The Spirit of Shankly Supporters Union should be a good thing. Only this week did I look at how pathetic the majority of Liverpool fans had been in reaction to their Yank takeover, but this union is nothing but a disgrace that does not deserve to associate itself with a great manager, and man, Bill Shankly.
You see, Shankly was a big fan of our Sir Matt, who came so close to losing his life, like eight of our players, following the tragedy of Munich, and would be horrified to see how people who associate themselves with him are behaving.
We all know that chants exist, that go back and forth, about Munich and Hillsborough. You’ve got a screw lose if you think it’s acceptable to poke fun at innocent people dying, but of course, after years of them singing about Munich, some of our fans couldn’t quite manage to rise above singing about their disaster after it occurred. A sick kind of pay back time.
Regardless, these fans are in the minority, for both clubs. But then when at the end of season do, you’ve got your supporters’ union chanting and singing about one of these disasters, you’ve got to take a long hard look at your club and your supporters, and what you stand for, and wonder what the fuck went wrong. Shankly would be rolling in his grave if he could see how the vermin who belong to his club behave. This isn’t the odd fan, a small minority, this is their supporters’ union end of season party.
“Our aim, as the Liverpool Supporters’ Union, is to represent our members, our fellow Liverpool fans. This is our chance, as fans, to stand together and speak with one voice, on the issues that we want to talk about.”
Spirit of Shankly end of season do
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Before you get too angry though, remember that pity is a probably a far more healthier emotion. Thank fuck we’re not them! Low life vermin whose own supporters’ union is rotten to the core. But can you imagine the uproar if this was us? Can you imagine how this country would react if at the MUST do we were singing about Hillsborough??
Regardless this happened two weeks ago and ‘Spirit of Shankly’ made a statement to “condemn” the behaviour once the videos made the internet. Apparently this was an “unscheduled performance” and they will “increase back-stage security for future events” to prevent this from happening again. What a load of bollocks. It’s funny how this “impromptu performance” was allowed to go on and on though, with no SOS organisers making any attempt to get him off stage and stop him from singing about Munich. They want to distance themselves from it now it’s all over the internet, but clearly at the time, they weren’t so bothered! What a fucking embarrassment. Same old scousers.
If I was a Liverpool fan I’d want shut of this SOS as soon as possible and I hope all those hundreds/thousands of fans who signed up with their £10 feel sick about it now. I’m sure Shankly’s granddaughter, Karen Gill, isn’t feeling too great either after giving them her full backing. If the national press do choose to run with this story (which we can’t rely on! We should remember how them defacing our stadium with Munich and Shipman graffiti was played down, with the FA picking up the tab for the clean-up job and no punishment being handed to their fans! Had we written about their tragedy all over Anfield our fans would probably have been banned from away matches!) then it really will drag SOS, and as a consequence, Liverpool FC, through the dirt. These are the people speaking to all the rags on a daily basis at the moment, airing their opinion on behalf of Liverpool fans. And they are the same people who sing Munich at their official functions. Shameful.
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Words fail me. Filthy fuckin Scouse vermin. Horrible horrible cunts! What a great set of fans the dippers are. Get fucked, this should be in the main sports news today and show the world what “great fans ” them rat eating scum are.
My English hearing isn’t good.Especially when it comes to Scouse accents.What does the song say?I did make out the Munich chants at the beginning.
Words fail me. Filthy fuckin Scouse vermin. Horrible horrible cunts! What a great set of fans the dippers are. Get fucked, this should be in the main sports news today and show the world what “great fans ” them rat eating scum are.
This will really stir up a hornets nest Scott !
“Spirit of Shankly (SOS) is aware that video footage has been posted on the internet from the SOS End of season party on 24th May 2009. This footage shows an unscheduled performance which the SOS Events Commitee had no prior knowledge of. The Events Committee will endeavour to increase back-stage security for future events to ensure impromptu performances like this do not happen again. We are sincerely sorry for anybody who has been offended by this footage, and we do not condone such behaviour.”
Disgraceful and pathetic excuse.
these people who sing about Munich, Hillsborough or any other tragedy have no values in life. as Drog would say, they are a fucking disgrace.
i begged yesterday you wouldnt post this video i watched less than a min of it last night and had to turn it off.
i try to get as many manchester united chants sent to me via footballchants.com because of emilys videos and i am really happy that i havent heard one chant about Hillsborough
im sure they are out there
but i dont want to know them
dont want to hear them
and dont want to be near people who sing them
but this is not the first munich chant ive ever heard
and its a disgrace
It is bare worth commenting on, I bet Talksport the BBC won’t mention this as they are the media darlings, real football fans no what the people are, disgusting vermin.
Not even surprised. Vermin.
the press won’t dare touch a negative liverpool story. they know how sensitive they are.
my computer cannot play videos but i can imagine what it is like…
GHTT- forgot to say your videos brightened my day after we were beaten by barcelona!
just managed to watch it.
and it shows just how pathetic they really are.
sad sad bunch of vermin.
it doesn’t annoy me, just makes me glad im not a scouser and my team have class.
doncobaino thats what they are there for:)
Get that video to the national newsdesks.
tpyical scousers, if that had been at a united party it would have made national news fuks sake
@rc7 i what they are saying is true
then when the first munich chants where said
and he said he was gonna sing a song that that was the couras then why didnt the sos runners kick him off the fucking stage and into the trafford inn
inbred scouse vermin.
self pity chavs but when it comes to Munich they have no remose.
Shankley was a massive fan of Busby, so not only do they disrespect United they disrespect their own idols aswel. dumb fucks
Stuff like this just increases my love for manchester united and makes my resolve stronger…seige mentality needed! ppl like tht dont warrant any reponse par condemnation, but well done scott for putting it on, it just highlights the hipocrisy within the media when this stuff doesnt get highlighted by the national rags…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDzV7Ek0gAk
oh liverpool(emily video by the way no bitching)
I presume the song is about Munich?I can’t amke out the lyrics.If it is,it’s pathetic.But then again,these are the same fans who were doing aeroplane impersonations outside OT.
I hope that makes the national news.
anyoine ever seen this wanker on a football pitch against a team from manchester doing the “wings” shit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVgzcOWjI9I
AlphaRS – So do I mate but not a fuckin chance of that.
King Eric – The ABU media won’t even give this a second look. But it it was the other way round….
AlphaRS – Of course they would, Collybore the dogging wife beater would make sure it was the main topic of discussion on TalkShite!
When i think of all the idiots who present talksport i do wonder why i have it on in the car. beats the g/f music anyway! i only have it on the way to work just to pick up the latest..and if tevez doesnt go to city they are gonna look even more stupid…most annoying pundits anyone?
My top 5
1 alan green
2 andy gray
3 jim beglin
4 chris waddle
5 davis pleat Zzzzzzz
Im sure thers so many more tht deserve a mention! help!
ps- bring back big ron!
davis pleat lol
It is pretty despicable. Not only are they tarnishing our name yet again, they fail to realise that when singing about Munich they are mocking Busby, a good friend of Shanks.
I’m sure they’ll justify it with some pathetic nonsense about being drunk, etc, but that’s not what you expect from a so called profesional union, and wouldn’t stop the outrage had it been the other way around.
That said, this Scott The Red is a snide and proffessional troll who has a few websites under various names, all designed to bait LFC fans and get hits. I doubt he’s even a Man Utd fan.
Apologies to any genuine Man Utd lads out there. Although a minority, this behaviour is rampant among the so called ‘hardcore’ fans who claim to speak for the rest of us.
Word cannot describe how much i hate these scum bags
Without killing anyone we won it three times in moscow?
Not whiter than white, so by doing articles like this look pathetic.
Manchester United football club its players and supporters are just as bad, so maybe you should think twice about the moral high ground.
1. Alan Green (SAF has told him to fuck off)
2. Gary Lineker (ex-spurs, ex-everton, big eared cunt who SAF has told to fuck off).
3. Alan Hansen (YSB)
4. Mark Lawrenson (YSB)
5. Phil Thompson (YSB)
Seems like all are embittered for one reason or another.
@shakermaker
Pleat (kerb crawler) was also on the committee that banned Evra over the Battle of the Bridge incident earlier this season.
Why do people think calling Liverpool fans murderers for what they did to those Juve fans is the same as singing about innocent people who lost their lives?
Without killing anyone, we’ve won it three times. That is directed at the fans who killed people, not poking fun at innocent people who died. Liverpool FC officially blamed the events of Heysel on fucking Chelsea fans! We are just making them acknowledge something they denied having anything to do with until 2005 when they actually finally managed to appologise… something they have been campaigning for West Yorkshire police to do for roughly the same amount of time! Asking for justice for Hillsborough after their denial of Heysel! Sick.
Cunts.
Some bizarro logic going on there. What a classy guy, eh…
It takes a special kind of sickness to make fun of innocent people being killed but hey, we are talking about red scousers. They are disrespecting the memory of Shankley with this crap but they are so thick they can’t see it.
Shankly.
Shankly, yes thanks Cally, still true about red scousers though!
I didnt think it was possible to hate the more until today!
Utd fans would be slammed for doing this
Then these fucking numpties wonder why they are hated not just by us but by most of the footballing world.
We are not angels by any means but we dont do this sort of shit.
And Bill Shankly’s name is associated with this, i am sure his family are very happy and proud to be a part of this crap.
I really shouldn’t be surprised by this to be honest afterall its repeated every year and this city was City of culture? should have been City of Vultures, far more fitting.
scott i replyed to the sam,e “without killing someone” chany on you tube and to show the type of brain that support these chants this is what i got sent back
iseeredcocks
you are a fucking turd. – the wall fell down in heysel because belgian bricklayers are so shit.
about as shit as you are in bed – your missus said so.
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=5621
I’ve been e-mailing broadsheet journos today to see if any of them dare touch it. One United supporting journo says he’s going to try and give it a mention. Let’s not hold our breath though.
We’d be strung up for doing this!
Liverpool fans give a good account of themselves in this thread: http://forums.thisisanfield.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30308&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=50
It’s good to see there are those who agree SOS is a fucking embarrassment to the club and Shankly.
As a lifelong Liverpool fan and season ticket holder for over 23 years I can swear with a hand on my heart that I have never witnessed with my own eyes (or ears) any Liverpool fans chanting, goading or disrespecting the memory of Munich.
So whilst I’m in no way trying to defend any of the yobs who do, what I am standing up for are the 99.9% of real fans who have far too much human dignity to allow a rivaly (‘hatred’ in footballing terms) descend into such mindless and sickening gestures.
These wankers are the exception, not the rule.
scot wasent it south yorkshire police? not west yorkshire? that liverpool fans want to apologise
Stephen – whilst I understand your viewpoint completely, as it is the one I would give when accused by Liverpool fans about singing about Hillsborough, the circumstances are now different.
Whilst I’d like to think the viewpoints of these people at SOS are the minority amongst your fans, you have to acknowledge that this is your supporters’ union. They’re not just the odd yob outside a pub in Anfield on a Saturday night, rather the organisation which represents your fans. These are the people who are being quoted daily in the newspapers at the moment in response to the situation with the Yanks on BEHALF of you.
Stephen
fair enough your not one of the wankers who do it, but the whole of the liverpool away section where singing munich chants on the concourse in Old Trafford this season, there was a video realeased about it, not to mention the blow up planes brought in and the constant aeroplane arm gestures.
theres far to many liverpool fans who do it to say its just a majority.
I have seen with my own eyes Liverpool fans with their arms stretched out wide like the wings of a plane, sorry as usual not your fault was it Chelsea fans again?
Haha, Kanwar the fucking weirdo.
how did chelsea fans get blamed on it if the match had nothing to do with chelsea i dont get that bit
This SOS video is startling. It’s reminiscent of when some sleazy organisation such as the BNP that’s trying to gain respectability with its public face, has its true nature exposed by secret filming. It even looks like some scuzzy little Nazi rally. I’m glad to see decent Liverpool fans are expressing their disgust. As everyone is saying, Bill Shankly would have been very distressed and angry at this behaviour. Apart from anything else, Matt Busby , who so nearly lost his life at Munich, was a very fine player at Liverpool, and always spoke well of his time at the club. I hope the national press take this issue up, but I somehow fear they won’t. As others have said, if United fans were behaving like this over Hillsborough the whole world would know by now.
Was that at me GHTT?
it was at anyone who could clear it up for me
i dont get the middle bit
liverpool fans v juve fans
juve fans die
chelsea fans blamed
i dont see how
but liverpool fans must have had a reason
GHTT – The Liverpool chairman at the time, John Smith, claimed that Chelsea fans had travelled to Heysel for the match to cause trouble.
Do these idiots still live in this world? Oh i forgot…its the Scousers in their vermin city, after all.
Twats and lemmings spring to mind
@GHTT: It’s rule number 1 whenever a team tries to wash it’s hands off crowd obstructions.Somehow,someway the rival fans made it to the scene of the crime in order to sabotage the team’s own fans who meant no harm.
I’m surprised we’re surprised, liverpool fans are notoriously narrow minded, and their heightened state of jealousy towards our club is hardly subtle at the moment.. let them at it,, sad small little men that they are!!
oh my fucking word scott
and your saying they stuck to this story till only a few years ago
thats as shocking as the video of the sos party
GHTT, as you know nothing is ever their fault.
stephen , are you not a lifelong liverpool fan.
but i know nothing is the fault of a bunch of there fans
but this weekend im going on a stags of a liverpool fan and this is a guy who took the day off work last febuary to watch the munich mass with me because it effected him because of the loss of liam whelan being an irish football fan
they’re never to blame unless they need a chant against everton
” 2 nil to the murders “
The bottom line is, Utd fans sing songs just as bad about Istanbul, Hysel and Hillsborough and we cant really come out and condone this.
The way they refer to calling us Munich is no worse than us calling them Murderers, Bindippers, thieves etc.
Whilst the bloke singing is stood on a stage as a SOS act, he doesnt actually start the Munich chant, he simply follows the crowd.
Listen to chants at old Trafford when we play LFC and you will hear a lot worse, with sections singing “96 was not enough” or “The sun was right, your murderers”, yet that does not make the singing representative of MUFC.
The Champions league screenings organised by utd supporters groups had groups of Utd fans singing songs about 96 not being enough etc, yet that wasnt the fault of the organisers.
Its all well and good us all jumping on th moral bandwagon, but we look like a bunch of bitter tools by trying to highlight this in the press etc, when as time goes by, we sing a lot worse and Liverpool fans themselves sing a lot worse.
As for “without killing anyone, we won it 3 times”, history has showed that its not exactly the case and Utd fans have had a hand in deaths of other football supporters over the years.
tufty
they refer to themselves as murders as i said before they chanted 2 nil to the murders when they were beating them by that score
“This SOS video is startling. It’s reminiscent of when some sleazy organisation such as the BNP that’s trying to gain respectability with its public face, has its true nature exposed by secret filming. It even looks like some scuzzy little Nazi rally”.
Thought exactly the same thing myself Giles.
GHTT – Two “Stephens” have posted. One is our usual Stephen the other is the lifelong dipper fan.
ah
thanks king eric
@King Eric : thanks for that clearance mate. i was left confused, lol
I read the article and was in absolutely full agreement with you all the way up until you tried to argue the case that “Won it 3 Times…”, and I would guess all other “Murderer/Heysel” chants, are perfectly acceptable. By all means point out how sick and uncalled for these Munich and Hillsborough chants are and to condemn all who sing them but lets not try to pretend Heysel chants fall into a lesser category and are not as bad.
The whole article was ruined by the ludicrous suggestion that songs about Heysel are acceptable, simply on the basis that they do not directly refer to the dead, and it is used to merely point out the bad in scousers.
Dress it up however you like but the chants of “Murders” and “Justice for the 39″ is still using the dead to score points. They are without doubt equally as bad as these chants of “Munich” or “You killed your own fans”, and to argue your case for them or to try to explain them away on a technicality is as disgraceful as the singing in the video above.
This is exactly why I feel both sets of fans should get their own houses in order first, let alone the oppositions fans, because nothing will change if we continue to try to excuse such behaviour, and lets face it, you have tried to do just that.
is this not the 20th anniversary of the hillsborough disaster? fuckin hypocrisy, im really not surprised by it – SOS= MY KITCHEN SINK SCUM
I just have complete and utter contempt for ANY fan who sings about a death…. much as I despise Liverpool, Chelsea and in particular them cunts from the Emirates, I still wouldn’t rejoice in hearing that some fan had died…….
Fucking scouse vermin…!
Fucking hypocritical scouse vermin cunts.
Us singing without killing anyone has nothing to do with Hillsborough. It’s our way of reminding these sad,self proclaimed ‘best fans in the world’ just what their own supporters did at Heysel. THEY MURDERED 39 JUVENTUS FANS. Hillsborough has fuck all to do with it. If Hillsborough had never happened we could still sing that song.
Anyone for a minute’s silence???
Tufty – if SOS didn’t agree with what he was doing, then they could have gone up there and stopped him.
The equivalent would be at a MUST event us having someone on stage with a microphone performing a song and chanting HILLSBOROUGH! So you talking about fans at the ground or in pubs or anywhere else singing the Liverpool songs is incomparable. We all know fans of both clubs sing about Hillsborough and Munich. There are loads of videos on YouTube of Liverpool and Leeds fans singing about Munich, and I dismiss those… the way you’re dismissing this.
The whole point of this is that it isn’t just a random fan or a random group of fans, it is an event run by an organisation claiming to be the voice of Liverpool fans, who have been quoted in every paper in the country over the past week speaking on behalf of Liverpool fans. They have been taken seriously as Liverpool FC’s voice. And they had a man on stage singing down a microphone about Munich.
Reading Liverpool forums, their general opinion is in agreement with the majority of fans on here. They’re embarrassed and disgusted. It amazes me that a United fan would actually come on here and defend what the SOS have done and bend the truth to make out like we have done exactly the same, which is bollocks! The fact that the scousers can see that and you can’t is unsettling.
You’d think the irony of these being fans of a club that annually mourns 96 deceased fans would be evident enough in their tiny minds
They’re a mockery to the memory of Bill Shankly, the Hillsborough dead, and to their football club in general. They give ordinary, sane Liverpool fans additional reasons to mourn.
Giles said It looks like some kind of Nazi Rally – I agree but that doesn´t surprise me being that the scousers are the most racist sad fucks anyway.
This video just reinforces my hate of them, and their dirty scouse accent really grates on my nerves.
Couldn´t watch more than 30 seconds of this video.
Disgusting < Scouser
I see Cally is back. Ain’t heard from you since you were top of league at Xmas. Or was it after our “bad run” of two games when you were convinced you would catch us? I can’t recall. Scum cunts.
Costas I don’t think you are alone mate in not understanding the “lyrics”. Most of England don’t understand them with their horrible, disgusting, daft accents, spitting over every cunt. They make me sick to the core.
Yeah, you are probably right King Eric. I did make them out yelling Munich every once in a while during the song and that was enough.18 titles and that’s a fact.Apparently it hurt more than we imagined.
The comments that any red scouser makes about Munich are ironic in that very few red scousers would have ever seen the Busby Babes play.
In the mid 50s when UTd were on the rise ‘Pool were well and truly mired in the old 2nd Division. They didn’t get back into the 1st Division until 1962. In those days the only football games shown on TV was a highlights show late on Saturday nights, with no more than about 4 or 5 minutes devoted to any one game. The only ‘live’ club game shown regularly on TV was the FA Cup Final. The only ‘live’ competitive club game I can recall being on TV at that time was the European Cup semi-final between UTD and R Madrid in April 1957.
I doubt if there’s any more than a handful of red shit-throwers who would have seen the Babes ‘in the flesh’.
Just hoping that their financial problems get worse. Would love to see them at the top of the table and then get a 10 point penalty for being in administration.
I have to say that i find all songs that refer to deaths at a game unnecessary and sick. Fot us to complain about Leeds, Liverpool et al. singing about Munich whilst we sing about tragedies that they have been involved in is a case of kettle, black etc. & I agree that we should get our own house in order before we complain about others. I also get a bit tired of hearing about how the stadium wasn’t up to scratch and that is the reason why the Juventus fans died. So, for all Liverpool fans who are still in deniel a simple laws of physics lesson. Are you sitting up straight and listening? Prior to tragedy the wall had no pressure on it so therefore was standing. Liverpool fans attempt to attack Juventus fans who try to move away. Pressure is put on wall. Wall unable to take pressure collapses and thus killing 59 Juventus fans. So, in conclusion, before Juventus fans charged by Liverpool fans, wall was safe and standing and therefore not a safety issue. Now, the arguement(sic!) that liverpool fans charged Juventus fans due to gestures, objects thrown etc are an invalid excuse as you are in charge of your behaviours and no one can make you react that way. Your behaviour of charging Juventus fans caused an opposite reaction, therefore if you had reacted in that long held ideal of a scouser as a ‘jolly scallywag’ you would not have reacted with violent intent, and the wall would not have had undue pressure put on it. Also laws of physics dictate that for every reaction there is an opposite reaction so if the wall hadn’t collapsed then all the pressure would have gone on the Juventus fans at the front (al la Hillsborough) and they would have been crushed to death. So as you can see, your violent reaction caused the deaths of 59 Juventus fans regardless of the wall collapsing or not. Class dismissed!
I couldnt watch more than a minute of that. Im hoping this really makes the national press and I for one will spread it around wherever I can in the hope it gets noticed and shows these scummy cunts up for what they really are.
There are a large number of people on Liverpool message boards who have no time for the SOS group and will condem whatever they have done.
Im not saying that this singing is acceptable, but its not as bad as we are actually making out. (The bloke could have played the classic Liverpol song of Whos that dying on the runway”).
Watch the clip again and look closely.
At the start of the song, its a few, yes a few, people in the crowd who chant Munich, the singer then gets carried away by it and gives it a few more chants. The song he sings is not a song about Munich/Utd/Mancs, its about Liverpools Euro cup win, however some people give it a chant of “Munich” during the chorus, although its not everyone doing it.
Lots of Utd supporters events have had groups of fans singing about 96 not being enough, murderers etc, even songs about Leeds fans in Istanbul.
Certain sections of Utd fans sing it at pubs hoe and away whilst under the banner of mUFC. The majority of Old Trafford last season sung “The Sun was right, your murderers” when we played Liverpool, which could clearybe heard on TV, which is a wider audience than this clip will ever see.
At the end of the day, we are as bad as each other and we cant take the moral high ground whilst we sing demeaning songs about them.
Billabongbob – you need to read your post again and look at a few facts.
Just because a wall has no pressure on it, does not make it safe. The wall design has to withstand pressure.
59 Juventus fans did not die, the total death rate was 39, of which the majority were Italian (Think one english and a dutch lad also killed, but not 100% sure on that). As for the behaviour of the Liverpool fans, Utd fans back in the day werent exactly Angels!
Can’t take your comments seriously Scott; you justify songs/comments about ‘murderers’ while condemning Pool fans for their songs/comments. You say it’s inappropriate for a supporters union to act in this way yet you & your site are massively popular & inadvertently represent a large chunk of Utd fans.
It’s very much ‘pot & kettle’ as was noted repeatedly above and brings down the tone of an otherwise fantastic website.
The hate in football will rumble on so-long as this kind of guff is bandied around.
Tufty – I agree our fans are as bad as each other, but that’s not what this is. Search “who’s that dying on the runway” on YouTube and a few videos come up. You just have to dismiss that as mindless idiots, which we have our fair share of. But SOS are being billed as the voice of Liverpool fans and under a banner of ‘Spirit of Shankly’ there’s a man chanting Munich! He starts the chanting when he gets on the mic before he even starts singing. SOS COULD have stopped this, told him to get off the stage, turned off his mic. But they chose not to. When MUST have a man on stage chanting ‘Hillsborough’ down a microphone to a place packed full of reds, then we’ll be as bad as them. But you can’t compare the actions of fans on the terraces to the actions of official organisations representing the club. By not getting him off the stage or making any attempt to stop him, they are condoning his behaviour.
Jig – Liverpool fans caused the death of 39 people in Heysel. We’re not poking fun at the dead or laughing at them, we’re confronting Liverpool FC with their past, a past they denied for years and still do to a certain extent. I never would and never have sung about Hillsborough, but I really don’t understand how Heysel is comparable to singing about Munich.
That’s fair enough Scott, you’re well entitled to your opinion on the issue. I just think chants that relate to deaths are in bad taste and would like to think we are above it all. I don’t think Sir Matt would be proud of our ‘murderers’ banners but it’s just my opinion.
Lets set the standards of taste and decency and fuck all those that fall short. Piss taking should stop at the cemetary gates. In the words of the meerkat – Simples
Jig – I don’t think Sir Matt would be proud of them, who is? They’re not something to take pride in for anyone. They are simply showing Liverpool fans what they have done after their own chairman claimed they didn’t. Like I said, people might regard that poor taste. It would be kinder to sweep it under the carpet like they did, but it is a statement about the fans, not about the innocents who lost their lives. How that can be seen as the same act as laughing at and taunting us over Munich just does not compute with me at all, but whatever, agree to disagree.
The man with the mic doesnt start the chanting, he simply joins in with what a few people in the audience chant, probably getting carried away with his 5 mins on stage and the audience giving him applause.
Just because an event is organised by a group of people, it does not mean they have full control over what artists sing or the audience sing and in most cases, pulling the mic etc would only lead to more abuse from the audience. The chanting at old Tarfford at matches is done under the banner of MUFC and the backdrop of the club, yet they dont have control over whats said/sung.
The song he sings is not about munich, its about liverpool winning the European Cup in different citys.
On the anniversary of the Hilsborough disaster, hundreds of reds sung songs in Porto bars about Liverpopol fans dying, yet 12 months earlier we wanted respect from other clubs for Munich and yes, those clips are on youtube for the wider world to see.
By calling on press etc to make a public shaming on this is actually embarassing, its like childish name calling in the playground.
Far to many Utd fans have an obsession with Liverpool and spend far to much time singing about them or studying what they get up to.
“Far to many Utd fans have an obsession with Liverpool and spend far to much time singing about them or studying what they get up to.”
Isn’t your manager obsessed about our club?
Tufty – you again keep talking about what fans are doing in pubs. As I have already said, several times, we all know that goes on and it’s wrong. But that has nothing to do with the problem here. How do you police 1000s of fans in a football ground? How do police 100s of people in pubs? You can’t. But you can police events like this. Tell him to get off the stage or turn the mic off, it’s not difficult.
The secretary of SOS has posted on Liverpool message boards saying they were there, they knew it was wrong, but they did nothing. He even claimed they wanted to pull out his mic but didn’t know how to! It’s ridiculous.
If this had been at a MUST event it would have already made the national press.
Tufty – For a United fan you seem to be going to great lengths to stick up for the dippers. Can you not get what Scott is saying?
“But you can police events like this. Tell him to get off the stage or turn the mic off, it’s not difficult.”
hundreds of pissed up fans in that kind of mood, its not that easy. ive worked at gigs in small venues when weve had to pull the plug because of homophobic/racist songs being played unannounced. you dont just get an awwwwww put it back on, if the crowd are ale fuelled it causes problems. i 100% condemn the chanting and i hope the artist never gets work again but having read all the comments i cant help but think your article has turned into a your worse than us type of arguement and one that someone quite rightly described as a school yard type behaviour. both sets of fans say they dont agree with their fellow supporters doing it but then follow up with ah but its not as bad as them. The chanting, be it of hillsborough, the munich disaster or even the bradford fire is sick full stop and i have no time for these so called fans at all and also i find it hard to understand the fans who, as i said above, condemn it then straightaway say well they do it. chanting will go on and no dount there will be another disaster one day and songs will be sung. There is now and always has been and will be rivalry in football, ive been, for my sins, an oldham athletic fan for 52 years and came across this subject via my grandson looking at oldham ath on newsnow.
Liverpool fan here. There is noone i know, or anyone I have heard singing about Munich, and I wont watch that video. It is probably like all the others about just about every tragedy that has blighted human football that mock – sickening. Spirit Of Shankley have done themselves no favours at all, with Liverpool fans or Man Uniteds. Theres an argument 13 pages long on Liverpools e-season forum raging about the whole thing, and how Spirit Of Shankley have half heartedly tried to apologise. They will never have my backing, and Im sorry for the hurt caused. But dont tar all Liverpool supporters with the same brush. We all know its a fucking moronic minority who chant these things, just as it with with all the sick things in life.
So sorry again.
Rob – I’ve read through a few of the Liverpool forums today and the general opinion is in agreement with you, which is pleasing to see.
What makes this so bad though is that these people claim to be the voice of Liverpool FC fans, which is why it is so much worse than it being just some moron on the street.
The sooner the fans pull away from SoS the better. If they can’t even organise a party I dread to think how they plan on getting rid of the Yanks!
Scott: To me Spirit Of Shankly have never been the ‘voice of Liverpool FC’. The voice of Liverpool FC is Liverpool FC in my eyes. And their rep isn’t going to improve with this debacle.
It really depresses me to see this kind of thing. You can see the nasty side of football all over facebook, youtube etc. Id love to set up a unified site dedicated to tackling it all but wouldnt know where to start.
having read this article i find scott the red to be a total hypocrite.
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/2009/06/liverpool_and_m.html
Its remarkable that two clubs who have both suffered and have such proud histories hate each other to such a shocking extent. It is rivalry gone too far. I love having banter with one of my best mates who is a man u fan, the other who is an arsenal fan so less relevant currently, but its not like we chant shit like this at eachother. Football is a sport that is meant to be enjoyed.
Im not sticking up for the dippers, Im loking at it in the reality of what it actually is and in comparison to what goes on at United games home and away week in and week out and at united events which involve Utd supporters, beer and singing.
As for a liverpool fan to claim they have never heard a munich chant, then they have never been to a game then.
Check out footgae from Old Trafford in season 2007/2008 and the goals from that game, 10 seconds before and just as Utd score, all you can hear from the liverpool end is “Whos that dying on the runway”.
As Mel has stated, its not that easy to pull someone from doing a performance and given the morons in the crowd, then they would have probably burst into Munich songs once it was pulled.
The same with the idiots who sung Murderers songs etc in the MUST organised events screening the Champions league final.
Mel – Read all Scotts post on this and it does not compare. The dippers openly sang “2-0 to the murderers” when they were beating Everton. We are having a go at them because they are responsible for killing 39 Juve fans. It is NOT a dig at the dead.
Eric: Either way its pathetic, to be honest.
The dippers sang “2-0 to the murderers” in the same way as we sing “Were shit and were 1-0 up”. Its done as a way of throwing back a taunt in your face. Originally we sung “Who the fuck are Man Utd” as a way of hitting back to that chant, its now time we erverted back to our original one of “glory, Glory” (Although Spurs will claim its theres), as its far more classy.
Tufty – those things are NOT comparable.
It’s wrong for US to make light of Heysel but it’s totally acceptable for them, the club who did it, to use “murderers” in an ironic sense? Do me a fucking favour.
The fact they called themselves “murderers” highlights their feelings on the issue. They would NEVER make light of Hillsborough, just like we’d never refer to ourselves as “Munichs”.
they are comparable is that both acts are despicable, and should have nothing to do with the modern game.
Rob – You are right.
Tufty – I actually prefer the “who the fuck are Man Utd” chant,I like the irony. Off topic I know but had to tell you mate!
Im a Liverpool Fan and have missed a handful of games home or away over the past 35 years and was at Heysel and Hillsborough, I am also a member of Spirit of Shankly (SOS) an personally know many of the SOS committee.
Genuinely, this was a serious messup and was not planned in any way, the singer turned up towards the end of the party, went on stage and sang a few good LFC songs and just tagged this one at the end.
I havnt spoke with the SOS lads about this so my guess is that it might have been easier at that point to let him finish and try to contain it, rather than drag him off and risk unrest as the place was bouncing.
Anyhow, its certainly not something to be proud of and you can be sure it wont happen again.
Anyone out there think its possible to get our heads together and make this Munich, Heysel and Hillsborough (chronological order) stuff go away or at least tone it all down?
How about getting MUST and SOS together at a neutral venue and laying down some ground rules, I think we keep our idiots on a leash, how about your lot?
Apologies to you United fans, this should not have happened.
Surely the “Where’s your famous Munich song” chant is just as bad as Liverpool fans singing “2:0 to the murderers”, no matter how ironic they are supposed to be.
Alan – Fair play to your comments pal.
On a lighter note,
Q. What have Aex Ferguson, Susan Boyle and David Moyes got in common ?
A. They are all miserable ugly sweatys who recently got stuffed in a final.
I’m a Liverpool fan and I just want to echo what others have said. The chant was a disgrace. The failure to stop it was a disgrace. The half-hearted “apology” was a disgrace. Most Liverpool fans I know were already cynical about this SOS group, but now they’re finished. They were set up, and got some support, to try to get rid of the jokers who own our club, but they haven’t even done anything on that score for months.
Like 99% of supporters I think trying to score cheap points using the deaths of innocent people is pathetic. To some extent, its a problem all clubs have, and I think we all have a responsibility to challenge this kind of behaviour amongst people who claim to support our clubs.
Inevitably, Heysel has reared its head in this thread and I just want to make a quick point about it. Whilst the efforts of some to deny the involvement of Liverpool “supporters” is embarrassing, hooliganism was a problem that affected all of English football at the time. To me, the hooligans, whatever shirts they were wearing, were not football fans. I am not comfortable with the idea that I personally should be labelled a murderer because of, or take responsibility for, the actions of hooligans who were wearing Liverpool shirts.
I personally have no problem with the “Without killing anyone” tee shirt but I do know a lot of people who will.
Just dont kick off when someone comes up with a 5 star “Without crashing anything” tee shirt.
Typical of the lpool fans, I fully expect there to be a justice for the 39 any day soon.
Maybe that sue johnson and ricky tomlinson will come onto the pitch again and start giving it large about them? while those loveablescousers all sing along to some crappy song from a musical
Tufty, thanks for the correction – a typo, however it doesn’t change the fact that people died because of an over reaction. Yes the wall should have taken the pressure but then as I stated if it hadn’t then possibly more would have died, what does annoy me and plenty of others though is the constant deniel that they had any thing to do with the deaths. And no, United fans of that era were not angels and hadn’t been for many years as I can remember plenty of games in the 70′s were violence was the norm at matches so for us to say that we hold the moral ground either on violent fans or chants/songs stance is a bit like the kettle calling the pot black. All clubs have fans that will chant songs that are improper, politically incorrect and until th majority make a stand against it it will continue. Let’s get our own house in order 1st before we get uppity about other teams supporters.
Let me get this right Bob, you want all football fans to stand up against politically incorect songs, thats lunacy (and thats probably politically incorrect)
” Prior to tragedy the wall had no pressure on it so therefore was standing. Liverpool fans attempt to attack Juventus fans who try to move away. Pressure is put on wall. Wall unable to take pressure collapses and thus killing 59 Juventus fans. So, in conclusion, before Juventus fans charged by Liverpool fans, wall was safe and standing and therefore not a safety issue”
Go forward to Rome 2007, Scholes scores utd fans attempt to attack Roma supporters, the fence is secure unlike Heysel, the police retaliate mancs crying all the way home and all over the media, there but for the grace of god go I.
dont think that all red fans are like that, their is a natural rivalry between us except for a few idiots, i`m a scouser with a good number of manc mates so dont tarnish me with that brush, considering the number of people in the audience that night the chant isnt so front. its like in the background, nine out of ten fans their that night were disgusted at the actions of idiots
Even I as a Chelsea fan support United on this one! Some Liverpool fans are just scum, if these people take over it will be like the BNP taking over England – I mean look, on their board of members they all look like skinheads! Their main dress to a meeting is Kappa tracksuits with Reebok trainers, my 14 year old brother probably makes more money a year than most of them! Hopefully Anfield burns down with these cretins inside it and rids us of them!
Liverpool and man united have idiots on both sides,spirit of shankly represent only fans with a yob mentality,man u’s manager is a cheat who bullies refs,hard to believe shankly was a fan of busby he certainly would not be a fan of ferguson.you should get your own house in order, i have seen many horrible things at old trafford in my years following lpool.
Firstly SOS do not represent the views of all Liverpool fans, secondly they have a membership of just under 3,000. Like United, LFC have a worldwide fanbase consisting of millions these idiots in the minority hardly represent the majority worldwide do they?.
These idiots seem to have drawn the scum to them to try and give them a purpose in life, £10 buys them a shiny badge and discounted away travel which is fine but they don’t speak for me or the other decent minded ordinary Liverpool supporters.
Anybody who sings about innocent people dying is sick in the head irregardless to what team they support.
Liverpool YNWA!
You’ll Never Win Again..!!!
Again… Again… Again…
lol
anti-looserfool – Don’t really see what yesterdays result has to do with this thread?.
1. It was 3 points, the same as if we had beaten Stoke, yeah it was a great day but still 3 points at the end of the day.
2. It was good to see that the 10,000 marchers that they expected was in fact a mere 1,000 which was down on last years march by a good few thousand, true LFC fans have seen through this yob group. The well documented end of season bash they had seems to have also seen membership numbers drop due to the incident of the munich singing.
Like I said above they don’t speak for the majority as much as well all want the yank$ out.
just like to say sorry on behalf of real lfc fans not the idiots its times like these we should forget our rivalry and unite to get rid of small minded fans which tarnish the great name of our clubs we all love football and most of us care a great deal and are very passionate and it hurts when this type of childish moronic behaviour happens i hope they are punished for there actions and are not allowed upon our hallowed ground again they dont deseve too so do me a favour even lpool fans give em all a thick ear and tell them to go and crawl back under there rocks and dont bother coming back out again lol
to those of you claiming the moral high ground, take a long hard look at the people around you next time you play liverpool (and sometimes when you don’t-now there’s a difference between us and you, we are not obsessed with you as you are with us)
i’ve heard similar ant-liverpool chants every time i’ve been to your place, at our place, at Wembley,at Cardiff, on you-tube etc etc etc.
check you tube out if you want evidence….no, thought not
why are they chanting “Rooney”?
I am sick and tired of so called united fans taking the morale high ground. Lets face facts these same people sing all the time where’s you famous Munich song to Liverpool Fans!! so much respect for the victims and their familes. Also hillsbrough songs are regular events.
Also as some one who went to our game against Juventus in 1984 now what the italians are like just like the Roma fans a few years ago.
Stop spouting about the scousers and get behind united
The problem is, there is a percentage of idiots in both cities who live their limited lives within this ‘scouse-manc’ farce. Most Liverpool and United supporters are ok, they have the ability to debate, support and be passionate, but then you have the minority who have nothing else in their lives.
The people chanting Munich in that video are as bad as the United fans who chant similar things to Liverpool, all sub-human idiots.
Liverpool and Manchester are two great historic cities with two great historic, successful football clubs.
Manchester United have had the better teams and the most success over the past seventeen years and Liverpool fans have to live with that, just as United fans had to live with the previous twenty years before that when Liverpool were the most successful club. I am a Liverpool fan and it has not been easy watching United creep closer to our haul of domestic and European titles and if Ferguson does ‘Knock us off our perch’ by achieving the, currently required, nineteen League titles and six European Cups, we will just have to live with that.
Fortunately for me, my life is not riddled with contempt for a city and it’s football team. I lived in Salford for four years and the people were fine, Manchester is great and Roy Keane is my favourite non-Liverpool player ever.
I still hope United never win anything again, but I don’t want to see them in the same financial situation we are now in and I don’t want to see them suffer human loss. Maybe it is just how you are brought up? Someone has to take responsibility for the attitudes of the idiots. If I hear a Liverpool fan saying ‘I hate Mancs’ I question them why. It is embarrassing.
Fucking disgrace,
LFC Supporter.
Hope all the people involved in this video die a slow and painful death, fucking cunts