After an on going discussion over what portion of Manchester was red and what was blue, I had a look at attendances of the season just gone.
Despite the fact that more fans have come to watch United play than City every single season since 1947, long before the glory supporters from outside of Manchester, which therefore suggests United is the more popular team to have been passed down from one generation to the next, you often hear people (usually who have never been to Manchester) suggesting City is the more popular team in Manchester.
Comparing United’s attendances to City’s now proves nothing over the allegiance of Manchester, given how many fans from outside Manchester now come to Old Trafford.
However, when you compare City’s attendances to other clubs in the league, it further dismisses the blue myth. If Manchester is blue, why do they have so many empty seats on a weekly basis? Their stadium doesn’t even seat 50,000 people, yet every week, regardless of ticket price, regardless of opponents, they fail to sell all their tickets. Anyone who lives in Manchester knows the truth, City fans included, but it’s nice to have some statistics to support that truth.
I therefore thought it would be interesting to look at the attendances of the original old four, as well as those aspiring to be a part of it, and how well these teams have been supported so far this season.
However, there are several things to consider which don’t make the stats as accurate as you would like when comparing.
1. Away end
The away section obviously has an impact on the overall attendance. I can only speak on behalf of inside Old Trafford but the away sections were particularly and surprising poorly filled against Wigan and Blackburn. Here’s a picture of all the empty seats in the away corner against Wigan, for example. I assume this plays a part in all of the stadiums and can make some mark on the figures, but isn’t anything substantial. For example, Manchester City’s away allocation contributes to 6% of all seats in the ground and so if you imagine their away end was just 2/3 full, 2% of their ground’s overall empty seats could be attributed to the away fans.
2. Ticket prices
The price of tickets obviously plays a part in how high the attendance is, with lots of fans being put off attending because of prices or simply not be able to afford to attend as much as they would like. Some clubs run prices by category, so whilst higher category games are more expensive, they are also more popular to attend. (e.g. an Arsenal fan could be charged over £94 to watch Arsenal vs Spurs, a Category A game, but obviously would be more eager to watch that than a Category B game against Wolves, which could cost £35)
Looking at the stats for Europe, it stands to reason Champions League games (which effects Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester United and Spurs) are more expensive than Europa League games (which effects Liverpool and Manchester City)
Here are the average season ticket prices to give an indication of how expensive watching football is at each of these clubs, and therefore, how affordable it is for a fan to regularly attend.
Manchester City- £485.62
Liverpool – £716.25
Manchester United – £730.00
Chelsea – £822.50
Tottenham – £925.71
Arsenal – £1,177.50
3. Boycott
Manchester United are in the midst of a protest against the owners, with 60,000+ having already given up their season ticket since 2005 and even more refusing to step inside the ground whilst the Glazers are still at the club.
4. Capacity
Obviously it’s easier to sell out grounds when you have a smaller capacity. Here is the total possible capacity of the grounds in comparison to the largest, Old Trafford.
Old Trafford: 75,957
Emirates: -15,602
City of Manchester: -28,131
Anfield: -30,595
Stamford Bridge: -34,116
White Hart Lane: -39,647
So here are the stats:
Manchester City – Europe
Ahead of the first Europa League game, City were offering tickets to all three group stage games for a total of £50, working out at £17 a game.
On the day of the Juventus game, they were selling tickets for £10 (£5 for under-16s).
On the day of the Salzburg game, they were selling tickets for £5 (£1 for under-16s).
vs Salzburg – 10,274 empty seats. 21% empty.
vs Juventus – 12,614 empty seats. 26% empty.
vs Timisoara – 24,282 empty seats. 51% empty.
Average: 32.7% empty
Manchester City – Premiership
vs Arsenal – 433 empty seats. 0.9% empty.
vs United – 616 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Chelsea – 623 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Liverpool – 739 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Newcastle – 1,759 empty seats. 4% empty.
vs Birmingham – 3,505 empty seats. 7% empty.
vs Blackburn – 3,580 empty seats. 7% empty.
Average: 3.3% empty
Average in Europe and League: 12.9% empty
Liverpool – Europe
vs Trabzonspor – 4,421 empty seats. 10% empty.
vs Napoli – 11,467 empty seats. 25% empty.
vs Steaua Bucharest – 19,757 empty seats. 44% empty.
Average: 26.3% empty
Liverpool – Premiership
vs Arsenal – 640 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Cheseal – 1,124 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Sunderland – 1,736 empty seats. 4% empty.
vs Blackburn – 2,034 empty seats. 4% empty.
vs Blackpool – 2,206 empty seats. 5% empty.
vs West Ham – 2,336 empty seats. 5% empty.
vs West Brom – 4,168 empty seats. 9% empty.
Average: 4.3% empty
Average in Europe and League: 10.9% empty
Tottenham Hotspur – Europe
vs Inter – 0 empty seats. 0% empty.
vs Young Boys – 1,601 empty seats. 4% empty.
vs Werder Bremen – 2,764 empty seats. 8% empty.
vs FC Twente – 3,792 empty seats. 10% empty.
Average: 5.5% empty
Tottenham Hotspur – Premiership
vs Everton – 343 empty seats. 0.9% empty.
vs Liverpool – 348 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Wolves – 370 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs City – 382 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Villa – 439 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Sunderland – 476 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Blackburn – 610 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Wigan – 1209 empty seats. 3% empty.
Average: 1.4% empty
Average in Europe and League: 2.7% empty
Chelsea – Europe
vs Spartak Moscow – 1,365 empty seats. 3% empty.
vs Marseille – 1,166 empty seats. 3% empty.
vs MSK Milina – 1,575 empty seats. 4% empty.
Average: 3.3% empty
Chelsea – Premiership
vs Arsenal – 13 empty seats. 0.03% empty.
vs Blackpool – 80 empty seats. 0.2% empty.
vs Wolves – 89 empty seats. 0.2%
vs Fulham – 248 empty seats. 0.6% empty.
vs West Brom – 252 empty seats. 0.6% empty.
vs Sunderland – 769 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Stoke – 910 empty seats. 2% empty.
Average: 0.8% empty
Average in Europe and League: 1.6% empty
Manchester United – Europe
United’s attendances, particularly in the league, will make disappointing reading for those encouraging a boycott
vs Rangers – 1,549 empty seats. 2% empty.
vs Bursaspor – 3,347 empty seats. 4% empty.
Average: 3% empty
Manchester United – Premiership
vs Wolves 672 empty seats. 0.9% empty.
vs West Brom – 685 empty seats. 0.9% empty.
vs Spurs – 734 empty seats. 0.9% empty.
vs Newcastle – 736 empty seats. 0.9% empty.
vs Liverpool – 744 empty seats. 0.9% empty.
vs West Ham – 896 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Blackburn – 1,107 empty seats. 1% empty.
vs Wigan – 1,776 empty seats. 2% empty.
Average: 1% empty
Average in Europe and League: 1.6% empty
Arsenal – Europe 60,355 seated
vs Shakhtar Donetsk – 339 empty seats. 0.6% empty.
vs Braga – 1,022 empty seats. 2% empty.
Average: 1.3% empty
Arsenal – Premiership
vs Spurs – 253 empty seats. 0.4% empty.
vs West Ham – 269 empty seats. 0.4% empty.
vs Birmingham – 285 empty seats. 0.5% empty.
vs Newcastle – 269 empty seats. 0.5% empty.
vs Blackpool – 323 empty seats. 0.5% empty.
vs West Brom – 330 empty seats. 0.5% empty.
vs Bolton – 479 empty seats. 0.8% empty.
Average: 0.5% empty
Average in Europe and League: 0.7% empty
Conclusions
- Arsenal have been the best supported team this season. Despite having the highest ticket prices, they have more bums on seats than any other ground in the country.
- If United weren’t in the midst of 5+ year boycott, it stands to reason they would have the lowest % of empty seats. Regardless, so far this season, United have sold 180,056 more tickets than Arsenal for league games this season. There is a difference of 276,779 ticket sales between United and City in the league so far this season.
- City have had more empty seats for European games this season than Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, United or Spurs.
- Liverpool have had more empty seats for league games this season than Arsenal, Chelsea, City, United or Spurs.
- City have by far the cheapest tickets, for both league and European games (particularly for European games), but this is not reflected by the attendance, with City having a larger % of empty seats for European games, and only Liverpool having a larger % of empty seats for league games.
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I’m actually quite surprised Old Trafford is only 0.9% empty, I would have predicted higher than that. Interesting stats Scott.
Old Trafford, percentage wise will be quite low, but thats because the total capacity is the largest among all of these teams. Having said that, our stadium has constantly been 70,000+ which just shows how amazing our fans are, compared to the rest.
very interesting, but the emirates was empty today. they got out of jail as well.
@vishakh: united have average just over 75K per game in the Premier League this.
What’s more important is the support the fans give, who attend matches. I would rather take 5000 fans and leave the rest empty if those fans can produce more noise and encouragement to the team than a completely filled stadium.
The emirates was not empty today!
There was still over 60,000 people in there.
All the camera angles of the fans was focusing on the second tier, where the nice restaurants and rich (but sometimes uninterested) fans are. Thats why its sometimes quieter than it should be.
Man U obviously have the largest capacity stadium so maybe there attendance percentage is understandable.
@hr: yes, it was. i am not talking about the view they showed of the stadium in the second-half or before half-time, but there were two seats here and a seat there unfilled in the first! It was quite humorous at one point, because the fulham fans were chanting “come on fulham, come on fulham” and then you hear this one, poor arsenal fan trying to match.
if you are a manchester united supporter do not refer to the club as “Man U” ….. http://www.theunitedreligion.com/p/manchester-united.html
Interesting stuff Scott, now since your putting out a lot of stats recently if you can come up with stats on Nani’s goals & assists record when he plays on the right wing versus when hes played out wide on the left id be impressed and grateful.
Scott: Your rants against City are correct but I feel we can do without them. They are a small team with an even smaller mentality and if they win something we can include them in discussions. 3 posts about them does more than fair justice to their mediocrity
Scott,
Just a warning. Unless you’ve paid Getty to use their image I’d remove it from your site.
They are quite keen at chasing up payment for image use, even if they still have the watermark on.
I know a few people who have got the dreaded letter demanding exorbitant amounts of money for image usage.
Exactly what “ground capacity” are you referring to in (4), where you have the Emirates at 15, 602? Please clarify as the last time I checked, the Emirtes had a capacity of 60,000 plus.
Nasri, the French Messi!
@willie, dont you mean: Messi, the argentinian Nasri? lol
I have to say the City figures surprised me as I assumed the new money and new expectations would create a buzz amongst their supporters and create an artificial and temporary high, similar to that experienced by newly promoted sides. Which would suggest that unless they win something soon their figures wil only get worse.
I think also it destroys the myth that Chelsea struggles to fill the Bridge and raises the question that if Abromovich wants to make the club sustainable in the longer term why doesn’t he look into increasing their capacity?
If the Emirates had any spare capacity for the Fullham match I suspect that it would be because of the disruption caused by the weather which would have reflected on all games played today – a bit of a stupid point you made hammons. Especially as Blackpool couldn’t host you guys at all.
Finally, if you are right about 60,000+ Man U fans giving up their season tickets, that reveals an incredible spare capacity which surely must raise the possibility of increasing ticket prices.
United.George – Maybe so mate lol.
Scott,why do you refer to fans from outside Manchester as ”GLORY SUPPORTERS”?
I was always led to believe Manchester United belonged to the world…
actually it’s a MSK Zilina, not Milina
and that’s very important information for these stats
the fuck, Arsenal season ticket price!
Wonder how much is worth is, with a good record of losing to promoted teams.
@ weeeeldrinkadrinkadrink
I thought that too, I don’t think he meant any offence or actually meant to say that everyone outside Manchester are glory hunters. Simply that it was before day-trippers who attend games complete with bagfuls of crap from the megastore!
And the money the club makes from those “bags fulls of crap” has gone along way to making the club successful
I must admit I was was very surprised at the low Wigan presence at OT but even more so by Blackburn who in recent years have been one of the teams whose fans love to berate us with “do you come from Manchester” etc etc, and have in never failed to fill thier allocation in the past. It must be different reasons, Wigan continue to suffer from it still being a rugby town and I can only think the average Blackburn fan is feeling the pinch of the economic downturn.
To be honest I think this is one of the best articles Scott has written but the City fans will take no notice I mean jeez they even have the banner “we’re not really here” in the stadium, now if they where full every week it would be a brilliant piece of ironic wit, in actual fact it depicts city for what they are a bunch of deluded pricks with no sense of themselves. When the dish dash mob bought them they must have shown them videos of past derbies to exemplify the wonderful atmosphere and fan base, I guess the arabs wish they could play us every week!
GoonerEris says:
Exactly what “ground capacity” are you referring to in (4), where you have the Emirates at 15, 602? Please clarify as the last time I checked, the Emirtes had a capacity of 60,000 plus.
Have you worked it out yet lol, look at the rest of the stats in the same paragraph, I can’t believe you can’t see what he means.
@united till i die
I don’t deny that. I was simply explaining what I thought Scott meant by his glory supporters terminology.
I think we all miss the point of “day trippers” some might only attend one game in thier life or one game a season, maybe a couple more, what is important is that some of these fans should be encouraged in thier attendance so they become more regular. Another aspect of these types of fans is this, last year before the Liverpool game we came accross the Salonika branch of the UTD supporters club, about a dozen of them with thier own club branch emblem, maybe it was thier only game that year but they looked to be very pleased at being there, should we deny or decry thier attendance.
Ha ha fuck Chelsea, oh and did i say “FUCK CHELSEA”.
Empty seats againt the scousers?? Surprising…
Very interesting stats Scott, thanks for collecting all these informations.
Just because some of the fans aren’t from manchester doesn’t meen they are glory fans, I’m not from manchester i live an hour away but i am not a glory fan i’ve been a utd fan all my life and so has my dad even my grandma is a utd fan.
yeah, know what you mean Ryan I live 30 mins away and back in the 70′s and 80′s when I was at school being a UTD fan got you plenty of sitck, I’ve earned my stripes.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CDQQqQIwBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fuk.eurosport.yahoo.com%2F04122010%2F58%2Fpremier-league-berbatov-end-career-utd.html&ei=RLz6TJLhMYOzhAfjo8WhCw&usg=AFQjCNEfxqsQwwEcRTttWMXpB0KWP_s0sQ
The Berb wants to end his career at United.
Unlucky Shaun, you did Madchester proud.
fuck i am good with figures, particularly 28, 30, 28. Too much in their Scott I need to print that aff.
To digest and analyse.
I am sure its not biased. Why not……. I think the moderators motto should be…….Dont start with me …… you will not win!
Off to the pub … and drink a drink. We can do this and Chelski fail.Arsenal dont enter the equation
quick question off topic.
What team does Shaun Ryder support, or is that not known? Seems like he’d be a City fan but if he isn’t he is an idol to everyone.
United have to keep Nasri quiet next Monday. If he isn’t involved I can’t see anything but a United convincing win. Rooney back on form, well, playing well at least. Berb hopefully in the mood. Nani. Their defence will not cope with that. All this happening the day after Spurs anihalate Chelsea.
Week after we at least draw at Stamford Bridge. Week after we win our game whilst Chelsea and Arsenal draw. We are then clear at the top with our game in hand.
Merry Crimbo.
I see Tevez has been acting like a petulant prick again with his reaction for getting subbed off!
The Fly – Shauns a red mate.
willierednut
Cheers. Legendary, fucking loved those few years. And I actually do remember it all.
Anyone see Match of the day. Tev, the club captain, ranting at mancini when he was subbed. ‘This is how it feels to be City part 348′.
And at least you didn’t have far to go home after the 4-0 dubbing at West Ham either!
Yeah Tevez wasn’t happy
he wishes he was still at united, you can tell all he ever goes onabout is quiting football thats what city does to you rots your insides!
The blackpool game been postponed could actually mean better preparationg and lots of rest for the United players. No excuses not to whip dem arse’s. UNITED RULES! P.s were is costas?
“Before the glory supporters came”
Wtf, you know all supporters of a club is a supporter?
Is shaun a red? Is he into football? Hope so as I love him. First mondays tunes hallelujah, rave on and wrote for luck absolute quality.
off topic
Gerard houllier claiming he found ronaldo
SOUR GRAPES!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1335700/Gerard-Houllier-I-spotted-Ronaldo-Fergie-Liverpool-wouldnt-let-buy-.html?ITO=1490
Maybe City thinks that Mancunians dont really watch football that much. So OT and Wasteland are supposed to be half-empty all the time if not for United’s glory hunting fans.
What drab
Raizzen
KL
@Scott…….have you had no sleep for the last few days compiling those stats!! Fucking hell that is some research…..respect due mate.
The glazers suck..we all know that…but evn after thier increase in ticket prices we chatgr less than arsenal,chelsea and tottenham….surprising!
@King Eric……..Shaun is a United fan mate 100%
TV host to Andy Townsend ‘ So Andy, Arsenal’s next three game are United away then Stoke and Chelsea at home, where do you see them slipping up?’
Andy ‘ To be honest and looking at those fixtures I would say that Stoke at the Emirates pose the biggest threat, the physical style of Stoke does not suit the way Arsenal play the beautiful game.’
Host ‘ Don’t you think Arsenal will have a tough game at Old Trafford?’
Andy ‘ Not really to be honest, Arsenal will batter you if you try and play their game, footballing wise they are by far the best team in the land.’
@Scott The Red, i love a good stat but with this latest lot it’s not totally clear what it is you’re trying to prove. Apart from the fact that Citeh, as a club and a business, is a lost cause. But I’ll tell what my take on them is and I’d appreciate your feedback.
On the basis of these calculations, if I’m either running or advising the club I can see that given the low (2nd to Arsenal) rates of empty seats and the substantial difference between the two clubs ST average price, I’d say that the supporters are getting value for money and would be confident that they (the Market) would tolerate higher prices still at Old Trafford. The fact that the club hasn’t done that this season demonstrates the sensitive and considerate line being taken.
And for my own understanding I’d like to get further into the stats quoted that 60,000 have deserted OT since 2005 and ‘many more’ (how many?) are refusing to set foot in the place!!
Interesting because the cluster of match goers around me in WL101 are predominately the same faces I’ve seen over the past 12 years or so since we moved there. Even though now, we’re in the midst of a protest.
All very interesting and some stats that I’d like to you get into further. You’ve pointed out so often that United fans are being ‘rinsed’ by the Glazers, so following that line through, if you’re a gooner, chav or a yid you are being positively ‘drowned’ by the club? I don’t see any protests there though and theirs fans that I come across seem a generally happy bunch. Maybe it’s the weather up here that makes us revolt?
Final question too, if I may. How are you calculating the average ST price at each of the grounds? Because my tickets at OT are about 40% lower than your average price.
Gary Neville is hanging up the boots this summer, not a surprise but still sad
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1335770/Manchester-United-legend-Gary-Neville-set-announce-retirement-end-season.html
Great research Scott but you need a holiday …. Off subject slightly ,our protest against the Glazers perhaps they (Glazer family) could redeem themselves by taking on Fifa in the murky world of finance , contracts & business ? Just a thought …
Fifas finances, glazers finances, where would you start?
Fergie rejected City ground share plan.
http://premierleagueupdates.blogspot.com/2010/12/fergie-stopped-city-ground-share.html
CedarsDevil- Hello mate. That’s something you’ve made up isn’t it? It cannot be real.
theboogeyman
No mate I did not make that up, just copied what I heard, and yes it is real…. The ABU pundits do not amaze me any more with all the shit they spout but it is real
Sorry I do not have a source for my story but anyone around the world who can get to watch PLTV will or would have seen that interview with the ‘great’ Andy
united we stand 82
Thank fuck we didnt end up sharing a ground with the berties.
Surprised to hear we even contemplated it.. Imagine life without Old Trafford..
Imagine sharing a ground with the bitters?
Morning everyone. Some interesting, but not unexpected reports today. One about Gary Neville retiring at the end of the season and one about Hargo leaving when his contract runs out. As things stand now, I think both are pretty much certain.
Morning Costas, you lazy geek
@Cedars
Lol, I am not lazy. That honour belongs to Berb.
Costas
LOL, fair enough mate and as I have been saying all along sell the lazy Bulgarian and buy Marcus Bent, blimey Sir Alex has no idea does he? While we are at it, sell SAF and buy Rafa, the guy does wonders in chemistry…… Destroy the big and make them small, up for a Noble anyone?
Liverpool could have signed Cristiano Ronaldo…..
http://premierleagueupdates.blogspot.com/2010/12/liverpool-turned-down-cristiano-ronaldo.html
Arsenal also could have signed him
Old story.
Watching him score the 2nd goal the other night. What a self-loving fella. Maybe that’s the way to be today.
Ronaldo loves himself? I’m astounded. @ CedarsDdevil Big nose Townsend probably means that Stoke will park the bus, when they play the Arse. We, on the other hand, will go at the Arse from the start. I actually think Arsenal are the only team down the years, that always come to OT and think they can win, it’ll be an open game as usual.
Jespermoses. Cheers mate. Cedars. Morning pal. Unbelievable. Its time that big nosed cockney rentboy townsend shut his fucking cake hole. When united play like they did last week we are THE best footballing team in ingerlund. Difference is we can mix it. Funny on sunday supp. Discussing if citeh are STILL in the title race. Didn’t know they ever were.
@CedarsDevil
where do u get the PLTV channel on? what satellite is it on? 1w?
so Arsenal are the best footballing team in the epl? Shite home record, can’t defend, have no plan b game just pass pass pass and a captain who publicy stated he wants to be somewhere else
Amazing homework done to produce the stats, Scott. One reason why I always come back here.
9/10 to you! A pass!
Incidentally they’re all saying Arsenal may win the PL but let them talk. They keep bringing all this title contenders to the scene and hardly mention United. But the reasons for that are obvious, we are always there.
Too right corea mate. Uurrgghh. Fuck me. Just eating me dinner and nearly vomiting. Just switched to sky sports news and they are at wastelands with dozens of bitters all dressed in fucking blue santa outfits and sticking up for tevez. Fucking clowns.
King Eric – passionate red you are.
obertanthenewstar
Hi mate, PLTV are the main distributors for the PL. It depends which part of the world you are in and who has the rights for broadcasting the games. PLTV comes as part of the package, they are not a stand alone TV channel.
King Eric
I am fine thanks mate, in all honesty these pundits only put a smile on my face these days with their obvious bias, I just wonder whether or not they actually think anyone buys into the crap they spout on TV
Could have signed Ronaldo eh Houlier? Wenger said that too. And Wenger did say the same thing about Becks too. That’s what makes the difference between Sir Alex, the best in the business, from the rest.
I could have had Megan Fox before her husband. There, that wasn’t so hard, was it Gerrard Houllier?
King Eric – lets forget the titles between 93 to 2003. Lets look at the recent success compared to the arsenal that PPL still think they are great to watch like they have reached the hights of barcelona.
2005/06 season carling cup
2006/07 premiership champions
2007/08 premiership champions european champions community shield winners
2008/09 premiership champions carling cup winners world club cup winners community shield winners
2009/10 carling cup winners
2010 community shield winners
so in 5 years since 2006 united have failed not to win a piece of silverwear, thats more than arsenal have done in half a decade, and more than shitty have done in 3 and half decades. And that is a fact
fergie is the boss – Matt Le Tissier almost ejaculated when seeing Nasri’s second goal. Like that sort of goal has never been scored before. I can’t wait until next Monday – hope Rooney, Berba and Nani fill their boots against these over-hyped pricks.
Kings – lol they only just won 2 1 after one horrible run of form
Future United star Henderson has scored for Sunderland……;-)
LOL @ Costas 16:04 and @ Kings
Great stats, Ross..but honetsly dont you think you are belaboring the pt. about Manchester being red? I dont live there, or in the UK, but forget Manchester, the world is goddamn red. I mean, do we even need to talk about it? Who the fuck even knew or cared about City? Who does still? Do we really even have a “myth” that Manchester, or any corner of the world belongs to that club? Who the fuck believes that?
Off topic, Rooney giving tuitions to Shweinsteiger? http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hsvl86HRFELE3m_HZlpD3xc-rgMA?docId=CNG.300799038873fcbfc322eddd94cc181d.581
Watching the Sunderland game with one eye. Danny is so tall and looks a bit awkward.
True what Fergie said about him. Every time we judge one player or another we should stop for a second and ask ourselves the question whether we know all the issues surrounding one player or another.
Jeet – i wasn’t too positive about the chances of him signing with us. I guess you are right and it’s just the tool to earn a higher salary. It seems like the only thing they will consider shipping to us is another Owen Hargreaves. Sorry Owen.
Corea
Hi mate, fair point re Welbeck but he has had a terrific season so far, as for today’s game he is being played out of position on the left. I think he is much more effective playing as a front man
West Ham back to normal after their cup final win Against United.
really hope welbeck stays, he had another good game today, more experience under his belt. dont quite understand his critics who doubt his united class tho – he’s only 19 FFS, barely an adult. He doesnt even have a single season of first team football to his name yet, but he’s still leaving his mark on the league in a big way. He’s a local… plays either wing as well as up front… links up well with other attacking players… he’s fast… he’ll only get stronger… i mean, what more do you skepital cunts want from a teenager exactly? lol WELL DONE DANNY !!!!!
Paul Parker
spot on mate, personally I am a big fan of Welbeck (Who recently turned 20 btw lol)
Wonder if West Ham would trade Tuesda’s win over us with three point today?
They will end up where the belong – in the Championship!
Another good day for Welbeck. If he continues like this he should be given a chance at United.
Ridiculous dive from Cani from Villareal against Sevilla.
Outrageous.
@CedarsDevil
Alright mate
was just reading SAF’s comments on Welbeck, about him now putting on muscle and developing, noticed the article stated he’s no longer a teenager lol
Caught a bit of Cleverly on MOTD, haven’t seen him in a full game yet but his equalizer woudve done wonders for his confidence. Diouf is another one im watching esp after Ole’s praise, and when I’ve seen him (like against Chelsea) he really does give defenders problems. Kiko’s the only Striker im slightly worried about, I think he’d benefit from going on loan as well, maybe even to Italy. It makes a big diference to break into a first team on loan, Danny’s done well to shine alongside Gyan and Bent.
“He had a bad game but he’s not the only person to have had a bad game,” said Ferguson. “For a centre-back he’s still young. He had a great season last time and there’s no problem.”
Guess who the gaffer is talking about. Get off the guy’s back.
That be Mr Evans. I’ve been saying that from the start of the season, about Jonny, he’s still young for a CH.
Paul Parker
Been lucky enough to see a bit of Tom and he seems to be the real deal… Otherwise spot on with your assessment, big fan of Kiko but I agree he needs more games….
Corea
Easy one mate, Vidic right? Oh wait Rio? surely must be Evans!!! LOL
Willie
Fantastically over grown intelligent minds think alike my friend…..
CedarsDevil – It’s the fish mate, brain food lol.
Corea & Willierednut
spot on, he did well when we threw him in the deep end during our injury crisis. I was glad to hear Brown come out and endorse the whole back four (raf smalling evans fab) because i’ve seen enough from all of them to believe they’ll step up. Was gutted with the defeat obviously, but there were positives, Alec said only Anderson played to a United standard. Some people disagreed but I also thought he played well. We need that boy working the ball in midfield, receiving and distributing, short and simple, waiting for the right moment for the reverse “look the wrong way” killer pass lol.
I think all our youngsters will kick on, but Evans is future captain material we just have to see if his mental game is on point, because the ABU media have really laid into him. You’d think this wasn’t his first season alongside Smalling, Jesus.
CedarsDevil – only true mancs understand gaffer’s puzzles
The ones who can count till 5 
@Paul Parker – you just can’t have one great season and then suddenly become useless. He needs to improve his upper body strength and everything else will some again. It’s the confidence problem.
PS. Really short posts by your standarts.
*come
lol@Corea – yeah, its a slow one tonight hahaha
Willie
Touche mate, especially when you eat it raw! lol
Paul Parker – welbeck could perform the roles of a ronaldo position when he was at united. I am not saying he will get anywhere near that level, but an inside winger on the left who could easily chip in about 10 to 12 goals a season. if cleverly beefs up use him in the central midfield role like modric does for spurs and with nani rooney and berbatov already established united could have one epic forward line
Paul parker. Spot on mate about danny. He had another decent game has beefed up and never stops running. This loan spell under brucey will be the makings of him. Meanwhile the shithouses on talksport saying chelsea struggling because of injuries and having to play ferrare at the back. Err try playing fletch carrick and an inexperienced de laet there.
King Eric – to add to insult De Laet isn’t even in the stands these days. Feel sorry for the lad.
Steve Bruce. What a decent human being.
King Eric – WOW we have allot of pro chelsea marks in the media its hilerious. Like you said about the injurys, and ronaldo and tevez leaving and and the rank decisions at stamford bridge and still they just about won the league by 1 point
@fergie is the boss
its funny, wasnt sure I liked Welbeck on either flank till this season but I think he plays that role well. he’s got the skill/speed to cut in and shoot/reach the line and cross on either foot. if anything we can count on his ability to play anywhere, because he can do the business up front as well, which is where i think he’ll end up, but since he’s so young im sure we’ll see him deployed wherever we need him for the next few years.
But Chelsea still have Lampard out, so you guys must feel pity for them, it is a crisis after all
Paul Parker – when ronaldo was here what he had was versitility right left and has a CF. now say welbeck becomes a first team reguler at united, he elimates all 3 positions we do not need worry for cover if we have 2 CF’s who can play has the striker, if we lose a striker to injury we can stick welbeck upfront. Now I am not being funny to park and valencia, but welbeck is a better all round player than those 2 combined. and a front 4 of nani welbeck rooney berbatov and with back ups of valencia park giggs hernandes owen macheda, gives united pound for pound the best squad in the premiership.
@King Eric – alright mate
yeah, Brucie will always be the man to me was really happy to see Welbeck go there. As for Chelsea, they had Terry and Essien back in a full strength team against Everton. They just look tired and devoid of ideas. You can always count on Chelsea to bottle it at least twice per season. I’ll tell you what im enjoying, all the pundits backtracking on all the shite they’ve been pushing. First It was “Chelsea are unstoppable” then it was “Spurs and City are real contenders for the top spot” and now its “this could be Arsenal’s year” – if we handle business over this period they’ll have to admit they were talking Bollocks all along. Priceless!
@fergie is the boss
I agree welbeck can play those positions, but tbh I cant wait for Valencia to come back. No he’s not a CF/Winger like welbeck, but 7 odd goals in his debut season from a wide position and a million assists? he gives us something no one else really does, a direct line of attack down the flank. And we still haven’t seen him play infield where he plays very well for his country. Personally I think he’s a class player, he’s not nani, but he doesn’t have to be. I’ll be happy if he keeps making the line before his man and whipping those crosses in. His link up play is decent too. He’s a classic United winger imo.
But I do get your point mate, we’ve got options!
who remembers this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N58TXFPDhZ4
Aye CedarsDevil, I think he was 17 here but dont quote me mate
Cya Fellas.
Paul Parker – yeah we remember it. Great goal. There were times when i started to doubt his abilities but i wasn’t well informed.
FITB – You can’t compare Valencia and Welbeck, different players altogether. I’m not sure if Danny will be given the chance to make it at United, with Henderson linked to United, he could be a make weight in any deal. If you look at our forward line of, Berbatov, Rooney, Hernandez, Kiko and Owen, someone will have to be sold to make room for him.
Willie, I would take Welbeck back in heartbeat mate.
Don’t forget, Owen and Berba are almost on the wrong side of 30. With it looking increasingly likely that Rooney will be pushed further towards midfield, we are left with Kiko and Hernandez as out and out strikers in 2-3 years. Plenty of room for a third, IMO.
willierednut – united can keep welbeck by putting him on the flank. Valencia I just find him to one dimensional, he goes wide and tries to put a cross in that is all he does, he does not cut inside and look to have a shot on goal like nani does. It is not enough for a united player, park again does not give united enough guile out wide, obertan again very average at the moment, bebe has just arrived. So welbeck could and I think he will get into that wide position ahead of valencia obertan bebe and park. so I can see welbeck been giving a real crack at united next season
I would rather united kept welbeck instead of getting another non goalscoring midfielder like henderson, who is not going to improve uniteds midfield like welbeck could. Is henderson better than carrick scholes fletcher and anderson I doubt it
Something like 12/13 assists and 7 goals last season, that’s not bad for a lad who was playing at Wigan the season before, he came to United. Valencia is ahead of Danny atm, that’s why he’s on loan at Sunderland, Fergie doesn’t think he’s ready for the first team yet.
The nonscoring midfielder scored today lol. I’m advocating United signing Hendersen, but that’s the rumor atm, Danny going to Sunderland and Hendersen coming the other way.
As much as I think henderson is a decent young player I wouldn’t call danny the makeweight but more young jordan. Would rather keep danny than lose him for henderson. A united and local lad and grown up the united way. His first touch is top drawer. I however cannot wait for tony to return.
*not*
Well, there around the same age and the fact is Henderson is a rising star, we all know you have to pay top dollar for young British players. Personally, I wouldn’t sign Henderson, or Rodwell, with Pogba potentially a better than both of them.
*player* where’s my glasses lol
willierednut – well he did score 1, but I ment over a course of a season he aint going to get more than carrick scholes fletcher and anderson do individually, so no he aint better than what united already got.
welbeck I think is ahead of valencia for 2 reasons
1 valencia is still in the middle of a bad injury
2 the experience and versitity welbeck now brings and his current form makes him a contender for the wide position at united
But henderson united do not need, gibson can get more goals than henderson and he aint a reguler. welbeck can just give united another source of goals he supports the club he can play both positions and a striker, is it worth while paying a fortune for a player who is no scholes xavi or iniesta, and aint another lampard who can put the goals away.
yes united do need a midfielder but again is he worth spending a fortune on, look at rodwell he has gone off the raider when last year many said he is worth more than 30 million
He ain’t ahead of Valencia, he isn’t even at the club at this time. Danny has a job on his hands to get in the United team, with the options we’ve got up front. Lets wait and see what happens if he comes back, before we judge who’s ahead of who.
One thing I will say is Dannys looking a better player than Kiko, who disappoints when he starts a game.
like I said I do not think he will be used has a striker, he will be used has one of the clubs wingers. valencia has a job getting back in the team or even getting fit at the minute. If cleverly is returning on loan in jan and is given a run in the team, cleverly could be taking up one of the clubs wide positions.
Hello tee hee hee, Im a little boy and have been watching football all my life. I think United need reinforcements as Arsenal are top of the league. I reckon we should beat City to the signing of Bale by spending 65million on him, also we should buy Caro for 50million and Henderson for 30million. Then we could be as good as WEST BROM. GET A FUCKING GRIP PEOPLE.
Carol is shit. Bale is a rabid dogs cock and Henderson is the crusty scone mix left in your mummies undies, and we all know you look through the laundry basket for your first smell of a woman.
For the sensible amongst us. Leave Evans and Smalling alone, for young lads they are doing all right. Wellbeck has certainly got a future, with him its just simple choice mistakes when it comes down to shooting or passing. His heads screwed on right and with time he’ll learn. Sir Alex has as always done a stirling job and by that left the door wide open for the anti Glazer brigade to bash their drum and shout aloud that there isnt any money left. Any large company at the top of their game keep on the path of glory by cutting down on outsourcing and do more within. We will have the dasilva twins, evans, smalling, Wellbeck, Macheda, Cleverley ……… our own product and only now and then will we bring in someone top draw. Look at Barcas own production. Come the time we need to sign a big player Im absolutely bloody sure it wont be a Henderson or Bale, lol. City can have them.
Valencia will be back in the new year and like a new signing as well.
he probably will be back but still its a big injury and that can see any player go backwards, but any player like welbeck who can play both right and left and can fill in has a striker, especially the way he is playing at sunderland is to good to let go, especially that he is english he has gained experience and he supports united that type of player is priceless
I support United, can I play for them? lol. That’s added pressure for any young player, playing for and supporting the same team, much like Jonny. I’ve heard SAF before say he’ll give players a chance, then there sold out of the blue.
when he supports the club and he is a good player it is obvious you do not let the player go. well those 3 points and he is a key player for sunderland there is no way fergie should let him go it is no brainer. United are still short of depth on the wide positions even when everyone is fit, only nani is our classy winger who can do something out of the ordinary if he picks up an injury united are in trouble out wide. Has valencia and park you know they are not going to really do any game changing moments.
But supporting the club and playing for them is not huge pressure, its pressure but if they are good players they will feel they can do the buisness for the club, its nothing compared to a player signed for a huge transfer fee now that is when the pressure is high
Of course there’s pressure on him, he’s a United fan and wants to do well for the club he supports. Park scored the winner against Liverpoo last season, scored the winner against wolves this season. You would say they’re game changing moments, wouldn’t you? Valencia stats stand up for themselves imo. Nani is like Ronaldo, he can produce magic moments, A great player in the making.
Scott is absolutely right when he says about glory supporters. If ya not from Manchester you ARE a glory supporter . So many times when i go to see united i get so embarrassed when i hear (supporters) with cockney accents and scottish accents. Its you people who are taking tickets from REAL supporters from manchester who come and watch there team instead of sitting there quietly and moaning when we dont win its a disgrace well said Scott
I agree but its the small games when united have to take games to sides united expect to beat when sometimes the players cant find a way through, like rangers at home when they literly parked the bus. Like last year blackburn away, or this year when it was so frustrating when united failed to beat shitty or villa and sunderland away. I do want some of the players to become the playground bully’s, where united most of the time beat the smaller sides home and away that is how united have won championships, becoming the playground bully again.
Hello fergie is the boss mate. I agree with willie. You don’t give park and certainly valencia enough credit. Valencia was one of our best and most effective players last season. Also his great performance at wembley in august. Park alone this season has scored five or six goals already. Both key players mate
FITB Don’t get me wrong mate, I hope Danny does get his chance, being a Salford lad, well I think it’s Salford he’s from. There’s nothing better than a local lad making it at he club he supports, but too many times down the years we’ve seen these players get talked up, and then they end up moving on.
Danny Welbeck had injury problems early on cos he started to have a growth spurt,The medical team had to manage when he was allowed to play.Almost every time he played for England he had injury problems. They did hope he wud grow to 6 foot 3.
Now when he was sent to Preston I think it was ,they felt he was ready,he started well,then got injured. Now on loan to sunderland, what u are seeing is a young man ,hugely talented,manchester native,fan of Manutd,idol is Giggs, having reached 6 foot 3,building his strength and will probaly bulk up when he can, a player who can play right or left midfeild,support striker or lead striker.
He is growing up well,a huge asset for us, he will be a huge player for us.
Jonny,Welbeck,Gibson,Cleverly,Chris,Fabio,Rafael,Nani,Anderson,Obertan,Bebe,Javier,Corry,Macheda and now Anders.
I had commented before that Fergie may achieve something extraordinary soon and I am not aware if any team had done so elsewhere,that is to bring about 11 to maybe 18 young players into the first team .
He is bringing these players in from 4 groups.
1) young kids thru the youth system like Welbeck.
2)young ones signed into the academy under 18s like Macheda.
3players into the reserves like Da silvas,Obertan.
4)Really good young players signed directly into the first team like Nani and Anderson and Chris.
Brilliant to see how many wil make it.
Sad but it was coming , Gary and Edwin possibily retiring at the end of this season,with Scholes and Ryan getting one more year. Fergie said no signings in January then goes and signs Anders.maybe cos they got the answer or close to it about Edwin. So maybe a few more signings to happen in January like Steven Defour .
The game with Blackpool would have been played in incredible weather and cold,they wud have been pumped up and they are riding a good crest in thier performances at this moment in time.
We may have been lucky here, theres no opening for a game till January. The weather will be better,our team will have more players back and playing well,a few new signings to help,knowing if we topped the group in CL and who how next opponents are,and possibily playing Blackpool when they least want it.
Our players must be chomping at the bit ,and Fergie dosent have to worry about rotation,so he can play the strongest team for this Midweek. It also helps prepare for next weeks games.
That Manutd were asked to takeover the stadium,that they were prepared to build it to 80k for us shows respect and thier desire to see us back over there.
Thank God ,we stayed at Old Trafford,our holy ground,the product of far sighted management back in the days, now expanded to 76k and cud possibly expanded to 90 k or as Fergie wants it 100k.
Wud the 60k plus fans come back if the debt is payed?
Lots of good things to look foward too.
King Eric – at times I dont give them enough credit I agree there, maybe because the way welbeck is devloping along with cleverly they would improve the united midfield has they are more talented. Now back onto my PS3 and playing one hard ass game which is pissing me off
FITB- Hello mate. What game? lol
I’m sick of people calling Valencia “one dimensional”…to me, he is one beast of a player, strong, fast, great crosser and plays for the team. Could be a “lifer” for us. “One dimensional” is becoming another fashionable cliche…RVN was one dimensional – he only scored goals. Becks was one-dimensional – just good crosses and free kicks, no real pace, no dribbles, couldnt play CF like CRonaldo…WTF???
Any idea when our Blackpool match is going to be rescheduled?
Morning everyone. Argh, with the cancelled game and all, it’s almost a week now that I have to stomach the West Ham performance.
I was wondering how much our roster could change this summer. If all sorts of reports are true, we could be seeing Edwn, Neville and the 2 Owens leave the club.
@Costas: If all sorts of reports are true, we are also going to see Shweinsteiger, Marin, Sanchez, Contrao, Xavi, Defour, Ninis, DeGea, Neuer, Diarra, Benzema et al playing for us – just messing..:D
Though, I do believe that VDS and Neville will call it a day…
~starved-of-footy
Well United have won the league and it’s a Madrid United CL final which I am looking forward too
Thank the Lord for Football Manager 2011
Wish me luck
Slow day at the office eh..scott? Please post some articles..its killing me not to see any new updates on the blog
just aside from this story the establishment were I frequent to watch the matches has encountered some “technical hitches” for last weeks match this occurs when the matches arent on the 2 companys that provide legitimate fee paying football the lad who runs the show was on the phone for best part of half an hour trying to sort it out .Is it me getting paranoid or a sky squeezing the life out of our only chance to catch a glimpse of our heroes and push yet more money in to the ever expanding coffers of those at the top of the game come the revoloution.
To Costas and Fergie_is…
As an Arsenal fan, I believe that Utd are favourites, our chances of winning the PL are still up for question – it was only a month ago that we were 7 POINTS behind Chelski. This is despite having some crucial injuries such as Vermaelen forcing Wenger to play 2 new to the PL centre halfs. Look at the state Utd get into without Vidic and ferdinand (and Chelski without Terry / Alex).
As for Arsenal season ticket prices – the media alwys fail to mention that every arsenal season ticket INCLUDES 6 cup games.
1 – 1 next Monday?
@Jeet
Lol, true that. Benzema? Nah, I’d rather give Danny W. a shot.
Unfortunately, it’s also my gut feeling telling me that these 4 could leave the club in the summer. It’s just how their situations are. Although Gaz will be a part of the club somehow. That’s the only certainity. Overall, it could be a summer clear out that the squad needs anyway imo. Add some promising new faces and it could be a mini rebuilding job that will give the team a fresh air about it.
@dakota best point of the last 2 days.scott a new story please.
SEPP BLATTER was asked: “Who is your favourite Qatar player?”
The FIFA president replied: “Well, it’s a toss-up between Eric Clapton and Jimi Hendrix.”
Singh
likely on 12th jan
Gotta love rio socking it to that little prick Jack Wilshire..
http://premierleagueupdates.blogspot.com/
@AIG
Hi mate. Sandwiched by the Liverpool FA cup game and the White Heart Lane game. Not the ideal date, but…
We do have the Valencia match tomorrow, dont we? This inactivity is killing me…
Good analysis & apologies if someone else has already pointed this out in the comments (I tried reading through them but gave up as they strayed off-topic & I’m not a Utd supporter) but I’m pretty sure Arsenal’s is the only season ticket price listed that includes FA Cup & Champions League games (the 1st 7 cup games are included per season) & that, as a strict comparison, working out the cost for just the league games would have given you a figure of around £860.48 for the season. This is still expensive but, compared to the 2 other London clubs, less than at Tottenham & only just higher than at Chelsea…
That little fucker Clishy calling us ManU.
Corea – you mean Nani’s lil bitch?
Jeet – yes, i guess Nani called him and had to say gunners have a chance to win the title in order to prevent him from crying.
Another fucker VanInjuryPersie also calling us ManU.
Interesting stats. I’d like to know what our attendances are from the gate though, rather than tickets sold – especially for the cup ties.
@corea
no offence but what is wrong with the word man u. here in nigeria it doesn`t mean anything wrong
as a matter of fact, man u is wat we knw as manchester united. and thats that.
hey scott,
pretty long time since RoM read….
what about RoM reads????????
plenty of news doing the rounds………
From manutd.com:
Training squad on Monday morning: Van der Sar, Kuszczak, Amos; Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, O’Shea, Smalling, Rafael, Fabio; Nani, Giggs, Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Gibson, Scholes, Park, Obertan, Bebe; Rooney, Berbatov, Owen, Chicharito, Macheda.
Scholes and Evra trained separately. Brown and Evans were absent. The reason is not known yet.
thanks costas for that information about training squad.
who are we expacting on that field tomorrow?
Costas & Others interested by historical data
Excellent data base website http://www.soccerbase.com
One point that catches the eye is that United have a better head to head record against every current PL team and that since the actual beginning of league football in England, in fact I have yet to find any team in the entire football league that betters us in that respect… Bloody impressive if you ask me!
@singh
i dont know really but i am thinking maybe next month considering champions league match and the year is almost over.
@asite
You are welcome. Haven’t thought about it really. The Arsenal game is 6 days after this, so my guess is that it will be a strong team. We have to finish first in the group. The draw will be a bit easier.
@Cedars
Cheers mate. I go there every now and then for my stats.
theboogeyman – I am playing demons souls, and have been playing it for hours and it is so hard I said fuck this game its insanly hard. It is like extreme mode on steroids
Yet another ABU comments that rate as high as a gem imo….
1 – Craig Burley & Andy Townsend, reason for Chelsea’s poor form is because they are missing Lampard, same due that said it was because they missed Essien and Terry as well. No mention whatsoever that Everton deserved their point at least.
2 – Same due, looks like Arsenal are now the main challengers for the champions….
3 – The champions have too much class and will come good…..
No mention of United, not even for a second as title contenders…..!
Again I will say this, it has become way over getting upset about but more of a regular laugh really….
Keep it up boys, you are becoming my favourite comedy show
morning what a boring weekend gotta say though chelsea look the worst of the top 5,unless theres a drastic improvement spurs can easily turn them over next week then they have us then arsenal away could end up with zero points and end up out of the top 4.thought that penalty was a little odd aswell.anelka pushed the ball to his right but made no movement towards it just ran straight into the goalie
utd gossip evans wasn’t training with the first team so unless he’s injured word is he’s been dropped and utds chief scout was at the wigan stoke game watching cleverly and apparantley shawcross.i guess when utd sold him a clause was put in his contract giving utd first dibs.
because sir alex wasn’t keen to let him go.
i like evans but as some of the lads have pointed out when your part of the first team age is irrelevant utd carn’t keep playing someone who keeps costing points and games maybe he needs some time away at a lower level to get his confidence back
Corea – many people don’t actually know this can be used as an insult. Even here in manchester you get the odd united fan refering to us as that now and again.
CedarsDevil – like i said yesterday we are always there. No need to mention it.
“Bad news for the premiership leaders Arsenal..”
Fucking Blackpool.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/2377/top-10/2010/11/28/2235602/top-10-eric-cantona-quotes-seagulls-water-carrier-terminator-and-
Newcastle sack Chris Hughton. Well done Mike Ashley, ya clown.
FITB – Question for you mate, I’ve a choice between COD black opps, or Assassins creed brotherhood, whats the better game?
Shocking at Newcastle, what a shambles……….. What do the fuck do these guys expect ffs?
Good luck Chris, you are a man I respected in the game
Hughton’s been shafted twice now. Once at Spurs and now this. What the fuck is it with fans in the North West. 3 shit teams and they expect success when they have a manager merry go round. Small time, small minded clubs. End of.
NRD CedarsDevil
He got them up at the first time of asking and there currently mid table, what else could anyone have done with that squad?
@ willierednut – Black Ops. Got both and its by far the better game. Online play and career mode is better.
Mike Ashley = biggest twat
And, just when you thought Ashley couldn’t possibly make himself even more unpopular with the Jawdies…
This calls for some blatent plagerism of that Villa banner from the other season – who’s gonna be their next messiah, Ant and Dec?
Sorry if this has already been mentioned!
According to Wikileaks, a Burma General was urged to bid $1 billion for United!
Perish the thought!
Yikes!
Hughton was sacked because he could only get a draw with Chelsea.
Cedars – Hello mate. You ok? Yeah keep those abu comments coming mate, they brighten up my day. Talkshite last night saying Chelsea will be back to their best once Fat Frank and Terry back. Err Didn’t Tiny Tears and Essien play on Saturday? Try playing with Carrick and Fletch at the back . Cunts.
The fucking idiocy of Newcastle to sack Hughton. Clowns.
And we all know which media darling will be offered the job don’t we? He got them releagted once, but apparently it wasn’t enough…
rio rio rio! wilshire sucking up now!
http://premierleagueupdates.blogspot.com/2010/12/rio-and-jack-wilshere-tweets-continued.html
It’s all going to pot as I see
Manchester United beat Real Madrid in the FM2011 CL final at Wembley
Ronaldo scored first – Rooney scored a hatrick
Anyone up for the same result next year
Re the Burmese “bid” for United,
Well at least we know we would have been saved by the good old FA’s” Fit and proper persons” rules.
Er…no wait….
Listening to some Newcastle fans on talksport, deluded springs to mind.
HM in purple what is a man to do
On Houghton – I think it’s a fucking disgrace – Newcastle were fucked beyond belief when they went down yet this man single handedly bought respect back to the club – and now being 11th in the premiership he’s out of a job because the owner is way too trigger happy to sack managers
These fucking one dimensional owners – what d they know about football – fuck all – fucking diabolical.
On United not be recognised as title favourites – it’s a fucking laugh to see the media shit themselves – they know what’s fucking coming and it begins with M for Manchester and ends with d for United
And Sir Alex will have the last laugh and I can have my kebabs in Greece – right Costas
On the basis he’s of good managerial stock it’s in his genes,were I appointing Newcastle’s new manager I would go for Fergie jnr.
Fergie junior is close to the sack at Preston, so that could happen. Ex players at United aren’t not having a great time atm, Keane, Darren Ferguson and sparky, but there’s always Brucie!
Football owner acts like an idiot shock!
I think most people reacting to this are doing so because he was a very decent chap, however if you scrutinise his record, he came back up with a team of PL underperformers who they couldn’t move on cos Newcastle didnt want to settle thier huge contracts and no one else was going to pay.
They have played well against Arsenal and Chelsea and where ok against us and yet against lower teams they have been truly shocking, this leads to the belief that the players can get up for the big games but can’t be arsed for the run of the mill fixtures and Hughton has been able to change this.
has not been able, I meant to say
willierednut – on the games pending on your taste. I am more of a medievel horror gamer, assasins creed brotherhood is my field so I will choose that game, well if you have played the first 2 keep going with this title. I have not played it yet but it is supposed to be one of the best games of the year. cod black ops I have not played either, get both really I suggest. But war games I have never really been a huge fan of
On the subject of Newcastle United , one must wander if Mike Ashley is a closet Sunderland or Middlesbrough fan.
Hughton is obviously one of the better younger managers around, and a damn fine man-manager to boot.
It is amazing what Hughton has done with Barton and Carroll. These are the kind of individuals that cause disruptions and yet they have been well handled by Hughton.
If I was a Newcastle United fan I would be aiming to kick Mike Ashley very hard up his fat ass while I was wearing a pair of steel capped boots.
I thought newcastle after relegation finally found a sense of reality, looks like they still have not been detoxed
FITB – Cheers mate. I think I’ll go with Assassins creed brotherhood, really enjoyed the last one.
willierednut – np do u have ps3 or xbox may add u on my playstation network. I loved asasins creed 2 so looking forward to the third film in 2012. But if you do have playstationtry demons souls for a challenge of a life time
third game I ment, third film what am I on about lol
Really really hope newcastle get relegated now after sacking hughton! what a joke of a club!!!
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=849798&sec=england&cc=5901
Is this news about Hargreaves hamstring new?? I watched his latest injury, but I thought it was just a pulled muscle and not a “complete tear”. WTF?? His contract expires at the end of the season, so I can’t imagine this is going to work out for him.
I’m a little scared at the overall possibility of losing Giggs, Scholes, VDS, Gary, OH, & MO at the end of the season. I know Fergie won’t let them all go at the same time but this isn’t good. I certainly cannot see Gibson making it either, but he isn’t a loss imo.
I think I’m going crazy with no United over the weekend…
fergie is the boss says:
I thought newcastle after relegation finally found a sense of reality, looks like they still have not been detoxed
Come on mate, Ashley bought the club as a vanity project and its blown up in his face, I also think despite my own misgivings about Hughton, he was popular amongst the fans and an egotist like Ashley (rememebr he wanted to wear a home strip in the away boardroom at Sunderland the prick) wouldn’t have been able to stomach it, no pun intended.
FITB – No mate, I’m using mobile broadband.
Also saw some disappointing news on Hargreaves. Apparently that hamstring injury is now escallated to a major tear. I really feel for the lad. He was a top player be this is not good.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6557366,00.html
seeing as we are talking about off topic stuff, I’m getting a 32g touch, I have about 800 songs and about 3 or 4 films I would put on, I cant justify the extra for the 64g one unless you guys tell me I should
As to Newcastle firing Hughton, might just be down to economics. Coming up on a year after hiring, there would have been incentives due if he was kept on. Wouldn’t wish that job on any friend. Heard O’Neill might be in line but feel he is to sensable for the post. Right, maybe Pardew then?
Thought Hughton did alright by himself under diabolical conditions.
mattbw7 – like lord suger says do not expect to make a return in football. It is his own fault for buying a club that was highly possible he would lose money.
Does anyone know if Scott is still alive. Not even updated his twitter for 2 days?? Lord Lucan??
Yeah it is odd isnt it
Scotts went longer than this not putting a thread up, it’s Christamas, he’s probably shopping lol.
@G the Red. Scott the RED was picked up by the KGB and is being held in Siberia in hopes that he will support the Russian 2018 bid. Seems the Kremlin thought our Scott was was one of theirs because of his handle. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA …..
Free Scott the Red!
I’ve heard he’s talking to City about a transfer
He’s been spotted in the trafford center, with Kia the pimp.
Citeh have a very long way to go before the become a big club
@mattbw7, Class mate, Won’t believe till I hear it from his own lips. Scott the Blue? That would just hurt too much……! Guess its the times eh? Still, only god knows. Ha ha ha ha….
Scott is doing a Rooney?
This is Fergie’s comment on MUTV:
“Yeah he has refused to post any more articles at ROM and said he wants to go to Blue Moon. I am disappointed with the boy”.
The Hargo situation might have been dealt its final blow I feel. Ferguson sounded really pessimistic about it.
Costas, Naw mate. Has to be some big club. Maybe he’s working on his spanish. Think the weather got to him in the end. Eh, still hard to take. Would be gutted. Scott El Blanco????
Come on the Villa!
@FletchTHEMAN
Lol. And remember how he kind of changed his mind about Mourinho towards the end. Hmm…
Maybe GettyImages got Scot in the end. Wikileaks guy could be running around for years but mess with free trade and copyrights laws at your own peril.
Maybe he has a social life? That’s absurd. The Barca wankfest continues, Messi, Xavi and Iniesta short listed for the world player of the year.
Is this a United blog or a fucking computer game blog??????
willie, FITB- Yeah apparently AC Brotherhood is brilliant, that’s what my brother says. I’ve got it, not yet started playing it cause of bloody exams lol. Demon’s souls doesn’t seem my kind of game, but I think I’ll pick it up if I see it here in India, it seems interesting. But I don’t wanna waste money on a game I can’t/won’t want to finish either.
Mattbw – Ha. Quality post mate.
“I’ve heard he’s talking to City about a transfer”
Looks like Ferguson may be giving up hope on Hargo:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/feedarticle/9394147
It was an El classico blog last week lol.
King Eric- Hello mate. Aw cheer up, there’s no new topics on to discuss lol.
Better we discuss games than argue over race and religion and shit like it’s happened before.
Right, I’m off to bed, night all!
SAF is confirming what most of us already knew about Hargreaves.
King Eric – At least we’re not talking about wrestling lol.
theboogeyman – Only messing mate. Not a “gamer” myself.
willierednut – Hi mate. Yeah true.
As for Hargreaves hate to be negative BUT just think this is the final nail. Fergie says he wants him to be at a level to play again. What level though? Gutted for the lad but time to move on I reckon. 2 and half years is a hell of a long time.
King Eric – Yeah mate, when this topic was discussed in the summer, I suggested we consider letting Hargreaves go and some of the lads thought we should persevere with him. As you say, it’s two years now, I think that’s long enough for any player, to get fit.
It just doesn’t make any sense to offer him a new contract, not even a pay-as-you-play contract. For the sake of Hargreaves’ mental well being I think he should just call it a day and not continue to put himself through hell.
That’s another thing, his mental state, must be hell thinking you’re close to a comeback, only to break down again.
Exactly, can you imagine what must have been going through his head after managing just 3 minutes against Wolves? Must have been torture.
Kash – Cheers mate.
willierednut – I also thought hargreaves sould be let go, but because of his contract it would be cheaper to let it wind down. Add the fact united do not want to put on one bad PR disaster on how they treat their players, roy keane would have added more fuel to the fire that the example united are doing how they let players go like hargreaves, that his view that players are meat are completly true.
can anyone imagine of scott became scott the blue, it would be more shocking than what rooney done LOL
Villa have threw up the white flag already.
theboogeyman – I picked up demon souls god of wars collection along with the third installment and dead rising 2 for under 20 quid each or just above. So got some bargains online with the games. I wont be buying assasins creed for atleast a phew months until the prices go down on the game maybe march time I will buy it
Is it because of friedel and that cunt warnock ALWAYS roll over for the fucking dippers and treat united like their annual cup fina?. I really do dislike villa.
Nah, it was just Gerrard Houllier repaying the dippers for 6 years of misery.
lol hearing dixon on skysports news now saying chelsea miss lampards 20 goals a season. Yea and united did not miss ronaldo’s 20 plus goals a season and still they just about won the league by 1 point and off course needed awful officals at stamford bridge
I am just waiting to see a City fan with a Scott the Blue tattoo on.
Ryan Babel? World class winger lol.
kuyt world class work horse lol
Guess the usual ABU circus will now be talking up the dippers as Chelsea’s main challengers
Good old Martin Jol has left Ajax, Newcastle?
CedarsDevil – what we have not seen yet is if united really have hit form. Has the big red machine’s boilers been turned well over into overdive
Willie
Nah mate, Alan Curbishley looks a certainty… Perhaps he will start calling them Newcastle U….
@willierednut
Or the buffet table, lol.
@FITB
I agree. Kane has been on fire for a while now.
Pardews the favorite Cedars, don’t know about Curbs.
Was only being sarcastic willie mate, besides those Newcastle lads would not understand a word Crubs says with his cockney accent!
I wouldn’t be surprised if Steve Bruce went.
Costas – yea landed about that he is main eventing again, matter if his matches are average, he aint the masked demon of 1998 but atleast he has put that 1 day title reign to bed.
Has for united, all uniteds rivals are all waiting and hoping the rovers game is not a one off. Maybe rooney berbatov and nani are the new holy trinity. But I think we have turned a corner, especially that our spine has structure again like VDS ferdinand vidic carrick fletcher rooney berbatov is there a better spine in the premiership than this spine
@ willierednut
Has he? Hadn’t heard that. Surely Martin Jol’s too big for Newcastle, he could have a pick of far bigger clubs I would have thought.
Regarding rumours surrounding our Scott, inside information tells me he has been offered a role with the Russian WC committee
bchilds – It’s just a rumor atm mate.
Goodnight Villa.
willie
They have been so poor they made Lucas look great!
It just shows how poor United were in the second half against Villa, they haven’t played since that game.
It has been the case over the years, every team’s game against United is their cup final
wow if it is not united most teams do not care, that puts the shitty myth safely to bed who is bigger
Too many kids in villa’s side atm, you need a blend of youth and experience in any team. Whats happened to Ireland? He looks like a rabbit caught in the head lights.
willierednut – maybe he has grandma on his mind, since he is worried about her lol
Willie
Never really rated Ireland, he had a good season with shitty but that was it really…
FITB
Nice one mate, LOL
Yeah, that was weird thing with his granny lol. @ CedarsDdevil I think he had a few good seasons mate, but he’s lost his way since he moved to Villa.
No matter how crap they play against teams not named United, we should be putting Villa and the rest of the cup final teams through the sword. It has pissed me off how good we’ve made Villa look against us in recent years.
Villa are in trouble this season, just makes getting rid of O’Neill all the more bemusing. I wouldn’t have O’Neill at OT, but he had them in the top 6 for 3 seasons on the trot.
I think ireland under a good manager is has good has cahill. He can play in that hole in a 451 he will score a phew goals, but his mentallty and terrible attitude has ruined his career. Good player but shocking attitude
Willie
He was no where to be seen last season at shitty, but fair enough I would agree that he is a half decent player but nothing to sing about really…..
Costas
Cheer up mate, they have not beaten us at their place since, was it 1996?
95, 3 1 they beat us and a certain Yorke scored for Villa. We done the double that season, with our kids that Hansen said were no good.
Willie
To be fair they have had almost half their team out with injuries, I doubt very much that even with MO they could have done any better
Thanks for the memory willie, yes it was the 95/96 season with a certain Beckham scoring the consolation on the day
@Cedars
95. It’s just frustrating because we used to get 6 points from teams like Villa and EVerton quite often. And the defeat from Villa at OT last year was a real kick to the teeth. Oh well. At least we beat them last season when it was an actual cup final…
CedarsDevil – Yeah, Becks scored a beauty that day and we actually played well, the score line flattered Villa.
has anyone noticed united have not won at villa park and goodison since the 2007/08 season
Willie
That commentary from Martin Tyler still rings in my ears from that season (FA Cup final)
‘And it comes back to Cantonaaaa, you just could not write this script’
CedarsDevil – The best thing about that final, I was watching it with a Liverpool fan. His face when the king scored was priceless lol.
@FITB
Haven’t won at Villa Park, Goodison Park, Craven Cottage and Anfield since that season.
still for me nothing beats the game when united nicked the game against the scousers 2 1 in the fa cup in the 1998/99 season. Priceless, and what made it sweater my mates Bday was that day and she was a liverpool fan
Costas – true but usually we take the points at those 2 grounds every season while at anfield it is up and down, and without those 2 victorys we would not be champions that year along with anfield. The reason why united have not won at those 2 grounds is no ferdinand and vidic. You can guarentee torres will be fit for that game
Costas & FITB
Enough with conspiracy theories already lads! LOL Many of those mentioned teams have not won at OT for centuries !!
Willie
You must have given that pool fan a ‘nice’ time I bet! LOL
CedarsDevil – remember fergie’s comments in 1996 what he said about forest newcastle game before keegans famous rant I WILL LUVE IT
@FITB
Craven Cottage should also be straightforward I feel. We’ve made a mess of things there. As for the other 2, Rio and Vidic played both games in 08-09, but we drew both of them. In both games, our problems were at the other end. Everton should have been 2,3 down before Felaini equalised and the Villa Park game was a boring 0-0 draw. We only created a few half chances in the entire game. I just hope that our away form picks up from now on. Because we might not have won those games in 08-09, but we won almost all the other away games.
@Cedars
Lol, Villa were the ones that hadn’t won at OT in centuries and that ended last season. Everton haven’t won since 92, Liverpool since 09 and Fulham since 03. The last one was a WTF game if I ever saw one. We conceded goals from players like Lee Clark and Inamoto.Ugh.
Costas – oh yea craven cotage another ground united have not won since the 2007/08 season. Like I said the premiership is there for the taken, united should have won the league last year and united can easily storm the league if united improve their away record because chelsea arsenal are just average, united have not been great shakes but united do have the best pound for pound spine in the premiership
We’ve lost the last two at anfield, but the two games before that, were smash and grab wins, with O’Shea scoring in injury time and Tevez getting the winner, just before half time.
FITB
Who can forget that rant by Keegan mate, its a classic, just goes to show how strong our Fergie is… Mentally destroyed managers over the years… remember Rafa with his ‘documents’?
Costas
Just goes to show, we are not perfect after all! But as near to it as any team can be mate! lol
willierednut – I thought united at times outclassed liverpool in that game in dec 2007 they were always in control, and lady boy was in rio’s pocket
FITB – At times we did, but the first half I remember Edwin flapping a few times and Rio saving his bacon, by clearing off the line. Rooney missed a sitter in the second half, to make the game more comfortable.
yea and the good old days of hargreaves and anderson in CM
Nicely researched, kudos. One point though, as a Chelsea fan may I add that our European attendances appear lower due to UEFA restrictions. Not sure if you have the same at Old Trafford, but due to safety regulations certain parts of our stands have to be closed off (e.g. Front rows of Matthew Harding, due to increased TV Trucks blocking exits) etc which means in actual fact we effectively have sold out all our European games. And yeah, City are obviously smaller…just a wind up thing we Cockneys have though the sad City fans actually believe it lol.
jed – Front 3 rows at OT shut on European nights.
Yep which would explain why both OT and SB have 2-4% empty in Europe, whereas Arsenal have higher because their stadium doesn’t have the same restriction
Scott says:
Despite the fact that more fans have come to watch United play than City every single season since 1947, long before the glory supporters from outside of Manchester
Ashley says:
Scott is absolutely right when he says about glory supporters. If ya not from Manchester you ARE a glory supporter . So many times when i go to see united i get so embarrassed when i hear (supporters) with cockney accents and scottish accents. Its you people who are taking tickets from REAL supporters from manchester who come and watch there team instead of sitting there quietly and moaning when we dont win its a disgrace well said Scott
And others-
Here’s my beef-
I’ve enjoyed reading the articles on this site and, to date, I’ve not made a comment, but I just couldn’t resist after reading some of the Xenophobic rubbish that’s been written on this one item alone.
Firstly: I have to say that it was a very good article bar the rubbish written in the line marked above.
Yes I have to admit I’m one of those glory-hunters mentioned. I live in Ireland and I’ve supported United since I was 8 yrs old. The year after I started supporting we went down into the old second division courtesy of Law’s(God) back-heeled goal. But that still didn’t stop me supporting the team that I love. I’ve had to suffer decades of slagging from my Arsenal, Liverpool, Leeds, mates…especially the Liverpool ones during the 70s and 80s…but take it I did because in my heart I knew that I supported the best team in the world.
I get over to Old Trafford as much as I can afford, wish it could be a lot more often but them’s the breaks when you live so far away. To the prat(Ashley) above, I pick you but it could have been any one of the other morons with similar ideas of what a real United supported is.
Beckham – was from London. Law- was from Scotland. Keane – was from Ireland. Giggs – is from Wales. Cantona – was French. I could go on and on and on but cretinous brains can only deal with little bites of information at a time, so I’ll stop here mate.
To sum up: I love and support United. Call me a Glory-hunter if you like…but I did it when we were winning nothing! As far as I’m concerned anyone who looks down on other United supporters, just because they don’t live in the city, are twats of the highest order, and probably borderline racists.
My advice: Get over yourselves, and grow up! All big football teams are global phenomenas that is the nature of the business. So either grow with the club or pi*s off and support Citeh.
Rant over…
Rant over…
@Unitedtothecore: Just came in and saw yr comments,WELL SAID. As my name tells u ,I am from Malaysia. So i guess we are glory hunters to huh?
By the way we Malaysians are diverse in religion and race and ethicity,one thing that brings us together is sports. I could have a conversation with any fellow Malaysian who is a Manchester United supporter,there a bond there . Plenty of reasons to support Manutd,cud be they studied in England,thier parents took them to Old Trafford, they married and worked in UK, or like me when I started it was just liking football,for me I was a hockey player, i remember football cards and ferocious arguments on our local clubs and international football.how we would try to do some of the stuff we saw in games we played. Malaysians were seeing English,Spanish, Italian soccer
but most liked English stlye of football. No one felt they had to justify liking any club.they supported thier local club and the clubs like Manutd or Barca or AC milan for example .
When live games and internet became staple diet for us ,there was an explosion of support especially from the younger generations, they wud watch and go out to try what they saw,trying to be like thier heroes.
Then when they see arses like u guys saying they are glory hunters ,WTF IS WRONG WITH U RACISTS PIGS?
Guys like Redscot and some others, we seem to have a good banter going ,u guys feel the same?
UNITED TO THE CORE: To sum up: I love and support United. Call me a Glory-hunter if you like…but I did it when we were winning nothing! As far as I’m concerned anyone who looks down on other United supporters, just because they don’t live in the city, are twats of the highest order, and probably borderline racists.
FFS – are you taking the piss with hyperbole? Borderline racists? Are you sure you’re not a div on a wind up? If not I suggest you move your support over to the Wastelands as you seem to have the same distorted grasp on reality as the blue half of this city, or perhaps start following the dippers – you seem to have the same talent for hysteria as those down the East Lancs Rd.
Charlton’s Comb-over:
Is that it? Not really sure what point you’re trying to make here besides telling me to go and support another team. Which, to be fair, is not much of a retort.
Here’s a better suggestion…IF…you agree with the small minority of fans who spread this divisive tripe, and cannot bear hearing strange voices in the crowd during matches, even though they all support United. Then why don’t you take your own advice and take all your bile-filled mates with you.
Of course we’ll miss you initially…but in time, I’m sure, we’ll get over it.
It’s ironic really…it seems some United supporters resent other United supporters for not being from Manchester, while Man City fans don’t consider you real Mancunians anyway.
Oh dear…
Yeah and most City fans consider your type to be glory supporters, so I’m not sure why you’d bring them and their logic into anything. And, are you seriously trying to get a rise out of me on the ‘your not really in Manchester’ thing? Really? What’s next on your list of City-esque wind-ups? Calling me a Munich perhaps?
Me, I don’t give a flying fuck where your from as long as your not the sort of day-tripper who stands up to film every free kick and throw in because then you’d just be one of those twats who bollocks up my view of the game. My point to you was that your rant was more than a little hysterical – eg accusing people of being borderline racist because you don’t support your local team.
Rushed that last bit meant to say: My point to you was that your rant was more than a little hysterical – eg accusing people of being borderline racist because they don’t like the fact you don’t support your local team.
Find the arguments about glory hunting reasonably interesting, even though it isn’t really relevant to the topic in the first place, I read a lot on here, but here I feel I should give my two cents.
It’s a bit rash to assume someone is a glory hunter just because they support a team outside where they are from or supporting them purely on success (I believe this is worse). There could be other factors. With me, I was born in London – about 3 miles away from Wembley Stadium. But I’m a United fan, due to being raised as one. Although my dad didn’t follow football (he came over from India in the 60′s) my older brother (by 14 years), from Oldham did. As a result I ended up following and supporting United through him, unaware of who my local clubs actually were at the time – (qpr, brentford, watford, chelsea, fulham). However “changing support” has never once come across my mind, even if United were struggling though the 90′s-present day, I’m sure this would be the case.
Family links with clubs is, in my opinion, a perfectly valid reason as to why you would support a club even if you are not from the area. One of my mates is a PNE fan from Gloucestershire, one a Southampton fan from Coventry.
Regardless of what people think and the abuse I get, I believe I have every right to support United without feeling like a twat for not supporting a local club. I’m looking for a Graduate job in Manchester too, everytime I visited Manchester when I was younger I thoroughly enjoyed going and was always excited to go.
(btw, I’m sure some people already know, but John Terry was a United fan
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Re: …says: Had your brother never heard of the latics????
Charlton’s Comb-over says:
Yeah and most City fans consider your type to be glory supporters,
I don’t give a f*ck what City fans call us, nor any other team’s supporters for that matter…but I do get more than mildly pissed off when fellow United supports do it because it’s a stab in the back! That’s right it’s a fuc*ing stab in the back!
I’ll give you the examples that I quoted again because you obviously didn’t read it.
Ashley says:
Scott is absolutely right when he says about glory supporters. If ya not from Manchester you ARE a glory supporter . So many times when i go to see united i get so embarrassed when i hear (supporters) with cockney accents and scottish accents. Its you people who are taking tickets from REAL supporters from manchester who come and watch there team instead of sitting there quietly and moaning when we dont win its a disgrace well said Scott
And others-
Correct me if I’m wrong here, but as far as I know “scottish accent” would lend you to believe this guy is talking about Scottish people thereby defining them by race. The reason I said it was borderline is because he only said that the sounds of the accents embarrass him. Clear now?
It’s the thin edge of a giant divisive wedge.
And the next time someone blocks your view…take a deep breath…and stop being so, how did you put it,…hysterical.
United is, and has always been, about inclusion, NOT exclusion.
Unitedtothecore – fucking hilarious, keep them coming.
“Correct me if I’m wrong here, but as far as I know “scottish accent” would lend you to believe this guy is talking about Scottish people thereby defining them by race” – hahaha. Absolutely brilliant. Erm no, it would lead me to believe that he identified them as being from Scotland by their accent. Being Scottish is a nationality, not a race by the way.
And now you’re accusing me of being hysterical? This from the man whose just posted: ” don’t give a f*ck what City fans call us, nor any other team’s supporters for that matter…but I do get more than mildly pissed off when fellow United supports do it because it’s a stab in the back! That’s right it’s a fuc*ing stab in the back!”. Are you attempting some sort of ironic humour here or something?
Re: Charlton’s Comb-over:
Hahaha
I can understand its frustrating for randoms to turn up at O.T and know nothing about football or United, its extremely annoying down here when “fans” are slagging the team off when things aren’t going right and have to put up with their bullshit.
Also to be fair, there’s plenty of Scouse fans here that have no affiliation with the city whatsoever, I’ve met Arsenal fans who aren’t from London or North London in particular, Chelsea fans from Reading. United get a lot of stick for it but the top teams have them. I’m sure something like this has been said before.
…says:
I agree, that’s the way modern football is these days. Although at Utd it tends to go back to 1958 and Munich which generated huge sympathy and interest in the club from all over the country.
You’re right, the scousers have a huge following in Norway and even the berties have a huge following in erm… Stockport.
I should imagine Essex, Kent & Herts etc are full of fans of the London clubs mainly through family links – ie people moving out of London to more suburban areas and obviously maintaining their support for their original club rather than Billaricky FC or whatever other Essex footballing giants they have down there.
Charlton’s Comb-over says:
Hahahaha
It’s like arguing with child…oh hang on. What age are you?
Unitedtothecore: Yet another brilliant post from the master of irony – well done you.
Charlton’s Comb-over says:
Unitedtothecore: Yet another brilliant post from the master of irony – well done you.
Aw…come on. Dont feel bad. I’m sorry…ok. Lets be mates…really.
Re:Charlton’s Comb-over
Yeah the surrounding counties are generally fans of the London clubs
Essex – mainly Arsenal
Herts – Arsenal/Spurs if they’re not Watford fans
Kent – I’m not too sure
An odd one I had in mind was my mate – a Liverpool fan from Harrow..why is he a Scouse fan? Because he liked the colour red when he was younger, hahaha. That’s no joke.
…says – he applied that logic and still picked them over the much more local Arsenal? Call me a cynic, but if he’s in his late 20s/30s, it’s prob more to with who was top of the league when he was a kid. Hope he’s now enjoying his Thursday night’s on channel 5.
Unitedtothecore – fair dos. But not because I’m feeling bad, instead it’s because I’m concerned about your blood pressure
Charlton’s Comb-over says:
Haha – fair enough.
And in this spirit is togetherness – dare I say even, Unitedness – I hereby promise to reduce my filming of corners and free kicks by…50% and also to hold my breath so that my foul accent is not too much of an embarrassment to my fellow United supporters. End of.
Now let’s get to a pub.
Make it 75% and we have a deal. I am raising a glass as soon as stop typing.
60% – and I’ll get the first round.
Has anyone noticed how much our attendances are falling, you could chose to believe the stadium announcer who said there was 74k in OT last night but is anyone buying this?
Matt – no, we’re not buying it & we were having this conversation on Tuesday night. In fact, there’s been a fair few occasions when they’ve announced the attendance and the ground looks like they’re are less people in it than claimed. I think they go off tickets sold rather than the gate.
Charlton’s Comb-over
I guess I missed that, didnt come on-line after getting home from the game, it ain’t a one off though is it, also there where rumours of bus loads of kids offered cheap tickets I think RI had something about in the fanzine, what was noticable was the high pitched UTD UTD chants coming from the east stand I think, are they getting desperate?
Matt – Sorry I meant we were having that conversation at OT – not sure whether it was discussed on here.
There’s been loads of kids there for the cup games a lot recently and they must sit them in the east stand – nice to see them generating a bit of noise in that stand if am honest – lol.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a whiff of desperation in this. They must be filling the ground with kids to keep attendances up because of the amount of reds who jacked in their STs (because of the Glazers’ ACS in lots of cases) and because the supporters clubs from up and down the country who used to take these tickets for the cup ties have now have, in a lot of cases, disbanded as the ASC meant they could no longer get tickets in the same numbers.
Or, we could be imagining all this because according to Paul H – everything’s fine. I’m thinking of moving to his stand, or at least asking to borrow his rose tinted glasses.
Charltons Comb Over, hey there where even gaps where I sit (stand) in the stretty, not many but they where there, I suppose in essence I shouldnt have a go at kids having a great day out though i agree it does smack of desperation, not sure its all down to the Glazers I’m sure some of it is to do with the economy and I wouldnt be surprised if Rooney hasnt had an effect in terms of if he doesn’t give a fuck why should they.
Im sure we’ll be full for the arse, god how bad does that sound!