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Oh dear. Ignorance isn’t always bliss is it? Good response there Scott.
As for Terry, I thinkl he might be allowed to join in the celebrations after the ceremony is over. Just like Scholes and Keane did in 99. But in terms of getting a medal? Fuck no.
Oops. Looks like he will get a medal, just not lift the trophy. Oh well. Hopefully it will be a loser’s medal to go along with his other one.
delighted for the kelpto mommy druggie daddy squashed faced racist terry!!
The yellow card rule needs to be changed. Players on yellow getting a second and then missing the final is unjust. If affects how they play in semi-finals – instead of focusing on playing their best football they are worried about going in for tackles. Red card fair enough but to miss out on a final because of a soft yellow from a card happy referee is simply not fair. Players are distracted by it before the event and if they do get a card even more so after as their disappointment is palpable and their mind is no longer on the game.
in other news i here the boss is banning all pre-match interviews before the derby and taking the lads down to Wales to train. Good call banning the pre-game interviews imo. my heart is fucking racing for Monday night. i want Scarfs head
Quite often a red card can be harsh too. As the Fletcher incident in 09 proved. Don’t know. I am usually of the opinion that bans (whether it’s for yellow or red cards) shouldn’t be served in cup finals. 7 players missing the Ch.League final for that reason is a joke. But then I look at Terry’s red and I can’t argue with him missing the final either. It’s a debate that will continue to go on and probably nothing will change.
oh no, john terry won’t lift the ucl again? Hope da German machine makes them cry again.
Excellent response to the Sport Witness StR!
The stupid look on Terry’s studid face when he see’s red is priceless.
That’s my screensaver for the rest of the week
gaz
Great move by the boss mate, keeping the lads relaxed and focused ahead of the derby… Would not surprise me if RedNev paid the lads a visit and pumped them up!
gaz @ 09:11: “i want Scarfs head”
That’s the thing about the everton result. If we had gone in 5 pts ahead, I doubt they would have put up as much of a fith as I expect them to do now. Result – United win the league by 8 or more points, and wankini gets the sack. Now, even if we do win, he has a decent chance of saving his job, pleading that he run us very very close right till the “bitter” end. would love to see the bastard go, not because I think he’s a top jerk (which, surprisingly I dont think he is – just a little ball-less and caught in the wrong job, he’s probably a decent manager). But because I would love to see a new bastard come in at shitty, lots of players leaving, more 100s of millions spent, the dressing room “leaders” giving the new gaffer hell, and generally all sorts of entertainment and a quick derailment of “the project”. Might still happen, but 3 pts last weekend would have helped a lot.
Mancdub- I said the same priceless. Love to see a condom superimposed over that card. And an excellent screensaver too. My favourite is him clutching the badge in Moscow .
Hopefully the fan with the why always us 20 sign will keep it under wraps.
I think players banned for cup finals must stand, as much as it is harsh.
Imagine a player does a Suarez and makes a save to ensure his team gets to the final, or he makes a professional foul to prevent a counter and somehow escapes the red card. Punishment must exist or there will be mayhem in semi-finals
Gutted that Real lost. The Barca fixture sandwiched between their tie with Bayern did them no favours. I don’t hate Bayern, only Ribery, so I hope they trash Chelsea
@Cedars
fucking would love that!!!!!!!cant wait for the game i can see a Nani goal he always seems to score against the blue oily basterds with there fucking gay scarfs
Gaz- hopefully we will see at last two nano summersault’s Monday.
Nani not nano
@jeet – great point fella the thing i love when the use the word project is a project has a start date and End date fucking numpties!
@red billy that would be fucking class maybe the boss will give it a go hah!!
Morning all. I say get those grazers off our paddock.The vermin will consume every blade of grass untill there is nothing but bare earth.They are blood sucking leeches and need to be smeared like bugs on a wall.usa-Fuck Off!
More on a similar vein-LMAO to see that trog terry suspended.Poetic justice to a first class scum bag.
Jeet if the scarf wins the title he will be asking someone to pour water on the floor so he can walk on it.This was apparently done by someone a few thousand years ago.Maybe he has a trip to lourdes planned for the weekend to enlist more help.A first class lying,gutless, hypocrit would be easier to find in a nunnery.
@Trydent: Not in a nunnery, but you would definitely find many to fit such a description in, say, liverpool? mancini’s cuntingness, as far as i am concerned, is not by any means, a question of principle (whether it exists or not), merely one of extent
Mate I never mentioned the pool because it is full of them.Swiming in a sea of denial.They all pee in the water as well.
I actually offered two names for their supposed new stadium they once coveted.The “cesspool” and “slummy terrace” I suggested on their blog.It went down like a lead ballon.Ha!
balloon-my mistake.
Bobby Charlton’s Combover – Spot on. The yellow card rule is a piss take. Very unfair .
Gaz- prefer to see the boss do the Michael Jackson moonwalk in his top of the range 20 quid trainers….. Waving by by to the bitters.
@Costas
See I think Scott’s responce is a little idiotic and sums up the whole anti Glazer movement in general. Rather than there being some well thought out and rational reasons as the core point of argument against them it always ends up being “We can’t compete for players” and that’s ultimately not the fault of the Glazers but a problem in football in general.
For example was the PLC really doing much better competing for players against Chelsea than the Glazers have against Chelsea and now City? No it wasn’t, if anything it was struggling worse and we lost a number of players at the last minute to Chelsea under the PLC.
When we are against Sugar Daddy clubs like City and Chelsea (and the growing number on the continent) or against Clubs that are effectively protected and bankrolled by he state (Like Barca and Real) then any club like United who has always been run well and run within its means is going to struggle to compete at times, especially with players becoming more Mercinary than ever.
We wouldn’t have been any better off under the PLC because the £40mill a year in Interest would have largely left the club under the PLC as well in the form of Dividends and the various other costs that are incurred by being a PLC. And that’s assuming the PLC had been able to increase turnover and lowering unnessary costs as much as the Glazers have which they had shown repeatedly they weren’t that great at doing (Paying between 20-30% to agents rather than the normal 10% for example, no wonder the shareholders got pissed about that)
The only way we could have been better able to compete financially over the last few years would have been if we ourselves had our own Sugar Daddy using us as a play thing. Personally I hate that thought as it seems to go against everything the clubs always been about and I have to think that anyone who is Anti Glazer will be the same because after the inability to compete financially the undermining of our identity seems to be the next biggest issue they have with the Glazers.
Hopefully UEFA won’t bottle it with the FFP (although they already seem to be trying to backtrack) and football in Europe will start to get back under control. Then when clubs have to stand on their own 2 feet we will see a fairer reflection to the situation United are in
i seen a news report on the daily fail thats just made my blood boil some sick cunts (apparently sheep scum) have posted up a Munich page mocking the munich air disaster on Facebook the fucking cunts on Facebook wont take it down with some bullshit excuse, i am going to fucking e-mail those cunts at Facebook there gonna get it. I
f some little shit can get done for tweeting some vile shit about Muamba surely some scummy toothless fucking cocksucking excreted human beings can be locked up for that.
@wakey-You are deluded!
@Wakey: Maybe your opinions would get a little bit more respect if they weren’t so severely limited to defending the glazers everytime something like this comes up? Makes you look like a bit of a bumboy to be honest, or maybe a spokesperson for the family? Why don’t we ever see you talk about anything else, man?
RE: Yellow Cards
They are reset right at the start of the knockout phase now aren’t they (Where as in 99 I believe it was 3 through the whole compitition) so its not that unfair. 3 Yellows in 6 games after all is fairly excessive, at that rate over a whole league season they would be getting in excess of 18 Yellows a season
@Jeet
I do speak on other topics, not so much recently as I’ve been staying away from the comments as much as possible as I end up wasting hours reading and posting and I have been too busy with work to be able to do that.
I only replied this time because Scott’s responce in the article made my blood boil because he has generally shown a bit of intelligence on the matter but his responce was ignorant. Perhaps if the likes of MUST and Scott would actually have a proper debate on the Glazers where they didn’t go around twisting the financials into ‘headlines’ that take in those who don’t have any business finance experiance and Stopped trying to pretend the PLC had no issues OR that any other ownership apart from maybe a sugar daddy wanting a new toy to play around with would wan a return I might be able to get behind Wanting the Glazers out BUT while they rely on scaremongering and playeing their fellow fans for fools to push their own agenda thats not going to happen. Simple fact is MUST ar a bigger danger and Cancdr to the Club than Glazers at this moment
Wakey never changes.
Wakey
My 2 cents for what it’s worth. Any sense that your initial comment might contain was hidden by the big flashing neon sign at the entrance. “Scott’s responce is a little idiotic”
As I stepped around that obstacle, I was greeted with: “Rather than there being some well thought out and rational reasons as the core point of argument against them it always ends up being “We can’t compete for players” and that’s ultimately not the fault of the Glazers but a problem in football in general.”
This statement is not well thought out or rational at all. It is an inaccurate representation of StR’s response. His simple logic is that we are the richest Club in the world and earn about the most each year; we should be able to compete financially in the transfer market. If it is true that we are not able to compete in that way, the only person to ask questions of is the owners, whatever their surname is.
Personally, I believe that it is a minor issue us losing a few players because the chaps playing next door, or in Timbuktu, have more cash. So what? It is wrong how they got their cash, but it’s a minor detail. Almost every club in the World can’t compete with the new rich boys, we are just one of that multitude. As obstacles go, it pales when compared to the myriad of problems each and every team faces every year.
Being able to sign the most expensive players holds zero appeal.
Do we have to be the Club that always gets who they want?
That is comparable to only wanting to play monopoly if you get all the best properties.
I often hear “We just want to be on an even footing!”
Well, in the transfer market an even footing would be the budget of a League 1 team.
Yes, it’s bullshit that they won the lottery, and we earn our cash.
That is a minor impediment when considering all that is required to win major trophies.
@Wakey: Don’t know, mate – I’ve been on here for approx. 3 years now, and I’ve seldom seen you comment on anything bar your stance on the glazer issue.
I for one, certainly don’t have much time for MUST, particularly after the Red Knights fiasco, and I do understand a bit of how the whole leveraged buyout thing works. BUT, I do feel, that the debt has been a burden on the club, and besides transfers, there are other issues like ticket prices. Nobody’s denying they have done a great job with sponsorship deals, or trimming the costs though. And it’s just not sugar daddies who spend big – look at ‘pool (it’s a different thing altogether that they spunked 100 mil of the very best on utter shite). I just hope Fergie lasts longer than the debt, because frankly, without him, we would have had a tough time. To that extent, I do believe Scott is right.
Well argued, and very well said, Albert Ross.
Well said Albert Ross aka Sammy the bull aka Jerry the goon aka Peter the venkman!
Albert and Jeet-I cannot agree more.There is no point to argue with an arse licking sycophant that thinks those leeches are worth while people.They are utter filth of the first order!It is scum like this that have fostered greed and selfishness as the new aspiration.I guess he aspires to be the same,hence his stance.Next he will tell us the WMD were real.
Cheers Jeet!
Cheers WillieRedNut aka Red Bill Nutter aka Billy the Quick aka AnotherLineForTheGenius!
WMD! Get those WMD’s right here, right here!
(Trydent, that’s an oft-heard line from The Wire)
Maybe the’re part of a knock down sale from the former USSR?Mate the sadest thing is the most obvious.We as a species are the W’sMD to the earth and every sentinent being.
That is the sad truth.
Easer Island was inhabited, they multiplied, stripped it bare, and died because of that.
Much of the island and it’s fauna and flora died too. Destroyed en masse.
The WMD’s referred to are capsules of heroin-based narcotics being sold on the street corners of Baltimore. Another brand oft touted in The Wire was ‘Pandemics!”
Sorry mate the wire comment went right over my head.I rarely watch tv and have never seen this show.As to the “caps” well I see the results of this sickness everyday.Look around and see the greed junkies.Similar sickness just a different drug of choice.
Missed the first comment about Easter island.Perfect analogy,absolute gem.That is exactly what were are doing to the planet right now!Hard to miss.No more on this topic from me.I have already said too much.Time and place eh?
Notice ”Intoxicated Red devils will not be allowed into the Emtihad”. Stay sober no liquid lunches!
Is it Monday yet????
Who the hell is Lucas?
There’s no proof the Glaziers have refused Sir Alex any money for any player.Sir Alex has said himself he’s never been refused anything
From STR to the head of MUST
show me proof,Sir Alex doesn’t want fucking rent boys.I just read the same bollocks over and over again about Utd not being able to compete in the transfer market,show me the link of one player Sir Alex wanted but the Glaziers refused through lack of money
Wayne you’re a straight shooter and I agree about SAF not wanting rent boys.There is no way to obtain proof to your argument about funds being refused.Equally there is no way to prove the opposite.SAF will never do anything other than support this club.To speak out against the owners would not benefit us in any way.Look at the track record since the take over and how this was effected. It tells us all we need to know.I think we can agree to disagree on this issue.
@wayne: You’ll never get irrefutable evidence on that – it’s impossible given the club’s rightful need to keep such matters away from the public eye. However, given the outcomes, it is not impossible to arrive at a reasonable explanation of the events leading to aforementioned outcomes. I doubt very much that SAF would have asked for money and be refused – he’s too smart for that. He probably would have taken a look at things, and never asked for it. Like Albert Ross said, the fact there are sugar daddies spoiling the market should not be something that the “richest club in the world” has to break its head against. And I don’t believe that all of them players were rentboys. I do agree that all the anti-glazer proaganda is a tad exaggerated, but there is a grain of truth in it somewhere.
Trydent,Jeet but he’s come out and said there’s money if he needs it,has no reason to offer that if money is short,last season Gill came out and said there’s 160 mill in the kitty if Sir Alex needs it
Has anyone from MUST disproven this claim
wayne – good day sir!
In my comment at 12:43 I said “If it is true that we are not able to compete in that way”
I chose those words because I have never been shown any proof that we can’t compete for a player because Sir Alex isn’t given the money. I read pretty much all United news and opinion, and have heard many reasonable claims that are just not backed up. I can’t help but think that the evidence would be thrust into the limelight were it available.
Two cartage contractors, one with 20 new trucks, the other with 20 trucks that are 4 years old.
Which business is worth more? Which is more profitable? Which is better run?
Which business do you want to buy, or to work for?
These answers cannot be found in the information given. Much more must be considered.
I can say that personally I don’t want to be the strongest competitor in the transfer market.
The richest boy bought all the best easter eggs. Yay. He is amazing. Pathetic.
Another thing Utd spent 50 mill last summer and the rumors are pretty strong that Utd had agreements in place to sign WS and Nasri so that would’ve been close to another 50mill,being prepared to splash out 100 mill in one transfer window is not being competitive?
@Wayne: Nasri was a rentboy – no question. Not too sure about the Sneijder deal – just too much speculation around it.
I may be wrong, but I think the 160 mil that Gill spoke of was the cash balance at the time. Obviously a club like United, or for that matter, any responsible corporation can’t spend all its cash at one go. At best around a third, which is roughly what we ended up spending. I think the point is that had it not been for the debt, cash reserves would have been much higher. You could of course argue, that the cash reserves wouldn’t have been that high without higher ticket prices and generally good management which the glazers brought along. So we come to the philosophical debate of “life is a series of trade-offs” vs “it’s human and noble to always want more/better”.
End of the day, I guess we’ll never know. Personally speaking, by my estimates the debt’s gonna be there for the next 5 years or so, and hopefully Fergie stewards us through the period.
The main anti glazier campaign is based on assumptions and no proof?,let’s not forget MUST wanted to ruin the club so the Red Knights could buy it cheap and what fucking happens when the Glaziers go MUST never come up with answers.All they do is run a hate campaign against the Glaziers simple as that
There’s not 160 million in the bank now. It’s down to 50 million. Sort of agree with Wayne. The Glazers give Fergie money last summer to spend on whoever he wanted. Sounding like a broken record, he didn’t buy a CM. My biggest problem with MUST is, they were prepared to jump into bed with these RedKnight characters. IMO, if you do that, without really knowing if they’ll follow through with a bid for the club, makes you seem foolish. At the very start, I was with MUST. They lost my trust though. That doesn’t mean they can’t have a say on matters concerning United. I’ve argued for the longest time, that everyone involved should try and find some common ground on these issues. Instead of being impassive to each others opinions.
@Wayne: Please don’t confuse my issue with the glazers with support for MUST. As I mentioned, I have very little time for their propaganda, and they are anything but a credible alternative.
@Willie: if it’s down to 50 mil, then we must be looking at a lean summer, right? Where else on the balance sheet would transfer money come from if not cash?
Jeet – That’s according to the last figures that came out. Unless the Glazers find money from somewhere else, you could well be right.
The Glazers’ other franchise, struggling Tampa Bay Buccaneers, just spent lavishly on free agent signings. My worse fear is they are redirecting our income to their other interest. Look at the Tampa Bay
Buccaneers, one of the worst teams in the NFL and fingers crossed they don’t let us go down the same path.
Jeet @ 15:18: “if it’s down to 50 mil, then we must be looking at a lean summer, right? Where else on the balance sheet would transfer money come from if not cash?”
There are other ways to find spending money – aren’t you forgetting that one of these day OurGloriousOwners are going to “float” shares on the Singapore exchange. I have no clue how many people will want to buy into minority positions in MUFC but one possible indicator is that when the Glazers went looking to refinance their 504 million quid debt last year they got all that money in double-quick time.
Besides, the 50 million quid is in “cash” – it’s just an accountant’s way of fiddling the books. BUT if there is actually 50 million available to transfers this summer then I’d like to see a lot of it spent on a new box-to-box midfielder, UTD have been playing at a disadvantage since the injury/sickness double-whammy that have sidelined Owen Hargreaves and DarrenFletcherinho, who would have been key players for the last three/four years.
@Albert Ross
My statement was completely rational. It doesn’t matter how much money any club makes when that club has to live within its means and other clubs can run at massive losses. To be honest your reply seems less rational than mine as you seem confused about your argument as you critise my opinion but then go on to imply that Scott’s view is also wrong
The club have always even in the PLC days run on the sensible business basis of wage expenditure not exceeding 50% of turnover. That’s called being responsible because too much over that figure is where clubs start to run into problems. Have a look at the following table and see how much of their turnover most clubs spend http://www.themag.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/wages1.jpg
City spend 14% more than they make just on wages which is just crazy. Obviously our total figure shows we can still challenge to a point but that’s been acheived by good business driving revenues but if it’s one of those players like Nasri last summer or Robben in the past who are more driven by money rather than the chance to play for a team of real history and a team thats one of the Greats of World football then we will always lose out to a sugar daddy funded club as they don’t have to worry about spending money they don’t have.
I’ve just re read the sports witness article and can not find anything remotely idiotic in STR’s reply.
The whole theme of the piece is a pisstake. Who’s booing now?
Most of us actually.
I’ve yet to meet a fellow red that gives a flying fuck about the Forbes list.
United were a huge global brand before the Glazers arrived.
I’m not anti Glazer. But they sold the best player in the world for a huge profit and didn’t reinvest.
That for me is unforgivable.
They should of invested the Ronaldo money in the squad and don’t tell us the money is there if Fergie wants it. Because everyone knows that’s bullshit.
Wakey
Your description of what Scott had said was not rational or accurate.
I simply explained where Scott was coming from.
I then expressed a view of mine.
You were not bothered to represent Scott’s view properly. Now you distort my comment through your lack of attention to what I said. That is not a usable foundation for a decent discussion.
If you wish to resubmit a comment to me based on my actual response I will be happy to read it and converse further. Clearly I’m not going to respond to or even study your straw man argument.
Shall we try again mate?
I would hate to have a sugar daddy owner but United is the Glazers sugar daddy.