STATS: United vs City – The Best Supported Club Since The 1940′s and Before Premiership?

112 Comments

1. January 6, 2010 at 16:05

   Mhd bzew says:

   Thx for Stats:

   But why comparing yourself, our attendance or anything with these bitters…
   do not look down (where they are)
2. January 6, 2010 at 16:06

   manu4ever says:

   what will be interesting will be the stats 10 years after sir Alex has departed.
   continued success is not always a given, look at how Liverpool disintegrated after the eighties.
   lets just hope we can find a manager of good ilk. and to be able to afford his wages, i dread the day may come when we were knocking on the relegation door, and the prawn munchers has long gone.

   league cup winners 2010
3. January 6, 2010 at 16:09

   Phil The Blue says:

   My oh my, you must have had a wonderful time compiling that lot. Now research pre-second world war. The two richest clubs in English football were Arsenal and Manchester City. Also do some research on Konkatief’s long-wave 60-year cycle economic theory. The cycle change is about due now isn’t it?

   It is the future now. Oh, and are you taking part in the forthcoming bond issue?
4. January 6, 2010 at 16:16

   Scott the Red says:

   Phil – Feel free to do the research yourself and let me know. I’ve only got data from that website which goes back to 1947. For the past 63 years, United have had a higher average attendance than City… EVERY.SINGLE.SEASON. If you don’t think that’s conclusive enough proof of which team is the better supported, please do post up something to the contrary, rather than bleating on about the future. Liverpool have been doing that since 1990 and I haven’t seen them collect any league titles…
5. January 6, 2010 at 16:16

   wainw00l says:

   Another interesting report, this one about where season ticket holders are from (within Manchester or outside it)

   http://www.e-space.mmu.ac.uk/e-space/bitstream/2173/12506/1/seasonticketreport%20-%20brown1.pdf
6. January 6, 2010 at 16:23

   King George the Switzer says:

   Good analysis Scott – sticks it to ‘em!
7. January 6, 2010 at 16:25

   willierednut says:

   Great stats scott, doubt it will shut up the deluded city fans.
8. January 6, 2010 at 16:25

   Gotta hate tiny tears says:

   manu4ever
   change your user name to something less dosrespectful
   @ scott
   your blog is always one of the most informative united and for the most part football sites on the net but this one blew me away .
   amazing read
9. January 6, 2010 at 16:27

   Macheda IS GOD says:

   How the fuck can you compare us to that city fans?
10. January 6, 2010 at 16:31

    Talljonny says:

    Obsessed?
11. January 6, 2010 at 16:36

    afromanc says:

    haha, scott is a bit of a legend
12. January 6, 2010 at 16:37

    gazman93 says:

    conclusive evidence of what most of us already knew. brilliant read.
13. January 6, 2010 at 16:38

    Scott the Blue says:

    Nice one Scott – if I had the time to read it, I’m sure it would prove what you set out to show. As you may remember, I posted a few times yesterday and managed – I think – to provide reasonable debate without stooping to unnecessary insults.

    Having had a quick flick through the comments made long after I’d retired to bed, it’s fair to say that the following statements could be made:

    1) Both sides have a fair percentage of internet morons. You know the sort – feel the need to type in UPPERCASE TO MAKE THEIR POINT AND ALWAYS FAIL TO INCLUDE PUNCTUATION SO YOU EVEN GET OUT OF BREATH READING IT AS YOU DONT KNOW WHERE ONE SENTENCE ENDS AND THE NEXT ONE STARTS AND USUALLY INCLUDE A FAIR SPRINKLING OF CNUTS AND FCUKERS JUST IN CASE WE DIDNT GET THE HINT THAT BECAUSE WE DONT SUPPORT THE SAME CLUB AS THEM THEY MUST BE SOME KIND OV RETARD. And other such stuff.

    2) United have a larger supporter base, a much bigger ground, a wider global appeal and a vastly bigger trophy haul.

    I cannot, and would not, change who I support. Like most Blues (and Reds) the team I support was not my choice. I was a City fan because my old fella was a City fan – I didn’t watch a cup final and think “they’ll do” (no that anyone could have picked City using this method in 30 odd yrs anyway!) I find it amazing to think that a United fan would think that “all fookin CITEH fans are fookin thick coonts” the same as I would tell a Blue if he said the same about a Red.

    To be absolutely honest, I’d rather see us battling it out in every final, and see City and United at 1st and 2nd in the league every year. If that proves to be the case I’ll be happy, as it’ll mean that Manchester is THE football City and the scousers/cockneys/geordies/brummies will be watching on with envy.

    All the best Scott.

    Cheers,

    Scott the Blue
14. January 6, 2010 at 16:38

    willierednut says:

    United attendances>city attendances. Phil the blue, pre-second world war is that the last time you won a trophy, only kidding its only 34 years.
15. January 6, 2010 at 17:03

    devil@singapore says:

    amazing stats. but bloody more amazing is where é hell u manage to locate & compile those data. hats off scott. very impressed.
    Manchester is Red, very very Red, has been Red from Day 1.
16. January 6, 2010 at 17:08

    Gotta hate tiny tears says:

    whats gary neville “feeding the goat”.
    city or united fans can answer in what ever way they want i just googled nevilles medels
17. January 6, 2010 at 17:10

    bchilds says:

    Nice research Scott, also a good post by Scott the Blue!
18. January 6, 2010 at 17:11

    Scott the Red says:

    Scott the Blue – if you can’t be arsed to read the post, I don’t really understand why you’re bothering responding.

    The stats show that every single year since 1947, regardless of the success, United have had a higher average attendance than City… even when we were in Division 2 and you finished 8th in Division 1.

    Of course we wouldn’t change who we support, but then, that’s not what the article is about. The article is essentially saying more people have chosen to support United every season for the past 7 decades. Long may that continue!
19. January 6, 2010 at 17:21

    SITS says:

    I know the website doesn’t provide it but it would be interesting to see what percentage of the capacity of the ground was filled each year.

    Also it needs to be noted that United had higher attendance than city even when the stadium was being redeveloped.
20. January 6, 2010 at 17:25

    Lambo says:

    Scott the Red… you summed it all up when you said “chosen”. LOL
    Yup ..up and down the country you’ve got all the choosers…. nice workYou dont get it do you?
    Oh and by the way …are you sure united have sold all their tickets for the COMS semi…. you havent checked have you…
21. January 6, 2010 at 17:29

    Scott the Red says:

    Lambo – so in 1947, there were people up and down the country CHOOSING to support United? Don’t be soft. They were Mancs. If I was just showing data from the past 20 years I might understand where you were coming from, but there weren’t any glory supporters in the 1940s! In 74-75 when we were in Division 2, you think it was people from Suffolk who travelling up to watch us play? You funny bastard.

    Every single year for 63 years there have been more fans at United than at City. Makes you look like morons for claiming Manchester is blue, doesn’t it.

    And of course United have sold all their tickets for the Wastelands semi. I was one of the thousands of applicants who was turned down because it was over subscribed, like always. We ALWAYS take full allocation on away days.
22. January 6, 2010 at 17:35

    Gotta hate tiny tears says:

    SITS
    are you saying that after theworld war 2 bombings United got more United fans Into a City ground than City got into there own ground
23. January 6, 2010 at 17:39

    King Eric says:

    Lambo – Have you seen United’s away support? They have sold out, no fear of that.
24. January 6, 2010 at 17:39

    Gotta hate tiny tears says:

    http://www.studs-up.com/2010/01/puppicide/
25. January 6, 2010 at 17:43

    devil@singapore says:

    side note juz wanted to share after reading this post on é unrival support of the red in manchester. got abit emotional aso after reading scott the blue about his old fella being a blue. god knows how many thousand miles away from manchester where i am, when i started following man utd in é 80s, i was too under é influence of my old man & brother. they were both & of cos still are man utd fans. during those days, there were more dippers followers over here. i dont know & had never ask y old man & bro y they supported man utd. probably there was never a need to ask. u noe, my old man doesnt speak or understand english, he’s 71 now, doesnt watch much football anymore (probably cos of é english commentary) on tele. but he bloody hell still knows all é man utd 1st team players, where we stand on ê table every week, who we playing next. all this thru passionately following man utd news from é chinese paper. talk about support lads.
    thank u old man.
    u show me what is RED.
26. January 6, 2010 at 18:33

    Mark the Devil says:

    I always knew city fans were bitter but you can add being thick as well. Fucking village idiots!
27. January 6, 2010 at 19:16

    Red phil says:

    Scott, have a look around for a stat about season ticket postal codes. I havnt time but will later.

    It was basically a bit of research about season ticket holders postal codes and turned it into some kind of percentage, I think the Geordies came top. It showed that united were something like the fourth closest supported club by percentage. It’s because we have so many fans that the common thought is none of our fans are from Manchester.

    For the record, united were ahead of city et al.

    Personally, I can handle the shite about our fans not being from Manchester, I’d rather that than having fans that murder, or fans that rock ambulances, or fans that punch women etc.
28. January 6, 2010 at 19:54

    ro says:

    Have you done any research into how much disposable income the people of Manchester had during this time? It could be a case of people not being able to afford going to games.

    The record attendance for a club game in England was between who?
29. January 6, 2010 at 19:57

    SITS says:

    @Gotta hate tiny tears

    Yep, even when we were sharing the stadium we had more fans in attendance inculding having the record for the highest league attendance of 82,950 against Arsenal in 1948 at Maine Road.

    I’ve done a graph and sent it via email to RoM – hopefully they can use it!
30. January 6, 2010 at 20:06

    Fred says:

    Fantastic research, Scott the Red. No surprise though to see the first retort from one of our blue brethren completely ignore what was written in the article and stick to the usual stuff: we’re stinking rich, you’re loaded with debt. They’re very knowledgeable football people, don’t you agree?
31. January 6, 2010 at 20:11

    ro says:

    Record attendance in English club football is 84,569, recorded at Maine Road on 3rd March 1934 Manchester City v Stoke City.
32. January 6, 2010 at 20:17

    Bebeto says:

    If you know your history, you know United have always been a well supported club. Before Munich (which a lot of idiots claim won us sympathy supporters), following it, and during a long period that newcomers to the game simply wouldn’t associate with a club that has dominated the modern era.

    I don’t give a shit what any of our rivals say. The passion for the club, so often reflected in attendances, can never be questioned. Trying to assume the role of ‘passionate underdogs’ on the basis that we’re some sort of bandwagon juggernaut has never washed, nor will it begin to. Them trying to so desperately perpetuate the myth is cringe inducing.
33. January 6, 2010 at 20:23

    Ste68 says:

    Or stewards who throw the disabled down stairs, or owners who bleed the club dry, or a manager who made a fortune from a club shop while the families of dead players got nowt. We can all give examples of the more distaseful elements of clubs and there supporters.

    I presume the point of this article is to show utd have more fans from M/cr rather than prove you have a larger fan base (which is obvious). The fact is I have no problems with Manc Man u fans but pity the singapore syds (I’m a glory hunter cos me dad was) and the kennys from kent.
34. January 6, 2010 at 20:27

    Bebeto says:

    The stewards are cunts. No arguments there.
35. January 6, 2010 at 20:31

    Fred says:

    @Ro – Sounds like a classic. Didn’t City also have the tallest floodlights in the football league?
36. January 6, 2010 at 20:32

    SITS says:

    @ro

    Highest League Attendance not cup game…
37. January 6, 2010 at 20:36

    Big Bad Wesley Brown says:

    Fred: indeed they did, my friend – well remembered. I believe they have the tallest corner flags and the greenest grass too.
38. January 6, 2010 at 20:38

    aig alex is god says:

    Fred

    Agree mate.City fans know that when it comes to trophies, global appeal,history and fanbase city are nowhere near us.That is why all that they talk about is about being the richest club in the world and about our debt or maybe a shock defeat we have suffered.
39. January 6, 2010 at 20:43

    aig alex is god says:

    Ac Milan Vs Genoa tonight

    Beckham starts his first game for Milan. Will be intresting to watch since we play them in 40 days time
40. January 6, 2010 at 20:45

    Fred says:

    In fairness to City, they were the first English club to win THREE “purely decorative” stars to put on their badge.
41. January 6, 2010 at 20:52

    Scott the Blue says:

    Scott the Red,

    I acknowledged the content of your article as being factual and correct. I also said I didn’t have (or take) a great amount of time to read it, but again confirmed I had no argument with it. What I didn’t say was that I couldn’t be arsed to read it!

    For Fred’s benefit, in claiming us Blues ignored the facts and spewed “we’re richer than you” jibes, I’d refer him to my earlier post where I (the 2nd Blue to post) did the exact opposite of what he claims.

    I only wish – for once – that the occasional Red would concede that a club like City do remarkably well to attract the crowds they do considering the crap we fans have been served up for the last 30 odd years. It aint easy being a Blue sometimes you know? Particularly in light of the fact that at exactly the same time, your nearest and dearest happen to embark on the most successful trophy winning sequence of any club in history. Try supporting your club through that! The easiest thing in life is to be a gloater – anyone can shout and laugh when they’re at the top of the tree, although the type that crow the loudest are usually the ones you don’t hear a peep from during the lean times. I’m not pointing any fingers at anyone specifically here Scott, as I’m sure someone who’s passionate enough to devote the hours you do into this blog will be a Red win lose or draw. You know the type I’m describing though.

    Hope this clears things up – if you don’t want reasonable debate or want me to post again, feel free to delete or tell me to do one…your choice!

    Cheers Scott,

    Scott the Blue.
42. January 6, 2010 at 20:55

    Scott the Red says:

    Scott the Blue – it’s a shame you didn’t take time to read the article then. It baffles me that you would keep responding without doing so.

    You say: “I only wish – for once – that the occasional Red would concede that a club like City do remarkably well to attract the crowds they do”

    In the article I said: “What is clear is that Manchester has two very well supported teams, particularly compared to the rest of the country, and that support isn’t necessarily totally dependent on the success of the club.”
43. January 6, 2010 at 21:09

    MG says:

    On another note:

    Mr. Beckford slayer of Manchester United – the saviour of Leeds United – the Prince of Leeds United – the God of the non believers – the Master of our downfall:

    Has handed in his request for transfer.

    So may I?

    Fuck Leeds – who the fuck are Leeds? Where are Leeds? The FA cup does not need Leeds – it only wants them for dumping United out – Leeds will not roll back the years – Leeds got fucking lucky – we were shit and yet Mr. J. Beckford who the Leeds fans cried over for dumping United out on Sunday are now told to fuck off by the player himself.

    Leeds fans come back crashing down into reality – just like the fucking deluded press

    Leeds have won fuck all – and now there best player has to hand in a transfer request – so much for the Manchester United downfall then
44. January 6, 2010 at 21:09

    Scott the Blue says:

    Scott the Red – fair comment, I admit to missing that particular reference although I did look over it fairly quickly as I stated. Hands up.

    I have posted because I’m interested enough to do so, and I don’t mind engaging in reasonable debate when and where I find it, be it Blue, Red or otherwise biased. I don’t change my views or my language to suit and I don’t entertain the knuckle draggers. I’m sure there are a few contributors of a red persuasion that make you cringe when you read their posts and a fair few blue ones too. Credit to you for allowing posts from both camps, it’s just a shame the age of the internet has generated a sizeable contingent from the neanderthal camp intent on spoiling it.
45. January 6, 2010 at 21:12

    Fred says:

    Scott the Blue, I acknowledge that you didn’t go down that road and commend you for it. It is nice to see some reasoned discussion between rival fans for a change. However, you did write that you hadn’t even read the article and went on to claim that United’s superior attendances even in the 40s could be explained by United having “a larger supporter base, a much bigger ground, a wider global appeal and a vastly bigger trophy haul.” What, United were this ‘global brand’ adored by glory-hunters even back in 1947, when our “glory” consisted of 2 league titles and an FA Cup?

    “To be absolutely honest, I’d rather see us battling it out in every final, and see City and United at 1st and 2nd in the league every year. If that proves to be the case I’ll be happy, as it’ll mean that Manchester is THE football City and the scousers/cockneys/geordies/brummies will be watching on with envy.”

    I would say the same (except United would be 1st and City 2nd!) but for the large number of your fans who celebrate the Munich disaster. I wish nothing but misery on those City fans. Sorry that the decent ones get tarred with that brush but ho-hum.
46. January 6, 2010 at 21:13

    Gotta hate tiny tears says:

    ro Said,January 6th, 2010 @20:11 Record attendance in English club football is 84,569, recorded at Maine Road on 3rd March 1934 Manchester City v Stoke City.
    `
    Same old shit really
    I also heard they’ve got curley watts is a celebrity fan
    and some more amazing city factsthat get brought onto this site like They had Ryan Giggs on schoolboy forms
    They’ve got 54 players and they’re no fucking good
    They had the future England Captain, but his cruciate went
    They’ve got 3 stars on their club badge
    They’ve got exec boxes with a balcony
    They’ve had seventeen managers in twenty years
    They take 25,000 to every away
    You can see Old Trafford from the Kippax Stand
    They’ve got the best goalie the world has ever seen
    They have a civic reception when they’ve won fuck all
    They had a continental Laser Blue Kappa Kit
    They’re going to turn Manchester into Milan
    They signed Spencer Prior on deadline day
    They’ve got the Gallagher brothers in the Guvernors
    They took a quarter of a million to Ewood Park
    They’ve got 3007 in a temporary stand
    They’ve got the tallest corner flags in the world
    They invade their pitch when they win 3 points
    They won the Shamrock Trophy in ’92
    They’ve got a farmyard animal and they play him up front
    They’ve got three million fans in Manchester
    It’s been 33 years and they’ve won fuck all
    They’ve got a dirty old slapper with a rusty bell
    They’ll stay up for 3 seasons – autumn, winter and spring
    They empty Stockport when they play at home
    They’ve got four different stands from a Meccano kit
    They’re the only team that come from Manchester
    All their fans live 10 minutes from the city of manchester stadium
    They’ve got the biggest bananas in the land
    They’ve got a centre forward with grooves in his head
    Their managers got a papier mache head
    They’ve got blue ketchup on their hot dog stands
    They’ve got greenalls bitter in the kippax stand
    They’ve got the greenest grass in the whole of the world
    They hounded Swales’ mam into an early grave
    They’ve got a gypsy curse on their massive pitch
    Their best player ever played for Ajax reserves
    They had a derby match with Macclesfield
    They had Colin Bell who was better than Best(!)
    They’ve been relegated ten times
    They had a chairman and a manager that wore a wig
    They bought Steve Daly for a million quid
    They tried to sign Geoff Thomas and he turned ‘em down
    They’ve got Bernard Manning as their fattest fan
    They used to be little, but now they’re large and finally my rom friends
    They sing racist chants, coz they’ve got no class
47. January 6, 2010 at 21:18

    mikekelly12 says:

    To be fair to Scott the Blue, It was Bitter Blue who made the comment yesterday that we are only supported as well as we are due to our success. I pointed out yesterday that when we dropped into the 2nd division our support was higher than it had been in all but one of the 4 previous years, but didn’t hear back from Bitter Blue after at. These stats prove that Manchester United have had support from a majority through thick and thin and not just from glory hunters. I don’t think anyone knocks City for their support. Like I said yesterday, “I have many City fans”….I meant to say I have many friends who are city fans and I take my hat off to the support they have shown the club over the years, as they do to me and my red friends. However, I think the point is, we as reds don’t generally knock your support, where as one of the majour weapons in the City banter armoury is how poorly Manchester United are supported from within Manchester and how it comes just from our recent success. The article Scott the Red has posted clears this up perfectly, therefore we should now put this arguement to bed.
48. January 6, 2010 at 21:30

    mikekelly12 says:

    MG – I had to have a laugh at Beckford. Handed it in on 30th Dec apparently, which is probably why he didn’t run over to the Leeds fans kissing his badge!
49. January 6, 2010 at 21:42

    aig alex is god says:

    Looking at AC MIlan they are not as weak as they are made to be. 2-1 up against Genoa with Ronaldinho missing a penalty but scoring the 2nd one they got.They are playing well tonight despite missing regulars like Pato,Seedorf and Zambarotta. Defensively they are susceptible with Nesta looking a bit shaky but attack wise they are dangerous. Beckham has had a decent game and his crosses are as dangerous as ever. Vidic,rio/evans will have to deal with them well .

    Will be a cracking game though over the 2 legs
50. January 6, 2010 at 21:48

    united.george says:

    our defense has to be top notch against Milan especially at the san siro. They are dangerous on the attack and many options for scoring. ronaldinho is slow, but does create chances for them. we will need to have rio back for this one along with vidic.
51. January 6, 2010 at 21:54

    billabongbob says:

    Why do people outside Manchester choose to support Manchester United? My reason still baffles me as I originate from Horsham in West Sussex. I come from a family that no one had an interest in football, we didn’t have a TV so couldn’t be influenced that way and every one else at my primary school supported Chelsea, Tottenham and some Leeds. My earliest recollection was being in the playground after choosing a team as a captain for the daily ‘playground dinner challenge’. I remember asking who is the captain of Manchester United and was told it was Bobby Charlton so said that I was Bobby Charlton. I hadn’d heard of him yet alone seen him play so to kmow about Manchester United was probably due to them winning the European Cup so the year would have been 1968. Even during the lean years of the 70′s and 80′s I never thought about not supporting them and now feel that I have the right to enjoy the success that is coming our way whilst it lasts. I started travelling to Old Trafford in 1973 as a 14 year old from Sussex, getting to Euston to catch the 8.15 train and lining up outside the Stretford end and getting home after 12 that night. Away games were attended also with not much to sing about in the silverware stakes. I only stopped going when I started playing Senior football and it clashed but during the late 80′s and early 90′s started going again. Now distance of 12,000 Km prevents me from going along to see them play live. I managed to attend the Wolves before Christmas and was seated right alongside the Wolves supporters and how ironic that an elderly fan should attack me with ‘a great game to choose as your first visit’. I told him that no one was forcing him to support Wolves and I would not take his cheap (or words to that effect!!) So to all who say I can’t support manchester United because I don’t live there, or have never lived there, SHOVE IT!
52. January 6, 2010 at 21:56

    sppibsihmkcrkg says:

    fuck me, first they try signing veron who has the sharp precence of mind to turn em down, now they’re signing vieira. Is this the same club who had fans tattooing kaka on their chests preseason? Whats happened to their marquee signings? Coz in my humble opinion signing midfielders who were past their best years ago don’t count as marquee signings!
53. January 6, 2010 at 22:07

    sppibsihmkcrkg says:

    scott the blue, first up it’s clearly apparent you are a balanced city fan. That unsettles some of us. We’re used to bile spitting, insult throwing can’t see the truth coz of their blue tinted glasses pricks. Thats just what we expect. My personal experience of blues prior to the arab influence was they were very bitter and jealous of our success. Frequently quoting money as the axis of all evil and the only reason for our success, and no matter how many times i tried explaining the cycle started with success, more money, more success etc etc it went unheard. Then the arab.s came. All of a sudden, money is great and you would win not only the league, the fa cup, champions league, carling cup, sign the top 100 players in the world, use gold studs with diamond inserts and so on and so on. To me the history of a football club is important and i accept you have had 30+ year of tears, but we have worked hard to get into the position we are today, and this seems to get lost on a lot of blues
54. January 6, 2010 at 22:20

    Ste68 says:

    They had an owner who liked to peep at ladies on the loo
    They have an owner who looks like he peeps at ladies on the loo
    They are the team every player in the world wants to play for – not Madrid
    They are debt free
    They don’t believe O’shea is gay – just affectionate
    They had George Best
    They had the next George Best – Steve Coppell
    They had the next George Best – Ralph Milne
    They serve the best prawn sandwich
    They won the treble with 11 local lads
    They are the most loyal fans in the world – except when supporting FC utd
    They had a chairman who hounded old ladies to sell there shares
    They never sang songs about hillsboro
    They have a bacon faced manager
    They were turned down by shearer – twice
    They could have signed Tevez
    They should have signed Tevez
    They don’t need a new striker – they have owen
    They were played off the park by Barca
    They took 10 million to Moscow
    They are supported by Eamon Holmes
    They are supported by Angus Deayton – who pays to peep at ladies on the loo

    Tiny tears this is fun
55. January 6, 2010 at 22:34

    Bebeto says:

    “They should have signed Tevez” – My sides! This IS fun!
56. January 6, 2010 at 22:35

    King Eric says:

    aig – You bastard! I have sky plused the Milan game and now you have gone and ruined it for me by giving out the score! Only messing mate. Gonna watch it anyway as a “scouting mission”.
57. January 6, 2010 at 22:39

    Scott the Blue says:

    Mike & sppibsihmkcrkg (great name!) – cheers fellas. Always up for a bit of friendly banter so I’ll pop back in from time to time.

    Scott – I’ll make sure I read from top to bottom next time mate!

    Cheers for now,

    Sott the Blue
58. January 6, 2010 at 22:41

    Scott the Red says:

    Ste68 – the problem is, our song is poking fun at City, whilst yours is just dripping with jealousy. You wish George Best played for you, you wish you had won the Treble, you wish you had won the Treble with so many local lads, you wish you were in Moscow… Jealousy is a terrible thing.

    As for Owen, that’s just funny. I can only assume you’ve blocked the winning goal he scored against you from memory. I can assure you I can still remember Tevez hitting the woodwork though

    Scott the Blue – make sure you do!
59. January 6, 2010 at 22:46

    sppibsihmkcrkg says:

    thought ghht’s list was better researched n thought through to be honest ste68 ha
60. January 6, 2010 at 22:47

    Hurdy Gurdy Man says:

    in full fairness with them not selling their tickets, it is the middle of a recession. not everybody can afford to go to every game and we were just gna stick out a team of kids. doesnt stop me from disliking them however
61. January 6, 2010 at 22:53

    Ste68 says:

    Yes I remember the Tevez miss but I missed the Owen goal as I left at full time. Did’nt realise it was a song and would struggle like a youth player in a shower with O’shea to name the tune you’d sing it too.
62. January 6, 2010 at 23:09

    Gotta hate tiny tears says:

    ste68
    everything on my list is facts that city are proud of
    everything on your list just reeks of bitterness
    and Oshea is gay ???? you’d wanna tell his misses before april cause they are getting married and she looks like this http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/lb/man_utd_awards_180509/john_o%27shea_2421601.jpg
    check the top of my list my man you had the next george best in your squad shame he left and became the most successful player in english football history in a red jersey.
63. January 6, 2010 at 23:21

    manchester is red says:

    This is how it feels to be city
    This is how it feels to be small
    This is how it feels when your team wins nothing at all
    Nothing at all, Nothing at all…

    33 years – FUCK ALL
64. January 6, 2010 at 23:46

    rooney the new king says:

    didnt united sell out old trafford when united were relagated in the early 70s
65. January 6, 2010 at 23:46

    King Eric says:

    Ste68 – Of course it is a song. He hasn’t gone out and researched all those facts just to poke fun at you.

    gotta hate – Well said pal. Why do rival fans come on here and try to spout facts when in truth they know fuck all about United. Plenty of people on here do know about United however and they will always see these idiots off.
66. January 6, 2010 at 23:53

    Scott the Red says:

    Ste68 – isn’t full time when the whistle blows? I assume your saw Bellamy’s ONE MINUTE LONG goal celebration (tee hee, 3-3 in your cup final, eh?) though. Just think, if he hadn’t got so giddy, the ref wouldn’t have needed to add on that time. Gutting eh.
67. January 6, 2010 at 23:54

    20Legend says:

    I think the season that sums it up was in 1999:

    United beat Bayern Munich to complete the greatest ever achievement an english club will do for a long time The Golden Treble (I never tire of that phrase!!!)

    whereas…

    City were JUST about scrambling past Gillingham on penalties to get out of Div 3 (Noticably pipped to the automatic promotion places by fulham and walsall)

    Man Utd —– City

    Oceans apart and will always be looking upto us.
68. January 7, 2010 at 00:06

    MG says:

    A further comment

    The snow is bad

    It’s apparent that too many City fans who are nervous like fuck have too much time on their hands since the snow has blockaded them right in front of there computers on the republik of mancunia and thus find themselves on this United forum telling us that they are far superior and better.

    Now where have we heard that before?

    And Scott be careful: it appears to me that there sudden burst of activity over the last few days shows that something fishy is taking place

    Could it be that they are trying to take over this red blog?

    That Sheikh Mansour has been alerted of this website and that the little city of manchester want to claim our title?

    No Scott no we must stand up and fight : )

    I love it when a plan comes together! I had to say that for the sake of it!
69. January 7, 2010 at 00:10

    Gotta hate tiny tears says:

    Ste68
    what does it matter if there’s 45 extra minutes time added on. United scored in the 6th minutes of extra time what’s to stop city scoring the winner in that time . United scored a 4th goal because they wanted to win. City didn’t score because they wanted to sit in a draw . That’s why united are 2 points off the top even after 5 losses and 1 defender. And citys manager got sacked because of all the draws
70. January 7, 2010 at 00:15

    united.george says:

    i think we should thank the city fans for coming on this blog and making us laugh. we were all so miserable following sunday’s game and needed a diversion, and in they come with their twisted reality…i am thinking that sheikh mansour might have banned city from having their own blog, so they come here to talk. Scott, perhaps you can create a separate tab for city talk?
71. January 7, 2010 at 00:22

    Gotta hate tiny tears says:

    I love Manchester united and with that love comes a dislike of rival teams Leeds Liverpool city etc . but Liverpool have 18 league and 5 champions leagues under there belt so as a football fan you have to take your hat off to there history But when I found out what the 3 stars over the city crest ment any chance of any type of respect for that club is never gonna happen. Putting them stars on the jersey should bring more shame and embarrasment to a city fan than a childish tevez poster ever could
72. January 7, 2010 at 00:49

    Red phil says:

    Any news on phil Neville?
73. January 7, 2010 at 00:49

    Jandsdad says:

    @ GHTT

    I think you find that the 3 stars symbolise 3 decades of 0 trophies.
    At least they have the biggest flood lights in the football to keep the snow away from their pitch ……. Oh wait
74. January 7, 2010 at 00:54

    Gotta hate tiny tears says:

    Jandsdad
    the 3 stars are there for design and that’s all
    the only thing they’ve done 3 times is come second
    they want to look like they’ve done something like England Italy Celtic etc do but without the stars meaning anything they just look like a supervisor atburgerking
75. January 7, 2010 at 00:55

    rooney the new king says:

    that clown alex the way chelsea have the nerve to tell everyone how chelsea are in better condition to win the league than united. is any other clown going to take another shot at united come one united win the fucking league title

    http://www.strettyender.com/alex-arsenal-are-a-bigger-threat-than-united
76. January 7, 2010 at 01:03

    Jandsdad says:

    @ ghtt

    yes mate i know, was being sarky.
    I think it says alot for United , and begrudingly the dippers,to not have the stars to show how high their standing is in world football.
    The massive’s will clutch at any straw to make them feel special.
77. January 7, 2010 at 01:45

    ¡No Pasarán! (Altrincham, Greater Manchester) says:

    They got the tallest floodlights in the land
    They got Curly Watts a celebrity fan
    They got Bernard Manning a dead racist man
    CITEH ARE SHIT.

    On a more plaintive note,

    why do CITEH fans have bitterness, resentment and jealousy seething from every one of their revolting orifices ?

    I’m fucking annoyed bout the match being canceled, got my ticket and everything, the 19th feels a long way away now – can’t wait to fucking scream at those racist bastards
78. January 7, 2010 at 02:00

    ¡No Pasarán! (Altrincham, Greater Manchester) says:

    I love this club and all you revisionist Stalinist CITEH supporting sheep can choke on yer blue ketchup. Your club has achieved nothing over the past 34 years, don’t try to convince neutrals that it has….well, i’m raising a glass to the next 34 years of cobwebs for your trophy cabinet
79. January 7, 2010 at 02:20

    The Truth: Manchester, England says:

    The unpalatable truth for “You-Ni-Ted” followers is that Manchester City Football Club are getting higher average attendances now after almost 34 years without winning a major trophy, 28 years since a major semi-final or final, 6 relegations, 17 + managers & countless false dawns than “they” were when they won their first Premier League crown in 1993 (despite them winning approx 4 major trophies in the years 1990-1992). Since then ‘Ted have won virtually everything and their crowds are now almost double what they were in 1993.
80. January 7, 2010 at 04:04

    vidic will get ya 15 says:

    fuckin well pissed off i cant go wastelands anymore, gotta fuckin work for the rearranged game had to sell my ticket,
    must say a big thanks to manhester city for sellin cheap tickets £26 quid for their semi final, but as you all keep statin about our debt we will be charging you cunts £52 to help us pay it off. think off the money you will all save from not being in europe though to be fair
81. January 7, 2010 at 04:21

    Rob the Red says:

    Very surprised nobody has mentioned the post by wainwOOl @16:16. Amongst other things it proves we have more season ticket holders in Manchester, and City have more season ticket holders than us in EVERY Stockport postcode. Post it up Scott it’s very good!!
82. January 7, 2010 at 05:05

    ¡No Pasarán! (Altrincham, Greater Manchester) says:

    *BREAKING NEWS FROM GRANADA REPORTS*

    Fat/Smelly/Neurotic Mr. Benitez is said to be interested in signing both Burnley’s David Nugent & Wolves’s striker Chris Iwelumo in a double loan deal swoop to boost their attack in a flawed bid to save their flatlining season……more news from that shit-stained Merseyside rat-infested hovel later….

    *lN OTHER NEWS*

    Inbred racists at MOAN City have initiated their Arab-influenced bludgeoning of world talent (and the principles of football) with the stunning signing of PATRICK VIERA – otherwise known as Shaun Goater’s slightly better looking uglier cousin. The latest addition to the CITEH bench is sure to set the empty seats of CITEH of Manchester Stadium and the scum-infested streets of Stockport alight with his technical wizardry and generally detestable attitude
83. January 7, 2010 at 05:28

    ¡No Pasarán! (Altrincham, Greater Manchester) says:

    *AND FINALLY……..*

    It has been reported that a certain collective of incestuous sheep-molesters from across the Pennines have reacted badly to the latest news that scientists have discovered a genetic flaw in their DNA make-up which prevents them from behaving like civilized human beings. It has been suggested that these inbred specimens have more in common with the recently discovered Homo Rhodesiensis – a sub-human species of mammal which occupied the continent of Africa 400,000 years ago than the more recurrent Homo Sapiens species. Typical behaviour includes: an inability to control itself from poking or harassing local farmyard animals, a tendency to spit and shout at the Homo Sapien in lieu of civilized forms of communication viz. language. And a habit-forming tendency to abuse Homo Sapiens of a different colour, creed, or nationality. Such behaviour is typical in, but not limited to arenas of sport. If such a specimen of animal is encountered, please report the incident to your local branch of the RSPCA, or failing that, use of hidden traps, rifles and hunting weaponry are permitted.
84. January 7, 2010 at 06:28

    aig alex is god says:

    Gary Neville to quit football in June?

    Anyone heard more of this or got any confirmed news.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2797677/Neville-set-to-quit-football.html
85. January 7, 2010 at 08:33

    Costas says:

    Morning everyone.

    Yeah AIG, I just heard about Gaz Nev. I think United won’t offer him a new contract. I know fans lost some faith in him recently, but he is a loss because he is a locker room leader. I hope he will stay at the club as a coach. As far as his succesor goes? For me, it should be Fletcher. I think it’s time he got the number 7 shirt too. But I don’t see it happening. I think the next captain will be either Rooney or Evra.
86. January 7, 2010 at 08:47

    aig alex is god says:

    Costas

    Good morning

    Good point that about captaincy since Giggs wont play all games and rio’s fitness is still suspect. If he is fit and back to his best it has to be rio but otherwise i feel it should be fletcher. Rooney already has a lot of burden and this would put added pressure on him although he thrives on such ocassions when he is under pressure.Intresting becasue Vidic was the captain against Wigan so SAF may even opt for him. However a captain must be a leader and so it must be Rooney or fletcher and considering fletcher plays in midfield it must be him.Dont want Rooney dropping to deep if things arent going our way

    The stat you pointed out yesterday of United losing only 2 games in 60 odd matches when fletch starts also shows how important he is to United and how far he has come
87. January 7, 2010 at 09:56

    Ashish says:

    Thank you for arguing this case so convincingly which has exposed the lies that the bitters have propogated for a long time.
88. January 7, 2010 at 10:06

    Wasim Akram says:

    United better than City, even God accepts dat
89. January 7, 2010 at 10:13

    bchilds says:

    Nice stats Scott
90. January 7, 2010 at 12:00

    Costas says:

    @AIG

    Yeah, he is really starting to become dependable like Roy Keane was. In the last 2 seasons, we have only lost one match where he was in the heart of the midfield. At Chelsea. He was present in other losses, but he played in defence(Fulham and Villa) or as a right winger(Fulham last year and Zenit). As you said, it’s time we had a captain who will play week in week out. Good thinking about Rooney. He doesn’t need any more burdens. I guess the question is if Fletch will want to be captain.
91. January 7, 2010 at 18:46

    Talljonny says:

    And I thought we were just a little club…..! Who’d have thought you were all that bothered, we’re flattered.
92. January 7, 2010 at 19:06

    rooney the new king says:

    Costas – I thought we were better off when keane left in 2005 in that season. I so enjoyed united in the 05/06 season especially in the second half of the season. I would give the captain to rooney but my worry is why hasnt rooney got that contract signed.
93. January 7, 2010 at 19:17

    Scott the Red says:

    Talljonny – Flattered? Why? Because we exposed the lie your fans have been telling for years? I don’t quite understand.
94. January 7, 2010 at 20:33

    Costas says:

    @rooney the new king

    After his hip operation, Roy startedlosing his influence on games and truthfully, when he left in 2005 it gave us a chance to play faster. But during his hayday, we missed him deeply whenever he was missing.
95. January 8, 2010 at 12:13

    Talljonny says:

    Flattered that someone spent this long working out the stats. I thought we were a little club you weren’t bothered about….aren’t your real rivals Liverpool, Leeds, Arsenal….?

    Funny thing is, despite all that research and time it doesn’t answer the question. “Is it true that City have the best support in Manchester? ” It tells us you have the higher attendances, have we ever argued that? It doesn’t tell us how many of your fans come from Manchester does it which is the age old taunt we throw your way.
96. January 8, 2010 at 12:32

    aig alex is god says:

    talljonny

    if you say most of United fans come from outside and not manchester, why does city struggle to fill their stadium despite having lower ticket prices.If you are from manchester you will yourself know that United supporters are more in Manchester than City supporters

    Scott worked these stats out to prove those city fans wrong who said United have had higher average attendances since we started winning trophies and most of the fans are glory hunters
97. January 8, 2010 at 13:54

    Talljonny says:

    I don’t say most, I say a higher proportion than with City.

    “Is it true that City have the best support in Manchester? Is it true that our fanbase is full of glory supporters who only starting coming once we’d won trophies? ”

    2 questions. Clearly the second has been proven above but I am from Manchester and wouldn’t say that United supporters are more in Manchester than City supporters, it depends where you live/where you drink surely?
98. January 8, 2010 at 14:01

    aig alex is god says:

    Talljonny

    ok. thats true.It does depend on where you live. You do have a point but if you read some of Scotts articles before this there were city fans accusing United fans of being glory hunters adn that being the reason United are so well supported and that is why he wrote this article
99. January 8, 2010 at 15:46

    Talljonny says:

    Fair enough, as you’d imagine I don’t spend much time on here, I only spotted this as newsnow linked to it.

    Fingers crossed City fans will be accused of being gloryhunters at some point!!
100. March 23, 2010 at 12:32

     ajopaul says:

     I thought I would just make it a triple figure comment by adding “Manchester is RED” get it!!
101. August 16, 2010 at 13:14

     maqcs says:

     Should really use percentages of ground capacity to compare, as old trafford has a much high capacity so will more than likey to be on top, otherwise it’s like comparing apples and oranges, i.e. meaningless
102. January 19, 2011 at 21:18

     MANCHSTER IS RED says:

     $h!+y you will never win any thing
103. April 14, 2011 at 13:48

     ted says:

     The difference between man utd and man city is like heaven and hell. Man utd is a club with tradition and history. Its a club coated and molded with pride, love and affection. That love and affection can be seen in the way SAF and the players celebrate every goal scored. It most be painful to be prawns and play things to mansour and his ilks .imagine the kind of fun and joke those arabs will be having in their arabs penthouses in manchester and in their desert homes. I prefer american alliance than the arabs who might have a dagger in their cloak ready to slash every blue throat in manchester for the fun of it they can’t get their money worth of success. I can imagine all the pains and jealousy that resides inside every blue fans towards their much rich and illustrous neigbhours in red shirts. But what I can’t understand is to be so poor and desperate as to pitch tent with mansour. Who told man city fans that they are rich? The money belong to mansour and his family and they can take it with them any time they are tired of having fun or waiting for the trophy. Money cannot buy the premiership else west brom would have bought it ahead of chelsea and man city. Its undoutably known that man utd has the biggest, highest and supporters and fan base than man city will have in another life time. So I suggest to citeh fans to join ‘em if you can’t beat ‘em.
104. September 8, 2011 at 10:50

     kippaxboy says:

     very interesting comments,just one note of caution the attendance stats dont take into account the number of City fans who attended both matches at Maine Rd
     during 1946-1949 period-my father and his brothers went every week to the ground which was a stones throw from Upper lloyd st where we lived and many other fans did the same
105. December 8, 2011 at 22:09

     Dunc says:

     Kippaxboy good comment, except you seem to have missed the fact that many United fans, including my dad his mates who were reds also attended all the games at Maine Rd while our ground was being rebuilt. My dad put his name on the season ticket waiting list as soon as he could after the war and eventually got 2 season tickets in 1965. Although in those days season tickets were restricted to 13,000 I doubt there’s ever been a City fan who waited the best part of 20 years for a season ticket. (The rest of this isn’t a reply to anyone in particular it’s just an opinion I’d like to state.)

     I’ve never been a red who’ll say that City aren’t a very well supported club and I’ll never say that they’re not a big club, but in my opinion anyone who believes that City have or ever have had more fans born and raised in the Greater Manchester area than United have is either daft or one of the bitter format of blues.

     When I was at school and for a long time after the City fans I knew used used to go on about how United fans came mainly from Salford and how it wasn’t even in Manchester. I used to say “neither is Middleton or Chadderton or Oldham, they’re in Lancashire, which is where we were all from. Now that’s changed and all they go on about is how most of our supporters are from London etc. But it’s basically just the same bull spun a different way.

     United do have a massive fan base from all around the country and from all around the world, and it’s true that fan base mainly arose from the Munich disaster when people who weren’t even interested in football became so, (although the European Cup even before that had started to grow the fanbase outside of Manchester) so there is massively more demand for tickets and therefore there is bound to be a higher percentage of Manchester born fans at City games than United games, but it is silly to confuse that with the amount of fans who either can’t go or choose not to who are from Manchester.

     The attendances posted here don’t lie, and if they don’t tell you a story then you don’t want to listen.
106. January 12, 2012 at 15:54

     Colin. B.M. Rising says:

     An interesting view but flawed. In the early years fans attended the club who was playing at home . Also trafford park in those days was a hive of activity ,where workers would attend old trafford just by its conveniece. A study has been carried out in manchester and proved that the city is 50/50 red and blue.
107. April 6, 2012 at 09:35

     Sewerez says:

     Q.What is the pinnacle of ‘Manchester City’s History’ (Perfect Oxymoron)

     A. Cup Winners Cup

     Q. What was the attendance?

     A. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_European_Cup_Winners%27_Cup_Final

     Please think up a feasible lie before answering and not the usual bullshit
     By the way the game was of such importance that it was not televised live!!!!

     Big Club ha!ha! Same history as Portsmouth and less league titles than Huddersfield!!!!
108. July 21, 2012 at 13:32

     Teddie5000 says:

     @Seweredz

     If “Manchester City’s History” is an oxymoron, how can City’s history be the same as Portsmouth’s history? City have a rich history dating back to the 1870s when Ms G Connell proposed forming a club to stop the men of Beswick, Openshaw and Gorton fighting on their days off. Just because you are ignorant of it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

     - 1904 City were the first club from Manchester to win a major domestic trophy
     - 1970 City were the first club to lift a domestic and European trophy in the same season
     - 1934 Record Attendance for an English Club, City v Stoke, 84,569
     - Which was the last Manchester team to win the FA Cup? – Currently City
     - Which was the last Manchester team to win the League? – Currently City

     Cup Winners Cup

     The game was due to be shown live, however the FA Cup Final was drawn a few weeks earlier and the replay was played the same night. The BBC could only show one game and elected to show the FA Cup Final instead because it had two English teams in it and would therefore get better viewing figures. ITV on the other hand couldn’t show the game live, but instead beamed highlights afterwards.

     The crowd was poor in Austria for the final for a few reasons. Firstly Gornik Zabradze were from Eastern Europe and during the cold war, their fans could not travel abroad and so there were no Polish fans at the game. Secondly even for Western countries international travel was still expensive and Austria was a long way away from Manchester. So the bulk of the crowd would be made up of fans from Vienna. The stadium did not have a roof and with torrential rain, fewer than half the tickets sold for the match were actually used.

     The actual attendance at the game is unknown and has been reported at anything from 8,000 – 12,000. City had knocked out Schalke two weeks before. IN such a short space of time, an estimated 5,000 City fans made the trip, which is a phenomenal amount of fans considering the circumstances.

     As a result City actually lost money on the tournament and threatened to pull out of the competition the following year.

     When City won the FA Cup to qualify for the Cup Winners Cup in 1969, the match against Leicester sold out with 100,000 in attendance.

     Compare this to United’s match against Benfica at Wembley in 1968. A relatively short trip to London, the biggest prize in European football on offer and the chance to be the first English team to lift the trophy. With United massive support base, the fairy tale of Matt Busby creating his second great team, winning this final was United’s greatest ever achievement and they were almost at home…..

     If the game was of such importance for the best supported team in the universe, why didn’t it sell out?

     Please think up a feasible lie before answering and not the usual bullshit
109. August 27, 2012 at 20:45

     phealens tash says:

     united in ‘far better support than city’ shocker
110. September 5, 2012 at 01:05

     TheTruth says:

     Well played Teddie5000 you really pulled Seweredz pants down & gave him a good hiding there.
111. October 4, 2012 at 05:07

     CTID12 says:

     1) Scott the Red…I’m pressuming your ‘a red’ and so what position are you really in to be creating articles and blogs or whatever on something which you support one side of? Straight away, your point is lost on me because your a fan of one of the teams. Being a United fan also kind of comes with a free pair of rose tinted specs so a little difficult to take seriously in a debate.

     2) United may have had higher average attendances. I can’t remember many City fans saying they didn’t. I think what City fans refer to is that they have always had a big following. Perhaps not big in terms of some clubs, but big in terms of football. They have also had very loyal fans, supporting them when they won…….and also when they lost.

     3) City’s fans were mainly from Manchester, whereas Uniteds were from many random countries around the world, a lot of which most probably couldn’t name three players.

     4) You are basing these attendances on averages. Forgetting the obvious word known as…capacity. A capacity percentage I think is what your looking for to be fair. United seat more and therefore are naturally unlikely to attract 12 fans a week. Although there is talk of course that Citys ground will be dramatically upgraded in the not too distant future.

     5) Attendances in general…are they really relavant? Whether City bring in one fan a week and United bring in millions, isn’t it winning games and trophies that count. Something which are managing perfectly well with our…”20,000 empty seats”. But thanks for your concern enough to sing about it.

     6) United fans common words…City aren’t a big club, they aren’t our main rival, where are all their fans….I would say, I think you know were a big club, if we wern’t, you wouldn’t be talking about us as much as you are (not that its for United to decide whose a big club). I think you know that were you main rivals because were your neighbours and your biggest threat.

     People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones which United have done for years. Perhaps a bad idea.

     United are known for excuses, known for changing the subject, known for being bitter. How do you excuse 6-1 at home? Thats a start.

     I wouldn’t be suprised if my comment isn’t accepted onto the page because it might harm the red opinion and they might need to think of some facts and figures from 1930 when nobody was around to care about who won what. Live in the present.

     United…not arrogant, just better?
     United…not arrogant, just second.

     See you in December.
112. November 22, 2012 at 11:43

     BurnageRed says:

     @teddie5000,
     Funny how you mention all the hardships faced by fans trying to reach the 69 cup winners cup final,yet fail to state where the away team(Benfica) were from in the 68 european cup final.
     Portugal was and still is one of the poorest countries in europe.Add to that it was under communist rule at the time,maybe that explains the unsold tickets?.I know for a fact it does as UTD sold out theirs.
     Funny you don’t mention that.

     @CTID12,
     Attendances and winning games and trophies are all relevant-We’re miles ahead on all counts.
     Why would capacity percentages be more fair? You never sell your (council) stadium out and capacity percentages would only work if we had the same size stadiums.Too thick to figure that out?
     Even if percetages were used,we’d still be miles ahead-your early to mid 60′s,all of the 80′s and most of the 90′s averages are laughable
     And if city had more fans from Manchester,why the results on this page? Surely you’re not saying we had glory hunters in the 40′s and 50′s?

     Face facts Berties,we have(by a distance) the most Manchester based fans.After all,we were born first and the facts don’t lie.City fans do though,hence you being known as ‘The Liars’