Vincent Kompany was rightly sent off for a two footed challenge on Nani at the weekend in a game that saw Manchester City knocked out of the FA Cup.
Nani got out of the way of the challenge, saving himself from getting hurt, and Wayne Rooney complained to referee Chris Foy.
After the game, Roberto Mancini claimed that the challenge was “300%” not a red card and accused Rooney of influencing the ref. It was interesting that he chose to criticise, given just days before he motioned to the referee that he should send off Martin Skrtel in City’s game against Liverpool.
“Rooney told him his decision,” he said. “We will do an appeal and I am sure that we will win.”
It appears as though it is not just referees who Rooney can tell what to do, but the FA as well, seeing as though they have today rejected City’s appeal against the red card. It’s a strange one. With so much influence at the FA, you would think Rooney would have done something about that ridiculous ban he received for swearing last season, which saw him miss out on the FA Cup semi-final defeat against City.
Maybe the FA just know the rules of the game: A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force against an opponent when challenging for the ball. Any player who lunges at an opponent when challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
The laws of the game support Rooney’s outrage at the challenge, just as the meetings the players have with referees ahead of each season do too.
“I clearly pointed out, and a few other players did as well, that it was a two-footed tackle,” Rooney said. “It was down to the ref to send him off. As professional footballers, when you leave the ground and go in two-footed we’ve now been told by the referees it’s a red card. Refs come and see us before the season starts. I felt Kompany had done that.”
Sir Alex Ferguson spoke in defence of Rooney, insisting the player had done no wrong.
“I have no concerns about the behaviour in that respect because to my mind it was a reckless challenge and Nani is a very lucky boy because he didn’t get a bad injury,” he said. “I have no complaints about Wayne, I don’t think it was unacceptable what he did. I think it was a natural reaction to a bad challenge from an opponent.”
A reaction more interesting than Rooney’s was Kompany’s, who didn’t question the decision at all. All players who get sent off for nothing ten minutes in to their derby, defending the only trophy their club has won in 35 years, walk off the field without even the slightest of complaint to the referee, don’t they?
As this is his second red card of the season, City’s captain will be missing for four games.
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Anyone else feel that the luck is starting to turn for us!
Kind of off topic but here’s a link from my local paper about Scholes, brilliant!
http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/8/news-headlines/65336/star-scholes-in-cameo-chaddy-vets-role
What’s the world coming to when you can’t get away with diving in two footed, with your studs up?
lol, fk city
To think that Wayen Rooney has any influence at the FA is the biggest mis conception in the history of football.
Banned for swearing, banned for 3 games after a pre season friendly red card etc etc etc etc
is this true?! ravel morrison spotted in a city shirt. WTF
http://www.manchestercity.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=19993&posts=15
@epiphany01
Fuck that. Why would you believe anything you read on a City blog. Pile o’ shite.
For once the FA’s over zealous protection of referees works in our favour. That just made me 300% happier than I was this morning.
well i first caught wind of it via his twitter and then went to google around for pictures that’s all. ppl are asking abt it on the reds forum too.
like they say, no smoke without flames. this kid’s got too much negative media around him. jus sign the fucking contract
Frivolous appeal, no?
epiphany01 – one guy said on twitter that he’s seen morrison play in a 6-side game with a citeh shirt on. Why not take any picture of him in that shirt?
As talented as Morrison is, the lad is very ungrateful to the club for what it has done to protect him from every controversy that he has been a part of. If he feels he has made it then he can move on. SAF has seen so many youngsters that he knows when is the right time to start bedding them in. The same goes with Pogba too. Getting sick and tired of all this non sense. There are other kids waiting in the reserves who might not be as talented as these 2 but are more than willing to play for UTD.
Ha haa, I’m liking this.
Gonna have to stop playing like Vinny Jones now and getting away with it aren’t we Mr Kompany?
Are some cracks appearing in this suit of armour City have bought?
It will be interesting to see how tight City’s defense is now that they are without Kompany and Kolo Toure. But the player they are going to miss the most is Yaya Toure.
the thing is..Mancini trusted his chiek to write a big cheque to the FA members
had he known his master forgot about it the appeal would be droped before the pen even touched the paper. LOL
because of morrison’s attitude I think it’ll be a case of he’ll make it under fergie at united or will never be heard of again.
I can’t stand it when footballers hold out for that extra bit just to massage their ego. I’m sure the offers put in front of morrison and pogba are more than enough for them to be content with for the moment.
If they are as good as they think they are surely they must realise that the big money contract is only a few years down the line?
Anyone here remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmTyPd5oqqg
Suddenly this sort of tackle is ok I’m guessing
Justice has been done……..
Whe. Does the cunt Terry get banned for at least 8 games a la Saurez?????
Cedars, you coming to the UK? I’ll happily shout you to a beer if you’re in London
Rooney for Captain then, such an influential player. And the FA love him so
@Costas. So what have you heard of Vasilis Torosidis? Olympiakos RB. There are a couple of rummors that he is very versatile and available at a decent price.
I had a good and hearty laugh, Scott the Red. Brilliant, thanks!
ps For those newer to English than I am; lol str ta
We might be in for Ba in the summer according to his agent. http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/279610/20120110/exclusive-manchester-united-interest-demba-ba-confirmed.htm
Vasilis Torosidis? Is it contagious?
Don’t want to know in how many players over the world we show “interest”.
Says absolutely nothing.
smartalex – can’t see that one coming. As SAF said why go after 2nd-rated players?
Awwwwww. Super Mario has no real friends in England.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/01/10/2840017/mario-balotelli-i-have-no-real-friends-in-england-would-only
Quick Cedars, give him your number!
But if Berba leaves in the summer and we bring in Ba for 7-10m that would be a hell of a strikeforce. Just don’t know how that guy reacts to sitting on the bench cause Rooney/Welbeck clearly clicking.
Re: Morrison. Some think he is just a huge practical joker. Takes the piss all the time. I think we need to keep off the lads back and let the club handle it if needs be. Especially in areas like this where it is only rummour or innuendo. Imagine dealing with a lad like this, huge tallent but needs to be a lad. GeorgieBest would have gone completely insane in todays climate. Just sayin. Let the lad have a bit of fun.
Did anyone see the photos of Becks “wiping his face with a city shirt”? Ya, there wasn’t anything in that either.
My mates predictable response to our argument from the last thread:
Think you’ll find that Richards had his arm by his side, rather than raised like Jones – hence the difference.
Not buying that “anything else is just a bonus other than getting through to the next round”. Obviously the tangible benefit is having your name in the hat for the fourth round. Had Utd lost, the questions surrounding 3 defeats in a row, out of the cup to noisy neighbours would have built pressure on the players, and they would be aware of this before the game. Likewise, City knew that had we of knocked Utd out, the talk would have been about giving us the upper hand and this in turn would give the players an air of confidence. As you say, a loss would not inflict a shattering blow, but a hammering would certainly up the pressure.
Putting it in another context, why was City’s loss against Sunderland so bad ? It wasn’t the loss of 3 points from the actual game, although that could prove costly at the end of the season. It was the manner of the defeat after dominating the game to lose with the last kick, and the opportunity to put pressure on Utd by opening up a gap. Psychologically this would have made the defeat against Blackburn earlier worse than it was, but instead was a let off, and despite being 3 points closer to Spuds, the game at the top hadn’t changed. Maybe i’m wrong, and United players are airheads who believe the cliché and take each game as it comes on face value !!!
As for Rooney, remarkable that you can climb in to my brain and ascertain with certainty that i said Rooney got him sent off. I did not deny that it was Foy and not Rooney who sent him off. I require no special skills or need watch the match again to recognise who the ref was and who brandished the red card. What i did say, was that it appeared to me that Foy wasn’t even going to blow for a free kick, let alone give a straight red until he was heckled.
Now i’m not a lip reader nor would i wish to get inside that vacuous skull of Rooney’s to establish exactly what he was speaking to about, but i doubt it was
“fancy going on the rob and doing a bit of granny sh#@ging after the game, la” or “Kompany isn’t that type of player, and won the ball fairly so should be given a yellow like lamps, la”. Instead it was to try to influence the refs decision making process, which in some way he was successful in doing. I’m guessing good pro or cretin will depend on whether it was for or against Utd ???
Anyway, the appeal has as expected been rejected, so we move on, and take each game as it comes without him.
Any suggested response boys??
zelh – I agree. Anyway, the way it seems to work at United, is if you see him coming, he isn’t.
Left-field purchases or young stars-in-the-making, but only from Clubs and agents that act professionally and don’t do their trading in the press.
What about Young you might say? Well, he’s left-field, or right, or in the middle. Two footed players are gold!
@Fletch
I’d definitely concur with the latter. That 5-6 million would be a decent price. It’s hard to tell. Talent-wise, he and Ninis are Greece’s 2 best players. He’s 26-27 and plays as a right back (and need be a left back) that likes to make forward runs. But can he cut it at United level? I am not really sure. I wouldn’t read too much into the rumor to be honest.
Costas, Cheers mate. Just heard it the rumor a couple times and thought I would ask what your thoughts were.
City have spent 35 years looking for positives while losing, it’s not surprising that the fans want to see it as a victory. Successive throw-ins awarded to City were like hens-teeth for years. To their thinking, to actually score against United while a man down is such an incredible event, it is the biggest positive they’ve been able to take from a loss in decades!
M19ke
Tell him that if you had time you’d rather read War and Peace than his emails. Its more educational, contains less fiction and its not boring.
That city’s ‘positive’ still remains a derby loss at home has escaped their reality.
They might wake up, but it will be too late.
The watershed that bitter blue refers to, is a tsunami headed his way.
Should have had a game extra on the ban for making a frivolous appeal.
Clearly a two footed challenge, clearly a red card…clearly no sensible avenue for appealing.
Still, well done FA for once for not backing down.
Mikekelly.. I wouldn’t bother replying to him mate. From his reply, you can make out that the guy has made up his mind and will not change no matter how much you try to reason with him. He says that Foy would not have even blown his whistle, let alone issue a red card had Rooney not made a huge fuss about the tackle. This line of reasoning is absolutely silly. Does he think that City players would have kept quiet had Rooney or any other Utd player made such a tackle? If he says yes then he is deluded like the rest of his bunch.
Dismissal upheld for “serious foul play”. I rest my smug case. Any thing else would of seen a return of the Gerrard “death lunge” in the game.
Regarding pogba & Morrison. I think united have an option of an extra 12 months on his contract. He himself has come out and said he wants to become a “great” for us. Both just haggling over new contracts with greedy agents & this will be forgotten about once they probably sign new ones.
MikeKelly, Rooney has confirmed that he did raise 2 fingers and tell the ref that Kompany had gone in 2 footed. I think that is fair. No one from United flopped around and the ref wasn’t swarmed. Think our lads behaved in a level headed way and got a correct call.
As I said yesterday, Chris Foy deserves some credit for keeping this game in control. Our 1-6 loss to city was, in my view, very much down to City using very hard tackles early to knock Nani out of the game. Most refs seem way to lenient in the first 15 minutes and is believe City are one of several teams (Bolton in particular) that take advantage. City can have no complaint. This was a 2 footed tackle that was surely to aggressive not be intimidate.
Everyone needs to read the rule to see he had to go:
Posted earlier,
[These are the laws set down by Fifa. "Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play........ The safety element of the player has become paramount, and that has been a deliberate policy led by the PFA.]
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/safety-first-why-foy-was-within-rights-to-show-red-6287485.html
It is completely irrelevant to have Dinasours in the press box saying “that wouldn’t have been a card in my day”. In your day, finess players would have never develop. Tackles like that are why Cleverley is out for half the year. Tackles are a part of football. But Refs are right to hold players to account and Chris Foy didn’t get it wrong.
It is abundantly clear that City could NOT have won the game. They settled for a ‘moral’ victory, and did not attack enough. Had they tried a bit harder, they might have scored 7, who knows? But they didn’t. They showed their immaturity by believing that they would be seen as ‘moral’ victors, win or lose. They didn’t have the drive needed to score more.
United would have gone hell-for-leather, fearless and determined. We would have come back and WON, not got half way back and felt satisfied. Even if we conceded more, and lost, the pain is gone by the next game, because we are serial winners.
It’s goodnight Mancini, sleep tight; for you have packing to do in the morning.
For some reason the champions of justice down at klanfield are nearly as upset about this as they are about other laws being applied that actually involve their club…..
http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/01/proof-that-man-utd-thug-wayne-rooney.html#dsq-form-area-407098103
This just sums up the competition you’re dealing with mate, its actually called “raising club spirit” in some quarters – just like Suarez t-shirts and so forth. Makes me grateful I support United, not that our Club is angelic but you don’t find us stooped in shit with these lot.
Cheers for the support of your replies fella’s. This fucker always try’s to get one over on me as he’s sat at a desk with stats and websites at the ready. Don’t know what he means that Jones’ arm was raised?? He was on his bleeding hands and knees??!
Eric the king.. Wish I hadn’t opened your link mate. The last thing I wanted to read was that shite.
MikeKelly.. City fans have acquired the art of whining and wimping from their manager. I would never argue with a rival fan unless he had some kind of common sense which this city fan so obviously lacks.
M19ke
Jones’s hand was on the floor, it came up off his foot and hit it. Tell the boring bastard to become an MP they like to twist and bend the truth.
ex BBC
Fifa is concerned for the lives of players approached by match-fixers, warning that they could pay the “ultimate price”. Football’s world governing body claims governments should be wary of the presence of criminal organisations in fixing and the “staggering” sums of money involved. Chris Eaton, head of security at Fifa, said: “We are very concerned about the safety of players [and] officials. There is anecdotal evidence that some players have been killed.”
I can’t help but wonder on the recent tragedies connected to football in England, and Europe.
Gary Speed, that linesman that suicided in the change room, other sad stories that seem unconnected, but fit the organised crime betting syndicate methods.
I will put it to bed. Eric the king….. That is ridiculous. Why would someone be so inclined to go to such lengths to prove a point in a game his team wasn’t competing. Fucking dipper fuck witts!!
@Saad… Im a red with all my heart but Balotelli is fucking great, I don’t think he’s the best of footballers but what a fucking character he’s not of this world haha. In other news did anyone see Guardiola tearing up when Fergie got his award last night I loved it. Might be a pope dream and it could go tits up if he did but i’d gladly take it at old trafford to succeed Fergie seems like such a brilliant guy and well look at Barcealona couldn’t begrudge him if he came and tried do it to us in my view he’s the only coach who’ll try and perhaps succeed in keeping Fergies philosophy alive. UNITED UNITED UNITED UNITED. LONG LIVE SIR ALEX
Does anyone have a pic of Jones ‘raising’ his arm in the box or Richards keeping his arm by his side against Arsenal??
@smartalex: yo dude, me thinks Meg Ryan brought @Cedars back in. I thot i saw that lebanese kebab somewhere!
Now for @MG: Hello Mrs.G, CAN MG come to play? We will have him home for dinner,promise,cross my heart and hope to die! pLeaasse?
Mikekelly12- Poke him in the eye.,
Dave Malaysia – He ran through the forum, chasing Samantha Mumba, with Meg Ryan hot on his heels! He was shouting ‘United! United!’
I think he wants a Club sandwich.
I would like to see Kuzs released this month, restart his career elsewhere.
He has serve us as best as he can, for that I am grateful.
Need to let him restart his career elsewhere now,be fair.
If Gibson is not first team material then let him go now,this month. No shortage of takers.
Like the deals for Pogba and Morrision completed soon.
Like to see Chica ,have some better run of luck in his 2nd year with us in terms of health and get back to his best.
Like to see Rooney carry that fire onwards in every game now.
Love to see us turn the corner now in terms of health,get eveyone back to full fitness. Good rest periods now between games before it gets hectic again.
Like to see a brilliant signing this month,new signing.
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@smartalex: waiit a blinking minute! he is cheating on meg with mumba? damm that bastard,hope they like mayo on thier sandwich.
Jones’s “handball” clearly hit his leg first then hit his already outstretched arm making it ball to hand/undeliberate. Nothing more to see here let’s move on.
Dimitar Berbatov’s goalscoring return to action in December has earned him United’s Player of the Month award.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jan/video-dimitar-berbatov-player-of-the-month.aspx
Well done Dimitar Berbatov! We want to see more of you, and feel your frustration.
Thank you for holding your head high and being all you are for the team.
Collyhurst red- you a fellow Oldham boy
Dave Malaysia – CedarsDouble does nothing by halves. He shares his load.
epiphany01- It wasn’t a city shirt, he was using a city towel to dry his feet and backsideon post shower.
ex Manutd .com
‘Berbatov averaged a goal every half an hour (32 minutes to be precise) during the festive month after firing in six of the Reds’ tally of 20. His hat-trick haul against Wigan Athletic on Boxing Day and brace in the New Year’s Eve defeat to Blackburn followed his 50th strike for the club, a cheeky backheel in the 5-0 win at Fulham.’
@smartalex: Dont think Cedars wud like us talking of him like that.
Where is @MG? Mrs.G is sure a hard person,not letting her man come out to play.
I can photoshop anyones face on a fan wearing Shitty shirt and make it look perfectly real. I just put Hitler in a Scouse shirt and it amazingly looked like Saurez.
@James21: Try that at the Bolton game.
U cud try Cedars face or MG face these words”Mrs G can MG come out to play’
haha.
James21: Or u cud make and sell 6 thousand suarez t-shirts for that FA game.
Dave Malaysia – CedarsDevil’s exploits are legendary, we are handing down the stories told by our ancestors, of a Red from a land protected by Cedars.
BREAKING NEWS: It is revealed that wayne rooney made a call to David Bernstein threatening him to uphold the red card. Mancini comes out with a statement 2 hours later declaring the decision a Kompany “witch hunt” and branding wayne rooney a liar. There will be a T- shirt campaign held for Kompany at the beginning of their carling cup semifinal against Liverpool first leg to show their support for their local hero.
danger is measured by risk, not outcome!
Therefore, if you are committing to a challenge with both feet of your ground, you are not in control of your body weight. If you are not in control of your body weight you are a danger to your opponent.
i’m surprised he didn’t get an extra game for a frivolous appeal!
Anyone wanna tear their hair out at stupidity of people in the media, listen to Alan Green on 606 from sunday evening. True meaning of an imbecile
Mikekelly & utd4life…
If you think that’s bad you should see the shit they were putting up about evra the other day.
Some knob who plausible for Uruguay was gobbing off saying how evra was gonna get it in a friendly with France n they were coming out with the break his legs shit etc….
Unfortunately I find these stories on a site called newsnow in the utd section & always get intrigued by the saucy headlines.
For some reason though they get all upset & go into denials when you point out a few home truths to em. And to think its city who officially get classed as liars.
Does an unsuccessful appeal not add one more game to the 4?
Scott is twittering that we will be granted 6,000 tickets for FA Cup 4th round at Anfield!
Outstanding if true. Think this would be our full allocation and much better than we got last trip up.
Comeon U Reds!
Well in spite of the appeal being denied, in their mind Kompany can still play during their next four games. and really this just confirms the FA bias against City.
I am 300% sure that WoMancini and City are in for even more rough patches as the fixture list winds back up. This is crunch time and this City squad has not weathered a close title race since…..EVER.
With Scholesy back in the dressing room , he and Giggs be a steadying influence.
Had the FA not gone out of their way to ensure Rooney’s absence in the Cup clash last year City would NOT have been have able to win that game. They know it . We know it.
@Fletch. You are absolutely correct about teams being very physical with us early and often to take our players out of matches. Newcastle was another example. Every time I see Kevin Davies , I want to kick his face in. Maybe his wife can defend him on twitter and tell me “he didn’t mean it”.
check out this video;
Nani and Young doing flashy skills and kick ups in a joga bonito face off and Sir Alex boots the ball away from them….hilarious
Must Watch !
http://up.liga.ir/images/6m7ux4qi4c6tyn7dvp1x.swf
@Fletch re the Demba Ba link to us. It is in EVERY agent’s and player’s interest to be link to
ManUtd. It can serve to drive up the asking price and cause genuinely interested teams to hasten their negotiations. Standard operating procedures there to link a player with a very big club.
Justice of the highest order, fuck off you bitter cunts.
Mes
Hi pal, if I do make the trip I will spend a couple of days in London for sure, would be great to meet up.
Mike
Already gave you my advice re the bitter on the Cantona thread.
Fletch
Think the allocation not officially been announced. Their council has said we can have full allocation as didn’t block aisle as last game & reduction taken away. However, I’d b amazed if they really did give us 6k
@red nation – that link ain’t working for me pal – some bandwidth exceeded apparently!
on the kompany appeal rejection – wonder why he didn’t qualify for frivolous appeal! too bad, two of his games are wasted in carling cup… oh well!
Can anyone explain why they are referring to us as ‘rags’ on that Citeh forum? Is there any story to back this up, or is it just some term the bitters came up with to try and put us down? I noticed they also started to call Old Trafford ‘the swamp’ after we labelled their council house, Wastelands. Pathetic. FOREVER IN OUR SHADOW
The decision made by the ref was 100% correct with no help from any players including Rooney. You have to praise Nani coz he jumped out of the way and made no complaints or got involved. If Nani stud his ground it could have been a career ending tackle for him. Full credit to the ref for spotting it and dealing with it that way he did. Kompany might think twice in the future when he tackles players. City fans and all anti-scum are looking for someone to blame and Rooney is the escape goat for them. It really pisses me off that United got no credit for there victory over city. Remember City have been unbeaten all season at wastelands and that first half performance was awesome by United. The second wasn’t the greatest but at the end of the day it was a vicory and we can put the past results behind us now and knuckle down with the premiership.
United have had 48 injuries up the half-way point of the PL season, including several lengthy injuries for key players and a couple that have been season-ending. Shitty had 15, all relatively minor. By all accounts, United’s owners are prepared to give SAF money in this transfer window, but SAF says he won’t spend it. In contrast, The Scarf has immediately (and publicly) called for his bosses to release yet more funds for him to spend. SAF says transfer purchases are a long-term solution, but injuries are always short-term, and that gives you a problem when people come back from injury. Mancini doesn’t give a fuck about that. SAF says January purchases rarely help anywayn because they take too long to bed in. Mancini doesn’t give a hoot about that. And SAF says the players he wants aren’t available at this time anyway. He refuses to compromise his principles, and this club’s standards, by splashing money on players who aren’t up to those standards, won’t be much help, and will soon become redundant when our injured players return. Mancini doesn’t give a hoot about that either.
Enough said, really.
Phil Jones’
Hi mate
They call us Rags because when Old Trafford was bombed during WW2 it destroyed everything. We played our games at Maine Rd and they supplied us with their 3rd kit that was Red and Black.
The saying is ‘They’re only fit to wear our Rags’
I’ve never seen any story confirming this so weather true or not I’m not sure. Its become more widely used over the past four seasons and alot of Shitty fans won’t tell you this info. A mate of mine told me and said its quite an old name for us, probably going back to the 70s.
Phil Jones’
Old Trafford was built on marshland. The swamp comes from that.
If you want to know. Wastelands is exactly what it was until it was developed, full of old derelict factories and buildings. Its a proper council job as well.
Thanks for the info James21
So Rooney is actually Swamp Thing and not Shrek? Fine with me really…
MikeKelly
Just tell your mate to look at the replay of incident again and imagine what would have happened if Nani put his foot down in front of the ball instead of jumping out of the way.
May be someone should ask mankini to reproduce that in training, and see if his player does not get out of the way whether he would still be standing on the pitch… definite red card and no way the ref was influenced whatsoever