After reading the written reasons behind the decision to charge and ban Luis Suarez, you would think even Liverpool fans would be forced to ditch their usual “victim” stance and admit their player had done wrong. Not just their player though, but their club, for releasing that shameful statement and then organising for their players to parade around in t-shirts supporting a man who had just been found guilty of racial abusing someone.
Apparently, I was being too kind to our friends from Pity City, with Anfield season ticket holding journalist Ben Thornley writing an embarrassing defence of Suarez in The Daily Post.
“If you have neither the time nor inclination to read the Football Association’s hefty report on their investigation into the Luis Suarez/ Patrice Evra racism row, let me save you the trouble. After two months and 115-pages, the entire case came down to one man’s word against another’s.”
The commission claim quite the opposite of this, as supported by Luis Suarez’s chosen representative, Peter McCormick OBE.
“215. It was accepted by both Mr Greaney and Mr McCormick in closing submissions that this is not simply a case of one person’s word against another.”
It’s interesting that a journalist can suggest they are saving you time by summarising the report for you, only to write the complete opposite of what was contained inside the report. The man who was paid to defend Suarez in this case agreed it wasn’t one person’s word against the other, yet this journo seems to think he knows better. Odd.
“Language experts brought in by the FA concluded that what Suarez admits to having said – “what, negro?” – wouldn’t be considered offensive in his native Uruguay, but what Evra says he hurled at him would be.”
Again, this is not true. This is what the language experts actually said:
“170. The word “negro” can have pejorative connotations, as it may be associated with low class status, ugliness, vulgar behaviour, noisiness, violence, dishonesty, sexual promiscuity etc. 171. The word can be employed with the intent to offend and to offend in racial terms. 172. The word “negro” is by no means, however, always used offensively. The term can also be used as a friendly form of address to someone. 175. In all cases, however, when the word is used in this way [without offence] it implies a sense of rapport or the attempt to create such rapport; naturally, if the term were used with a sneer, then it might carry some of the negative connotations referred to above. 200. There are some black people in Uruguay and other areas of Latin America who object to the use of the word “negro” as a term of address, as they say it highlights skin colour when this should be irrelevant. This is the use of the word “negro” (ie as a term of address) which Suarez contended before us is acceptable, yet his view appears to be contentious with some in Uruguay and Latin America.”
The language experts explicitly stated that the use of the word “negro” was only inoffensive in Uruguay if used in a “conciliatory” way. Conciliatory? To end a disagreement or someone’s anger by acting in a friendly way. Is that what Suarez was doing? He pinched Evra and initially claimed this was to defuse the situation too but when he was cross-examined he admitted this was a lie.
Anyone who has seen the video footage can see there was no part of Suarez that was trying to behave in a conciliatory way. He was trying to wind Evra up and he was succeeding. So why on earth would anyone believe that Suarez, contradicting all his other behaviour and actions, was using the word “negro” in a friendly and endearing way?
“They decided Evra was the more credible witness, chiefly because his version of events tallied closer to the television footage of the incident than Suarez’s.”
Again, another incorrect claim from the journalist who is supposed to be summarising the report. Evra was a more credible witness chiefly because his testimony was never contradicted. Wherever possible, his version of events of what happened tallied with what the referee said, what Giggs, Valencina, Chicharito and Nani said too.
In contrast, Suarez’s testimony was contradicted by Kenny Dalglish, Damien Comolli and Dirk Kuyt. Suarez told Comolli his version of events in Spanish and Kuyt in Dutch. Dalglish, Comolli and Kuyt reported exactly the same comments, that Suarez had told them he said to Evra “because you are black”. When Suarez was interviewed, he claimed he said “why, black?”. Suarez’s defence suggested that both Comolli and Kuyt misunderstood what Suarez had said, despite him speaking in different languages to both of them, and them both misunderstanding him and coming out with identical statements to each other. Even this Liverpool fan’s website can see why the commission deemed Suarez an unreliable witness. It’s not difficult.
So yes, the video footage did help the commission decide that Evra was a more credible witness, but what their decision hinged on was the fact that Evra’s testimony was supported by everyone questioned, whilst Suarez’s was contradicted by everyone questioned.
“Essentially the Liverpool striker has been convicted on the hunch of three men.”
Again, a statement that would suggest this journalist hasn’t even bothered to read the report. Did Suarez used insulting words towards Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3? Were the insulting words used by Suarez include a reference to Evra’s colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2)? Yes. Suarez admitted he called Evra “negro”. Even if you completely dismiss all of Evra’s testimony, it’s irrelevant that Suarez calls black people in Uruguay “negro”. It’s irrelevant whether he thinks people will believe he was trying to make friends with Evra by calling him “negro”, after kicking him in the knee, pinching him and hitting him around the back of the head, all the midst of a game between the two most hated rivals in the country. The word “negro” in England is an insulting word which refers to skin colour and Suarez admitted that he used it. There is no defence.
With Kenny Dalglish as the example to follow, it’s not hard to see why Liverpool fans are still keen to paint Suarez and their club as the victims in all this. However, the sooner people become more bothered about trying to stop racism than they are defending their own players, regardless of what they’d said or done, the better.
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Worth reading: The FA and Luis Suarez – Reasons of the Regulatory Commission
Dalglish needs a few home truths… not more flattery
“Dalglish plumbed the deepest depths when he tweeted: ‘Let’s not let him walk alone.’ It was a cheap and demeaning attempt to evoke the tradition of a great football club in the service of one who had been found guilty by the FA of a serious offence.”
Suarez row has made clear to all where line of decency is drawn
“It can only be hoped that Liverpool Football Club and their iconic manager have the wit to stop embarrassing themselves.”
Man Utd News 24/7
This journo, epitomises liverpool FC, hiding the truth and coming out with fabricated comments! He asks people not to bother reading the report because that will allow them to discover the truth and not what he wants the truth to be!!
Paul Parker
A couple of quality posts there pal, I’m in full agreement. We had plenty of scousers on here after the ban was announced. We had an official bullshit statement which further dragged our players name through the mud, while they sat behind the “we’ll wait for the reasons for the ban to be published” excuse for not condemning their idol!! Now I don’t know if they’re having trouble with the big words in the report, but if they were so steadfastly behind Suarez, and those t-shirts suggest they were, then it shouldnt take them too long to find the section which supports their verment argument for Suarez’ innocence and Evra’s guilt!! Their delay could be down to the fact that the section they hoped would show the world that Suarez is innocent and Evra is a villain further depicts Liverpool as a lying, despicable excuse of a club as both Dirk Kuyt, comoli and Dalglish changed their stories due to “misunderstandings”. So come on Liverpool, what you waiting for? Bring it on you cunts!
Liverpool fans and LFC will always blame everyone else. They’ll probably say it was the Police and Chelsea fans who told Saurez to say it.
The usual scouse responces on here have been Nil but like I said on the last thread ,I wait..
In fact it is only one person’s word against another. As NO ONE ELSE HEARD A SINGLE WORD OF THERE conversation.
regardless of the point 215.
“215. It was accepted by both Mr Greaney and Mr McCormick in closing submissions that this is not simply a case of one person’s word against another.”
This is widely regarded as a huge pr disaster for Lfc. I believe that the scousers inital responce was defamatory towards evra, wrongly stating him as playing the racism card in the past. I’d love it it he went for a retraction.
I can’t believe that twat can say it boils down to one word against another?! 115 pages you cunt, which clearly states and is agreed that this is NOT the case!!
Happy New ear Kenny Dalglish, then you might have a better chance in future of hearing what’s actually being said by your players. That might help you avoid embarrasing yourself and your great club in defending the indefensible in future when one of your players clearly racially abuses an opponent, as Luis Suarez did to Patrice Evra, something you have denied for over two and a half months, against all the evidence, as we can now see set out in black and white in the FA report.
As for this wretched Scouse ‘journalist’ – you have to stretch the term a bit in his case – Ben Thornley (surely no relation of the promising youngster at United in the early 1990s whose career was wrecked by injury) Scott has done a brilliant forensic job on him, exposing him as a delusional prat who is so desperate to defend Liverpool and all its works that he can’t even read a clearly-written report accurately.
Sir Giles
Happy new ear- absolutely epic!!
Personally I’m really disappointed by so much of what is coming out from LFC fans about this. Much as they are our fiercest rivals they are also one of our most worthy rivals, they are a self-made modern football club with history and culture of their own and let’s face it, compared to the likes of City and Chelsea who are nothing more than toys I find it refreshing to see a proper football club hanging in there near the top of the game.
But that said, the conduct of the club and the fans in recent weeks, wow. They just look like a bunch of small time clowns. I mean most of us defend our players when they do wrong. How many of us for instance condemned Keane as strongly as he should have been when he went in on Haaland that time (injury or not, the intent was bordering murderous). How many of us take pains to ignore the fact that Ryan Giggs, our sainted Giggsy himself, has cheated on his wife, or that Rooney cheated on his. And let’s face it, we all loved Ronaldo, but he’d sometimes cheat. And we know these guys aren’t perfect, and we make allowances for them.
But you don’t see the whole squad turned out in Rooney t-shirts when he was banned for swearing at the camera. There was never this sort of hatred and vitriol directed against the FA and the world in general when Ferdinand was banned for missing that drug test, or when Cantona was banned for being Ninja.
Sometimes you just have to admit an imperfection and walk away. People are saying Suarez’s reputation has been forever tarnished by this, that his name is now mud and that LFC and the fans are defending his name. NEWS FLASH! Everybody always thought the cheating, diving, cannibal fucktard was scum before this. He has no good name to defend. Given the chance most right thinking people would push the little rat bastard under a bus. That he might be a bit racist is really neither here nor there. He should serve his time and LFC should just eat it. There’s nothing magic about a football shirt, it doesn’t make the man who wears it a saint.
Put it this way, there’s a reason why he writes for The Daily Post and not for The Economist or National Geographic.
It’s like how some players spend their careers in the lower leagues and not in the top tiers.
It’s an aptitude problem.
He probably couldn’t understand half of that 115, and most likely didn’t, that’s why he arrived at those conclusions. Whether it’s just another blind Liverpool supporter, or an inept jounalist who can’t even fully understand a report written in his native language and yet wants to comment on a topic beyond his ability to do so, it just reflects badly on him.
Being a journalist, for the ABU FA to come to such a decision, should’ve been a cue to just shut up and write on other things, like stirring up transfer gossip in order to deflect.
The Republik of Mancunia: Shooting down straw men arguments day after day after day…
Are we really that suprised that a Liverpool supporting journo would write an article like this? Driving more traffic to the paper’s site for extra advertising cash? Joke of a club, joke of a city, joke supporters. Constantly playing the pity card over the past and painting them as the victims when in al actuallity, they are the culprits. I can’t understand why/how they can still claim innocence when Suarez has admitted to what he said, culture or not, he’s been in Europe long enough to know that it is not tolerated (apart from maybe Spain). He had even agreed that all of the statements were correct, despite being found to have lied. The way Liverpool have handled the whole situation is laughable as to be expected, and hopefully, although I doubt it, we will see an apology.On another point, fans are banned for life for racist abuse, so players should be as well.
Liverpool FC, supporting self pity and racism since 1892.
Well the same guy who played for man utd wrote this shit, Still bitter about the short career at utd maybe??
oops my bad not that guy,really sorry
My point, very irresponsible journalism!!!
Sad and deluded!! More damaging, however, is that this piece of shit journalism will only stoke greater animosity between the two clubs and two sets of fans, and set back attempts to kick racism our of the game.
Sir Giles
‘Happy New ear’ cedars will love that one.
This is becoming a joke, surely there’s other stuff going on in the world of football. Sick to death of hearing about Suarez mouthing off incident. No doubt media playing their part, all sanctimonious and shit. The stupid twat got his ban, stupid club should shut up too and let this blow over.
Poor lfc and Suarez, thay’re the real victims here.
Ban Evra, the police and cfc because it is all their fault! Es a facht!
I’m still waiting for an apology from Suarez to Evra and from Liverpool FC. Their statement was inaccurate and attacked the character of the victim in this whole sorry episode! The t-shirt incident showed a further lack of respect for Evra and what he’d experienced! I would also like to see Liverpool issue their own punishment on a player who has been proven to have made racial comments to a fellow pro! The fact that they are taking so long to respond suggests they are still looking at ways of wriggling out of this whole episode! When the charges were announced they responded within ours!!!
**hours** sorry!
M19ke
Don’t hold your breath mate. Evra should take LFC and Dogleash to court.
James
I know pal, but we live in hope! If he took them to court though the most they’d get is a fine!
I think come the time for our match against them there shall be abuse from the fans and I hope the culprits are brought to book. The club’s stand has told them it is ok.This is just lazy,couldnt he have let it slide.
Barton just got sent off,I had hoped Kiko would get a chance.
Bob Da Builder- Go on then i’ll bite.
If it was a case of one mans word against another, they would have asked Suarez what he said, asked Evra what Suarez said then made a judgement. They didn’t. Instead they conducted a thorough invesigation, during which they found Suarez to be unreliable as a witness due to the fact he lied. He admitted to both Comolli and Kuyt he had said ‘because he is black’, in both spanish and dutch. But then he claimed they’d both misheard him. In different languages.
Also, Suarez admitted using the term negro. He says this was in a friendly way. I’m sure anyone who saw the exchange knew it weren’t friendly, as confirmed by body language experts.
An unreliable -lying is what i’d call it- witness giving evidence, club officials who gave contradicting evidence, and an admission he’d used the term negro isn’t just one mans word against another now is it??
@MikeKelly12, Giles Oakley – top posts fellas, well said.
@ Scott The Red – Spot on pal, this really shouldn’t be over and done with just yet, not with a possible appeal on the cards and not before a change in stance from the disgraced LFC. Besides, its not like focusing on these issue on your blog will effect our preparation for Newcastle, will it? The players should all be up for these games anyway and if they aren’t they should be OUT on their ear. This is for the faithful to discuss, as the media’s casual treatment of the FA’s findings have been shocking. Imagine if Hernandez was found guilty of racially abusing Johnson??? It would be front fucking page on Christmas day. Absolutely spot on with your coverage of this Scott. My biggest issue is with all thosee cunts who came out early doors and printed that Evra should’ve stayed quiet. YOU FUCKING WHAT??? Ha! All those British, nationally published journalists who pushed that line should be held to account by the public, let alone these racist cunts still defending the indefensible AFTER the official ruling. Suarez has no defence, and if people really think you can assault somebody and then insult their racial background they should go out and try it. Good fucking luck.
I for one would like to hear what Ian Wright has to say now – After the 8 game ban he criticised the FA for not releasing the report at the same time, which is a fair point I guess, but that was a HUGE two page spread in the Sun and appeared to vindicate LFC. Well now that the full report is out what will the Sun’s resident black columnist have to say about the guilty player, his doting manager and their shameless Club now? The backlash against LFC has to start sooner or later as this silence is a fucking joke, so quite right Scott, keep your foot on their necks, fucking scummy bastards.
@ Viva MG – change the station regarding the trolls will ya? This is a new thread and STR clearly wants to focus on this and not some some irrelevant childish VIRTUAL issue that has no bearing on the price on milk in REALITY – knock it on the head son, its getting fucking boring. See previous thread for details.
Can we have at least one thread without hissy fits and non-football related arguments that nobody really cares about? Fucking hell….
I hope we sue them………some the scouser supporters I know are needed to be taught a lesson
The bloody assholes have come up with stupid jokes……………People like them are now gonna make life of Evra & others ( who face racism ) even more miserable
Imagine , even after Suarez’s punishment , with Liverpool’s behavior , will people report such abuses
SHame…………..the scousers have to be punished & relegated
aaargh!! Barton got a red card,now I’m pretty sure warnock will get all defensive and keep kiko on the bench!!
The scouse nation can’t take the truth. We all know that. They blame everyone else, always have, always will. It’s up to STR and the rest of us Reds to remind the rest of the country just exactly they have done. I imagine their reply will be a work of p.r genius, denying the facts and claiming others are to blame.
Let’s ensure they don’t get away with it.
Red til I die!!!
gaurav12931, yeah I was just thinking the same. What are the chances of Macheda coming on now? Probably very little, though I have no idea how Warnock thinks. Unless it’s a 1-for-1 replacement, Macheda for Taarabt.
Well, perhaps all they want is to have something to distract their supporters from their dismal campaign. Something to fill up their year end DVD, something to blame on for yet another season without even Europa.
Chelsea’s celebration is quite funny. Everyone going up to the bench and hugging. What a shit team. Comeonn Wolves
Strange goal celebration by chelsea…..it looked very odd and fake.
Giles Oakley
Well said! It is becoming trying. I see Blackburn has reverted to type! Samba has become a lightweight, falling over under pressure from Peter Crouch!!
Thank you Paul Parker for saying what needed to be said.
Scott, some of the posts in this thread and some recent ones are absolutely disgraceful and it is always the same people ruining it for the rest of us. When I come on this blog I want to read about Manchester United and football issues, and maybe a few funny, good natured comments, not the irrelevant opinions and disgusting ranting of the same group of people. They are ruining your blog and disgracing all Manchester United fans.
sachu (and your various other aliases) , you are annoying everyone and ruining this for everybody. If that is your idea of fun then you are an idiot. If you want to talk about football, get a new user name and just write comments about football.
MG / Viva MG, just look at some of your comments. They’re full of angry ranting, offensive language and mindless bragging about yourself. It is disgusting behaviour made worse by your repeated posting comment after comment, filling up the blog with this nonsense. Some of us don’t care how spectacular a writer you claim to be and we don’t want to read your childish drivel “viva MG” songs but I am sure nobody wants to read your filth laden rants at other posters, however annoying those people may be. You’re not defending a friend, you’re embarassing yourself and ruining the blog for other people.
CedarsDevil, you’re usually a good poster but your comments about Cypriot women on the Suarez thread are no better than Suarez’s comments. If anyone posted ‘black women are ugly’ or whatever then you would be one of the first to jump in and call them a racist. How are your comments different? They are racist and demeaning to women. Please don’t try to justify it by saying it was a ‘joke’ between friends. You posted it on a publicly accessible blog and it isn’t funny. You have no right to claim people of one race are any less attractive than any other. Even if that is your belief, keep it to yourself or private between you and any like-minded friends. Disgraceful behaviour especially on a thread condemning Suarez for his actions. You’re not much better than him.
smartalex, some people are singling you out but you are far from innocent in all this. All too often your posts contain aggressive and foul language and you have taken it upon yourself to threaten other posters with “exposure” or call them insulting names if they don’t agree with your particular views. You are just as bad as the idiots targeting you.
It is sad that a group of grown adults can’t behave themselves on a blog dedicated to a club that they all claim to support.
I wandered to some Liverpool bloggs yesterday to see what they were saying. The noise level had dropped considerably from the pre-verdict chatter, and looked about 50:50 between victims of conspiracy and ‘fair-dos’.
The victims are the most engaging; I love the foaming at the mouth type of posts.
Something I saw a couple of times that amused me:
United 19 + 3 = 22
Pool 18 + 5 = 23
Sad fucks, huh?
Ash
AVB actually told his team to look at the staff after they score a goal to see the unity!! Its just priceless.
http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/united-target-confident-agreement-will-be-reached
Jordi alba is not joining us. It was rumoured that he was going to join us In summer but It is not true.
Sir Giles
Absolutely spot on mate these personal abusive posts are literally ruining this blog. Scott has done an amazing job reviewing the fa report and exposing lazy tribal journalism and we have to read drivel as you have pointed out.
Great idea swap emails or meet and have a straightner but leave it off this blog please.
Jim
Yeah its Priceless. They are behaving very funny. Chelsea are turning to a comedy club or they have.
If it had been a united player who was in this situation (ofcourse united players will never be in such a situation), I would have supported him as well. To some extent, we can understand why l’pool supporters are reacting in this way. But at some point, you do have to accept, say sorry and move on.
Here comes Kiko…
Slightly off topic but does anything think Suarez should have gotten more than a one match ban for his gesture to the Fulham fans. It seems to me that he got off a bit lightly because he was already hit with an eight match ban. I must say I was expecting a three match ban and surely both incidents should be treated separately.
Ash
They are a comedy club, its a club where player power is greater than the manager, the rumors about how they got scolari sacked were shameful.
Macheda coming on for QPR with 10 mins to go.
Little thought to interrupt the name-calling – is the sparse press coverage/support due to the media being ABU – but also cos Evra is French?
oh god, he could have scored with his first touch but only for goalie to innterrupt in the last second..
Unfortunately, a lot of scouser fans are seeing this as a United Vs Liverpool issue rather than a racism issue so they’re reacting in those terms and will continue to do so until told otherwise by the LFC leadership.
It may not come from Kenny Dalglish or Damien Commoli but surely John Henry and Fenway Sports have to step in and sort this out before their club suffers further.
byron1970
Just compare the Rooney at west ham situation, its a farce.
Sachu and Voice of the Voiceless were the same person. I’ve blocked him.
get in wolves
1-1 now, wolves score!
STR
Thank You mate. UTD UTD UTD
Scott – Good man! Bye bye Sachu/VOV?
Smartalex vindicated.
Atlast an end to the sachu saga.
2-1 chelsea now….no fake celebration though.
Well done Scott – for taking the action you have (Blocking VOV/Sachu) but also for NOT doing it sooner. We don’t need nannying and you have given everyone here free reign to express their views and only taken action when ppl were going over the top – VOV only seemed to be coming on to be insulting and distract from football talk.
It’s also up to us to not give these trolls the airtime they crave – DONT respond to their idiotic, irrelevant, childish jibes. Rise above it
Blackburn back to reality. My Goodwillie scored.
VIVIA MG
great work buddy u managed to get that troll sachu out of ROM!!
Did anyone see kiko play for wigan?If yes,how did he do
Chelsea scrapethrough then..
wolves 1 2 chelsea
Blackburn 1 2 stoke..
villa being villa again, losing at home to swansea.
Willie,
how are u my friend? happy new year..
yup they are back to reality
sachu/such-a protracted pain.
gaurav12931: He didn’t have much time, almost scored but was denied by the fast goalkeeper who came off his line.
STR
Great news maybe this place will come back to some sort of normality.
So all away wins in the prem today! I for one would be ecstatic if that continued tomorrow and Wednesday!
Gaurav,
hello buddy,
yup i watched Kiko,
He had no chance, not even half ones bar one..
There was no supply for Kiko and Norwich defended well..
its just a ten minutes roll out and nothing much!!
he will need time before he gets the grip..
Sandeep – Same to you mate.
I would’ve bet good odds Blackburn losing after the weekend. These teams seem to find something extra against United.
MikeKelly,
indeed it will ecsastic,,
how u pal, happy new year..
I m hoping we will hit Magpies hard,
Sir Alex wont take any of these from now on, he and to be fair we have had enough,
fuck these injuries and i do know its a transition..
on a good note, Berbatov is back to form!!
Valencia is on fire, expecting this combo to fire us home tmrw…
niddo
Let me say it to you in a way that you would get it
Go fuck yourself motherfucker
I don’t rant I don’t need to rant bitch – I’m the fucking man – I write to amuse and please me and prety soon as I laugh to my hearts content I’ll happily get paid more money for it – If you don’t want to read my childish drivel you fucking uneducated bastard using your grandma to write shit for you why the fuck do you think it’s necessary replying to me?
You are not even in my fucking league because it’s a league of one here bitch and you are not even fit to be the laces in my shoes fuck anything else
Your back as sachu or one of his alter ego’s
Never seen you here before – but the bullshit is consistence of other fuck heads with tin cans for brains
Again Willie I am angry and you and everyone knows what happens when I get angry
I will defend my friends
And my club
And unfortunately things will be said
And what Paul Parker said to me though innocent can be used for idiots like niddo to hurl back in a negative way
I have no further reason to keep on justifying my anger Scott has come here and proven that smartalex was right and so was I for being so angry
And still am
Go fuck a bargepole niddo I don’t need to do anything to myself – you and your fucking asshole friends are shitting yourselves with the same old talk.
I’ll trump my card whenever I want it’s my card to fucking trump bitch – league of one don’t forget it
Fat Frank scores the winner, when he shouldn’t be on the pitch. Old grumpy Mick will be going mental!
Is ANYBODY really surprised. This is classic Liverpool FC. they believe they are ALWAYS right even when you are so wrong it hurts. They have been up against it in this case from the word GO. explain to me how a club can support racism an STILL be trying to play the victim? just WOW.
Willie
He’ll blow a gasket when he hears Ashley Cole should have walked as well.
Cheers Scott – im sure you don’t have the time for this fuckry (who does?) but cheers for that.
@ Niddo – thanks mate, and your welcome!
@ Warwick – spot on at 16:50 mate, short and straight to the bloody point.
@RoM posters – we all know STR runs this site because of his love for the Club, and we all say we share the exact same love, so can we put the two together and keep the quality of “our” blog up please? STR does his part and we have to do ours. Case in point, if you google “Suarez Report” from an English internet connection the previous RoM thread is the THIRD search result that comes up. Its probably the same worldwide, but embarrassingly, once people click that thread and read through STR’s great analysis, 50% of the posts that follow are prattling on about user-name theft and other irrelevant nonsense, despite the serious and far reaching topic of the thread. To the objective football reader it just looks FUCKING PLASTIC fellas, and it reflects bad on the whole idea of a RoM, which is a brilliant concept that attracted many of us in the first place.
Back on Topic, for anybody who wants to read relevant user generated content on this topic, check this page out from a Liverpool blog that admits the ban is justified. There are 200 odd posts that all stay on topic (altho whether you agree with them all or not is another matter!)
http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/01/fa-report-how-dalglish-comolli-kuyt.html
To repeat, im not slagging off harmless banter people have on here, I can always skim past it, but if any of you feel the threads that SCOTT THE RED puts up are not entertaining enough or whatever, at least try and show their author and his readers who anticipate them a little more respect aye? Leaving post after post of irrelevances on every thread isn’t very respectful to RoM or its contributors imho. Try and keep it United is all im saying, as thats the 100% top reason we’re all here. Personally I couldn’t give a rats arse about somebodies “online honour” to be honest, *not even my own*, but I’d debate all day about our Club because thats real.
I am glad Chelsea won we want them in the top 4 not the scouse cunts
Sandeep
Happy New Year pal, all good here. How are you? Getting over the Blackburn result now, just, the Sunderland result helped.
niddo
I’ll aslo this this the last couple of weeks have been trumped by supposed United fans educating real United ones about etiquette and behaviour
Well I don’t know you bastard
Never heard of you bastard
Never read a fucking decent honest post about Manchester United bastard
I’m crazy but know it
I’m on the edge but I am aware of my intensity
I need not explain to amateurs how the privileged few get here and are able to stay here
I need nt for anyone to tell me how they don’t give a fuck about me
All my family and friends give me all the joy in the world why the fuck would I want to be associated with a fucking asshole like you that thinks if you demean me you’ll score brownie points with those like you
You lot live like fucking back slappers fucking talkie groups chit chat motherfuckers who don’t know any better
You fucking ridicule
You demean – you thrown shit
You have no fucking clue who and what I am – you have no clue the way my fingers are thrashing these keys writing to you yet my world is rosy parker fucking posy
It matters not a jolt what you hate of me I have many who love me all
Even this bit – the bit where I will get angry to fucking put assholes like you in your place
Fuck yourself
Like I said I’ll happily go down but only the way I want to – no sweat – no fucking sweat
19 – know what that is bitch? Bet you fucking don’t asshole that’s defiance and I have it in bucket loads
James – His post match interview will be interesting? If he does one, of course lol.
MG – As I said mate, feel your frustration. Scott dealt with it. Furthermore, did anyone ever doubt smartalex? Like he would be posting under different names, to attack people? I’d love to say, this will be the last time this happens. I seriously doubt it though.
James21, cole’s foul was in my opinion worse than the one rooney did playing for england which got him the red card. Cole kicked the wolves player in the chest and got nothing for it.
niddo
How is calling a countries women ugly, racist? Isn’t it just personal preference?
if someone said to me I don’t like white women I’d laugh.
Don’t be a fool.
Fucking rovers lost to Stoke at home
. I think every time that shity team is crashed by all nobodies of EPL (they will cause they are shit) we will remember that we lost to them in that disgraceful game. Funny how that game was considered that most unlikely game by bookmakers (the odd were 28 to 1) in EPL history.
Geez… calm down MG… goosfraba!! Ignore them.
United.george.
Garth Crooks looked livid on BBC final score.
Ben Thorney the former United winger?
Scott the Red says:
“Sachu and Voice of the Voiceless were the same person. I’ve blocked him.”
Cheers. Suspected as much. Good riddance.
As for Blackburn, can’t say I am surprised at this. After you play your cup final (and they played two if you count Anfield) then quite often you are not bothered with the following game. That’s why they won’t survive.
MG,
Calm down buddy…
off the chest it goes..
MikeKelly,
I m good buddy…thanks
Orez
A couple of bookies had them at 33-1. However, once the team was announced those odds did drop!
Getting back to Sensibility, could we all make a conscious effort to ignore anybody who comes in here spouting shit rather than reacting to it. They’ll soon get bored when they realise nobody is listening.
Shouldn’t Kuyt and Comolli be facing action for trying to mislead the commission?
Love this article! The FA’s statement basically said EVERYTHING I’ve been arguing in Evra’s defense against these scousers on blogs, YouTube, and other sites. Those cunts can all suck it now!! How can you defend an asshole like Suarez?! Do none of these people remember his biting incident last season? Or his goal line handball denying Ghana’s progress in the WC10? Deserves any ban he’s given, cunt. I hope the morons appeal and get the ban extended!
What an excellent article by Scott, exposing the disgraceful lies of Liverpool hack Ben Thornley.
Thornley’s article was an outrageous attempt to mislead impressionable Liverpool fans who haven’t read the report, and in doing so inciting yet more resentment and hatred of Patrice Evra, Manchester United and the Football Association. An absolutely scandalous and very dangerous piece of propaganda.
Thornley is either an ignorant moron or a calculating scumbag. Either way, the last shreds of respect that the name of Liverpool FC engendered in the football are being torched by the delusional, extremist ravings of wankers like Thornley.
Hope Fulham turn the goon squad over.
Time for dinner..BRB
“engendered the football community”, that should read.
I second Mikey. Ignore, and they will soon disappear.
I find it astounding that Liverpool would even contemplate appealing. The report leaves no stone unturned and an appeal would be as misguided as those fucking t-shirts!!
M19ke
I suggested that a year or so ago but it didn’t work.
Am I the only one that believes that this country should never be allowed to host events such as the Olympic Games. Our problem is we have a section of our media and tabloid press that is actively supporting and encouraging racism. This article in the Daily Post is a case in point. What concerns me is what is going to happen for instance if a white british athlete collides with a black athlete from say Kenya? How long will it be before this section of our media resorts to vile racist abuse regardless of who is in the wrong? Clearly it will not be very long and will continue unabaited as there seems very little control of our media.
Personally I am angry and disgusted at the behaviour of Liverpool fans as well as their club. The fact is Suarez has committed an offence and has been rightly punished. However it seems Liverpool fans are still insisting this is Liverpool versus Manchester United. WRONG, WRONG WRONG there is a far bigger picture here. This is about racist abuse something that has no place in a civilised society. May I remind Liverpool FC and it’s fans that this kind of racial discrimination is a major reason we fought against Adolph Hitler in the Second World War because of his persecution of other races and religions. It seems to me if these idiots had been around then we would all be speaking German now. Do these fools not realise that they are displaying the same racial intollerances that were amply demonstrated by Hitler.
Anyway my fellow Mancunians I am sorry if I am getting on my soap box and preaching. It is just that this whole attitude really has me riled. I never realised that we had so many ignorant people in our society.
first of all, for the one who asked for kiko, he’s playing for QPR not Wigan. About this blog, i agree about the get together thing or friendly chats. But Paul Parker’s right.. We should at least stay ON TOPIC, not only relevant to football, and we should hold ourselves together if an idiot attacks. our words resemble this blog..
The away team winning seems to be continuing, arsenal score ahead lead 0-1
And again I apologise
But Paul Parker your full of shit
This is what you said to me:
@ Viva MG – change the station regarding the trolls will ya? This is a new thread and STR clearly wants to focus on this and not some some irrelevant childish VIRTUAL issue that has no bearing on the price on milk in REALITY – knock it on the head son, its getting fucking boring. See previous thread for details.
If others and that includes close friends I have on here think that’s fine – fine.
I don’t
Taking your fucking post piece by piece
You are asking me to change the station regarding trolls – fuck you I didn’t start it – in fact I asked many of those hurtling shit towards smartalex to stop in other blog/s
Irrelevant childish Virtual issue?
Go fuck yourself
Have a fucking lesson – This blog is about one person abusing and being cowardly to another person – Suarez v Evra
Suarez and those who have defended him have said that they are in the right –
It has been proven by a 115 page document that they are not
Well then I have only done the same because STR has said that sachu and vov were the same – I have argued that he is under these names and under more if STR wishes to look into it – I have successfully fought and defended my friend from guess what racist pathetic abuse and behaviour from said posters on here
That’s not fucking irrelevant and you do not have the capacity to understand that Evra may be a United player but has suffered from the mouths and actions of Suarez/Liverpool – yet how the fuck does it differ that smartalex a Manchester United fan on this blog does not require the efforts of the many in protecting him from the same fucking despicable actions?
If you believe that is fucking irrelevant childish virtue and then fucking holier than holy lecture about being off topic you are sadly mistaken
I was well aware of my actions because I have just proven the reason why
If you can’t see it then that’s not my problem you should not have fucking come to a conclusion that I don’t have it in me to address any given situation/topic without reasoning – I was fucking reasoned in my pursuit of the truth and the purpose of tying it to this subject
Fuck you – you and your fucking niddo can fuck your chitter chatter bullshit up your fucking cunts for all I care – league of fucking one and don’t forget it
Your milk comment was a disgrace – a fucking disgraceful comment – the way smartalex has been treated recently equals to the way Evra has been treated – for you not to understand my actions and then for you to childishly slap it off as my actions apparently bear no price on milk in reality is a fucking joke
A fucking bastard of a sick joke – my judgement my actions my control in this matter have been thorough
I knew what the fuck I was doing you don’t – instead of telling those who were participating in need of bullshit on this blog you chose me –
Fuck off
I do not have to repeat this again – but for you I will – I have made an effort to talk about United as good as the next person on here in equal measure if not more – I can relate everything back to United as I have done here and poured fucking piss on your pathetic comments to me
If you think I wasted my time
You were wrong
If you think I was fucking childish
You were wrong
Wrong at all points – I cannot make anyone see all the levels – but for you to imply or your fucking thank you mate niddo that I have no substance in the way I think and write about United you are fucking sadly mistaken.
Now fuck yourself again – if you think then that defending a friend on here from racist pathetic abuse is somehow boring you are the one that needs checking into
I’m fucking cool – league of one which you have no idea of
When you address me know that your fucking words were blown out of the perceived water of hatred and ridicule.
I’ll happily be kicked out of this blog for making an idiot out of you niddo and the rest of the fucking tooney lunes.
Good omen for Wednesday then.
I usually love games at St James, but I am a bit sceptical about it this time.
Good luck to Kiko!!
MG Calm down chico!!! Ommmmmmmmm
Redrider,
good point you make mate, the fuckers Kuyt and Comolli should be summoned…
all 4 of them are liars indeed…
Denise – I see your point but the problem is, taking away the Olympics or other events from the UK basically amounts to taking the toys away from all the kids because some can’t behave.
If we think about the European football bans all English clubs suffered as a result of Heysel, it’s pretty much the same thing. We’ve all said that was unfair, not just for us as United fans but all the other clubs too and even the scouse supporters that were nothing to do with that tragedy.
In this case, the FA seem to have got it right (it remains to be seen what happens with JT) and they can’t do much more at this point. What we need is for LFC to come out and condemn the racism and make gestures of apology like working with anti-racism groups etc. To be honet, I felt they should have worn anti-racism shirts instead of the Suarez ones.
Unfortuntely there’s not much that can be done about the media. There’s the whole argument about censorship of the press/freedom of speech to consider. Certainly the whole system needs a shake-up, especially in light of the phone hacking allegations etc, but that will take a long time.
@sandeep and YorYor
thanks for the update,
I guess il be happy as long as kiko keeps getting chances to have a run out,but he should begin to start matches for them,atleast in a months time,hopefully he’l have had established himself in that team by then..
a rapper on youtube rapping about the suarez issue …its funny as fuck!!
Check it out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wwREHz7k5s&feature=related
Haven’t seen many (if any for that matter) scousers come here and defend the racist ever since the verdict was made public. Hmm…
Kick racism out of football…. for 8 matches on full pay
Isn’t it strange that Man City have been tougher on Tevez for refusing to play than Liverpool have been on Suarez?
STR
Fantastic job on blocking the troll, well done pal. Most of us knew all along it was the same person. And to think the freak was talking to himself this morning! Bizarre
Don’t tempt fate Costas.
what the report is virtually saying is that Suarez dis say something to Paddy and Dogleash aided by Kuyt and others attempted to’blacken’ (no pun intended) Paddy’s name prior to the FA’S INVESTIGATION…
LIVERPOOL SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES AND I HOPE THAT THEY APPEAL THE BAN ….AND GET DEDUCTED POINTS FOR DOING SO
Cyril Sneer & Denise Williams
Hello, I was just about to reply to Denises post when up popped Cyril and replied in his usual eloquent manner!
Denise, i fully understand your anger but wish to point out that we should not let this incident consume us to the degree it seems to be doing.
For the first time in memory, the F.A. have done something right and done it pretty well.
As far as the Daily Hate is concerned, they and the majority of their readership have always behaved in the same way, in all aspects of their “journalism” when covering any story that involves race related issues.
Despite hearing from people in the USA that it would never have happened there, it is my considered opinion that race issues are addressed better here in the UK than anywhere else in the Western world.
That does not mean we should simply be grateful and hush it all up, far from it.
I agree that this is a much bigger issue than LFC/MUFC etc, but we are talking about addressing attitudes that have been ingrained into much of the populace for decades, if not centuries.
In life, invariably we get what we focus on.
Somehow, we should focus on any positives that may come out of this disgraceful affair.
I talk to myself when I’m in the loo Cedars.
Evening mate.
For some reason a post of mine asking for people to stop posting personal abuse on RoM has been removed. I’m sure it’s accidental as it was not itself abusive or directed at named individuals. All I did was suggest if people want to abuse each other they could exchange email addresses and do it all in private. There is a real danger of this brilliant blogsite being wrecked by all this abuse at the expense of proper discussion of Manchester United. I come to this site for intelligent, well-informed football discussion, not this un-funny ranting. As someone has said, Scott has done a great demolition job on this ridiculous Ben Thornley stuff but anyone coming across the site by accident will find it full of the most appalling foul-mouthed drivel which discredits the site, damages the reputation of United supporters and will only deter the more thoughtful fans from coming here. Please stop it, whoever you are and let’s get back to serious exchanges of opinion on United, starting with the Suarez affair and how Liverpool FC have handled their disgrace. It’s far more important than telling each other to fuck off, and far more interesting.
Cedars Multiple personalities so crazy
niddo
Seriously? hahaha Not sure but I believe you have never posted here before unless you are one of those who posts using different monikers…..
So you say my comment on Cypriot women puts me in the same category as Suarez? Are you daft?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and NO I was not joking I believe that the majority of Cypriot women are frigging ugly just as I believe that the majority of their Greek counterparts are gorgeous…
If I had said for example that I think that I find Sandra Bullock to be ugly, would that make me a racist too?
Cyril Sneer I do also see your point about the media and I fully agree that a shake up is neccesary. However with the Olympics looming ever closer on the horizon you would think that the media would exercise a little responsibilty. Sadly it seems this is not the case and will damage the reputaion of our country irretrievably if something is not done.
A couple of years ago William Gaillard of UEFA branded Liverpool supporters as the worst behaved in Europe. It seems to me there are many Liverpool fans out there determined to prove him right. I would love to email those vile racist messages aimed at Patrice Evra and the photo of Kenny Dalglish in his support Suarez T shirt to Mr Gaillard. I am sure he would be most interested.
I have to talk in my loo as well Willie……..the door on mine hasn’t got a lock ….
soren
Hello my love, I missed you. Hope you had a great time on New Year’s eve.
Willie
Evening pal
Sir Giles
I totally agree with you my dear old friend. However when you get total freaks coming on here and spouting pure hate and nonsense then a reaction is almost inevitable. The majority do ignore the trolls, personally I cannot, its just how I am.
Worry not though about the blog, Scott’s actions today have gone a long way in keeping the freaks away
Niddo. Who on earth are you to show your mush on here after NEVER seeing you and dictating what regulars who have been on here for time should blog?
I do however reckon you have posted before under a different name like a few who seem to get jealous that people have struck up camaraderie over the years.
How many headers are fulham going to miss today? Anyway, I guess this keeps liverpool out of the top 5……
It’s in my blood & Denise – I think to some degree the press have become too reactive. The print press in particular are so obsessed with staying relevant and competing with the internet that they will write any story just to get a story ‘out there’.
We see a lot of meaningless speculation stories and attempts to drag every issue out for as long as possible (e.g. this Rooney’s night out business with references to his contract stunt last year) and I’m sure part of that is they just have to ‘say something’ regardless of accuracy.
So many ‘journalists’ are happy to just wade in without knowing the facts, especially when it concerns Manchester United in any way because we’re good for a story and an easy target.
I wonder if any other country’s press hate winners as much as our own do.
Cedars
Hi mate.
After niddo’s post, nothing else for it mate.
I’m afraid it’s off to the Hague for War Crimes for you my son.
Do not pass go.
Hopefully we’ll meet up in 20-25 years when you’ve paid for your heinous ways!
Niddo
Whilst you may have made some valid points, was it really necessary to put those opinions across in the manner you chose?
Cedars has always spoken up against racist attitudes expressed by some regular posters.
Always.
Cedars I had very nice holidays,
You know, we love to party. ha ha
I missed you too.
Here’s something to stew over (not sure if anyone else has picked up on it): evidence from Dalglish, Comolli, Kuyt and Evra all stated that when asked why he had kicked Evra, Suarez told Evra he had done it “because you are black”. Suarez denies this, but the commission has accepted that Dalglish, Comolli, Kuyt and Evra are telling the truth. But surely, in that case, Suarez is not simply guilty of using racist language. By his own admission to four different people on four different occasions in three different languages, he is in fact guilty of a racially motivated act of violence (kicking Evra because he is black). If the punishment for using racist language is eight matches, shouldn’t the punishment for a racially motivated act of violence (in other words, a hate crime) be much more? I can only hope he appeals and that the FA realizes the significance of the evidence.
Surely the racist cunt doesn’t collect his pay while on suspension, that would be making a mockery of the whole situation.
Ah come on! Niddo is a dipper. He tries to hide his dipperish scouse ways, by speaking up for Paul Parker. Then says Cedars comment on Cypriot women, is similar to the Evra, Suarez dispute. Once again, a Liverpool fan trying to excuse his club and Suarez from this sorry mess. You can’t do that lads. You’ve been found out. You cannot kid a kidder!
StatesideAussie
A solicitor friend of mine and i had exactly that conversation this afternoon!
A very valid and by all accounts correct argument.
We may well see Her Majestys finest take action yet!
JC – I don’t think the FA can determine that as his contract is with LFC. The FA have issued the fine but it’s up to LFC whether they choose to further punish the player. They seem to be supporting him so far…
Fulham score, 1-1 now….just means that the arse have to score the winner to keep the away trend going!
Here come Cottagers
It’s in my blood
HI pal, only 25 years? Seems I got off lightly then! hahaha
soren
I know you Mexicans love to party and I love that about you……. Wait, was that a racist comment?
Last minute win by arsenal….oh well the trend is broken…..
ha ha
Football, Bloody hell..
Zamora, that goal is worth a winner
Cedars
Well, lets face it mate, Suarez got 8 games, but you……what you have apparently done is the most heinous of crimes that nothing short of 25 years will suffice!
Niddo is both judge and juror and you my friend have been convicted.
Anyway, i don’t want to give anymore space to his ramblings, but, talking of real racists, where’s our resident racist recently?
I know it’s hard to accept that even we have racists in United shirts, but hey, they’re in every club.
Glad arsenal won keep the scousers out of European contention.
Not over joyed that Arsenal lost to be honest, I would much rather them then the rent boys in the top four if that was the choice
@Doghouse – excellent post, words cannot express how disgusting the whole thing is. No other manager except Rafa and Dalgliesh would have done this. In my opinion, most managers would have handled it better than this. I my opinion KKK takes the blame for this.
@Heywood is red – excellent post mate, although I don’t think that liverpool fan would understand your explanation.
@STR – thanks for banning that schu bloke – it was such a pain.
Arsenal beaten v fulham!!!
It’s in my blood
I know exactly who you mean pal….. Demented he is.
Speaking of racists, our own Big Ron sadly was/is one and of the highest order may I add
Giggs12
Arsenal lost pal!
Cedars
Your joking the useless bunch of cunts where was RVP
Cedars
Van Persei doesn’t scored so weird
RVP had a decent game,
the Djouro red card chnaged the game, until then fulham dint have the will or luck to go all the way..
and then 2 goals in last 15 minutes….Lovely winning volley by Zamora..
Godd night lovely Red Devils around the world, catch u all first thing tmrw morning..
Manchester United
Giggs12
Now, no need to get RVP into this pal otherwise I will start my K stand v the Stretty debate going again! hahaha
soren
Turns out he is human after all!
Cedars- If but that kind of human haha
soren – Well lets just say he is super human! hahaha
Cedars ha ha
Take care, corazon.
And I thought The ATF guys got all those fuckers at Waco (even missing the K it still seems right) appears some got away and pitched their tent here,STR how many others are using multiple accounts?More to the point how are you letting them away with it,all sites I visit bar this would ban users with two accounts
parryheid- How about your health? Are you Ok?
soren
You are my corazon…… Look after yourself sweetheart
Oren.
Perfectly healthy thanks for your inquiry and I hope you also.
@ VIVA MG – so are you the regular poster thats normally on here as MG? There I was assuming you were a new lunatic not worth responding to. Be honest “mate” – your outbursts today have left you looking a tad unhinged haven’t they? Re-read my small comment to you and re-read your responses to me. All that swearing and carrying on over nothing was fucking odd to put it politely. I’d ask you for an apology (and you do owe me one considering I’d said fuck all) but your first few posts on this thread have already been intentionally deleted and your last post to me at 17:56 is still pathetic so I won’t even bother. But theres no hard feelings from me, just pity really. I’d like to wish MG a VERY HAPPY new year all the same, and spot on to all those who objectively told him to “calm down”. Yes, he’s clearly had four whole weetabix this morning but acting as if his bizarre rants are normal or even funny will NOT do him any favours in the long run will it?
Well it’s late evening
I’ve done my job and would happily do it all over again
Regardless my jaw dropped when Paul Parker decided to have a dig – and for that he had his reply – I have no need to wait for his reply nor accept any apology not that I am seeking one – I don’t want it from supposed readers who have some sort of take on how this blog should operate without realising the consequences of their own actions.
In reference to this racism debate smartalex was on the end of it and I had had enough and so I am absolutely clear that in my mind what I did was right
If people and those with genuine standards were offended by the level I had to resort to in order to fulfil my point of view I sincerely apologise like I did earlier but it seems maybe accidentally that post got deleted.
I have no qualms with certain of my posts being deleted because the language used was fierce.
I have though no consideration to apologise to complete and utter useless bastards who mock the very name of this club and then continue to pretend otherwise by the very disgusting and immoral nature of their posts.
I am privileged – one of me is a lot – together though with shared friends I am stronger better and able to operate at a level that sometimes I don’t even understand how I get to – but I do so because of such people who are human even through the thickness of this modern of all technologies. Humans who have hearts and souls and a clear and deep rooted understanding of what it means to support Manchester United.
After the shit storm I thank James for his words – I did not reply to you my friend because I did not want anyone to turn their vicious bullshit on you so kept quiet.
Thank you to Willie – every thing you said was fair – but I just happen to disagree with you on Paul Parker – I broke his converse to me down I didn’t feel that he was any different to how anyone else would have understood him – I have no need to engage in petty fights – it’s fine how one perceives the information which is in front of them – it wasn’t good to me and after all this time I stand by my word.
Good luck to Paul Parker but he should not bother with me and I will quite happily pay the compliment.
I’m here most of the time and speaking only about myself I know what I contribute and don’t so people like Paul Parker may just mind that – I’m pretty sure whatever he contributes is personal and justified to him – in this instance he made a reference to me and in my situation and point of view he was out of order and wrong and that as mentioned is was and will always be my perception under the circumstances in which I was spoken to.
No one else has to defend that or take sides – it is how it is I am old enough to deal with it.
Though after today and looking the Devil in the eye I feel this place isn’t for me for a while.
niddo can still go fuck himself and grow some vag and meat whilst he’s at it – if he ever wants to come back again and feel the force he’s welcome but unfortunately at the moment I’ve switched auto-pilot off.
It’s not about me – this place – I don’t do bullshit post crap and pretend to be a Prophet or saviour coming back – there is no grand entrance and those that know me know that
I am grateful that there are many who have experienced United more than me – they should be looked to in order to understand United better – if my version of United creates acceptance I am honoured – but I am one amongst many not the one of many.
I’d love to get in contact with a lot of people on here notably the man who gave me this name and those that without any knowledge or prior engagement have been full of warmth and soul to me.
That time will come for now I fell I have to go away – today just knocked me out but for my friends I would happily do it again – need to walk away.
Before I go I would like to say hello to soren – sorry for not saying hello
Never Die 58 Balaji
19
Soren.
Sorry distracted should read Soren not Oren.
@ Willierednut – fuck knows about Niddo, haven’t noticed him here before either mate, but I should add (probably unnecessarily knowing you) that just because I acknowledge the part of a bloggers post addressed to me doesn’t mean I agree with everything they may say. Yeah I read what he said about Cedars, but I didn’t pay it any mind at the time as I didn’t read Cedars original post myself. Now you’ve all mentioned it Niddo’s comments, I’ve got an opinion on it.
@ Cedars – I saw what Niddo said about you, but since I didn’t see your original comments about (I assume Turkish) Cypriot women I didn’t comment on his post, and since you’re always posting I expected you to address him sooner or later anyway, make sense? To be blunt mate I probably skimmed past your thoughts on Cypriot women at the time as I was looking for United-stuff, but I may as well add my penny’s worth now – I disgaree, I don’t think the Turkish Cypriot minority are inherently less attractive than the Greeks who came to the island under the shadow of a British gun – but thats just my opinion and on RoM its as irrelevant to United as your comment isn’t it? As for what your said, im sure you know the history of that Island a damn sight more than most, so even if you weren’t being racist it was a daft thing to put on a Manchester United blog imo – so im not surprised somebody pulled you up on it. Even if you believed it, you certainly wouldn’t say something as stupid as “all Indian women are ugly compared to Pakistani women” on this website would you? Course not, because you know the demographics and it would cause a lot of offence. Who knows maybe if a few Turkish Cypriot males posted on here you wouldn’t of made that comment about their women in the first place? Tens of thousands are reading remember, not just the 20 odd who post. Time and place for everything. Just my opinions mind, and im being very tactful about it I hope you notice. Not a dig in the slightest, had I not acknowledged Niddo in my post I’d still be keeping my thoughts to myself.
@ James21 – I can understand why you CAN’T see how that comment could be racist (and im not saying Cedars WAS being racist) but it could very easily be offensive when you consider the racism that Turks of Cyprus face everyday at the hands of Greeks mate. If somebody popped up on RoM and said all Republican woman are ugly compared to Northern Irish women I doubt people would be so casual about it because they know THAT history a bit better don’t they? Ok, well look at the professional basketball game attended by tens of thousands last month in Cyprus – might not of been on Sky or BBC but Greek “fans” attacked and injured Turkish traveling supporters AND professional players right there in the stadium because they “dared” to be ethnically Turkish in Cyprus that night. Not sure what your “threashhold” for racism is but that WAS an unprovoked racist attack based on the racial background of the victims. So yeah, maybe Niddo was a scouser stirring trouble like Willierednut says, or maybe he’s just a pissed of Turkish Cypriot who supports United and their stance against ALL racism? Either way, with all the bloodshed between Turks and Greeks on that little island in recent decades that comment from Cedars wasn’t exactly kosher, was it? Thats all im saying, and seeing as we’ve all just finished declaring our anti-racism pledges to each other since this Suarez thing began I think this post has been worth sharing with you all? Maybe some will still claim that Cedars comment was innocent, and maybe it was, but ignorance is no defence is it? Ask Suarez.
@Parry – been calling for that exposure for ages now, still Scott was spot on nipping it in the bud today. I don’t want to see RoM become censored but at least we’ve all seen Scott is on the case when it comes to the wums and trolls, and long may it continue. (Happy New Year btw)
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Again, I don’t want to be a hypocrite so I’ve left this at the bottom of an old thread rather than drag it up in a new one. But for fuck sake can we all try and stay a bit more on topic? Im not excluding myself in that bracket, and keeping things a bit more civil wouldn’t go amiss either. If anybody wants to respond to anything I’ve said DO IT HERE please as I don’t want to continue this conversation on a new thread. This shit is already old to me and all I care about is three points on Wednesday, ta very much.
Correction from an earlier post. I meant last minute win by FULHAM, not arsenal.
second day of the new year and I am already losing it:-)
MG
No matter what the issue is I for one will ALWAYS blindly support you
Get the fuck stuck in pal
Paul Parker
I have no beef with you pal, in fact I enjoy your posts. Your dig at MG was out of order pal….
As for me, no my comment was on ALL Cypriot women be it Greek or Turkish….. Read the post before making assumptions my friend.
The best post of the lot was Giles Oakley at – 18:40, and his brilliant post that was accidentally deleted with the trash earlier on was spot on too.
So in response to Giles’ humble call for calmer heads to prevail I’ll refrain from the “personal attack” I was about to level on here after reading that bollocks just put up. Its pathetic, and at the end of the day I’d hate to be seen ranting and raving over absolutely FA like some of the dross thats been DELETED from this page today already. For the record everything I’ve said is still here and none of it was offensive.
Laters RoM.
(Remember, reply here if you really want, but I don’t wanna see this shit dragged forward and im sure people reading this don’t want to see it drag on either, its boring ffs. Less irrelevant bollocks on RoM threads and more United content, thats all thats being asked)
@Denise Williams
Very well said, completely agree with it. This sets a precedent that can’t be followed, if you tolerate racist abuse because it’s a player from your club, how long before excuses are made in other situations. Couldn’t agree more.
I know that this will be a very contradictory point in my post, but please everyone calm down. I rant regularly (as regularly as I can, drink has incapacitated me a lot this festive season), and use strong language and direct my ire at such fine institutions as LFC, MCFC, LUFC, KKK, CLLC and many other people/organisations who can be referred to as an abbreviation. We are all United supporters. I was drawn to this blog because it is a place to share my opinions, vent when I’m furious at a ref, celebrate at great moments like when we won 19. Even if we have different opinions, let’s not get dragged down into a slanging match. I personally enjoy nearly every post on here, and look forward to reading other fans opinions.
However, I do feel obliged to write a rant now, I typed one up last night before slipping into alcohols intoxicating embrace.
Once again I must express my sheer disbelief at the arrogance of City. On the live text feed during the Sunderland game, a City fan said “boring unattractive football wins again!” sarcastically. Sorry, but do they even know they’re fucking born? You don’t even have to go back to when they were fighting Fulham in Division 2 to have seen them play boring defensive football, look at last season! And they won a trophy (sorry, they were the champions of the FA Cup). Yet they now say “We score when we want” and believe the shite that Mankini comes out with saying they are close to Barca etc. Sorry, but they’re at full strength, we’re crippled by injuries, and we’re on level points. We’ll score when we want my arse. They are so small time it’s incredible. Can’t remember who said it but someone said that City are like the scummy neighbours you hate who suddenly come into a vast amount of wealth and then shout about it left right and centre. Couldn’t agree more.
And now for the extreme focal point of my ire, Liverpool Football Club. It’s gone beyond a joke now. It wasn’t bad enough that they immediately tried to defame Evra, they and those affiliated lied to the investigators, they publicly defied the FA by speaking to the media about it in such an arrogant fashion. The list goes on and everyone already knows it. Two things strike me about this. One is the behaviour of King of the Klan Kenny. How on earth can he have the arrogance, having been told by Suarez what was said, to say that whoever is the guilty party should be severely punished? Or the sheer audacity to say “Let’s not let him walk alone” on Twitter? Or to wear that stupid t-shirt? He really has dug himself into a deep hole with the whole affair. To support someone who is even accused of racism is bad enough, to support them with a massive song and dance campaign and publicity stunts left right and centre is even worse, and to do so before the verdict was reached and the report published is despicable. It’s disgusting that he would overlook such an important and sensitive issue and make it about United vs. Liverpool. Pity City indeed Scott. They painted Suarez as a victim, Evra as a villain. How on earth can you demand Evra is punished?!? For being racially abused?!?!?!? How fucking thick are they? I suppose those dead Juventus fans should be shat on as well eh? They are so devoid of sense and cohesion it is absolutely incredible. They have shown themselves to be what we always knew they were however. Lying cheating racist cunts. Glen Johnson, you should be fucking ashamed of yourself. You might as well go to prison and make yourself someones bitch, that’s how much of a spine you have. Dirk Kuyt, lying cheating bastard, how you can say Evra is playing the race card is beyond me. He never has, a fact which is conveniently glossed over by the press more often than not. They have all behaved disgracefully. It is fucking disgusting the depths they would sink to. Completely lost my respect for Victim FC. Didn’t have much anyway, but whatever was left is gone. They have sunk so low that they aren’t worth it anymore. Odds on Liverpool fans chanting racist abuse at Evra? Odds on them claiming it was Chelsea fans fault? Odds on them claiming that the racist abuse is accepted in their country of origin? Odds on them chanting “justice for scumbags”? What a fucking joke this whole affair is. Liverpool have shown themselves to be a classes vile cesspit of scum. We have been dignified in our silence, and I’m sure that the FA will throw the book at Liverpool over everything that’s happened regarding this. Not as much as they would warrant, but I will be shocked (somewhat, after all the FA are fucking useless most of the time) if the FA don’t act over it. Hope those cunts from the Victimside take a look at that report, realise what actually happened, realise the gravity of the situation and ignore shite like this. In other words, think for them fucking selves.
Hope all on Rom had a blinding Christmas and New Year as well! King Eric, hope your wee baby is doing well!
As I live in North Wales I usuall get to see the region’s edition of this rag. Believe you me, this article does not surprise me at all as it is consistent with the usual shite that this arrogant ‘journalist’ comes up with on an almost weekly basis. In other words it is a reflection on the newspaper in general.
It’s In My Blood … cheers, it’s interesting to hear about your chat with your lawyer friend. Indeed, let us hope they do take action!
Well, lads, I am off to Australia tonight … will be absent from ROM for a few days. I sent Scott an updated and improved article on the injury situation, with some new data looking at injury rates per match. Not pretty reading, but I hope he is able to publish it. Cheers to you all!
good luck StatesideAussie, have a safe trip….you used to watch the games 10 hours earlier, now it will be 10 hours later?
Paul Parker
The fact that you write book long posts does not give you a free pass to have digs at other posters here pal, especially MG. Your snide dig at me did not go down well either
Paul Parker.
Yep it’s a blue do when censorship comes into play.Happy new Year to you also and to the stressed This
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt66G-lGx_A
Paul
Sorry mate I didn’t see your post.
Like I said isn’t it personal preference. Can’t see how someones personal preference on a certain woman’s atractiveness is in any way racist. Maybe wrong.
MG – You would do the same for me, no doubt. I didn’t want 2 respected posters going at it over a fucking cunt who was stealing usernames. You made your point. Paul made his. Scott acted swiftly, by blocking the weirdo. This place is for you, by the way. Don’t be talking silly. How many times has arguments broken out on here? KE and Paul Parker, were exchanging phone numbers, to arrange a meet! It gets tense. The wums/trolls try to create havoc by making up things like the so called clique. I think though, as King Eric said, they’re jealous of how the regulars get on with each other. I won’t apologize for having a good rapport with certain posters. Take a day mate. Compose your thoughts and come back with same style you’ve always had. 19
Didn’t think any deal would be made out of Cedars’ question to me earlier today. I thought the nature of the question was pretty clear. Differences between nationalities are often discussed like this. Hey, like Cedars, I am of the opinion (based on my experiences there) that British women may also not be as beautiful as the Greek ones. If that makes me racist, so be it.
Anyway, a lot of tension today has led to a couple of misunderstandings. Imo sachu got what he deserved at the end of the day. And despite some of his heated posts, I hope people won’t forget that MG is one of the best and most upbeat posters in here. ROM is always better off with him in here.
And I hope he and Paul Parker work things out in the future because both are among the finest of this community and I don’t like seeing them argue.
That’s all from me. Back to footie.
Well said Costas. My post in defence of MG and smartalex was deleted because it was aimed at VOV.
Now lets get back to picking on Cedars.
have a good trip stateside. Hope it works out back down under.
I didn’t think there was anything wrong with Cedars comment. Maybe I’m also wrong?
@James
Lol, always a favorite topic of mine.
Bobbycharlie. Hello mate. Yes pal he is sound. Got a right nights kip last night. Keep those epic rants coming fella as obviously I am a bit pre occupied at present to rant away. Quality as ever.
How fucking shit have Arsenal become. Sandeep my pal for once I have to disagree. I though RVP was fucking gash tonight but when you have shite like Walcott providing the balls that’s to be expected. Walcott is atrocious. Truly woeful. Mertersackoshit is awful. As is Rosicky. Infact most of the fucking squad. Shows how low they have sunk when they spend the entire second half sitting back defending a one goal lead. Pathetic. Wenger is old news and needs to do the honourable thing and step down as he really is not taking that club forward.
Fucking detest Suarez, that much goes without saying but glad he is eligible for tomorrow night as gyppo won’t cause City problems. Bellamy with a point to prove on the other hand may just.
Costas
Cheers my friend and well said…….
Again and for the record, I honestly believe that the majority of Cypriot women are ugly as fuck! hahaha
Costas
You bugger, join the party why dont you eh? haha
@James21 – im not saying a personal preference is racist. Who said that? Cedars could like fucking camels for all I care, all im saying is there is a time and a place for those kinds of topics and ROM AINT THE PLACE FOR SLAGGING OFF NATIONALITIES.
Come on, do I really have to explain to grown men why thats the case? Fucking hell…. I know people on here don’t like upsetting each other, but call a spade a spade for fuck sake. I could personally think all women from X country smell like donkeys but saying that ALOUD on here would be bang out of order imo. Why should it be alright to slag off Cypriot women on RoM anyway? What about Indian women, are they fair game too? Doubt it very much, and if we had a lady who posted on here as the Cypriot Princess would people still be defending Cedars right to casually slag off her entire country? Would he even dare say it in the first place? Doubt it very much, and that says it all for me, which is why im saying LETS JUST STICK TO THE FOOTBALL as there are too many things to argue about away from it. Giles made a brilliant point about our impact as bloggers on RoM at 18:40 but some people are acting as if they can’t see it. Whatever makes people feel secure I guess, no skin off my nose.
cedars – not all Cypriot women are ugly, what about George Michael??
Actually, have to agree there having lived in greece and also visiting Paphos, Cyprus many different summers. The Greek women have become the hottest in Europe!
Anyway, Greek Tzatziki>Cypriot Tzatziki!! we can all agree on that one at least?
RIP Gary Ablett. I forgot about it, through all the BS on here.
Paul
niddo did @ 16:26 where my 1st post was aimed at. So calm down.
And please don’t try and belittle me by using the grown men line.
@King Eric
Nice to hear mate! Wish you all the best with raising the lad, just make sure you keep him red! Also couldn’t agree more about Arsenal, Wenger blaming the referee when even your kid could tell him that Arsenal are a shite team and a shite squad now. Looking forward to the match at the Emirates, they’re fans were arrogant enough and optimistic enough to forget that they are dreadful, saying that with United and City dropping points Arsenal are back in the title race. What a joke, Spurs and Chelsea are more likely to trouble us, and looking at how vital that win at Wolves is for Chelsea, that’s not saying much.
@Cedars, do me a favour. I’ve had no issues with you whatsoever so don’t act like I’ve suddenly pissed on somebodies mother. This was all I said to MG so how was it bang out of order exactly?
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@ Viva MG – change the station regarding the trolls will ya? This is a new thread and STR clearly wants to focus on this and not some some irrelevant childish VIRTUAL issue that has no bearing on the price on milk in REALITY – knock it on the head son, its getting fucking boring. See previous thread for details
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Your mate MG went on a ranting spree after that ONE post, and he’s even had his earlier rants aimed at me DELETED by STR for fucks sake, so how can you just ignore that and say im the one thats out of order? Are you actually serious? And to make it worst you turn around and say you’ll “support MG no matter what he does”? Tells me all I need to know about you really, you actually said you’d “blindly support” him. Ha, whatever makes you happy in life pal but that is NOT calling it how you see it thats being a unabashed hypocrite and I don’t have a lot of time for those types. Didn’t realise you was one.
As for your thoughts on Cypriot women, I didn’t read your original comments, I addressed you directly and told you I was assuming. Even if I wanted to read what you actually said where the fuck would I start looking? I’ve just tried now and I still couldn’t find it as it could’ve been any day of the week. Fair enough you wasn’t distinguishing between Turks and Greeks but the point still stands. Its fucking offensive to slag off women of a given nationality, hence if this website was filled with Cypriot Reds I doubt you’d shared those thoughts about their wives, daughters, sisters and mothers as they’re unnecessarily offensive and theres no place for it – its a bad look for RoM and it reflects badly on all of us (as Giles rightly pointed out at 18:40)
Perhaps the worst part is that, even if Niddo was a scouser, he’s got a bloody good point about the hypocrisy on here, as if Evra WAS a Cypriot and Suarez DID admit that he told him “all Cypriot women are ugly”, guess what buddy? THATS AN EIGHT MATCH BAN FOR SUAREZ UNDER RULE E3 – and we”d all be calling for his punishment for insulting Paddy, including you. Thats really the crux of the matter. Couldn’t give a fuck what you actually think about Cypriot women, its your brain, but sharing your offensive views on RoMs pages isn’t on.
Theres no need to randomly slag off nationalities on here. None at all. The English can slag off the English and people can slag off their own nations and so forth, but anything else is bang out of order imo. I’ve got all types of opinions on women, even women from Lebanon buddy, but RoM isn’t the place for it is it? Course its not, a so don’t try and defend the indefensible, it makes me wonder why I had time for anything you had to say in the first place. Take this as a dig if you want but its really not, I’d say the exact same thing to anybody else in your position, and thats what separates me from you. So if you’ve only got something to say to me, but you’ve got nothing to say to MG after his posts at me were deleted, what the fuck does that make you exactly? Not worth my time.
Paul Parker
Let it go already pal and please stop mentioning me in your posts, you complained about the lack of football chat here yet you’re doing worse….. Trust me, you would much rather have me as a friend then otherwise….. Let it go
I am here to just defend something nothing else because I mean it I’m out
What Paul Parker said to me was fucking shallow
I responded
He calls it a rant I call it measured considering he also could have said the same thing to those posters who were actually wasting time on ROM – but he chose me – and did so for a reason
Later he laughs it off by saying Viva MG! was mistaken as someone different to MG but I should apologise for my rant – in context he said what he said to me because he was not sure who I was – no I won’t apologise – like I mentioned I was and still am pretty justified in the way I responded to Mr. Parker’s comment to me – he used me as an example to make his ends meet – yet he carries on going off topic but lectures everyone to be on topic – of course he was wrong but cannot see it – but hey I don’t care anymore.
Where he and i differ is easy – I hold no perception on who chooses to converse with him – Again his arrogance is such that he refuses to acknowledge that he rants about being on topic and then cannot see the way I defended smartalex was on topic and in relation to this blog post – his loss he still hasn’t paid any attention to what I have said – he merely thinks I am someone who rants and does not contribute to this post.
He does not talk about it instead chooses to ridicule me further by saying my posts to him were deleted that were so full of ranting that it somehow shook him
Well measured responses were to sachu and his ilk and also to Mr.Parker when he decided to have a dig and I was fully aware of the consequences of my actions. My actions were clear and I had no problem with Mr. Parker – but he did with me – he initiated a response to me and he got what he got. But somehow this disturbs him as for a while I kept quiet yet we should be all on topic for all those looking in from the outside yet he carries on. Weird way of saying something to us all and doing something different by yourself.
He says to keep on topic yet he can happily bring me into something for no apparent reason – he has no justification no meaning no context – he cannot explain other than a lie that he is somehow trying to be the saviour of how this blog should behave in front of others who may be watching
We behave very well – if others promote nonsense then it is up to us to stop it. And it also helps to be here – he is another person who chooses to come as he pleases and cries foul about etiquette and behaviour when it doesn’t suit him.
It would suit him if he actually were here most of the time – if he were here he would know who I was – but he doesn’t because he is not bothered – just concerned about his own agenda of policing this place to a standard he would like.
He does not take into consideration the shit we take on here from non fans and from the last week our supposed fans.
He is oblivious to this.
At 19.40 He uses Giles as an excuse to say the following:
So in response to Giles’ humble call for calmer heads to prevail I’ll refrain from the “personal attack” I was about to level on here after reading that bollocks just put up. Its pathetic, and at the end of the day I’d hate to be seen ranting and raving over absolutely FA like some of the dross thats been DELETED from this page today already. For the record everything I’ve said is still here and none of it was offensive.
He somehow makes everyone believe he is of Holy stature as Giles made him see the light – however he was ready to fire at me. Nevertheless he carries on his disrespecting of me by having a snide dig.
Well in my supposed final post I accept that I knew my posts would be deleted – I accept this because the language I used I knew was bad
But my job was clear – smartalex was abused racially and personally and I took it upon myself to stop that – I have justified it by relating the two topics – again I repeat myself.
And yet again Mr. Parker will not consider that his comment to me was off topic and out of order. He accepts I am clearly wrong and got punished accordingly by my hurtful posts being deleted towards him and serves me right for that – meaning he justifies his delusion that he is right and I am wrong
The truth is I came on here picking a fight to protect my friend smartalex from racial abuse – and horrific character assessment which he has had for a while.
I did that because those who were doing it thought they have every right to do it and carry on with it
I did that because I wanted to protect my friend from this evil
Again if I have an irrelevant childish virtue for my actions – no i don’t, If you couldn’t see that smartalex being racially and personally abused did not equal this story and more so was not as important as the price of milk in the real world then that is your problem not mine. If smartalex should not be afforded any protection from such abuse then that is your will – it wasn’t mine
When I came here the way I did – I was ready to fight for my friend and I am so glad I did
You may spin it the way you want to spin it
You may hide behind Giles as you are doing – the truth is one of my posts to Giles was deleted – the one Cedars should have also read as you claim because he would have seen me respect and apologise to Giles honeslty and sincerely and for the actions I was taking in defence of a loyal dear friend. Something I did for Giles not so long ago.
You may continue to work your bullshit as much as you want but the truth is you have been off topic yourself all day long and cannot see it.
And the other truth is that you cannot accept I was always oon topic but you just had to have a dig at me
By the way Cedars he had a dig at me when I was sorting the trash
Someone should ask him why he even bothered to get involved.
Because when he did he was out of order.
I have nothing further to say to you
You may be an outstanding person but today you have not understood my actions which I have clearly pointed out – the worse thing is you took on the wrong person
For that reason enjoy your stay and make sure you stay on topic as you so keep on saying.
Leave the real work to those who have the heart and courage for it. Stand back when United is being thrown to shit or when one of yours is being racially discriminated against
I am out of this place.
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One last thing
Silly me
This shirt is a symbol of defiance.
I did my job for my shirt today.
I have no shame and no second guessing.
I am proud to have been there for a dear friend
I fought against racism and abuse, and if you are reading this – you should know:
I will do it all over again if anyone thinks that they will get away with saying what they said to my friend or my friends
And if you pick on me then I’ll come after you.
No not the Goodfellas way or The Godfather
Just with words – know that
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Au Revoir
@ MG im not reading all that pally, but I did catch others saying don’t go. Didn’t even notice VIVA MG till today so please don’t leave on my account. To be fair tho, sarcasm aside, you’ve left me with the impression you’re actually mentally unbalanced and I therefore have no intention of pushing anybody in your position over the edge. Maybe a break would be good for you? I mean that.
@James21 – please, I am calm, if anything you should of joined the others earlier in telling MG to calm down when he was freaking out. Also, im not belittling you im being very very real – I should NOT have to explain to grown adults why the comment we’re discussing is offensive on a Manchester United football site like RoM. Besides, you already know the word “men” is plural don’t you so you already know I wasn’t addressing YOU as an individual. To make it clearer for you, im actually addressing everybody on here that doesn’t understand that slagging off another country on RoM is out of order.
Imagine if somebody popped up and declared “Every woman in SCOTLAND has a face like a slapped arse” how many on here would be really offended? Fucking loads I bet, and even if the person who said it was “only joking” a comment like that has no place on RoM in my opinion. Is that clear enough for you? I hope so mate, because kids in England learn this type of stuff in Citizenship class hence my disbelief I have to explain it to adults, so lets just stick to United aye? Its beyond me why somebody would defend their right to be offensive on a United fansite. Goat was blasted on here for demanding the same right to be offensive, so if HE can’t say offensive stuff why should Cedars? Who wants to explain that one? EXACTLY.
Funny? Funny how? How the fuck I’m I funny?
its like someone dropped a nuke on ROM. Matches, matches, give me matches !!
We don’t need no stinking matches!
@ Cedars – bore off, what do you mean “I’d much rather have you as a friend”, haha what do you think this is reality? You gonna send your nurse round? Listen, if you make a good point about the Club I’ll say spot on like I always do, that won’t change mate, but if you make an offensive comment about an entire nationality I’ll say something to address it like I just did. There I was thinking this is very simple but I guess not.
ANY compliment I’ve ever given to a RoM poster (inc you) was because I actually respected what they said, not because I wanted them to be my friend, thats not even in my genes mate. As for carrying this on I have no intentions of doing so, so why act like im ranting like MG ? In fact thats why I asked for all responses be on this page, so it could be left in the past. Sensible posters like Willie should know I won’t bring this up again, I’ve already said my piece.
But you know what Cedars? Even if you ignore every word I’ve said on here today and act like im bang out of order for daring to tell you something – I just hope you and everybody else take on board the message Giles left at 18:40 on this thread, because it was absolutely BANG ON and we’d all do well to listen to him. If anything I regret not having the same tact as him, im a bit more blunt you see, but I don’t hold grudges and this really isn’t a big deal for me in the slightest. I just speak my mind. In fact it seems the bigger deal is you being told straight up what you said was offensive. Have we not all seen GOAT IN A RED SHIRT bashed on here for generalisations very similar to your own? So why should you be treated any differently? I don’t get that at all. Imo you should of just apologised for any possible offence caused, but you haven’t even done that have you? No bother tho, as I have no intention of carrying anything “on” anyway. This page was always the end of it for me, thats why I had the courtesy to insist all responses be made here and not on newer threads. Whats been said has been said and thats it as far as im concerned.
slim – are you gonna start a fire ha ha
All my family are Greek Cypriots and I don’t find those comments at all amusing. I don’t really expect to come on a football blog and have to read derogatory comments about my race (or just the females, whatever) and I personally think there is enough opportunity for banter and humour without resorting to criticism of racial traits, whether perceived by the individual or not.
Obviously I’ve heard plenty of ‘your mum’ jokes in my time and I’m no stranger to taking the piss, but I think I know where to draw the line, and making sweeping generalisations about any race of people isn’t right.
‘All/most Cypriot women are ugly ha ha ha’ isn’t that far away from ‘all/most black men are stupid ha ha ha’ in my opinion.
The difference here is specification. If you say ‘that person is not attractive/intelligent’ it’s focussed on your perception of that person as an individual. You are saying one person out of the billions on the Earth is ugly in your opinion. However, to say it about an ethnic group (whether all or ‘most’) is negative racial stereotyping.
Personally, I’ve had enough racial abuse (physical, verbal and written) and ‘humour’ aimed at belittling my race to last a lifetime and I don’t mean just a few gags about kebabs and plate-smashing accompanied by a smiley.
No doubt to some of you I’m over-reacting, but put up with it for long enough and it becomes harder to tolerate, particularly when you don’t expect it. You wont understand if you haven’t had to tolerate it.
Of course it’s clear enough that my opinion doesn’t matter here, in the face of the majority who seem to think it is funny, excusable or acceptable. I am, after all, just the bloke that writes the stupid stories to give people a laugh. That’s not a dig at people for being friends and having rapport with each other, I thought I did okay on that score.
In any case, I wish you all the very best but I’m done with all this stuff. There’s no need to trouble yourselves with responses, I wont be looking and most of you don’t even know who I am anyway.
Paul Parker – Cheers for trying.
StatesideAussie – Have a safe journey home mate.
TonyBee – Bite his nob off.
Balaji – Grey Wardens FTW.
Good day Reds!
On this thread the word ‘smartalex’ has been said 16 times prior to this, my first comment.
This entitles me to post at least 1 comment regarding the sachu saga.
Thank you Scott the Red for attending to sachu/VoV’s vile and ceaseless smear campaign.
In the last week more than 100 comments have been submitted under my username, it has been very frustrating for me. This campaign has been going on for more than a year, and includes many virulent attacks from ‘first-time’ posters that appear from nowhere in groups that attack me and RoM, agree with ‘each other’, then disappear. I have been subjected to racist “monkey” taunts, amongst other silly but hurtful and inciting barbs.
I was unable to defend myself due to the fact that most of smartalex’s comments were being made by others posing as me. Nearly every thread over the festive season has been totally swamped by sachu and his ‘affiliates’ comments. This blight has resurfaced regularly on RoM, and remained ever-evident for the last 180 hours.
Gradually, a ground-swell of unhappy RoMmers addressed the issue. As more posters became unsatisfied and frustrated, they too expressed their dismay at sachu’s destruction of RoM. More and more the conversation became sachu’s obviously demented poisoning of the threads.
During this time, the only genuine poster to continually address sachu politely was MG.
Regular as clockwork MG looked for a conciliatory ending to the saga. He requested both
sachu and I to move on, despite me playing almost no role in it.
As time wore on, it became apparent to MG that this malaise would never end. RoM and us RoMmers would be the big loser. MG then requested sachu to cease his attacks. When sachu continued, MG warned him to stop. sachu continued unabated.
Eventually, after exhausting every reasonable avenue, MG launched his blitzkrieg. After 180 dreadful hours of horrific thread destruction, MG succeeded in 2 hours where everybody else had failed. sachu’s poison has been neutralized.
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MG – I thank you for your selfless protection of our home. You are as brave as Evra.
Do not believe for a moment that your actions have been anything other than heroic,
noble and respected. Return refreshed, that we may all once again be happy.
Paul Parker – Good day sir!
A reply to your comment addressed to “smartalex and everybody who reads it” on the Suarez-Report-Broken-Down thread has been submitted there by me.
Have a look please, if you are able, thanks.
Cyril Sneer
If my comment as it seems offended you than I give you my sincere apologies. If anyone had said to me that they found most Lebanese women to be ugly I would just laugh and would not put it into comparison with other remarks.
Anyway, once again I am really sorry pal.
Paul Parker
Out of respect to your excellent contributions to this blog (Last night excluded) and the fact that you are a proper Red I will take this no further. However I will no longer read your posts nor will I ever address you again as I am sure you will do the same.
Cheers
Paul Parker,
it is incorrect of you to say that I have ” threatened other posters with “exposure” or called them insulting names if they didn’t agree with my particular views.” This is a gross misrepresentation of events.
Much of the criticism of Sir Alex after the Blackburn game was fairly presented, but some comments contained disrespectful and contemptuous references to Fergie. After I threatened to rudely expose any further contemptuous comments, they ceased immediately, and did not re-appear.
This action taken by me was NOT about “my particular views”, it was effective protection of Sir Alex in a United forum. That vitriol rains down on me for my selfless act is not surprising, or effective in ending my support for our esteemed manager.
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Anyone listening,
Fair criticism of United and Sir Alex should occur on RoM but that does not excuse anyone from showing disrespect or contempt to Sir Alex. It’s not acceptable and will not be ignored or forgotten.
Love the man. Discuss him, but do not disrespect him. Has he not earned our respect?
@smartalex – check again, I didn’t say that you’re threatening to expose anybody – Niddo did, and I laughed to myself when he said it because I’ve seen you go at it loads of times. Your rants at other people on here may have pissed off others but I’ve never minded them, as even tho you bang on a hell of a lot and sometimes re-hash old arguments, you don’t actually say anything too offensive when you go after people so I couldn’t care less who you “expose” mate, they’ve probably asked for it anyway. I’ve left you a comment in the older thread, I apologised for not knowing sachu actually called you a monkey before I posted. Im not a racist and that comment obviously isn’t on.
@Cedars – feel free to ignore my comments, but don’t do so thinking im doing the same to you. As I said mate, I don’t care who leaves a post – if I agree with it I’ll say so, and that means if Cedars leaves a belting post about the Club I’ll still commend him for it. Last thing i’ll do is drag on something as minor as this. I have nothing personal against you whatsoever, it should go without saying I don’t think your racist or even an idiot, otherwise I wouldn’t be being so polite would I? I was just making a point that I believed in, and maybe I wasn’t very tactful but who gives a fuck as it was at least clear wasn’t it? Those comments were not on, and its a bit sad that Cyril Sneer has had to come on and explain WHY its not okay to slag off an entire nation. I asked you to apologise yesterday (not to me obviously) and if you did maybe Cyril would be calling you the bigger man for doing so instead of expressing his disappointment with you today. Lets just keep it civil around here aye? This is not a pub, or your living room, or even the terraces, its RoM, and different rules apply online because you NEVER KNOW whose reading. Its not a one-to-one convo once you press submit mate, responsibility comes with this technology pal.
@Cyril – kinda shit that a Cypriot like you had to hold his hand up before an apology came out aye? Top post mate as you made your point well – we’re all online broadcasting to the world so we should be more guarded with what we say. Offending all Cypriot women really isn’t too far off Goats posts, I agree there, which is why I said something in the first place. I do think there IS a place for saying offensive things, but its not on RoM ffs. We’ll rant about refs, other clubs, other players and mangers, even our own Club at times, but when the rants are non-football related and start offending WHOLE nationalities then you gotta ask where do we draw the line. Like you mate I think theres plenty of opportunity for banter between all of us without insulting races and backgrounds, unintentional or otherwise.
@Anybody who tried to mediate.
Cheers, I did notice a few saying they didn’t want to see me and Cedars argue but at least now you can see why I didn’t drop it. We all know if the comment was “all Indian women are ugly” there would be uproar on here, so why should it be okay that Cyprus is insulted? Because its a small Island and nobody on here is from Cyprus? Thats Scum in my book, insult you behind your back and smile in your face? Not my thing fellas. I didn’t even know Cyril was Cypriot but it shouldn’t matter if there are Cypriots on here or not, this is an open website and it reflects badly on us as United supporters to have a top site like RoM cause offence to people outside of football. Especially after this FA report. We should only be offending Bitters, Dippers, Rent Boys, the FA, Barca and so forth, not fucking nationalities and each others families. Theres no need for it on RoM imho.
Anyway, this little debate is already old news now its all out in the open. I hold no grudges with anybody, but thanks all the same for everybody who tried to defuse the situation. Consider it defused and forgotten as far as im concerned.
Paul Parker, as I replied to sachu before he was exposed by MG:
“I am not unhappy with any monkey-like characteristics that may have filtered through my
gene-pool, for the results are spectacular! I am tempted to rise to the racist bait, but also
know that those energies are currently reserved for Suarez and his backers.”
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Those who accidentally or obliviously supported sachu and voice of voiceless, are not complicit in the racism. Similarly, I fervently hope that once a full apology is received from Liverpool, we are able to move forward without INCORRECTLY labeling scousers as racist. Terrible harm is done to campaigns that seek to aid victims of racism, when the term ‘racist’ is reduced to an every-day slur.
Paul
Listen mate I don’t need a book like lecture. You asked me who said it was racist and I answered your question. I felt you were getting irate thats all. Lets end it here ,by all means reply but I don’t want to fall out with you over a difference of opinion. I don’t find many things offensive, it rolls of my back, maybe I’m thick skinned, laid back or just plain dumb to worry about anything. I misunderstood your ‘Grown Men’ comment thats all.
I didn’t tell MG to calm down because I agreed with him and said so until STR deleted my, and the other posts.
I may be no Cypriot, but they are as close as brothers for me. The Greek portion anyway. My 2 cents is that this whole thing is blown out of proportion. Cedars offered his observation going by his experience. If being politically correct is the order of the day, then yes, maybe he shouldn’t have called Cypriot women ugly. Or he shouldn’t have generalized. But this is nothing compared to the Suarez violation, so I don’t see where the hypocrisy comes from.
Anyway, I think people have to be more aware of what goes on around the world and how nationalities are perceived. Have you heard what’s being said about the Greeks the last 2 years regarding our economy? And we are talking about abuse that makes the term “ugly” seem non important. I’ve seen some tongue in cheek comments in here too. Did it bother me? Only a tad. Did I find that racist? Hell no. Countries are very often stuck with labels that may be unjust and borderline insulting. Fergie’s comment about the Italians and pasta anyone? Some dippers brought this up to call us hypocrites a few weeks ago. But my stance hasn’t changed. You may have a negative opinion about one nationality’s trait without being racist. JMO.
In closing, I only feel bad that Cyril felt insulted. Didn’t know that in a way we shared similar origins. Since Cedars apologised, I hope we can put it in the past.
Paul Parker – I have left you a reply in the older thread – Suarez-Report-Broken-Down.
It’s all Greek to me!
Sorry, I couldn’t resist, I shouldn’t generalize and label all Greek. Some Greek is actually Latin. My apologies to any Greek words that used to be Latin, and felt marginalized.
@smartalex
That phrase is racist too.
In all seriousness, I think you posted another good example of what I was trying to say.
Costas – That was exactly my intention. I was responding to your comment, and expected that you would recognise that my silliness had some relevance!
Off topic, but relevant to this thread.
Gary Dobson and David Norris found guilty of murdering Stephen Lawrence in 1993. He was murdered for being Black. No other reason. Thank God his family have some closure.
Cyril – If I caused you any hurt mate, I’m sorry. That was never my intention. I didn’t think Cedars comment was too out of order. I’m not you though. You have every right to feel annoyed at that comment. We’re not all the same, of course. Again, sorry pal. I hope you come on the back on the blog. You’re a very talented and funny person. Maybe we should check the wording we go with on here. I sometimes forget, that this blog is for everyone around the world. Not just us regulars. I do feel though, the RoM is a football/United blog and forum. Or maybe StR should be more strict on our posts. I don’t know. I know this place is a great avenue to meet and greet fellow United fans. That’s why I joined in the first place. I wanted to engage with my Red brothers. Anyway, I hope MG and yourself come back, because this blog needs your input. WRN, over and out. 19
There should be a full apology from Liverpool but sadly with KKKenny in charge l don’t see it happening. Things have progressed now to a stage where if they did a lot of tyheir own fans would be ready to storm the stadium in protest.
Whilst i do not wish to prolong this ‘debate’ too much, i feel it necessary to clarify my support of Cedars.
Had i bothered to read the relevant posts before i posted myself, i would have mentioned to Cedars how his comments could be deemed offensive.
I feel certain that Cedars, having had the opportunity to have looked at his remarks would see that they could be hurtful.
I also feel certain that he did not intend this to be.
I say that because of his clear record on this blog on matters relating to race etc. prior to this.
I understand and agree that those who have previously expressed vile race related opinions have been rightfully vilified on here, however, it is perhaps more than a little unfair to suggest that Cedars remarks are entirely in the same category.
Goat in a United Shirt for example was mentioned.
His remarks were numerous and accompanied by seriously nasty undertones over long periods that were seldom addressed by anyone until fairly recently.
By contrast, Cedars were light hearted, surely?
I am by no means attempting to say they were right or should not be flagged as inappropriate, but to seriously put them – and thus him – in the same category as Goat is not right either.
It’s one of the marks of a man when he can hold his hands up and say sorry.
His apology to Cyril seems to have done that.
I’m afraid that I’m not entirely up to speed regarding other issues that seem to have become major talking points re Sachu/smartalex, but that seems to be resolved now.
There have been some very eloquent posts here, hopefully we can all use this as a positive rather than dwell too long on things that now have been addressed.
Like to point out, Cedars was the first person to really stand up to the Goat. In a sense, Cedars showed this blog the Goat’s true colours. I don’t know Goat personally. Has he got racist undertones? I haven’t a clue. He likes pushing peoples buttons. I know that much. Is he a racist? I can’t make that call. Like to think no. You are, what you post on here. Maybe all that kind of discussion should be banned from RoM? Maybe Scott will take a more active role in the future.
Belatedly, thanks to all those of you who have commented on my efforts to to take some of the heat out of recent exchanges on RoM, which have risked damaging the ‘brand’, just when people may be peering in to see how United fans are responding to the Suarez disgrace.
Overall I have been extremely – and I mean extremely – saddened to see people I regard as friends attacking each other in such excessive terms. I am now totally confused about who is who on these threads, are the name-tags all false? How many posters are deliberately trying to sow dissent among us? I wish everyone would just stick to a name and leave it at that. Anyone pretending to be someone other than themselves is despicable beyond belief if in doing so they are trying to stir up discord.
I don’t want to get into the rights and wrongs of things that have been said, certainly not in specifics, but it really does behove us all to avoid stirring up ethnic antagonism. It’s not just a matter of common decency and humanity, it’s because in the dire state of the world economy (and the UK economy) there are likely to be increased conflicts along class and ethnic lines, and we all have a responsibility to avoid that.
There was a killing in Salford the other day (forgive me, I don’t have the poor man’s name to hand). He was a harmless young man here from India seeking an education, looking forward to seeing United at Old Trafford and he was brutally murdered in the street, possibly because of the colour of his skin or his nationality.
On the day when the Stephen Lawrence racist murder trial has ended with a guilty verdict we should all stand back from our petty disputes and think of the full implications of racism in action. It starts with seeing people of different backgrounds as ‘other’, ‘not like us’, all lumped together with no regard for individuality or character. Then silent contempt or feelings of superiority start to get expressed in words behind the hand, then more openly with closed fist, and then with weapons, knives, guns, baseball bats, and so the descent accelerates into racist hell.At each stage we need to look out for each other and stand in solidarity.
These are live issues in almost every country where football is played, and the good thing is the way increasing numbers of great players from Africa, Asia and South America have come into European clubs over my lifetime, creating heroes of every shade of skin colour and every ethnicity. This has undoubtedly done more than almost anything else in British society to educate formerly racist Brits into becoming ‘colour blind’, able to appreciate the skills and achievements of players from an enormous range of backgrounds.In United’s case think of how much pleasure we have got from players such as Andy Cole, Dwight Yorke, Ji-Sung Park, Rio Ferdinand, Ryan Giggs, Javier Hernandez and so on. Twenty years ago they might have been subjected to racial abuse all over the country, just as the player Paul Parker did at Old Trafford when playing for QPR, before he joined United.That’s a measure of how far we have come, and we really do not want to see things slide backwards, as seems to be the case with Liverpool supporters, whose beheviour would be laughable if it wasn’t so tragic.
These are very important issues, and I know I can get po-faced and perhaps over-earnest about them (politically correct, if you will) but please don’t get into quarrels with each other here just when we need to maintain a United front against racism, not just because it suits our partisan instincts to see Liverpool embarrassed, but because we mean it. Kick out racism, here and everywhere.
Hi everyone and happy new year. It seems that Suarez is in tonights squad for the city game. Does this mean they are going to appeal? As has been said so many times, such classless behaviour from Liverpool but did anyone really expect any different? Top article as always Scott and MG please dont go as I for one love your posts
Giles, You Sir without doubt are a gentleman and legend.
Great article Giles..
Cyril, apologies if I have insulted you. It was not meant to be anything other than commenting on females and attraction.
Its in my blood, Costas & Willie
Cheers fellas, if anything for understanding me and knowing what I am all about.
Sir Giles
If I am one of those you felt offended by then you have my sincere apologies. Nothing was ever said with ill intent. I probably should have been more careful it seems.
I’ve been waiting for CedarsDevil to comment, and I know he speaks the truth.
In the course of our fun, it is always possible to step on someone’s toes. we all know Cedarsdevil to be a good man, and anyone who was ever offended by his tomfoolery should know that mentioning their distress would immediately bring CedarsDevil’s apology, and genuine restitution.
Cedarsdevil, I won’t read your joke again because I’ll laugh out loud again, and feel bad immediately. It’s great that you are humble enough to accept responsibility for Cyril’s discomfort, however unintended it may be. We know you’re both big mates, so this event will only bring you closer.
Great point Smartalex, if anything Cedars has been the one on this blog who always went after anyone making outlandish statements.
Cedars has also brought another dimension to this blog by sometimes making it more personal and unified. Again, just my opinion, but the dude is very genuine, knowledgeable and fun to read!
Graciously put Cedars, but I wasn’t by any means singling you out for criticism. I know you’re a good-hearted person and mean no harm. Lots of unwise things were said by several different people, but I’m glad things are calming down. I suspect they are about to hot up again now Liverpool have decided not to appeal the verdict, but have put out a statement attacking the independent inquiry, supported by an emotional profession of innocence by Suarez.
I will make my peace with this issue once and for all then put it to bed for good…..
The whole thing started as a bit of fun banter between Costas and myself, as it turns out some felt offended by my comment on Cypriot women and to me that is a BIG no no. I have apologized and will move on.
Here is a better description of where I was coming from….
Some men like blondes, others prefer red heads perhaps. Some men are attracted to women from the Far East whilst others may prefer Latin women. Personally I do not find Cypriot women attractive at all and perhaps the use of the word ugly was and is wrong, perhaps the generalization was also wrong and more importantly the fact the I brought the whole thing up in also wrong.
smartalex
Thank you my friend, kind words as ever.
Sir Giles
Thanks for your response and thanks for knowing what I am all about. I will raise a drink to you tomorrow as we take 3 points.
united.george
Thanks to you too for the kind words my fellow son of the cedars
Cyril- Here was one case of an Italian singer who told us that we were mustache Mexican women, his career ended in Mexico. Well all this we learned and I think see our mistakes and accept them is valuable. ( after resulted that the Italian came out of the closet ha ha) Cedars is a great guy , just made a mistake. Sorry for my bad English.
soren
Thank you for the kind mention my love. Cyril is a fantastic guy and he knows very well how I feel about him as I am also sure he will accept my apology and move on.
Cedars is a great guy, but he never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
Can I just add one thing – nothing I said to Cedars was an accusation of racism. I don’t know Cedars from a can of paint, I could walk past him in the street and never know, so at no time yesterday did I accuse or imply he was a racist, or that he set out to cause offence, not even once. In fact Cedars promotes Cyril’s writing on here, and theres been times I’ve clicked on an ABUnati link just because Cedar’s mentioned theres a new one up.
So my point wasn’t to ask IS Cedars a racist, or DID he intend his words to be offensive? My point yesterday was simple, I just wanted to tell Cedars and company BEFORE CYRIL DID that what was said was indeed OUT OF ORDER and OFFENSIVE. End of story you would’ve thought but clearly not.
Me making a point to Cedars wasn’t because im a cunt, or holier than thou or having a go at anybody. I agree with Willierednut, it IS easy to forget its not just us regulars on here, and I include myself in that bracket. I’ve learned myself that certain things are best left unsaid on here, so I really wasn’t bashing posters yesterday who DIDN’T see the harm in what was said straight away. If anything I didn’t expect MANY to get my point straight away, but then after I saw Cyril’s first post today I’d be forgiven for thinking MY intentions last night would’ve become crystal fucking clear for everybody. Guess not…
More to the point – seeing as I am a blunt so and so – have you lot READ what the tactful Giles has added to this topic or what? Look at the belter he’s just left today. Doesn’t it resonate or something? We SHOULD be respecting each others backgrounds and nationalities on here because we are all here to support United, and more importantly its the decent fucking thing to do. Call me old fashioned but ain’t being “decent” cool any more or what?
Not preaching, but we’ve got to remember we’re online. There are LOADS of things I wouldn’t dream about saying on here but I would say to a couple of friends. Considering RoM has a global audience, I don’t have to slag off any race or nation to make a point about Anderson or CLLC or the FA or whoever, do I? Plus our Club has just made it very clear that we stand United against all forms of racism and abuse, so lets just be civil when it comes to non-United related stuff online aye? For the record im not trying to police the place or tell people what to say either – im just saying keep it civil lads, and keep it classy, because the world world is reading this shit. Oh, and while your at it, RE-READ what Cyril said this morning. It was very very well said .
Cedars- Si
@James21 – no intention of arguing mate, and I didn’t mean to write a book as you termed it. As I’ve already said elsewhere this is all forgotten and old news as far as im concerned. Unsurprisingly, like you I don’t take back anything I said either, so its just as well we can agree to disagree and move on.
@ Costas – Alright mate? I said hypocritical in the sense that we all know after the LFC issue that ignorance isn’t a defence against causing offence. If you offend somebody, its no good saying it was only a joke, it wasn’t serious, lighten up, blah blah blah – the right thing to do is apologise early and often. Lets say I didn’t know you were Greek for example, and I came online one day and said “ha ha ha every Greek bird is a little nympho ha ha ha” – As a red bloodied BLOKE im pretty sure insulting the mothers of your nation would offend you, right? Well, would it be any defence for me to say “but I didn’t know Costas was Greek!!” ? Of course it wouldn’t, because even if you wasn’t Greek it would STILL be an offensive stupid thing for me to say on a global site like RoM, wouldn’t it? Thats where I was coming from last night mate, so no, I don’t think Cedars hoped out the KOP end and called Evra a negrito or anything. I just wanted him to apologise for possible offensive, and if he had done Cyril might have felt differently this morning huh? At least too much damage hasn’t been caused between the two of them.
@Willierednut – spot on.
@Smartalex – left you a post on the older thread a while ago, and I have nothing to add to it. At the risk of sounding offensive no sod on here can convince me something is right when I know its wrong. The post probably comes across as harsh, but I’d rather be blunt with you than misunderstood. We clearly agree to disagree on much of this sachu/MG stuff, but since we can agree the whole thing is now dead and buried lets just stick to what we’ve always agreed on, which is Manchester United.
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I don’t have ages to write on RoM so its been a pain in the arse writing all this crap without ONCE talking about the SQUAD. The Club is the main reason im on RoM so while I’ll still call a spade a spade I am mos def done with this bullshit. We’ve had a retraction and an apology, (which was all that was needed at the end of the day), so thats the main thing I guess. Im sure Cyril feels vindicated, and we’ve all made our points haven’t we? Brilliant. FIN.
MG- Hola!!!!
You owe me a coffee, hope you come back soon. Take care my friend.
and !!!Viva MG!!!
Willie
You know I love you, but truth be told I love soren a bit more! hahaha
@Paul Parker
Hi mate. Here’s where I have to disagree though. I don’t believe Cedars ever intended to say what he did believing that there are no Cypriots here. In fact, he said it to me knowing that as a Greek I am pretty close with Cypriots. So imo one can hold it against him that he used the word “ugly” or that he generalised, but his intention wasn’t to discriminate against a small country because no one might represent it here. It was in the spirit of one of those convos that even I as a guy have had multiple times. “Are X country’s women prettier than Y’s”, “We Greeks are fatter as a nation than the English”, etc etc.
Speaking of your example, I honestly don’t know if you would offend me or not. Maybe my criteria is different than Cyril or yoursef’s. It also could depend on how you worded it. But most of the time, it’s other stuff that offends me. I realize that people can often speak negatively about a certain nation because they don’t have all the facts or because of misconceptions. Maybe that’s ignorance, but it’s less malicious than targeting that nation with vitriol and on purpose.
Anyway, Cedars vhas been very sensitive about the issue of racism in the past, so it’s obvious to me that it was a misunderstanding. Like you said, I hope the rift between the two gets fixed soon We’ve seen a couple of them over here in the past few days and that has led to a couple of departures and it’s something I hate to see. We are not even fighting about United matters for crying out loud!
Are you guys talking about me again?
Costas
Wise and composed as you have always been….. Great post
@Cedars
Thanks mate. Hopefully this whole matter can be put to bed and we can focus on the business at hand. By the way, you should know that MG will be back one sunny day. That’s what a little birdy told me…
In that case send over my best wishes to your birdie and tell her that I for one will miss MG here
Costas – Next time you’re talking with MG again, tell him I wasn’t taking Paul’s side yesterday. I only tried to defuse the situation, between Paul and MG. I hope he didn’t take it that way. I didn’t wish to see two highly respected lads, arguing over a sad cunt like sachu. Pass my message onto him mate and tell him to get his ass back on the RoM asap lol.
@willie
From what I can tell, MG also has a couple of projects going on in his life and he was going to take some sort of break anyway. But just so you know, I didn’t get the impression that he was upset with you in any way. I also tried to calm him down about the whole thing and he has no problem with that. It’s not MG’s style to blame someone if they don’t take his side.
@Costas – fair enough with your probable reaction, and your right we all respond to things differently. As for Cedars, as I’ve said pal wasn’t talking about his intentions at all, I just foresaw somebody becoming offended by his off-hand comment to you. Maybe I didn’t use tact but I was asking him to acknowledge that he could’ve caused offence. If I made the same innocent comment and a (apparent) complete stranger like Niddo popped up to address me, I’d see my error and apologise straight away. I don’t think any worse of Cedars over night, I was just telling him something I thought he should be told after it was brought to my attention, and its a highly relevant topic. I noted Willierednut saying Cedars addressed the nonsense Goat was coming out with. I actually remember sitting back and watching that, happy to see others address him. If Cedars was watching he’ll tell you I’ve addressed Goat for things he said myself. Bottom line I wasn’t talking about “Intentions” as I really doubt he meant malice, I was addressing the potentially offensive “Perception” his comment could give, and they did.
Its a subtle difference, and yeah I was too uncouth to highlight it but theres still a distinction to be made. The “Perception” RoM gives off at a time like this is important, and besides mate, since we’re all such benign beings a request by more than one blogger for a touch more civility shouldn’t be a problem for some clean-cut gents like ourselves should it?!
And I agree, we should all get back to United related matters.
City got their 3pts now we’re up. Huge game tomorrow.
@Costas – and if you speak to MG pls remind him im not the one who called smartalex a monkey, and I didn’t know anybody on here had been called a monkey when I first addressed him. He’s been on here long enough to know what my reaction would’ve been had I stumbled across said post calling said person a red monkey.
@Paul Parker
Yeah I fully agree that perception matters. Because quite often someone new might show up here and they’ll be unaware of the nature of the banter that goes on in here. Plus, this is a period where racism is at the forefront and people are more on edge about some stuff. Same thing happened last year after the Andy Gray debacle when we started debating over here whether some of our comments were borderline sexist.
As for MG, I think he’s aware that you didn’t insult smartalex like that. He knows you’re above that. The impression I got is that each of you tried to stand their own ground and that’s why it got out of hand. But when it comes down to it, you were both actually on the same side. That’s why I am hoping that it will be forgotten once he’s back. We are all on the same team here and I am not talking about Man United.