The FA charged Wayne Rooney with “using offensive, insulting or abusive language” and banned him for two games.
Last weekend, RoM (as well as many others) wrote to the FA with examples of other players guilty of “using offensive, insulting or abusive language”.
In their response, they said: The FA takes a dim view of any foul and abusive language used at football matches. The clear distinction to be made in the Wayne Rooney case is that the language used was directed specifically at a television camera lens, whilst clearly audible to the viewing public.
I e-mailed them back asking where in Law 12 does it make the distinction between using abusive language directly or indirectly at a television camera lens. Unsurprisingly, five days later, they have yet to answer this question.
So, we carry on…
April 16th 2011
8. Player: Dimitar Berbatov
Game: City vs United
Time: 15 minutes
Shouted “fuck” (followed by something in Bulgarian) after missing the target.
April 16th 2011
9. Player: Mario Balotelli
Game: City vs United
Time: 49 minutes
Said ʺmavafanculo maʺ (go fuck yourself/fuck off) after referee awarded goal kick instead of a corner.
April 16th 2011
10. Player: Chris Brunt
Game: West Brom vs Chelsea
Time: 84 minutes
Shouted “fuck off” after striking a freekick wide.
April 17th 2011
11. Player: Andy Carroll
Game: Arsenal vs Liverpool
Time: 13 minutes
Repeatedly shouted “fuck off” to the referee’s assistant after a freekick was awarded against him. Told the referee to “fuck off” again on 24 minutes.
April 17th 2011
11. Player: Martin Skrtel
Game: Arsenal vs Liverpool
Time: 32 minutes
Said “it wasn’t a fucking foul” to the referee after he conceded a freekick for a challenge on Eboue.
April 17th 2011
12. Player: Jack Robinson
Game: Arsenal vs Liverpool
Time: 94 minutes
The referee’s assistant awarded a corner and not a goalkick, so Robinson told him to fuck off.
Whilst not a player, Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish told Arsene Wenger to “fuck off” in clear view of the camera at the end of the game.
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Hi,
Last weekend I wrote to inform you Jermaine Beckford, Peter Crouch, Matthew Etherington, Joey Barton, Nile Ranger and Charlie Adam were guilty of breaking Law 12, by “using offensive, insulting or abusive language” in their matches and it was seen on the television. This offence is worthy of a red card according to the Law yet none of these players were even cautioned by the referee, despite some of the players directing their abusive language at the referee or referee’s assistant.
Video footage was used to ban Wayne Rooney for two games and so it was disappointing that the FA chose not to use video footage to retrospectively punish any of the players mentioned above, despite them being brought to the FA’s attention.
In the response I got from the FA I was told “the clear distinction to be made in the Wayne Rooney case is that the language used was directed specifically at a television camera lens, whilst clearly audible to the viewing public.” I have looked at Law 12 and it makes no reference to a television camera lens, let alone a harsher punishment being deserved for directing foul and abusive language at a camera lens.
Regardless, if “using offensive, insulting or abusive language” is worthy of a red card, why do players who are guilty of this rarely, if ever, get sent off?
This weekend, Dimitar Berbatov was clearly seen shouting “f*ck” on 15 minutes in the Manchester derby. On 49 minutes in the same game, Mario Balotelli shouted “mavafanculo ma” (“f*ck off”) after the referee awarded a goal kick instead of a corner.
Chris Brunt was clearly seen shouting “f*ck off” after striking a freekick wide on 84 minutes against Chelsea.
In the Arsenal vs Liverpool game, Andy Carroll told the referee to “f*ck off” after a freekick was awarded against him on 13 minutes. He told the referee to “f*ck off” again on 24 minutes. In the same game, Martin Skrtel shouted “it wasn’t a f*cking foul” at the referee after conceding a freekick for a challenge on Eboue on 32 minutes.
Lee Mason claimed that he would have sent Wayne Rooney off had he heard him swearing, which lead to Rooney’s charge and two match ban. We have a case of glaring double standards given how many players have used abusive language, but not only that, directly at the referee, but haven’t been sent off. Is Mason the only referee who follows Law 12? Too many other referee’s are clearly undermining the Respect campaign by not punishing players the way Rooney was. Why is this? Now that these occasions have been pointed out to the FA, shouldn’t they follow these with retrospective punishments, just as was done to Rooney?
By only punishing one player retrospectively for “using offensive, insulting or abusive language” the FA cannot expect fans, players or managers to take their Respect campaign seriously, as it appears the FA are not taking it seriously themselves. Did the FA make a mistake in banning Rooney if they are not prepared to punish any other player for breaking the same Law?
Thanks,
Scott
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fuck I’m gone for 3 games
As I just mentioned to you on twitter there was a whole bunch of swear words coming through my television set when arsenal took a corner in the 78th minute or so
start writing to the football ombudsman if your emails aren’t being answered. See what they might be able to do.
http://www.theifo.co.uk/index.html
Epic case taking by STR!
Expect FA to stop reading our mails now.
gone the way of g&g
Ban them all!
This is what I said on twitter 5 minutes ago:
Have Liverpool decided to open their legs late in the game, so no one gets suspicious?
Small club. Smaller than City.
if only caragher never got injured
Gasp . oh no he didn’t
Can you believe this shit at the Emirates, its priceless
Yes……..Arsenal draw. 6 to go.6 ahead
don’t belive i’m saying this. Kuyt you beauty
Only stuck it on for last 5 minutes commentary said in RE: some dippers going for win some for the draw. Seconds later penalty l’arse looks like they were going to throw the game. Over to us on Tuesday.
Haha! Le Arse concede a penalty on the last kick of the match!
WAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHAAHAHAHH!!!
I was about to type this was the worst week, but fuck me “Football bloody hell!!!”.
Thanks Liverpool.
dalglish to wenger on camera ‘oh piss off, oh fuck off’ ON CAMERA.
ON FUCKING CAMERA, HEARD BY VIEWIERS
Last night don’t matter no more!!!! THIS has given me sooooo much joy! WHAT JOY!
hahahahah! oh my life, what a finish
Wait a minute. Arsenal didn’t win?
this has seriously helped my mood! number 19 is all that matters
spoke 2 soon SO GOD DAMN LANDED. TY liverpool and I said 2 my mates liverpool would ley down and die
HA ha ha I have never laguhed so hard in my life lol Only in Arsenal lol
no they didn’t costas! last second kuyt pen. 101st minute!
the looks on their faces makes me 4get all my worries
Cheers Liverpool……looked like a bit of a dive but i’ll take that!
fantastic!!!!!!
There is a god! and he is a red devil sometimes!
Fa Cup? dont remember it..
Strange feelings, slightly dirty but happy when Liverpool scored. Come on 19
I think that’s only the second time I’ve seen a game hit 100 minutes without overtime. I cannot believe my eyes. Never thought I’d root for poo but whatever. Lots of happy thoughts right now…
Love that ref! how brave to award pen, at that time, at the emirates!! Mind you, thought it was more of a pen that the one Arsenal got
no gerrard playing to slip van persie in with a perfectly weighted through-ball = liverpool help United get no. 19
Robinson said “Fuck Off” when the linesman gave a corner towards the last minutes
HAHAHAHA. Oh, god. That was unbelievable. This made my day.
Now, lets do the job against Newcastle.
Bottlers, couldnt even hold on. LMAO. Great day
Hahaha, that was fucking epic
Atleast they didnt bottle it like last year..
FUCK SWEAR WATCH FOR NOW!!!! IT’S ALL ABOUT LIVERPOOL!!! HAHAHAHAHA THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH DIRK KUYT. I NEVER THOIUGHT I WOULD EVER SAY IT BUT THANK YOU LIVERPOOL HAHAHAA I LOVE YOU!!!! KUYT I LOVE YOU!!!! ( note all this is just for one hour or so then we’re back to being enemies). He who laughs last laughs best. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
AAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahahaahahahahdaiuhfhiewufhwijhfwoqifh
FUCKIN ACE.
Check out Wenger on the pitch having a go at the ref.
There IS a god!
great result, on the subject of swearwatch, surely dalglish is guilty – down the camera that was. let’s see fa. let’s see.
#19
I turned it off when l’arse scored the penalty. I can’t believe whats happened.
That is so fucking funny, The Arse 1-1, Wenger and Dalglish gesturing at each other after the whistle, refusing to shake hands … Whinger Wenger being a sore loser again … all we have to do is hold our nerve and number 19 is ours!!!
@McQueen
Cheers mate! Can’t believe it. I was calling Liverpool whores to anyone that would listen,lol. Brilliant. Thanks scousers. Now we can even afford to lose the Arsenal and Chelsea games. And things could get worse for the bottlers this week.
The whole Arsneal team and fans are going to have to see psychologists
HAHAHAHAHA HAHA ha What a day….That’s why I love football.
Gutted Arsenal won…..thanks Liverpool! You buckled just when we need you to do us a favour
Costas – I aint getting carried away yet, remember the 2007/08 season, when chelsea drew 1 1 with wigan. And we almost threw it away, drawing with rovers by the skin of the teeth and losing 2 1 to chelsea
So…what the fuck?
I will be honest, I wanted Arsenal to win this so we can properly settle this at the Emirates. At this rate, those idiotic ABUs are going to say that we are getting the title ‘by default’.
On the other hand, Stoke City turned up the style huh. I hope they can do it against Shitty…
@NBI Red Onion
You made the same mistake I did mate, turned the game off early and missed the equaliser!
NBI red Onion: No one has ever failed quite as much as you just did.
@ NBI Red Onion
Are you kidding me?
I have been frowning for the last 23hours, but I have a HUGE cheshire cat type grin on my face now.
so really the job aint done yet, newcastle rovers arsenal are gonna be tough.And chelsea will be on a mission to get revenge, so I will see how we do against newcastle first has its 1 game at a time for me
lol NBI red onion – turn the tv back on mate
I honestly thought it was Over. It HAD to be over but NO. Arsenal were foolish enough to give away near penalty but Eboue wasn’t done he really wanted to help us today and THERE IT WAS!!! PENALTY LOLLLL. Fabregas dive cancelled out by Lucas dive. LOVING THIS RIGHT NOW. I was laughed at yesterday and now i’m laughing. God is indeed wonderful. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
We MUST win at Newcastle. MUST. COME ON UNITED!!! WE ARE ALMOST THERE!!!!
NBI Red Onion…….lol……….look above mate
I thought Liverpool would get a draw. 6 in front, now for Newcastle. Come on ye Spurs! ps Thank you Dirk Kuyt YSB
Oh man. Gotta feel bad for Arsenal, just imagine they thought they were back in the title race, only for their hopes and dreams to be snatched away 4 minutes later. But then again, Naaaaaaaaah. Hate those fuckers, and that cunt Piers Morgan hasnt dont himself any favours, with all his gloating on Twitter, yesterday after united lost to City.
This feels great! I was laughing my head off, when I heard Liverpool got a penalty, was watching the game, then switched to the radio towards the end. Brilliant stuff. Well done Liverpool.
Cant wait for MOTD.
STR, also Darren Bent was seen saying “fuck” 5th minute in the game between aston villa and west ham
Neva imagined l’d say l love liverpool……..l blame the dramatic end to the game
anyone else very glad stevie me wasn’t on to take that pen??
@ Scott
I see your point, but I think there is a distinction between swearing / swearing into a camera / swearing at a referee.
I agree players swear all the time, but I think what Rooney did in swearing deliberately into a camera lenz is worse than just swearing – I also think swearing at the referee is not on.
At the end of the day if you take your kid to a match you know they will be exposed to foul language and abusive conduct. However, if you are watching a match on TV with your kids the ydon’t normally hear that. What Rooney did was swear at a camera in a way that a kid watching at home – and the biggest audience is a TV audience – heard him loud and clear.
It’s a fine distinction but it is a distinction. Drogba also got banned for abusing the ref into a camera if I recall. Players do need to understand they have to voice their frustration in a proper manner to the media audience.
This does not mean I do not think the FA lack consistency, I do think the sanction was harsh, I just agree what Rooney did was worse than just swearing in the course of a game.
@Dimitar Berbatov is King … first of all, who gives a fuck what the ABUs say? Doesn’t matter what happens, they’ll always have something to say anyway, they’ll always find some excuse to say we didn’t really deserve it. Secondly, the league doesn’t lie. You can win a cup competition “by default”. But you cannot win a home/away league competition that way. What happens in these last few matches is only significant (or not significant) because of what happened in every match earlier in the season, for both teams. The bottom line is that after 32 games, we have been 6 points better than Le Arse. If we can crack on and win, we will have been better than them over the season. End of.
I never expected Liverpool to do us a favour, I switched off after Arsenal’s pen, then check the internet and found out about the draw, fantastic.
This should lift the players, the FA Cup has gone and the way Stoke played, I doubt City will get the Cup, but the most important game now is Tues, win at Newcastle and the title I think is ours!
Thanks guys – apologies !!!!!- I was so annoyed when Arsenal scored I switched off.
Apologies for once liverpool, you did us a favour! That has made my day. I can de-focus now from reflecting on swearing in matched and enjoy a beer.
Anyone else hear Dalglish tell Wenger to piss off then fuck off… Cant wait to see the FA’s response.
By the way, nice letter Scott.
I can’t bring myself to cheer for the dippers but I did laugh my fucking socks off at Le Arse drawing. what the fuck! As they say: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Swear watch update- Dalglish tells Wenger to fuck off at the end. My children knew what he said as I repeated it multiple times loudly. My wife has already handed down a ban. Hope the FA are as hard on Dalglish!
Well well well, keep your heads boys and the title is ours, yesterday is forgotten.
the truth – Ya what? Feel sorry for Arsenal? No, I don’t feel sorry for them. Not one bit.
StretfordEnd Ole – same I refused to look at the scores, way 2 nervous. Fergie must be brave to sit through that game
Yesterday is history. There’s a 19th title to be won. And possibly, another European cup.
willierednut – same, has soon has arsenal do anything good they think they are the bees knees. Hearing daglish he must be the hardest man to understand lols
LOL, at the Arsenal fans leaving before the final whistle. Total goons. Hahah, they will be in for a big shock when they tune into MOTD.
And willierednut
Oh come on. That was SAD. LOL.
@unitedyankee … yeah, but what dalglish said on the sidelines after the match wouldn’t be covered by Law 12. That applies only to players, and only during the match.
@mattbw7 … yep, need to keep our heads
That was one hell of a game.I was jumping up and down when ref blows for pool spot kick.. Btw lets hope stoke finish citeh off
2 game touchline ban for dalglish for swearing at wenger! how funny was that last min! bring on newcastle win that and sure arsenal will bottle it away to spurs on wed! united forever!
Whilst not a player, Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish told Arsene Wenger to “fuck off” in clear view of the camera at the end of the game.
Love it!
Interesting hearing the Arsenal fans in the crowd as time started to run out. “wtf was that”, etc and groans every time the scousers came away with the ball. Then the ref awards the penalty and it’s all, “we lav orse new, we do”. Fuck off, do you fuck. You show zero love for your pansy bunch of bottlers. Very entertaining stuff from the emirates today (for once). The football was shit though. Love your team.
did anyone else hear kenny tell whinger to piss off after the final whistle. it was clearly audable on sky sports warping the minds of poor little children!!
If Park scored and said to a camera “what fucking what” in korean, would he be suspended?
It wouldnt cause any offence what so ever to people watching the game, but it is still swearing.
What a fucking result. One hand on the trophy. That’s gotten rid of the shitty feeling I had all day. Weird as fuck shouting for Liverpool. Think I’ll go take a shower. I feel dirty.
Here’s my foul mouthed contribution……..FUCKING HELL, what last minute drama! Thanks Eboue you silly cunt!!
Let me take you step by step through Piers Morgan’s premature celebration on twitter:
Yessssssssss!!!!!!!!
40 minutes ago via web
The title hinges on this kick. #comeonyougooners
39 minutes ago via web
Get in there!!!!!!!!! You little beauty @Persie_Official
38 minutes ago via web
Shocking dive. Pathetic.
34 minutes ago via web
Can everyone just go away. Thanks.
32 minutes ago via web
So much pain and misery. Me likey.
I guess Dalglish has a two game ban coming:)
the truth – No mate, It was funny as fuck lol. No one has sympathy for us.
FA inboxes must be exploding!
Wenger mouthing off about the added time which lead to their penalty the fucking cunt. He should take into account the amount of seconds accumulated when RVP celebrated what looked like the winning goal.
The truth – well I almost felt sorry for arsenal, yea (ALMOST)
Costas – He is such a cunt.
Red Devils : 6 games left, 6 point lead, 6 GD
Thank you Liverpool. Great spirit, priceless moment in the 102th minute. We can all feel the difference between this and the team BeneathUS left. Having to make 3 subs because of injuries, fielded some 17 year olds. I think provided they add to the depth of the squad in the summer they could well be challenging for the title next season.
The draw gave us some more room for resting some important players in the PL. If we beat Newcastle and Eevrton i wouldn’t mind resting 3-5 important vital players in the Arsenal game.
Mannings … why wouldn’t anyone be offended if Park swore into the camera in Korean? Our matches are shown in Korea. And according to Wikipedia, there are more than 45,000 Korean citizens living in the UK. Law 12 doesn’t mention anything about languages. It doesn’t mention anything about how many people might or might not be offended. In fact, it doesn’t mention any criteria for determining what constitutes offensive language.
Of course, it’s all absurd, but that’s exactly the point. It’s one thing for referees to apply judgment in the heat of the moment and either get it right or wrong. But this wasn’t a referee, it was the FA. The FA is not a referee. Nor, as an administrative organization, is it authorized to interpret or modify or selectively apply the Laws of Football. Those Laws are defined and managed by the International Football Association Board.
willierednut – what I was thinking now after the shitty defeat, that rooney and hernandez are now the equivelent of gerrard and torres when they were playing well, and rooney and ronaldo. Its not a bad thing united are a 2 man team, but they are that important now to how united play they cant be dropped now
Oh sorry )) If we beat Arsenal at the Emirates with some more favorable results the win there might seal the 19th )) So don’t think we will risk with the squad. But it’s a possibility. Remember us playing against Chelsea in the league in between the CL semis i suppose.
The Truth … feel sorry for Arsenal? Hold on while I find the world’s smallest violin…
Done, Scott. Thank you. hehe
StatesideAussie – there is not a smaller one enough
FOR ALL YOU WHO DIDN’T HEAR K.DALGLISH SAY: ”PISS OFF”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eoq46VB5fE
Could be worth making a vide compilation of all these swearing incidents, you tubing it and send the fa the link as well a cc’ing in some newspapers?
@fergie is the boss don’t see utd as a 2 man team at all and rooney playing on his own has been ineffective all year,to say neither rooney and hernandez can’t be dropped is grossly overstating things.one thing utd have proved with rooney being shit most of the year its a team effort and utd don’t rely on just one or two players.a man of your knowledge i’m surprised to hear that from you.
And for the Joke of the day:
“Sir Alex was in the crowd and wired up to talk wit the ref through out the game and ordered dat pen fr pool”:-D
Source: A deluded Arsenal Fan
wayne – I never said that, I said they are huge on how uniteds attack is set up and how they are lined up. You lose either rooney or hernandes and uniteds whole system is fucked up. Yesterdays game proved this, esp berbs is not a no9. Rooney has picked up since january so its half a season and he has alreadygot 13 goals. It is the same with barcelona, lose messi or villa and their system is messed uip
yesterdays game wayne was a huge eye opener for me I was actually suprised well half has the system never worked has berbs cant lead the line. What strachen was on about berbs is better loeading the line than chico when chico is a central striker. But we had no penetration through the middle esp in attack, actually its 3 players giggs rooney and chico we missed for their movement You have giggs is darting runs through the middle. rooneys workrate and ability to drop deep and claim the ball, and chico’s pace on the shoulder of the last defender so rooney can thread the ball through, berbs can do it, but the energy of rooney is a huge factor. I never said 2 man team, but for a potent threat 1 upfront never works
Is it player of the year tonight or is that later on in the month?
I am definitely writing the FA for Kenny Dalglish, it was a situation very similar to Rooney’s as it was clearly not during play.
@fergie is the boss sorry must of misunderstood,thought you said its not a bad thing utd are a 2 man team and neither can be dropped,anyway my point is utd play better with 2 strikers and i think berba does just aswell if he has support,utd all year have played crap with one striker including rooney,i rate berba world class and have no problem him playing alongside either.
wayne – yep, Like I said whats the point having berbs who withdraws leading the line, when carrick scholes nani and valencia have nowt to aim for when they are all about creating stuff for a forward hates 2 lead the line has he will drop deep, but he is limited in terms of formation he has 2 play 442. Like you said united have played utter shit with 1 striker, thats an indication 1 upfront aint the way forward. Since we played 2 upfront proply united have picked up, hoping its hernandez with someone else dont care who, because chico I do think for how fergie sets up the team now, he is uniteds most important player behind VDS ferdinand and vidic.
ban daglish!
I think SAF’s plan was to rest Hernandez a bit and bring him on as a sub.
However, I agree with @ fregie that Berbatov is not consistent enough or made to lead the line – what I was hoping for was that Owen and Berba would start and that Pea would replace probably Owen later.
I also agree with other posts that it is hard to see Berba staying on, I like watching him play and on his day he is great but somehow you just don’t feel you can bank on him, he just does not quite fit with the other players we have. I know people will say look at his goals and he was great in games this season and helped us alot, however, given the way SAF has been using him I cant quite see him staying. He is clearly 3rd choice striker now.
@Notorious
Don’t know when they are supposed to be annouced, but one paper claimed today that Bale and Wilshere won the two awards.
Rooney was punished under Law 12 of the Laws of Football, which apply to players during a match. That wouldn’t apply to Dalglish. But what Dalglish said would be covered by the FA’s own rules in the FA Handbook, which covers offensive language used by managers and players (and, FYI, supporters) at an FA-sanctioned “event” but outside the field of play. But they won’t do anything. The same FA rules applied when ‘Arry Redknapp told a reporter to fuck off at a post-match conference earlier this season. He said it clearly, in anger, and into a TV camera and it was broadcast live, unedited, but they did nothing. And yes, that’s the same ‘Arry Redknapp who criticized WR10 for swearing. Double-standards and hypocrisy all round, but what do you expect?
What the Fuck!!!
Arsenal bottles it again….!!!
I switched off the TV and went for a walk as soon as rvp scored.. Gosh.. I missed the fun
But fucking hell who the hell cares.. Win against Newcastle and Arsenal will defiantly drop points against Spurs and No. 19 is very much wrapped up. Rest players for semifinal and then for the final.
FITB – The Rooney/Hernandez partnership will only get better next season. It’s still early, but It’s looking really exciting. What it means for Berbatov? I don’t know. Will he want to sit on the bench? He’s too good, to be kicking his heels on the bench IMO. A lot will depend, on who we sign this summer. Will Welbeck and Kiko figure next season? A few decisions for the manager, to think about.
Dont know if you were watching Goals on Sunday this morning Scott, but Gordon Strachan referred to a couple of occasions where Ferguson gave him a “Bollocking”…Said it twice…Live on Sky, on a Sunday morning, I for one was appalled.
mathematically we need or arsenal need to lose 12 points to ensure the title. this means if they draw at spurs, we can win the title at the emirates. and lift the trophy at the next home game against the blues. kill 2 birds with one stone.
I heard Bale and Wilshere won the PFA awards?
Cheers Costas. @ veek chelski need to drop 2 points as well as l’arse for us to be able to win it at the Emirates. They have 3 home games in a row but hopefully either Bobby Moore FC or spurs can grab points at the bridge.
Folks, anyone know where someone who refuses to get a Titter account can leave some grief for Piers Morgan. He has a blog on CNN and I’ve already left him a little love on there:
http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/15/george-michaels-world-premiere-royal-wedding-song-unveiled-on-piers-morgan-tonight/#comments
But it just doesn’t seem like enough.
Done and done. Tribute to Mary Poppins me thinks!!!
STR : wow that’s impressive..u have a very keen eyes and the audibility tolerance that as good as a bat!
i just wanna ask do you heard the swearing part clearly or u just read those players lips as in lip reading?
My math is crap:
We need to win 4/6 of our games to be Champions in the League is all I know. That number reduces if A drops points or if the drop below C, C drop points.
This means right now if we draw 3 and lose 2 we are still champs – goal diff allowing.
“Boohoo, the whole world is against us, waah waah waah, ABU, ABU, etc”
Who cares who did and didn’t swear? Thing is with “Wazza” is that you could very clearly hear what he said. Not sure if any of the other examples listed could be heard, so they don’t count.
I have to say that despite the games against Arsenal and Chelsea, it would be nice if we won the title at Blackburn. The same venue where we really lost it 12 months ago.
Sometimes I feel sorry for Arsenal fans, lol. I haven’t seen another team in my life systematically bottle it like they do. And tonight they outdid themselves!
I feel more sorry for Nazi Germany than I do l’arse fans.
Why is there a long “Beeeeeee” comment at 19:41?
@Notorious
Where are they anyway? Haven’t seen an Arsenal fan here in a while.
What is up with our fans! Sorry for Arsenal! No way Jose!
At least the weekend sort of ended a bit briter carragher was strechered off i did not know the fa cup final was on sat those blue bastards have won nothing yet
A Leeds fan. Another club, that bottles it.
My moneys on Stoke.
fuck me is LUFC a leeds fan thought that breed was extinct,fucking bankrupted the whole franchise trying to play with the big boys,you belong in the minors fuck off
@Costa there is only one place that most if United fans will like to win the title. I a not gonna name it but it will shut a chant once and for all.
You need to give credit to King Kenny today. FSW would have never send his team to battle like that.
Battle, they did. Arsenal blew It, Arsenal style.
king kenny will become full time manager it keeps the fans happy and he’s doing a ok job
@ Costas. They have been very quiet since our makeshift midfield dumped them out the FA Cup. Can’t stand there fans give it all the gob when they are top of the league and then go into hiding like scolded children, pathetic.
leads united the most pathetic rivalry I’ve seen in football. They claim it stretches back to war of the roses yet when they play cit-eh they both give each other reach arounds whilst singing anti-Man United songs. Hypocritical sheep shagging bankrupt cunts.
Swear Watch!
Regarding role models and swearing, today after the Arsenal game you could clearly see how the two managers refused to shake hands and you could clearly hear “King” Kenny utter the words “oooh piss off” into the direction of Wenger. Check the broadcast sound again, it’s clearly there! Let’s see how consistent the FA is!
Actually there’s a bit of animosity on both sides. I personally have never really liked Man City and especially not now they’re trying to buy success. There are Leeds fans who wank over City though just because we both hate the same team.
But that’s no different to how you and Everton have a love-in for your shared hatred of Liverpool really.
LUFCWhite – Fuck off you sheep shagging cunt.
as a kid watched leeds destroy us at elland road 5-1 hated them ever since
Difference is LUFCWhite when we play Everton we NEVER and I mean NEVER sing anti-liverpool songs together. Whereas your lads do every time you play (sorry typo) played cit-eh. I know a couple of leads united acquaintances who never hesitate to remind me when I see them.
Leeds is a bigger city than Manchester and Salford combined, so no idea where you lot get the whole “people from Leeds are sheepshaggers” thing from.
Unless you’re from neither…?
Too true. Look where trying to buy success got Leeds.
Apparently Sampdoria’s team bus was attacked by their own fans after Milan beat them 3-0. I presume Kiko was on the bus at the time? Get him the hell out of there.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/feedarticle/9600919
keanobambino – Erm, did you even read this? There’s a link to the footage of Dalglish in this article.
@LUFC fucking leeds have been known as sheepshaggers for years,whats the size of the city got anything to do with it,just a short drive out of town to find what you’re looking for,tell you what though if sheepshagger offends you what about mutton molestors that better?
why the fuck are you on here anyway 6th in the championship and dreams of making back into the big time,miss us do you,must be hard tossing it off against lower lights when one comes from a ‘big city’ hows the unemployment anybody work or are you still a bunch of scrounging cunts.
LUFC White
Why are you even here? Haven’t you got better things to do on a Sunday night than come onto a “rivals” blog and start posting? Your club is insignificant and probably makes a DVD everytime you play someone from the prem, go home small time.
During the minutes silence today, I noticed Joe Cole on the bench for the vermin. I’d forgot all about him. What a fall from grace, eh? Can’t believe I wanted United to sign him last summer.
I hope Tottenham will win Arsenal in the next round and equalize City’s points in the 4th place. It would be pretty funny if they were stuck in the Europa League for another season.
I have a feeling we will secure the title in the next three rounds.
@wayne Yeah, Leeds is surrounded by countryside. Much like most major cities in this country are? It’s also surrounded by Bradford, Wakefield and Huddersfield…
@bobbycharlie1968 I stumbled across this blog and had to respond to the laughable comments regarding the whole wide world being against Man Utd. Which is bullshit since the media laps up your success.
And we’re so insignificant that your fans were over the moon when we drew each other in the FA Cup, and that you seem to miss us?
I also was one of the dopes who was cheerleading for Joe Cole’s signing luckily I and lots more were ignored.
What’s the deal? No City fan has graced us with their presence this weekend. They still can’t believe it, lol. 1 billion pounds of investment and in the end, our own mistakes gifted them the match…
@willie
That’s you have me around. To put things in perspective.
I prefered Obertan over Joe Cole. And when you think about it, their seasons have been very similar, lol.
@LUFC don’t make me laugh you’re more delusional than the bitters and dippers.since leeds got relegated utd have won 3 prem titles.1 champions league.1 fifa world cup,3 league cups,3 charity shields and the year leeds went down utd won the fa cup,sure we’re missing you lot daft bastard.
Joe Cole thats one signing I’m glad we missed out on.
@ LUFCWhite – The media laps up our success!! Maybe at the end of the season when we win things but throughout it give us zero credit and lay into us all the time. You honestly believe the media loves us, sounds like the sheep semen has got to your brain!
So whenever we’ve played you, we’ve been “just another fixture” and nothing more?
If that’s the case, you should really do some more research on the history of your club.
@LUFCWhite – Thanks for the result today. Al least ye didn’t throw the game like ye did against Chelsea last year. Dalglish has managed to bring some dignity back to your club, I’ll give him that much.
The whole point of leads united is based around Man United. You hate us because you’re jealous of our success thats why you couldn’t give a fuck about any Yorkshire rivalry. Associating yourselves with us has made you more famous. Since you’ve been away nobody here cares about you, not missed at all. You don’t get to play us twice a season and yet you still follow our matches cheering the other team on pretending its you playing us. That pisses you miserable yorkshire bastards off to a level so low its pathetic.
@LUFC i was always into leeds fixtures because i hate you so much,bunch of dirty cunts in the 70′s who called themsevles super leeds but were a bunch of chokers fucking one of the dirtiest teams i’ve ever watched,utd dominated fixtures for years and i fucking loved every win and i fucking loved it when you went down.
in regards to history,tradition,winning ,you fuckers are second class citizens legends in your own minds,hatred made the fixture special nothing else
willierednut – when torres was sensational back in 2007 in a liverpool shirt. I pulled my hair out has it would have been brilliant had we signed him, so rooney can drop deep. Now we are seeing how brilliant rooney is in the hole with someone like hernandez taking rooneys role he has been playing in since 2007,rooney has he gives us so many options when he dropes deep, his energy power and passing ability is brilliant. Like I said even if he costs a fortune, I do hope we sign schneider,because even though he is not a naturel CM if fergie can transform giggs into a CM schneider can be the same, because imagine an interchangable front 5 of schneider valencia nani rooney all feeding hernandes, with carrick playing has the holding midfielder quiet exciting stuff.
How does Bale win PFA player of the year? HAHA wow.
@ byron1970
I don’t think he supports Liverpool, buddy…..
Ba ba black sheep, have you any wool…..
People complained about Giggs winning the PFA award 2 years ago. I am pretty sure that Giggs had many better games that season than Bale has had in 10-11. What a joke.
He’s a Leeds fan. Lost, I presume?
all bales best games came in europe he was ave in the prem,thats one fucked up decision
@wayne
“bunch of dirty cunts”
Bit rich coming from a supporter of a club whose fans worship Roy Keane…
Also, I couldn’t care less if you lose a match really, although if I witness said match then it does bring a smile upon my face. Also I seem to remember a few “red devillzzz” being happy to see us lose to Donny and Millwall in the playoffs.
@Trafford Brown – Thanks for the heads up mate, I just realised it the second I submitted my comment. If I realised he supported a team not even in the top flight I wouldn’t have bothered in the first place.
LUFCWhite says:
“Boohoo, the whole world is against us, waah waah waah, ABU, ABU, etc”
Who cares who did and didn’t swear? Thing is with “Wazza” is that you could very clearly hear what he said. Not sure if any of the other examples listed could be heard, so they don’t count.
Nice of you join to the join the debate, what at least two weeks late, anyway you miss the point entirely but there you go,
As for games against you what is being said is these days are they just another game, you where once rivals (and good ones) but not anymore, pretty simple really. Just like Newcastle where for a couple of years. To be rivals you need to be challenging us, so in our history you where but in our present you are not.
WHILE WE’RE ON THE SUBJECT OF SWEARING…..
BALE AND WILSHIRE FOR PFA ??? FUCK RIGHT OFF YOU CUNTS !!!!!!!
WILSHIRE – 19 YEARS OLD – 2 GOALS AND 9 ASSISTS
HERNANDEZ – 22 YEARS OLD – 18 GOALS FFS !!!
BALE – 22 YEARS OLD – 11 GOALS 3 ASSISTS
NANI – 24 YEARS OLD – 10 GOALS 18 ASSISTS
WHO VOTED BALE AND WILSHIRE AS BETTER PLAYERS THAN HERNANDEZ AND NANI???
What??? chill mate, who gives a fuck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWt9JEGkoTA&feature=player_embedded
just as clear as rooneys blatently infront of a camera.
You want a distinction?
Maybe that in audible swearing is much different than audible swearing. Just because you can read what people are syaing, doesn’t mean the person next to you can and certainly any kids watching won’t hear it.
But when you go to a camera with a big, stupid and obvious microphone on the top and then swear into it, there’s your distinction. why can’t you see that? Instead you are looking very stupid and childish.
The FA have answered your questions. it’s time to move on.
We had Keano, Leeds had Bremner. Or did you forget?
It matters very little in the scheme of things. Bale had his best games in Europe but somehow the PFA have used Bale’s European performances to judge him in the league. HAHAHAHA. English football at the administrative level is in the gutters.
@LUFC you must be fucking joking roy keane wasn’t dirty he was a hard man i’m talking about fucking cowards,dirty cocksuckers,billy bremnar one of the dirtiest cowards ever to put on a pair of boots and the fans voted him the greatest leeds player of all time,that fucking sums up your club right there he wouldn’t get into utds top 50,that team was full of dirty cheapshot artists everyone a fucking coward,don’t even put roy keane in the same sentence
Bremner > Keane
Just makes me laugh mate, out of all the players in the League they vote for Wilshire and Bale as the best of the Season? What a load of bollocks.
Hernandez played against Wilshire in our 2-0 win in the FA Cup, and Bale played against Nani in our 2-0 victory when Nani made a twat of Gomez. Just makes me laugh that neither PFA winner has produced fuck all against us this season, and we are the barometer in this League.
In fairness, Tevez deserved it more than Bale.
dannyB says:
You want a distinction
Yes I want the rule where Rooney was charged that allows that distinction, the FA’s rules are clear, however their application isnt
LUFCWhite says:
Bremner > Keane
Medals
Keane>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>oh hold on>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bremner
Costas – u deserved it more than bale lols
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bremner
Keane > Haaland oh no?
@LUFC roy keane would have had bremner for breakfast little cunt would have shit himself in the tunnel,fucking white shorts would have had brown stains for the whole world to see.i would have loved that matchup
Clough had it right about Leeds.
LUFCWhite
Its easy for rival fans to say Man Utd get all the decisions but never easy for you to admit that the FA Are a load of London wankers. One of my mates a Leeds Fan being born in Rotheram and Living in Leeds for a few years. We both met when I moved to Suffolk and other than Football we get on very well. I couldn’t believe my ears when he said that the FA Favour London Clubs and that the whole Rooney saga was a farce.
We are rivals and it goes back to the Wars of the Roses, Lancashire Yorkshire. Weather your team is out of our minds atm when you return the rivary will too. The difference in Everton and Utd hatred of Liverpool is Everton live in their saddow and Utd is more City Rivalry ,again an historical rivalry. Your fans love Man Shitty because You hate Man Utd and like shitty fans you think they will soon be top dog in Manchester. (When I say You I mean Leeds Fans and not You personally)
Sheep shaggers comes from Yorkshire in general, just like Wales. I’ll wager you have called a Welshman a Sheepshagger. Remember not all Scousers are Theives or Scottish Tight, People from Norwich aint inbreads its just a bit of Steriotypical banter.
Speaking of stereotypical banter whilst working in sales, I found Yorkshiremen to be tight. Whilst going on holiday I found that Yorkshire women aren’t
LUFC an ickle team, with small minded knuckle draggers for fans that you cant engage with cos its like trying to get sense out of a sheep
@Costas, we could all probably name 5 players who deserved it more than Bale mate:
off the top of my head in no particular order -
BERBATOV (no explanation needed)
Darren Bent (11 goals for Sunderland 9 goals for Villa)
Tevez (no explanation needed)
Charlie Adam (10 goals from midfield for Promoted side)
Nani (no explanation needed)
Bale isn’t even a better player than Lennon ffs.
yeah willie the one were he called the team a bunch of cheating cocksuckers and told them to bin all the medals
@Notorious lol mate growing up used to work summers down at cleethorpes in the holiday camp fucking yorkie chicks was what a 15yr old needed
@FITB
Haha. I am a modest guy, but I probably have to agree on that.
@Notorious.
Nice.
@WHAT??
Yeah mate, I see a lot of similarities with Lennon too. Just goes to show that all the media hype will get you somewhere. I hope Rafa allows him out of his back pocket in time to go collect the award…
@Costas so the rock is gettings back into wrestling?
@wayne
Not anytime soon mate. He just did a couple of appearances in a non wrestling capacity. One of them was at Wrestlemania. And it was announced that he will wrestle at next year’s Wrestlemania in Miami.
@Costas ok i’d herad he was getting back didn’t realise it was just for that,didn’t pay for it pretty expensive
Costas – they do say footballers are not the brightest, has result in PFA nominees
Oh priceless viewing this afternoon. Just when I thought those pansy cunts had nicked it eboue messes it up. Get in dirk. Fair play to the vermin today. Were up against it to start with and then had to make three enforced changes at one point playing with four or five teenagers. Look a different team now to be honest. Cheers you scouse bastards. Arsenal will drop points for fun now mark my words. This was the final nail in their coffin. Had to laugh at wilkins banging on about wilshire being like liam fucking brady. Oh do fuck off. A minute later he is taken off. Largely ineffective again but nonetheless wins player of year. Fucking piss take. As for bale. Don’t even get me started on that one trick pony cunt. Couldn’t even make a decent speech. Anyway back to the arsenal choking. What a shit set of fans. Moaning and groaning all the while. mind you not surprused having to watch fabregas the fucking leader performing like he has done a deal in spain already. They really are bottling cunts. Its hilarious hearing pundits clutching at straws and praying yesterday is the start of our downfall. Is it fuck. We will bounce back like usual. Even more so considering the manner of todays game. This will have given our lads a real lift.
Not even gonna talk about yesterday. Didn’t turn up second half. Simple as that. Its what united always do. Certain games. Don’t turn up. Gutted but winning number nineteen is the main focus and gettiing to another european final. Hopefull fletch will be back for the remaining games.
Old man said it was kicking off at coach park yesterday. A citeh fan right outside the coach window from my old mans seat was goading united with his arms out. Suffice to say sone united fan steamed in from ten feet away and launched him and burst his face all over the coach window next to my old man.
Anyway who the fuck was that babyfaced southern ponce presenting the dippers game? He seemed gutted. After dalglishs interview he says “kenny knows all about twists and turns , ,HE S BEEN THERE BEFORE“. Shut up silly cunt.
A win at newcastle on tuesday puts us in a hell of a position.
Oh finally heard vidics interview post game yesterday. Wow. He was absolutely gutted and looked like he was gonna cry. He is a red. Hoping for a backlash tuesday.
Sorry last thing. In a lot of games this season when we have paired carrick with scholes we have been over run. I was liking the carrick ando earlier or carrick giggs of late and now with scholes banned for three games we will see more of these combinations with hopefully a fit fletcher back too.
@wayne
I watched it the following day for free. It wasn’t worth the money, honestly. I’ll keep you posted on the Rock, but from what I’ve heard, the idea is for him to wrestle again on April st, 2012.
@FITB
Like I said, too much hype from the media. If a right back is going to vote, I’d think that Nani has given him a harder time this season than Bale, so the logical choice would be Nani.
I live ten mile or so from leeds and have had to put up with the cunts for years. Munich chants as long as I can remember. Dirty racist nasty cunts. service crew and shit still going strong. Websites called waccoe meaning we are the champions champions of europe. Bigging up the fact they wrecked europe back in the day fuck all to do with actual on pitch success. They truly are a horrible set of fucking cunts.
@Costas thanks mate these pay per view events are pricing themsevles out even ufc that used to be reasonable have jacked the prices last year.
King Eric – you think scholes should call it a day, because there is no way carriuck can be let go. Maybe having 2 of the simuler type of player that scholes and carrick are who sit to deep works against united this season
Fitb. No mate. In still think scholesey can do the business as its far easier to write old players off after a bad game or two. I just aint keen on that particular pairing. I honestly think paul will call it a day. Hope I am wromg but that’s two bans now in the last few weeks and that may not be to his llikeing. Will start doubting himself.
King Eric – if scholes does, adding with hargreaves leaving we will have 2 sign 2 CM, one attacking one defensive
Wayne? I take it your not really a student of footballing history no? “Keane would have had Bremner for breakfast?” I think not – Bremner could have snapped Keane in two with his Little Finger and I dread to even THINK of what Players like Souness, Mcmahon, Harris, Whelan and Smith would have done to the pseudo hard-man Keane. A “Hard Man” by TODAY’S standards? Is not very much when compared to the REAL things from yesteryear. Keane wouldn’t so much of been eaten up by that lot as chewed to bits and the remnants of his bones spat out……..if that.
King Eric? Agree with you about us looking a “different team” today but then what do you expect? Our ENTIRE backline is in the treatment room and we were fielding replacements FOR replacments in parts of the pitch. Know what you mean though – There was a spirit there that hasn’t been seen at our place for a LONG time now and long may it continue. Pleased to that we seem to have finally found the answer for our full-back positions in our Academy of all places. TBF though? I s’pose we owed you that one after last May no? It’s up to YOU to capitalise on it now though just as you could NOT in ’95 at West Ham when we did something similar. Will you? Time will tell on that one – Sooner or later? Time will tell………..
NB Just because you might GET to 19 before us? Doesn’t mean you’ll stay or advance from there untouched forever – Especially with whose in charge of us now. You caught us no? WE caught Arsenal in the 1970′s (can you believe THEY were once the country’s most successful side domestically? long time ago now…) I’d bear in mind in the years to come if I were you (Fergie or NO Fergie) an old but wise saying “Those that pass others and overtake? Can themselves be passed and overtaken in time however improbable that might first appear”. I look forward to a PROPER joust for the title in the years to come!!
King Eric? TBF – Leeds DID have a perfectly legitimate thunderbolt shot from Lorimer that led to a goal ruled out in the 1975 European Cup Final and they WERE goaded all day by Angry/Racist (against the English – Aren’t they fucking always?) Parisian bullyboy Police officers. But then to balance that? They’d spent ALL day drinking and went out with the clear intention of causing a riot (which they did…….literally in the end) IF they didn’t get their own way on the pitch. As I said – Quite clearly they succeeded and although there were SOME excuses for what they did? There was NO excuse for what Leeds fans did to Paris AFTER losing the final – They FULLY deserved the resultant ban…………………
Of course the vermin were gonna try today, the Godfather was watching in the stands. Kneel before the master, Kenny. Do thy bidding.
Redshadow. By saying you looked a different team I meant in a positive way since five months ago. A new found spirit almost. I did mention the fact you had a few teenagers and those fullbacks look good prospects. Gotta admit spearing had a good game today. Last couple he has to be fair.
King Eric – I know what you meant – I understood THAT part of it – Was just saying there was TWO ways we looked different today – We sent out the Under 11′s to humiliate Arsenal yes and it looked like we had a new infusion of youth and spirit – Rather like another nearby team in Red once did when THEY were going nowhere fast in the league – Do you remember that time your mob did that Eric? Along with what happened next? Wasn’t Giggs and Sharpe the first? Waaaay back in 1992 after the first batch of ‘fledgings’ (Beardsmore, Martin, Wallace et al) didn’t quite make the grade.
But the OTHER reason we sent out those players was? Because we literally HAD no-one else left. Our First team players are all mostly long since injured (or out for the season in the case of our Captain). THEIR replacments are now often on the treatment bench or not deemed good enough by his royal Kennethness so WHO else is there? One thing I really DID enjoy about today BTW? Was young Robinson marking the overrated Walcott out of the match and showing him up for what he REALLY is – Nullify his speed? And he HAS nothing else ala Lennon and SO many other English Wingers – And people wonder WHY we struggle internationally? Robinson did VERY well today as did Flanagan on the other flank – Although it’s rather easy when you have to mark the undead – Nasri was little more than a zombie today wasn’t he?
I don’t think I’ve SEEN him be less threatening and against a rookie as well today of all days!! The SAME Nasri who so humiliated Glen Johnson for France in November against England and today? Not a flicker. If Arsenal and Nasri CAN’T be up for it when chasing the title so closely? Why do they bother at all? WE did a MUCH better job of hounding you well into May and hunting you down 2 seasons ago – Maybe Arsene should watch videos of THAT? Anyway Re Flanagan after nullifying Nasri? Maybe he can help his country in time to – I THINK we’ve found another Arbeloa here with one BIG difference? We’ve found him or a version of him on BOTH Flanks…..
I agree re’ Spearing BTW – THINK Rafa’ brought him from the Academy with the aim of developing a mini-Alonso a long time ago. Jay’s always been a ‘passing’ sort of midfielder who likes to throw his weight into tackles. Always thought he was to small to make it but that never stopped Fabregas or Iniesta no? And whilst not in their class yet – Few are. He’s still a cracking little player who helps move the attack forwards in a way little seen since Xabi left. He won a penalty at Sunderland the other week – COULD have had one today and makes a lot of perceptive passes forwards and to the flanks. A great prospect as are Flanagan and Robinson – In fact the one I worry WON’T make it? Is Shelvey – Can’t really see WHAT Dalglish sees in HIM TBH.
Oh and Willierednut? Think you might want to reverse that ‘Godfather’ rubbish – Don’t know WHAT it is or WHY but if you look at the history of Dalglish and Ferguson? If ONE manager has a hold on him of some sort? It’s Kenny. Fergie does NOT like him for some reason and he’s got under Alex’s skin on occasions past unlike anyone I’ve seen bar Rafa’ (once) and Mourinho (a few times). Also? Fergie was at Anfield last season or his assistant was to see THAT Chelsea game and he’s come to see us on other occasions in the past for all the good it’s done him (or did last year). BTW IF Kenny was going to ‘kneel’? Shouldn’t that have been when WE played you? Your probably still trying to forget what happened then no? Should be easier for your team since their voiceboxes mysteriously gave out en masse that day in March. And last of all? Get it right peasant!! A King NEVER kneels before one of his Knights!!! Rather the other way around no? LOL
Kenny swearing in the camera…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWt9JEGkoTA&feature=player_embedded
@Redshadow hard man is a hard man in any era and keane was a hard man.had that look in his eyes always ready billy bremner was a dirty nasty cunt not hard keane would’ve destroyed him and you must be having a laugh about some of those other names.been watching football since the 60′s and roy keane rates right up there
Redshadow. Don’t get me started on nasri. A vastly over rated mincing little ponce. Twice I have seen him at old trafford this season and both times he was shit. Has not produced since late november.
A king of a small fief is no real King. Just a mocking.
done!
Wayne – A hard man in any era might indeed be a hard man but to think Keane is ANY harder than those other names? I think not – I personally SAW his first clashes with the likes of Whelan and Mcmahon when he started at Forest and to say he was put in his place was putting it mildly – As to him mixing it with the likes of Bremner, Giles, Smith, Souness, Harris and most of all the one I forgot before the nutter that is Jimmy Case? Forget it – As I said, Keane might indeed be a hard man in any era but these men? Were ALL from a different era where ‘Hard’ men? Were practically quarried not born – Some of them were REAL animals – Keane was not and never could be that – THAT is why I rate him below them.
YorYor? Kenny’s NOT king of a small fief – Look at OUR following for a start. More than a few subjects for him no?
KingEric? I agree re’ Nasri – An overated little showpony to say the LEAST. I know your own Nani and before him Cristiano were labelled ‘showponies’ on occasion but? At least THEY always had an end product of some sort – Nasri? just falls over a lot now, rolls around, calls for cards and cries foul when things go against him – I don’t really see the point of him and having a member of our Tiny Tots XI mark him OUT of a crucial game in the League Title Race? Must be the ultimate humiliation to the man who did SO much damage to England in November and who is always SO quick to remind us of his French International Status.
Anyway Nasri? As you say – Has done NOTHING of note since the Winter but WHY? He DESTROYED you lot at the Emirates a couple of years back – I remember as they were the last goals you let in for what 5 months? Where did THAT player go? He was a shadow today and I doubt Flanagan will have an easier afternoon – David Silva gave him FAR more of a test the other night in a quarter of the time Nasri had today – To say he was a waste of space yesterday is putting it mildly………
Thanks Scott. Submitted my complaint as well. When you copy paste the message could you also please copy the link to their site please. It will help a lot. Best
as for this swear watch – here’s an interesting question for you guys to ask the FA if you want …
does this apply on the players who swear only on english and if it does, dont you find it stupid, considering that EPL is full of foreign players and matches are watched all over the world, that only players who speak english are being closely monitored ?
that means that the FA protects only the viewerrs from the countries that englsih is a mother tongue…who will ban, for example carlos tevez if he says ” te puta madre” when he fluffs the chance – who will ban dimitar berbatov when he curses on bulgarian ? isn’t that offensive, insultive or abusive language as well ? if they want to implement the new rules, they should be equal for every player and this way they are discriminating only the ones who talk english , and that way discriminating the very own english language
i would like to add another incident – dalglish vs wenger…dalglish clearly said fuck off
Become a fan of the FA first? No thanks. I’d rather die
Just complained to ofcom about Kenny haha
As petty as the ban was I see the clear distinction. Most players swear at eachother or themselves, whereas Roo looked straight into a camera and swore. It may not be written specifically in the rule book but there just a guideline. I think you should get over it now and look ahead not back.
LackyMUFC says:
As petty as the ban was I see the clear distinction. Most players swear at eachother or themselves, whereas Roo looked straight into a camera and swore. It may not be written specifically in the rule book but there just a guideline. I think you should get over it now and look ahead not back.
And there I was thinking it said laws of football on the front!
RedShadow – Dalglish is Fergies bitch. Now, fuck off to rawk, with your scouser propaganda. As for all your so called hard men? United used to win regularly at anfield. Big Norman sorted the likes of Mcmahon and co out, you know it. Keane > Gerrard
Anyone remember McMahon in the 88 cup final with piss streaking down his legs after Vinnie did him, oh yeah a real hardman, lol.
Matt – That’s right lol. Hard man in his own head.
matt – Yeah that was superb. In the first few minutes wasnt it?
yea tis is fuckin disgrace coz oni sir alex is bein targeted. tis cunt shld b banned as lfc manager.. hahaha
New slogan for the FA. The FA: Anti Manchester United and fucking us over since 1863.
McMahon a hardman now now now, are some PPL’s standards of tough players slipping lols. Mcmhon was has hard has an easter egg lols
lakshman says:
yea tis is fuckin disgrace coz oni sir alex is bein targeted. tis cunt shld b banned as lfc manager.. hahaha
This aint social services you know, speak fucking English cos I haven’t got a pamphlet explaining the drivel you are using.
Willie, king Eric, FITB, didn’t know which was funnier, Vinnie doing him or the look on the rest of his team mates as they realised thier captain had just been sorted, which was evident when that bitter scouse cunt Aldridge became the first player to choke/miss/bottle a penalty in an FA Cup final.
willierednut? YOU fuck off if your going to behave like that when someone speaks in a civilised manner to you – United DIDN’T win that much at Anfield when Smith, Case or Souness was in our midfield – Check the records if you want for yourself – Your record at our place was BEYOND terrible when that lot were in our midfield up until the early(ish) 80′s. BTW Prat? I’m not FROM RAWK – I’m banned from there for arguing with their resident Naz……..Ahem Moderators. I’m from a different forum entirley to THAT one.
“Dalglish is Fergie’s Bitch”? Think not – Dalglish has always got under his skin more than any other the fact you lot are going out of your way to have a go at him shows that – You IGNORE that which doesn’t bother you and Kenny clearly DOES bother your fans. Else WHY never shut up about him? I notice to that your sainted Leader Kim Jong IL MK II Ahem Ferguson could NEVER shut up about us when Woy was in charge and now he’s gone with Kenny back? Not a flicker – Wonder why THAT is? What happened to your ‘Big Norman’ from all his violent tackles and onfield assaults BTW? That’s right idiot – He was finished by 26 in the game. Rather an own goal there – Had he concentrated MORE on football and LESS on tackling? He might JUST have played on into United’s best modern era – Instead? Your genius Ferguson used him as onfield Hardman, sent him to ‘sort out’ opposition players and? Wrecked his legs in the process with the result that by 1992? One of the game’s former brightest talents? Had bowed OUT of football completely. Such a waste no?
Mattbw? Not really – Mcmahon wasn’t bothered by Vinny in that or any other game we played against Wimbledon any more than Cantona was bothered by Ruddock’s constant windups whenever WE played you. We just had a bad day on the day of the Cup Final and I see you fail to mention to that the ref’ in that game disallowed a perfectly good goal FOR us before the tackle your wetting yourself to point out so breathlessly here. Mcmahon was NEVER bothered by irritants like Jones – In fact a couple of seasons later? Mcmahon ‘did’ Jones SO effectively? That HE was carried off on the stretcher with leg damage from an injury that persisted so much later in his career? That it eventually retired him. You think Mcmahon would have done THAT to someone he’s afraid of? I think not……………….
NB What on Earth was that idiot Costas on about earlier?
“Have Liverpool decided to open their legs late in the game, so no one gets suspicious?”
Fool – It had NOTHING to do with us ‘deciding’ to lose or otherwise – we were DOWN to our last fit bodies for our team you DO know that yes? We were fielding replacements FOR replacements FFS and fought all the way, doing Arsenal with the ULTIMATE sucker-punch RIGHT at the end; Gaining a deserved draw and probably with Dirk’s goal Winning YOU the league title!!! You want an example of a side “lying down and opening their legs”? Look at your OWN shower the last 3 seasons at Anfield – THAT is three consecutive examples of surrender about as comprehensively as you can get!!!! As to us being “Smaller than City”? Really? Is that why your STILL after all this time with Ferguson at the controls chasing US rather than the other way around? And why even IF you win this year’s league? You will STILL be chasing us?
Ok. You might win the league this year but? It will be by default and as the best of a bad bunch just as in 1993 – Nothing LIKE the superior force you were in 2008, 2007, 1994 or 1999. In the end? Again like 1993 and like you SHOULD have done in 1995? You’ve had to rely on OTHERS to do the job for you and wouldn’t you just KNOW it that those others turned out to be US? Hope you enjoyed Dirk’s goal yesterday – It very probably Sealed Number 19 for you. Hope you enjoy Number 19 to as it’s the very Last one you’ll be winning for a good while. All that time and all those titles thus far and you’ve had what? 2 strong challenges from us? You’ve NEVER faced Liverpool at their strongest in ALL that time so I guess we’ll NEVER know if a Ferguson United side at it’s Very Height could have bettered a Dalglish Liverpool side at It’s best over a season since whenever one of us Has been strong? The other’s always been ‘in transition’ until Now anyway, you’ve Never faced us at our strongest in a straight battle for the title have you?
Still, something tells me you’ll have the answer to that question soon enough. We’ll put THAT little fact right soon enough in the years to come – Having seen what happened to MY club so nearly last October and thus what IS in store for you lot Off the pitch? As well as what WE are doing ON it in preparation for the future? I’ll tell you now – You lot have an almighty shock coming now – Two actually. Shocks that you can’t even see yet but which will arrive all to soon for your liking. These shocks are going to hit you Right between the eyes very soon now. I for one will enjoy seeing you reel WHEN this happens. You know the best thing? You don’t even see them coming yet do you? Still, Not that you can do anything to stop them now – It’s FAR to late for that……………
Two shocks? I’m shocked I stayed awake reading your post. Fuck me mate, you’re boring. No wonder they turfed you off rawk. No one on here, will buy your dipper propaganda. Go home fellow, there’s probably a search party looking for ya. Take this thought with ya, 20 years is a long time and if you think United will step aside and let Liverpool take over, you’re sadly mistaken. Don’t think for one minute, that because we fucked up, when SMB left United, we’ll make that same mistake again? No fucking chance laddie buck. The great SAF will this great club, in fine shape, when he finally retires. He’s seen off Mourinho, you think he’s worried about king sour gob? In ya dreams mate.
No, it’s not simply a case of ‘Stepping Aside’ Willierednut – You can rant and rave on All you like about not “making that same mistake again” and how great Ferguson is relative to Dalglish but tell me What will United do when they have to face Liverpool under Dalglish (as well as all the others) Without Ferguson? And what about WHEN the Glazer debts bite as they WILL at some point in the not to distant future? That will make Last October for Liverpool make look like a Garden Party by Comparism and if the two happen at the SAME time? Even United would have a hard time coming back from that.
As I said mate – Rant, rave and crap on about how ‘Invincible’ United are, how much experience they have and how they Won’t make our mistakes or their Own past mistakes re SMB All you like but remember a couple of things – A:) All Empires and that Includes yours come to an end – None can outrun time – Yours won’t either. B:) That means there Will come a time when all that ‘experience’ of titles etc of which you boast bleeds out of your team through age or Not winning without Ferguson and C:) Every Club however great Cannot go on forever indefinitely Without making a Huge mistake or fcukup of Some sort down the line that damages them heavily – United have done well, Very well not to make one for 2 decades or so thus far now yes but mark my words – At Some point in the years to come – You SHALL make such a mistake and WHEN you do? We will be waiting to pounce. And just as you once waited for and pounced on Our mistakes? So we WILL do the same to you – You may think, boast and shout All you like about “not stepping aside for us”
We did say all this once to with regard to your mob but in the end? Time and mistakes catch up with EVERY club – Money just delays the process that’s all – It does NOT stop it. And I ask you again – For All the supposed great shape SAF will leave your club in? (No Ronaldo, No Tevez, No Real replacements bar players not one tenth as good) WHO has the stature, nous and sheer ability to succeed him effectively? The one thing you Should have done at your peak and which We did was build a conveyor line of managers to SUSTAIN the success in place after he’s gone – Instead? You’ll run him into the ground without a successor ever appearing and when he Does go? I pity the poor sap who will sit in his place.
You see Willierednut you forget one Very important fact my friend; You say Fergie’s ‘Seen off” Mourinho, Wenger etc but? As I said above – EVERY Empire falls…..In the end I know this better than many. And for All the managerial rivals Fergie Does see off? The one who he Won’t see off – The one who Will instead see Him off and in effect? Kill a king gets ever closer. Oh, you can argue, bitch, deny the truth All you like but One day, very soon? ONE of the manager’s your oh so confident SAF Will see off as so often before? Will instead? End up facing him down as So many others have before and rather than the usual, time-honoured outcome of Fergie coming out on top? That man will instead see HIM, the Great Ferguson off and thus Fergie will be launched into his retirement and finally make the decision to go having realised he’s either had enough or isn’t up to it anymore as a result of this confrontation.
It might not be someone on the scene yet, it might not even Be Dalglish that does this – Indeed, it could be anyone from Moyes, Martinez, Wenger to Ancelotti. From Allardyce to Pardew right through to Dalglish himself who knows? We don’t even Know WHAT will trigger said confrontation never mind how it will all pan out in the end. However, one thing Is certain – It WILL happen and it will happen sometime and somewhere very soon now whatever else you might think – When you live by the sword or gun in Fergie the Gunslingers case? You die by it as well and as Fergie has set himself up the way he has? He Has to win EVERY argument/public spat he has with other managers however trivial – The Minute he loses one, that will be his authority gone and That I think is his great weakness and what in the end? Will be his undoing, he’ll pick one fight to many over yet another stupid subject and This time?
Ah, this time he won’t win – That time instead I think He’ll end up outmaneouvred – That to, is when I think he’ll pick the time to go and call time on his career. Anyway, What happens to United after That? God only knows because you quite clearly don’t for all your bragging – Fergie Can’t outrun time Willierednut – As you would say “No fucking Chance Laddybuck” but the greatest weakness of the Empire he’s built? Is that it can’t survive WHEN time catches up with him – What WILL you do when someone’s finally seen HIM off as they one day will? Should be interesting whatever happens not that I think you’ll like it much at United……
NB It’s not “Scouse Propaganda” I write here – Just asking Legitimate questions about our clubs mate – No need to start a war over it. As to RAWK? I had a row with the moderators about their overzealousness with Every little thing us posters wrote, told them what I thought of them and the rest as they say is history as is my membership of RAWK.
NNB Take this thought with ya in view of what I’ve just wrote above yes? If you think United’s current success will be timeless and error free – Fergie or No fergie and that you WON’T somewhere down the line make the same type of mistakes that We once made? Think again pal and if you think We won’t jump on those mistakes WHEN you make them as you surely will at some point Just as ferociously as your mob once fed on ours? You’ve got another thing coming. You might once have profited from our mistakes on your way to reaching your current position but it’s equally possible that in the future? The reverse can happen with the same effects? Benefitting Us instead.
You can Rest assured – If Dalglish is in charge when those mistakes on your part occur? We WON’T miss the chance to punish you for them with the same overall results likely for us that You once had. And one more thing? Kenny Dalglish might or might not see Ferguson off at some point in the future depending on whether he’s our manager or not but? At some point LIVERPOOL will see Ferguson off………………..
FUCKING ELL SCOUSERS DONT HALF WAFFLE
CALM DOWN CALM DOWN CALM DOWN CALM DOWN
“Fuck me mate, you are boring” Ha. Nice one Willie.
Ha ha, comparing Dalglish to Fergie is laughable. Sour gob has never built great sides, like Fergie. He’s only coming back now, because Fergie will be retiring in a few years time. It is in fact, Dalglish that was/is worried about Fergie. He hasn’t got Fergies stamina, or hunger for the job. He’s walked out on Liverpool, Blackburn and Newcastle. No mate, he ain’t fit to lace Fergie’s boots and deep down, you know this. When we talk about the great managers in British football, king sour gob doesn’t figure at all.
Now, go home to your Liverpool friends and tell them, what I’ve told you. You’ve been away from home too long mate, people will be worried about you. Also, using the Glazer argument is very weak. When SAF leaves United, the Glazers will be ready to sell the club. As I said before, the great man is getting everything in place, for the next guy to come in and carry on winning trophies. Will we dominate, like under Fergie? Maybe not, but if you think United will go into decline like your inferior club has done since 1990, you’re smoking too much of your own product.
United are here to stay my brother!
Bloody hell Red Shadow, are you related to Harry Redknapp, you take an awfully long time to say fuck all, funny your reading of the 88 final cos I doubt many outside of LFC and its fans would agree with you, not bitter are we?
Mattbw7? No The Last thing I’d Ever want is to be related to Redknapp of ALL people – Hate isn’t a strong enough word for what I think of that fool – Try despise and then some!!!! As to “my reading” of the ’88 Final? It’s not ‘a reading’ it’s the Facts. We DID have a goal disallowed early on – We did then attack all match enough to later be awarded a penalty and force a good few saves from Beasant But? We just had one of “those” days as it were. We beat Wimbledon easily enough a fair few times in the next couple of seasons just not on THAT day of all days – Rather like when YOU played Everton in the ’95 final no? It just wasn’t fated to happen in that particular match, annoying though it was.
Willierednut? WHERE to start with you latest ahem ‘offering’? OK – Comparing Dalglish to Whiskey Nose isn’t right is it? Kenny’s NEVER built great sides has he? OK – I could of SWORN he built a side between 1987 – 1990 that was in another Galaxy to even your 1992/93 Title side. Your 1993/94 side was it’s equal possibly yes but your 1994 – 1997 sides? Well let’s just say our title winning side of 1987-88 and even 1989-90 would have crapped on them from a great height – your 1995-96 and 1996-97 sides weren’t even CLOSE to our 1988 side and whilst closer to our 1990 side? I still think WE would have the edge there by the sheer number of goals we scored that year. Yes, your 1993/94 and probably 2006/2007 and 2007/2008 sides were better than our 1990 side but they were Not better than our 1988 side – None you’ve produced bar 1994 come even Close to that and even our Double Winning Side of 1985-1986 which was statisically one of The most efficient of ALL Title WInning sides? Is at least on a par with your sides of 1996, 1997 and 2008-2009.
Now then since you lot are Always arguing to the effect that whoever wins the title in this country HAS to be a great side no? Then HOW can you argue Dalglish has Never produced Great sides? You can’t – He’s built at Least 3 of them. As to coming back becaue Whiskey-Nose is now retiring? Nothing to do with it – Read his Autobiographies – In both of them – He ALWAYS said/implied he had or felt he had unfinished business with Liverpool – This is him taking care of that business. Also as to your utter crap about not having Fergies “Stamin or hunger for the job”? What total trash!!
You Do know that the Reason he left us originally was that he felt overstressed due to what happened at Hillsborough – It even affected him medically (again, all in his books), He never walked out on us and was even waiting for a call to come back – A call that NEVER came. Our mistake there, not his. As to Blackburn? He was moved upstairs as “Director Of Football” after Winning the title and left after kicking his heels for a year for a new Managerial Challenge – The decision to move him upstairs? Was taken by those ABOVE him and Newcastle? He was sacked by Freddie Shepherd (an example of how Not to be a chairman if ever there was one!!) after Trying to teach the Geordies the basics of defending and causing a near-revolt. Tell me? Where in that lot is there PROOF that he walked Out of any of his clubs? Can’t find any Can you?
“Worried about Fergie”? Complete rubbish – When Dalglish was first our manager and Fergie was the one starting at your midden? He couldn’t so much as lay a GLOVE on us in the League!!! And by your definition of how great Fergie is now due to his exploits in the LEAGUE? That MUST make Dalglish an outstanding manager since All Ferguson’s success against Liverpool? Came Long after Kenny had gone in 1991. Fergie wasn’t fit to lace His boots for a Very long time and had to Wait until he’d long since gone to get anywhere – As I said, all the proof given what Fergie’s gone to since that you need of how good Kenny is/was.
What’s more? Don’t forget to? He undertook all this work During the time of Heysel/Hillsborough etc happening and affecting our club and HIM personally. The fact that most of the families of the 96 have since called for him to be Knighted shows just HOW much work he was doing in addition to being our manager at that time. Now take That along with the strain of keeping us top and ahead of everyone else? And can you see just Why he eventually went in 1991 now? The strain and pressure must have been incredible and it’s a surprise he didn’t go earlier but the fact he was always willing to and eventually Did come back? Shoots down dead Any accusations of him being a bottler. No mate, when you talk of THE great managers and players in English Football? Dalglish? Is right up there – He’s more than earned his place and then some – What’s more he’s done it with grace, class and style to.
By the same token? Whiskey nose through his lack of grace, whining, complaining and general hatred of all things non-United? Has cheapened his own achievements and earned himself Far less credit than he’d otherwise get if he did the impossible and learned How to win gracefully – He doesn’t lay a glove on Bob Paisley for example as a man since he just Can’t accept when he’s lost whereas Bob? Whilst being every bit as good as Ferguson – Admitted when he’d lost and gave credit where it was due but Ferguson? “Different coloured kits, the wrong weather/referees/penalties not given/red cards etc etc” the excuses go on – It’s almost with him like Man U losing? Is an offence against the Nation’s law when in fact? You’ve only lost a game – He should LEARN to get over it and maybe he’ll be liked more in future – Not that I think he will – It’s far to late for that.
Why don’t you go home to your Man U mates my friend and tell them what I’ve told You? Like it or not? The Glazer argument and all else I said IS valid you know? Come on – Do You REALLY think the Glazers will just let the goose that lays the Golden Egg like United Go without Ferguson? Think again my friend – Did you learn NOTHING from the Liverpool Ownership Saga? The Americans Be they Glazers, Hicks, Gillette or Whomever – Won’t let go for Anything – They’ll cling on for Grim Death and milk your club for All it’s worth and Ten Times that. They’re like the worst kind of combination of vampires, limpets and leeches all rolled into one and Until They’re fought and FORCED out? They’ll suck you Dry and utterly destroy your ability to compete from within!!! I feel sorry for you Willierednut I really do. They’ve clearly already started and you Still can’t see it can you?
Didn’t you get the rest of what I said either? United have Already MADE the mistake they shouldn’t have done – They’ve failed during all their years of success to establish a Proper method of succession from Taggart so without Him and all his nous, knowhow, knowledge and ability to run an Empire built and powered entirely by Him? How WILL it go on? “Great man is getting everything in place for the next guy to come in and carry on winning trophies”!! I’ve never heard Such rubbish truly I haven’t.
If it was THAT easy – Then Why didn’t Mourinho at Chelsea do it? Or Graham at Arsenal? Or indeed Kenny at Blackburn? Fergie’s done Nothing about the REAL reason you’ll fall apart without him – The Glazers (and believe me they’re a Lot more than just a ‘Weak Argument’ – Even your OWN fans think so – Else why the laughable “Green & Gold” brigade and all the other protests?). Fact is – without Ferguson whose nous, ability etc is Carrying you ATM since you’ve a team on a par – Certainly no better than most around you (Look at tonight at Newcastle – Played well there didn’t you?) Without him – Your up shite creek without a paddle.
Oh I think you’ll do a lot less than dominate under Fergie – You might not even win trophies when he’s gone – You see in All this? There are Three Salient, Prominent, utterly ESSENTIAL facts you fail to grasp or maybe you Don’t Want to see them, I don’t know; Anyway these differences are? 1) Ferguson Is at some point in the not-to-distant future Going to be seen off at some point either by a rival manager, the Glazers, old age or a combination of the 2) You have nothing Like him ready to take over and NO guarantee that the New Man will be even capable of standing in his Shadow, never mind moving out of it and establishing their own 3)? The Glazers and the damage they are doing behind the scenes Will begin to Really bite at some point and WHEN they do? This Will affect your frontline operation at OT – I.e. your abiity to compete On the pitch and if you think your fans have had reason to moan up until now? Just you wait until This starts happening;
Then? Well then my friend the complaints, fury and howling from your hordes will be heard for hundreds of miles around OT – Maybe then and only then to will your Real fight to get rid of the Glazers will start to because ATM? What your doing against them doesn’t even reach the level of Sad Joke – You haven’t even BEGUN To fight them yet – Not really and it will take a heck of a Lot more than your airy fairy dreams of them being “A poor excuse” to MAKE them go or sell up – Trust me, on this I KNOW. We had similar owners until 6 months ago and had to move Heaven, Earth and Hell to get rid of them. You will to, in time since nothing you’ve done ATM has even Begun to mark them has it? Anyway, you’ll find that out for yourself in time – What damage will they do Until you discover that fact? Well, we’ll see soon enough won’t we? Time will tell as it always does in such cases…………….
“If you think United will go into decline like your inferior club have since 1990″ Really? Judging by the garbage United produced on the pitch tonight at Newcastle? It’s not a case of If you go into decline but Why you have – It’s not a case of will you go into decline or not anymore – You see? The decline’s already begun. As to us being ‘Inferior”. Really? Is that why You, your fellow fans, United fans in general with their pathetic songs and all your media allies NEVER shut up about us? Is that to why your STILL after so long under Captain Rednose chasing Us rather than the other way around? You’d think you’d have caught up by now having had a free ride with us in such turmoil at Boardroom level for so long but no – You can’t even Do THAT can you? No wonder you hate us – Oh, there’s an inferior club here but it isn’t us – Bear in mind the old saying “Those who know don’t talk, Those who talk? Don’t know” – Your the one doing the talking about Us being inferior mate and in context of that saying? It says all I need to know – Deep down? You know it to.
There’s a reason my username is Redshadow you know? It refers to what United are, have been and will remain in – The shadow of England’s True Reds. Like I said and as proven by your constant bleating about position, greatness and “United being here to stay” etc (We are to, we don’t fell the Need to shout it though – We KNOW it) I understand why you hate us mate; I would to if the positions were reversed. Ah well, you live and learn. Anyway me? I think you should now take a chill pill – Breathe out all that repressed hatred of Liverpool FC and calm down – You never know, you might enjoy life more once you’ve done that – There’s More to life than us mate. Take care now and remember to – Since Liverpool didn’t go bust/out of business/cease to exist last October? That above all else – One of the things I said in my previous post to you IS going to happen now – Someday soon? Liverpool FC WILL see of Alex Ferguson – He’ll end his managerial career and We? Will still be there, carrying on as normal once he’s gone; Nothing can now stop that happening. I hope you enjoy that day WHEN it dawns, I know I will………………………..
NB? I think one of your own banners from OT describes us best “Not Arrogant, Just Better” and we KNOW it – Why do you think we Don’t brag about it non-stop and NEVER shut up ranting on about how “we’re here to stay” etc? We don’t NEED to. We leave such infantile practices to your mob and it’s hordes of brainwashed so-called ‘fans’, we’re to busy laughing at them and great entertainment they give us to – Keep it up.
Each post gets longer, and you become even more boring. Go spin that yarn on a scouser blog. You repetitive lonely pint. Fergie > king sour gob
As for your username? How sad are you? Obsessed that much by United lol. You’re my bitch now.
And each of YOUR responses becomes ever shorter, less believable AND contains less answers to points I put to you. Go spin your OWN bitter tale to fellow yernited fans who will listen you repetitve lonely noise in the dark. The King > Taggart whenever you want to put it. And Bob Paisley was greater than BOTH of them.
I’ll tell you the REAL reason your concentrating on attacking Me in your responses though shall I? Simple – It’s a diversion job that Whisky Nose would be proud of no? You just don’t want to FACE the fact that pretty soon? Ferguson WILL be gone, seen off by a rival, old age or whatever, that without him? Your empire is and will prove to be less than nothing and that oh, yes as if it couldn’t get bad enough anyway? The Vampire like Glazers are GOING to be there to finish you off from within When Fergie’s gone as he certainly will in the near future and there’s nothing you can do about it is there? No wonder you want to ignore the facts and have a go at me.
As to the rest? My UserName? It’s in response to hearing SO many Sad Manc’ fans like You doing us down, doing our club down and attacking all we stand for – Just thought I’d remind them (and you) where United are and have been for years. You want to talk about obsessed? This coming from a fan of a club whose fans invent new songs about us year in, year out So obsessed with us are they and that despite their best player BEING a Scouser! And to your end point? No mate, I think You are MY bitch now – look How easily I can draw responses, answers and rants like your last one from you!!! Are you enjoying being my puppet? Your doing a great job so far, keep up the good work……………
I’m in his head. And, you’re thick as fuck. This is a United blog! boring old fart. Kenny ain’t got no heart, or balls either. I can now see why you got banned off rawk. Boring and repetitive. I’ll continue to attack you. It’s funny and I like it. Come on plank, what ya got? I’ll try to stay awake, while you think of something interesting to say…….?????
Bloody hell redshaft what a load of regurgitated cliche you propagate, not a single original thought swimming around in there.
Everton beat us in 95 cos they scored a goal and we didnt turn up, pretty simple really.
He secretly wants to be a United fan. And why wouldn’t he? Man United are more glamorous than the vermin ever were. redshaft lol.
Mattbw? I KNOW Everton beat you in ’95 on an off/didn’t turn up day for you – I simply said the SAME thing happened to US in ’88. How’s what I say ‘Regurgitated’? It’s mostly MY thoughts – Whether others have had THOSE particular thoughts before me? Is immaterial.
Willierednut? Behave mate – I’d rather watch my eyes be put out with hot irons than EVER so much as Consider being a fan of your vulture like copying excuse for a ‘club’. You STILL don’t get it re the Difference between our teams Do You? Glamour Doesn’t come into it – It’s about Winning for us – It always was – United flirted with Glamour and On pitch disaster (including releagation) throughout the 70′s and Most of the 80′s before Finally realising what we Always knew – Winning is what counts – It VALIDATES the so-called Glamour but the Glamour? Is only a side-effect Not the main thing. United fans have never learned that even if their team have.
As to the rest of your crap? You flatter yourself mate – It takes a LOT more than a few tired old cliched insults to get into MY head. I Know it’s a United Blog and If you bestir yourself from our little joust enough to actually LOOK? You’ll see that I was discussing the game on Sunday when I first posted on here and in particular? Having a very big go at Arsenal and Samir Nasri in particular who were pathetic on Sunday – I said NOTHING against United until You waded in with your crap and started attacking me.
Me Boring? Half the crap YOU regurgitate and throw at me non-stop? Is enough to send a tranquilised chimp on Morphiene into a deep, deep coma it’s That boring. As to RAWK? My banning had NOTHING to do with repeating stuff – I told you – I attacked the Mods a tad to ferociously one day and they took exception – Well to that and what I kept posting about action we should have took against our former owners. Your beyond repetitive yourself mate but I’ll Keep attacking You to for the hell of it no? Tell me Moron – What do YOU have? Don’t bother staying awake – I’m sure my next post will be more than enough of a tranquiliser to send you back to sleep – Your more bearable when you say nothing. You want something Interesting?
OK – How about Bob Paisley > Ferguson & Dalglish > Clough, Wenger, Shanks & The Rest. Chew on that. Why don’t YOU think of something interesting to say in response yes?
Redshaft said (amongst other bollocks)Me Boring? Half the crap YOU regurgitate and throw at me non-stop? Is enough to send a tranquilised chimp on Morphiene into a deep, deep coma it’s That boring. As to RAWK? My banning had NOTHING to do with repeating stuff – I told you – I attacked the Mods a tad to ferociously one day and they took exception – Well to that and what I kept posting about action we should have took against our former owners. Your beyond repetitive yourself mate but I’ll Keep attacking You to for the hell of it no? Tell me Moron – What do YOU have? Don’t bother staying awake – I’m sure my next post will be more than enough of a tranquiliser to send you back to sleep – Your more bearable when you say nothing. You want something Interesting?
you had me at Boring!
Sorry Redshaft you posted this
Whether others have had THOSE particular thoughts before me? Is immaterial.
No it isn’t immaterial, my point being we’ve heard it all before and therefore you bring nothing new to the debate, as I said above you had me at “Me Boring”
I’d say going to the dentist, is less painful than listening to this guy. I’m gonna call you Bob. You sound like a Bob. Old repetitive boring Bob. It’s all about winning he says. What do you think United have been doing for 20 years? As I said, thick as shit. More glamorous. Bigger club. The greatest manager to come from these shores, our man SAF. The greatest of all time! ps Rawk have my sympathy. Listening to you must have been torture. 20 years!!!!
Another thing, when you try and banter with someone, don’t use my arguments, I used on you, to use on me. That’s just weak. You were schooled. It’s over, go home.
Ah, we speak again!! One last time to the joust then!!!
No ‘Rednut, My REAL name isn’t Bob – It’s a little longer than that. As to boring and repetitive? You Really don’t get it do you? I put your OWN arguments back against you to SHOW how boring and monotonous You sound – Judging by the slating you’ve Tried to give me here? I did a damn good job of that. And if listening to me is like going to the Dentist? What’s listening to YOU like then? I know, it’s like listening to a thick, drunken, sozzled old tramp ramble on about “The good old day” and go into ridiculous detail and then start ranting against someone or something only He is aware of. Funny at first but annoying after a while. As to you? I think I’ll name you Ed as in, well you can guess no?
What do I think United have been doing for 20 Years? Oh I know but it’s ALSO about winning with style, grace and elegance – Being ‘Good Winners’ as much as you can be ‘Good or Bad losers’? You can be ‘Good or Bad winners’ to. United? Well you don’t even need to LOOK much to see they’re Off the scale with how BAD winners they are. And don’t tell me you’ve done All you’ve done over the last 2 decades with grace or style On and Off the pitch non-stop. Not even close.
Consider You’ve whinged, moaned, complained, media black outed, referee pressured, snide press-conferenced and generally stamped your feet like my little boy whose not yet 2 when he doesn’t get his own way through TWO decades now and your WAY beyond hated. United removing the ‘football club’ from their badge a few years back says it All actually come to think of it. ALL United have been about for 2 decades now is being ‘glamourous’, hype, glitz, glamour and the crap that comes with it etc and in the end?
In the end Ed? THAT will destroy you for it also attracts parasites and THE biggest parasite in Glazer? Has found a perfect host at OT no? See the Other thing I said which was totally my OWN argument and one you stupidly refuse to accept despite it’s logic? Is that ALL era even IF they last 2 decades as in your case or more as in ours? Come to an end. Yours will to. You’ve built, blustered, stamped your feet and Tried to bully your way into unending power. You’re a vile repulsive excuse for a ‘Football Club’ with an equally offensive manager at the helm. You make a mockery of the English leagues claims to be the world’s fairest, most competitive, free from bias etc and in general? You’re an absolute disgrace of a ‘Football’ Club.
In short? All that Ferguson is an absolute eyesore and even the media, PL and FA are sick of you now. Your just marking out time until a downfall that’s SO inevitable it’s laughable that you can’t even see it coming which will make it all the more painful for you WHEN it does. But never mind, United as Fergie built it? WILL be destroyed in time one piece at a time right down to the last bedrock…………..
And to answer the shite at the end of your paragraph? Well if I’m ‘Thick as shit”? What does that make You? For the arguments I used against you were your own and your tried to tear your OWN arguments a new one – Thereby showing how weak They were and how pathetic You are. I might be “thick as shit” or rather not but YOU? Are really one thick bastard to aren’t you to not even SEE where I was leading you with what I was doing no? More glamourous? maybe, Bigger Club? Not a chance – again you contradict yourself – You’ve just Said it’s all about winning and at my time of writing? You lot are Still behind us in what defines a ‘Big Club’ no? Trophies won.
Greatest Manager? Debatable – He learned ALL he knows from Bob Paisley – even HE has admitted it at times – Compare their careers over a similar timespan to Bob’s career with us and you’ll see what I mean Over a 10 year period or so? Bob EASILY matches him which no-one else on the “Great Manager” List comes close to doing though Mourinho might in time. RAWK didn’t have to listen to me for long – I was only on there a year or so before rowing with them once to often. Still haven’t caught up have you? (in person Or your club)
On a final note? I Told you above WHY I used your arguments since you were to thick or dull-witted to work it out and in doing what I did? I think I demonstrated beyond question that your arguments were worse than pathetic no? TRY and do better next time yes. Try and answer MY points to and you might get somewhere. Schooled? I doubt it when I was the one handing out a lesson in how to counterattack which you didn’t even See coming; And yes – I’ll gladly go now.
I’ll go back home now to my little boy and normal life now I’ve finished handing out yet another lesson to the uneducated or just plain stupid on here – Such a shame my posts on here descended to this – A few of your mates were quite talkative at the start you know? About FOOTBALL? What I CAME on here to discuss? You HAD to go and pick a fight though didn’t you? Try and use better arguments than those useless excuses you dredged up next time yes? Then you’ll neither look so stupid nor be so thoroughly embarrassed as you just were. Until next we joust…………..
NB Mattbw? It Was irrelevant whether others had “had those thoughts or not” you know? Because when I had them – It was the first time I was using them and framing them in my OWN words – The same or similar thoughts might have been said a Thousand times before But? Every time they were unique; Since EVERY person had their own way of expressing them, their own words and viewpoint and thus their own unique argument which was that little bit different to anyone else’s way of putting it. You know this no? It’s the difference that MAKES us Humans and not uniform featureless robots All the same as one another – Not that I’d expect a United fan of all people to understand That difference!!!! Still, you live and learn……………….
One more thing ‘Rednut? First You really Do sound like a tramp rambling on inanely about “The Good Old Days” I meant THAT one earlier but something else? Ramble on about ‘Winning, Greatest Manager, 20 years” And other such trash all you like – Sounds disturbingly like “18/5, 26 years, etc” and WHICH set of fans used to say that or more particularly at WHAT point in their history?…………..
Ah yes, it was Us of course at Anfield – And more importantly? It happened at the point our team was at it’s worst in Four decades – Got it yet idiot? Your constant boasting about what is now United’s Past? Sounds suspiciously like the self-same ‘comfort-blanket’ bleating We once did – Your turning INTO what your mob used to laugh at us for and you don’t even Get it yet do you? Mind you – Perhaps I do you a disservice – Perhaps you Do get it and just don’t want to See what IS coming do you? If that’s the case then I tip my hat to you Good Sir along with my utmost sympathies – See your bleating like a hasbeen supporting a team of very-near hasbeens and You know what mate? Your doing so now with very good reason. VERY good reason indeed. But you’ll find that out soon enough……………………..
Take Care now ‘Rednut as you said earlier but aboutfaced with Meaning this time – YOU “were schooled, it’s over”. And why thank you, I think I WILL take your kind offer to go home now to my family – My little boy makes more sense than you anyway and HE’S still a month away from his 2nd birthday. Good day then my good Sir; Until next we joust………………..
Sad lonely cunt ha ha. 20 years!!!!!!!!!!!
Obviously, you were buggered as a kid. Deep rooted problems. I feel sorry for your hardship. You pointed out the same shite we’ve been hearing from sad scousers for a long time. Nothing new, just boring and repetitive old shite. Being schooled isn’t easy, don’t take it to heart mate. 20 years and counting……..
I always get the last word bob lol. Good banter.
A 1st class plum, I think we can all agree.
Redshadow you appear to bask in some world where you think your view points have a new angle or slant merely because you have written them, I believe if you take a little time to inform yourself you will discover that while you think your utterences have new meaning, alas they don’t, its difficult to argue with someone who hides behind that particular type of insularity, What I will offer you is when you come up with an original thought, comment or argument I will debate it with you.
Judging from what I’ve read up to now, I think I’m in for a bit of wait.
Lonely? WHY Would I be lonely when I’ve got a lovely fiancee and a little one to worry about? As to the 20 years CRAP? You’ve just PROVEN me right again you sad stupid fucker. Chant “20 years” All you like but guess what? It Won’t change the future – It Won’t make United great again and without Ferguson And with the Glazer’s to deal with whether he’s there or not? United will be VERY far from being great soon enough.
In fact you know THE worst thing I can say to you now ‘Rednut? (What’s the nut for? Nutter? You clearly sound like one). Anyway the worst thing I can say is this – Now ‘rednut? It’s YOU that sounds like a Liverpool fan in every way – Right down to the cliches and ‘invoking’ of the past to TRY and magically win arguments where you’re on a sticky wicket or losing. Not that it’s done you any good whatsoever here mind – You sound more pathetic and desparate to win than ever*……………
*Last word indeed – If the last word is the inane ramblings of a half-tramp who Knows his team are THAT close to being in the shite BIG time? Ramblings that only an equally stupid mate of his actually considers? Then maybe but The last word? As ever goes to an experienced arguer like me and BTW? It’s not the FIRST time I’ve had the last word of you either – Get used to losing – As a United fan you Will do soon enough.
And no – My upbringing was fine – I shudder to think of YOURS mind. But I’m good enough at forming arguments to not NEED to resort to THOSE tactics – How’s the old saying go? “He who speaks in insults? Has nothing useful or good to say at all” – Sums up your excuses for arguments and insults aimed at me don’t you think? You can think of No answers to what I say or argue so? You Try and turn the conversation into an ‘insults battle’ instead to fight on ground your obviously comfortable on but?
You can’t even do That properly can you? As to what you’ve been “Hearing” from Scousers? “Nothing new” etc? Well guess what? However long it takes and however much we say it? Deride it all you like because One day soon? It WILL be true, ALL of it – It always IS. However big the club and however much the media Try and help them avoid the fate they damn well deserve but? Time gets All of them in the end or in Your case? Time And the Glazers mean THAT day? Might just be here a whole lot sooner than you might think…………….
Being Schooled? No idea how it feels? You tell ME – Your the one whose still digging at 6 feet down and completely out of it having been given a lesson in the noble art of counter-attacking. Carry on humiliating yourself – It’s no skin off my nose……………*
If I’m a plum what are YOU mattbw? A deaf clod maybe? Someone who ONLY sides with his bretheren however STUPID they sound?
As to your other points? As I said, Everyone Is unique – Thier viewpoints Are individual and thus different to everyone else’s however similar they may APPEAR. You want an ‘original’ argument? OK how about answering IF you think United fans by unconditionally supporting the team and Ferguson’s so-called ‘winning’ mentality to the exclusion of ALL else? Are making their future battle to remove the Glazers from the club a lot damn more difficult than it NEEDS to be? For believe me on Two things having experienced the bad end of what they’re doing to your club first-hand -
Firstly; Like it or not? One day soon, that battle WILL come and it will be United fans becoming ‘cyber terrorists’ etc as we once did since attacking them That way is just about the ONLY way to strike them where it REALLY hurts and cause enough damage to eventually shift them.
Secondly? The Longer you leave it before moving en masse against them? Because you’re unwilling to upset the applecart, don’t want to turn on Fergie whose CLEARLY in their camp ATM etc? Well the longer you wait before finally attacking them to REMOVE them? The Harder it will be To remove them in the end and excise them completely from OT. You saw Us last October? With Court Cases bouncing between the UK and US, threats of writs, legal warnings all over the place and ‘Cyber terrorists’ entering the English language to describe the tactics we used that Finally weakened them enough for us to kill them off at Anfield? Well your fight at the current rate? Will be that times TEN at least – Even if you start proper going after them today? At this rate you’ll still be fighting court cases in the Caribbean, Iranian and Far Eastern Courts one after another a decade from now so deeply are they entrenched.
So HERE is my original argument Mattbw – Do you agree with my 2 points? Or do you think like that madman ‘rednut that the Glazers are a ‘weak’ argument to use against United and they’ll just magically vanish somehow in the years to come? See what you come up with in response and believe me mate? IF you agree with ‘Rednut? You might JUST be in for a bit of a shock……………
*Nb ‘Rednut? As I said above? The last word Ed? Not THIS time – Agree re the banter though – Must go now – My little un’s TRYING to type for me and climbing up next to my keyboard. Until next we joust long in the future may that day be………..
Sad and lonely. I get the picture now. He just wants a friend. No one on rawk liked him. He has to come on a United blog, to get a bit of company. Still with the repetitive shite. Nothing new again. He says I’m a nutter, but yet he comes back time and time again. Sad lonely Bob. Don’t worry your little nugget about the Glazers. Nothing to do with Liverpool fans. Obsessed much? Go to your son Bob, he’ll find you less painful and boring, to listen too. That 20 years is getting to you, like I am. If you come back again, the point will be proved. You banter is weak, like king sour gob. Other scousers must cross to the other side of the road, when they see you. Couldn’t blame them. This is my last post on you, mission completed. Schooled a dipper again. Bye.
Ah yet again another witless reply is reeled in from the poster who just loves to be humiliated – I’ll dissect it and embarrass you once more shall I my worthy banter foe?
Anyway; No ‘Rednut – I came here to talk FOOTBALL with some of the more sensible fans on here who’ve Long since abandoned This particular article (Like KingEric) and gone on elsewhere. You remember Football? The sport we claim to support our clubs in and the one your club Claim (ridiculous though it is since your little more than dirt on the boots of the continent’s TRUE heavyweights like Real Madrid, Barcelona and in European Terms? Us) to dominate. You as with a number of United fans I know however had some ridiculous inferiority complex and thus Tried to turn it into a pissing contest for no apparent reason – CLAIMING I have no original arguments and then recycling tired cliches Much, much older than anything I used – Using God only knows how many old truisms to try and insult me and my fellow Reds fans without realising? You are turning into the very thing you Claim We are!!!
As to the RAWK reptetive shite You are citing in your own sad, lonely defence? Wrong again – I had allies and enemies on there as ALL posters do on All blogs, forums etc. The problem I had there was that one particular foe of mine? Was one of the site’s main moderators and I wound him up (or he did Me) once to often. Sad and lonely am I? What does that make YOU then Ed? Bitter, resentful, Equally lonely and venomous Because of the selfsame Glazers you tell me not to worry about? I’m Not BTW? Worried about the Glazers – I’m quite intrigued by what their doing actually and wondering if your fans are all self-important all gob and no action windbags like You are or if some of you will actually get off your arses this side of Doomsday, put in the Hard Yards and remove them from your Club on your own terms and by force as WE eventually did to H & G.
Not obsessed – no, I’ve spent this long arguing with you since I’m stubborn more than anything else – I Refuse to allow the last word to go to someone who recycles the same repetitive shite he accuses Me of spewing out and then? Refuses to so much as TRY and answer My points and questions – Probably because he damn well KNOWS he can’t. Not sufficiently anyway. Oh yes, My little boy’s fine – Thanks for mentioning him – I certainly find him easier to listen to and MUCH less anally retentive, boring and downright sleep-inducing to rowing with you.
You or United getting to me? Don’t flatter yourself mate – I’ll fight you to the finish on here to prove a point but if you were getting to me? Do you think I’d return to embarrass you time after time? And 20 years? Is nothing, a speck, gone in a flash; In 20 years of my life? I saw us dominate for Much longer than that win as many titles as United have recently and MUCH, much more besides – I’ve seen us RETAIN the European Cup, dominate consistently season in, season out at Home And abroad – Both things Whiskey nose has never done and This close to the end of his career? It’s safe to say never WILL do.
I’ve seen in that time to What happens to Empires that persist overlong and their followers who Always end up believing they’re invincible – The empires ALWAYS crumble right down to the last brick and their manager’s achievment’s? However great? Are lost on the sands of time – Ours did and were – Yours will be to…..In time and all the banter, bluster and insults you can conjure up CAN’T change that however much you crap on about me – You know it to – You sound more like a record each time you reply to me and like that self-same broken record? You Still hit all the wrong notes and prove my arguments right with Every reply you type – You laugh at, namecall and insult all you like because you don’t even See it do you? What your accusing Me of being? You’re very fast turning into yourself and not just you either but also? Most United fans now? Bear a very strong resemblence to Us 2 decades or so ago – I wonder why THAT is?
As to me? I’m back – I’ll always be back, argue the points – All of them with you to a standstill. You’ll prove Nothing to me whatever point you think you’ve won you really think you can outargue someone who works in Law? And the King? As I said before and you never answered – IF he’s so weak? How come Fergie, United and All their might? Couldn’t lay so much as a Glove on us UNTIL long after he’d gone before? And how is it in the 2 meetings since he’s returned? You won one with a dive and a ridiculous red card and were utterly humiliated in the other? And how to has he turned a team that was in the bottom 3 only 6 months ago? Into one almost matching your precious United for form in the league over the last few games in recent months? One that by the damage it’s done in that time to the other ‘Big 4′ clubs? Most especially Chelsea and last week? Arsenal – Might very well WIN you the league this year? And don’t tell me Ferguson Would manage that if the situations were reversed – When did He last have a team as weak as we were in October? And When he did? What were his results? Answer that one if you can.
And no, I get on fine with other scousers, a few Mancs, Southerners, Everton, Chelsea fans – You name them. I number ALL of them amongst my friends – It’s just the obsessed ones who insist on flogging dead horses like Yourself that I have issue and argue with. My last post back to I think – humiliated a Manc’ skiprat yet again. Bye for now. Until next we meet whenever THAT may be; Not that you’ll learn anything in the meantime – You can’t teach anything to those who are incapable of listening can you? You’re a FINE example of that……….
NB If I CAN’T embarrass you at will? How come you’ve popped up Chock-Full of bluster and No answers to genuine points and questions after my last 3 or 4 posts After having before each of them was written? And after Declaring That this would be your LAST post to me? Then proceeded Each time to present me with a Perfect target in another windbag generated rant that’s the online equivalent of a drunken old tramp rambling on and ranting about better days and just RIPE for dissection and further embarrassment for you, it’s author. A glutton for punishment are you?
Anyways – You won’t resist again will you? I anticipate yet Another repetitive rant ripe for destruction a few hours after you read this – Let’s see If the bait reels you in once more shall? Here fishy-fishy, come and get it – Like shooting fish in a barrel this. OK ‘Rednut Let’s see if you do silence as well as you do bluster, rubbish and tramp impressions in Fergie’s honour – I’m betting you can’t, yet again. Go on, prove me wrong – If you can……………..
What’s that phrase about empty vessels, can’t quite remember…………………………………………….
Oh just so you know I’m not siding with anyone, just commenting on what I read take the time to view some of my posts in the forum section and you will see I often take my fellow fans to task where I feel its needed .
I have to concede though at least they elicit a response on the point they raise alas for you I don’t read anything of merit that’s worthy of a direct reply.
Point proved Matt. Lets go and let Bob the nomad, drown in his own boring repetitive self.