Possibly , if he had signed and was a resounding success. He would have put himself out to the highest bidder, which would not be us. Kagawa has the work ethic and values consistent with the club and has played in a stronger league.
Good luck to hazard but I’m glad we have kagawa. Hazard dressed up his decision on Chelsea having a better project than us or city. Personally it’s down to money and location – in my humble opinion.
Antiscouser- Torres 59 million
So, the price tag tells you NOTHING about the quality of the player?
Jeet – Based out of Cal ? I’ll probably be there from July onwards on work. Any chance of catching up?
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AntiScouser
Should it?
Messi was signed for nothing Ronaldo for 12 million both are now regarded to be the most expensive players in the world
Hazard is just potential – a 32 million potential at that
Price has got nothing to do with it – Berba was 32 million – Veron 29 million – why didn’t they set the world alight since they were actually the real deal players?
Cantona was 1 million – regarded by many at OT to be one of the finest players ever.
Solskjaer was 1.5 million, Big Pete was less than a million – prices mean fuck all – it’s up to the individual to prove it
Hazard might prove it – but at the moment being rid of his scheming and arrogance and his ultimate brainwash that the chelsea project is better – well I’ll sleep in peace for sure
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@Atin: Home town is Cal, now settled in Gurgaon. Obviously got friends and family there – if the Aug match happens will make sure to catch up. You?
How’s the back, MG?
Messi was not signed for nothing, he came through the youth ranks. Ronaldo was initially signed for 12mill, but became a much better player in the next 6 years and was sold for 90mill. Cantona was signed for 1 mill in 1992, if it were to happen today, it would have been, at least, 15mill. You’re comparing prices from 15 years ago with today’s prices. Makes no sense.
There are other players Kagawa can be compared with, you know. I don’t get this obsession with Hazard. He’ll likely be a hit for Chelsea, but if anyone hasn’t figured out by now that we didn’t stand a chance of signing him, then too bad. Might as well reconcile with the fact that we won’t spend more than 15-20 million on one player for years to come.
Comparing prices from the same year,lets see…..
Ole was bought for 1.5 million while Shearer went for 15 million in the SAME year….No doubting that Shearer was great, but that is 90% more, NINETY……And if I had to choose between the 2 I know who I will always take
Antiscouser
In a word NO. Why on earth would clubs bother deploying scouts around the world when all they have to do is phone up other clubs and ask how much each of their players are worth. Then just go down the list buying the best (most expensive) and before you know it, bang! Treble winning team! A players cost is based on how much the selling team think they can get for him and how much the buying team want him, not on ability. The Carroll case is a perfect example, liverpool had just got £50m, Newcastle knew this so slapped a £35m price tag. Liverpool were desperate to replace Torres, voila, we have a £35m player! Does this tell us how good a player is or more about the two clubs involved? Who would you say is better, Carroll or Aguerro because they were both bought for comparable prices?
I would like to point out some people have gone off topic .
Costas, That is fairly correct. However, why do we need to spend 30 million on one player who “could” be great when we can spend that 30 or 40 million two or three ways to get three players who “could” be great. It is better business and you are not bloating your wages by paying more to one single player. This is what we did last season as well. This is what we seem to be doing this season as well. That is what Sir Alex means when he says that the market is inflated with little value.
This whole price debate is useless and comparing a player’s prices to other assets like property is also useless. In the 2000s, real estate prices in the US were extremely bloated. I mean they were inflated beyond belief and it all came crashing down which eventually led to world-wide recession. Ultimately, the price is determined by the asset owner. And has little do with the “value” of the asset. Andy Carroll was priced at 35 million because Newcastle knew they could demand that from Liverpool when he is actually worth about 1 pound, maybe less. Torres was priced at 50 million when he was actually worth a lot less because they knew Chelsea wanted him at all costs.
All these costs are basically laid out by the respective asset owners, not counting the commission charges for the agent which is higher as well.
Let’s say, for example, when you go to buy a house or whatever asset, it is up to you to assess whether the asset is worth that much. And even if you feel that asset is worth that much, if some rich dude comes in and offers twice what you’re offering, will you outbid him? NO! First of all, you know it is not worth that much and you consciously cannot raise the price of the asset. Secondly, anything you can pay, the rich guy can probably pay more. Thirdly, he can “afford” to lose money on an overpriced asset whereas you know you cannot. You can probably get an equally good asset for the price it is worth elsewhere in the market. So, you wash your hands and walk away. THAT is good business.
I am sure I needn’t say who the major players are in the above analogy. And if people can’t realize that we’re basically doing good business, then they need to brush up their economics or let the people who actually know how the market works do the talking, instead of acting like arm-chair experts.
Sorry what was the topic ?
Jeet
Okay mate not brilliant
AntiScouser
Sorry you have missed my point
Firstly though Messi was signed for nothing he was picked up by a scout in Argentina – he was never in the Barca youth ranks as a youth player.
Regardless – the point I am making is that the price shouldn’t matter in the way the player adapts to perform for the team.
A 32 million player who is younger and bought on potential cannot be justified to be better than a 12 million pound player who is a little older and had more experience – also because the 12 million player was bought at a price befitting his contract status – equivalent to Mesut Ozil let’s say – is he now inferior to Hazard too?
Stats may change – my argument to you though is clear.
To me the 32 million pound player is arrogant and that is not in his playing – that is just in his attitude – and I am not making it up – he’s actually shown the world his antics over the past few weeks.
Now I do not deny that he will end up being a good player – but what is to say that he might not be the be all and the end all that everyone thought he might be?
To say he is the Belgian Messi is absolutely preposterous – Messi has achieved a lot more at Hazards age and then more so
Again the kid is a good prospect but he clearly states that when Roman intervened he changed his mind. This is no sour grapes from me – fair enough we have done that too – however it does tell you the mentality of the player – and in this case for now the money was more important than signing for a team and getting your head down.
Make no mistake he would have made a lot of money at United too – to say players don’t is stupid – the fact is chelsea city and Madrid have inflated wage packets in order to make sure that players come to them – the lure of these teams now is to provide profit first then team building second – one cannot deny this either as it is for everyone to see.
It is for everyone to see – one can’t deny city and chelsea winning the trophies they did – but one may look at them and think twice if they are the right teams to go to because of the way they are run/conduct themselves – the fact is the double/triple pay packet to players and agents gets rid of that possible obstacle – this one can’t deny either.
If that is what a player wants – he’s entitled to it – but that doesn’t mean they are better players now does it?
Antiscouser
Kagawa only had a year remaining on his contract and thats why he was cheaper jus like Ozil.
@Balaji
Hi mate. Well it’s a big debate and you can find valid arguements on both sides. One could say that if we didn’t spend as much as we did in 02 and 04, Rio and Rooney would have never joined United. Some players are worth the punt. No doubt about it. I had the same arguement with Liverpool fans 3 years ago when they bitched about us buying the title. My point hasn’t changed. If you are willing to spend a lot of cash on the right player, then you’ve solved your problem in that position for years. If you spend that same cash on 2-3 players, you boost your squad, but it’s very likely they might turn out like Obertan or Tosic. On the other hand, one could look at Hernandez and Andy Carroll and have no doubt which club got the better end of those 2 deals.
Anyway, I don’t know how much all this has to do with us being sensible in our spending. If our financial state was different, I am pretty sure we would have spent 30 or more million on one player. But like I said. It won’t happen anytime soon. So we might as well stop obsessing over Hazard.
@MG
All I’m saying is there’s correlation between price and quality. A more expensive player is MORE LIKLEY to be a better player, than a less expensive one. Nothing you have said disproves this.
And Messi came through Barcelona youth ranks. He played there from 2000-2003.
@MG
Agree with some of your points there.
But do you think that Kagawa alone is the man to take this United team to the next level?
It’s difficult to say but I think that United require more than one man in midfield to make that difference. After all United are in the business of winning things.
I don’t think that because Kagawa was cheaper than Hazard makes him any of a worse player. Kagawa had a year left on his contract and we quite frankly picked him up on the cheap. He is worth atleast double that figure.
But if these players were so good why were Real and Barcelona not in for them?
Even sports journalists in Belgium can not understand why Hazard has demanded such a fee. I mean was he really that good against Ingurlund? He scores most of his goals through penalties.
Whether fellow reds take this in to account I don’t know.
Another thing to think about is that SAF will always first and foremost look to bring players through the youth system. If we are missing players there he will have a look around and try and bring players in from other youth systems. If that fails then every now and again SAF will go out there and compliment the team with a big money signing.
Will SAF ever make another big money signing for the next up and coming talent like Rooney? Under the current transfer policy I find it unlikely. SAF is going to have to build this next generation on a completely different economic scale and set of rules than before.
Jeet – Based in Gurgaon myself. Am definitely interested in heading to Cal. Let’s catch up sometime here ?
AntiScouser
I can’t bat on if you are not reading what I am writing
If you believe what you believe fair play no harm done to me
Free press and opinion and all
At the end readers should heed a balance in the proposing argument/discussion
You can’t because you want to justify your belief and why not like I said we are all to ourselves – good luck to you come back on this subject in a years time – I hope to prove you wrong in my perception.
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hi Romers,
i really hope that STR sign a new thread, i know this one still deliver just like Paul Scholes but a new one will bring freshness and inject some pace in my browser
@Jeet – Thanks for the Info mate. Have bookmarked thelink
It would be a fucking party alright mate, can’t wait to join the fun if this does go through (fingers crossed).
Salt Lake Stadium is no OT by a long long way but you bet the noise and atmosphere there will beat OT’s hands down
AlphaRS
No I don’t I still think we need a midfielder in the team simply because I can’t see Anderson improving – I could be wrong – and although I believe Fletch will come back – still don’t know when.
Another midfielder is a must – and if Berba is gone maybe a striker – will be interesting to see what happens to Macheda…
The other talent of course is Neymar and as everyone knows from my football manager days I am a firm believer in the kid
KAGAWA welcome to the greatest club of the world, this is a privilidge for you and us, you are the first Japan player playing for United. Welcome and make us proud and happy with many many trophys.
I am very exited to see what will he bring and how will SirFerguson change our formation so it adapts to Kagawa. Because we need to get the best of him, and not play him out of position, we play already Anderson, Park, Giggs and Nani out of positions and it has put us in a crazy world. So let’s hope we bring the best of him.
AND for some Luis Nani news to those who cares about his future http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/3396/euro-2012/2012/06/06/3152413/nani-ronaldo-is-number-one-but-portugal-do-not-depend-on-him
Relating United look down.
Nani went on to talk about his situation at United, admitting that he is not satisfied with his bit-part role this season, but stressing that he still has many plans for himself at the club.
“Like any footballer, I want to play more minutes but I understand and accept what the coach chooses,” he added. “Not all of us can play, and it is a great success for any player to be at Manchester United.
“I have always said it and I do not regret it: my aim is to be the best in the world and playing at a club like United, I can achieve it.
“This season, I experienced a different and strange sensation because we did not win anything at the club. The last few minutes of the last game were especially frustrating with the news that came in from City.
“I do not see the Euros as a chance to prove what I can do for United. And even less so because Ferguson knows me perfectly – and that is why I am at United. Recognition for Portugal has nothing to do with Manchester United.
“My future? I have a contract with Manchester United and I am relaxed.”
Busby babes – Sorry for the delayed reply. Loading these comments from a phone is a pain in the ass!
Spot on about Kagawa. He stepped up to the plate when Gotze was injured. He’s a brilliant player, who will add that little bit of magic to our team. Can’t wait to see him in a Red shirt!
Nani forgot to say the immortal words
It’s polemic
I was trying to pull out of the smiley addiction
Until they pulled me back
Just for you Willie
@Atin: Wow, of course man – let’s plan something for the first game of the season!
@Indian Devil: ohh no doubt, the atmosphere will be beyond belief, and in all probability, will be stronger than the typical OT atmosphere. So much “gloryhunters” eh?
Actually we signed Djemba Djemba 2: Rise of the Kleberson
This Kawaga sounds like a Japanese Samurai sword we can’t afford
MG you are always funny, Ronaldo liked that word and also he liked the word confidence
I feel confidence, never confident
A team with Rooney, Valencia, Nani, Young, Welbz, Clevs, Chicha, De Gea, Vidic, Rafael Jones and Smalling and new signing Kagawa is a great team my friends, I could have added all the players names hahah.
The time I started writing the names I noticed that we have only good players
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Costas, I think the sensibility of our buying strategy comes for a few reasons.
1) We can “never” compete with City, Chelsea, Barca, Real. These four clubs can outbid anyone on the planet for any player for any amount of money. Even if you take the debt out of United, even then we cannot compete with those four for any players. So, there’s no point living in the delusion that we can. As I said in my previous analogy, it is like you being in the market for a house that Bill Gates also wants. Two things happen: Either you get outbid for the house in which case it isn’t yours. Or the bid is raised so high and then he drops out leaving you in the market for an overpriced asset. We don’t want to be buying overpriced assets. So, it is better to drop out of the race.
2) Unlike real estate, the value of a player is also linked to wages. Taking this into account also, we cannot compete with those four. Consider that we feel Hazard is worth 150K per week. Those four can offer Hazard 250K per week out of spite. There’s no point trying to outbid those four when it comes to wages because it isn’t a loss for the club. In our case, it is a major loss for us to pay a player that much. From this POV also, it is sensible to drop out of the race for our own good.
3) Return on investment. When was the last time we paid 30 mil for a continental player. Never. Veron was a flop and Berbatov has a much better success rate but is not a player who has convinced everybody (their loss). Look at our costly buys. Rooney was an Englishman who wanted to play for United. Rio was an Englishman who wanted to play for United. Both of those players are still playing for United and have proved to be great investments.
You will be hard-pressed to find that in a continental player. More often than not, their first choice is going to be Barca or Real, not United and England. Secondly, even if they choose you, they are probably eventually looking to leave you for a move to Spain. So, paying over the dollar for a continental player and paying him wages in the in six figures per week doesn’t sound like a good investment to me at all.
We did get Berbatov for 30 mil which happened after the Glazer takeover. Why? Because his wages would’ve been nominal compared to the bloated sums these European stars are earning. I am pretty sure that if an English player came along who wanted to play for United and was valued at 30 mil and we actually wanted to go for him, we would’ve bought him. It is as simple as that.
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