Manchester City are due to play in their first semi-final for 28 years this month, under the guidance of new manager Roberto Mancini.
The population of Manchester is 460,000. City fans say all “proper Mancs” are blue. So why couldn’t they sell all their tickets for the biggest game they’ve played in for almost three decades?
The official City website has put more tickets on sale yesterday, offering “Seasoncard” and “Citycard” (membership) holders the opportunity to purchase an additional two tickets each.
Tickets went on sale to season ticket holders during the first week of December, then to Citycard holders on December 22nd. Then on December 31st, almost four weeks after the tickets became available, there were tickets left, despite the game being less than a week away.
The council owned stadium seats 47,000, with a chunk of those seats filled by reds after taking up our full allocation as usual (I was one of the many unsuccessful fans turned down for a ticket). If City are such a massive club, with great fans, then why are there still tickets available a month after they went on sale? I don’t understand, it just doesn’t match up with the claim City fans make which is perpetuated by the media.
I know that United have a lot of fans outside of Manchester, but I don’t understand why that makes people think there aren’t a lot of United fans inside Manchester. As if all Mancunians shunned United to support City and this tradition has continued for decades, despite the fact we’ve had higher attendances than them for decades (long before Munich). It doesn’t make sense. Liverpool FC has a lot of fans outside Liverpool, yet Evertonians aren’t deluded enough to spread a lie that everyone from Merseyside is blue, so why do our bitter neighbours do it? I just don’t get it. If they live in Manchester, they will know loads of reds, whether they drink with them, work with them or for them, are married to them, or are related to them. So why the lies? And why can’t they sell their tickets for their biggest game in 28 years?
Tickets are still available for the Old Trafford leg which will take place in three weeks time but have already sold well over City’s ground capacity. Given that 74,000 attended our League Cup semi-final against Derby last season, I can’t imagine we’ll still be trying to flog tickets two days before kick-off like City were.
For all City’s criticisms of us, where we are is what they’re aspiring to. That is why they went to Thailand opening club shops and trying to generate interest there (it failed) and why they will continue to do pre-season tours abroad. They want to win trophies, they want success, and a massive global fanbase comes with that. I assume they just don’t get the hypocrisy of it all…
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edit 1. Ooops. Looks like we’ve upset them. Three whole pages and counting of them claiming they don’t care what United fans think about their inability to sell out. Hmmm.
edit 2. January 11th 2010, over three weeks after going on sale, City haven’t sold out their away allocation!
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damn it. maybe can consider downsizing é stadium seats. it’s fucking snowing over there isnt it?! man, è bitters muz be feeling empty & cold inside é stadium, well….juz like è trophy room i guess (not sure though do they have one? is it complusary to have one?!?!).
Listen to 606 after a citeh win. All the Bluenoses call in saying shit like “ohhh I’ve been a City supporter since I was a lad this is brilliant we have the best fans in the Prem, not an empty seat to be had.”
They really are deluded, the fucking lot of them.
funny, I thought the calibre and appeal of the opposition was a big factor in deciding whether home fans flocked to a cup tie…? Could it be that Munited aren’t enough of a draw to attract us?
Stop being so fucking obtuse about the general sale of the tickets; if you hadn’t won anything for 30 years I bet the swamp would be half empty! You only have to look at the two posters above to see that a lot of your fan base is not based in Manchester, understandably because you’ve won shit loads over the last decade or so. You should be enjoying the renewed rivalry between the two clubs of Manchester – I know you’ve enjoyed some pretty fierce rivalry with Leeds and The Bin-Dippers but believe me the Manchester Derby will become one of the biggest games in the World over the next 5 years.
oh fucking hell come on people, who wants to buy a fucking ticket to watch their multi million pound flops get slaughtered by a red tide. Lucky fuckers have got a postponment as well, I was really looking forward to a bloodbath.
20legend, that is spot on. Pathetic bunch.
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That guys name is weird And he changes it everyday
(sorry if i hurt your feelings!)
not you fred the guy ontop of you!
They’re full of shit! They have to bring the prices down to a fiver to try and fill the place. They could offer the rest of the tickets to us but doubt they’d fancy two away games!
Deadred – 1. Any City fan would be happy to admit that United is their biggest game on the calendar. When we’re not in a cup final, it’s one of our biggest too. Everyone loves derby day. 2. It’s a cup semi-final, your first for nearly 3 decades. If you were playing Accrington Stanley it should be expected you would sell all your tickets. The fact that the semi is against your biggest rivals and the Champions only adds to it.
Christ, you made a twat out of yourself with that comment lol.
deadred you could be right, you little cunt. But your obsession with “the Munichs” suggests otherwise.
Scott the Red, you’re right. This bitter cunt obviously has very high standards doesn’t he? A semifinal derby with United isn’t exciting enough for them? Fucking Hell! I wonder which opposition sides do appeal to him though, because I can’t remember ever seeing Wastelands full except for those unappealing derbys with little old United! Strange that…
excuse me but I was told only yesterday by a red that they hadn’t sold their allocation either.
Robhin-oh-no Said, maybe you’d like to explain why United attracted the biggest crowds even when they were in the old 2nd Division! You sad Shameless-twats never paid to watch your shit when there were no Arabs and now you’re bank-rolled by the desert dwellers you still can’t be arsed to get out of your benefits-provided armchair!! Fuck off you inbred twat
deadred you tit!! League Cup Semi Final 2009……United had the HUGE draw of Derby County and we still managed 73,374. Robin ho no – 1970 when we weren’t quite as successful as we are now (but granted, probably not quite as shit as city!!), we still managed to attract over 63,000 (Not quite half empty) to a league cup semi final so don’t be flaunting city’s lack of success as a reason to justify turning your back on your team!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1240759/Laurent-Blanc-denies-set-replace-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-Manchester-United-manager.html
whats with all the city twats this week?
Propmanc – So your point is what???
grow a brain between you and fuck off back to “stocky”.
You’re just not the big draw you once were Scott
. All of our biggest attendances at the hilariously titled council house (you reds, eh?) have been against Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. Mind you, the quite frankly astonishing 96 (ninety six) seats available are spread all over the 2nd tier, with no two seats located together.
That said, seats for the 2nd leg are widely available apparently…
@Propmanc
What does that topic have to do with the fact that this title says that your fans are afraid of us?
Robhin-oh-no
the comment you made about united not being successful made you look like a natural deluded bitter. Goodness me as King Eric once mentioned the bitters are the new dippers!
You know it’s pathetic of shitty fans coming on here saying united is’nt in Manchester just to feel better about your sorry deluded selves! you always try to pin something on United and that’s the only thing you do which is irrelevant cos it does’nt change the way we feel about UNITED! anyway answer this how many fans do shitty have apart from manchester? oh i guess you don’t have even 1 million fans. so you deluded lot can go about how united is’nt in manchester if really does’nt concern us cos we’ll always be United and playing the football you lot can only dream of and picking up trophies.
Scott the Blue – have we sold over 47,000 tickets to the second leg? Yes we have. If Manchester is blue, why has it taken you a month to sell 40,000 tickets and still failed? Could it be that you bitter lot talk bullshit? Any blue who actually does live in Manchester knows that “Manchester is blue” talk is a lie. All of you have a boss/mate/colleague/girlfriend/cousin etc. who supports United. Or maybe you don’t know it’s a lie and you actually are that deluded…? Just because we have lots of fans OUTSIDE of Manchester doesn’t mean we don’t have a lot of fans INSIDE Manchester. It’s not a difficult concept and if you’re from Manchester yourself, you know I’m right.
19,000 seats left for the Old Trafford leg and not selling quickly. £84′s a lot of money for people to find just after Xmas for two games when you’re not on a London Salary.
Scott the blue(Wtf?)
Last year The full capacity in the City of manchester stadium Was at united….I remember Ironically cheering that day from your PA saying “Ladies and gentlemen Thank you For having A full capacity Stadium”.
Clearly we are still your main contenders
As for your last quote.
You cant compare 45K to 75k can you?
Truth is City haven’t averaged an attendance over 47,000 in 60 years:
http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/cityvunited.JPG
In fact the gap between United and City in terms of attendances has grown substantially in that time.
Small club, small minds
@Macheda is GOD
hey mate i also read that like an hour or so. what do you think about blanc? i would’nt mind having him as a number 2 as he’s done a fantastic job at bordeaux. maybe he can replace fergie although that might be a step too far. i mean he knows united so there’s nothing wrong with him replacing fergie.
i mean guys it puzzles me honestly when some fans come here and say we need ronaldo and that we’re not good enough to win anything this season. i mean i understand we’re going through a transitional phase after ronnie’s departure but we still have a fantastic squad filled with world class players and fantastic squad players. it’s just a matter of this season being a season where we’ve had a bad day too many. if we can start games coming out of the blocks and attacking i think that we can instill the fear factor in many teams who come to Old Trafford, small or big league or europe we’ll be a dominant force because you might think i’m saying things through red tinted glasses but vintage united can take some stopping from any team in world football. we’re the BEST counter attacking team in the world when on form!
I’m not wasting any more time on this now but we don’t claim to be the biggest club in the world (registered trade mark.) We’ve been shit for 30 odd years yet we’ve still pulled in good crowds. Tough times at the moment so forking out 40 notes is taking its toll. Both clubs struggling to sell out, United moreso by the sounds of things which is especially odd seeing as the potential trophies are being whittled down and as you say Manchester is red (and Singapore by the looks of things.) Have a great evening counting seats.
They must have released extra because of the huge draw we still are! Bitter, thats rich….bitter fuckers tend to go onto opposing team blogs because they can not get over the preoccupation with superior neighbours. Get over us Bertie, we know you want to be a red, but you’ve made your bed.
The fact is that there are currently about 300 spare seats. Most of these are single seats which are returns. The game will be a sellout.
As with all games some people will be unable to turn up on the night.
The probable number of empty seats in the end will approximately match the number of Utd fans who dare to turn up at Eastlands wearing their colours – ie very few.
macheda is god (wtf?)
Not sure why the prospect of somebody being called Scott who supports City is so strange to you…
Anyhow, the biggest attendance last season macheda, was against Chelsea. Prior to that, it was Liverpool. The stadium record attendance was for a match against Chelsea.
By the way, I’m not for a moment going to pretend that 75k compares to 47k – you’re the bigger and more successful club by a country mile. I’d be on a hiding to nothing to suggest anything but. However, Scott the Red has written an article about liddle old Ciddy, and in doing so has invited comments and debate. I’ve put forward my opinion, which in truth is no more “correct” than yours, but it’s my opinion nonetheless.
Thanks,
Scott the Blue
How massive city are and how well they are followed can be seen by the difference in the crowd response the 2 teams got when they had their pre season tours in the summer.
Dont know what to make of it but there are 2 stats, one dosent make much of a difference as united and city have both more than 95% of their seast full.united are 2nd and city are 6th.Arsenal lead the list
http://itv.stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/attend.html
The other fact is United have the highest average attendance in Europe.These stats are of last season
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Average_attendances_of_European_football_clubs
Scott the Blue – nothing to say on the “Manchester is blue” lie told by your fans, no?
JMC – So are you saying that Manchester United fans will be afraid to turn up to Wastelands, or to turn up wearing red? If so, where do you get your analysis from? I’m intrigued?
It’s probably useful to register that tickets for our home leg AREN’T ON GENERAL SALE This means that to buy a ticket, Accesscard holders will have to invest a further £30 for Citycard 09/10 membership, in addition to the £40 price of a ticket, which coming this soon after Christmas is a substantial outlay.
Tickets for the Old Trafford Leg are on General Sale. To the general public. Without United memberships. And still haven’t sold out.
Hope this helps.
As i am not a utd fan myself i do not know the answer. Why do you say “afraid” ?
My “analysis” is from going to most derby matches at both clubs grounds since the mid 1970′s.
Wasn’t always the case – United used to turn up in colours but in recent years it’s just something that has been noticeable.
Is this the best you can do?
Have a go at our attendances?
It’s laughable.
Manchester is split down the middle between Blue and red. You just get more out of towners due to your recent successes. This is inevitable.
We have a bright future ahead of us, nobody can deny this is very possible.
We’ll reconvene in a few years and see where we are.
You’re not too far ahead of us in the league at the minute. You have lost more matches than we have this season, we are defending better now, turning our usual leaky defence into a more solid unit.
Things are slowly but surely swinging our way. I expect great things in the next few years.
BitterBlue – I do hate to embarrass you, but…
http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Tickets-and-Travel/2010/January/Change-in-Accesscard-points-criteria-for-home-semi
“Any unsold tickets for the game will NOT go on general sale.”
Hope this helps explain why the tickets aren’t on general sale.
Sorry Scott the blue,Thought you were imitating Our Scott
And on your comment This Totally Says that Manchester Is truly RED
JMC – Sorry….I meant “Dare” not “afraid”….but in that case, why would we “Dare” to turn up? What would happen if we “Dared” to turn up, a little confusing. Anyway, a little disappointed that such a statement should have such a lacklustre explanation. I think it’s just a fashion thing. The older generation don’t tend to wear colours home or away these days. When I was younger I would wear a top and scalf, now its just the obligatory pin badge. I think United’s away support is a bit older and hence the lack of colours! That and the shirt prices…..don’t think it’s anything that they dare not do…..
Harbouring a keen interest in finance and economics, I happened across this blog entry by the BBC’s Chief Economics Editor Robert Peston:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2010/01/can_man_utd_spend.html
United’s, er, unfortunate defeat in the Third Round of the FA Cup to a side of somewhat lowly standing in the Football League would seem to make the revenue from those 19,000 stayaways in the second leg of the semi-final all the more important.
SaleBlue
The future we will see, for now you are nowhere near United. Its just the new manager effect. Let the weeks go by and things will turn sour again and city will be in the hunt for a new manager.
remember a few city fans being cocky before the season started and when Hughes lead you to 5 wins in the first 6 games and you signed great players like Tevez, Adebawhore and all the other money grabbing cunts. What happened then, 8 draws and your manager is given the boot. The same thing will happen with mancini
Scott, unfortunately the ravening hoards have been unable to purchase their tickets due to adverse weather conditions!
http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Club-news/2010/January/Weather-hits-Box-Office-and-shop
A few factual inaccuracies I would like to point out. Firstly, at no point have any tickets gone to general sale. This is to stop your lot getting their grubby mitts on them. Secondly, your club (which might I add needs all the money it can get for the interest repayments) did not let us charge the price we wanted to and to put it in line with the Arsenal game (£25). It has to be said that £40 is a lot to shell out so soon after Christmas. That said, I will be there and am really looking forward to city stuffing you on the way to wembley.
Stick to filling your own stadium before you criticise us.
BitterBlue – you do now understand why your tickets aren’t on general sale, right? You just didn’t respond to that so I’m just checking.
The important fact you bitters are missing out on is that there are TWO WEEKS between these two fixtures.
2 days before kick off, you still have tickets to sell. If 2 days before kick off for the Old Trafford leg we have tickets to sell, I’ll be very surprised. 74,000 came to watch the League Cup semi-final against Derby last season so we’ll at least match that again for this match. And we won’t have to practically give the tickets away for a fiver to do so!
Looking at your bbc blog Bitter, they seem to brush over the fact that fresher players before CL matches would strengthen the possibility of more bums on seats in the following CL rounds. An away leg to Spurs (who have given our second string a game in the past) versus 5 more ties in the more profitable Champions League…. you do the maths?
Scott,
reading your initial reply again, I reiterate – accesscard holders will have to purchase Citycard memberships, at a further cost of £30, in order to purchase tickets to the game. Club sources tell me that tickets will not be going on general sale in order to preclude Manchester United fans from buying tickets for areas in the ground allocated to home fans.
I don’t know how many City supporters have only Accesscards, but I imagine there are quite a few. As a Manchester United supporter, I’m sure you can appreciate the financial burden of expensive match tickets on a traditionally working class inner city fanbase.
Scott the Red….you really do seem to have rattled a few cages with this one. Surely your Arabs must realise this Citycard dilema and subsidise the cost for all those blues batting down the doors for tickets.
Dear Scott,
apologies for the apparent lack of reply. I hope that my answers have been comprehensive and perhaps gone some way to explaining the egregious lack of take-up for tickets to the semi-final first leg. I hope you enjoyed Robert Peston’s insightful and thought-provoking article on the financial imperatives of cup competition to a debt-laden footballing monolith!
And congratulations on your marvellous fanbase!
BitterBlue – Of course I can appreciate it, I’m not made of money, but there’s no way I would miss a derby day in the cup, at any stage, let alone the semi-final.
Your stadium only seats 47,000. With season ticket holders, members and accesscard holders, do you not have 47,000+? I realise memberships and whatever cost money, I guess I’m just surprised that you don’t have enough season ticket holders or members to fill a ground… without others needing to fork out £30 in January to sign up. Your lot prattle on about being the best fans in the country… but then don’t even show up to your first cup semi in nearly 30 years! It’s astonishing, particularly for a club who has a city FULL of supporters, right?
If 74,000 of our fans bought tickets to watch Derby in the League Cup semi last season, at least the same again will buy for City in the League Cup semi this season.
SaleBlue Said,
January 5th, 2010 @18:39
Manchester is split down the middle between Blue and red. You just get more out of towners due to your recent successes. This is inevitable.
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Holy shit, a sensible City fan!
Fred – Sale blue is probably including Stockport/Bramhall in his assessment. If he’s from Sale, pretty much everyone he knows will be red.
mk12
Explanation accepted.
Please realise that I never mentioned afraid, dare or inferred any similar words.
Citeh just tell lies all the time, that is nowt new.
Fucking Darren Gough and Durham on talkshite tonight were saying “well the game should still go on because all United fans come from Surrey”. Hilarious. Get your fucking facts straight you abu cunts. Citeh still can’t sell tickets when they let kids in free and adults for a quid. Even advertise on local radio. Small club, small mentality, no history and fuck all trophies. Jokers of the highest order.
King eric
Most of what you sat doesn’t warrant any sort of comment.
But what is this “no history” that you mention?
JMC – No worries, however, your comment read…… “The probable number of empty seats in the end will approximately match the number of Utd fans who dare to turn up at Eastlands wearing their colours – ie very few.” I’ll be there, colourless, but supporting the boys all the same.
As an Arsenal fan for years I felt it was my duty to hate you guys, but these days I can only wish you the best. If we dont win the title then I hope you guys get it.
For gods sake dont let city win the Carling Cup or get 4th spot.
It’s us against the super rich shitty wanna be clubs.
Up the reds.
aig alex is god, you are miles ahead in past trophies. Let’s not talk the past.
This season you have lost more games than you have in living memory in just half a season. Our results have improved (bit more work to be done still I must admit) giving us a better placing than usual.
The league is wide open for us to get in the top 4 as the usual top four are struggling to pull away as they usually do. There are more teams equipped to challenge for these places, and I for am pleased to see us being one of them.
We are slowly improving, this can’t be denied. Your lot and the others aren’t up to their usual standard, so all is good as far as I am concerned.
Our manager for once wasn’t sacked because we were threatened with relegation. Our Owners have higher standards than previous regimes, and I like it to be honest.
Onwards and upwards…
Bitter Blue, I found Peston’s article riveting. It’s obviously the kind of tripe ABUs like you jizz your pants reading. Considering his article is about clubs in debt with very little money to spend on players, I was surprised there was no mention of Peston’s beloved Arsenal FC anywhere. Odd.
Dear Scott,
Perhaps from the lofty heights of Old Trafford’s North stand you can’t quite see the depths which our humble club has plumbed! I’d say the feeble 47, 934 tickets sold thus far is rather an achievement, given our relative lack of success over the years. Despite this Manchester City’s average attendance – and at this point I think it’s only fair to give honourable mention to the fans of Leeds United, who flock to Elland Road in similar numbers! – in the third tier of English football was 29,000. One wonders how many supporters Manchester United would attract in that particular division.
In any case 96 tickets is hardly insurmountable. In my experience, with so few isolated tickets left at this stage, by matchday the game would be sold out. Perhaps mcfc.co.uk should think again about its policy of transparency concerning the display of the number of tickets on sale.
Mikekelly12, many of us are lobbying our esteemed owners in support of such a scheme!
Scott the Red – apologies. You’re right in that I didn’t bring up the “Manchester is Blue/Red”. However, it was more out of boredom than denial that I didn’t respond!
Again, to claim “Manchester is Blue” and “All Reds are from Singapore” would be incorrect and would leave me open to abuse. My choice of team has brought me enough abuse without perpetuating myths – albeit, probably the only way a Blue has been able to wind up a Red for many years. Some bite – some don’t. I think SaleBlue summed it up best when he stated that Manchester is fairly well split between Blues & Reds, and that your success has attracted the out-of-towners.
I am from Manchester, I have a season ticket at Eastlands and have followed City through thin, thinner and thinest. I’d love nothing more to see my club emulate the success achieved across town. I’ll hopefully enjoy seeing them win a trophy soon, I’ll hate sharing it with a load of johnny-come-latelys that will invariably appear if we do, and I hope never to have to stoop so low as find myself on a forum calling supporters of rival clubs “bitter f*ckers” if we do taste some success.
Mikekelly12 – United are a great club and you’ve been fortunate to have one of the greatest managers of recent times to bring you the success that you have. I’m fortunate to have the pleasure of calling some United supporters “good mates”, but I fear that you really need to find some balance and get to know a few Blues if you’re to lose that aggressive streak. It’s a bloody game for Christ’s sake! God only knows how wound up you’re going to get if we actually start winning things.
Oh, and by the way Mikekelly, I posted on this site as it appeared on Newsnow.co.uk/manchestercity – a football website that provides links featuring Man City. I don’t habitually visit rival club sites, and I rarely post even if I do. However, as Scott allows his blog to feature on newsnow.co.uk and allows people to post their opinions on it, I felt it worthy of a response. I don’t feel that this makes me a) bitter or b) obsessed, but if you feel otherwise – and can post without spitting abuse – please feel free to offer up a valid argument.
Many Thanks,
Scott the Blue
ok mk
and i will be at both – scarf on – probably the one courtesy of your clubs generosity season before last
@Scott the Red
“Fred – Sale blue is probably including Stockport/Bramhall in his assessment. If he’s from Sale, pretty much everyone he knows will be red.”
Heh heh. I agree that there are more United fans in Manchester. I was just amazed that he even conceded we had ANY fans here, considering the usual lie they like to perpetuate.
The council house, the council house, is never full, is never full…..
Don Corleone,
Indeed, Robert Peston’s article shows us the pitfalls for all Premier League clubs. The fabulous wealth of my club, Manchester City, could disappear in an instant should the benevolence of the club’s backers come to an end. Prudence, in this inclement economic climate, is a virtue!
Here we go. The usual hysteria coming from ‘the red half of this website’ (that’s a joke, so don’t throw toys out of pram). It’s pretty obvious that you lot have a bigger fan base than we have. You’ve won shedloads, we’ve won bugger all in the past 30 years. You have done a superb global marketing job – initially surfing on a wave of sympathy in the wake of a tragedy admittedly. However the balance of power, slowly but surely, is changing. In a few years you will be overwhelmed by the debts run up by your American chums and successes will be fewer, possibly non-existent. Your Cockney, Dublin and all points west fan base will shrivel and you will be back to your Greater Manchester core support – you’ll probably be a nicer club for it.
On the other hand City, fueled by a rich and determined man can only get better and, believe me, success will follow as night follows day. I’d like to think we handle whatever success comes our way with a little more humility.
God, you lot are so easy to wind up – what’s the point of going ‘Na-na-na-na-na; we can sell out you can’t, yah boo’? When it comes to this 2-legger you want to put the noisy neighbours back in their box; we want to see your obnoxious purple faced ranting manager choke on his Wrigleys. Why not just leave it at that?
Scott the Blue – I appologise if I happen to have offended you, however I don’t know how I managed that. I have several City fans, I was best man for one and my sense of balance is fine. All friendly banter.
Bitter blue – You seem to forget that United fans have been through baron years also, and we have followed them through equally dark periods. 74-75 season, thankfully we only dropped down one divison but our support was still good with over 48,000 average, higher than all but one of the previous 4 seasons.
I am a blue, only looked in cos of the link on News Now. I don’t look at United sites, but have noticed that some have allowed the link via news now so clearly after some conflicting views to spice up the blogs – which is fair enough.
I grew up in Manchester and through a family misfortune became a city fan !! Thought about becoming a red, but once it’s in your blood you can’t change. And yes the split around me was 40% MC 40% MU and 20% split between the others in the area and of course the ones who follow Liverpool etc.
I now live in Birmingham so will not be going to the game through work commitments and the fact the game is on the BBC. Also it being £40 a ticket at least and then the travel makes it about the same in petrol al just after an expensive Christmas at a worrying time of financial life adds up to me staying in and watching both games on the box.
When we were in the third division we got massive gates for that division and of course the highest gate ever was at Maine Road.
We are the council house ! You lot are funny – it doesn’t cost us millions in interest every year. So the council got a stadium – worth not a lot and then the ticket price on everything over 45000 (other figures have been quoted not sure which is true) but it doesn’t add up to the millions you pay in interest each and every year – what was it this year £80m. We started with a 999 year lease which they cannot take back on the terms we did the deal. Banks can foreclose though………
One final thought though who ever you support people are people not bastards, wankers, idiots, inbreds or whatever other words come out on these blogs. The people who use such terms are really only evidencing that they are what they suggest others are.
I’d hope that if it ever got that bad for the Glazers, then a billionnaire backer would clear our debt and provide us with an open cheque book. Surely this is within the realms of reality. Where would this put us inline with City’s progress?
bchilds Said,January 5th, 2010 @19:38 The council house, the council house, is never full, is never full…..
…and just as ‘macheda is god’ is telling us about his “ironic applause” at the announcement of a full house at last years Derby, along comes bchilds with his remarkably inaccurate ditty..
Off topic – It appears that Mike Phelan is 3/1 fav to take over at Burnley once Coyle leaves…..Hyperthetical right now, but who will step in? Ole? Or an audatious bid for Larry White?
mikekelly12 Said,January 5th, 2010 @19:50 Scott the Blue – …..I have several City fans, I was best man for one and my sense of balance is fine. All friendly banter….
Mike – Apology accepted (the “bitter” tag rankles as much as the “cockney red” jibes).
By the way, if – as you state above – you “have” several City fans, can we have them back please? We’ve got a stadium to fill!
Cheers,
Scott
Again, I commend you on your marvellous support, sir!
Other than winning things, I’m not sure there’s a ‘magic formula’ to explain why one club’s fanbase is larger than another’s. The relative attendances of the two clubs, prior to the 1960s, to my knowledge, fluctuated depending on which club was more successful and in any case most football spectators in Manchester before the 1960s would watch City one week and United the other.
Gary James’ marvellous book, ‘Manchester: A Football History’ gives a comprehensive account, albeit written by a Blue, of the footballing proclivities of Mancunian fans from the popularisation of the game in the late Ninteenth Century to the present day.
In my opinion, if there was such a ‘magic formula’ that accounts for United’s success other than a smattering of titles and a European Cup, it’s probably that Europe’s largest industrial estate was on United’s doorstep and the legacy of the Munich Air Disaster .
Spot the Blue: I think the song goes on to say unless you are playing United!
Bitter Blue – your knowledge is wrong I’m afraid.
http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/attneng.htm
With statistics going back to 1946, we’ve always had larger average attendances than you. Every single year. Regardless of who was the more successful.
You can babble away about glory supporters and the trophies dragging the fans in… or maybe our club is just better supported than yours, and always has been.
jmc – Please enlighten me then with your history. The post I made may have appeared a bit strange. I didn’t have time to read all the comments at the time and my post came midway between an argument.
Gooner – Nice one mate.
Why couldn’t United sell all of their tickets against dirty Leeds? I’m not talking about the odd seat, either. There was patches of empty seats around the tunnel.
I’ll assume it’s a result of our ticket pricing being tantamount to highway robbery.
mikekelly12 Said,January 5th, 2010 @20:03 Off topic – It appears that Mike Phelan is 3/1 fav to take over at Burnley once Coyle leaves…..Hyperthetical right now, but who will step in? Ole? Or an audatious bid for Larry White?
HYPERthetically
Who gives a phuk
Alphie Izzet
I’m fucking annoyed with this weather, I was well pleased when i won the ballot for city away tickets – i could barely sleep last night because of the excitement…….the 19th seems so far away
I know the weather is bad up here in the North BUT to call it off 28 hours before. Couldn’t they wait till say ten in the morning? I have never known a game especially a derby called off this early.
Alphie Izzet “who gives a fuck”? I would imagine most United fans .
Saleblue
We have lost more games.Ok. Who is ahead in the table? and that too playing a month without any defence
By past i mean the last 3 seasons, not something that happened 34 years back. In the last 20 years we have been winning trophies and that too consistently
Dont you think that with all the money you have spent you should be targeting higher than the 6th spot Hughes was told to achieve and for which he was on course as you were 6th with a game in hand.
All i saying my friend is dont live in false hope. Success does not come overnight,you have to give young players a chance, keep faith in the manager and give him time. All it shows is the ignorance of the Arab owners you have when they are ready to pay 100 million for Kaka and get egg in their face when Kaka,etoo,mourinho,hiddink rejected you.
King Eric
I heard the match is cancelled not due to the pitch being unplayable but because it is not safe for supporters to travel. is it that bad?.Is there any chance of the games at the weekend being in jeopardy?
to the owner of this site, could you please plot a graph comparing and correlating the average intelligence of a CITEH fan with that of a goldfish, i think the results would surprise you
Scott the Red
“Fred – Sale blue is probably including Stockport/Bramhall in his assessment. If he’s from Sale, pretty much everyone he knows will be red.”
To be honest most people I know in Sale are blues. This is not a lie. All my neighbours are blues. Besides the one we ignore a bit further down the road.
What is the big deal about this anyway. I never understood it???
Get a life everyone. Support your team and get on with it.
Dear Scott,
Hmm! You seem to have omitted a huge chunk of football attendance statistical history there! Perhaps my original hypothesis bears more examination? Better still, read Gary James – he’s pretty much the authority on Mancunian football!
There’s also the rather gigantic elephant sitting in the middle of the RoM chatroom – Manchester City still has the biggest attendance for a club game outside of Wembley: 84,569 attended an FA Cup tie against Stoke City on 3 March 1934!
In any case, I still think the idea that pre-1956, say, attendances tended to fluctuate depending on who was more successful at the time.
*1958
My god. Citeh fans STILL dining out on an attendance from 75 years ago!
aig – Yeah I also heard the electronic turnstiles have frozen and the car park is too treacherous. What the fuck? Not sure what the weather is like in Brum but I am hoping Saturday’s game is still on.
bitter blue what does that matter all those years ago? then people used to watch both teams on alternate weeks anyway!
city has a greater percentage of season ticket holders living in manchester but united have a lot more season ticket holders overall in manchester!
Scott the Red – ‘Always the bigger club’? I think not. Remember, your soubriquet, The Rags, was not bestowed because it’s a pejorative version of ‘The Reds’. It originates from the 1920s – marking the days when United could not afford a set of matching shirts for the team. Unlikely to happen again I admit, however parlous your future financial situation – the odious, ‘one only user’ grey third strip must be in a cupboard somewhere at The Swamp.
What’s more, my late uncle, who was pretty well connected at OT until he died in a certain plane crash, used to say the likelihood was that United would have folded had City not offered to share Maine Road in 1945. Where would your much-trumpeted support have gone then? Come on guys, must be room for a molecule of gratitude in your Satanic red hearts. Let’s hear it for the Blues, just once.
Gentlemen!
I’m certainly not dining out on that particular attendance. I’m merely in search of some statistical rectitude!
Please, all of you, read Gary James:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Manchester-Football-History-Gary-James/dp/0955812704
He debunks myths on both sides. Good evening to you all and enjoy the tie!
P.S. 11am – I’m glad you’ve acknowledged this! Scott would have you believe that United have always been the better supported club. By your assertion both clubs were equally well supported, or at any rate that United haven’t always had the ‘magic formula’ for a well-supported club! Good day to you!
A lot of City fans are boycotting as prices are £40, which is more than the £5 and £10 they have paid in every other round.
To be fair to City, their fans do boycott games, such as the one at Birmingham 2 years back, where our fans wont even in in with boycotts on food and merchandise as was tried at Fulham, Birmingham and Wembley.
£40 is a rip off given the prices for every other round there.
Mick Travis, as you can imagine, our fans aren’t currently at their most amenable. Stoic, obdurate and irate… anything but agreeable. Give it another week.
fist time ive been on this bitter shite since the tevez thing ! still see your full of bitter hate for us blues , you really are the most bitter vile fans no wonder your the most hated fans in football , as for the tickets its typical
city the way they let them go ive been trying for weeks to buy but its down to loyalty points for access card holders also the fact that were playing you the way they have let them go , if it was the case as going to the ticket office and saying im a blue i need 4 tickets they would have gone weeks ago, but you know these days you just carnt do that , we will buy the ground , and anyway better to be owned by the council than the bank we also have spent over 30 million our ground , worry about your debt and your decline not us .
Lads, what the fuck does attendence matter!! Im a manc and a red and me Dad is a manc and a blue, Ive got loads of Shitty supporting mates and loads of Utd supporting mates, we dont get into the whole Manchester is blue/red bollocks coz the simple fact is, as I say to me old man and my shitty supporting mates time and again, UNITED IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL FOOTBALL CLUB IN MANCHESTER AND ENGLAND AND ONE OF THE BEST SUPPORTED TEAMS IN THE WORLD AND EVEN IF SHITTY DID START WINNING ANYTHING YOU HAVE A LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG WAY TO GO BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN THINK ABOUT BEING OUR EQUALS!!
WILL NEVER DIE!! WILL NEVER DIE!!
scared
@Tufty aka SEF
The price of a ticket is just a negitive simple answer
the fact is there has to be that many city fans who think biggest game against our biggest rivals in there life time as a supporter
thats like manchester united v chelsea moscow champions league final biggest game against our then and now most competitive rivals and if a ticket was been handed to me I would never think nah too expencive
and I know as a United fan I know theres a big difference between Carling cup semis and Champions league final but , and in no disrespectful way to City club or fans< this is there 07/08 champions league final and they could get enough fans who were been handed an opportunity to get tickets to buy them.
The reason the game is cancelled is because the schools are closed which means they can only half fill the ground with mindless adolescent twats suffering from repetative cunt syndrome. And for the fucking record I would much rather be owned by weird looking broke American cunts than Arabs. You would do well to remember our boys are not fighting In the Americas, Oils a Wonderful thing eh?it bought you robinho but who really paid the price?
Yes you can say debt debt debt and maybe we are broke but your still a fucking joke ( with mega floodlights) oh yeah nice flood lights mmmh
(Wythenshawe Garrison)
United… City’s biggest game in 30 years lol, we consider Chelsea our big games now. United are nothing more than a stepping stone our our road to football domination. United are nothing now, certainly nothing for City to be concerned about… 3 years from now you’ll be history quoting ‘remember when…’ bye bye Utd you one man team (WH odds on Rooney signing for City during next two years are only 7/4, somthing to think about). We’ll find out how big Fergie’s balls really are by his team choice – I’ll give anyone 10/1 Rooney plays a part in both games unless he’s injured. Mancini has Fergie shaking in his boots ?
Keeno1966 – good to know reasoned, enlightened, literate debate is still alive and well and living in Wythenshawe. Well, maybe in the ‘blue half of Wythenshawe’.
So far as I can perceive, wading through the ‘f’ and ‘c’ words, the nub of your argument is that you consider City responsible for the death of British troops in Iraq.
You sad, sad tosser.
I’ve plenty of family who live in Sale and that’s where my dad, a true red for 51 years is from. Sale Blue is right that there are a number of city fans in Sale but overwhelmingly Scott the Red is correct. Sale is red from Sale Moor to Sale West to Ashton on Mersey. And as for city’s ‘massive fanbase’. My dad tells me he once saw a press photograph showing a match at Maine Road where there were so few fans there you could see fans at the ‘famous’ Kippax end sitting on deckchairs. City have always had their strong support areas mainly to the east but virtually the rest of Manchester and of course the whole of Salford is largely red. And at end of the day, since city had Colin Bell, Franny Lee and Sumerbee etc. why on earth would any self-respecting Mancunian for a single second entertain supporting such a second-rate, self-regarding set of tossers?
A United fan advised me to read this, as he suggested it would be a good read. Well I’m a bit pissed at what I’m reading, most of you posters on here are incredibly biased and irrational. For a United fan to joke about City’s stadium attendances is uneducated, considering, Old Trafford could fit about 30,000 more than Eastlands, and in the past about 40,000 more than Maine Road. Of course your attendance is better! This year City’s average attendance has been better than Liverpool’s, but who do you think has more fans in all honesty?
And why do you City fans keep bringing up debt? Or attendances in Division 3? Or that you will soon be the better team, with United going down the drain? It’s all irrelavent! Besides, United will be at the top end of the spectrum for a long time, City have a good chance of being there ALONGSIDE them, which of course would be great for football in Manchester, and in the UK too.
And to all of you, I’m pretty sure that Manchester is pretty split down the middle in terms of fanbases, I’d be worried about the amount of Liverpool fans there tbh if I were you.
p.s. Well done to the posters who’ve made an attempt at posting something that isn’t completely biased towards their own team.
every time i see someone wearing a CITEH top or a CITEH hat or a CITEH mentally disabled badge on their lapel it makes me want to stamp on their heads, does anyone else feel like that?? Your club is vile, the players (Adebayor/Tevez/Bellamy) are universally detested, your owners are repulsive, let’s not even get into Gary Cock or whatever his name is, the fact is I HATE CITEH
Unfortunately family members of mine are CITEH supporters, it makes me feel SICK.
Do t worry about it buddy… You just have a severe case of Man City jealousy and the only cure is ‘get used to it’
@Mr. Bluesky
I’m glad you feel that Chelsea games are your big games.
For us every single game is equal – you get three points for beating Chelsea – same as Portsmouth for example.
Why don’t you go fuck yourself and get educated – you can’t win the league and neither can they by beating each other – league runs for 38 matches – ; )
And if we are your stepping stone – then to get to our level you would need 19 years of success just to catch us up
Good luck with that – it’s obvious your maths isn’t exactly up to scratch : )
GLORY HUNTER – When you get to our level – tell me off – I’ll gladly wait for your abuse – until then please shut the fuck up go back to your little club and dream on – switch the lights off on your way out I need sleep after your boring blogs
Get used to it? Methinks not. No, we’ll cry our many tears into our many trophies.
Feel free to continue prattling on like council estate chavs who’ve won the lottery.
not exactly Ribery Torres and Gerrard is it ??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1240840/Roberto-Mancini-trying-tempt-Manchester-United-old-boy-Juan-Sebastian-Veron-Eastlands.html
Well, you’ve had to get used to it for the last 34 years haven’t you? CITEH fans are all the same, they’re all scallies and they’re all thick as fuck
Glory hunter… ? They only wear red. £800M in debt, just open your eyes before you fall in the big black grave the Glazer’s have dug for you, because the only place Utd are going is down, rapid !
Veron? That should be good.
‘Welcome back to Manchester. Now, where did Roy Carroll get to’
Liverpool… 2 man team (Torres & Gerrard), Red Shite… 1 man team (Rooney) + a manager who has the ability to manipulate match officials to gain additional points over a season that have overwhelmingly contributed to titles and other silverware wrongfully acummulated by nothing more than Cheating. Andy Townsend weighed Fergie up perfectly after the Leeds fantastic win by saying ‘even if the game had been played for an extra 15 minutes and Utd hadn’t scored, they still wouldn’t have played enough time’ It was highlighted in the Manchester/Stretford derby derby this season… CHEATING !
@Mr Bluesky
Biggest team in the world
Rated Forbes No.1 Team in football – that’s 2009 not fucking 1099
Manchester United in terms of sports team is second wealthiest to the NFL – if your cultured to know what that is.
Most fans in the world
Most lucrative sponsorship deals
Bigger Stadium than yours
More trophies than you
Fuck off – the debt can’t kill the club because ultimately it is a buyer’s dream – we have everything going for us – let the Glazer’s sell up – please please – oh please : )
If you talk about debt – your owner has spent about 150 million on you already – you are in debt yet you have made no significant profit – or have reached out into the global market apart from doing the fucking PR in Abu Dhabi – that alone kid isn’t enough. The more your owner spends the more debt you take too – and how the fuck do you know what the future will hold?
You are not an entity – you have no fucking history – no trophies – no global appeal – you don’t have lucrative deals in markets because of your inability as of yet to reach the global market – who the fuck are you kidding?
Watch what you say – we United fans don’t sit here applauding the Glazer’s – we would rather have a shared ownership and have a say ourselves – you are deluded if your limitless pot of cash affords you any bragging rights – and you are a fucking GLORY HUNTER standing behind something that you have no idea of. All these owners are in it for themselves – the difference between us and you is simple. We have everything for this club to move up another level – you don’t – it’s all based on the assumption that you can compete because you can buy – we’ll see.
Barca will teach Madrid a lesson over at La Liga too – your sudden lottery cash has blinded your judgment – lecture me accordingly if after 19 years you exceed our history – until then fuck off
If Liverpool are a two-man team and we’re a one-man team – an opinion which I’ve seen numerous bitters regurgigate incessantly over the last few days – and we’re ten points ahead of them, what exactly are they getting at?
Thick bastards.
@Mr. Bluesky
Where the fuck are leeds?
Or what do Leeds have you don’t over the last 34 years?
Yeah a championship and that was on our account too!
Who the fuck is Andy Townsend – nobody – a footballer who won practically fuck all : )
But if that’s the kind of mates you want – your welcome to them
Wise words from one of Britain’s most credible sports journos – read ‘em and weep, sad red people
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2010/jan/06/manchester-united-glazers-debt?
and remember the previous generation of massive dynosaurs that roamed the earth – the ones who thought because they were big and powerful they were invulnerable. They never realised something combative and deadly was biting them on the arse until it was too late and hence they were consigned to oblivion.
Remember also, however long it takes, the future is Blue
Oh, and Red Dave, a point of information – the Kippax was not an ‘end’
Veron has told the Bitters thanks but no thanks!
nick travis: you are right it was not an end but the Bell was. LMFAO!!!!!
you CITEH malcontents are truly repellant – your club has NO history, NO ethos, NO dignity ….please keep your inept and condescending analogies to yourself, not everyone is as mentally challenged as and your fellow CITEH fans evidently are…………every vitriolic word you post on here is seething with bitterness and resentment, for all these years it’s been building up – you need therapy or something……it’s funny, i bet you look like an extra from that film Freaks (1932), much alike the rest of your fellow CITEH fans
Yes, because the threat to an institution within the human race is comparable with the rapid demise of the Sauropods. That’s such an astute analogy.
Let’s keep pretending that there’s a possibility Manchester United will cease to exist. All bitter blues should click their red heels just to be sure.
I can tell by the level of swearing I am obviously comunicating with some interbred numbskulls. I’m off to bed now, so write what you will. The only difference is; I will wake up in the morning with a clear positive attitude where you will will wake up with a memory that has just faded that little bit more into the past. Goodnight losers !
@MIck Travis
Sir Alex Ferguson one of the greatest managers in world football.
Read that and weep little club
Fuck off
Read my post above – another sad GLORY HUNTER who believes that changing managers and throwing endless money will bring success to the club
You have fucking nothing in place to generate money, apart from a stadium and the Abu Dhabi family – and you think you can be a rich successful club just like that if you don’t generate your own profit? – We have – let those Americans sell up – you want what we have – you will never have it. If the Arabs can buy you lot with 34 years of fuck all – I’m sitting back in peace and meditating.
You really are clueless if you think that you are not in debt to the Arabs – bravo you really are as stupid as we think you are.
Mr Bluesky got the last word! Ooo, gosh darnit! They’re the rich club in the world AND they’re getting the last word in.
Some clubs just have it all… wait, no they don’t.
@Mr. Bluesky
My cold allows me to mouth off
I still haven’t sworn at you or in any way abused you – care to read properly or need some help with that too?
Of course another piece of delusion on your little behalf
This is the republik of Mancunia – Manchester United – not little manchester city
And again Fuck off retard
Mr Bluenose: Mummy told you to put the lights out and go to sleep has she?
@Mr. Bluesky
No tomorrow morning I will wake up knowing MANCHESTER UNITED ARE STILL THE CHAMPIONS OF THE PREMIERSHIP WITH ONE MANAGER INTACT
and you’ll wake up wanting what we have.
Again just for you
Fuck off you numbskull
By now Mr Bluenose will be in bed tugging away at his 2 inch penis while he thinks of Wazza!…………..I think it’s something they put in the tomato sauce to make it blue that causes all this rank stupidity.
@Rob the Red
Well said
They say the future is blue – they have a crystal ball do they – fucking retards – money as there only saving grace – no class – another fucking interim manager in Mancini – fucking idiots didn’t even get number one pick out of two (retards again) of Hiddink and Mourinho or count Wenger in too makes it one pick out of three – DOH as Homer would say
150 million gone – one manager gone – and they lecture us. SAF will still be there whilst they continuously fuck off there X amount of managers in glorious procession – still looking for a trophy (mind) – whilst Gary Cook acts like Kenyon the sequel – or better his cloned dumb brother. Dumb and dumber as they say : )
Hiding behind money as an excuse – no standing in world football – and yet suddenly they are it – that’s if you don’t count the mob – as bad each other then I guess.
City you are welcome to the money – you still don’t get it that these owners are all as bad as each other. The only thing ours did was not get involved with SAF. Everything else is bullshit. And you lot are fucking idiots if you don’t wake up and smell the coffee. As for predicting the future – what a bunch of retards. Your not even in our class – you speak shit and then you accuse us of being second to you when you have fuck all to show for it.
Go fuck yourselves – you know I’m right despite the expletives.
you offer Veron 7M and 130K in wages and he says absolutely not….in fact “he did not move a muscle when the offer came in”….
http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=ap-veron-mancity&prov=ap&type=lgns
such a sad sight….besides, the arabs are expecting big things to make up for tripling their expense bill, you better qualify for the CL this year.
or else they will pull their money out of City and put it into their other major franchise, the abu dhabi camel races; Which I attended in 1994 while I was working there…very exciting stuff.
As expected this debate has turned into some farciacal drivel. i’m a blue, have a degree in leadership and management and im studying for a degree. so how does that make me thick and retarded? it doesnt. and thus your ethos that all city fans are thick is incorrect.
secondly, city fans, STFU! were all as bad as each other. united are a big club, with some great players, there manager (even though we dont admit it) is one of the best. their fans come from all over because of the success they have. to be recognised in ireland, singapore, south america etc is a clubs dream, its where we will be in twenty years time.
City’s Day is dawning but who says that its at the expense of united? IMO i believe city will have their day ALONGSIDE united, chelsea and arsenal.
United do have debt yes, city have the inept Gary Cook.
City’s owners have the dream to make city like united, stability is the key.
it takes time.
AND attendances cant even be compared, OT is nearly twice the size of COMS and city have not yet sold out their tickets for the semi final, for what reason i dont know. but by the time the game is played it will be sold out.
ANother point is that united fans on here are going on about how all your games are equal. as in you dont have a big match, if thats the case then why has fergie decided not to play your second string in the cup against us, even though he went on record a few days back saying that your young guns would beat us?
Mancini said manchester is like Milan, two great footballing teams. passion, committment.
Thats keeps it that way.
Forza city
Forza United
Forza Mancini
Forza Manchester!
They are too desperate for success that they lost their common sense and mind. The only thing they can do is talk and plan rubbish things. They can’t win trophies. They can sell their captain. They can let their manager leaves. They can do everything they think is right to create havoc. Well. No one will support them. Trust me.
A quick glance through the moronic trash written by the Rags on this poor excuse for a website has led me to make this excellent suggestion.
Why doesn’t one of you gather 143 of your pals together and then you’ll have an IQ of a gross and be able to compete on here using words from the English Dictionary that have more than four letters or two syllables?
Seemples eh!
Alphie
BlueDan
Well said, but do you think you are doing it the right way?
It takes time, then why was sparky sacked. He wasnt doing badly and you had lost the least number of games. The only thing he had to do was covert draws into wins.
You did well in all the big games but were struggling against smaller sides.
Also dont you think that your approach was wrong and you should sign players who want to play for the club like Bellamy and your ex skipper Richie Dunn who has been excellent at VIlla rather than just sign players like Robinho who it seems has forgotten how to play football and the 100 million you were willing to pay Kaka just as a marketing tool
Your owners need to understand that money cant buy success and tradition adn so do some of your deluded and cocky fans.
Oh dear. Seems thing arent going as planeed at Man CIty
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5834013,00.html
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5834013,00.html
What do you think about the latest financial issues?
I read on a BBC blog that the early FA cup exit means United can spend only ~Ł20M this year if they do not want to increase their debt.
Well, I don’t think we need major transfer moves this year, I think we are “lightweight” only in goalkeeper position (Kuszcak is a decent a player, I do not think he would be the main solution for long term). Asenjo, Lloris, Adler or Neuer (as last case) would be a good choice for many years to come.
There is also the possibility to sell, but I am not sure who. Berbatov looks like disappointing for Ł30.75M really… But we are playing with a very big squad, we have nearly 3 players for every position (if you consider Gibson, De Laet, Macheda & Welbeck as squad members).
I think Chelsea with their ageing squad (mainly Drogba&Lampard) and Liverfools have bigger financial problems then we have.
So, financially I think we are secure, I sense a media-hype about that topic, especially when United is on the agenda…
yeah mate, great article. Hit the nail on the head with ever point. Wrote an entire research paper on this exact topic. It can get quite deep, but basically city fans have no leg to stand on.United is what it is, if shity dont like its completely their issue, shame…cant even sellout their own stadium…makes me smile
That was a classic article !
There are a lot more utd fans in the world than city fans, because glory-hunting, non-football types tend to go for the bleeding obvious.
City’s owners always make a few seats available at the last minute if demand is very high. The “council house” has sold out consistently this season, maybe a second-string team from an ailing utd isn’t the big draw it used to be.
We shouldn’t forget that the match was postponed 2 days ago.
this can’t be right, it’s as if the shitty fans are bitter about something. go back to stockport.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2010/jan/06/manchester-united-glazers-debt
Cripes!
Citeh fans would make great spies..the amount of times they go to games disguised as blue seats!
Fucking hell LOL these shitty fans really do think they are a massive club dont they, Im shocked at some of the bollocks Ive seen on here, Chelski are their biggest rivals and we are a stepping stone for them!! they have won fuck all, at least when chelski started mouthing off they were actually challenging for the league. Like I said earlier in this post shitty have a long way to go before they can consider themselves our equals and that fucks them off coz for all their money they have no history, tradition or world appeal!! Reality bites bitches!!
@ AIG
Yeah Robinho only signed for them coz his agent said Manchester want you and he didnt know there was another team apart from Utd in Manchester!! LOL!! and if we had offered all that money to Kaka he would be wearing the red of Utd now FACT!!
@ All the deluded Man City fans
Just a reminder of the best quote of 2009 for you
“If the likes of Real or United knock on the door then you consider the eventual offers. But we are talking about a top player who is fighting for the league title, the Champions League, the best player in his role, what would he be doing at City?, I think it would be unthinkable, let’s not joke about it.”- Antonio Caliendo(Agent of Douglas Maicon)
also you can add the name of Juan sebastian veron to that of kaka,etoo,mourinho,hiddink who have rejected you proving what a massiveeee club city are.
One other thing that isnt and will never go downhill- United winning trophies. It will continue forever
The debt is just something the rival clubs have found to mock United on, because they know they will never ever be as successful as United are and will continue to be in footballing terms on the pitch
34 years without a trophy wud make ya deluded.
Chelsea are citys main rivals now, must be for who has the most money, it certainly not for trophy’s.
‘With a United squad looking suddenly threadbare, and a vintage manager due for retirement himself before too long, United supporters cannot help but see parallels between Stretford and Florida. Duncan Drasdo, chair of the Manchester United Supporters Trust, said this week: “We warned from the beginning that the Glazer takeover would saddle the club with huge debts and now we can see them biting. If it were a race, then United are dragging their owners behind them like a tractor, while City’s owners are providing rocket fuel.” ‘
Straight from the Drasdo’s mouth. Hmm.
BitterBlue
CIty owners are providing rocket fuel, unfortunately neither do they nor will they ever understand what it takes to build a sucessful football clus. It takes patience and players who will give everything and not be money grabbing cunts.The 100 mn bid for kaka was completely the owners decision and i am dead sure of it becasue they thought it will make shitty famous worldwide,same with Robinho who it seems wont even get into the Blue Square Premier League at the moment. The moment the owners realise it is going to be of no use and shitty will remain the way they are they will sell the club
We may have been burdened with debts, neither was i too keen with the Glazers taking over but we will find a way out because
1.We have the largest stadium in England which is full every game
2. United is the most popular club in the world
3.United merchandise is the best selling all over
4.United win 2-3 trophies every year.
ALWAYS IN OUR SHADOW!!!
Love united hate glazer pity city, ya heard.
Bluedan = seemingly a rare breed, a Blue who hasn’t been consumed by an all-encompassing sense of bitterness and hatred
Dear aigalexisgod,
Do read that David Conn article from today’s article, link posted above. Makes for interesting reading, especially re attendances.
@Bitterblue
Yes you are bitter about being blue because you are not in our league and never will be – lovely name full of contradictions and self patronising.
Old man Fergie or grandad or taggart or bacon-face or whatever – we’ve heard it all before – fuck off – he is the catalyst for us being the biggest and best and most powerful club in the world – your team is run aka RM – by the president – all hail Sheik Mansour – big fucking know it all about fuck all – just like the Glazer’s – at least though they have left SAF alone – that’s about it.
The legacy of SAF will continue to make United better – your ilk are all blind to the fact that he has put United in a place where they can never go back to the years of anguish. The only thing United have to do is to put a man in place that will have the balls for the job – that’s why someone like Mourinho – love him or hate him – wants the job because the stability that it could give him could finally equal his ego. And then all of you lot would be fucked accordingly – because that would be the last man any club in world football would want to see at United – and although I have been against it for so long – it maybe is dawning on me that the friendship between SAF and Mourinho might have an end game – however what do I know – at least we don’t go out declaring that the future is this or that like you do – trump yourselves when you have the class and the trophies and the global appeal
Until then fuck off
@Alphie Izzet
The conclusions of self delusion based upon the marginal belief or to further correct – based upon the heightened belief that money is power is one of the most inaccurate consequences of the small minority of fans who follow the team manchester city. In there qualified judgement derived from the endless billions of a member of the Abu Dhabi family – they argue with ferocity that money has already bought them justification to be bigger than the biggest team in the world – MANCHESTER UNITED. However as they seek to nullify reality and bask in this wholly delusional bubble – seldom do they realise that to get to the level of MANCHESTER UNITED – would be a task like no other. In purpose for city to even equal UNITED on any terms would require the best part of twenty years and unimaginable success – seen as never before. Therefore since they are talking about a hypothetically based conclusion – all be it from the point of view that they have more money than common sense, direction and importantly a game-plan, it is safe to conclude as a MANCHESTER UNITED fan that they are way off the mark in terms of equating little club city against MANCHESTER UNITED.
Alphie Izzet dear Alphie – may I be so humbled to address you as dear Alphie? If so please keep your web tangled efforts to yourself. One United fan has enough IQ and intelligence to take you on. And look – no swearing or rudeness – just plain simple english – that is my dear Alphie if you have the capacity and mental attributes to read and understand what exactly I am proposing in this blog to you and fellow fans of your stature. I wish you a good day Sir and a happy new year.
@Zorrin
We have the most fans in the world which makes us the biggest and most recognised team in the world – we can connect with anyone anywhere.
For you to want what we have you have to do the same – yet you have a nerve to suggest that we are glory hunters for it because of the very nature of being able to reach to a global audience.
Pathetic – it’s that very nature of a global appeal – the ability to reach into markets and share platforms with sponsors which defies everyone’s argument that this club is going down or will go down regarding the debt. It is this very reason that makes United more attractive than ever – but what would you know – you don’t have it – so can’t understand it – but you want it though to be as BIG as US.
Dream on Bond villain, when you get to our level – if you get to our level preach accordingly – until then:
You can finish the rest off yourself : )
City just sold all their tickets. Sorry mate.
why are you all so bitter, your all on here trying to have a pop at city,
yet all this crap you post about empty seats etc, the fact is 90% at least i would say wont be even going to the second leg never mind the 1st leg, yet you are all sat there going on, and you call us bitter, there are some loyal manc reds who i respect but the poor fuckers get labeled knobs because your club has so many hangers on that dont even try for a ticket then say i cant get one, spurs at home anyone, or what about all the leeds fans sat all over your ground last sunday, but your all so loyal sat on your ARMCHAIR with your remote, think about. and for the match goers on here not having a pop at you lot, i can take shit of proper fans dont mind bannter
aig alex is god Said,January 6th, 2010 @13:11 BitterBlue
CIty owners are providing rocket fuel, unfortunately neither do they nor will they ever understand what it takes to build a sucessful football clus. It takes patience and players who will give everything and not be money grabbing cunts.The 100 mn bid for kaka was completely the owners decision and i am dead sure of it becasue they thought it will make shitty famous worldwide,same with Robinho who it seems wont even get into the Blue Square Premier League at the moment. The moment the owners realise it is going to be of no use and shitty will remain the way they are they will sell the club
We may have been burdened with debts, neither was i too keen with the Glazers taking over but we will find a way out because
1.We have the largest stadium in England which is full every game
2. United is the most popular club in the world
3.United merchandise is the best selling all over
4.United win 2-3 trophies every year.
ALWAYS IN OUR SHADOW!!!
1 WRONG ie
spurs 1 December 2009 Old Trafford | 57,212
Wolves 0
Old Trafford 23 September | 51,160
now thats just 2 games i looked up and there is more you do not sell out every game like you state.
2 are real madrid and celtic not counted then, as there is a big debate over this one, and if you are why do your best players all want to leave you to go to real ?
3 you could be right about that, but is that something to be proud of selling scarfs and shirts, i do know real mancs reds realy dont wear shirts and scarfs they class it as knobish.
4 when you say trophies are you counting anything as since the year 2000
you have won
6 prem leagues
1 champs lge
1 fa cup
2 league cups
so to make out you get 2-3 each year ?
i will never be in your shadow mate, i will be watching my team live. not sat behind you infront of a tele
and a real red would not use aig in his user name, shows what you know about reds.
Bluemanc – when was the last time 54,000+ went to watch your Reserves play? In fact, when was the last time you had 54,000 watch your first team play?? The League Cup is a game we use for our young players/fringe, as you well know.
Kuszczak, Neville, de Laet, Park, Gibson, Tosic, Obertan,Welbeck and Macheda all played against Spurs (didn’t stop us winning 2-0 with Gibson getting both goals like) so you can’t compare that with Premiership games.
Just 24,507 showed up at Wastelands to watch City play Fulham in the League Cup this seaso, and that was your strongest team! So you probably want to drop the point you’re making… :S
Scott the Red Said,January 6th, 2010 @18:15 Bluemanc – when was the last time 54,000+ went to watch your Reserves play? In fact, when was the last time you had 54,000 watch your first team play?? The League Cup is a game we use for our young players/fringe, as you well know.
Kuszczak, Neville, de Laet, Park, Gibson, Tosic, Obertan,Welbeck and Macheda all played against Spurs (didn’t stop us winning 2-0 with Gibson getting both goals like) so you can’t compare that with Premiership games.
Just 24,507 showed up at Wastelands to watch City play Fulham in the League Cup this seaso, and that was your strongest team! So you probably want to drop the point you’re making… :S
point i am making is i go week in week out, and he said you sell out every game so the point i was making was right you dont sell out every game,
and we dont say we sell out every game, so you probably want to drop your point
Bluemanc – don’t be so pedantic. We sell out every league game, that’s true. We don’t sell out the games our Reserves play in. Although, for our Reserves vs Spurs we had more than double the attendance you had vs Fulham when you played your first team. That’s embarrassing and simply proves the point we’ve been making. If City is full of blues, why do they struggle to sell their tickets?
You haven’t been able to sell as many tickets as us since the 1940′s. Honestly, give it up lol.
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/stats-united-vs-city-the-best-supported-club-since-the-1940s-and-before-premiership/
i aint calling your crowds mate was just pointing out he was wrong,
you will have bigger crowds than us your ground is bigger and you have world wide support. its not rocket science.
bluemanc – we haven’t had worldwide support since the 40′s, have we? Yet we’ve outsold you every year since then.
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/stats-united-vs-city-the-best-supported-club-since-the-1940s-and-before-premiership/
As for having a big ground, when we both played at Maine Road between 46 and 49, we had bigger attendances than you. So the ground was the same size, yet more Mancunians (no such thing as glory supporters in 1946 I’m afraid!) chose to watch United play than City. FACT.
@blueman
a true red would always use aig
Alex is God
We don’t follow shirt sponsors – we follow the gaffer – unlike you lot : )
Bluemanc
Seems you dont know how to read or what
Aig -alex is god is the username not based on our sponsor but Alex is god stands for our feelings towards our manager. Dont know how you can say that if you have read the whole name.
I can only assume by best player you mean Ronaldo because all other players have left only because they have had a falling out with the manager.It was always Ronaldo’s dream to play for real so he left but mind you he left only after he won everything there was to be won.By saying best players i dont know which other player you can refer to.
There are cases of our stadium not being full but that happens in some games. The point is despite Nou camp and Berbnebau having same or more capacity than Old Trafford we still have the highest average attendance in Europe-FACT
i am proud of the fact that United merchandise sells the most.You go out of Uk to asia and man city hardly has any fans.That shows our and your global appeal.
Finally you are no one to judge how much i know about my club.
And i advise you to read carefully before coming to your erroneous conclusions
aig alex is god
i do agree that, to an extent we have done it the wrong way, robinho was just showing the world our financial muscle, he doesnt want to play for the club and tbh i dont want him here, bellamy is much better IMO.
our owners had a five yera plan which in the summer was sped up for reasons unknown, he target players like barry. de jong (who has been a revelation) and tevez who in my opinion is one of sparkys best signings.
we will see how the january window takes shape mancini seems to know what he is doing with the players he is supposedly targeting.
long live our inter city rivalry.
see you at the carling cup
Does anyone know where the mummy and daddy blog is?