Earlier this summer, the FA deemed that Ashley Cole lied to defend John Terry who was found guilty of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand.
In Cole’s first statement to the FA, he claimed he heard or saw Anton use a “B” word, which he suggested might have been “Bridge” as Anton said it whilst making a sexual gesture.
A week later, Cole changed his statement and claimed that the word he heard could have been “black”. Terry’s entire defence relied on his claim that he thought he heard Anton accuse him of calling him a “black cunt”, making Cole’s change of story incredibly suspicious. Given that this was a case about racism, it made no sense at all that Cole would forget that he could have seen/heard Anton use the word “black”.
If Cole is prepared to lie in court to defend a racist, it should come as no surprise that his family are scum bags too.
Following a City fan cutting Rio Ferdinand’s head with a coin on Sunday, Cole’s brother and mother took to Facebook, with the full report in The Mirror.
His brother Matty posted: “So happy Rio got hit in the face today when he tried to give it kissing his badge!! Straight in the eye!! Made my day.”
His mother Sue replied: “Bloody missed that, ha ha ha. Give the fan that threw it a medal!!!”
Matty replied: “They’ll show it on MoTD sooooo funny lol.”
Sue responded: “Rio in audience at x factor, wonder if he can see?????”
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Cunts the whole lot of them!
Primitive people…
WOW! what an inbred family!
Someone kicked over a bucket of shit and chelski fell out! Even the rent boys families stink.
You need to be very, very careful. Slander is applicable to the Internet you know. And lies like the ones you stated above are actionable.
Cole’s original statement was taken down in handwritten notes by the FA representative, and she wrote “B-word” as she took those notes. When the subsequent typed statement was submitted to Cole and his legal representatives for signature, he informed them that he did not say “B-word” in the interview, but that he had said the word in full, and the female interviewer had made the abbreviation. Cole’s representatives considered it important that Cole’s actual words were used in the document, not an interviewers politically-correct version, hence the change requested prior to Cole signing off on the document as accurate.
You really should be more aware of your facts you know.
Even if the boy was an idiot, the mother ought to know better. What a shame she is to motherhood and all the pleasant things it stands for.
Family cunts, a bunch of ignorant bastards, of course if this story is true!!!
you think the mother has sex with the son???
Cecil, Get a grip son. They will have to win vs the Mirror first and that seems pretty unlikely in this instance.
Here is the cover of todays Mirror.
http://twitpic.com/bkvows
G-man – put the bottle down, you are diverting into strange and puzzling never land.
If the comments pasted on Facebook by members of the Cole family are true….it just shows everybody what a low-life…small minded family they are. I have been a Manchester United fan and season ticket holder for over 50 years and can honestly say that I cannot understand why there is so much hatred between fellow team supporters. Put into basics….what is football……22 persons kicking a ball round a field of play….that is what it is….but persons take it as more important that anything else in their lives..
It,s about time all the terrible behaviour associated with the GAME was terminated.
I mean how authentic is this facebook? if it is real then she really is a couple of spanners short of a tool box.
Scott, Loads to be said about the upcoming!
SAF: Remember the day!
https://twitter.com/al_henny/status/278438812412170240/photo/1/large
I am in FULL AGREEMENT fletch. we have to absolutely fucking SMASH those mackem wankers.
I know wenger was generous with the seemingly unlikely RVP sale to united but i hope “Le professor” isn’t expecting a favour from fergie. The canny flying scot man isn’t going to sell nani to arsenal anytime. I’ll say put this rumour in the “non existent” section.
http://www.adifferentleague.co.uk/p6_0_17955_wenger-looking-to-capitalise-on-nani-row-by-bringing-man-utd-winger-to-arsenal.html
I could care less about Cole, his mum, etc. But I do love this game that they seem to view only with contempt.
There is a smashingly honest piece out in telegraph that reminds us how few view the actions of Terry, Suarez, their clubs or their mates with anything but the contempt they diserve.
I for one will not look back at the last year with much love lost. Always look forward in hope for better.
Well worth a read.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9590947/Chelseas-Toxic-Twins-John-Terry-and-Ashley-Cole-are-an-embarrassment-to-the-game-and-their-peers.html
This is one of the worst pieces I’ve ever read on here. Completely pathetic tribalism. I’m a big Manchester United fan, but John Terry was found innocent in a criminal court. You should be ashamed of writing this sentence: “If Cole is prepared to lie in court to defend a racist, it should come as no surprise that his family are scum bags too.”
@Samuel, Nani to Arsenal?no way, I think despite all his lackluster performance this season he is still a great of part Fergie’s paradigm, he has still got things to prove in united’s jigsaw puzzle!who knows?may be he and Anderson”out for 6 to 8 weeks” are our secret weapons for the second part of the season.the only problem with Nani is his inconsistency methinks but again he is on Berbatov either”although I loved the latter”the problem is united are following a utilitarian manifolds system, so any player no matter how his class or talent should share his welfare with the greatest welfare of the club, there is no favouritism in united, thats why we are successful.Nani has created so many crucial moments in his career at united but what matter the most is consistency.we say this time and time this season and the previous seasons as well.your mere talent doesn’t guarantee a starting lineup everyday, as Fergie will dump out any regular down performer unitl he toughen up.but again I seriously don’t think Ferghe will abandon Nani, thats for sure
Reading RVP interviews, you can really see the hardwork fergie and his coaches/scouts do in terms of not only finding top class talents but also making sure they have the right attitude and mentality that blends with manchester united. Van persie, for all his obvious talents is,a very humble man, he has adapted to united with minimum fuss. He works hard at not only on the attacking side but also the rough side of the game like defending e.t c. He cherishes responsiblity rather than hide. He has also improved players around him, i can only hope the likes of welbeck benefit.
This will be an interesting weekend’s football,loking forward to see City reactions at Newcastle another tough one for them is the collapse on?
Sir Cecil wtf you rambling on about FA found Cole guilty of lying
Parryheid.. I feel Newcastle always choke when they play city, much like Villa and QPR. I do hope yesterday’s match really kicked their confidence in and the wheels fall off! So glad their two year record of a cherry was popped by United. Interesting weeks ahead indeed! I don’t see Mancini making it past the summer.
Listening to talksport yesterday some City fan was trying to blame Rooney for inciting fans before the Rio incident also brought up the Bellamy incident.Got upset with one of the lads for calling Mad Mario a waste of space,bunch of deluded classless cunts,what a fucking horrible club
@Scott the Red, Sir Cecil is right, you shouldn’t post lies. That this bunch of classless cunts and cashley are scum is not a shock!
@Samuel, spot on mate.indee Robin is truly a real united player and he worths every penny paid for..despite his goal scoring records and experience he still wants to learn new things under another class manager.
Completely off topic act anyone saw Berba’s performance against Newcastle?he dominate the game with his precision and touch of class.I Still watch him playing, it still hurts me that he couldn’t stay with us, wish him well though.you will always be remembered, the hatrick against Liverpool is still on my mind.
Barry Charged for abusive language!!!
http://www.thefa.com/News/governance/2012/dec/gareth-barry-charged.aspx
Atkinson must be gutted. After working so hard to ensure the bitters were back in it?!
The ungrateful S@?!B!
The following is an extract from an article by the secret footballer:
“If you meet a footballer and he comes across as a rude, arrogant prick, the chances are that he is simply trying not to give anything away. Either that, or you have bumped into Ashley Cole”
@Fletch
It doesn’t say who the foul and abusive language was aimed at but I’d say it was at Samir ‘Houdini’ Nasri for his little disappearing trick at the end. Honestly ducking out of the way like that was up there with the most cringeworthy acts I’ve seen.
I play 7 a side most weekends and I don’t like having the ball print on my skin for days after taking a thunderbolt to the leg or body but it has to be done. In fact I’m the ideal man to have in the wall. Not because I’m all that big but I’m so fucking slow I couldn’t get out of the way if I tried.
WTF The Brazilian has missed both games since and although Sir Alex stated that it wasn’t serious and the midfielder would be out for 3 to 4 weeks, today The Times are reporting that medical staff at Manchester United have discovered a tear in his hamstring that is likely to keep him out for double the amount of time it was initially expected to.the boy has no luck!
@Bobby.. Funny stuff mate, Cheers.
RE: Nasri,
There is a funny story going around that French press have been after english reporters who slag french players. After literally every pundit in britain called Nasri a sniveling coward, they chose to single out the twitter account @NickyButt . Who posted:
Nicky Butt @NickyButt
Samir Nasri lifts his leg in the wall like a little schoolboy and RVP’s shot deflects and goes into the corner. Winner? 3-2. #MUFC #MCFC
You guessed it. The real united hero Nicky Butt has absolutely nothing to do with @NickyButt.
Funny read:
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/french-press-get-angry-with-manchester-united-blogger-but-make-fo
what do people expect off cretins like the coles tbh and ive heared a rummer the address of that muppet who tried to get at rio has been publish online also the company he works for if true he dropped himself right in the shite
what do people expect off cretins like the coles tbh and ive heared a rummer the address of that muppet who tried to get at rio has been publish online also the company he works for if true he dropped himself right in the shite
Seriously its a shame. Rio could have been blinded and these scumbags are making fun. Chelsea fans should be ashamed that they have players like cole in their side. Now its funny to think that media were linking cole to us.
Honestly its a real shame. FOOLS
Bunch of classless twats showing their true colors
Proper choc ice family.
Can anyone recall why we are allowed to wear our home kit at Eastlands?
Pretty sure that Liverpool wear away tops at Everton.
I have a vague memory that it has to do with the light blue tops of City.
If United were in white, it might not be easy to distinguish, especially on a rainy night. And Our 3rd kit would be out because it is blue.
Any thoughts. Cheers
Considering what could have been if Rio wasn’t a tad lucky, it doesn’t make for good reading coming from the Coles… Plus, it’s just a lame attempt at getting a little piece of airtime
@Fletch
Why wouldn’t we? You only wear your away kit away if your home kit’s going to clash…
@FTM
I’m pretty sure liverpool wear their red tops against Everton at Goodison…. Still have the “Suarez Dive” in front of Moyes in my head… Can’t remember them wearing anything different
Tweet from Wazza:
Not feeling good at all. Had to cancel the book signing today. Sorry to all the fans who were coming. I was really looking forward to it.
Hope he’s OK for Saturday.
*……can’t remember them wearing anything different especially @ Goodison
just found this Nani at the Gunners training ground? probably a fake
http://gossip.ladyarse.com/arsenal/2012/12/11/nani-pictured-at-arsenal-training-ground-photo/?
HOW did we miss this guy from the beginning of his career.
The lad loves United. It’s like he has dreamt since he was a child to play for us.
I talk about Robin Van Persie, look how he says great things about everyone..
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Dec/robin-van-persie-javier-chicharito-hernandez-is-an-example.aspx
Delete that comment Costas or an FA fine is coming your way
That pic of Nani is looking real, but how do we know where it is taken?
If he goes there, well I will cry. Let’s hope we never sell him to an English team.
@wayne
No proof that it’s London Colney. Plus why has the photo – supposedly on Sunday – only ‘surfaced’ two days later after the Nani rumour has come out?
kanchelskis don’t know mate it’s coming from this guy who claims to have seen him
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/snapped-on-manchester-derby-day-luis-nani-was-pictured-near-arsenals-london-colney-on-sunday/?
@wayne
Just looked at the tweet. He’s got gooners replying to him saying it’s not London Colney at all.
Wouldn’t be surprised if we do sell him (I hope we don’t), but I don’t think Fergie would sell him to Arsenal, nor do I think they could afford his wages.
If Arsenal won’t pay Walcott the 100,000 a week he wants, it seems unlikely they would pay Nani the 130,000 a week he is reportedly seeking…
“Sunderland fans who were cheering for City, remember the day. We won’t forget that. I am telling you.” – Fergie
Seems to be a lot of daft bastards on twitter starting stupid rumors wonder what they get out of it.
Bobby Manc will be looking to buy in January transfer window,honestly how bad of a manager is this guy,if he had a budget to work from he’d be fucking useless,City should really punt the twat.
@wayne
This is why I can’t abide the Jan transfer window. Everyone gets their squad together at the start of the season, and that should be the squad you compete with. So ridiculous that – for example – Mancini can fail to get the best out of probably the league’s most talented squad, and he can just cancel out those shortcomings with a big buy halfway through the season. Shouldn’t be allowed.
@kanchelskis
mate , if he signs more players how the hell is he going to keep these guys happy.they just have the league and the fa cup. i am pretty sure rodwell and sinclair are regretting the fact that they joined city.garcia has been atrocious. nastasic has been good…. yaya toure will go to the african cup of nations . their strikers are not firing. so its going to be TOUGH. mourinho or guardiola will take over in next season
Seen this is this paper legit or is it a piss take
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/rooney-must-be-punished-for-his-crowd-baiting-adebayor-slide/?
re: away strips
Subject to Rules F.20 and F.22, when playing in League Matches the Players of each
participating Club shall wear its home Strip unless the home Strips of the participating Clubs
are alike or similar or are in the opinion of the referee likely to cause confusion in which event
Players of the Visiting Club shall wear its away Strip, third Strip or a combination of its home
Strip, away Strip and its third Strip. In the event of any dispute with regard to the Strip to be
worn by either Club, the referee’s decision shall be final.
22. Players of the Visiting Club may wear its away Strip or third Strip when playing in League
Matches provided that they shall not do so on more than 8 occasions in any Season, including
those occasions, if any, when required to do so by virtue of the foregoing provisions of
Rule F.21. For the avoidance of doubt, nothing in this Rule shall limit the number of occasions
a Club may be required to change its Strip pursuant to Rule F.21.
Posted this a couple days ago but TIME IS RUNNING OUT:
UNITED FANS GET OVER AND VOTE FOR DANNY.
Ash Cole could actually win this thing.
Vote Early, Vote Often!
http://www.thefa.com/England/News/2012/van-persie-welbeck-111212.aspx
wayne – its a piss take, there always at it
wayne
The FA is not a court my friend, If cole was thought to have lied in court then he would be facing charges of purgery. The FA was under ever mounting pressure to charge Terry as it had become a lets laugh at England issue with the world looking at England as a tribe of dgeenerate chavs (have to agree there).
Lets put this in perspective. A news paper is making a story from a private conversation between family members. They dont like Rio, and to be honest why should they. I dont like Rio, I think he’s a despisable cunt, excellent footballer but a nonce nontheless. You have to remember that Rio used his fame to add noise and weight to the Terry Anton issue. If any of you were to go through court would your brother stand in the dock for you or would he be at home boning your girlfriend like any proper brother worth his salt would. Dont forget Rio called Ashley (or laughed and agreed to anothers posters use of the word and thus spread it) a choc ice and was charged for that by the FA. Cole was gracious enough to say he didnt want to take that further, why no credit. If I was a big fat white lass who liked black cock and my son was “racially” abused by another choc ice I think I would laugh at the coin incident, goes without saying. If someone called you a name publically for the world to hear and then got decked by a stranger wouldnt you laugh. I would Id fucking piss on him.
As for scummy families maybe we should be reminded of a certain Mr Rooneys family. Its about time we as United fans stopped this holier than thou attitude in regards other teams players and families. Ours are just as shite and probably in alot of cases worse. I mean fucking hell our fans come from Gunchester, players from scouseland, fans from all around the world. Fans from families such as holocaust denyers, terrorists, machette wielding bush bastards, propergators of bird flu, rapists, kiddie fiddlers, Mick Hucknell and other various reprobatic scummers. Your view of everyone who supports United as clean living prawn sandwich munchers is a view made up by the press, I know I ate chips, my finger smells of shite and Im just about to go on chatroulette and drop trou to a 10year old. Hoohum.
Goat Peticoat – When in court, the chief magistrate wasn’t provided with the evidence that shows Cole was a liar. The e-mails showing that Cole changed his story were only provided to the FA, which is why they deemed him to be a liar. Had the chief magistrate seen Cole adding the word “black” to his story a week later he would have likely disregarded Cole’s testimony all together.
People like them are appearing in increasing numbers in this country.
Scott the Red
I cannot really coment on the case my friend as the British gutter press doesnt reach these shores or atleast I dont subscribe to them. The case was played no doubt back and fourth in the press to such an extent that a fair verdict was near on impossible anyways. Im not defending Cole rather giving credit where its due (not deciding to go further with chocicegate), not blaming a footballer because of his family (Rooney) – it has to be said the footballers of britain pretty much exclusively come from deprived areas or atleast questionable beginnings where the skillfull little shite has to run the gauntlet of getting to training without being stabbed or bribbed. Its no surprise the families arent much nicer or should I say thiner skinned like we all seem to be, lol. Cole also stuck up for a team mate, isnt that the done thing nowadays anyway. If Cole had grassed on Terry then others would be calling him a grass. Why because hes black/chocice should he have to take the black/chocice side against a team mate when Evra wears the respect tshirt for the good of all the black players but Rio decides not to on a personal crusade. If he doesnt have to be a brother than why should Cole.
Nice to get a reply from you though fella, thanks for a fantastic blog and have a great christmas.
There are actually still people on Soccernet commenting that Rio deserved what he got because he was provoking City fans. So flawed on so many levels. What have some football “fans” turned into, trying to find ways and means to justify violence. Try going to court and explaining “oh I slashed my missus above the eye. But it’s justified, because she was provoking me by squeezing the toothpaste at the wrong end!”
I wonder how that pans out! Gosh, a portion of humanity has really lost its humanity.
Cashley’s mum sounds well classy. All because RIo called her son a sell out haha.
As for Nani, his goals, assists and ability are leagues above Walcott. The Arsenal player keeps banging on about playing as a Striker, but Nani has the ability to lead the forward line of any Club and be a top scorer getting 20 a season.
For those scoffing – don’t forget Nani has ALREADY scored 10 goals from wide positions for two seasons running, and he assists even more, despite our rotation system and supporters who don’t really support you.
You put him in a team as a main man, playing centrally, and he’ll damage any team in Europe, including us. Even his critics have to admit that, so why wouldn’t Arsenal snap him up for (allegedly)130k ? Silva (allegedly) costs 200k ffs!
Also, Nani is a proper professional despite his amazing natural talent, and he doesn’t sulk or believe his own hype. SO if Ferguson really is selling, you will see Clubs coming out of the woodwork to sign him. Since when do supporters or even managers determine a players true worth anyway?
Pogba shits on his critics every time he steps out for Juve, so much so many cannot stand to hear his name mentioned haha. United supporters should think on regarding Nani.
If he joins a team that deploys him more centrally, instead of wasting him on the wing, he’ll score for fun on either foot and assist loads of goals, all with a smile on his face and a humble wage of 130k compared to the top EPL earners who earn nearly double.
Thanks to a class player like Anderson there to assist him, Nani could’ve scored the last one against Chelski with his fucking eyes closed and you all know it. He’s undeniably class and he’s barely 26.
SIGN HIM UP FERGIE !!!
@United till i die
You’ve made a great arguement for Nani. To be honest i think you’ve talked me round, because I wasn’t that bothered about him leaving. I think I am now. He’s worth a few grand more, that’s for sure.
@United Till I Die, Ice Cube
TBH I always rated Nani, though he’s definitely one who needs a run of games to get his game form going.
He has the most natural potential out of our three wing players, and he’s unpredictable. That does have a negative and a positive end to it, naturally, in that sometimes he’s so frustrating because he does things you don’t expect and ruins the run of play.
But other times, he’s brilliant, and he does things conventional wingers like Young and Valencia will not do. I really hope he does not leave. For what it’s worth, he hasn’t kicked up a fuss and bitched about Fergie like the argie troll, so I hope the boss gives him a second thought. If he’s genuinely injured, i hope he comes back and fights for a place in the squad soon. If he’s frozen out, I really hope the boss reconsiders.
Goat … you don’t need to have followed the English papers to understand that Cole lied to the FA. You can get it directly from the FA’s report, which is here:
http://www.thefa.com/News/governance/2012/oct/~/media/22A83175745E44468105B57232F085B7.ashx
Look for the section headed “The evolution‟ of Ashley Cole’s evidence”, which starts on Page 46. It explains why the FA did not find Cole’s evidence credible, and it does so in very clear terms. This wasn’t a case of them simply not believeing him because he’s a teammate of Terry. They describe the sequence of the changes in his evidence, point out the inconsistencies, and apply basic commonsense to determine that his evidence was unrealiable — essentially, that he changed his story several times in order to provide “evidence” that supported Terry’s story.
As someone else pointed out earlier, the FA Commission was able to consider more evidence than the magistrate in Terry’s court case. For reasons that are not clear, some of the statements that were presented to the FA were not presented to the court. The FA’s report goes so far as to suggest that had the magistrate seen those statements, it had “considerable doubt” that the magistrate would still have maintained the view that Cole’s evidence was reliable corroboration of Terry’s story.
THIS !!!!!!!!!!!! THIS !!! THIS !!!!!!!!! you can see how Arsenal supporters are happy, and it’s only a rumour..
THIS @UTID delivers like always.
Nani, his goals, assists and ability are leagues above Walcott. The Arsenal player keeps banging on about playing as a Striker, but Nani has the ability to lead the forward line of any Club and be a top scorer getting 20 a season.
For those scoffing – don’t forget Nani has ALREADY scored 10 goals from wide positions for two seasons running, and he assists even more, despite our rotation system and supporters who don’t really support you.
You put him in a team as a main man, playing centrally, and he’ll damage any team in Europe, including us. Even his critics have to admit that, so why wouldn’t Arsenal snap him up for (allegedly)130k ? Silva (allegedly) costs 200k ffs!
Also, Nani is a proper professional despite his amazing natural talent, and he doesn’t sulk or believe his own hype. SO if Ferguson really is selling, you will see Clubs coming out of the woodwork to sign him. Since when do supporters or even managers determine a players true worth anyway?
Pogba shits on his critics every time he steps out for Juve, so much so many cannot stand to hear his name mentioned haha. United supporters should think on regarding Nani.
If he joins a team that deploys him more centrally, instead of wasting him on the wing, he’ll score for fun on either foot and assist loads of goals, all with a smile on his face and a humble wage of 130k compared to the top EPL earners who earn nearly double.
Thanks to a class player like Anderson there to assist him, Nani could’ve scored the last one against Chelski with his fucking eyes closed and you all know it. He’s undeniably class and he’s barely 26.
SIGN HIM UP FERGIE !!!
Re sabotage times – run by the paragon of virtue and Leeds fan James brown, another bell end with a grievance
still buzzing from sunday i’m wondering where that man city cunt is who had a pop at wayne on saturday night hes gone fucking quiet.giving it all sunday morning that he was on his way to the game he only went to see united.shit fans and a shit club.good point fletch the man to sunderland fans we will never forget you clueless bastards we will never forget.
Stateside
Thanks for the heads up. I havent read the report and managed to get the first 4 pages done before going stary eyed – bloody tired.
My points dont dispute what Ive read so far. My points were that the FA shouldnt be allowed to have a kangaroo court like system to charge people for things they are freed from in a higher court. For instance if your charged at a county court you can challenge this and go forward to a crown court then on up the ladder from there. You NEVER get a crown court judgement then challenge in a lower court. There is no juristiction. My problem is if John Terry is found innocent in court then he should NOT be tried in a lower system. There are more resources, educated individuals and vastly more experienced individuals in matters of this kind and some even specialised in a court of law where such a case comes too. The FA are fat dodgy self appointed arseholes that no one has ever had a good word to say about them. It doesnt sit well with me.
Scott made the statement that the court didnt have the knowledge of Ashley Cole lying or that the evidence he gave was credible. Its a good point, I cant and wont argue against it as I cant, I dont have the courts accounts and to be honest it wasnt the point of my text. I do not believe that JT got off because of the words of Cole. I think he got off because 1, Anton Ferdinand never heard anything, the tv footage was not 100% conclusive (not the shit ive seen all slow motion) and just before Terry said “black cunt” his face was obscurred so the words said cannot be acurately put into context in the sentance.
This is my slant on it. Im not defending anyone Im just like the courts, not to prepared to hang untill credible and damning evidence is put forward. The court allowed Coles evidence to help the case in Terrys favour both in terms as character reference and as a witness. In the FA trial Coles lying was judged to convict Terry. That is wrong. terry should be judged on what was said, what can be proved to be said and witnesses are just an add on to tip the balance.
Thanks again for the heads up though mate.
@United Till I Die
Well said on the Nani matter.
Utd till i die – it’s a shame that nani isn’t supported more. I’ll always srick to the notion that nani, at his best, ranks amongst the world class wide men out there. He can single handedly drag a team to victory, those players are difficult to find. I hope united can somehow sort the nani issue out but if not, i’ll look on as he stars for another top team.
Goat … no worries mate. I didn’t think you were defending him, btw. I agree that having been found not guilty (or no case to answer, whatever) in a court of law, it seems a little like ‘double jeopardy” to be hauled up before the FA. That said, though, I suppose it’s a bit like what happens in some professions: a court might find that a doctor, lawyer or accountant has no legal case to answer, but the person is still subject to “punishment” by their professional body. When you “sign up” to work under the auspices of such a body, then you are agreeing to be subject to their decisions and to abide by their rulings, so on that basis, I don’t think Terry can have any complaint about it.
Also, though I am not sure about the UK, in some jurisdictions you may be found not guilty in criminal court but can still be liable in civil court, which may also have different standards etc. Personally, I never quite understood how that isn’t double jeopardy … but then I remember the case of OJ Simpson (who was somehow found not guilty in criminal law but was later “convicted” in civil court), and then I shut up, because that bastard was most definitely guilty!
Anyway, cheers.
Goat, you’re far off as usual. The FA as with any private organisation is and should be allowed to police their own members. Evidence of criminal conduct is always held to a much higher standard in a criminal court and a verdict must be found beyond a reasonable doubt as opposed to the standards of a civil matter or private tribunal. Evidence that might not be admissible in a criminal proceeding had much greater leeway to be admitted in a civil matter as well. Whether you think it should be is (much like the rest of your opinions) irrelevant.
Why is it that people still do not understand that Terry was charged by the FA under a different charge than the one from civil court. The FA charged him for abusive language, whole Anton tried to get him for racists abusive. They are different. The lawyers of Anton got it wrong and hence Terry got off. Had the lawyers of Anton went for a more general abusive language charge, they could well have gotten Terry for something.
all they miss is just one RVP type player.. bein a United fan i feel soo guilty.. cause i always had a soft spot for Arsenal..
Marq … the criminal case against Terry had nothing to do with “Anton’s lawyers”. Criminal cases in the UK are brought by the Crown Prosecution Service, which is a Government service. It is the CPS’s job to decide what charges to lay. They may, as you say, have gotten it wrong, but they obviously felt they had enough evidence to proceed on that charge.
As noted in the FA’s report, the Chief Magistrate did not have access to the evidence that cast doubt on Cole’s story (or should I say, “stories”). That evidence was not presented to him, because the CPS either didn’t have it (most likely) or chose not to use it. According to the FA’s tribunal, had that evidence been presented to the magistrate, there was every likelihood that the magistrate would have disregarded Cole’s testimony, and in their opinion, that likely have changed the outcome of the court case.
Lawyers acting for a private party, such as Anton, can’t bring criminal charges, only civil lawsuits.
@StatesideAussie
Thanks for the info. The overall picture does not change though, for Anton’s case they went for the jackpot and missed while the FA took a safer approach to make sure Terry couldn’t dispute the charges. All I am saying is the whole idea of Terry getting let off for the court case doesn’t mean anything to the FA charge, because it is a totally different charge. So people need to stop banging on the suggestion that the FA is over-writing the court ruling, which is not true.
@Goat – I don’t see why a professional organisation can’t sanction it’s members regardless of what a court of law says. As an employee of Chelsea and a playing professional in a professinal league, there are standards and codes of conduct to be abided by. If the FA sees fit it has every right to discipline it’s members.
Ashely definitely a big scumbag of all time. Who can ever cheat so beautiful Cheryl Cole ?
That individual phenomenal goal against Chelsea in the Capital one cup should convince Fergie how valuable Nani and how important he is!!!!!again I don’t think we will sell him or swap him for Theo, that would be a blasphemy in my opinion!
@WeAreUnited
Nani is not rubbish as some would like you to believe on here. Seems he is appreciated more by fans of the opposition than some of our own.
He is one of the most skillful and unpredictable players at United. At times he is frustrating consistantly hitting the first man on every corner. The man just needs a good run in the team.
@andromeda
I’d rather play Bebe then get Theo Walcott. He is shite. Wants to play as a striker through the middle? At United he wouldn’t even get a look in.
Cheers lads! and Judging by the latest performance Le Arse need Nani more than we do!
If Henry and RVP had the talent to go from wingers to strikers, Nani can definitely make the same transition. im hoping the media are adding 2+2 and making 5 here like they normally do. We’d be mugging ourselves letting Wenger make him a better player. The only advantage Walcott would bring is his nationality!