Whilst credit has to go to the manager for buying so well, you can’t help but wonder just how successful we might have been since 2005 if not held back by the Glazers.
United are the “most valuable sporting franchise” in the world, according to Forbes, so why is that 13 teams in the Premier League alone have larger nett spends than us? You can only imagine how many football teams there are across Europe with larger nett spends, then across the world.
A point often raised is the sale of Cristiano Ronaldo, which I struggle to get my head around. We signed a teenager this country’s press and rival fans dubbed a “one trick pony” then we turned him in to the best player in the world. We made £67ish million on him because of that. Regardless, any other club who made that amount of money on a player would then go and spend it. The fact that United haven’t emphasises the point regarding the Glazers and how they have held us back.
Money spent
Manchester City have spent £291,370,000 more than us. Their nett spend is £366,670,000 more than ours.
Liverpool have spent £88,940,000 more than us. Their nett spend is £34,510,000 more than ours.
Spurs have spent £66,000,000 more than us. Their nett spend is £81,750,000 more than ours.
Chelsea have spent £35,200,000 more than us. Their nett spend is £84,250,000 more than ours.
We’ve spent £79,150,000 more than Arsenal. Our nett spend is £41,300,000 more than theirs.
Trophies won
United: 4 league titles, 1 European Cup, 2 League Cups.
Chelsea: 1 league title, 3 FA Cups, 1 League Cup
Liverpool: 1 FA Cup
City: 1 FA Cup
Spurs: 1 League Cup
Arsenal: Nothing
It’s good to see us splashing the cash this summer, it’s long overdue. With three European Cup finals in four years, we can only dream of how many more trophies we could have had to our name if not for the constraints put on our spending by our owners.
LOVE UNITED HATE GLAZER
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All stats from TransferLeague.co.uk
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APARENTLY
ASHLEY YOUNG HAS BEEN HAVING A 2 YEAR AFFAIR WITH RIDGEWELLS MISSUS.
They’ve both called off their weddings and apparently the story is gonna be all over the papers tomorrow.
Very interesting stats Scott, thanks for bringing them to us.
city hold all the big top spots, even having 1 and 2 on the manager high spender list.
Pathetic.
Steve Bruce has great stats, which is borne out by his audacious 12 million bid for 3 stars!
And Sir Alex has coped very well. Spending a couple of million to win every year is amazing!
andy – Didn’t you post the same thing on the previous thread?
Take out one transaction (Ronaldo at 80M), and the numbers shift somewhat.
Those numbers are very interesting though. I had no idea that West Ham spent that kind of money.
Kings
yep, honing the ol’ copy and paste skills. The storys doing the rounds in Birmingham, and apparently he left for holiday alone today
PROVES THAT SPENDING IS NOT THE ANSWER.
Its all down to the management and buildinga team who play together rather than buying star names who cant play together.
Easy to ask what we would have won if we spent more, but in truth we didnt need to spend more.
No spending would have beaten Barca.
People bandied silly names aout last year, ut Fergie decided that last year wasnt the time we needed to buy. He always knew this was the summer we would have to buy and the summer that older players would leave.
RE: fergie…1 sale changes the complete picture. what happens next year with the balancing the books will be intresting. Along with the homegrown rules this why teams are paying such odds for young english players now as they will be even more expensive and out of reach next year.
spend this season as it is the last time to speculate.
Interesting stats, Scott. Nice as always.
However, I do agree that the kitty from Ronaldo’s sale does skew the numbers a bit. Sure, it is money we got and should be added to the overall analysis but it will also be interesting to see how we far without that one transfer.
I find it funny that having spent that much money City are content with 4th place. Any other club, if they had spent such a shitload of cash, will not be happy if they were not challenging for the title? I guess that is why we call them small-time in the first place.
Also, Thank God for Sir Alex Ferguson. What would we have done without him guiding us through the recession and all that?
Ditto on the Ronaldo comment by Dean. It changes the picture dramatically. Whilst you’ll say it is money you “chould have” spent (Glazers blah blah) it is a freak fee that distorts Sralex’s transfer dealings.
I think the most interesting case is Spurs and particularly Juande Ramos, who spent so much, but took them backwards from where Jol had them. Fascinating stats. Thank you for posting them.
Even though I dislike the Glazers, you must look at the facts. Our most successful time in the clubs history has come since they took over, 3 champions league finals, 4 premier league titles, 3 carling cups etc etc, all this in 6 years. And would we have had such commercial success without them? I hate how they have alienated so many of the true supporters from the holy ground that is Old Trafford but would you rather have Abramovich or the Glazers? That is the alternative these days…
I agree with STR. If we had raised our spending since 05, we would had a chance of atleast beating Barca this time. Barca in last 3 years has spent nearly 100 million on players like Villa, Mascherano, Pique. What they have done is they have constantly strenghtened thier squad without even dismantling thier main part of thier team ie Xavi, Iniesta, Messi. And they are still spendin on players like Fabregas, Rossi to further strenghten thier squad. So for a big club like United, with management, spending is extremely important. Its all due to our legendary manager that we are still winning throphies without much spending on marquee players.
Quite frankly Andy I don’t care who he’s sleeping with as long as it’s not Ridgwell himself… only thing that matters is how he’s gonna play for United next season and he’ll be outstanding.
Back to numbers, our outlays put us in 5th place spent but that Ronaldo sale throws the net way off, it would have been nice to see some of that spent when it came in but it looks like it’s getting spent this year and Im sure it’ll work out well now. Trust Fergie.
JC, if you dont care who his sleeping with why would you care if he slept with ridgewell lol
Staggering.
Hmm
“Ayr United will host English Premier League Champions and Champions League runners-up Manchester United on Monday July 25.”
http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-first/ayr-united/256660-manchester-united-to-play-sfl-second-division-side/
Very interesting, BUT with the Bosman ruling transfer fees are not very accurate (Owen) and also players wages need to be taken into consideration as a homegrown player like Scholes could have been on £5 million a year but West Brom etc don’t pay that sort of wage.
a young man this is getting rediculous now first u had wazza then GIGGSY lol and…….now young sort it lads this does not do the clubs image any favours thats the main issue here man not lookin goood for him 2marrow mornin……
All
some idiot has posted a couple of times whilst using my user name…….. Please take note…
STR
Is there no way to prevent this?
evening Cedars mate
Good evening lads
I’ve went through some previous threads and some comments by so called United fans is a piss take.
@Pipzor
Well I’d like to disagree with that statement referring to the possibility of United not being as successful were it not for the Glazers,we’ve always been a powerhouse in world football,thing is we’ve been held back by leeches.
Anyway interesting to see such comic clubs like Man City and Chelsea spending like crazy,they better pray on their wishing stars that their respective clueless owners don’t take their investments elsewhere.
Anyway I’d also like to add a point: I truly don’t understand why some fans here spit some bile saying that Sir Alex can’ spend and is on a tight-shoe budget bullsh*t! Whoever said signing flavour of the months’ guarantees you instant success,truth is Fergie knows best and some blokes who ring up MUTV. Just disgust,makes me feel like smashing my telly,anyway only the great man,knows who’s good enough to play for United,we may have not had many signings over the past six years,but who needs marquee signings when we possess something world football doesn’t have: Manchester United Spirit!
Oh and I hope all this bile spat here on A. Young stays outside of ROM,what he does in his personal life is only for him to worry about,same applies with rumours doing the rounds on Sir Ryan Giggs
Silly season is here,haven’t commented much but I have scanned through some comments,and in particular the sickening ones are those of:“We’re not good enough to beat Barca or Sir Alex sign X and Y to reach Barca’s level.” All a bunch of bile,for all those pricks who think they boss,why don’t we sack Sir Alex eh? And put you lot in? Guess we’ll topple Barca and win 5 European Cups in a row! FFS Bore off and do one!
Feels good to be back on ROM
#Rant Over#
Monkey Man. Good post. Spot on.
Monkey Man. Good post. Spot on.
monkey man says it for all of us……
Hiya TonyBee
I am pissed off at that idiot posting using my name, fucking angers me buddy…. Surely this should be moderated
last 10 years would see fergie spends more than lpool from 2001 veron30m, ruud vn19m,rooney27m,rio30m you have took out 105m over 4 years when many teams are playing catch up but it proves fergie is good at buying bargains but kenny is better when he took over blackburn how much did he spend compaired to souness,fergie and george graham and keegan
Some people should stay single. Not too bothered with Ashley, but might be called a bit of a hypocrite for that. I am concerned about Rooney and Giggs. They are family men and should be held to some standard. And yes, it does bring the club into disrepute, including ruining the value of certain imaging rights, so I do believe it is our business.
Ashely was/is single w no kids as I understand it, which is an entirely different matter. It will be a small “s” scandal if his intended nuptials were kyboshed but no harm done because the knot was not tied. Some people should stay single. Just sayin’. It would be a painful kick in the bum if Cole/Terry started getting the “family man” market back after this years rumblings at United.
Must say, the notion of a United with a semblance of moral fiber has taken a considerable beating this year.
Interesting stats except their credibility suffers when names like Carlo(s) Ancelotti and Philip (?) Scolari appear…and why refer to Ranieri when he left in 2004?
As far as i know we overpayed for Jones BIG TIME and I got a feeling we will for Young as well…the same thing happened with Bebe last year and if anyone calls that ‘good business’ is beyond me. Yes we did find Chicharo for a steal but that’s what ‘unproven’ ‘non-star’ players should cost anyways.
I personally don’t care for David Gil. He is just another leich Sucking on the clubs money. I agree with most of you here. We need to spend big this year on bigger players. We have a great young squad coming through the ranks but our senior team is missing some quality. 1 shot on target against Barcelona is simply unacceptable for a team of our stature.
i think Scott needs to jump-start a few moderators on RoM ….people with the know how to chase up imposters and ban them permanently
…. there is a few others on here that need banning to
Scott the Red
I urge you to take action and prevent trolls and dick heads using my name to make posts here… I am sure there are ways for you to moderate this…… Thanks
@Pipzor
it’s called coincedence.
Sir Alex should be thanked for that not the Glazers,they weren’t here when we won the treble and a hattrick of league tittle.they weren’t here when he signed Ferdinand for a record fee,when he signed C.Ronaldo and Rooney,the key players that helped us achieved success during their reign.
We would’ve been as successfull with or without them.
It’s all Sir Alex Fergie.show respect.
Ashley Young has two small Kids, and he’s been with his mrs for 10 years according to the sun.
Devil310, I hear ya mate. I honestly think Jones at 18M and Young for 20ish is perfectly fine. With the new home grown rules coming on, these will have considerable value. Think we will do fine by both TBH. The only one I feel a bit raw about is Bebe. I just feel a bit done by Sir Alex’s affection for former United coach Carlos Queiroz who said we HAD to have him. Bebe still has time to make it back and prove the pundits wrong though. Wish him well at Besiktas .
Could make it all good if we get Nasri for 8M. Don’t care if he is a flop or not. To pull that off under le Arse would be a bit of a memory.
http://football-talk.co.uk/26445/the-reason-samir-nasri-wants-man-utd-move%E2%80%A6-and-its-not-trophies/
just read on a transfer blog that the back page headline in the Sunday Mail is that Jones move to
Man Utd is in tatters and Liverpool has stepped in with a 22 million bid …anyone else heard this….
Andy, bit of clod as well then. Cheers for that bit of sad news.
Still a big difference with marriage. Best it came out now. Footballers, politicians and milk men, bloody hell!
talksport say we have bid 15m for defour not sure how true it is though!
Appears Venkys the owners of Blackburn aka the chicken dippers want to hold UTD to ransom…..
FULL ARTICLE…..
Blackburn begin battle to block Phil Jones £16.5m switch to Manchester United
By CHRIS WHEELER
Last updated at 11:04 PM on 10th June 2011
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Phil Jones’ £16.5million move to Manchester United has been delayed amid concerns Blackburn are demanding a higher price.
United are certain they have the transfer tied up after triggering the release clause in Jones’s contract and agreeing personal terms with the player on a five-year deal worth £40,000 a week.
But the Premier League champions are growing irritated that Blackburn owners Venky’s may be trying to drive up the transfer fee or revive a bidding war.
High fives: Phil Jones has rocketed into the public eye this week with his big money mooted move to Manchester United
Ewood Park officials were insisting last night that Jones remains their player and no deal has been done. It seems Venky’s believe the clause allows clubs to talk to the 19-year-old if they offer in excess of £16m, but does not force Blackburn to accept the bid.
But United maintain it means Jones can speak to any club he wants once the offer is made, and Blackburn are powerless to stop him from joining them.
Liverpool, Arsenal and Tottenham all met the asking price and spoke with Jones or his representatives, but the player chose United before passing a medical and agreeing personal terms on Wednesday.
Dr Jones: The Blackburn man passed a medical this week before joining up with England
United expect the deal to be completed when he returns from the European Under 21 Championship in Denmark. Questions are now being asked between Venky’s and their advisers over how a player they value at nearer £25m could be allowed to leave for such a relatively low figure.
Former Blackburn striker and media pundit Kevin Gallacher said: ‘I think he’s underpriced to be honest. My own view is that Blackburn would have been looking for £20m minimum for Phil. But there was a clause that enabled him to go for less and United have got a very good deal.’
Hot property: Several top clubs were in for Jones
Jones will be one of a number of arrivals at Old Trafford this summer as Sir Alex Ferguson carries out the biggest overhaul of his squad since 1995.
Aston Villa winger Ashley Young will complete his £20m move once he returns from holiday, a deal for Atletico Madrid goalkeeper David de Gea will be tied up after the European Under 21 Championship, and Ferguson hopes to snatch Samir Nasri from rivals Arsenal.
United, who are set to beat the Gunners to the signing of 18-year-old Lens centre back Raphael Varane, will also continue their pursuit of Wesley Sneijder even though the Holland midfielder insisted yesterday that he is happy at Inter Milan.
Sneijder, who has four years left on his contract, said: ‘There is a family atmosphere at Inter. Milan is marvellous, picturesque and full of elegance – I love it. At the moment I’m very happy here and I don’t see why I shoul
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2002336/Blackburn-block-Phil-Jones-transfer-Manchester-United.html#ixzz1P0FYMZiT
Scott the Red
Please let us know what the situation is with the twat that posted under an identity he stole.
He is trying to destroy your blog.
TonyBee – Jones wants to play for United. I’m sure the deal will go through. He’s our egg!
What the fuck is wrong with these Indians? What are they threatening us with? Chicken pox? Well that’s too bad, because our only Bebe has left the building.
I’ll get me coat…
I genuinely hope their poultry farm gets bird flu or something….
I am an Indian and this is not how we do business….
@willierednut, Agreed. As I said on other thread, these idiots at Venky’s (Should’ve stayed with IPL where they know something) have no idea how the contract works.
There are two simple things that tell me the deal is almost done:
1) He wants to come here. Will be very hard for them to sell him anywhere else.
2) The release clause, as I understand it, means that if United hit the right price, there is nothing Venky’s can do about it.
So, it’s just a matter of time me thinks.
Too good to be true if it is true that we will offload Nani finally after years of misery seeing that piece of shite stopping our flow. In my book he is easily the worst player we’ve ever seen not only at United but in world football.
*Reads what swede posted*
*Waits patiently for smartalex to respond*
I hear liverpool have now put in a 22 million pound bid for Jones. Fergie must stand his ground here. 16.5 million pounds, NOTHING MORE. if you wanna milk liverpool, FINE you can go right ahead. If anything this will pump Jonny evans up for the new season or we’ll just go after another young defender somewhere else. BS.
swede
Piece of shit you say? Just look in the mirror buddy!
The real fucking Cedars here !
Balaji – The Mail is the only paper reporting the deal is off. Time will tell.
Jones already rejected them and they try again? When will scousers learn?..
Sell Nani as well as Rooney I say.
@Fletch – how are you mate? Hope all is good.
The home grown rule is understandable. I just feel that in the case of Jones, we shouldnt have payed that much. Considering we got Smalling for what, 5mil? I think that 8-10 would have been enough. I’m no economist but knowing we have kids of our own coming through the ranks, with already Evans and Smalling making an impact, why get another CB?
I guess this all wont matter if we get someone like Nasri on the cheap or Sanchez, Modric or Sneijder (highly unlikely) but what I don’t want happening is that we only get Young, Jones and De Gae (3 young prospects) when we need someone in the midfield that could make a real difference
swedes moronic contribution at 23:10 could be used in a textbook on wum spotting.
To consider that Sir Alex would allow the “worst player we’ve ever seen in world football” to play for United deserves ridicule. To shout it to United supporters from behind the safety of his anonymity and inaccessibility is a clear inditement of swedes disgraceful character.
One day swede will forget that he’s in public, he’ll open his mouth, and we will never hear from him again. The person nearest to him will slaughter swede instantly, without thought.
swede you are a rancid turd.
*Sees smartalex respond to the troll*
*Feels happy inside*
Cedars just this forums version of Garry Birtles and we need a new signing in here immediately!
LOL
I hope the Nani duvet will keep you warm next winter cause he won’t fook United up anymore.
smartalex, CedarsDevil, Kings, King Eric, willierednut, Balaji Sivaraman
have any of you actually met in person before?
IAmEnlightened, Nope, haven’t you heard? We’re all X-Men and Scott is Professor X. He controls all of us using Cerebro so that we have common thoughts in our minds.
My final post on RoM unless STR does something with people stealing user names……
I may drop in once in a while to check in on friends, but unless the problem is solved I will never post here again….
These fucking venky chicken shits are really trying to get fried. There trying to shaft us on the jones deal
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2002598/Manchester-Uniteds-Phil-Jones-bid-tatters-Blackburn-wont-bullied-Liverpool-launch-22m-swoop.html?
Bit dramatic don’t you think
CedarsDevil is that really you or is that somone posting under your name?
Why don’t you guys all go for a drink sometime?
Dave Mack
That was me buddy
@swede = Dickhead
Really want to know what everyone thinks on the stories popping up everywhere that youngs tranfer spell the end of nani.
http://www.footballfancast.com/2011/06/football-blogs/why-sacrificing-nani-for-young-would-be-the-wrong-move-fergie
Cedars …. stay on the site no matter what. Regulars here would know when you disagree you don’t attck the poster personally so no worm will fool us.
Venky’s! Fucking chicken plucking no-marks. Dalglish must be chortling all the while pushing the price up just to piss Fergie off ; if this deal fucks up we’ll be a laughing stock. David Gill get your bloody act together!
@willierednut its on soccernet too.
@nani4ever that would be very disappointing if true…
For me Nani going would be a surprise. Fergie could have plans to play him more centrealy and /or convert Valencia into a new MF role . Remember how he dropped him into defence on a couple of occasions last season.
It’s not true. Stop scaremongering.
Scott, I know this is your blog and what you do is entirely up to you, but as a relative newcomer who has found this blog entertaining for its author and followers, I feel I have to write this.
Whether you ban people like bill bob, captaink9 etc. is entirely up to you but what we want is some way where people can authorize themselves as who they are. I know this is arguably very difficult to set up at a blog level but I’ve seen certain sites asking to authorize myself on Twitter, Facebook or whatever before I can post a comment. This means that unless someone has hacked into my TW or FB account, my identity on this blog is safe. I know this is very difficult but I’m just theorcrafting here.
The other option is to make blogs as topics only and have all the comments in the forum. This is kind of like what film critic James Berardinelli does. All discussions on his reviews go to Forums. This is definitely not ideal with the kind of viewers you pull in and would most likely dissuade some lurkers who are burdened with the need to create a forum account. Again, I’m just theory crafting here.
But what is undeniable is that ROM is arguably the most popular football blog and is likely to attract the most crowds from the Internet since United is the club people love to troll. Also, the events of the past day make it clear that following ROM for a few days gives people with an easy access to steal someone’s identity if they choose to. That this has happened to one of ROM’s regular and most loved readers is besides the point. It has happened and it will happen again.
Please don’t mistake me as telling you how to run your blog. I know you already have your hands full with bringing us all these wonderful stats and topics to talk about. And we know are your guests and this is your home. But I also feel it is the duty of the host to protect his guests from people whose sole intention is to harm the harmony present here.
I really hope you do something about it. Peace.
swede @
I don’t usually address trolls but i make an exception for u, are u on crack or met, don’t even answer that because you must be a scouser or a shitty fan. NANI is the most creative player in this current edition of united, and i’m not trying to slate young but as arry would say young isn’t even fit to lace NANI’s boots and don’t forget that.
And if i remember u correctly u were the same troll that came on here spouting dog shit before every match saying were gonna loose. So fuck off and go and sit on Dogleach’s lap u crack head
These fools who copy others names, are cowards. I’m taking a timeout as well. I’ll be back, when Cedars returns. Peace out!
Swede is a big time idiot.
Hi, don’t really post on these sites but I’ve read through a few of the comments tonight and I don’t think I’ll be visiting the site again.
Nothing against the articles because they’re good. But some of the people I’ve read on here are far too pally and attack people who offer up differing points to the consensus of the group.
I think some of the posters on here need to learn how to be more inclusive, because that is what inspires good debate – different view points. I don’t intend it to be rude but I have no other way of putting it. Some of the posters on here lick each others ass a bit too much and there is too much of a hierarchy amongst posters.
Just wanted to put my views forward.
Jamie
I speak my mind is what I do and I’m not politically correct when talking about United which seems to be the norm here. You can call me a little trail of catsick or whatever swear word you fancy for the moment but you lot have to learn man united is the club in this world with the most fractions amongst its fans and yes we do argue a lot and we have different political views and that is what makes Man United so great.
Wish there were more harmless banter here instead of so many bitter fans who have not realised all people do not share the same view on life and things like Man United and the players.
Bye bye Nani, take the stupid goal celebration with you!
Who the fook is stealing names here and why?
Sad to see people leaving and we simply need to register everyone.
I just came back to say that I’m not able to accept impostors pretending to be my friends.
Has Scott the Red joined into the defense of RoM yet? Surely the community is RoM.
I’ll also come back with CedarsDevil and willierednut. Until then, enjoy yourselves Reds!
Swede ….so you don’t like Nani after all he’s done this season
who would you like Naseri, Bale , Charlie Adam ?
Republik of mancunia hits an all time low. Swede. Redmegleeker. Captaink9. Aww. Don’t you like it because you don’t feel like one of the lads. Fucking idiotic cunt. How old are you? Twelve? One assumes you are single.
I don’t know if this is the same swede. I mean, it might be a stolen identity thing again. I’ve seen decent comments under that name that are not troll-like. So maybe it is the same scouse pretending that was posting “season’s over” comments a couple of months ago when we lost against Le Arse.
Anyways, I do agree that creating an account would be the way to go in order to protect people’s IDs. This is getting botherline ridiculous now.
Calling Nani a piece of shit and the worst player in football is not harmless banter. Critism has to be respected. Idiocy, no.
@KIng Eric
Don’t know how we got here mate. Maybe it’s the same person posting under different names, but the troll presence is getting really annoying now. Time for STR to make the rules more strict me thinks.
I was about to say that Costas, exactly the same words but stupidity instead of idiotcy
Anyone that says Nani is shit After Last Season is Clearly a retard not to be able to Notice How Good he is.
Hey Costas. How is liking Greece? I hope youre showing him a good time.
Lets all ignore swede now. He got a lot of attention already. He can go jack off now
I’m stay – troll slaying what I do best – fake Cedars calls me Mg – Real Cedars never calls me Mg
MG mad – come trolls I’ll fucking have you one by one
This shirt is and will always will be – something you fuckers will never understand
Defiant
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I meant how is BERBA liking Greece. Sorry mobile typing not my best trait
Duly noted that I am very angry that people have taken the piss out of dear friends
This is out of order and disrespectful to the highest degree
Absolutely fucking crazy – some posters on here should be fucking ashamed of themselves and act accordingly or seriously I will kick the fucking shit out of you for the sake of kicking the fucking shit out of you – disgrace period.
Costas. Hello mate. Fuck knows but summat has to be done. Its all got very childlike. This was the best blog by some distance but since around december it has become diseased and infected with regulars leaving in their droves. Dozens of the fuckers to be replaced by clueless idiots, wums and cunts with split personalities. There was a time when if we even strayed off topic scott would castigate us. Now it appears anything goes and the hits are all that matters. This isn’t to criticise scott as he does a damn good job but it really is getting tiresome. As for swede. Now that’s an odd one. As devil says there seems to be two of them. After today that doesn’t surprise me in the least.
Anyway costas what do you reckon to this dippers putting in twenty odd for Jones? Just cannot see it. All the sports writers and agents were saying today venkys haven’t a leg to stand on. Its gotta be bollocks.
@Devil310
Oh, he’s having a blast mate. We play beach tennis and the lazy bugger prefers to control the ball with his legs instead of using a racket.
@Papii
Potato potato.
Mate Write them an essay on Being a Imposter Please
Read your essay that scared off that Hoe from Last Night….
Good work MG My Man! (as denzel washington would say)
Night ROM Guardians & ROM Familia
Venkys need more money for chicken feed King Eric
Let them play fuck ball with poor Liverpool – David Gill trumps about anywhere out there – one thing is for sure he isn’t no fucking lunatic Kenyon
Yes yes got Ronaldinho – er no we haven’t…
Clint
Goodnight to you too – haven’t been nearly all day – and I find the place fucking turned upside down – oh boy…
Thanks for that – all in my day job
@King Eric
I am going as far back as the last few weeks, but yeah, it goes back even further. In threads about departing players, you get “good riddance” comments instead of “good luck”. Like I always say, what goes around, comes around.
Anyway, I haven’t kept a close eye on football news today, but there seems to be quite a buzz about the Liverpool/Jones situation. I don’t know how much truth there is to this, but you have to believe that negotiations between him and United are too advanced in order for anyone else to hijack the deal. He’s even undergone a medical. Don’t know what the Blackburn owners want to do, but like Berbatov in 2008, Jones will make the decision on his own. If he wants to join United, that’s what will happen.
you gotta love Americans for trying
http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/photo?slug=88552356e56650e21e05ff8b5bd64fb2-getty-109261517jm029_colorado_rap#photoViewer=urn%3Anewsml%3Asports.yahoo%2Cgetty%3A20050301%3Asow%2Cphoto%2Ca78c1e0c367953613387701d35b36595-getty-fbl-concacaf-pan-usa%3A1
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Takeover rumours in the Mirror and elsewhere saying the transfer money is Qatari.
http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/news/2011/06/12/united-make-move-for-sneijder-as-qatar-takeover-looks-imminent-102039-23195379/ This is the one the Mirror article refers to. Star as well. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/195592/Alex-Ferguson-s-100m-Qatari-backing/
IF there’s any truth to the Qatari group takeover, it’s got me wondering if there’s a precedent for a gradual takeover of a Football Club. If the funds are Qatari, yet they are not the current owners, we might be witnessing a smooth handover where all parties have the Club’s best interests at heart. Either that or a share.
I agree with King Eric this blog has hit its all time low because of some worthless trolls.We should still be celebrating our 19th tittle and talk about our future success but No There are some guys who spoil our party.
I have been following this blog for almost 3 years and then everyone used to talk sense but now it has become a battle field.
I bet all these swede bill bob etc won’t appear when the season begins.So I say lets keep our unity and Forget about these guys.
Re: takeover – My hunch is that the takeover is very much on and we will soon be the richest club in the world once again, free from the crippling burden of debt.
Re: Liverpool bid for Jones – Phil Jones is our player, but Liverpool have made a huge mistake by trying to throw a spanner in the works the way they did today with their £22m bid. It shows how far LFC have sunk that they are reduced to stunts like this, that you would expect more of Man Citeh. Embarrassing behaviour. I wonder if they’ll put in a 13th hour bid for Ashley Young too.
Give it up, guys; they don’t want to sign for you! 
@Fred
I agree with you jones has been signed.Everyone including their team mates have said that he has signed for us.
Well what can we say about loserpool?Lol
LUHG
@ash
i hope jones deal is done
but if fuckerpool have made abid of 22 million dont the venkys have the right to sell him to liverpool
afterall jones hasnt signed the contract
This jones shit really is baffling, what the fuck is going on? those venkys are corrupt cunts anyway, i’m not suprised the deal ain’t running smoothly.
@samuel
its quite simple
player wants to come here
but i think the venkys have the right to sell to the highest bidder
so if fuckerpool have made a 22million bid then its intresting
telegraph says we will get him today and mail says deal is in tatters
has anyplayer signed for another club after having a medical
@sachu, From what I understand, if it is a Minimum Fee Release Clause which I think it is (no reason to think otherwise), they have no right to reject an offer at that price. They are bound by the contract to accept any offer at the price stated in the release clause.
Can anyone tell me on thing though, once a club triggers the release clause and the player has completed some formalities, is it possible for the parent club to accept a higher bid price even though the release clause has been triggered? Isn’t the purpose of the release clause to negate exactly that kind of situation?
So, I really don’t understand what the fuck is wrong with those guys. Anyways, I don’t see a lot of point in talking about it by listening to gossip from papers. I expect that David Gill knows what he’s doing. I know that Sir Alex wants Phil Jones and I know that the player wants to only come here, so I expect the deal to be sealed soon.
All this Phil Jones speculation is getting under my skin.
The release clause has been triggered therefore terms have been agreed and accepted by Blackburn (because that’s what a fucking release clause is for!), the player has agreed personal terms, and the player wants to come to Utd. Then what the fuck is the problem?!
Venkys should stick to chicken. They know fuck all about football. Honestly I hope Utd take them to court over all this fucking bullshit and nonsense, so that they could understand what a fucking release clause is!
As for the scum’s 22m bid… He doesn’t want to join your filthy little club, get the fuck over it.
Sorry for all the ranting this morning, but this is getting ridiculous now.
jones is ours…we are united and we do what we want..
I think it’s dangerous to assume that spending more money than we’ve done on players would buy us more success on the field. We’ve been amazingly successful during recent years. Not defending the Glazers or anything, just saying.
Seriously, why are we even talking about the Jones rumours anymore. The meaning of a Minimum Release Clause is cut and dried – an offer equal to or greater than the value of the release clause CANNOT be rejected, sure you can bid less than that and the team can still sell if they want but any bid at or over the clause (which ours was) MUST be accepted as long as the player agrees to terms with the buying team (which he has) and passes his medical (which he has).
Done deal.
I’m a gooner- so about as welcome round here as a dose, I should think. Just thought I’d thank you for that anaylsis- very good.
Scott the Red…. I think your blog is fantastic and I for one will never leave it…. but it is a shame to see such negativity from our regulars posters on here that they will actually leave because of imposters…now we know that there are a load of childish idiots out there who delight in fucking up things United ……surely there must be some way of forming a register of posters with names and addresses being held by you which would allow you to terminate any IP address that was constantly being used to offend other posters….
please take some action as over the years I have been on here we have lost many posters….
sorry to cut and paste but I thought people might just want to see this from the Sunday People….
United make move for Sneijder as Qatar takeover looks imminent
Jun 12 2011 by Steve Bates, The People
Manchester UNITED’S spending frenzy is set to accelerate with a final tilt for £35million Wesley Sneijder – amid growing speculation that they are on the brink of a fresh takeover attempt from Qatar.
Football’s grapevine is buzzing with rumours that Qatar Holdings, the business arm of the country’s ruling royal family, are the real force behind a United cash spree that is set to top £125MILLION.
That kind of transfer market spending is reckoned to be way beyond the Glazer family who bought the club for nearly £800m in 2005.
Qatar Holdings, a division of the Qatar Investment Authority, which identifies ways to maximise the Arab state’s oil fortune, are believed to have had a £1.5billion offer turned down last year.
Speculation
But it has been suggested in business circles that a third party – thought to be the Qataris – may have funded a £250m loan repayment by the American-based Glazers late last year.
That arrangement, if accurate, is thought to be a forerunner to a full takeover bid, with sources close to the Glazers saying they now value the 12-time Premier League champions closer to a staggering TWO BILLION POUNDS.
And Sir Alex Ferguson’s eye-watering transfer splash has done nothing to dampen speculation that Qatar Holdings – backed by the emir, Sheik Hamad bin Khalifa al Thani – are back on the scene again.
Although on holiday in the south of France, the United boss is close to sealing deals for £21.3m Ashley Young from Aston Villa, teenage Blackburn defender Phil Jones for up to £20m and Atletico Madrid keeper David de Gea for £25m.
Ferguson also has £25m Alexis Sanchez of Udinese in his sights and is determined to land a top midfielder to replace Paul Scholes – with Sneijder his No.1 choice.
Despite claims on Inter Milan’s website last week that he is happy in Italy and sees no reason to move, United believe 27-year-old Sneijder DOES fancy a fresh challenge at Old Trafford.
They should discover this week if a deal is possible. If not, Arsenal star Sami Nasri – with a year left on his contract – and Tottenham’s Croatia playmaker Luka Modric will become active targets.
But it is the sudden release of a huge transfer war chest which has sparked rumours of a bigger picture developing at Old Trafford.
Unpopular
The Glazer family continue to insist United are NOT for sale – and that being unpopular with the fans doesn’t bother them.
But they cannot compete with the spending power of Abu-Dhabi owned Manchester City or Roman Abramovich’s Chelsea, who forked out £75m in January on Fernando Torres and David Luiz. Officials from Qatar Holdings were at Wembley a fortnight ago, sitting close to the Glazer family and senior United figures during the Champions League final against Barcelona.
The Qatar royal family – under the guise of the Qatar Foundation for Education, Science and Community – are Barcelona’s shirt sponsors after penning a massive £135m deal to become the Catalan club’s first paid shirt advertisers in the club’s 111-year history.
It is unclear whether any talks took place while the two parties were in London, but Qatar have made no secret of their interest in United as they look to bolster their sporting armoury ahead of the controversial 2022 World Cup.
Ferguson took United to Qatar in January last year and returned on his own in November to endorse the Aspire4Sport exhibition and conference in Doha to help promote Qatar as a sporting destination.
Fanatical
Barcelona manager Pep Guardiola was also a paid ambassador for Qatar’s successful 2022 World Cup bid, while Nou Camp president Sandro Rosell has been a vocal supporter of the Qatari football academy, styled on Barcelona’s.
But while they are happy to have links with Barca, Qatar Holdings know they could never buy the Catalan club, which is owned by 150,000 fanatical fans.
Qatar Holdings has a massive portfolio of worldwide property investments, including Harrods and London’s One Hyde Park – an apartment block where luxury flats go for around £30m each.
Buying United, though, is still thought to be their main sporting strategy.
And the anti-Glazer Green and Gold supporters were last night clinging to the hope Ferguson’s spending splurge is the signal that the unpopular Americans’ grip on United may be coming to an end.
Reading through this….I am hoping that the Glazers did take a 250mill loan FROM the the Qataris…..just might mean they have a foot in the door….interesting times are a foot for Utd…
LUHG
Thought just struck me…… could the Qatari’s already be involved with United…. seems that we have spending money ….could they be funding it…. ‘on the quiet’….. the plot thickens…… LUHG
COME ON CEDARS, SMARTALEX & WILLIEREDNUTS……… Don’t let some idiots spoil what we have here
wow, the article from the people seems like a load of bollocks.
Jones will sign the deal. Old trafford the only place to learn from the best in Sir..
More to follow……
CHAMP19NS.
i don’t believe any word from that article.
Fantasists they abound like the death and destruction boys.
Don’t get complacent. We crawled over the line last season becasue Chelsea had a huge crisis mid-season and Arsenal nosedived after their Carling Cup defeat. Replacing Scholes, Giggs and Van der Saar will cost a whole lot of money at a time when teams will have to balance the books. The days of sugar daddies are coming to an end. Chelsea and City will not have long to get things back into balance financially so they are not such a threat as they currently seem. But this team needs a major overhaul or it will be found out. It would have been found out had Sir Alex not been so briliant. Pride comes before a fall and too many United fans are in it for the glory alone. Old Trafford was a fortress last year and that saved us. Away we were abysmall whilst Arsenal were top. Credit where credit is due but the years ahead look very difficult for United.
@STR
And here we go again with another bulshit post from you about the Glazers. You are annintelligent guy so why can’t you show it on this issue rather than repeat the crap from MUST who have never been happy with our owners and never will be until they themselves are in control.
If the Glazers are the leaches that some like to make out then why did they leave Ronaldos fee and the almost 100mill in addition to that sitting innthe bank. They aren’t business idiots, infant they have been shown to be smart and ruthless businessmen so why would people like that throw money away. The interest rate is tiny in the bank and they could have used it to buy back more of the debt/bonds thus increasing profits or the could have Used it to invest and got a return much closer and maybe higher than the interest rate of the bonds.
They have also regularry turned down their dividends and have never taken a dividend since taking over. The only payment they have taken is the standard management fee of a few mill a year that the PLC also paid ithe directors and most companies and football clubs pay for accounting reasons.
THE ONLY REASON FOR LEAVING IT IN THE BANK IS BECAUSE ITS SET ASIDE TO SPEND ON PLAYERRS WHEN SAF WANTS TO
RE: Takeover
Its the same rumour that has no basis but is good for both sides so both play it up slightly. The rumours after all are based on two things
1) The Glazers paying the PIKs
2) the transfer spending now
If we look at point 2 first we may not have the bottomless pit of Chelsea and City BUT it’s not like we are skint as there is150mill in the bank with a good cash profit being generated every year that has helped boost it every year despite spending most seasons. With some of the surplus already reducing the bonds (and rumours that the next quarter will show a simerlar amount knocked off) then cash profits are enough to support a decent spend, especially when finacial fair play fully kicks in
On point 1. People think the Glazers didnt have the money to pay these due to the anti Glazer camp and the way they twisted the situation. However they have a solid, mall business that despite what Andy Green and Panorama would like people to believe turns good profits (some have struggled and made the parent companies profits look weaker but it’s why they were let to goto the wall because the liability the Glazers had in them was tiny, the liability was with the bank and to prop them up with money fro, the profitable ones would have seen them quickly spend more propping them up than their liability is for) and the finacial rules in the States along with the terms of the PIK’s allowed them to roll up the interest, write off interet against tax and then use this money set aside form interest and tax payments to invest thus making money from it which paying wouldn’t have achieved. Additionally they used the world finacial situation to buy some of the PIKs from then holders for a fraction of their value in 2008 (about £40mill of the £183mill borrowed via PIKS Which they paid under 10mill for) thus making paying the PIKs off even easier as they could just write this 40mill and it’s interest off.
On the Quataris, They aren’t on the whole business owners, they have one business they own and thats Harrods. The rest of their investments have been small minority stakes in business’s don’t require them to concern themselves in the running. The Harrods deal was most likely a deal dome for the property. It’s a good investment that will require little input from them to keep turning a good profit while the property value will a most certainly keep rising significantly. United even if they stay out of then football matters requires a fair amount of input from then owners to keep revenues rising. I personally doubt they are up for this and even if they are now I would be worried about after the world cup is over and there is less motivation for them.
They are IMHO more likely to take a small investment stake at an inflated price which the Glazere may go for as they would make some money personally while keeping control as the stake would be a minority one.
Wakey.
don’t waste your time your only encouraging them,let the fantasists fantasize.
Wakey: Either you are a Glazer stooge paid to pose as a fan on forums, or you are one of those tiresome types whose Business Studies GCSE makes you think you possess some greater insight. Either way, you are an enemy of Manchester United.
The argument that the Glazers have been good for United because their regime has coincided with the most concentrated period of success in the club’s history, is akin to the Nazis claiming credit for Anne Frank’s diary. The reason the manager backs them in public is because he decided his purpose is to keep the club together until the leeches have sucked enough blood and drop off the host body of their own accord – rather than spark a risky open battle with them.
RE: Jones
This may actually be good for us that this issue has arisen. Arsenal and Liverpool met his buyout but he rejected the chance to speak to them. So he clearly wants to join us. So why is it potentially good for us?
With a buy out clause being part of his contract it’s legal binding, by even trying to prevent the transfer going through they are breaching the contract thus making his contract null and void so if the story is true I may get dragged out but we could get him for nothing. Not sure how the compensation system works in this situation but I would assume no compensation would b due
Damn. Only just seen this thread as only occasional visitor these days.
Scott, I wouldn’t make the mistake of confusing our shrewd and often inspired transfer and development strategy with being “held back by our owners”.
We could have very easily pissed another £100m plus up the wall and won a lot less. We will never know.
Love United. Full stop.
I jump ship as well and leave my last post here. Thought this was a forum for United fans who never legs it but it seems we do these days. A shame you lot are like this here when in real life you are different. Stay true and be yourself is my motto.
Heading off to other fourms now and will forget about the republik of mancuntia.
Well done is spelling your own Managers name wrong in the “manager” table!
Great piece though!!
FusilliJerry Spot on. Fucking cavalry.
I’d like to correct an ealier post of mine. I said, “we might be witnessing a smooth handover where all parties have the Club’s best interests at heart” but meant to say, “smooth handover where both parties have solely money at heart”.
Paul H & Wakey
still think monkey man had it… no spending would have gotten the better of barca twice… maybe once, but now the club is in better shape for the future, especially with financial restrictions impending for the future…
@FusilliJerry
And you are who exactly? Getting told I’m on the Glazers payroll when I have been on this blog for years by a newbie really is hilarious. And to be told I’m an enemy of the club really takes the biscuit.
Anyone who has spent time on this blog knows ( even if they don’t agree with me) that i’m not spouting pr bullshit fed to me from the Glazers but have put time and effort in educating myself on the situation.
Anyone who does this with an open mind soon realises it’s no where near as bad as MUST and the media makes out. There are some bad things about their ownership and the amount leveraged while acceptable is at the high end of acceptable but for all the bad aspects there are positives and they certainly are better than most of the owners we see in the league who buy players over their managers head, sack managers left right and centre and even interfere with picking the team
@drakegoona
I don’t believe Scott put the tables together. They look like they came from these site where they list all these stats and figure
I believe this is spending from 2005, so it ommits Rooney and Ferdinand (50m). I would guess it ommitts Tevez also. Which would bring united spending to the same level as chelsea? Even without the Ronaldo sale? Just goes to show it is all about money…..
@Wakey
I read your analysis with an “open mind” and although some of your points sound reasonable, believing the Ronaldo is still there all nicely tugged in the bank gaining interest while SAF decides to use it, is botherline naive. You must believe in Santa if you really think we will be splashing anywhere near 80mil this summer or the next. Sir Alex said that the club will be seing 2-3 new faces this summer, and if the 3 deals that are currently being negotiated come to fruition(de Gae, Young, Jones) that would be it! (nowhere near Ronnie cash)
I wish to believe what you believe mate, but I truly dont think that United is nothing more than a big cow, with lots of milk to feed your Glazzers
lads,
I live in Qatar, and i’ve got to tell you being taken over by Qatar Holdings may not be a good thing. They know fuckall about football, or anything really, except throwing money around. If they interfere in the running of the club they will fuck it up big style.
@Devil310
It’s hardly naive when the accounts show the money is tucked away in the bank. Now you seem to have missed my point on the interest, the bank interest rate is awful and has been for a long time. There is just no point having 150mill of cash in the bank when interest rates are so poor and the bond rate in comparison high (interest rate is 0.5% in the uk and the bonds are 8.5%). Considering the anti glazer crowd are always telling us what leaches they are does it really sound realistic that they are letting 150mill sit there when it could be made to work better (even buying back more of the bonds would make more sense).
If you had a house with a 500k mortgage and had 150k sitting in the bank gaining almost no Interest just ask yourself would you seriously not use it to either pay down the mortgage OR invest it elsewhere which will give you bigger returns. The only reason yo might not do so is if you had it earmarked to improve the house
Now I haven’t said I expect the 80mill plus to be spent but that’s SAF’s choice as he is smarter than the likes of the sheiks and knows that it’s about getting a squad that blends as one rather than spending money on ‘superstars’. He will buy who he thinks we need based on what’s available, who he feels will blend and what he feels is a fair value (overpaying after all may seem worth it to many of us to get a player but there are various knock on effects this can cause down the line)
Oh and on SAF’s 2-3 new faces needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. It was said while he was still saying he hoped Scholes would stay so there could be an extra midfielder now on the shopping list and some signings may not have been in his mind when he said it (I suspect Jones may have been one we were forced into doing this summer) and finally it’s part of being manager to keep the other clubs guessing
Well the interesting thing about the stats is how fucking stupid City, Chelsea and Vermin are for spending money on players who do not perform
The comment “we can only dream of how many more trophies we could have had to our name if not for the constraints put on our spending by our owners” is falacious at best.
Let’s see we could have bought Aquilani, Adebayor, 8 Liverpool players, Torres (twice), Crouch (4 times) Robbie Keane (8 times) etc and we would have been a better team?
So who did we buy _ Ronaldo, Nani, Vidic, Anderson, The Twins, Smalling, Chico, VDS, Evra, Valencia – what did they cost – we won 4 titles (should have been 5 but Atkinson saw to that) / 1 UCL/ 2 other UCL finals.
Buying players means nothing if they do not perform – who should we have bought who would have made us a better team? Outside Messi/Iniesta/Xavi cannot think of too many. (Who did Barca buy over the past five years? They just perfected a team with players they had developed)
Only point I would make is that some of the buys – Bellion/Obertain/Bebe/Manucho (spec buys at best) the money may have been better spent on a “known” player but who??
No point is spending money for the sake of spending.
UNITED 20/4/12 – 2012
There is no reason for Man United to spend tons of money on players. We have good youth players who we can develop into stars. People often complain that the reason that Man U win is cause we have so much money to spend on players, i.e. bentiz’s article on soccernet, obviously we dont spend much money. I agree with our policy of only spend money when we need to. Fergie is a genius he knows when to spend and not.