This isn’t a science. There are certain things which play a part and mean the statistics aren’t 100% fool-proof. Things to consider:
1. Away fans – How many away fans attend obviously has an impact on attendances. This doesn’t effect all clubs in exactly the same way.
2. Ticket prices – The price of tickets can determine how many people can afford to go to all the game. For example, Manchester City have cheaper tickets than Liverpool, Manchester United have cheaper tickets than Chelsea etc. City have recently tried to address this problem by selling Cup tickets for as little as £1 for children and £5 for adults.
3. Boycott – Thousands of Manchester United fans have given up their season tickets and refused to attend games since the Glazer started their ownership in 2005.
4. Capacity – For example, for Old Trafford to have no empty seats, there would have to be 76,212 people in attendance. For there to be no empty seats at White Hart Lane, there would have to be 36,310 people in attendance.
5. Segregation – Every fixture has seats taken up by segregation barriers between the fans. For bigger games or games where there are more away fans, these segregations take up more seats. Seats can also be taken up for increased visibility of advertising boards. Games that may have actually been a sell out will show as under capacity because of this.
6. Other factors – Editor of Manchester City fanzine King Of The Kippax, David Wallace, has explained reasons why City had such low attendances for their recent FA Cup game, when tickets were on sale from £5-£15. “I know the weather would have been a factor with some, because it wasn’t the warmest day. Churchgoers would have found it tricky to get to the ground in time for a 2pm Sunday kick-off as well.” Hmmm.
Click above table to see in full the summary of the statistics below.
Manchester City – Europe
Ahead of the first Europa League game, City were offering tickets to all three group stage games for a total of £50, working out at £17 a game. On the day of the Juventus game, they were selling tickets for £10 (£5 for under-16s). On the day of the Salzburg game, they were selling tickets for £5 (£1 for under-16s). On the day of the Aris Salonika, they were selling tickets for £17 (£5 for kids).
vs Salzburg – 10,274 empty seats. 21% empty.
vs Aris – 11,078 empty seats. 23% empty.
vs Juventus – 12,614 empty seats. 26% empty.
vs Timisoara – 24,282 empty seats. 51% empty.
Average: 30.3% empty
Manchester City – FA Cup
Tickets for the 3rd round game vs Leicester and 4th round game vs Notts County cost £15 for adults and £5 for U-16.
vs Leicester – 20,071 empty seats. 42% empty.
vs Notts County – 20,550 empty seats. 43% empty.
Average: 42.5% empty
Manchester City – Premiership
vs Arsenal – 433 empty seats. 0.9% empty.
vs Blackpool – 530 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs United – 616 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Chelsea – 623 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Liverpool – 739 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Bolton – 966 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs West Brom – 980 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Villa – 1,110 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Wolves – 1,154 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Newcastle – 1,759 empty seats. 4% empty.
vs Everton – 2,798 empty seats. 6% empty.
vs Birmingham – 3,505 empty seats. 7% empty.
vs Blackburn – 3,580 empty seats. 7% empty.
Average: 3% empty
Total average: 12.8% empty
Liverpool – Europe
vs Sparta Prague – 2,413 empty seats. 5% empty.
vs Trabzonspor – 4,421 empty seats. 10% empty.
vs Utrecht – 7,562 empty seats. 17% empty.
vs Napoli – 11,467 empty seats. 25% empty.
vs Steaua Bucharest – 19,757 empty seats. 44% empty.
Average: 20.2% empty
Liverpool – Premiership
vs Everton – 567 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Arsenal – 640 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Wigan – 753 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Cheseal – 1,124 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Sunderland – 1,736 empty seats. 4% empty.
vs Blackburn – 2,034 empty seats. 4% empty.
vs Blackpool – 2,206 empty seats. 5% empty.
vs West Ham – 2,336 empty seats. 5% empty.
vs Wolves – 3,746 empty seats. 8% empty.
vs West Brom – 4,168 empty seats. 9% empty.
vs Fulham – 4,896 empty seats. 11% empty.
vs Stoke – 5,108 empty seats. 11% empty.
vs Aston Villa – 6,283 empty seats. 14% empty.
vs Bolton – 9,962 empty seats. 22% empty.
Average: 7.2% empty
Total average: 10.6% empty
Tottenham Hotspur – Europe
vs Inter – 0 empty seats. 0% empty.
vs Young Boys – 1,601 empty seats. 4% empty.
vs Werder Bremen – 2,764 empty seats. 8% empty.
vs FC Twente – 3,792 empty seats. 10% empty.
Average: 5.5% empty
Tottenham Hotspur – FA Cup
vs Charlton – 612 empty seats. 2% empty.
Average: 2% empty
Tottenham Hotspur – Premiership 36310
vs Bolton – 113 empty seats. 0.3% empty.
vs Everton – 343 empty seats. 0.9% empty.
vs Liverpool – 348 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Wolves – 370 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs City – 382 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Newcastle – 383 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Villa – 439 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Sunderland – 476 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs United – 482 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Chelsea – 523 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Blackburn – 610 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Fulham – 707 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Wigan – 1209 empty seats. 3% empty.
Average: 1.2% empty
Total average: 2.2% empty
Chelsea – Europe
vs Spartak Moscow – 1,365 empty seats. 3% empty.
vs Marseille – 1,166 empty seats. 3% empty.
vs MSK Zilina – 1,575 empty seats. 4% empty.
Average: 3.3% empty
Chelsea – FA Cup
vs Ipswich – 187 empty seats. 0.5% empty.
vs Everton – 728 empty seats. 2% empty.
Average: 1.25% empty
Chelsea – Premiership 41,841
vs Liverpool – 12 empty seats. 0.03% empty.
vs Arsenal – 13 empty seats. 0.03% empty.
vs Blackpool – 80 empty seats. 0.2% empty.
vs Wolves – 89 empty seats. 0.2%
vs Everton – 199 empty seats. 0.5%
vs Fulham – 248 empty seats. 0.6% empty.
vs West Brom – 252 empty seats. 0.6% empty.
vs Aston Villa – 619 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Sunderland – 769 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Bolton – 859 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Stoke – 910 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Blackburn – 995 empty seats. 2% empty.
Average: 1% empty
Total average: 1.5% empty
Manchester United – Europe
United’s attendances, particularly in the league, will make disappointing reading for those encouraging a boycott
vs Rangers – 1,549 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Valencia – 1,699 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Bursaspor – 3,347 empty seats. 4% empty.
Average: 2.6% empty
Manchester United – FA Cup
vs Crawley – 1,434 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Liverpool – 1,485 empty seats. 2% empty.
Average: 2% empty
Manchester United – Premiership
vs Wolves 672 empty seats. 0.9% empty.
vs West Brom – 685 empty seats. 0.9% empty.
vs Spurs – 734 empty seats. 0.9% empty.
vs Newcastle – 736 empty seats. 0.9% empty.
vs Liverpool – 744 empty seats. 0.9% empty.
vs Birmingham – 886 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs City – 890 empty seats. 1 % empty.
vs West Ham – 896 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Sunderland – 943 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Aston Villa – 956 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Arsenal – 985 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Blackburn – 1,107 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Wigan – 1,776 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Stoke – 2,811 empty seats. 4% empty.
Average: 1.3% empty
Total average: 1.6% empty
Arsenal – Europe
vs Shakhtar Donetsk – 339 empty seats. 0.6% empty.
vs Barcelaon – 428 empty seatson. 0.7% empty.
vs Braga – 1,022 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Partizan Belgrade – 1,510 empty seats. 3% empty.
Average: 1.6% empty
Arsenal – FA Cup
vs Leeds – 835 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Huddersfield – 980 empty seats. 2% empty.
Average: 1.5% empty
Arsenal – Premiership 60,355
vs Chelsea – 243 empty seats. 0.4% empty.
vs Spurs – 253 empty seats. 0.4% empty.
vs West Ham – 269 empty seats. 0.4% empty.
vs City – 270 empty seats. 0.5% empty.
vs Birmingham – 285 empty seats. 0.5% empty.
vs Newcastle – 269 empty seats. 0.5% empty.
vs Wolves – 305 empty seats. 0.5% empty.
vs Fulham – 306 empty seats. 0.5% empty.
vs Blackpool – 323 empty seats. 0.5% empty.
vs West Brom – 330 empty seats. 0.5% empty.
vs Everton – 341 empty seats. 0.5% empty.
vs Stoke – 341 empty seats. 0.5% empty.
vs Bolton – 479 empty seats. 0.8% empty.
vs Wigan – 803 empty seats. 1% empty.
Average: 0.5% empty
Total average: 0.9% empty
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STATS: Which Fans Don’t Go To Their Ground? Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Liverpool, Spurs or United?
Man Utd News 24/7
Forever United!
http://www.hdfootballwallpaper.com/manchester_united.html
So what point are you trying to make? Manu always have virtually full stadiums because half of their supporters are glory hunting southerners.
City are champions at something!
A few points about your Spurs figures:
– Every home fan seat for every game in every competition has been sold this season. Any seat not sold has been in the away sections.
– Your official capacity for WHL isn’t entirely accurate. After segregation is taken into account, WHL’s maximum capacity is a tad over 36,100.
– Capacity for Champions League games is the best part of 2,500 lower than normal, because of UEFA’s requirements for overseized advertising hoardings. The front few rows of seating are not used.
– The figures are also affected by the inevitable number of season ticket holders who can’t, for whatever reason, attend a certain game.
Respect StR! A lot of information, well summarized, easy to read, informative, and it clearly shows that city are an empty seat.
In fairness tho’ Man U fans do have such a long way to travel> the coach could break down in Somerset or Suffolk or Dorset………..just about anywhere
- our capacity will be increased dramatically when we eventually get our move to Stratford (we will beat West Ham to it eventually) and it will eventually be bigger than OT
I’d say 0-3% empty isn’t really a material difference and can be seen as good as full capacity. Double-digits though, is an entirely different issue. I would expect in a blue city (as claimed by their own fans) more people would rather pay 15 quid to see Juventus, than 40+ quid to see Crawley. Whoops.
Mike says:
In fairness tho’ Man U fans do have such a long way to travel> the coach could break down in Somerset or Suffolk or Dorset………..just about anywhere
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Hmm. Your joke would make sense (but would still be desperately unfunny) if it actually correlated with the stats. As it is, it’s both desperately unfunny AND nonsensical.
Fail.
At least when my coach breaks down, wherever I am, I’m amongst friends.
Mike isn’t allowed on public transport, and has no friends.
@Mike the kind of fanbase your club could only dream off. Chin up lad.
So what’s the deal with the empty seats at Eastlands then?
Mike, are you Jack’s son? Thrilling. A lot of space-walk room at wastelands?
iceman – Grow up son. We havent heard that before. Fucking clown.
Fantastic stats and funny at the same time
Iceman, usually a nick given to someone mature, self assured and well educated about world affairs and with nerves of steel.
Crap spouting idiots usually get a different nick name
I still cannot get over smartalex’s observation last night that at Wastelands they were advertising SEAT (s) cars. Fucking hilarious.
I know that the typical newsnow excuse will be used by some to explain why they came here. What I don’t get, is why they can’t make a constructive arguement and resort to typical jokes that (a) Don’t make any sense and (b) Are as much outdated as perm hair is for women.
@Spooky
Who knows? All we hear, is that it’s their city. You’d think that 1 billion pounds of investment would get them excited about going to the stadium.
The LFC stats show an increasing disenchantment with the cautious and boring footbal under Uncle Roy, he will soon knock the entertainment out of the baggies!
You clearly have nothing much to do, why not a compare and contrast with attendances under King Kenny?
oh yes , the mighty redmen are on the way back! see you next week
Nev (the original, stand for no geeky impersonators) Red LOL
Cedars melts the iceman.
loving the pictures by each club as well, except maybe chelseas
I dont see what this has to do with anything…
I really don’t find any of this interesting. Seems like kids at play saying one group of kids are pathetic.
Well you don’t have to look far to see City is pathetic. So this exercise just seems a bit trivial, even beneath worry.
I did read the numbers.
City v Juventus – 12,614 empty seats. 26% empty. (Not even 15 quid for the old lady?!, shocking that)
The only reason the Kop wasn’t full last night vs Sparta Prague was because the UEFA rules state that the crowd have to be a certain distance from the pitch so the first 5 rows of the kop & annie road end were not for supporters.
ynwa
FletchTHEMAN
Anything related to City is pathetic my friend. Its like comedy central with a ‘constant’ Their name coupled in a sentence with the word club cracks me up every time….
dz
I suggest you look else where.. Any stats related to the mighty REDS usually mean bad news to the rest… Go ahead and google Chelsea, Looserpool or shity, you might get something worth reading..
Doubt it though
The old lady is fucked! Juventus, that Is.
nevthered – Oh do fuck off pal. King fucking Kenny my arse. Yes you turned it on at the bridge (cheers for that) but you make out he is a fucking saviour, a Shearer type saviour! Watched your last couple of games and you have reverted to type. Same old same old. And yeah only a genius like “King Kenny” would spunk 35 million on fucking Andy Carrol.
Funny thing is bet you will be cheering on United on Tuesday in the desperate hope you may get top 4. Pipe dreams son, pipe dreams.
Never understood that joke about southern fans.
Cus the majority of fans “supporting” their teams are simply happy to watch them on Sky, not paying any pennies to the actual team, let alone theres probably 10 more local teams they travel past just to get to North london or Chelsea if they ever did bother to shift their arses. Same applies with United, so essentially only 20k or so localised supporters are relevant to any team? So by that logic, United’s 70k stadium filler, guess we have the best, local support of all?
Does that rentboy banner include the words “one love” or are my eyes deceiving me? Cant you make anything original? Fuck me you even copied the scousers “El Nino” banner but forgot to omit the Shankly gates. Smalltime horrible club.
Simple as that!
King Eric
Chelsea a small club? They are mere insects not worthy of the word ‘club’
Shame on you mate, thought you knew better
Cedars . Hello mate, hows things? Yeah true they arent even small, more miniscule.
We all know OT is the Alton Towers of football.
New York City. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !
Kansas City. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !
Electricity. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !
You fail to mention that for cup games at Utd and Arsenal that season ticket holders are made to buy tickets through the cup direct scheme whether they intended to go or not.
As a blue who goes to all the games I find some of our recent attendances pretty embarrassing to be honest. A lot of City fans spout this “best fans in the world line”, well let me get this straight, 25000 of us are and the rest are fair weather “fans”
CedarsDevil on top of the world tonight! Trample those city slobs! Nice!
King Eric, all is well buddy, hope you are too….
Audyfootyfan, Alton Towers? people may get sick from some of the rides there, at OT you get joy and heavenly excitement ….. BIG difference you tool
smartalex, sing along buddy, need me a joint badly!
king eric? get back on your trawler and feed your seagulls, you havent had a football great at OT deserving of this ttile since my idol King Denis sent you down
it may take a while but we are climbing back on that perch
I dont give a stuff about Tuesday, or the return
unless you kick seven shades of shite out of each other
neither of you are playing any football worth watching
Sulking Torres + Twittering Babel = Committed Carroll + sublime Suarez – Net spend £nil
great business and less on wages
Roll on 7th march, just hope your cheatin b****d berby doesn’t get shot by another sniper! could break an eyebrow
Rise up this mornin’,
Smiled with the risin’ sun,
Three little birds
Pitch by my doorstep
Singin’ sweet songs
Of melodies pure and true,
Sayin’, (“This is my message to you-ou-ou:”)
Singin’: “Don’t worry ’bout number 19
‘Cause every little thing gonna be all right.”
@Iceman.
Yes,its a bugger driving in from Belgium for all Uniteds home games,
all we ever see is the motorways full of reds.
All City fans come from Manchester
Liverpool fans from Merseyside,
All Chel,Arse and Spurs fans come from the smoke.
The sun also shines every day !!!!!!
Cedars mate…you make it sound like a brothel! Which it certainly is not!
King Dennis did NOT send us down you ignorant fool, he actually nearly cried when he scored his back heel against us….. We were already doomed before that match
Says a lot that one of our most famous footballers to ever grace the pitch is a hero of a blue scum… Have non of your own you ignorant tool? Pathetic
DAVE RED
Evening mate, had dinner with someone you might know last night. Arnold Muhren was here to start up a Dutch football academy…….. Bloody genius of a man and a footballer as I am sure you will know.
A Liverpool fan idolizing Dennis Law? Says it all really.
Audyfootyfan
No intention of offending you mate, BUT comparing OT to a play ground sounded as if you were taking the piss………… If you were then off you should fuck! If not do tell please
I’m glad we have fans from all over the country! The more of us, the stronger we are!
United Forever.
Costas
And here is me, had him for a blue! No difference really! Shit comes in one color really
while not disagreeing with the figures, the thing that concerns me is why they dont turn up. i think the problem with city especially (my team), is how tickets are obtained. i and others noticed last night the amount of fans waiting at the ticket pick up points as kick off approached. i mainly think rthe problem could be addressed by allowing cash payments as has been successful for the last 100 years…not everyone wants to have to give their address, email, mobile number just to obtain a ticket!!
That must have been great CedarsDevil, dinner with Arnold! I read this recently.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/where-are-they-now-arnold-muhren-1447121.html
@Cedars
Haha, line of the day.
@Cedars.
Evening Cedars,
I must confess i dont personally know Arnold, but I certainly remember
that cultured left foot, from that good United team of the early eighties.
We should have got at least one league championship then.
statistics? they can be read from any standpoint. for example, a team that has won countless premiership titles, facups league cups, and even european cups has only a stadium fill record of 1.7% more than one that has won f’ all for 35 years. loyal lads those blues.
I wonder if this sunday had United been playing a league match at 3pm not too far off the carling cup at 4pm, would our fixture have been moved do you think? Get the ratings for the second half of City and fulham on sunday.
As was pointed out before, the Spurs’ Europe figures need reviewing as there were a few rows of seats intentionally left empty, but for unknown reasons. Therefore it cannot be entirely accurate,
Besides, I don’t know what the point of this was.
If it was simply to make an example of City’s lack of attendance, why bring Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs into it?
How obsessed with City is Scott the Red??
Every second article on this site seems to be about them.
We get it you don’t like them. We don’t like them. They’re a joke.
But to constantly be putting up stats and images to show how much smaller a club they are than us seems trivial.
A club like United does not need to bow to these levels to show our class
@ Smartalex
“This is my message to you-ou-ou:” Top song lad!
Like to here that one sung after the Chelsie game!
Three “BIG REDS”
Pitch by my doorstep….
La I need some good football!
RedDeviled Egg – 1. It’s called banter. Lighten up 2. This article is comparing United to 5 other clubs. Who’s making it about City, you or me?
smartalex, nice link thanks
DAVE RED
I Never met him before, it was a chance meeting… Great guy to be honest. My memory of him is that great left foot as you mentioned. He does ooze class though as a person just as he did on the pitch for United. Him and Robbo were a dream pairing in midfield
How stupid of someone to claim that it was the Lawmans goal that sent us down, anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge would know we where already down by then and Denis’ back heel just exemplified how far we had fallen and by the look on his face and his body language you could plainly see he was upset (but professional to the end) so for any City fan or otherwise to attempt a wind up with this just looks a pillock.
To lighten up requires the need to have basic human attributes, one if them is a sense of humor. If you do not have that, well basically you are an IDIOT
Cedars.
What a great midfield that was, Stevie Coppell, Robbo,Wilkins
and Arnie, with Remi as back up.
Plus Norman, Hughes and Stapleton upfront.
How we didnt win the bloody league i will never know.
I must admit that I’m one that’s making this thread about city. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !
Just like others, I say that word, and laugh. How’s that for audacity? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !
And the point of this article is what exactly? An attempt to gloat at others and re-affirm your dominance as the self-promoted kings of football? And you deluded reds think your club is hated by others out of jealousy. I have no idea if your statistics are correct or not and I wouldn’t waste my time checking them for such a pointless exercise. What I do know is that drawing conclusions from statistics alone is utterly useless without consideration of factors that will influence them. Factors such as recent success or forcing season ticket holders to pay for cup games they don’t want to attend (nice to see your club values such loyalty). Can I suggest your next experiment is titled “A comparison of how football fans respond to transfer requests from high profile players: class or crass “.
Same here RED DAVE! Was always at the stretty singing my heart out at the time. Norman Whiteside was a nut case that I loved! I think it was 85 when we went 10 points clear after 10 games then we lost it… Am I right?
Anyone heard about Nani being linked with Inter?
JOE says Inter will offer 45M, not seeing it anywhere else.
Willie peaks his head through the window of RoM, and sees Cedars has It locked down and beating back the trolls with sublime ease. Good on ya Cedars! Give me a holler, if you need me mate.
Cedars, with all due respect there was no intention by me to suggest that OT was a theme park, my emphasis really was on the tendency for there to be quite a number of day trippers who swell the attendance at OT (and therfore keep the attendance percentage above every other club named in the article, after all you do have the capacity) which perhaps distorts the figures somewhat in your favour, after all MUFC are an attraction.
DaveYid and the other Tottenham fans getting their knickers in a twist:
If you bother to read the full article, including the very first sentence,you will see there is a disclaimer: “This isn’t a science. There are certain things which play a part and mean the statistics aren’t 100% full-proof. ”
It then goes on to say: “Seats can also be taken up for increased visibility of advertising boards. Games that may have actually been a sell out will show as under capacity because of this.”
So chill out, it is clearly covered, and for what it is worth it’s not a dig at you – th hoardings applies to other clubs as well you know!
I think it is very obvious to see that the dippers and blue scum come out of this the worst – however it is clearly some kind of mistake by Scott, the council house is always 100% full, they just go dressed up as blue seats.
Nani will never play for an Italian team. The crowd will hate him and destroy him.
Arghhhh right…The propoganda continues…It’s not out fault at city that we aren’t ripped off like your mob.
What you fail to mention is the fact that united take into account all the tickets that you force on your season ticket holders for your home games. So you reckon you got 73k against Crawley??? No chance there were empty seats everywhere..What united do however is count these fans who dont attend in there attendance…
Stats are just that and the Replublik propoganda cannot justify this article. The red moderator wont post this because its the truth…Our attendances are a true reflection of hard times but not a lie!
Next!
Willie
Will do buddy, but its easy mate.. Idiots are just that!
FletchTHEMAN
Read other papers mate, Nani to Inter? Fuck me they are as broke as I am
Sorry I meant the cup tickets that united fans are forced to buy!
But at city we haven’t got 500 million of debt to service!
Cedars, Good one lad. But Berlusconi has been known to print a few notes to make things happen.
I actually don’t get too worked up with rumors like this because it shows that our players are tops and widely desirable. It is utter speculation and banter, but not completely unwelcome. Let em talk!
Them crazy, them crazy -
We gonna chase those crazy
Baldheads out of town;
Chase those crazy baldheads
Out of our town.
Scott counts the amount of empty seats. That’s a result of the announced attendance after every game. It has nothing to do with counting season tickets.
Oh and sorry to disappoint, but the attendabce vs Crawley was 74778. Here:
Man Utd
A. Lindegaard, W. Brown , J. O’Shea, Fabio Da Silva (D. Fletcher, 69), Rafael Da Silva (C. Smalling, 54), M. Carrick, Anderson (W. Rooney , 46), D. Gibson, G. Obertan, J. Hernandez, Bebe
Subs not used: P. Pogba, J. King, R. Tunnicliffe, T. Kuszczak
Crawley
M. Kuipers, P. Mills, K. McFadzean, D. Howell, D. Hunt, S. Torres , D. Bulman, W. Gibson (J. Cook, 69), B. Smith (S. Rusk, 81), C. McAllister (R. Brodie, 63), M. Tubbs
Subs not used: G. Wilson, B. Napper, S. Shearer, S. Rents
Referee: Lee Probert Attendance: 74778 Stadium: Old Trafford
Thats from this website: http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=1724#teamTabs=results
Another blue bubble is burst.
STR
when the main picture for your article is City’s stadium I’d say you had City in mind the whole way through.
A sense of humor is something i don’t lack.
The fact that you are reduced to to insulting my intelligence after one remark I made makes you out to be somewhat lacking in humor does it not?
As a Scot the Lawman was my idol, Wembley 3-2 1967, World champions, priceless
and then my dad took me to my first ever game, Anfield on 12 October 1968
look it up you fools. I found my team LIVERPOOL
Shanks built the first great team, Paisley cruelly cut down in his prime built more
King Kenny continued the tradition
old red nose said that he stayed in bed for 3 days after the 1-4 thrashing at the theatre of delusions
well he may never get up again in a week’s time!
glad to see that my Citeh relegation piss take worked so well
you can dish it out Costa but you cant take it – by the way colour is spelt with a U
unless you are really from the USA and your glazer love is showing through!
i’m off now, got to catch up with the reds reserves on LFC TV tara la NtR
alex blue
What is your excitement in life? Coming on a United blog and looking intelligent? Sorry I meant trying to appear intelligent.
You support a team that are the joke of world football, actually not even known outside the North West of the UK. Pathetic excuse of the term football club…. Now do us all a favor and fuck off, find a comedy site that may discuss your pathetic excuse of a ‘club’ whilst you are there enjoy the comedy…
IDIOT
Alex blue is very apologetic, servile really. city can’t sell tickets, never mind service debt.
Build your house in the sand, alex, we’ll recycle the cardboard later.
RedDeviledEgg, to be fair, all the teams have a foto next to them. Perhaps you only see city?
FletchTHEMAN
The man you mention is the owner of AC Milan mate, someone who naturally hates Inter….
@nev
Yeah, thanks for the tip. Means a lot coming from someone who doesn’t know when to use capital letters and dots at the end of sentences. Oh and it’s can’t. Not cant.
And no, I am from Greece. Not the US. By the way, by your logic, that must mean that Kyrgiakis is my idol, right? Sad scouser.
Come back when you have something to talk about other than the past, the past, the past…
*Kyrgiakos*
Wouldn’t want Mr Spellcheck over here to give me another lecture.
@Cedars
Yes, we won the first ten on the bounce, we were ten clear, but finished fourth.
85-86 season, big Ron was sacked on bonfire night that year.
Andersred has put up the complete numbers from the glazers release.
Paying down the debt and making a few bob. Hope that continues.
http://andersred.blogspot.com/2011/02/uniteds-q2-2011-results-running-on-one.html
@Cedars, Right ofcourse.
FletchTHEMAN – Cheers for the article. We still don’t how they paid the PIKs off? At least the debt has been reduced.
nevthered has no knowledge or understanding of English language. He can hold a paintbrush, but what a mess when he tries to use it. Why a scot (like myself) would be interested in english spelling is beyond comprehension. Unless it’s really Manuel from Fawlty Towers: I speaka english, I learn it from a book! Or torres, possibly? I mean, who says ‘tara’?
twat
Theme parks? Alton Towers…. Nah…. Ferrari World in Abu Dhabi looks good, That must have cost a few bob,
I cannot comment on other teams but does anyone seriously believe that there were 500 or so seats empty for the games against United or Chelsea–or anyone else for that matter. As others have said, they are all sold, its ust that not everyone can get t the game, and the post segregation max is 36100 or so. I know of many people who have been stuck queing up on Mways traveling in from Kent and south of the river and didn’t get to games on several occasions. There are however epty seats i the away section. The smaller teams have a “section” and if they dont fill them they cannot be resold. Teams such as Birmingham, Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn always have big gaps in their sections. I would assume its the same for other teams as well. I have a mate with 2 season tickets and he has dozens of people begging him for his tickets as he cannot get to many games himself. Sometimes odd seats get left as not everyone wants to pay £50 to sit amongst strangers
Good article about the financial results. Some good news I suppose, but the next one will give us even better understanding. We will need to pay interest on bonds on February, which can be like 20 mil. The fact that the PIK-s were paid is really good though.
Willierednut and Orez Cheers lads
ESPN puts the positives as follow:
The club announced a “strong balance sheet”, containing “net assets of £771 million and a cash balance of £134.5 million.”
With £134 million in the bank, there would seem to be ample funds for Sir Alex Ferguson to rebuild his squad, and the figures suggest that Manchester United remains a cash cow for its owners.
The figures issued quarterly to Bond Holders told of a “solid on-field performance” in their ‘Business Review’, and the statement stressed “continued investment in the playing squad”. Goalkeeper Anders Lindegaard signed in January, while Wayne Rooney and Anderson have extended their contracts until June 2015, Patrice Evra until June 2014 and Ryan Giggs until June 2012.
The club reported “year on year revenue growth of 8.2% from £144.7 million to £156.5 million driven by commercial revenues increasing 30.2% from £38.7 million to £50.4 million”. The club also reported year on year EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) growth of 3.2% from £58.7 million to £60.6 million.
My view.
On top of the 200M PIK being payed down and some 30M in bonds bought back, this results in a very positive decrease in the annual costs of funding the bonds.
Think we would all be very pleased if
1 We see an additional 50M+ in debt reductions every year.
2. SAF continues to have 100M+ available for transfers.
3. there are are solid positive moves toward strengthening the squad this summer
Willierednut and Orez Cheers lads
My view.
The Glazers have made a very positive move in paying back the 200M+ PIK
And the purchase of some 50M in bonds bought back
This results in a very positive decrease in the annual costs of funding the bonds and a REAL effort to reduce the overall debt.
Think we would all be very pleased if
1 We see an additional 50M+ in debt reductions every year.
2. SAF continues to have 100M+ available for transfers.
3. there are are solid positive moves toward strengthening the squad this summer
Concerns
1. Continued pressure on match day sales by bad economy and failure to win back diehard fans.
2. Continued inability to go after top talent due to concerns about tax base and conservative wage structure.
ESPN puts the positives as follow:
The club announced a “strong balance sheet”, containing “net assets of £771 million and a cash balance of £134.5 million.”
With £134 million in the bank, there would seem to be ample funds for Sir Alex Ferguson to rebuild his squad, and the figures suggest that Manchester United remains a cash cow for its owners.
The figures issued quarterly to Bond Holders told of a “solid on-field performance” in their ‘Business Review’, and the statement stressed “continued investment in the playing squad”. Goalkeeper Anders Lindegaard signed in January, while Wayne Rooney and Anderson have extended their contracts until June 2015, Patrice Evra until June 2014 and Ryan Giggs until June 2012.
The club reported “year on year revenue growth of 8.2% from £144.7 million to £156.5 million driven by commercial revenues increasing 30.2% from £38.7 million to £50.4 million”. The club also reported year on year EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) growth of 3.2% from £58.7 million to £60.6 million.
Sorry for the double post! OOPS
THink the second has a few less typos if you want to remove one.
@FletchTHEMAN
I agree that the news coming from the financial report are encouraging. Any idea where the money for the PIKS came from though? The Glazers themselves or perhaps some future potential buyer?
Anyway, as for the immediate future, since we do have that kind of money in the bank, I hope it’s put to good use in the summer to rebuild our midfield.
134 million in the bank? If Sir Alex got 50/60 million of that, I’d be a happy Red.
Interesting post, good objective insight. Great link/article Fletch.
Off Topic, here’s a very interesting read on what happened to Carrick:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/georgina_turner/02/25/Michael.Carrick/index.html?eref=sircrc
Wow FletchTHEMAN, top quality comment 19:40 (both of them!)
I must say that no other football site has such a plethora of intelligence and wit, and maturity.
Yes, that means all of you.
I see Andersred has written a nice piece for the Guardian, saying that the piks payment and debt reduction would mean that the Glazers are not getting sufficient return themselves, therefore a sale would be their only chance of a decent return.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/feb/25/mancheste-united-qatar-glazers
All the propoganda…Intelligent-yes I am…Just you red pricks keep bumming each others ego and the whole fucking world laughs… Yeah you got great revenues,ours will go way beyond yours within 5 yrs , but the difference is we wont be servicing our owners PIKs etc…You lot are the fucking mugs..Green and gold till you fold I say!
piks-Aren’t they just fucking great…
Cedars devil. I will never apologise to a bunch of scumbags like united.The whole world hates you apart from you lot…It’s fucking great
Can’t fill their own stadium, yet they are dreaming about surpassing us in annual revenues. Deluded to the very end.
Forgot about the crap you wrote above I see. Good man. Keep coming up with shit.
@FletchTHEMAN , damm mun, u maketh me readeth twice ,me eyes twitching da TWICE aa!!!
Thanks Fletch for the info.
Yo smartalex, if da wife dont giva da mooney backk= cash balance or cashew nuts?
Woohoo…good one cedars! Your the best,we all love you…Get a fucking life you dead leg rag!
If you can’t debate anything then that’s why you come on this rag propoganda site
what piks
One of the main criticisms of the Glazers has been the absence of any major signings.Fergie has reiterated his’ no value in the market’ argument for the past two seasons.With 134 mil in the bank , this summer will be pivotal in the sense that it would help solve this riddle whether there is actually any money for the gaffer to spend.It is quite obvious we need a world class addition to our central midfield and its certainly not going to be cheap.
BUT, there is a chance we might not bring in anyone at all( in the central midfield) since Scholsey is set to sign and there remains a very good chance of Pogba and Tunniclife breaking into the team next season.Its a bit of a banana skin really, do we wait another season and see our midfield getting battered every game while we nurture these lads to take the mantle in the future or do we go in and splash money on a marquee player?Because if the new guy comes in we’ll have Scholsey,Fletch,Carrick,Anderson,Gibson plus him.And IF Fergie does see the youth lads being the real deal, it would not make a lot of sense to spend such money and maybe thats why there won’t be any value in the market again.I’d love to see someone like a Schweinsteiger in a red shirt.Rodwell also has been linked time and again but he is nowhere near to being the finished article.So do we sign him and nurture him or do we depend on our youth?
An interesting summer awaits us.
Costas-A question…Why have you not bought a 30 million pound player since berbaflop?
Why have you oberton,bebe who if you have half a brain are not good enough for Yoonited!! You are kidding yourselves! Little citeh,dont worry about us because we will be fine with our rich owner…..A man who you lot could only dream of having!! Pricks
This idiot is calling out Cedars and he’s not even posting. You couldn’t pik your nose.
xol-keep believing they have gone mate-fucking deluded…
alex blue is a simpleton. Not name-calling, he is really simple. Village idiot, shame.
Put 2 shovels against the shed and ask him to take his pick. Pikhead, shame.
@alex blue
Is “Berbaflop” the same player that told you to fuck off and the current top scorer in the premiership? Why buy anyone? We are still beating your crappy 1 billion pound side aren’t we?
I won’t respond to the rest, because I realize how tough this period is for you. Here. Maybe this will help:
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Woman-Feel-Better-While-She's-on-Her-Period
I hope you feel better soon sunshine.
And does it really matter if there are empty seats…really really..Empty seats or 500 mill in debt…mmmm lets see….I know…What about when you used to get 18k,26k against wimbledon n qpr…Yes do some research on your own team….your glory hunters from all over boost your crowds but even now you can still get tickets for your home games…!!!!Its all relative you pricks!
Lets all say how good we are,how much we love our owners and slap each other on the back….Yeah I’m a simpleton alright..Had a brain not to follow the majority in Salford and support United.Chose the true manc team…
Costas-He’s shite…..and you know youd rather have tevez any day..:
lol deluded, we’re 8 points in front of you with a game in hand laughIng at you. Bitter scum, come to see the United blog.
Research? Here, knock yourself out, you twat:
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/stats-united-vs-city-the-best-supported-club-since-the-1940s-and-before-premiership/
I had Tevez. And I let him leave. Who’s regretting that move the most you think? Who handed in a transfer request last month?
Forgot to mention Rooney..The prostitute shagger…You all hated him,threatened him in his house whilst his baby was there and then your club bent over backwards and got raped by him….When you know you cant afford it!!! Explain that “Rooney who’s the whore now” banner…Fucking selctive memories you red pricks..Cant wait for it all to end..34 yrs 35yrs 36yrs..Wow and your great banner…hilarious when it shows the fucking cut outs sat above it
alex blue….cunt…. aint it time for beddy byes ….or do they let you stay up for another hour at the asylum
Lemon suckers. Bitter to the end.
post you fucking blue maggot
faster you blue cunt
xol-i only came on here when your shite site posted about attendances..It’s like united think they rule the roost..Who fucking cares…And costas…why would i want to read your bollox propoganda..I could show you all sorts of reports about citys revenues etc…..who cares….you lot are obviously taking solace in each others comments and wanking off over yourselves…Bet not one of you is from a manchester postcode….cunts
@smartalex
I think simpleton flatters him. We get deluded bitters like him over here all the time, but even they don’t repeat the same crap as much as he has. Debt, debt, debt, we will do this, we will do that, we are the future, blah blah.
Has nothing to do better with his life than hang out at a United blog thinking he is a tough guy by calling people pricks behind a keyborard. If they spent half of that energy by going to support their team, they woulodn’t have been the laughing stock of this thread.
@willierednut : pls bro dont insult the lemons, nice healthy fruit,they no want anything to do wid da stupid arses like alex blue.
shame your club only want to be known in Manchester …come back and haunt us when you rule like we do you bitter fagoot
Odious little blue nose fuckpig
Tony bee-were you one of the hoodies outside waynes pad paid for by you muppets..He mugged you off you cunts…Come on answer it…..Sign for city and you’ll die-mmmmm thats was nice…Come on you red fucks…explain yourselves…
You seem to take the moral high ground about everything from the munich disaster to being the best fans in the world but really when you look at it you chanted about hillsborough..heysel…threaten rooney whilst his baby was in the house…yeah come on you pricks answer me
Once again alex bitter you refuse to see the facts when they are staring you in the face. That article wasn’t about revenues. It was about who has averaged the most attendaces since the 40s. Guess who rules that roost too.
As for Rooney, hey, he hasn’t been forgotten. Unlike you, we don’t bend over for mercenaries.
alex blue says: “….Yeah I’m a simpleton alright..Had a brain not to follow the majority in Salford and support United…”
- he admits to being a simpleton
- he says that the majority in Salford support United
what a sad little moron.
Who cares? You do, for 1. You care so much after what we’ve done to your deluded dreams, that you just had to contaminate us with your ‘presence’.
U know something guys over here the football show tried thier best to find a city fan to appear and talk about and comment on thier club and the rest.
Took them a long time to find someone and it turned out to be a dickhead.
@Tony
Don’t feed the troll. You ae giving him more reasons to stay here. His other option is to go watch Mrs Doubtfire with his mom. That’s sad.
costas..never been on here before-its wank…season ticket for 30 yrs so run along with that argument..tony bee,your the whore you child..whos hiding behind a keyboard..Oh yeah,just cos you got a right old kicking against city the other week,Oh yes…run run as fast as you can……
Alex Blue.Blue bitter whoever the fuck you are.What the fuck are you doing on here twat?Comparing an whinging argie, once in month transfer request,fuck face cunt to a classy lad like Berba who said FUCK OFF to your small time club? Even after two seasons ?Get a life and the first step would be to fuck off to one your own blogs.
Go on TonyBee, tell the girl. ha ha
You sad deluded little fuck …go fuck yourself you arse wiping fanny stain….your team is shite despite all its fucking wealth …you will never ever beat the No 1 team in Manchester ….
Manchester is red now and forever
we are Global not local
You blue fucking arsehole
Costas, alex blue he has to be the most pathetic little twerp. Poor, lonely, little reject. He is an emotional retard. Shame
Dave Malaysia-nuff said you fucking prick…Not one of you red clowns has answered me re rooney,re the threats,re the hillsborough chanting,heysel chanting..I despise city fans who sing about Munich because we lost one of our own but I just want an answer come on…threatening someone that if they sign for city…..they will doe and all the hard men in black turn up in leafy cheshire….That my friends is why you arent like
The only sad thing about tonight’s entertainment, is that MG is still on vacation. He loves watching clowns like him.
Tony bee puffs his chest out and blows hard ….hasn’t had a rant for ages….!!
Costas mate…hiya …troll feeding is my speciality….. D)
fuck it with the bastarding smileys
got fast fingers tonight boys……
@smartalex
Exactly. You forgot deluded too. We keep owning him on every turn, yet he thinks that we are not responding at his points. Poor little cunt.
Oh you lot are so fucking easy……Hilarious hilarious…Salford blue signing off….Its time for beddy boes with my gorgeous wife……Never got the answer I wanted.all costas,xol,tony bee,Dave MALAYSIA HAVE DONE IS SUCK EACH OTHERS RED KNOBS OFF….Fucking made my night you red pricks…WOOONEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
all together now…35 yrs,35yrs…….Like we’re arsed……..Fucking brilliant…Can’t believe how easy you lot bite……See you at wembley in the semis…..
Awww alex blue ,did i hurt yr feelings, ru feeling blue?
who da hell u think u are , talking about getting answers? u come in here like a stupid bitch fawn like a drama queen gay prick ,then u cry for answers?
what happened today boy? did yr mama beat u silly? is that why u came in here to cry?
Stop pretending blue hole. You’re on your period. Wings ha ha
@Tony
Looks like you scared him away. He is to wank at a Justin Bieber video clip.
OOOOOOO MG Tony bee,costas…your so good…This propoganda is great…These bitters….Fuck me if you could see yoursleves…Got a bite off every one of you red mongs tonight…City for life signing off
run boy ,chase john terry off yr wife,then come back in here and cry again
35 years and not arsed ….you sad cunts…!!
your gorgeous wife…….dont you mean Mrs Palm and her five daughters…..
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
DAVE MALAYSIA-WATCH THE LADY BOYS….Best entertainment I’ve had on a wank forum for a long time…Republik of Mancunia….fuck me!!!
Bite this alex bitter.
Tony bee-no mate-I mean my gorgeous wife..Don’t compare me to your own sad standards…How many of you are going to Wigan tomorrow? Bet not fucking one of you
Back tracking, ya retard lol.
when you finish tonight a la palm Alex Blue …….will you think of us winning yet another premiership …
36 years soon…..
I’m wondering if alex blue is my polar opposite. Like a temperature gauge.
Smart…………………………………………..alex…………………………………………blue.
———————————————————————————————–
Wonderful chap…………………………middle……………………………………moronic citizen
Hey alex blue, you make me shine so brightly!
I kind of miss Mr Mankini. At least he wasn’t fantasizing about biting us.
Everytime I refresh this page all you lot do is massage one anothers egos!!
F.F.Sake Tony bee,puffing his chest out and his gay lover kissing his butt!!!
Forgot to ask-Where does Scott the red originate from?
Me-I’m from Irlams o the height,Salford…
Your inflatable wife is waiting alex bitter.
Willierednut-Why am I back tracking?? I’ve asked for answers re Rooney,Hillsborough,your crowds when they were in the 20-30 thousand bracket,but not one of you has even bothered because you think we cant come on here and blog when you are taking the high ground…TO ALL YOU SAD REDS,AND DAVE OF MALAYSIA (sorry forgot to ask..your last game was?)
City dont give a fuck if you win 50 premier leagues……Its green and gold till you fold…
That gibson,Oberton n Bebe–yeah they are the future…..
Costas-sorry my friend..you reside where exactly????
Salford like you.
Alex Darling…. you can now think of me when you doodle your old biddy up the arse……. you know she like it there ….Half of Salford’s been there…..
god i think I’m in love …talk to me more Alex ….I’m GETTING MORE AND MORE HORNY ….CO YOU TALK JUST LIKE A CUNT….
Tony Soprano: I had a dream I fucked your brains out. Right on that desk, and you loved it.
Dr. Melfi: Well, you threw that at me like a rock.
Poor little alex blue would be more use at La Tomatina tomato throwing festival.
Except they don’t have blue tomatoes. Idiot can take his own.
it’s when he says my name ….I get this glow all over….(shivers expectantly) ….
Quick Alex Blue….I’m almost there
Smart alex ….ffs dont frighten him away….I’m IN love…..
Come on Alex bitter. Don’t keep Tony waiting as he climaxes.
oooooghhhhhhh aaaarrrgggghhhh ooooooohhhhhhh aaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhh
Just keep dreaming of silver, alex blue. You know, like handcuffs.
Just say my name One more time…… puuff ppaaantt ppuuufff ppaaantt….
oops, shhhh,….tip…….toe………click.
Tony, would you like a cigarette?
Beep beep beep……..
Rather an anti-climax there….
Where he go? Where he at? Beep beep beep……
what a laugh …now he thinks we are perverts as well the top team…
So he’s had a season ticket for years. I wonder which one in the photo is him.
I’m guessing they don’t like him either, else he’d leave bored. He’s probably the one in red on the top tier.
Alex bitter has left the building. He was a sad twat that gave us many laughs.
So did u guys have fun?
Isint tiring having fuckers like that coming in here and wasting everyones time?
Anyway time to sleep ,zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Tony: You know we’re the only country where the pursuit of happiness is guaranteed in writing? Do you believe that? A bunch of fucking spoiled brats. Where’s my happiness then?
Dr. Melfi: It’s the pursuit that’s guaranteed.
Tony: Yeah, always a fucking loophole.
That’s right. Hoping to be a winner in the future, doesn’t mean you will be.
@Dave
Nah mate. It’s just further proof of how blessed we were to be born reds.
Isn’t it funny how only 27000 turn up at Wastelands to watch city’s 1st team play a League 1 club in the FA Cup, but 74000 turn up at Old Trafford to watch United’s reserve team play a Non-League club?
Just when It gets interesting, they tuck tail and run. Bitter lot.
I see JOS is concerned about Wigan’s set piece threat. Presuming SAF is too, it would mean John starts, surely?
“We know we have to win games now. It’s coming to that stage where wins are so vital and we’re going to have to commit men forward and really go at teams.,” he told ManUtd.com.
“This time of the season is always exciting and a period which as players we look forward to.
“We’ve watched some of the clips of Wigan and their counter-attacks and set-piece deliveries and we know if we don’t play well we’ll have a very tough day.
“With the players we have in the squad and the mentality of the team we’ll be going there to create lots of chances and hopefully we can take them.”
Blue is not a colour, it’s a disease.
Wow, this site had a stench for a spell there. Had to take a walk. Costas mate, let it go. It just let’s them keep us from talking about important stuff.
BloodRED 20:01 top read on Carrick.
It missed my point from yesterday that Carrick has been asked to say home at DM for the last year. Think SAF is worried about Rio and even more worried about Smalling and Evans. Our defense has been very solid this year, I think some of this is down to Carricks amazing positioning and excellent DM play. All you ROMsters who are going all misty over Smallings would be less impressed if Carrick wasn’t playing his current role. Think Carrick has been told he is the 5th man and not to press up the park for the first 70 minutes.
Why not take into account the amount of home fans unsold seats only. That way we only bear in mind the fact that there are a limited number of home fans seats for each game. We should also discount cup games as United fans are forced to buy tickets and are counted, even if they don’t turn up (as was painfully obvious for the Crawley game).
You could also take into account the fact that Northern cities have been worst hit by the enforced government cuts and that the people in the south have more disposable income as is demonstrated by Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and Utd.
Why not base your ‘facts’ on the amount of fans that are cerebrally challenged? You would top that poll by a long way!!!
Enjoy the statistics!
Welcome back FletchTHEMAN. I find it amazing when people say things like:
‘Carrick never passes the ball forward anymore, sell him.’
That means, because a player does exactly as he’s told, we must sell him.
Anyone who thinks that players continue a certain aspect of their game contrary to instruction, week after week; is only seeing the surface.
Hi everyone! I don’t know whether anyone asked this previously, but in the FA cup was OT’s best attendance really Crawley and worst Liverpool, or did Scott make a mistake?? Because if so, that is very odd.
As in the former, not the latter. Scott is human, after all
FletchTHEMAN, I think that we want to play with 2 wings and 2 wing backs, so a triangle of 3 centre backs (2 and Carrick) is a necessity. From that though, comes vulnerability to set pieces, So we need another tall player in midfield, limiting our attack from there.
I don’t understand why you guys waste your time on that moron, he was obviously a troll. Also Scott writes to many articles to put them down and all, but they seem repetitive. I was thinking that the reason for this might be fact that Scott sees shity fans on regular bases, unlike me (LA)who has never met one.
Any news on Valencia. He was supposed to be back and all. We need a boost and I am really worried by the upcoming games.
@ Orez- Fergie mentioned that Valencia’s in training and should be ready to play depending on his confidence by 2 weeks.
My favorite bean, Jelly.
Lol, i was about to write, “aww my favourite nut, Willie”and then i realized what i’d be saying…
hahahahaha.
@FletchTHEMAN, smartalex
I think these are some valid question marks about Carrick. I admit that I wonder if his United career is coming to an end, but there’s not doubt in my mind that Fergie has changed his role this season. If Carrick was disobeying orders on the pitch and passed the ball backwards and sideways, Ferguson would have taken him out of the side a long time ago. It’s a fact that Carrick and Fletcher are not very creative players, but the way I look at it, they are told to stay behind and not make a lot of runs forward.
@smartalex Completely agree. Carrick has been playing well and doing a job. The Attacking midfield is what has been unhinged. Carrick has contributed to our amazing defensive record. Especially while bringing in alot of new blood in the back 4. Wish SAF would unleash Carrick for 40 minutes to shut these guys up.
Also, I think that there is a lie that carrick only passes back. If you log on to the
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/chalkboards/create
Load up the Villa game or the spurs game.
Then select Carrick or Fletcher.
YOu will find that Carrick is passing back ONLY when he gets the ball in a defensive position. Almost 50% of his passes are from an attacking position (their half of the field) and 90% of those are going forward. By contrast. Fletcher never passes forward, always sideways.
Now pull up the City Game from Feb 12. Carrick didn’t get much of the ball. But compare Scholes and Fletcher. Scholes almost never passes forward. And when he is deep in our end often passes back, just like Carrick. They all have really high completion percentages as well.
I’m telling you lads. Your lack of appreciation is misplaced. Think Carrick has been off, but it isn’t just down to him. The attacking midfield is what needs sorting.
@jellybean thanks buddy I hope he is back soon. We can use another option in the attack.
I read the article about Carrick and I am not buying it. He has been shit for almost two years, even hid defending has been pathetic on some occasions. No goals I will accept, but no passes, no good plays for such a long period of time. His confidence has been shredded, but he needs to man up. I was reading Ibraimovich bashing Guardiola for not motivating him enough and I am thinking that the fucking cunt is earning millions and playing for a great team like Barca, so what other motivation he needs?
FletchTHEMAN.Exactly mate.He is more of a shield for the defence nowadays so that leaves the bulk of the creative work to his other partner.Now, when Scholsey has been on song this year we did’t really notice Carrick being poor,but when you pair him up with Gibbo or Ando (despite a couple of good games) people think he is not contibuting.With Fletch he looks okay but then again with all due respect to Fletch,he isn’t the creative outlet people are looking for.When they compare him to Fletch,I find a similarity in the debate between Rio and Vida.Vida does all the dirty work,going into tackles, attacking the headers but Rio does all the mopping.Carrick does his job in a similar way.Uses his intelligence and positioning to cut the threats but some people do not recognize that.That said he still is a brilliant passer of the ball and still does his job without the fuss.
You can tell the difference in the team when Carrick’s not playing. There’s a lot more pressure on the defenders as the others do not really have the discipline to carry out his role, especially with Fletch off form now.
No, but seriously how was Liverpool our worst FA cup attendance and Crawley the best? Or were they really? Somebody…please! It’s intriguing me lol.
@FletchTHEMAN all center has been shit and none of them should be excused. We really lack any creativity in the center, but what pisses me the most is their lack of fight. For the whole year many inferior teams have been bulling everyone. Just pathetic TBH.
@jellybean
It’s true. 74778 went to watch the Crawley game and 74727 attended the Liverpool game. What’s weird about that? Liverpool stopped being an attraction a long time ago.
RedBlood, But it does seem that I am defending the lad more than I think is seemly.
May be I should ditch Fletch as my name sake and come
back with a Carrick moniker
Carricks_Stones-O-Steel.
CarrickACarrak? hmmm, might need some help there lads.
Nahh, but it might do if I ever piss somat off and have to go into hiding.
At certain times in our illustrious past it has felt like we are a locomotive, hurtling towards the title, but not often. That’s not my memory of it all. And, the closer we get to number 19, the more excited we should feel. I’m not nervous, but I really want it to be done and dusted, more so than any other title. Remember when TSO took their first in 50 years. Fuck. And then a year later, again. 3 years no title, 19 felt like it was slipping away. But here we are, nervously expectant. Come on United!
Orez,
I personally think it has very little to do with the current MF personnell. What kept the opposition pissing their pajamas was guys who would pick up the ball in midfield and just run at them.
Used to have Ronney, (moved to the virus)
Used to have WR10 (moved in with some whores)
Used to have Valencia (moved in to rehab)
Used to have alot younger Giggs and Scholes (moving into shaddy acres)
Who is it that is causing defenses to soil themselves.
Owen (needs a pass)
Berba (needs a pass as well)
Chicharito (seems to need a pass as well)
Who do we have doing what half the team used to do. It is down to one man
Nani.
maybe Gibbo, but he needs glasses or sommat.
Our attach is SHITE!
Defense is doing the job, Lay off Carrick!
@ Costas- look at you quoting stats right from this page
you’re addicted! I was just wondering whether Scott made a boo-boo there or whether it was actually true. I know Crawley had 9000 fans at the game, guess by the time the Scousers found out their King had returned they couldn’t get tickets? Or maybe they didn’t bother cause they knew it was a futile cause.
Lay off Carrick!
@ FletchTheMan- how about EnglishCarrickBomb? lol a little bit homoerotic, but that’s not such a bad thing
And why is the little ticker box at the bottom lying to me about notifying me of comments? I see no emails :@ grrrr
Carrciak stats for the year in EPL
GAMES GOALS ASSISTS SHOTS
18 0 0 11
Says it all I think.
Micheal Carrick is a very good player, but he’s no Rocky Balboa.
willierednut- super random, or a (possibly inside) joke i did not get.
you guys are being unusually slow posters right now..where will i get my kicks from? sigh…
10 goals against them last year, and Owen scored his first at the JJB. good times….
O’Shea said (on the Utd site) that the team know they have to get wins now and will be going for it and throwing men forward. I hope there’s a thrashing at the JJB tomorrow. Would love one, after the yawnfests the previous 2 games provided and we do love scoring against Wigan
Sorry to be a pedant but it’s “fool-proof”.
@dave red
all spurs fans are from the smoke, are they? I’m a Yid who was born and bred in Salford. COYS!!
Well, it’s not pedant proof.
@ Northern Spur.
Mate, if you read the end of my comment, you would see I said
‘and the sun shines every day as well’
It was an attempt at ‘irony’
To me it doesnt matter where you are from – ‘its where you are at’
That proves my point as well then- Manchester isnt ‘laser blue’
Where is this alex blue fellow? Ripped apart from what i read lol
Its nice how those idiots unite us even more… Costas, Willie, TonyBee, smartalex & co totally destroyed the deluded ‘person’
@Tomo – Nevertheless, there’s not much point in this article, especially if accurate figures are impossible to obtain. I could do an article about stadium noise, but I don’t really want to have to argue with United fans if I tell them that they’re some of the quietest in the country unless they’re winning or have nicked a late injury time gamesaving goal….
DaveYid – Empty seats at stadium are discussed and mentioned by browsers every day, so it is not accurate to say the article is pointless. Of course, I agree that no startling revelations were ever likely to arise from it. Fortunately, it is a discussion piece, not an officially sanctioned report upon which stadium seating considerations rely. Even you have spoken twice.
With regard to noise levels, you’ll have to speak up if you want to be heard.
BANG! Another one shot down by a mighty red
I feel for some of you guys, having to live in a town with sad folks like that.
I had a wonderful impression of Salford because of the nice buildings and serene surroundings, but for it to house such sad folks too… it’s really unfortunately. It’s like taking a first class seat in a flight, but the toilets have no doors – you get a stench every now and then. Urgh!
Stats are just stats – derive your own conlusions from them. For me, I really hand it to Arsenal – the last time Scott posted such a comparison, I recall they had the best record as well.
I wouldn’t read too much into those single digit % empty seats… it’s those with double digits that are of concern. Apparently, it’s too draining to travel to watch City vs Juve on a weekday evening, probably because most were afraid they’d pay to watch a drubbing. Confidence in the team eh.
Crucial 10 days ahead, beginning tonight!
Bastard i missed some laughs on here last night looking at this. Wasn’t blue alex an angry little man! Going to bed with his goergeous wife at ……………………8pm. What a lying cunt.
Orez – Yeah mate pointless stats. How is Carrick gonna score when he doesnt move over the halfway line? That was the point of that debate.He has been given a DEFENSIVE midfield role. How many goals has Alonso scored at Madrid? Mascherano at the dippers? Won’t even mention Barca considering he has played about a minute. Busquets? According to you the other night if we win the title our midfield sjouldnt receive medals.
I see fields of green, red players too
I see them fire, for me and you
And I think to myself, what a wonderful world.
I see fools in blue and crowds of shite
The bright blessed way, that we’re always right
And I think to myself, what a wonderful world.
The colors of the republik so pretty in the sky
Are also on the faces of people going by
I see friends shaking hands saying how do you do
They’re really saying I love United.
I hear bitters crying, I hear them groan
They’ll lose much more than I’ll ever know
coz they’ll still be losing, long after I’m gone
Yes I think to myself, what a United world.
how do i get man utd tickets as cheap as possible? its not like i dont put value at my team, but all the tickets i find online is around 150 quid but im abviously looking for cheaper tickets. Ive never been at old trafford before, but have seen man utd twice in London last year; white heart lane and craven cottage.
@DaveYid
Most grounds are quiet these days, unless the home team is playing ‘a big game’
Fans behind the goals try to make noise, but loads of people go now for the match
day ‘experience’ or are day trippers – this applies to all the big teams.
Most of the other mid/lower end of table teams dont even fill their grounds.
At least for top games at OT,the club dont hand out those ‘joke’plastic flags to
create an atmosphere like they do at the Arse/Chelsea grounds.
Poor old Alex Bitter Blue …. he hates any blog that shows how small City’s fan base is and therefore how unsustainable their business model is. By the time UEFA Financial Fairness plans are fully adopted, he’ll be pleading for Fans in Malaysia or any where else to buy their shirts!