In the latest instalment of Wayne Rooney’s autobiography, which is currently being printed in The Mirror, our striker reflects on his red card at the World Cup in 2006. Ronaldo was one of five Portuguese players who was complaining to the ref but the press in this country blamed him not only for Rooney’s red card, but for England’s exit from the tournament, despite the game finishing in a draw and Gerrard, Lampard and Carragher all missing their penalties.
On the opening day of the following season, United smashed Fulham 5-1, with Rooney and Ronaldo repeatedly linking up well and both of them scoring.
This is what Rooney had to say about it all:
The papers decide we’re not going to work together because of an incident that happened during the 2006 World Cup. In England’s quarter-final against Portugal – Ronaldo’s Portugal – I got tangled up with their defender, Ricardo Carvalho, and accidentally stuck a boot on him. It looked bad, but actually it was a total accident.
As I protested my innocence, Ronnie started waving an imaginary card around, getting in the ref’s face. The official pulled out the red and I was off. An early bath. Tournament over.
When I walked to the tunnel, I knew I couldn’t really blame Ronaldo for what had happened because he was trying to win the game for his country. Besides, in the first half I’d tried to get him booked for diving, so I was as bad as him really. But moments after my card, Ronaldo started winking at the sidelines, and to people watching the game on the telly it looked bad, like he was dead pleased about it.
Down to 10 men, England then went out on pens and all hell broke loose – everyone immediately decided that Ronaldo and I were the best of enemies, and his wink would spell trouble for United in the coming months. I knew what was in store, so when I bumped into him in the tunnel after the game I gave him a heads up.
‘The fans will be going mad over this one,’ I said. ‘They’ll be trying to make a big deal of it, so we’ll just have to get on with things as normal because there will be talk all summer.’
He understood, he’s a bright lad, but not long afterwards the papers reckoned he was off to Real Madrid; apparently me and him weren’t talking, which was absolute rubbish. The truth is I like Ronaldo, always have done. He’s a good lad and great to have around the dressing room.
The United lads loved the drama, though. Everyone gave us stick and when we turned up for the first session back at the club someone even brought in a pair of boxing gloves, as if the pair of us were going to have a scrap before we warmed up for the morning. But after our first practice game together, everything was as right as rain. I could tell that we were going to have a cracking season.
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Just proves CR7 was craftier than our Roo at the time…….. probably still is TBF
I miss Ronnie at OT.
“I just think the way he plays the game and the goals he scores – he just looks spectacular,” Rooney said when asked why Messi is better than Ronaldo.”In my eyes anyway, Messi is the best ever.”
interesting read…the papers did make a big deal out of it, I remember the sun with their cutout of ronaldo’s face on a dartboard….these international tournaments bring out all the drama.
Ronnie was a genius who in his peak seasons 06/07, 07/08 took the matches by the scruff of the neck and won them.. Almost single handedly.. Similar to King Eric. The rest of the team were happy to support him.
Hopefully RVP can bring this to United, Im sure when back fit.. Rooney Kagawa and RVP can bring glory days back to utd.
Rooney and Ronnie up to mischief…! Lolz.
Can’t ever see Ronnie returning to OT despite speculation he ent happy at The Fascists. Just a ploy to get more money as per the clause in his contract.
Honestly at the time felt like much ado about nothing and looking back even more so. It was the media having a go at unsettling United as usual. DIdn’t work, and what a season we had. Our squad was peaking at the time and it was some of the best football United have played. Glad to see the way it was treated in the locker room, no egos and with a laugh.
Ronnie still talks to the kit man at United says Graham Hunter: http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/weekend-sports-breakfast/120909/graham-hunter-ronaldos-problems-real-madrid-180515
Ladies and gentlemen. ITS ON.
Rooney and Ronaldo was lethal in the day. 2005 they was boys and from 2006-2009…they wrecked the world with their combination.
Nobody could stand toe to toe with our might, backed by Cough* Tevez, Hargreaves in those days, it was the strongest United XI for a long while.
VDS
Brown Rio Vida Evra
Ronaldo Hargreaves Scholes Giggs
Rooney Cuntevez
with Carrick in and out. We was fearsome then.
I’m hoping Robin and Master Wayne can now kick start another fearsome period of time !
Clint
Aided by a midfield enforcer or at least someone in the mould who provided a bit of bite, feel if we had that know we’d be complete for me.
Fletch maybe so, but Rooney was smarter to stay. Grass mighty green at Man Utd.
I wonder if the players try to get each other sent off in training. I bet Iberian teams spend more time on that kind of stuff. You know, the kind of things that make Real vs Barca games stop/start. If the likes of Busquets and Ramos’ exploits are at one end of the scale and Carragher’s Nani kicking is at the other, then I’m somewhere in the middle. Others may enjoy the cunning cleverness in manipulating the rules in order to put pressure on the Ref. None contact dives should be retrospectively punished.
Papii!! Spot on man!!!
Some rotating , floating triangle. Rooney, RvP and Kagawa.
Papii, RVP plays for Man Utd!!!!!!!! How cool. The best PL striker and the best all around PL player!!!!!!! With the German league best!!!!! MMMUUUHHHHAHHHAHHAHHHAH!!!!
Ronaldo to Rio… “If it wasn’t for the bleedin’ weather… I’d be back at Man Utd.?! Brilliant
That should stir the pot!
What is Ronney playin at. What a heart attack for the virus
http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/weekend-sports-breakfast/120909/graham-hunter-ronaldos-problems-real-madrid-180515
#07 sorry mate.. missed your post.
Doubt it’s on TBH. But love anything that unbalances the ship at the virus
Cheers
I bet that mug Shearer was disappointed.
Ronaldo scored one of the best solo goal i’ve ever seen in that fulham game and Giggs volley was brilliant as wel. Ronaldo and Rooney were absolutely devastating together on the counter attack. Ronaldo’s dribbling and flair added with Rooney’s drive, determination and power/technique. They both did some damage but generally, Rooney was a supporting cast to Ronaldo, he provided most of the assists.
The media have always tried to invent unrest in the united camp. This crap about them falling out was nothing more than a myth, they tried to drive Ronaldo but thankfully, sir alex stood up for him and united benefited.
According to BBC (no quotes!):
‘Jonny Evans declared himself fit to face Luxembourg in Tuesday’s World Cup qualifier, following a squad training session on Sunday.’
I seriously miss ronaldo here. I would personally go to madrid, pack his bags and fly him to Manchester if he wants to come back. An absolutely devastating player. Can take over a match ON HIS OWN. just too good. Sometimes I watch madrid games and I just think. We had this man for about 6 seasons. Fergie is a genius. Please Ronaldo if you wanna come back you are welcome. the door is always open. Maybe if Ronaldo comes Nani can go to wherever he wants to go.
Diminutive Tom Cleverley ha always had to play ketchup.
England team-mate Kyle Walker reveals: “I’ve been in the England set-up with Tom since the Under-21s, and he loves ketchup. He even has it on Sunday dinners. When we were told we’re not allowed ketchup in the senior set-up, I could see the devastation on his face.”
Our Tom is full of red sauce.
Hillsbrough, a tragedy. Full stop.
“I don’t want Rooney to leave these shores but if he does, I think he’ll go abroad” – Ian Wright.
Phil Neville says:
“I want to keep playing for as long as I can. At least one more year at the top level if I can. I still have ambitions. For instance, I’ve always wanted to sample playing abroad, a different culture and different life-experience for all the family. Time’s running out, I know, and if the gaffer [David Moyes] comes to me in January and wants me to stay another year then the decision’s made for me.”
Looking beyond his playing career:
“I’ve always had long contracts in the past and coming to the last year you can be fearful, but I’m quite excited,” he explained. “The three days I had with the Under-21s were, well, life-changing. I really got the bug. My strength has always been in professionalism and preparation, and coaching is just an extension of that. It gave me a real insight into what I want to do.”
“I’ve got my A licence now, I go to games and study methods and read a lot. I’ve always been into the fitness side, my [twin] sister’s a conditioning coach so I tap into that. I’m a long way short of being a coach or manager but I’m trying to learn all aspects of it. I think some managers go into it under-prepared, and I don’t want to be one of those.”
Dreaded Red – interesting remarks from Philip there. Asked (a few months ago) on Twitter who he thinks will take on the United job, “Giggs” was his reply.
I love ketchup, poor Tom.
The Shity Sheikhs working on weather machine.
xol – I remember hearing about that, probably repeated here on RoM. It’s interesting because Philip’s opinion would be carefully considered, and very much in-the-know. There’s much obvious merit to Giggs; hardworking, understands the club, faithful, cheap! I wouldn’t have been the first to suggest him, which means precisely nothing. I guess that i’ve just never imagined him running the show at training, and as a captain he’s no Roy Keane. Again, that means nothing, as all managers are different.
Now that Phil and Ryan’s cards are on our table, adding to Blanc, Ole, etc, I think we can spend a moment remembering the long list of ex-United players that have hoped forlornly to follow Sir Alex. My money is on Tom Cleverley or Danny Welbeck to take over from SAF in 2020.
DreadedRed – Giggsy has the respect of younger players, he’s wise and leads by example. When a younger player celebrates inappropriately, it’s his hand that covers their mouth. The away game against Blackpool was the first time I considered him. There was a mountain to climb in that second half and he looked just as pissed off as the boss. Even after the comeback started. No goal celebrations, just the goal of getting the 3 points. Disciplined with his training and fitness, reinvented himself as a player in various roles, good with interviews. He was probably one of the players who said of Porto’s young Ronaldo, “Fergie – sign him up”.
xol – all excellent reasons to consider Giggsy favourably.
I know the Knighthood took a knock from the affairs, but Sir Ryan succeeding Sir Alex has a great ring to it. Plus it would irritate our rivals fans no end.
He could also take a late penalty once a year, keep the consecutive-season stats going.
Dr Dread Player coach until he is 43.
Shear talks up Clevs
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4529145/Alan-Shearer-says-Tom-Cleverley-is-the-real-deal.html
The Robbie Brady looks to be able to go to the next level. I like the look of the lad. Powell is a stud as well. Great goal for his U-nder team.
InZibinator – player, coach manager; tearing teams apart for 50 years.
SAF has tried hard to get a top wide player the last 2 years, Sanchez, Hazard, Lucas and such nothing. Yet I feel Jan. Might bring the Mexican CM player from the Oly’s and 2 more. Could both be wee lads like Sean Goss this summer. But ???? I know he does seldom work in Jan. The wide guy???
i’m getting sick of this cristiano wankfest anytime his name is mentioned. here or elsewhere you see fans literally pissing themselves to get the guy back. I understand he is talented, he left no doubt about that to all during his time with us, but he made his choice. He said it’s his childhood dream to be playing for the virus and he used United as a stepping stone to get to his dreams. Credit to him, he is a model professional and gave it his all from his first game to his last, but it’s over. He’s gotten over his time at United I think a lot of fans here need to give it a rest too. It’s embarrassing.
No need to start speculation about bosses either. There’s only one boss and his name is Sir Alex Ferguson. Anyone else would be a major step down. When the time comes I’m sure the great man will appoint a successor deemed worthy of the job. Till then I’m only interested in seeing one man lead us into the future.
Hey as a CAM he just might make 43 or more. WOW!!! GIGGSY!!! I would not cry foul if he got the keys.
Bill Russell won his last 2 championships as the Coach.
Maybe the greatest winner ever?
A great man in Civil Rights as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yftw2SjQlOI
utd_fc says:
i’m getting sick of this cristiano wankfest anytime his name is mentioned.
Then stand up, zip up your pants and leave the room,
this is a Man Utd blog, that what is done. Speculate through Nat weeks.
A circle jerk. I have heard of them. Maybe the RVP and Berba signing days, I touched myself while I typed.
The Berba jack was tough, I was in a coffee house.
Don’t be ignorant people..u know that all players aren’t angels..so it’s not suprising that ronaldo tried to make rooney get booked or even sent off..and eventually he did. The rest is history. Anyway, the most important thing is that United keep winning games and our players are happy..20 is a pretty realistic target this season..Come on United!
Zibbie
It’s a Man Utd blog. Ronaldo isn’t exactly a United player anymore. I don’t mind people remembering him fondly, i do too. But falling over themselves crying for him to come back makes us look like pathetic fools who can’t survive without him. I’d rather have my and my club’s dignity.
Trapattoni said that Robbie Brady can see the right pass just that little bit faster than most of his contemporaries, go past opponents when the opportunity presents itself and score the odd goal.
“I got a few goals for the under-21s and I think that’s what put my name about,” says Brady in relation to the last point. “Now, I’m delighted I’m here. I was getting ready for the flight to Italy (with Noel King’s squad) when they told me I’d got called up. Hopefully, come Tuesday, if I get a chance I’ll be able to show what I’m about.”
Sir Alex earlier suggested that he could provide cover for Patrice Evra at left back:
“Yeah, I feel better for having played there in pre-season and hopefully it will help me defensively. When I spoke to him [Ferguson] early last month, he had me as cover for left back and he wanted me to stay. But they’ve got cover at left back now and I want to play as many games as I can, so maybe another loan move would be good. I’m not sure another move to Hull is an option but I’ll see what the best move for me is.”
TOM CLEVERLEY the rapid rise of MAN UTD next top star!!!
Morning ROMers
Felliani says he might move on in the next transfer window.
Do we want him in a red shirt? Is he the type of player we want
to add a bit of muscle in midfield as well as bieng able to play a bit?
Combover:
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/169488.html
Please. We don’t need Fellaini. If that’s the level of player you wanna target we have plenty of talent coming through our own ranks.
Anderson hungry for success
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Sep/brazilian-anderson-hungry-for-trophies.aspx
What wrong with having fond memories of a player that played a starring role in us winning the premier league 3 years in a row and the Champions league?
It was probably our most dominant spell of time under Fergie and obviously some fans are still pining after Ronnie…who wouldn’t want the greatest available asset of club football at their team? We had him and he chose to leave for a bomb.
No point being bitter about his move, he gave us everything, 100% and we should enjoy what he contributed, Madrid fans are to spoilt to enjoy what he’s doing over there.
Clint
Like I said, nothing wrong with reminiscing my friend. Heck even i’d take him back in a heartbeat, that’s a nobrainer. But there’s a limit to these things. Anytime he even breathes the slightest bit of discontent the media starts printing bullshit like “Sir Alex willing to do whatever it takes to get former Trafford star back”. He’s Sir Alex not some two bit whore, and the only reason the media goes into over-drive is because we have typical plastics wetting themselves over a Cristiano return.
Personally I don’t see him coming back. We made sold him for a huge profit, and we’d probably end up spending more just to bring him back which does not make much financial sense. Also, if he thinks he can play with Madrid till he’s 28-29 or even 30 and then try to come back here for his twilight years he’s sadly mistaken. A player like Cristiano relies on his physical attributes. He won’t be much use to us without his electrifying pace and strength. It’s not like we’re a fucking MLS club.
Ronaldo is an ourstanding player and professional, allowing for his occasional egotistical escapades.
Personally , if he clearly indicated a wish to return , fine. But the club us bigger than him and will remain in contention for silverware with the talented pros we have.
WHERE IS THE POSTER THAT SPOKE ABOUT FABREGAS, looks like what he said might be true.
Ronnie coming back remains a pipe dream. As much as i would love to be proved wrong just cant see it happening. On the other hand another wide player is looking likely if Nani is to be offloaded. And it would need to be someone outstanding if we’re looking to improve. Shame we couldn’t bag Hazard, and looking around Europe there really seems to be a premium on the type. Might just have to settle with either Rooney or Kagawa alternating with Ashley Young with us shifting between a 4-3-3 and an orthodox 4-5-1. Neither gives as much flexibility as what we have right now with Nani’s ability to cut in and play on both flanks. Haven’t seen much of Robbie brady but i think it’ll be a while before he’s allowed to come in. It would all be much simpler if we could just hold onto Nani.
@Kungfoocantona I think your brother was right, just read the guardian regarding the Fabregas situation could be pretty interesting if he comes. Have you got anymore transfer info?
If Fabregas comes to United, I’ll fucking streak the next time I’m at OT.
Not gonna happen.
kanchelskis
not a fucking chance in hell.
Fellaini on the other hand …
I know he’s not exactly glamorous and wouldn’t be the marquee midfielder everyone’s obsessing over. But the first few games of the season have shown us that those are petty concerns as we watch our midfield get routinely overrun.
Carrick can pass and screen, but can’t physcially dominate a midfield. And Cleverley showed for England that his best position is pretty far up the pitch (ironically where Kagawa’s been bought for). The only player who can put himself about is Anderson, and he only ever does that when he’s put a decent run of games together. He was ommitted for Southampton – not sure what to read into this. But I think if we want to work towards a midfield that can compete in terms of energy (maybe Fergie doesn’t want to do this), we need to give Anderson a run of games, or buy someone like Fellaini.
I’d disagree with that. Let’s try to look at all the aspects of a potential Fellaini deal. Everton bought him for around 15 mill if im not mistaken and all this hype going around him and a lengthy term left on his contract, add to the fact that Everton will be selling to a PL rival he’s not going to go for anthing less than 20-25 mill. Really don’t think it’d be a deal worth making. Bad value for money, i’d rather give someone like Tunni a run if you’re looking for that midfield destroyer kinda player, otherwise my first preference would be ando or cleverley. Don’t think he’s the best Attacking midfielder, heck i don’t see him turning into a worldclass centermid either, but he looks a decent prospect and can only improve with time. He’s a good lad and will do well for us.
erehW eht kcuf si aradec, siht ecalp t’nsi eht emas tuohtiw emos eno htiw a elttila ense fo romuh.
Please str, get him in
!!!
Internationals break very boresome
Anyways
Antonio V stats so far in the league
has attempted more open play crosses than any other PL player this season – only four have found a team-mate. Swinger.
Yeh Tony V’s been a bit off so far, hasn’t he? The weight of the no 7 shirt? lol
United are to play Nantwich Town in a friendly on Wednesday September 26, kick off 7:30pm. Sir Alex will send a team to the Weaver Stadium to mark 60 years since United’s record-breaking 23-0 victory over the Dabbers in the FA Youth Cup.
It was in the inaugural season of the FA Youth Cup that a young Duncan Edwards inspired the Busby Babes to a win that still remains the biggest in the history of the FA Youth Cup. Edwards had just turned 16 years of age but he netted five times that evening at United’s training ground at The Cliff. David Pegg and John Doherty also scored five times in a United line-up that included Albert Scanlon and Ronnie Cope, who will be Guest of Honour for the match. His counterpart Frank Stubbs, the Nantwich number 10 who came up against centre-half Cope that night, will also be a Guest of Honour.
Admission to the match is £9 adults, £6 concessions, £2 children.
Pay at the turnstiles on the night.
http://nantwich-news.co.uk/wordpress/2012/09/10/manchester-united-to-play-nantwich-town-in-anniversary-match/
PFA Profile of Manchester United midfielder Paul Scholes (launched today):
http://www.football.co.uk/profiles/players/paul_scholes_1058.shtml
@kanchelskis I thought Kungfoocantona was talking shit.
This is what Kungfoocantona said ‘ oh just for ur info i dont no how much truth is in it but my bro was just back from barcelona and he bumped into guillam ballague at a bar…hes a big united fan and said did he wreckon messi would cone to united as a joke and he told him that all jokes aside that he believes the reason fergie hasnt signed a central midfielder is because he believes he can nab fabragas next year as he doesnt believe he will b a regular for barca..ballague said he can see this happening if fabragas doesnt get much game tine which he doesnt think he will and united signing rvp will help with that deal…he also said about ronnies unhappyness at madrid but said a return to united isnt off the cards but thinks he may remain at madrid for tge rest of his career…take this news how u will but u can be gaurenteed those citeh bastards will go for fab although ballague did say he turned down citeh as he doesnt believe in there philosophyies…but money talks’
Then Fabregas comes out and says he is not really happy with his role at Barcelona saying there is no such thing as a super sub, so that got me thinking maybe there is a possibility and now today the Guardian are reporting Manchester United may be interested.
Nah, I don’t think so
What I have noticed is he does not look up before crossing hence most of his crossed to not find a teammate
If we had played more a poacher kinda striker (chicharito) maybe should of utilised more tony V’s effort
Correction “Crosses”
@Jay
But just think of all the unlikely things that would need to fall into place:
- the Glazers sanctioning another big-money move and wage outlay after our relatively indulgent summer
- Fabregas taking a pay cut
- him wanting to go to rainy Manchester when Paris and Milan would both be on offer (you know what these Mediterraneans are like!)
I just don’t see it to be honest
United Reserves completed a successful 2011/2012 season by lifting all three trophies in contention, namely Premier Reserve League North, Premier Reserve League National and Manchester Senior Cup.
This season United embark on the recently-created Professional League Development, a competition where United may face Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur.
New Professional League Development (PLD) Rules Summary:
- Under-21 PLD devised to bridge gap between Academy and first team
- 17 Premier clubs and six Championship clubs have Category One status.
- After the group stages, three new groups will be created based on performance.
- United must finish in the top three of National Group Two to qualify for the Elite Group.
- Top 3 from Elite Group and play-off winner from 2 Qual. Groups contest the semi-finals.
- 3 over-aged outfield players and 1 over-aged goalkeeper are allowed.
- At least 2 matches plus the play-offs, semi-finals and final must be at main ground of each club.
http://www.sportskeeda.com/2012/09/10/manchester-united-under-21-ready-to-compete-in-the-revamped-reserves-league/#ixzz263s1phtF
Fabregas coming to united?
Its bis
I second @jay
I have heard news of him expressing his unhappiness but the chances of him returning to england are very low, coupled by the rise of tom clevs. me think
Tom Cleverley vs Moldova One man wrecking crew!
Get In TC10!
Carrick a rock as well.
Hope this isn’t a repost. If so, cheers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eckeGYiI2F0
i feel roo is trying too put the idea of cr7 returing to old trafford out of ferguson’s mind and feels he will be forgotten if cr7 returns because rvp is now the number 1 striker
@Fletch
In the space afforded him by the Moldova team, I could’ve reeked havoc.
I mean, he made the best of it obviously, but I think he’s still yet to be tested by a top, well-organised team who deprive him of space and time. Last time he came close to this was vs Bilbao, and he was very poor in those games.
Will be interesting to see if he starts forthcoming games vs Toon / Spurs / Chelsea.
Agree with Kanchelskis in regards to Tom Cleverly , Moldova made England look a world class side, let’s see how he fairs against tougher opposition. England seem to always breeze through in the qualifying round as they play mediocre teams to be honest, that is why when it comes to the real tournament they always being found out.
Jay
to be fair m8 cleverley played well against italy, although i do agree that tougher challenges lay ahead.
the obvious thing to me about tom is that he needs to bulk up. I am not worried about any other part of his game. He is calm under pressure. He can make those big passes even though he prefers to slow it down most of the time. He’ll be an awesome player. Hopefully the injury part of his career is gone forever. I also hope Anderson is slimming down so we have more option in case of any injury mishaps.
What is refreshing about the England set up is that Cleverley and Carrick are “flavor of the month”. Find my blood pressure is a respectable level and self nodding in agreement instead of trying to rip the liver out of the telly.
Moldova were pathetic, but still a good practice match to get the turnovers clicking. Time will tell, but can’t imagine England 4th in the world rankings is any where near justified. Who comes up with these numbers any way?
Cleverley… Early days yet …. Had decent game against Moldova…. But they were shit… Let’s rate him after a hard season before making his already swollen head even bigger
Bulk yeah he does need that but only if we are going to play him as a defensive mid
Technically he’s awesome and that’s just about enough to succeed in top level, he sometimes can be pushed off the ball by big guys like everyone does in the PL
Imo bulking up is not the solution, only he needs to perfect his decision making in the final third.
Iniesta is a perfect example of that, and tom idolize his game on little spaniard
Tom can make any team tick
And I’m not hyping him up, Of course, it’s easy to get carried away, especially when it’s concerning a young, English player, and after all Cleverley has only made a handful appearances for United and country, but it’s the manner of his performances that are hugely encouraging. He’s been immensely impressive in every aspect of his game.
His crossing of the ball, has anyone noticed?
Beckham alike
I love the kid, at 23 yes he still has a lot to prove
Re the world rankings (England are actually third) … They may seem ridiculous, but it is based only on empirical measures.
- It only takes one defeat to go out of a tournament, no matter how big the defeat was or how badly you played.
- The fact is England haven’t lost (ie after 120 mins) a competitive game for over 2 years.
- They always do well in qualifying rounds and friendlies.
- When other big teams play friendlies, they tend to me a lot more experimental and end up losing unexpected games.
The world rankings are pretty meaningless and are only really in place to calculate seedings etc, so I don’t know why people get worked up about them. Nobody’s seriously claiming we have the third best national side in the world – that’s not what the rankings are about.
Proverb says:
He’s been immensely impressive in every aspect of his game.
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That’s just not true is it? As I mentioned before, against Bilbao he was impressive in approximately 0 aspects of his game. I’m willing to cut him some slack as he was working his way back from injury then.
That aside, by ‘every aspect’, do you include his shooting? He couldn’t hit a barn door, from what I’ve seen.
Not trying to be a doom-monger, just trying to curb some of the hype which is accumulating around him.
Thanks @kanchelskis
Me too didn’t know the rankings BCS
Javier Hernandez is dating Chaska Borek?! Aiiieeee!
I missed Ronnie and have still kept the ‘no.7 Ronaldo’ shirt I bought in Yokohama, Japan during the FIFA Club World Cup 2008. Ronnie passed the ball for Roo to score against LDU of Ecuador to win the match. Roo was voted Best Player and won a Toyota Hybrid car. I wonder where it is now?
His shooting is improving I’d say
But since his game isn’t based in that sort of play I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt
The bilbao game like you said, he was average
At best But so was everyone else and his lack of fitness could of contributed
But before that horrible davis tackle the boy was simply awesome
and now that he’s regaining the form that saw him inspire us in overturning a 2 -0 deficit against the bitters and the role he played in United trouncing the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea showed the quality he got.
But has I said earlier, his decision making in the final thrd needs improvement.
Cheers @kanchelskis
Yeh, I remember thinking at the start of last season that he was going to end up being the solution to all our problems.
That Davis tackle was ridiculous though and summed up the English game in a nutshell. Davis had talked before the game about how he was going to give United’s new boys a ‘going over’ (I think it was particularly in reference to Jones), and people just seemed fine with that. 20 minutes into the game and one of England’s bright young players, a rare technician and someone compatible with the future direction of the game, is leaving on a stretcher thanks to Davis’s ‘going over’. Criticism from the national press? Criticism from his own manager? Not a fucking chance.
He had horrible luck with injuries and by the time he was properly ready, he was only really being used as a makeweight in those Europa league games to keep Carrick and Scholes fresh for the title run-in – a plan that so nearly worked of course.
Thing is, if Kagawa’s to be played in his best position this season, Cleverley will have to be shifted deeper, so in a way he may need to learn the ropes a bit. He was superb against Moldova, but he was playing in Kagawa’s trequartista role. I think he will have the tenacity and adaptability to play either role, eventually.
By ‘his own manager’, I of course mean that twat Coyle. Fergie called Davis out on it, and rightly so.
Cleverley is never going to developing into a man mountain, i suppose he could work on his upper body strength and be harder to knock off the ball. It’s all well and good keeping the team ticking but can he offer crucial key passes that will be a threat to the opposition? can he grab the match by slamming a shot into the net?. He seems to lack composure in and around the box at the moment. looking at his loan spells, cleverley can score goals but at the highest level, it gets more difficult and teams are more organised. Has he got that craft in him?. These are my questions for tom, he has a lot of improvements to make. He has not had a full season with united and it’s important for his career that he does this season which hopefully will result in him becoming a better player.
Personally, i’ve never taken to felliani. He has an advantage over everyone because he’s taller. Everton play more long ball in their game and that does bring the best out of the nuisance belgian. His touch is good but he’s never going to get a long punt to him at united, he’s not very mobile across the pitch and isn’t a great passer of the ball. I really don’t get the need for him and don’t see united ever buying him. This is another myth.
samuel-united We stand:
As you say Fellini is of no value to United it’s not a department we are short in.Our need is for a man to prevent the Fellini’s getting the ball to cause us problems in the first place
Agree about fellaini. Wonder if people would be talking him up if he hadn’t so done well against us. He would bring a physical presence to the midfield but then all that talk of speeding up our game would seem pretty hollow. Fabregas on the other hand would be something else entirely. Sounds like a fantasy signing to me though. Thing is since Sir Alex splashed out on Robin Van Persie people are jumping on any potential signing. United dont have the financial muscle, or rather financial indiscipline for that. We got our goalscorer, now time to build from within. Its the way the clubs always been. We splash the cash but not silly money nor a go for wholesale rebuilding, but grow organically through a combo of youth and experience. The only reason I would see us going after another marquee signing would be if Sir Alex was seriously considering retiring soon ala 2001 and go out with a bang, but then I would take any such signings with mixed feelings.
Parry – how do you stop a man as tall as felliani? You’ll have to buy man mountains that are 7ft. I’ve always said it, the defensive side of the game has to be shared by the entire team, if united play as a compact organised unit without the ball then teams will find it difficult. Lately, united have had a knack of letting teams get on the ball, we do not make things more difficult for them. As for the fullbacks, they need to work a lot harder to deny crosses coming in, evra in particular gets easily beaten these days, almost like he’s lost his hunger and concentration. The centre backs are obviously still searching for sharpness, vida is still some way off his best but we need to keep the back four playing together consistently. Generally, if you don’t defend well as a unit, you concede goals.
Medum – fabregas will likely hold out and try to make it at his home town club. He’s a world class player though, a player that could be a ready made to take over from scholes. I don’t see it happening.
Incidentally, who’s getting in Vilanova’s starting lineup ahead of Cesc?
Good day all.
Something is up with Man Utd transfer kitty. With the new Chevy deal, the new TV deal, DHL official pimple cream of Guam. Money just starting to role in. Man Utd have had a self imposed salary cap of some 45% to 53% some where in there. Man Utd can afford 3 maybe 4 200K salary’s with 6 100K type sooner then people think. This Spanos guy buys all toughs shares for a reason. The clubs worth has doubled in 7 years that is 10% growth. It could double again in say 10 years making it a 7% gain and a money making machine. Asia is a new dawn, in the US the PL ratings on ESPN have doubled.
Fleetwood Mac had a #1 album called Rumors. Rumors, humors me. Horrendous happenstances happen upon those who believe to easily.
So Neymar, Fellini and Cese with CR7 coming in January?
Sterling called up to stop Jamaica stealing him, great management by Roy. We’ll talk about that later
@ Samuel
Agree on both counts. Its why I feel there’s no use dreaming about him. Clevs is, hopefully, the way forward. Who with him? Thats the qs.
@ Zibbie
I’ve actually been wondering what the projected state of finances is at Old trafford considering the new sponsorship deals and change in the “expert” stock valuation. Am looking forward to Andersred’s next write up. In my understanding we still have a bit of time till our Chevy deal kicks in. I suppose much of it will still come down to FFP and whether that limits the ability of oil money to outbid us, because lets face it while me may have improved our finances, those buggers don’t seem to have any limits.
Sterling called up to stop Jamaica stealing him, great management by Roy. We’ll talk about that later
Uncle loy doing a germany here
I copy pasted that
FFP Burlasconni sold his 2 biggest earners for just that reason, I saw an interview he talked like last summer was the last huge summer of spending..FFP how toothy will it be. Shity got depth this year but missed on their top 4 players, still have Sparky’s guys on the payroll. Can Real spend the Germans money on interest free loans to beat their teams in the CL??? Will these teams be left out of CL play?? Big things coming.
@TonyBee
The Cleverly hype is definitely premature. His challenge is to produce such a performance when physically challenged. Teams look to stymie him by bumping and shoving. It’s usually works. He must toughen up. The Moldova performance was superlative. Let’s see some of that in the Prem consistently. Make no mistake, I love watching him tick when he is confident and assured. Unfortunately that has not happened enough. Our nice Tom needs to be not so nice on the pitch and take no crap from opposing bullies. We as a team tend to get pushed around at times.
Regarding Fellaini, I don’t think he is what we are looking for.
ACT :
* Paul scholes could make his 700th appearances for Manchester United in next game.
* Ryan Giggs could make his 600th premier league appearances for Manchester United in next game.
* Sir Alex Ferguson could records his 600th league wins for Manchester United in next game.
HOLYTRINITY
Agree felliani is a good player but is’nt what united need other than his physical attributes, has if i remember rightly he’s been playing just off jelavic or he has when he’s come up against ourselves anyway? we more than compensated for in that area wazza,kagawa,cleverley,young all can play that role if need be.
With regards to cleverley he has the attributes it’s all about fine tuning certain aspects of his game, if he can stay clear of injuries then this could be a signifcant season in his development.
K here is one game then follow the ESPN link for the rest subed at th 65 min mark.
http://espnfc.com/us/en/report/348486/report.html?soccernet=true&cc=5901
Busby, the young Mexican who bossed the MF in the Oly’s is rumored to be on his way in Jan. a more CDM type. With 55 to 60 games a year many can play in SAF rotation system, I can see Clevs flirting with 30 games.
@ Zibbie
The Düsseldorf bankers have wised up considerably after getting shafted by Wall Street and Goldman Sachs. In addition, imminent and continuing ECB bailout has served to severely reduce the Spanish and Italian clubs big spending. Those clubs funded by petrodollars are seeing their buying ability curtailed due to weak earnings by FFP’s rollout.
That puts us in a VERY VERY good place going forward. The macroeconomic tides would seem to raise our ship while marooning others with less forward thinking.
zibbie
To be honest m8 not seen to much of the mexican guy in question but if he offers from a defensive aspect in the midfield area then he’d be a welcome addition.
RE FTE and orchestrating the demise of the mega teams.
Ultimately it is a fallacy to think FTE is about stopping the mega rich from financing footy teams.
FTE is about getting a better mix, to insure there are fewer Leeds, Rangers, Portsmouths, and Forests.
Busby, he has gone after some big targets as of late. I never got to watch him as the guy to watch. I saw some of Mexico in the games. I remember him as a strong quick tough player. He had a good understanding with his CM partner. Together they were real strong.
Fletch. FTE? is an acronym for? oh hello!
FFP ofcourse
lol
Judging by what’s been said about him he sounds a good player. to be fair m8 i only caught the final and i vivdly remember the centre half for mexico he was outstanding was it reyes?
With the sharing of TV money the PL rocks !!!!!
BB I just can not remember. They were awesome pair.
In the US they have a reality TV show about making the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders.
Young expansionist hotties just shaking their money makers. WOW
@ Zibbie
What exactly are the Cheerleaders expanding?
I don’t think we are looking for someone to go toe to toe with the likes of Fellaini & Yaya. We just need someone to be in their face when they have the ball, something we missed since Fletcher is out. Those man mountains can take the ball down all they want, but at least make them do something with their feet rather than give them free rein to run at us. As for defending corners & set pieces, we just have to depend on Vidic getting back his fitness and strength. He looks so skinny these days.
Another thing. Anderson has come out and said that we need to improve. Well boy, if anything, you are the one who needs improving the most. Sir Alex trusted you to come good even as almost all of us are giving up, and you might be one of the reasons why a new midfielder did not come in. So you’d better buck up and return the faith.
*Joke of the day
Benitez has said that he was surprised Liverpool did not look for him to replace Daglish.
He still does not get it that he started the rot for Liverpool?
samuel -united We stand.
You stop him by having the def midfielder who denies him getting the service in the first place his height means fuck all if he is just ambling about because his supplier is getting harassed and is forced to play it backwards or sideways,exactly as teams do to United.
Hey
Surprised the ban is lifted!!!
Is that the overhyped injury prone elf boy Jack Wilshere on the left of the picture behind Ronnie?
Interesting. The Mexican might be exactly whats needed to take some pressure off Carrick. On the other hand wonder what this means for Fletch. Was hoping would get to see him make a rousing comeback of some sort. Though expect even if he did it would take him a while to reach the heights he managed to reach. For a period he was the finest disruptive midfielder in the League and possibly Europe. And his ability to pass the ball was always unappreciated.
Lebangalese
Overhyped? The boy had a fantastic season. Arse’s run-in w Barcelona he was prob their only saving grace. Outperformed Fabregas in that game too, altho to be fair he was so unsettled by them Barca cunts he looked a shadow of the player he is during those days.
Anyways a fully fit Wilshere could do wonders for our midfield. Pity he’s a fuckin gooner
Sandeep
Hi mate. Long time no see
Hello 1878!!
Fellaini? No chance. Only turns up against United. He didnt “over run” us like I keep hearing, more outjumped us. He is about 7 fucking feet. Decent player, good touch but no not for me.
Cleverley WILL live up to the hype. Top drawer little player.
King Eric. The more I see of Tom the more I like. Uncle Roy says after watching him up close, he gets what SAF sees in him.
King Eric @ 19:21: “Cleverley WILL live up to the hype. Top drawer little player.”
He looks outstanding with Anderson – less so with Carrick and/or Scholes. I can’t see him being played further up-field since that’s KagawaBunga’s position and, so far as I can understand, signing him was the lynch-pin for evolving this team away from the over-reliance on wing-play/crossing into the box. I was impressed with RVP’s use of his noggin – both against Soton and in the Dutch WC-qualifier. I’d always thought that RVP uses his right foot (his so-called “chocolate leg”) and his head about as often as AV7 uses his left foot.)
Better historians than me, please chime in; I somehow think only Sparky returned better than he was before. Mind you, he’s the only one I can think of who did return.
Ronnie is a memory. RIP
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SAF has admitted to spending a few minutes in New York talking to Pep Guardiola.
Very interesting that is.
On a slow day, this conversation between a bunch of muppets worth a READ
Re: How can you hate England, yet support United?:
 redmancr:
 foot2ball:
 redmancr:
 foot2ball:
 redmancr:
 foot2ball:
 redmancr:
 foot2ball:
 Matt Stevenson:
 redmancr:
You lot seem to miss Matt’s point, he’s not talking about supporting the national side for *** sake, he’s talking about hating a country and/or it’s people yet ‘supprting’ one of it’s teams. I’m waiting for the first idiot to call us a ‘global club’.
That is exactly my point, I’m Australian and I’m pretty much a neutral when it comes to the English national team. I have a preference for them over other national sides, simply because of the United players that play in it, but I’m mostly a neutral. I’m alos talking about those who hate the style of English football, who instead of supporting a Spanish team, whinge and complain that we don’t play like a Spanish team.
This is a stupid thread, to say you are netural is quite funny, have you seen your flag? And to the idiot redmancr, yes this is a global club, SAF is doing most of his recruiting in central and south america now, and he’s Scottish!
I’m the idiot, yet your ignorance about the world seem to be the only thing left in your little brain. So which country are you from, leech?
Do you know why this thread was started is because idiots like you that are still around in England. Your lot is like the teabaggers here in the States.
Ah, the states. That explains it then. Shouldn’t you be following a bunch of lads in tights instead of a sport you know nothing about?
Hey sunshine, sky sports just did a spot on how fast your lads are putting on those tights. care to take another swing?
Why should I? Americanization is the reason other countries put on tights, jump on other lads and call it sport. Amongst other things of course (eating junk food till you can’t get in the door, go on a monthly mass murder in the campus etc.).
If you didn’t know England is one of the fattest countries in the world, just a couple onces behind us. Get over this ultra Nationalistic fervor, it just hiding the insecurity that these group have. Hopefully my country can hurry up a build the next Mayflower and ship these fools somewhere far away, like what your country did with the Puritans. Do I need to book you a ticket, redmancr?
You want to talk facts, the USA is the 9th fattest country in the world, and the first in the Western world with 75% overweight. Britain int even in the top 20 with 60%. but talking about the few things your country’s good at – thinking you’re better than others while in reality you have less morals than a terrorist on crack. Which leads us to your next ‘point’, remind me how long it took you to view black people as normal people?
Well I found a link that put the UK in 7th. As for morals, look who talking, if we didn’t have the support of our lapdogs then people like you of my country wouldn’t go around half-cocked so often. As for the black people, your country supported the redneck hicks in the south during our civil war. And maybe you should go ask the blacks in England when they started to have a fair shake. I’m mean if it so fine and dandy there then why have a campaign to stamp out *** just recently. Thoughout this discourse I have point out the faults of my country yet, you keep slating my country and ignore your own. You my friend need to leave the army, they don’t need narrow minded hotheads there.
I picked that in the clubs official site
I pissed myself!!!
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/manchester-united-top-premier-league-production-league-with-the-b
I don’t know has anyone posted these videos, but take a look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krka4o36RLw&feature=related top ten
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY4i80q5ZVA&feature=player_embedded history.
That is amazing iced earth.
SOmetimes when i watch premierleague football with my dad or mother, I alwasy tend to say for example something about :
That player has played for us, this is a United youth, this guy played 30 games for us and so on..
And it’s alot when you look at it, how many player came from the youth and how many players cam as young lad who just didnt make it till the end and moved away. It is a huge amount of players
Apparently Rooney has some interesting things to say in book, I can’t wait to read it. Hey Rooney and Ronaldo was mature enough about this situation. They did a good job in not reacting to this situation in negative way.
I’m with King Eric on this one.
Fuck Fellaini…incompetent midfielder ! Worth little to other team but that £15m is his value to Everton, his Value to us or Man Shity would be somewhat near the £10m mark.
Why? He’s a hoof-ball receiving specialist, Everton has moulded to his key attributes of being tall and a handful in the air. The other’s pull the strings with passes, the wingers hoof the ball, he simply makes the runs to best maximise the limited resources of Everton and Moyes. At a club outside Everton. he’d massively be exposed for his weaknesses.
He’s massively over-rated and no better than Dickson Etuhu in the middle of the park.
Clevs is the bomb at 22, he’s done nothing and the country is masturbating. Give him 5 seasons at the highest level with United and we’ll have pregnant men craving a bit of Tom every match. He is bright one….but no star yet, he needs to be ignited and SAF and being grounded his only path to that.
Support your own !
Peace Out RoM Town
And on a completely unrelated note, congratulations to Andy Murray on his first major. I suppose the Gaffer proved a good luck charm for him!
Congratulations to United fan Andy Murray on his first grand slam title. The first of many I hope for him. Fed will soon hang the racket up. Nadal isn’t looking too good at the moment with all this fitness issues. Only Nole left to contend with for now. Things are looking up for Andy.
Happy for Murray, never knew he was a United fan, Sir Alex was in the crowd cheering his fellow country man, must have been special for the lad to have such a huge person like Sir Alex behind you!
Going totally off topic
Today marks 11th anniversary of 9/11/2001 terrorist attacks
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Fergie should crash every press conference before Murray’s finals in the future. Clearly did the trick.
Robin v Persie first goal for MUFC voted Goal of the Month by United Fans.
1 goal per 50 minutes on the pitch so far. Pretty decent return then
Get In RvP!
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Sep/robin-van-persie-wins-manchester-united-goal-of-the-month-competition-august-2012.aspx
Proverb. Cheers mate.
Continuing Off topic:
9/11/01 Attack on NYC, some sobering numbers:
Number of dead total 2,819
Of these:
Number of firefighters and paramedics killed: 343
Number of NYPD officers: 23
Number of Port Authority police officers: 37
Number of families who got no remains: 1,717
Estimated units of blood donated to the New York Blood Center: 36,000
Total units of donated blood actually used: 258
Number of nations whose citizens were killed in attacks: 115
http://nymag.com/news/articles/wtc/1year/numbers.htm
Terrible day september 11th. In my mind will be the most catastophic day in my living memory. Barely a year and a half after everyone was believing we were entering a millemia of world peace and going in th eright direction for world peace and the abolition of poverty we suffered this blow. Not only was it the death toll that FletchTHEMAN put up for us, nor the loss of two buildings. But it started the deep seated resenment for a religion that has filled a generation of people but more alarmingly the children who witnessed 9/11 are seriously damaged goods. Only 15 years ago I would never have dreamed that my kid (who is 5 now but will no doubt be apart of the horrible future) could grow up with his peers continually trying to out do each other in completely disgusting tasteless filth. On line kids try and out do each other by posting gore, beheadings, sexual depravity, racist rhetoric of a level that even my Roy Chubby Brown or Bernard Manning humour finds a bit much at times.
Those that died are dead, those that got left behind heal with support, those that go to war suffer undeniable anguish and those left behind years of worry. But all of them have support groups. My heart goes out to the half to a whole billion youngsters out there that werent directly effected but had their entire belief systems, innocence and moral fiber totally shattered. These kids have had to suffer and even though they have had a chance to talk in class, by no means have they been able to vent their anger (for fear of being called racist) or to really show their feelings (for fear of being seen a wooly woofter).
We now face years of some really unpleasant acts and attrocities
Back onto football.
Has Rafa Benitez got no pride. Is he really seriously troubled by the fact Liverpool never asked him to come back and manage them. Does he rate his achievements that highly? I congratulate LiverpoolFC for having finally the sense to get rid of that millstone, that type of attitude could never be a recipe for success. dear o dear!
@ESPNFC BREAKING: UEFA is withholding prize money to 23 clubs as part of an investigation into FFP breaches.
Seems a very odd time to be announcing sanctions. What prize money would not have been paid?
@Fletch
As soon as a team competes in a European competition they get prize money for where they finish. Shitloads for winning the CL. Probably about a fiver for finishing bottom of your group in the Europa League. But looking at some of the teams on the list, it is hard to imagine that they’re missing out on a great deal of money.
This is bad news by the way. Increases likelihood that Athletico will sell Falcao. Do NOT want to see him in a blue shirt, be it royal blue or sky blue.
FletchTHEMAN
Got a link to that?
The prize money consists of winner, finalists and so on plus teams get money for points gained in the group part of th ecompetition. Plenty of money changing hands. Nothing to fear from our end but Id be surprised if City got a penny.
I actually thought this was going to be kicking in next year, shows how much I know.
Btw. Is anyone out there doing the RoM fantasy league. Sod all chatter going on there and last year was a pitiful experience. I do wish StR would team up or run one himself as they are really half cocked jobs. Its not impossible to get a good league going. I do the Toronto Maple Leafs fantasy hockey and am a regular and have some good friends over there due to a very successful game experience. Shame the biggest sporting franchise in the world have so very few that really give a fuck. What will we do when all the prawns have been fished from our seas.
Robbie Brady has been chosen to start tonight for the Rep. of Ireland v Oman. This lad is coming on in leaps and bounds and can play on the right or left, fast and creative going forward. Very exciting times for him and he looks like a very realistic prospect for the first team.
Jonny Evans set to infuriate Sir Alex Ferguson with Northern Ireland appearance http://t.co/1evIQZRC
Jeet.
Are you about? Some time ago you gave the easy way to increase the type size on the page,can you repeat it for me please I have managed somehow to revert to tiny letters again.and can’t remember your tip.
If Roo was so down with Ronaldo’s attitude about the incident then why did he release a press statement that said he was disappointed with ‘the reaction of some of the portuguese players’? There was no need for him to say that, but he made a point of saying it. And now he’s saying he never minded. Does this mean other people write his press statements for him, and he lets them, even if they say things he doesn’t believe? That would be both good and bad, no? ‘No’ he never wanted to leave United, but ‘Yes’ you can’t believe a word he says!
Manchester United midfielder Shinji Kagawa will miss Japan’s World Cup qualifier against Iraq on Tuesday after withdrawing from the squad because of back pain.
The 23-year-old felt discomfort in his lower back during training on the eve of the match at Saitama, north of Tokyo, and failed to fully recover in time, the Japan Football Association said.
The extent of his injury was not immediately clear. United have a Premiership clash at home against Wigan Athletic on Saturday and a Champions League opener against Turkey’s Galatasaray at Old Trafford next week.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hollywood/news-interviews/Miley-Cyrus-allegedly-involved-in-nightclub-brawl/articleshow/16349873.cms
Here’s the link which will lead you to the site that wrote the news of kagawa being sidelined due to injury for japan.
Hopefully he recovers before the wigan game
http://m.timesofindia.com/sports/football/top-stories/Back-pain-forces-Shinji-Kagawa-out-of-Japan-qualifier/articleshow/16351194.cms
Sorry for the wrong link there
R.I.P to all those who lost their lives on September 11,2001. VIctims of something they had NO interest in. Rest in peace.
Goat.., great post re 9:11 tragedy.., not a great fan of Americans in general but by all that is holy that was some barbaric act
RIP to all those who died, I was in lanzeroti when it happened, watched the whole thing unfold, I even had an argument with a few PPL in the bar, when I predicted those buildings will collapse. Still to this day. the US had no spine by not rebuilding those iconic buildings, and the NYC skyline is still not the same without those buildings
Proverb- re the dialogue you posted ( if one can call it that ) . It’s a good example that, while we may all be fans, some have only that in common with the majority.
I hope Miley Cyrus is ok
@Goat 10:07
There will NEVER be a millennium of peace as long as people are still here.
How can you have peace against people who routinely shoot their kids, knowing western nations will provide medical care for them, as an excuse to accompany them to get onto and reconnoiter a base or installation for follow on mortar or rocket attacks ?