For those who have played the equivalent of five games in the league, this is the ranking of how much distance they’ve covered minute on the pitch: 1. Rooney 2. Carrick 3. Van Persie 4. Cleverley 5. Scholes 6. Young 7. Welbeck 8. Evans 9. Rafael 10. Hernandez 11. Evra 12. Valencia 13. Vidic 14. Smalling 15. Ferdinand.
When you look at those who have played less than five games, it’s interesting to note that Shinji Kagawa covered, on average, 116.73m per minute he was on the pitch, even outworking Rooney! (Nani 107.41m, Anderson 107.21m and Giggs 107.01m)
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lol is this in reference to the jude that u were arguing on twitter with regarding rooney’s fitness? anyways awesome stats
are you sure of Rafael’s work rate?
Wow Valencia covering less ground than jonny Evans – thought his tracking poor this season
This is why kagawa will be the most important player for us. Can’t wait fore him to return
The partnership of Kagawa and Carrick would be very impressive, given that Carrick controls the midfield and Kagawa will instead link up between him and the attack. not to forget we have lads like Ando and TC who can join in as well should United need to lock the midfield. Valencia is fading it seems as the season grows on, he used to be the right wing dynamo, now its more like a so-so player, not wanting to beat his opponent at pace and his crossing is becoming awful
No doubt Rooney has the hardest work rate. He’s helping out all over the pitch, fantastic team player. Little surprised that van persie covers such a long distance, imressive!
Rooney is clearly out of shape.
I know where you’re coming from and hate to be a party pooper but distance covered does not necessary equate to effectiveness or ‘work rate’. Never has done and never will. This ain’t Forrest Gump. Allied to intelligent, skilful play, or an effective pressing game most definitely but running around per se, no. Swansea’s goal yesterday was an classic example of that.
Getting that frustrated itch that comes after watching us drop points. Just want to see us back out there again getting back on track. We really should see off Newcastle. Not only are they in poor form, but Tiote’s suspended for this one, so we should actually be able to control the game for the most part. City have two easy-looking fixtures coming up, so we can’t afford to drop points and give them the initiative.
Since RVP will likely be rested in one of the festive fixtures, maybe he should, ahem, get a booking on Wednesday? He’s already on 4 yellows and I’d rather lose him for the West Brom game than one of the games to follow.
So basically the inconsistent myth of Nani beinnng that is busted
and now we busted the myth that Valencia and Young covers more than Nani.
BUSTEDDDDDDDDDDD BIG TIME! Even though he has played less, that tells it all, and it’s amazing the covered meters of Kagawa WOW.
Can someone of you put last years coverings, so we could see them and compare
I hope nani does not leave in january , we need a player who can play both on the inside and out. lately it seems all young does is cut in and all valencia does is turn and pass it backwards
All of a sudden distance covered important then? Thought it meant feck all when people were arguing over Tevez.
its sad my player of last season valencia is looking so ordinary this season.i put it down to lack of form and confidence. he rily is not looking sharp at all.i hope he comes back stronger .wow what a game rooney had.was just not his day ;badly off form since our last game against sunderland in which he scored but missed a boat load of chances too.if valencia and rooney can regain some proper form and with kagawa coming back from injury utd will be nice. Disappointing draw but i got to give it to swansea they worked rily hard too.hoping nani gets at least the end of the season to prove he can cut it.
Smalling needs to play he’s a beasttttttt!
As someone repulsed by the Valencia > Nani hierarchy, this was candy to my eyes. But I actually think Nani should be covering less ground. It’s just not his game. We need an outlet to take the ball forward and run at players; and who better than Nani? He should be hanging around the halfway line like CR7 for Madrid, ready to break.
Valencia runs to the box but then waits for a striker. JUST SHOOT! If Johnson hadn’t bundled him over against Liverpool we would’ve dropped points, and that’s just one of many examples where he’s embarassed us.
@AlphaRS
it matters when it’s about people saying Rooney is unfit and that Nani doesn’t cover much.
It would be nice to see last seasons meters.
Like you can see the thing of Nani not running back is a myth
and him being inconsistent is als obusted as a myth by stats
These two combined together tells it all about Nani, that he is a hardworking lad who has scored against big teams 16times from his 39 goals, Chelski, arsenal, bayern munich, city, liverpool and tottenham.
The ideal thing is to get these to playing together http://www.eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Will-the-real-number-7-please-step-up-200×200.png
Nani and Valencia so we get our 2 best wingers there, the only problem is that Nani is better at the right wing
Milage covered means zilch to me,what does matter is how effective they are and some are not namely Nani couldn’t tell you when he last played even a half decent game.
@WeAreUnited
I think Carrick is the most underated player at United. He gets slated a lot on here.
He got slated a few years ago after his performance against Barcelona. What is conveniently forgotton is the triangle Messi, Xavi, and Iniesta formed around him so he couldn’t provide an outlet from defence.
@AlphaRS –> Carrick has been one of our best players this season. No question about that. Sometimes I am completely baffled by the stuff I read in comments here. I wonder if maybe I’m watching the wrong games
surprised to see Scholes is doing so much running, but that might explain why he’s fucked and needs a breather after playing 25 minutes…!
don’t want to be flooding the blog with this; but haven’t had any replies to my spare ticket for newcastle game yet (does anyone live in the UK on this blog??
my second season ticket isn’t being used for boxing day, and thought some people might enjoy going to the game at “real” price! I know there must be some suspicion towards someone offering tickets over the net hence why I’m offering for people who live in Manchester area so at least no travel to book or anything… if interested mail your details to temp address manutdticket@disposableinbox.com and I’ll contact you directly. (meet at OT round 1am)
This is actually pretty interesting! I wonder if Rio being so low means he’s old and lost his movement, or he’s just so experienced that he doesn’t run around like a headless chicken!
Off topic, how stupid are people on twitter? Do you have to take some kind of test and if you’re to smart you don’t get an account? Incredible! Had enough of that place!
What about de gea?
I am using two season tickets which are amazing near the press box.
@parryheid
“Milage covered means zilch to me,what does matter is how effective they are and some are not namely Nani couldn’t tell you when he last played even a half decent game.”
Look parry, the thing is this season our wingers are underperforming. Name whoever you want
First Youngie was injured, and the chance came for Valencia and Nani. Valencia played his part just ok and Nani was quiet, but played 2 good games for his standards.
Then Nani got injured, and Youngie with Valencia have their chances, Valencia played very good with the help of Rafael in that city game but has been underperforming and Youngie has played very good for about 3-4 games.
Also we know the fact that Valencia is also or was a bit injured. So basically what I am trying to say is that our wingers are underperforming, only Youngie has played for a while his part.
You see fro mthe distance covered that Nani is who covers more than the two lads so that MYTH is also busted.
You say that you care about the results, well this season
Nani has played 11 games and scored 2 and assisted 1.
Valencia has played 15 games with 0 goals and 3 assists
Young has played 13 games with 0 goals and 3 assists
Covered meters
Nani: 107,41m
Young: 104,11m
Valencia: 92,65m
So based on these stats, if Nani is being inconsistent then he is doing a very good job.
I also haven’t liked how Nani has played this season considering his talent, but this has been the same for me also with Valencia and Young.
So don’t be biased and say stats don’t mean anything, and when they are brought infront of you, you say you need how the played performs. Well is that enough?
@ALphaRS
carrick has been immense, our best player with DDG, rafael, chicha and RVP. this is my opinion.
peace.
im not that excited about kagawa…i saw nothing of him to be impressed of when he was playing…maybe its just a settling in period,but theres a chance he’ll be another veron ie a talent somewhere else but just wont fit in at united…hope am wrong…
good thing we bought rvp,because am sure kagawa was going to be our only bit of business for the summer
I think Kagawa as an individual might not be the greatestest player ever in the history of the world, but what was promising to me was his link up play with Cleverley. They seemed to have a very god understading when they played together, so I hope to see more of that. I would love to see us stick to the 4-2-3-1 formation, with Cleverley and Kagawa partnering up on the left and Young/Tony V on the right with one of either Carrick or Ando (provided his form doesn’t suffer yet again after being on the sidelines) doing likewise. Now, I’ve never been one to jump on the “Carrick is shite” bandwagon, but I am thoroughly surprised to see him as the player who runs the most. I guess that has to do with him never being an all action midifielder but always wanting to offer support to his teammates. I think he will flourish as long as we continue to partner him up along a more all-action midfielder, like when we would use him or Scholesy along Haargeaves.
tbh ive always thought carrick is our best midfielder…he knows how to keep things calm and cool and has composure…a fit ando is always the best partner for him even if clevz is fit…but seeing rooneys back and rvps playin id take out valencia and put clevz/young rooney and kagawa behind rvp
and if kagawas average id put in valencia instead or nani preferably
valencia needs time out of the team,or needs competition,because he doesnt look up to it atm
@zigoo
are you freaking serious about kagawa, I won’t even go there. cmon dude.
It took David Silva a while to settle to the PL, and it will take Kagawa also, and if and when SAF finds his place in the team you will see why he won the best player of germany award.
be real, he has played 6 games in the PL and scored 2 and assisted 1. he has covered 116,73m per minute.
ARE YOU SERIOUS??? and he hasn’t even been at his best or played on his position.
PLEASE. and I do apologise coming this straight, but I don’t apologise for you being impatient.
peace.
See! Proof of how lazy de Gea is.
Incredible how some commentators/pundits looked to blame him for Michu’s equalizer
I don’t know how well the balance of the team would be, but I’d like to see our front three consist of Kagawa (in the middle), Rooney and Van Persie. The only way this is going to work is if we ditch our classic 4 in the middle with wide wingers. But Ferguson talks often about that it’s in the history of our club to play with wide players so don’t know if my front three wish will come true… Or then he’ll play Kagawa out of postition as a wide midfielder.
WeAreUnited….please read my comment again!i didnt write him off,i just said i have not been impressed by anything so far,as in hes been ok..i said i hope he doesnt prove to be another veron,and i said that i hope am wrong!!
@zigoo
no I read it, and it’s your opinion, nothing against it, but when the lad has played only what 6 games? and you say this
“im not that excited about kagawa…i saw nothing of him to be impressed of when he was playing…”
you can’t say liek that and saying you didn’t write him off, it’s no excuse jus saying that I HOPE he proves me wrong.
When the lad plays 2 or 3 season and doesn’t improve, then you can say he’s another veron. but after 6 games it’s a bit crazy to start worrying those things.
whatever mate, it’s your opinion, just that you got that a bit fast. he’s not my brother or anything and i’m no moderator for United players haha, but suddenly you go at Kagawa without even seeing him play that much, which is FOR ME crazy.
peace mate!
nice to see these stats. just concerning the nani valencia debate. Nani has ALWAYS been better than Valencia. Nani has been the best wonger at United since Ronny left. that has Never been an argument in my opinion. this is why i think we have to do everything we can to keep him. just TOO dangerous to let go. he uses both feet easily. BY FAR our trickiest winger, always looks to beat his man as well. and in recent times he has added defending to his game too offsetting the one area valencia and young are better than Nani in and that is defending.
PS,
I just checked our strikers stats in EPL
Rooney : 14 games 7goals and 7 assists -> 14 points
-> CL and cups included : 19 games 8goals and 9 assists ->17points which is immense.
RVP : 18 games 12 goals and 6 assists -> 18points
->CL and cups included : 22 games 15 goals and 6assists -> 21 points
Chicharito : 11 games 5goals and 1assist + 8/11 as a sub -> 6points
->CL and cups included : 19 games 9 goals and 1 assist -> 10points
Welbeck 13 games 1 goal and 2 assists -> 3points (7as a sub and also many as a winger)
->CL and cups included : 20 games 1goal and 3assist
AMAZING stats. apart of Welbeck, but give the lad credit for playing as a winger.
Guys, this ronaldo desperate for a cumbek is gathering pace. Could the unthinkable happen????
Nani was displaced by Valencia and as I said the best part of two years ago he will never be good enough to reclaim the right wing back.As for the statement Nani is the best winger at United,horseshit and DeGea was given little to do vs Reading and did it badly poor pat out from the great shotstopper at fault for the goal.Think differently well that’s your prerogative dont get offended others think differently namely me.
Nani is a MUCH better player than Valencia.
… but Valencia uses his pace more, crosses better, defends better, is not as wasteful with the ball, doesn’t demand crazy unjustified wages and is generally far more consistent.
Buying RVP was great and all (he is twice the player Rooney is) but this just dooms us to 4-4-2 because Fergie isn’t going to leave one out consistently or in a massive game.
Heck who is better than who, its Christmas!
Merry Christmas everyone!
I am better than Marq at wishing people Happy Christmas.
Nani is gone isn’t he.
Blargh.
Nani hasn’t always been better. There was a reason Valencia kept starting ahead of him once he returned from his broken ankle 18 months ago. Even against Barcelona in the Wembley final. That being said, the best option has always been playing Valencia and Nani. In the 37 games where both of them have started on the wings, United have won 31, drawn 5 and lost just 1. Not that it’s likely to happen ever again…
Merry Christmas.
but Valencia uses his pace more, crosses better, defends better, is not as wasteful with the ball, doesn’t demand crazy unjustified wages and is generally far more consistent.”
Nice to see you being consistent with this bollocks and that’s only thing you can stand on really. Read the following article, i bookmarked it for myths like this.
http://www.redmancunian.com/2012/12/12/why-selling-nani-would-be-a-huge-mistake-for-manchester-united/
Just a side note. Now that Casillas was dropped for Real, maybe the rumors of interest for DDG is not as far fetch as it seems. Lets all get behind our young keeper and show him the love. Those blaming him for Swansea’s goal is being ridiculously unreasonable. He did all he could. If anyone is to be blamed, blame Evra & Evans for leaving that guy to shoot for free
@ samuel
Amen to that article. Totally agree with it.
Rooney, RvP and Nani are the only players that I can confidently say can change any game.
Valencia’s crossing is better, yet nani has gathered more assists during his career at united to place him amongst the world’s best wide men. “defends better” i’m sorry, this is not an attribute to be commended for although appreciative for an attacker to put in a shift to help. Nani is probably not as work man like going backwards but he helps as much as he can.
Nani scores more, creates more, wins games with sheer individual brilliance. Maybe he does want to entertain, more so than being “team” orientated. The only thing valencia has over him is directness. Nani wants the ball at his feet as long as possible, he wants to dribble and link play, he holds back from crossing and that does affect the teams’ attack but let’s put a magnifying glass over both players and i don’t like to get into comparison (even though technically have,got myself into one) nani has more potential than any winger currently at the club, at his best none of them can match him. he posseses the ability to either create or score to win against the very best. He has his flaws but he is a confidence player and until he starts getting support and platform and not people making things up about his effectiveness on the pitch, we won’t see him at his doing damage on the wing and he’ll probably ride off to PSG to start their very own european dominance. We are practically strenghtening other teams simply because we can’t appreciate a player for what he is, rathet than trying to turn him into a workman like cunt running around with no purpose. United are trying to play a more expansive, fluid, clever quick style and a player like nani fits into that nicely but fuck knows if he’ll ever return. Young is decent but the harsh truth is, “decent” won’t crack real madrid or other big team’s open, he needs to do more. Valencia is suffering from a lack of confidence, trying to be more complicated than his ability can handle, perhaps not fully fit as wel but he needs to buckle up, fergie tajes no prisoners and a player can find themselve out of the team as quick as possible. I hope he gets back doing what he,does well.
Another point is, maybe we are seeing the gradual extinction of wide men as the modern game is about trying to control the middle. maybe they are nullified more, maybe we need to utilise plan B if things aren’t working.
Valencia’s crossing is better, yet nani has gathered more assists during his career at united to place him amongst the world’s best wide men. “defends better” i’m sorry, this is not an attribute to be commended for although appreciative for an attacker to put in a shift to help. Nani is probably not as work man like going backwards but he helps as much as he can.
Nani scores more, creates more, wins games with sheer individual brilliance. Maybe he does want to entertain, more so than being “team” orientated. The only thing valencia has over him is directness. Nani wants the ball at his feet as long as possible, he wants to dribble and link play, he holds back from crossing and that does affect the teams’ attack but let’s put a magnifying glass over both players and i don’t like to get into comparison (even though technically have,got myself into one) nani has more potential than any winger currently at the club, at his best none of them can match him. he posseses the ability to either create or score to win against the very best. He has his flaws but he is a confidence player and until he starts getting support and platform and not people making things up about his effectiveness on the pitch, we won’t see him doing damage on the wing and he’ll probably ride off to PSG to start their very own european dominance. We are practically strenghtening other teams simply because we can’t appreciate a player for what he is, rathet than trying to turn him into a workman like cunt running around with no purpose. United are trying to play a more expansive, fluid, clever quick style and a player like nani fits into that nicely but fuck knows if he’ll ever return. Young is decent but the harsh truth is, “decent” won’t crack real madrid or other big teams open, he needs to do more. Valencia is suffering from a lack of confidence, trying to be more complicated than his ability can handle, perhaps not fully fit as wel but he needs to buckle up, fergie takes no prisoners and a player can find themselve out of the team as quick as possible. I hope he gets back doing what he does well.
Another point is, maybe we are seeing the gradual extinction of wide men as the modern game is about trying to control the middle. maybe they are nullified more, maybe we need to utilise plan B if things aren’t working.
Doesn’t necessarily mean you are effective.
Beckham had similar stats for England but was in many matches nowhere.
@ Samuel
I dont need an article. I have watched every game Nani and Valencia have played for United. I know when watching Nani most of the time I end up screaming because he does something stupid or doesn’t do something he should. I rarely do the same with Valencia despite him being far more limited as a player.
With Nani the good doesn’t outweigh the bad.
daniel – Of course you don’t need the article, you’d rather see things from your perspective, fair enough but don’t make out this is the fact. I think the good does outweigh the bad, a player doing what you want will not win a title.
as @Costas said : the best option has always been playing Valencia and Nani. In the 37 games where both of them have started on the wings, United have won 31, drawn 5 and lost just 1. Not that it’s likely to happen ever again…
I completely agree with this, the only thing is that both of them are better on the right and the difference is Nani can also play on the left.
@Daniel
I hate comparing the two, cause they both are Unietd quality, but trying to break the myth thay Valencia add more than Nani, when everything else denise this myth.
When Iwatch Nani, I tend to scream when he scores goals, makes amazing dribbling and brings his individualism into the came, liek the goal against Bolton. I have seen only Ronaldo, Ruud, BEst from Youtube and mayeb Cantona score goals by runing from the middle and score.
If we could have both Valencia and Nani playing together like against Bayern Munich, Nani scored 2 fro mthe left and Valencia I think assisted both of his goals.
That would be incredible.
“Consistency should be measured on how often they create or score goals. And the stats prove that over the last 3 seasons, Nani has both scored and assisted goals on a more regular basis than Valencia.”
And as far as football being based on goals, Nani is one of the best wingers in the world.
@samuel that article is a mythbuster hahah, a consistent one, and the thing is people think we don’t like Valencia, I would play them both together like I mentioned, as for the ones that dislike Nani prefers only Valencia.
I have been saying all season long, all our 3 wingers are underperforming, apart from Young who has now played 3 games well. Valencia had his game agains City where he played well WITH the help of Rafael (our player ofd the season so far).
anywway, let’s hope we play both and Nani plays in the left like he plays on the right
an SAMUEl
they always bring that Chelsea game where supposedly it was Nani’s fault, first We are a TEAM secondly
if you are looking to blame an individual for losing that particular COC game, then you should be blaming Hernandez and not Nani. It was not Nani’s giving the ball away that started the attack leading to the penalty, rather it was Chicharito being offside in our own half that started the attack leading to the equalizer.
and his covered meters also proves he’s a hardworker.
KEEP BOTH!!!!!!! hahah
One last thing.
When Kagawa was playing and Nani also, you could notice how Kagawa always tried to find Nani, and interchanged passes with him.
Keep in mind that Kagawa played for dortmund and with the likes of Mario Götze who likes to play fast, so Kagawa noticed something.
Anderson, Nani, Kagawa,. rafael, RVP and Rooney are players that can play 1-2 touch football and score those goals that you see only in YOUTUBE.
some stats Ifound from that blog you put on @samuel and it was a guy with the name of Sam, could it be you?
http://www.stretford-end.com/2011/10/man-united-premier-league-season-201011-review-by-numbers/
PS. Nani aand valencia together has to be our priority! they are also very good friends.
http://www.soccervillage.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Nani-Valencia-300×205.jpg
The most telling sign re Nani is no target date for his return has been given in fitness updates. I really hope he stays. He is a unique player and when he was given a consistent run on the RW he really showed his ability.
That said, the way he/his agent has conducted his negotiations has clearly pissed off the Club. It may be that he threatened to walk if demands weren’t met and the Club looked around and thought wait a minute which other top Clubs will pay him that. The only possible takers were in Russia and that apparently collapsed due to wage demands.
I hope this situation gets resolved. Nani player with zero confidence this terms and seems unsettled. I would love him to stay, he is a class above Young for me. To me he and Valencia are on par in the sense that they cancel out each other strengths and weaknesses. Saying that Valencia has yet to get a consistent run of form this term.
I still feel we are missing a MF enforcer, you look at what Toure and Lampard bring to their teams, strong attacking MF who are box to box and can break up play and score.
Like last season we are really poor at scoring from outside the box, alot of the time players in a position to take a shot don’t even bother to try, Valenica, Cleverly, Carrick et al need to begin letting off a few shots from distance, we sometimes look like Arsenal trying to pass it in. It also makes us more predictable.
Samuel has basically taken all the words out of my mouth. thanks for that. let me just repeat again. Nani is BY FAR the best winger at Manchester United. thr most electric player we have outside rooney and Van Persie. injuries have ruined his past season but i still remember how DANGEROUS he was in the two seasons before that. Just too good to let go.
Don’t get me wrong, Valencia is also a superb winger but he has his flaws. Cannot use his left leg. barely goes for goal can be predictable at times cuz he’s going right 90% of the time. NOT a better crosser than Nani. Nani has scored AND assisted more valencia. much MUCH better. as for the wages. if i believed everything i read in the papers i would be a complete paranoid retard. NOBODY knows the situation with Nani’s wages so stop acting like you know ANYTHING about it.
daniel – Of course you don’t need the article, you’d rather see things from your perspective, fair enough but don’t make out this is the fact. I think the good does outweigh the bad, a player doing what you want will not win a title
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This problem stems from the ” every child gets a trophy ” policy.
All perspectives / opinions are not equal.
I cannot stress this enough for you.
What I am saying is fact Nani has more talent but Valencia plays better. That is why Valencia wears #7 and Nani is going to be sold.
The last sentence of your ramble is plain idiotic even amongst its earlier esteemed company.
@samuel
“defends better” i’m sorry, this is not an attribute to be commended
- This just displays perfectly how out of touch you are. The wide midfielders in a 4-4-2 especially HAVE to defend or the fullback will be overloaded and crosses will fly in. We know what happens with crosses flying in dont we ?,
… and you say is players do what I say we win. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
DANIEL
so when Nani has those stats for covering meters, you say he doesn’t defend? how is it possible.
FActs
Covered meters prove Nani as a hardworker
His goals proves his consistency
His assists proves his consistency
His talent proves he’s our best winger
Every stat where you look defensive ability you look at Nani has great stats
But you make your judgement based on your eyes, so when he scores or assists a gamewinning goal, you just close your eyes from it and look at his bad passes?
PLEASE. you must come better than that.
nobody is saying Valencia isn’t good as a player, our wish is to play both, but the thing is, Valencia or Young, or Nani aren’t performing, so based on that
Nani has 2+1
Young 0+3
Valencia 0+3
they are even.
and to be clear Valencia isn’t playing good, want it or not. and that is not a good thing for our team, we need the SILENT KILLER the Terminator as much as we do for Nani.
But what we are trying to prove is that consistency thing is a MYTH, Nani is not working hard is a MYTH. and also if Nani would have been in the place of Valencia or Young at the moment and playing like they are, O MY GOD how much noise we would hear in this forum hahah. AMAZING.
I am quite confident, that Nani will be sold after the summer, SAF is not stupid to sell him now, when we have valencia and Nani underperforming and only Young performing good, but who can do better.
After the season Nani will be sold, unfortunately and hopefully to Italy or Spain, and we bring Iker Muniain, Isco, Rodriguez or Mario Götze.
In my dream world, I would keep Nani, and buy one of those players, retire Giggs, keep Young as a squad player same with Valencia.
peace.
Is this the same daniel88 calling me idiotic? Have you been smoking.pot again you absolute twat. If anyone here is rambling, it is you. Your comment has no foundation or facts. The article, which makes more sense than you ever do on this blog proves your claim about valencia playing better is a lot of bollocks. Nani, not only is he more talented, he has produced more throughout his career. You clearly are deluded enough not to accept that, fair enough.
Secondly, fergie has rarely played a flat 4-4-2 this season, he has learnt his lessons and tried to be more fluid. Tracking back to defend is not enough to be in the team, an attacker should be appreciated for what he does in the final 3rd. Defending for them shouldn’t be first priority, although it is good to have the work ethic. You are part of the brigade that dances in a parade when a striker is busy defending, more than he wins games. You essentially are from the school of alan hansen. Muppet.
” That is why Valencia wears #7 and Nani is going to be sold.”
nd your claims about valencia playing better because he was given the number 7 makes no sense. Nani has always wanted the no 17, he has no desire for a no 7 and let’s be honest, that number lost a bit of value when michael owen, who is a great man but rarely played. If nani leaves, it won’t be down to a number but due to a lack of support and understanding of his ability. Like i said previously, he has flaws which can be ironed out but if he leaves, big teams will queue for a player who is yet to reach his prime.
Probably get stick for this but I don’t care one way or the other about Nani. As for someone who posted if tony wasn’t bundled over at Liverpool we would have drawn. Well how about the 60 yard run he made to win a ball he had no right to? Ever since Nani cried at the dippers I lost all respect. Compare that to tony who snapped his fucking ankle! As for ShinjI he will be top drawer once he gets up to the pace. A class act. ‘
Did I say Nani doesn’t defend ? … dont remember doing that. Anyway.
Nani is inconsistent for every inch perfect cross, mesmerizing pace and blinding dribble you will get dozens of cheaply conceded possession, miscontrols, crosses into the stands and worse of all mind bending poor decisions. The guy’s in his mid twenties now he should have learned these lessons already. I remember a game at Villa where he did FUCK ALL for 80 minutes didn’t run or try and dribble until we went 2-0 down then switched and fucking murdered the full back. I believe Vida diving headed the equaliser that game. Fucking unacceptable.
I never said defending should be first priority for our wingers.
I am not part of any such brigade.
Its not much of an insult to be from the Alan Hanson school to be fair.
“nd your claims about valencia playing better because he was given the number 7 makes no sense”
- I never said Valencia is playing better because he was given the #7 shirt.
You seem to struggle with what people did and did not say.
As I eluded to earlier Nani is TWENTY SIX he is in his prime NOW. Yet his decision making amiong other attributes are still as weak as a raw 19 year old. The big clubs aren’t going to queue either with the wages he wants … sorry … undeserved wages. Who tried to buy him ? … Zenit. He wont be going to Spain, Italian and German clubs will laugh at his wage demands.
Its a real shame because I like him but he needs to be realistic about how good he is and how much he should be earning.
I dont even think Valencia is good enough. He is one dimensional and cant dribble.
* ARTICLE *
On that extremely drab article.
The only “facts” it shows are the goals and assists from the last three seasons.
I take the numbers seriously especially goals and assists but they aren’t everything.
They took them from ESPN Soccernet which is my source for stats too.
They tried to use them like a bright light to distract from the completely valid criticisms of Nani compared to Valencia. I outline these in the second paragraph of my earlier post. I dont know about others but when I label Nani as inconsistent I dont mean with goals and assists. I mean with the things in my earlier posts. The “consistency” of Nani in that way was ended when Bale won the Player of the Year despite being comprehensively bettered in terms of numbers by Nani.
@King Eric
all respect to you bro, and you won’t get no stick, for me this is a healthy discussion somehow, if it does make sense.
I for example never have accused Valencia for not doing things. For me the silent Killer is an absolute killer when in form, and that Lievrpool game and the City game proved that.
Apart from that, he and our two other wingers have been underperforming, just look at their stats for example. Valencia has covered so little meters, and he even was subbed. Which never happens, when he’s on form.
Our best winger is at the moment, Ashley Young, and he’s the third option.
I prefer the duo of Nani and Valencia. The point of MY, and now speaking of my behalf is to break the MYTH of Nani’s inconsistency which is absurd, when football is based on goals and someone has to assist those goals.
Also I want to break the MYTH of Nani not defending, look at those covered meters. And I want to break the doublestandards in this blog.
For example Valencia has also been subpar this season, and his attacking apart from 2-3 games (like Nani) he hasn’t been good. Defending wise, well the covered meters tells it all, unless he only defends and the meters tells how much he defends.
peace.
@daniel mate
“The “consistency” of Nani in that way was ended when Bale won the Player of the Year despite being comprehensively bettered in terms of numbers by Nani.”
this is plain stupid.
You know why? do I tell you? OR do I let you to find out by yourself, or let Samuel clarify it for you?
In that year, Luís Carlos Almeida da Cunha aka Nani:
On 1 November, Nani was shortlisted for the prestigious FIFA Ballon d’Or one of just four Premier League players Luis Suárez, Sergio Agüero and fellow Manchester United player Wayne Rooney.
WHERE IS GARETH BALE?? who is biased? Fifa or the FA? I say both, but which tells you more about the FACTS?
DANIEl you can do better than that mate.
BUSTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!
I hope we can get both of them Valenciaand Nani to play well.
IF not, le’ts bring, Iker Muniain, Isco, Rodriguez or Mario Götze here.
peace.
I cannot believe you UNINTENTIONALLY misunderstood my comment so completely. I will go through this really slowly for you.
1. I said Nani was inconsistent.
2. Samuel points out some numbers about Nani’s end product that proves he isn’t inconsistent in terms of goals and assists.
3. I tell Samuel that when I say inconsistent I dont mean goals and assists but other areas of his game.
( You following so far ? )
4. I tell Samuel the Player of the Year award Bale won despite Nani scoring more and assisting more … ended any doubts over the consistency of Nani with goals and assists for me.
I am very sorry but your inability to follow a basic written conversation doesn’t mean that I am busted.
I am also very sorry but your ability to go off on a tangent about things totally unrelated doesn’t mean you can act with such bravado. Like the World Player of the Year and the biased FA and FIFA shit. What the f*** are you on.
LOL
I’m absolutely baffled here with your case of “inconsistency”, most wingers float in and out of games due to their positon on the pitch, you will never get the perfect winger, they all have flaws. They’ll try different things to beat a full-back, may come off may not but the important thing is that they do not lose courage to keep trying. crosses will come off and sometimes they won’t, passes the same thing but personally, i would rather a player keeps showcasing skill to outwit defenders because more often than not, if risks are taken and they come off, it will lead to chances or goals.
Never one for the typical british winger of knock the ball forward, rush after it and hook it high into the box with no purpose or invention, we witness regularly in this league, a sad state of affairs if this is the pinnacle of footballing style. Point is, football’s main objective is to create and score, despite his supposed infuriating antics and i repeat, he does have flaws but nani has produced that more than most wingers in this league and can be ranked with the best In europe. You get people cheering players on when they roll out square passes or hack players down, i would rather support a luis nani trying to make things happen even if he might frequently fail, i would rather cherish technicians on the ball.
And the idea nani can’t go to a big club is laughable, he may have to cut down on his demands but he has a wise agent in jorge mendes and he could easily negotiate a real madrid or an ever improving soon to be powerhouse in PSG, underestimate his ability and talent at your peril.
Nani wont be going to Real Madrid.
I did forget about PSG in all honesty.
@daniel
we have a game today so I will post this for the last time, cause after all, our intention is the good for ManUtd. And I will once again point out that I wish we could have both Nani and Valencia in form.
I didn’t unintentionally misunderstood a thing.
You said that because Nani didn’t win that award tells you that he is inconsistent over goals and assists.
Then I said that pointing that thing and saying that it proves the inconsistency of his goals and assists is stupid for many reasons.
1. being only nominated proves that Nani did a good job
2 gareth bale winnign that award despite us winning the title is biased from FA. and not recognising our players, NANI was the absolute number one player of that season in the EPL.
3. to prove you are wrong about that not winning that award is not the thing proving the consistency
4. I told you that Nani was among four EPL players to be nominated for the Ballon Do’r
5. which proves that he and his consistency was recognised from the world
Maybe you understood me wrong, maybe I you, but the thig is, and get this, 1. our wingers this season have been underperforming.
2. we need to get them in form
3. the best combination for our team is the valencia/nani duo
4. inconsistency is a MYTH
5. Nani is not lazy, his covering stats proves you wrong
6. I am starting to repeat myself.
CMON UNITED!. I am going to the other thread cause this has died since we busted the MYTH
I am also very sorry but your ability to go off on a tangent about things totally unrelated doesn’t mean you can act with such bravado. Like the World Player of the Year and the biased FA and FIFA shit. What the f*** are you on
I am on in truth. you?
so tell me, has valencia or young been consistent this season? for you yes, cause it’s all about running, even though
1. the stats proves that Valencia hasn’t been runnign that much.
2. Nani has run the most
3. Youngie is second
peace mate,
1. and get over it, you now well what I was trying to state with the Ballon do’r, and then
2. I just made some little remarks about the fa and fifa.
You need to learn to read.
- What I ACTUALLY said.
” The “consistency” of Nani in that way was ended when Bale won the Player of the Year despite being comprehensively bettered in terms of numbers by Nani ”
- What YOU think I said.
” You said that because Nani didn’t win that award tells you that he is inconsistent over goals and assists ”
These are not the same.
These are not close.
@daniel
then I misunderstood my friend, like you said. I’m not arrogant not to admit this
doesn’t it have to say, the inconsistency of Nani in that way was ended`? and not the “consistency”
anyway. peace mate, and let’s win this game today!
and chill out man, don’t say learn to read, it’s another thing to understand it wrongly, as for me that didn’t mean like you said it.
That’s why when I understood like I did, I though, you meant another thing, and the ballon do’r nomination proves it.
anyway, you caught yourself in that, because yes, in terms of passing and sometiems crossing, Nani does tend to make mistakes, but for those mistakes he scores or assists a goal.
When you assist a goal, it means you crossed or passed well, so basically you thought of inconsistency of play doesn’t count.
peace.
He won’t be going to madrid, why? Is he not talented enough to follow his compatriots mourinho or ronaldo? Can nani not end up at a juventus or AC milan? Reality will soon hit.