Why is that seemingly ever transfer we’re involved in has to contain the words ‘saga’? We take forever to get our business done these days!
The Carlos Tevez ‘saga’ has been rumbling on for some time now. Whilst in the summer the club acknowledged that the deal would be resolved in “October, November or December”, according to David Gill, we are now in January and no further along. Talks haven’t even begun!
Tevez has remained admirably patient throughout though, biding his time on the bench and re-affirming time and again how much he wanted to stay at the club. But that patience could only last so long…
“I want everybody to know no offer has been made,” said Tevez. “I don’t like that they [United] are playing with our fans, who show their love to me in each match. I want to stay but the club have not made any offer. I’ve been waiting for them for a year and a half. I didn’t like him [Sir Alex Ferguson] saying I didn’t like the offer I was made because neither my agent nor me were given one. I don’t know anything on my future. United know what they must pay if they want me to stay. If I have to quit the club, I want to quit on good terms. Now all clubs are on an equal footing. If a club comes to me and offers me a five-year deal, I will accept it for peace of mind. I will sign my last contract, and then I figure that I’ll go back to Boca [Juniors]. That could be in four or five years.”
Before we all cry foul, these quotes were taken from a live interview on Radio del Plata, with Tevez being given a week off to return to Argentina. I’ve looked at the reports emerging from Argentina and the translation to English conveys the same message. He wants to stay but he’ll sign a five-year deal with a club that comes and shows interest. More interest than we’re seemingly showing, other than complimentary lines from Ferguson in the press every now and again.
The question of money keeps arising. Do we want to spend £32 million on a player who has largely featured on the bench this season? Yep, it’s a lot of money, but that’s what he costs. He’s proven himself a success at United and he’s worth every penny. Berbatov has been the new signing so has been afforded a starting place to allow him to gel, just as Tevez was he first joined. All it takes is for Rooney to break his foot again (God forbid) and our striking options are Berbatov and Danny Welbeck. End of story. But do we really want to spend £32 million on Tevez, or should we offer £15 million for Jermaine fucking Defoe instead? I hear Craig Bellamy is on the market for less than that!
Don’t fuck this one up United.
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No. It mustn’t be this way. Whatever his shortcomings, professionalism and passion aren’t part of them. I’d rather have him stick around than be floated off to another club and be remembered as the guy who was loaned because he was not exactly worth the buy but was worth the time while he stayed. Damn Gill if he lets this lad slip by under his nose! I’ll never forgive him after what Tevez has shown in terms of sheer spirit! Bastards at United need to learn how to make a good deal once in a while. He’s better than all the other strikers in the league except the very elite like Roo, Berba, Torres and that MOTHER F@CKING CUNT that is Drogba. Wake up Fergie! Please!
f-in hell. fergie/gill SORT IT NOW! if we lose tevez, you will not be forgiven.
and i’m tired of the bitching and moaning about him being worth 32 million. he IS.. and we HAVE the money. so why not just pay it? and everyone can shut it about him being so expensive. if you have the cash.. and you have a player who so clearly loves our club, busts his ass for us.. and gets such important goals and results.. what more is there?
personally, i will be FUMING if we lose out on tevez. its just maddening that, as scott noted, we have another f-in SAGA to contend with. what the hell are we waiting on…
If you paid 31 million for Berbatoss, I can’t fathom how you still havn’t tied Tevez down yet. Proven quality and a match winner. Obviously I’m hoping he does one. Time will tell!
didnt he come out a few days ago saying how he wants to stay at united and will sort his future out with us at the end of the season?
tevez is getting a raw deal,i feel favouritism might be at play,ronaldo is acting and playing like he doesn’t want to be here and berbatov hasn’t fitted in yet,but both are picked week after week over tevez.fergie dug his heels in instead of getting by reports 80 mill for ronaldo and payed way to much for berbatov,by playing tevez over either he would be admitting he made mistakes probably in both.we only won the two biggest cups last year with tevez scoring 20 goals i don’t understand any of this except it being about fergie’s ego
I might get slated for this but once again I am on the clubs side
Tevez is a cracking little player but if the club don’t want to hand 32 million to his owner then they don’t have to. People say ‘if rooney or berbatov got injured…’ but we can buy a replacement. It doesn’t have to be defoe or bellamy. Look at Arsenal, with Adebayor. There are lots of unknown quality strikers out there who will be much cheaper. 32 Million for a player who will sit on the bench and who himself said he wants to leave in a few years to go back to Boca anyway? Nah United are right
Tevez has actually had his fair share of games to be fair Wayne
He just hasn’t impressed in many. Fergie clearly prefers Rooney and Berbatov. fair enough
RE Wayne. First of all it comes down to a choice between three strikers.
Secondly
‘ i don’t understand any of this except it being about fergie’s ego’
erm no mate. Its because he has just spent 31 million on berbatov and 17 million on two young serbs. We don’t have money to burn as much as people seem to think. If we can get a good price for Tevez, I am sure we will but I can’t see it because his owner is a stubbon man
get yar fucking cheque book out and sign him gill, if you dont, you will never be forgiven…..dont be a kenyon…..argentina, argentina.
Take the sentiment out of it, it’s simple economics….Tevez is not worth £32 million. See if any other club bids that! United agreed the price when they did the loan and now the market price for him would be less, two years older, not as many goals as may have been expected and now Welback and Campbell coming through. Let the Manc and Huddersfield lads get their chances next season
spencer.. what you seem to forget is that we have known the whole time what tevez costs.. and while you can always pick up a “striker” you can’t always pick up a player of tevez’s skill and impact on the pitch.
also tevez is saying he’ll return to boca in 5 years.. that will put him at 29 when he plans to go back. thats AGES and an incredible amount of time to be worth his fee. all along united have been saying they have already put aside the money for carlito so this should be a no brainer. he’s already gelled with this team, knows the United way of football and is comfortable in the prem.. these are all factors in looking at an “unknown” like you say. those things take time to acquire… tevez already has them… unknowns dont.. and time is money.
so at the end of the day.. what is the real cost of losing tevez? imo, THAT’s the cost i dont think we can afford
The man is class, and if we gave him a permanent contract he would stay for atleast 5 years like he said and then go to Boca, 5 years of a quality passionate footballer to me is definatly worth 32 million.
I fucking love Tevez i take my Argentina flag to all the games, if he leaves i will fucking loose it.
ARGENTINA ARGENTINA!!
I really dont think we will ever see the best of the little argentinian unless we sign him on a permanent deal..
My only issue and maybe the clubs issue is that he wants to return to Boca in 4 or 5 years…
Now if that his Carlito’s stance and wish then £32m is a lot to splash out on an investment that you know straight away is gonna walk after 4 or 5 years for possibly nothing… coz lets put it this way… how much of a transfer fee could we demand off Boca..?? They are brassic and always have been…
That is my only concern…
Now if Tevez was to say he would play till he was 31 or 32 at OT and give us a good 7 or 8 years then the £32m talked about would be a really wise investment.
I agree with Spencer on this. Don’t want Tevez to go but I’m not going to hold a grudge over Gill or Sir Alex if he leaves.
Have faith in their ‘future’ plans.
do you realize if we let him go.. he will likely end up at one of the following:
- real
- chelski
- scouser hell
- arse
i can hear those bastards sniffing around already. how not worth it will he seem when he’s playing against us?? i think the 32 mill would suddenly seem less of a burden….
You never know what is round the corner. Arse would never splash out £32m on any player.
re spencer.what i’m saying last year the speed,understanding and interchangeability between roony and tevez was outstanding and they like playing with each other.berbatov although a great player has slowed down the attack we are not as fluid as last year and although ronaldo says hes happy body language and his overall play this year suggests different in my opinion these are the main reasons why the goals aren’t coming.i don’t think tevez is getting a fair deal
He is worth that kind of money(FFS,Luka Modric,player unproven in Premiership has paid around 15 mil. and hasn’t show anything special yet).
Tevez loves our club,doesn’t make troubles when find himself on the banch,gives 120 % every time he play and lifting team spirit(and my too) so I hope he will stay.
If we spend £32m on Carlos Tevez, it will be one of the worst peices of business the club has done in years.
Yes, we love him. Yes, he gives 100% and will pop up with the odd goal. However, he’s worth nowhere near that sort of figure. It’s an extraordinary fee, and he’s far from an extraordinary player. He’s got fantastic work-rate, but he slows our play down. He always wants an extra touch.
Despite our fantastic success last season, I don’t feel that he works well with Rooney. Ask Wayne who he prefers playing with, and it’ll be Berba 100%. They both take up the same positions….most of this season, Tevez has spent his time playing an odd role that’s something between a defensive and attacking midfielder.
£32m for a marginally more talented Alan Smith? No thanks. Cheers for last season though Carlos – it was unforgettable.
Fergie, SIGN HIM!! He’s a loyal quality lad. He’s wort every cent. I wish things get sorted. I cannot phantom what will happen if one of the current strikers gets injured. Welbeck’s good, but not excellent like Carlitos!
comparing tevez to alan smith is just stupid
“You never know what is round the corner. Arse would never splash out £32m on any player.” Is that why they’re heading for mid table mediocrity?
Tevez knows that he won’t be going back to Boca on a ‘free’. UTD will swap him for 3 or 4 of Boca’s up-and-coming youngsters. In that regard Tevez’s desire to play out his career at home shouldn’t be a consideration in UTD trying to complete a permanent move. The only factor to be taken into account is whether he can help the club to achieve further honours this season. Last season proved he can.
Signing Tevez for £32m would be utter, utter madness.
He’s a nothing player. He’s a fatter, slightly more threatening Dirk Kuyt.
I love the man,I love his passion, I love his attitude and he is a great player but is he worth £32,000,000? I would love to see United sign him but SAF and Gill are not gonna be held to ransom by a third party. Have we any say at all in who we can sell him to as would hate to see him be able to sign for Rent boys or fascists or dippers?
22mill would be more like it, 32 no chance!!
Everything’s right but the fee, it seems.
But then, don’t we overpay for players anyway? Rio, £30m (could have had him for much less 6 months earlier IMO). Seba, £27m. Carrick, £18m. Hargreaves, £17m. Nani, £14m. Berbatov, £31m.
The Tevez fee doesn’t look so much out of place in such perspective and could even be argued to be a bit of a snip (with the possible exception of Rio (never thought I’d hear myself say that!)).
I think tevez is fantastic, without goals at Blackburn, Spurs, Lyon etc we wouldn’t of won the double. He is proven, did a terrific job in his first season. Also has great heart, ability (never seems to get tackled) and would decline all clubs to stay with UTD. This is more important to me as it should be for utd that we have a true passionate utd player, that wants to play for the club, and will see out his contract.
People say how similar roo and tev are…yeah maybe…but how class do we think rooney is…top class! to consider any striker in the same catergory as him says something…doesn’t it.
Fergie it will be a terrible terrible shame if we dont sign him, if we sign him maybe he’ll relax more and become more ruthless in front of goal.
I’d hate to see Real get him…they don’t desire players like him.
In this new economic climate, only ManShitty would pay 32 million for Carlitos.
I love the way he plays, I love his passion, I love his YouTube videos, but the fact remains that he is third choice behind Rooney and Berbatov. Unless SAF can find a way to play these three together with Ronaldo then the price-tag is prohibitive.
I for one thinks Tevez is a great asset to the team. Total commitment, heart, and loyalty to the team. He always gives 150% and works his socks off on the pitch. The up and coming youngsters can really take a note from this top bloke as to what loyalty, and professionalism is. The same can only be said about only a handful of modern players.
This is why I was so down on berbatov. Soon as we got him Tevez was gone.
SAF has decided to change the way we play and go for the conatona sheringham yorke type player in berbatov and no doubt a really apcey forward like Rooney/benzema to lead the line with him. Thus Tosic being bought. Thus the “No more wing for ronney” comment.
Seems like preparation for ronaldo being sold as well. Clearly the team was built around him and now its being built around berbartov.
It’s fucking pissing everyone off…..just fuckin sign the lad
Comparing Berbatov with Tevez is like comparing a fine banquet with a Happy Meal from McDonalds.
Berba is different class – and certainly the connoisseurs choice.
PLEASE WE ALL NOW TEVEZ IS WORTH THE MONEY. PLEASE!! TEVEZ IS A PROBEN VALUE, A REGULAR FOR EVERY FUCKING ARGENTINA NATIONAL TEAM MANAGER SINCE HE WAS 19 !! TEVEZ HAS WON THE WORLD CUP WITH BOCA, HAS WON THE COPA LIBERTADORES (HARDEST CUP ON PLANET), AND HELPED US BIG DEAL LAST YEAR WINNING LEAGUE AND CHAMPIONS.
TEVEZ IS THE EXACT PLAYER WE NEED IF WE AIM TO WIN NOT ONLY ONE CUP. YOU CANT PLAY BERBA AND ROONEY 3 TIMES A WEEK, AND CAN-T RELY ON GOODBUTYOUNG 18YO DANNY WELBECK. 32 MILLIONS FOR THIS PLAYER, WHO CAN GIVE US DE PRIDE OF SAYING WE RE DOUBLE OR TREBLES WINNERS!!
A PLAYER WHO, AS ROONEY, EVERY FAN IN THE WORLD WOULD LOVE AS HE SHOWS RESPECT FOR THE CLUB, AND LEAVE HIS SKIN IN EVERY PLAY ON EVERY MATCH AS HE WAS PLAYING FOR HIS OWN COUNTRY.
YES, TEVEZ IS WORTH THE MONEY. HE-S 23 FOR GOD SAKE… GOD HELP UNITED IF GILL/FERGIE MISSES TEVEZ… AND GOD HELP THEM TOO.
This whole situation is a joke to be honest, United dont intend to go ahead with the deal its quite obvious, they are not making the right noises in trying to say how much they want him.
If only we had put in this effort to sign Tevez the summer just gone, rather then splashing the same amount of money on Berbatov. I dont hold that against Berbatov before you say, its nothing to do with him of course, I would just rather we had kept Tevez on a permanent deal and not signed Berbatov.
It will be a bloody shame if he goes, I absolutely love the bloke, his passion and commitment can never be questioned, I would want him in my side every day, hel fight even when things arent going well.
We will be losing a genuine fan favourite in Tevez, I would only wish him well when he leaves the club. We quite obviously have to sell to afford the transfer fee, well I would put Nani on the market, who quite frankly is absolute shit apart from a thunder bolt of a shot.
getting a little worried now,but i have to say 32m is a hell of a lot of wonga,love him to stay but if it cant be worked out we have to get another striker in in the summer.
Redtildead: Berbatov and Tevez are two completely different players even tho they play upfront, but I bet you if you asked the other 19 managers in the premiership who they would rather have in their side, the high majority would choose Tevez including clubs supporters.
The fact all the big names of Europe have shown aj interest in Tevez shows his value, the fact no European giant apart from United showed an interest in Berbatov tells you everything also. I dont know how many times I have to repeat myself, Berbatov has acheived nothing in his career and is 28, hardly a class apart from the rest. He drifts in and out of games, he isnt good in the air for someone of his size, he lacks pace, he lacks strength for someone of his size, and he lacks bloody passion, he didnt even bother celebrating his first goal for the club of his supposed dreams, hardly someone to excite us fans.
Tevez quality and work ethic is nearly unmatched in our squad and for that matter in the EPL. He is a constant threat on the pitch and losing him would be a gigantic lost to the team. He keeps our team for dipping in form when we need to rest Rooney or Berba. Other have pointed out that as soon as Berba was bought at that price tag it seemed clear that Tevez’s fate was sealed as Fergie sometimes get tunnel vision with certain players. I wasn’t a fan of the Berba move as I thought we had enough quality cover in the forward position. I am huge fan of Tevez and give him a lot of credit for us reaching the heights we did last season with some absolutely crucial goals.
United paid 32 million for Berba, and Tevez (in my eyes) is a better player than Berba. Berba maybe more technical but Tevez, for me, is a better player due to his work ethic, speed, strength, and the example he sets for those around him. If we believe Berba is worth 30, Tevez is worth 30+. I don’t believe, however, that Berba was worth 30+ nor do I believe Tevez is. I do want to sign him permanently but not at that high of a fee, unless Ronaldo leaves. If Ronaldo leaves we need to secure Tevez for stability and bring in more this off-season. If Ronaldo stays he is surplus to requirements and not worth that type of fee.
It is shame that this could not be kept behind close doors but at least we know where Tevez stands. He wants to be a Red Devil but on his terms, and in my eyes he has earned that with his performance last season. If he stays I will be very pleased, but I am staying pessimistic to avoid disappointment.
I shouldnt be slating Berbatov at all really, I should be slating Redtilbloodydead, for saying comparing Berbatov to Tevez is like comparing a fine banquet to a happy meal.
Tevez has scored countless important goals for the club and we would never have acheived the success we had last season without him, he played a massive part in what was the second most successful season in our clubs history! Your just a bloody prick in all honesty to talk about him like that.
Agree completely Kevin, when the team need to dig out a result when we are not playing well you would want Tevez in your side every day of the week! He has so much guts, he refuses to know when he is beating, all Argentinians are of a strong mentality, they have a fighting quality that you can not put a price on! He has quality to go with it aswel, he linked up brilliantly with Rooney last season.
When I make the trip to Old Trafford every week I like to be acknowledged by the players which is a rare thing these days. Gary Neville as he always does claps every section of the ground no matter the result without fail, I massively appreciate that small gesture, Tevez himself interacts with the fans, he celebrates his goals with the fans, unlike Berbatov who doesnt even bother celebrating his at all.
RedTilDead – Love the name but have to disagree. Berba is a quality player that shines with class. Excuse this next metaphor but Berba is like a beautiful ballet dancer and Tevez is a pop and lock it street performer. Berba has grace, technique, and a nearly flawless game. Tevez never gives in, never stops working, and has tons of quality, just not as much as Berba.
If I had to pick I would choose Tevez everyday of the week because he will do whatever it takes to win, on the other hand I don’t see Berba leaving himself on the field like Tevez does. I’ll take the street performer over the ballet any day of the week, and during the summer I argued on this site that buying Berba was a mistake and would slow Tevez down, and so far I have been proven exactly right.
Please, Tevez is well worth the money and I will share some reasons:
- Tevez is a proben player. He has won the Copa Libertadores (arguably hardest cup on earth) with Boca. He won the Club World Cup. He has been a regular for every bloody Argentina senior team manager since he was 19.
- Tevez is a true Man Utd player. Do we want talented players who truly leave their skins in every play on every match ?? A player who make English and all over the world fans (like me) cheer ARGENTINO even when he is now playing?
Do we want a player who is a WINNER, wins games for every team he has played (remember that last game of West Ham 2006 against us). Would you pay 32 mill for Ole Gunnar Solsjkaer?
- Tevez has shown the RESPECT we all want for the team given his situation. Not like Ronaldo, for example.
- Tevez is 23 years old, have many years ahead of him to HIT other teams for is.
- All teams in Europe, with fukin Real Madrid in front of the line, are waiting for us to fail to get him on a 5 year deal (by the end of THAT deal, he will be 28, one year less than Berva).
- Dont you think we can get him on a 5 year contract and, if he doesnt result (which I find very hard), sell him for good money in three years when he will be 25???
I definetely think Carlos Tevez is HELL OF A DEAL for United at this time.
As a diehard Red from across the pond with limited access to the EPL (damn foxsoccerchannel) but with Boca Juniors on seemingly every day I have to admit to looking forward to seeing the little Argentine pitbull in action with Boca in the FUTURE! As has been stated before he brings a huge lift to the side when he hits the pitch. Tho sometimes he does seem to get carried away with trying to dribble the ball thru a bunch of defenders, invariably losing possession, instead of doing a Berba and slotting the ball to an open teammate quickly. The good thing is that it seems to piss him off and he goes into attack mode to get it back (love that) whereas Berba generally tosses his hands in the air if one of his passes happens to go astray and then he goes back to trotting around a la Rudd for a while till play comes back to him.
32 mil is a huge number, one commensurate with a regular starter, not the 3rd choice coming off the bench no matter how talented. But perhaps we’re looking at this in the wrong way . . . Perhaps SAF sees the Rooney/Berbatov/Tevez hydra not as individuals but rather as intrinsic parts of a whole, part of a rotation of talent that he uses differently
as dictated by the opponent. If that is indeed the case then I personally think that the deal will get done. Perhaps now that Tevez has stated his position a little more impetus to getting the deal done will be forthcoming from Gill/Fergie.
I hope so! I’d love to do the quint – World/Carling/FA/Prem/European Cup Holders, now That has a nice ring to it!!!
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For all the posturing and discussions about what he’s worth, that’s not the main issue here. The main issue is partnerships. Berbatov is clearly a favourite of Fergie’s, as is Rooney. I cant see anything breaking those two up for 3-4 years now, especially is Berba fits in as he occasionally has shows he can and Fergie clearly believes he will. Yes, it’s been a slow start,but it took Cole a few years before he started showing the form we remember him for.
Ferguson has always generally liked one striker who drops deep and link up play, and one who looks to get in behind (cantona, sheringham yorke, and cole, van nistelrooy, solskjaer as examples). Berbatov is obviously earmarked as the player who will drop deep, while Rooney is expected to further grow into a true front-running player, which he has slowly been doing for years now. For the balance of the squad we’d be better off with a goal poacher who looks to get in behind than Tevez and his style of play. Take Owen for example (someone who i think we will be heavily linked with in the summer, although we made a huge mistake not putting up a fight for Huntelaar!!) and what he’d bring to the squad. If Rooney is injured, he’d play ahead of Berbatov. If Berba is out, Rooney would drop deep with Owen ahead of him. And he’s a completely different player to Rooney and Berbatov, therefore giving us more options. Now i’m not a moron, i’m aware that we won everything last year with Rooney and Tevez, but everyone could see us crying out for another option in games when we we’re chasing a goal and our success was more down to Ronaldo’s goal’s than the Rooney – Tevez partnership. I guess what i’m saying (in a long winded way) is that Ferguson seems happy to allow Tevez to leave, as long as he can bring in someone in the Owen-Van Nistelrooy-Huntelaar mould to replace him, with Campbell, Wellbeck, and Manucho backing them up. Let him go, let us move on, and let us not pay over the odds for another Rooney type player.
The Tevez ‘saga’ as we now called it is getting me worried.
I don’t believe in all the media reports, but some of it are truths.
I for one thinks it will be sorted out, but pleeeze manutd/alex/gill, hear what the fans are saying & act upon it NOW!
Like I wrote earlier, 32 million is a lot of money for the third-choice striker AND IF his remarks about wanting five more years in Europe before returning to finish his career with Boca Juniors are also true then I would back the hard line that Gill/SAF seem to be taking in these negotiations.
IF the reports from the Argentine radio interview are true then Carlitos is playing a very dangerous “game of chicken” with SAF. He should remember the old saying about SAF – “yeah though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I fear no evil for I am the meanest son-of-a-bitch in the valley.” Don’t fuck with Fergy.
Tevez is absolutely worth £32million and he should be offered the chance to sign no questions asked.
he is almost always injury free and has great speed, agility, touch and he comes up with big goals in tough, tight games (esp last season: chelski, rovers, spurs) and had it not been for some of these results last season who knows?
I really feel that he could have a big impact on our champions league chances (remember how good it was in 99 knowing you had ole on the bench?!) and should anybody be injured or suspended (rooney i love ya but unfortunately im looking at you!) he will prove vital.
He also has that special instinct to score goals and take chances first times that can be very necessary in the games between the other big 4 and champions league, just look at all his goals last season. all big goals,
I kinda feel that some people on this thread may have forgot the good times from last season. I never want to see United as purely a big buying team like the franco
scumbags real madrid or chelski, and even more importantly I would hate to see Tevez there, which is what could easily happen with Tevez’s agent.
The United way (as I see it), is that we are prepared to buy but the important thing is the right attitude. e.g Rooney, rio, vidic, EVDS, carrick and yep you guessed it, tevez.
Yes one big transfer a season if we can afford/need it, and the pursuit of exciting young talent around the globe (which might I add United are remarkable at, possebon, da silva, manucho, schmeichel, solskjaer, kanchelskis & more)
I dont see any point in searching for another striker who is in his physical prime, experienced in both premiership and champions league football and fits the team when we have all those qualities in tevez! Anybody with those kinds of qualities will cost in excess of £32m anyway! ibrahimovic – £50m+, messi £same or even more? they are similar players and tevez could easily be as good. theres no point always thinking the grass is greener on tuther side!
SIGN TEVEZ NOW
“We have not started talks with Manchester United yet, though I am keen to stay,” he said. “Sir Alex has told me he wants me to remain a United player and that is certainly my desire too.
“My contract ends in the summer and we have agreed to sit down at the appropriate time and discuss a new contract. Nothing I have heard from the club suggests it will be otherwise.”
Why the latest statements after saying the above only Sunday?
“I don’t like that they [United] are playing with our fans, who show their love to me in each match”
this is exactly what i feel…Tevez was so crucial in us winning the trophies last season..and the fans love him…for people saying he is not worth 32 million…what he did for us last season itself is more than enough to justify the price(if it is true)…and about his statement about going to Boca that is understandable…5 years more of Carlitos would surely make him a legend at Man utd.
Look. I watch United nowadays for exciting talent like Tevez. Everyime he gets the ball im like, go ahead lad, show em wachyougot. But 32 fucking million is definitelly off the hook! He is one of my favourite players in utd but think what you could do with 32!
David Villa 20-25 mil could do it seeing as how valencia are knee high in shit,
WE could have bought huntelaar but now its too late (15 mil)
Podolski (10-15 mil) is more in the out and out striker mould
Klose? Maybe not (10-15mil)
I would like ribery to shore up the wings (sorry nani and park)(20mil)
There ARE strikers out there who can do the job for us and while they dont hound defenders like tevez does, he sometimes runs like a headless chicken and while its a dead joy to watch the running dont usually come to anything. I say get one of the players (or even 2 with 32 mil) and send tevez on his way.
TEVEZ=COMPLETE LEGEND!
I love Carlos Tevez but i have watched some worrying signs from the United camp that indicate he won’s stay.I have learned to live with that and i will cherish the two seasons(especially the first) he spent with us.You know what is disappointing?How the club have handled the matter.First SAF keeps Tevez on the bench hoping to devalue him.When he sees how priceless Carlos is to the team he abandons that tactic and does something worse:he puts words in the player’s mouth.That is unacceptable.Carlos Tevez and every United fan would have been understanding if the club had been upfront and said:”We can’t pay what we once agreed upon”.And i agree with them.With United’s financial situation they shouldn’t be forking out 32mil like that.Why we spent that ammount for Berba and not for Tev is another subject for another time.Now what do we have?We are half way into the season and one of our 3 main strikers is disgruntled.Nice.Maybe Welbeck will get more games.
“Andrei Arshavin is threatening to buy himself out of his contract at Zenit St Petersburg or go on strike to secure his dream move to England. Arsenal are interested in signing the Russian international but have baulked at the £20m asking price. (Daily Express)”
I know the story is in the Express and Tevez is a better player than Arshavin but the fact is that he’s overpriced in comparison to other top players around Europe.
We will always get quoted higher prices than Arsenal because they all know we’ll pay over the odds but even still £32 mill is a lot of cash. I love the guy but at the same time would prefer to see Campbell and Wellbeck fulfill their potential with Utd.
In the meantime we could pick up a solid and hardworking striker like Kevin Doyle for about £12 mill.
Tevez’ attitude, application and work ethic remind us all of players from times past. We’d all love our players to show the desire and determination he shows in practically every game. He seems a good honest lad, straight talking and not interested in the bullshit that surrounds the game. Whether that translates to an extra €10 mill in value I’m not convinced but I could be very wrong.
I would have preferred that we sell CR7 in the summer for £100 mill, keep Carlos and grab the top three young talents in the world. But in Fairness I haven’t won 10 Premiership titles, 5 FA Cups, 2 Champions Leagues etc etc. So I’ll leave the management to the big man.
Yeah, that’s what a player gets 4 helping United win UCL,EPL,CWC & scoring 27 goals & priceless injury time winners & equalisers in 1.5 seasön loan term. Despise him .
So these comments border on anger and frustration when just the other week, as you pointed out in an article, he was speaking from a totally different frame of mind.
He was claiming he’s relaxed about things, he’d said that the deal would be sorted at the end of the season like it was always meant to be.
If I am honest, I can totally understand him becoming a bit disillusioned, maybe feeling second best. However, I am sick of players making demands on the back of their agents. When United want you and you want United, surely some patience is needed. A 2 year loan deal was always the case, he was always going to have it sorted by the end of this season and now we see him playing games, threatening to join another club if a deal is not offered, trying to force our Clubs hand. I love Tevez, I want him to stay but I don’t like anyone doing that to us.
Another one is Tosic, apparently stalling on a deal due to his huge wage demands? I am sure we’re not paying the guy the minimum wage, so why when a player from Serbia, who I have only heard of since United showed interest, is asked to join the biggest club in the world, he stalls because of money?
Don’t cry for me Carlos Tevez!
if we have to pay £32m then they can’t very well turn round and offer him for £20m to Real so they will have to drop the price
Im in two minds about the whole situation to be fair. Yeah, like almost everyone I love the lads attitude and workrate, and in an ideal world would want to keep him. But I also agree that it is alot of cash, and we dont really know what way the purse strings are at the club.
But the bottom line is that I trust Fergie to do the right thing here, be it keep him, or sell him. He knows more about what he wants from a player, and what financially we can and cant do, and is probably already looking two or three player purchases ahead (and also of promoting existing young players through the squad).
So what ever Fergie decides to do, I’ll go along with, he hasnt done too bad for us so far…
We also have to take something else in consideration:next summer we could very well lose CR7.Losing both Tevez and Ronaldo will be a HUGE setback.But even if we don’t lose Ronaldo,where are we going to find a prolific goalscorer of Man.United quality to replace Carlos?There are not many around at the moment.
Costas, Tevez is hardly prolific, his real qualities are his work rate and commitment.
I am with North Stand on this, he is a top lad superb attitude but it is a hell of a lot of money for someone who has scored 2 league goals, maybe it is time for Gill to break a habit of a lifetime and negotiate.
tevez is a fantastic player but i agree that 32 mil is a lot to pay. in this modern day, winning trophies is what it really comes down to – especially with the owners. if the economic situation was a bit different, maybe tevez would get a contract. i thought the loan fees were 10 mil and another 22 mil would be paid at the end of the loan??? its especially difficult for tevez to get a new deal when youngsters like welbeck and campbell are showing a lot of promise. at the end of the day, football in the premiership is business and tevez will be unfortunately surplus.
I didn’t mean he was prolific in a Van Nistelrooy kind of way,i ment that he works tirelessly as well as that he comes up with crucial goals when it counts.If i didn’t say it correctly,my bad.The fact that he has 2 league goals is hardly his fault considering how he has been utilised.When you look back to last season,Tevez kept us alive at Lyon,at Tottenham and at Blackburn.Can Welbeck or Campbell do that?I will say this.If our plan is to let Tevez go and have Rooney,Berba,Welbeck and Campbell as our attacking quartet,it will be a major turn off.
Kevin Doyle? Not good enough for United in my opinion, maybe Spuds or Arse but not us.
David Villa for £20Million?- We will never get him for that.
If what the papers are saying is true about Tevez and joining the fascists comments this will really wind SAF up. People should know by now not to play games with him. Negotiations are necessary .
If Tevez doesn’t play, or start, against Derby than we can wave goodbye to our “electric mouse”.
It is difficult because Tevez is a United player and know one wants to see him leave, but on the flip side I am fed up with us paying over the odds for players, there has to be a middle ground.
In my view Gill needs to neg these transfers better, Carrick, Berba, Hargo, and even before Gill Rio, the list is endless with our long drawn out transfer saga’s and in the end we have payed a hell of a lot of money for these players all I will say are great, but surely we can negotiate better?
One Rooney is enough. Just compare the atacking force when Rooney plays with Berba and Rooney with Tevez. Berba brings smth special to our team and Fergie knows that. SAF has made mistakes during his reign of course, but you just shouldn’t play mind games with him, thats for sure. No one is bigger than United (c)
If we compare the 2006-2007 season and the first season with Carlos i would say with Rooney and Saha we played the better season. 2007-2008 we were lucky in the CL final and didn’t play in EPL as well as the prevous season. I don’t exactly adore the way we played last season. It is not the dream come true for me. Troffees are very important but it is not the main reason why i lovу and support this club for more than 10 years.
And of course i would like us to develop the players like Campbell and Wellbeck and to promote them to the first team. Why buy ? Why spend the hell of money ?
PS It is not the case of 32 mln. We’ve already paid 6 mln for the 2 years. That menas we would have to pay smth about 24-26 mln for Carlos.
£32mil. + £6.5mil per season.
Then he goes to Boca Juniors on a free transfer.
As for the people saying we should buy him, we’ve
spent over £50mil. in the last 7 months alone, buying
real world class and potential world class players, Tevez
is neither.
This issue is difficult for United. People may say, “well if you spent £31 million on Berbatov then you can definately afford to pay £32 million on Tevez. ” In fact the opposite is true. We CANT afford to spend £32 million on Tevez BECAUSE we spent all that money on Berbatov. I would love it if Tevez could stay but the board might feel that the money could be better spent elsewhere i don’t know.
He was invaluable last season, particularly in the champions league against Barcelona and he scored some crucial goals for us. The question is, are we likely to find someone with Tevez’s attributes for any less than £32 million? He is proven in the prem, seems to love the club and knows the United style of play. If we dont buy him and then have to spend £32 million on another striker is there any point. Particularly if it is Benzema who will probably ‘ do a Ronaldo’ before too long and demand a move to Real Madrid.
to be fair, fergie has been looking disinterested in keeping tevez the way he’s been treating the lad past few months, i think he might be on his way. i dont think we’d even be considering letting him leave if not for the obscene amount required to get him really, but with just rooney and berbatov as our main established forwards, we’ll either have to not get him or buy someone else in any case which we’ll have to spend obscene amounts of money again (glad to know we’re at least getting better deals than the other team from manchester BRIDGE FOR 12 MILLION HAHA) campbell and welback just havent been good enough for me. Im thinking sir alex might play berba up top and just get ronnie and rooney to flank him though
i really hope that we do keep him though, he does offer something to the team, hard work passion and the knack to still score a goal, i dont know how in the world park’s keeping him out of the team, what’s wrong with playing 3 forwards? we can just not play 4-4-2.
Absolute Farce! Dont know whats worse, the fact that united dont seem to be interested in signing one of the most influential players in our team for the last 2 years OR the fact he wants an obscene amount of money and transfer fee. Neither will agree and he will end up going, big mistake in my view.
How do you know he is going to leave for Boca on a free? thats speculating.
Tevez isn’t real or potential world class???!?!?, fuck me thats the most ludacrous thing I have heard on this site since that Dipper said Babel will be European footballer of the year in the next two years.
Tevez has all the potential in the world, but 32m is a lot of money simple.
corea: The “stats” show that we do better when Tevez is in the team.
UNITED NEED MORE THAN 2 TOP STRIKERS, and Tevez is an ideal one.
United need inspirational players, like Rooney. If he’s not on the pitch the team doesnt get that dose of adrenaline needed…. Tevez is our man.
Tevez is just too similiar to Rooney, and United clearly need an out-and-out goal poacher in the squad for the simple option they would give us. Given that they’d probably demand the same in wages, can anyone really tell me they’d wouldnt prefer paying approximately 32 million pounds less to have Micheal Owen over Tevez? We’d have a more balanced squad with more options. Of course you would, we all would.
***UNITED NEED MORE THAN 2 TOP STRIKERS . . .***
I agree Javon but in order to get a “Top” level striker you have to be willing to shell out the cake. The question seems to really be does United have the cash to keep the energizer bunny? If so then SAF would be foolish to upset an apple cart that seems to be gelling at just the right time.
Unfortunately we can now expect, given Carlitos’ recient comments, the tabloids etc to give legs to the story and that may screw with the teams’ chemistry / attitude a la the CR7 saga from the summer, a distraction the lads definitely don’t need at this stage of the season.
I would hope that the club is in the financial position to hold onto Tevez because of all the positives he brings to the pitch and as the saying goes . . . “If it ain’t broke, don’t try to fix it!” And United are definitely NOT BROKE! (no pun intended)
I have a question now . . . Why is everone so enamoured with the Bulgarian Hitman? Yes Yes Yes he is a world class talent and a pure joy to watch when he’s into the game. But does anyone else have reservations about dropping 30+ mil on a player that’ll be 28 years old at the end of the month? Now I’m not saying that he’s over the hill (I’m 45 and looking over the backside of it now and I don’t see him anywhere near me!) but how many more years will he be able to play at a level commensurate with his salary?
Wouldn’t it be nice to have a player of Tevez’s known talents riding shotgun with the big guy? As I see it Tev’s and Roo’s biggest drawback is their lack of stature and one would think that Berba would be great in the air but so far hasn’t shown any real desire to get up and fight for the ball like Vidic or Rio. Perhaps if SAF lets Tevez go he’ll go after a younger version of Berba who isn’t afraid / too lazy to try and fly when the occasion demands it.
Just my 2pence
~~~”Socrates worked towards making people question themselves. He liked to provoke self-interrogation but wasn’t particularly interested in the answers that emrged; he just like to set off the thought process.”
Eric “the King” Cantona~~~
Fucking hell… 32 million is not that much if we buy tevez with it. We love him, he loves the club so why not? I mean come on look how much benzema costs! and he is a fucking gold-digger… Tevez is a hard-worker and plays the united way. I really would be Furious if we dont buy him and he ends up at Real, Chelsea, Inter or any other champions league team… If you think about it he said he will leave us after 5 years … how long do you think Ronaldo would stay with us if he was given the choice? There aren’t that manyy players left with the passion tevez has got that still play the game. i would rather spend the money on him then on a player who doesnt love the club and another thing its always better to have 3 strikers and more options up front. Tevez is a great player
PLEASE FERGIE BUY HIM !!
correct me if I’m wrong but I thought the original agreement for Tevez was £32 mill for wages during loan period + transfer fee.
Assuming he is on £70K/week = £7.3mill over 2 years for the wages.
Remaining balance = just under £25mill
bearing in mind the figures being chucked around for defoe and prices paid for Keane, Berba etc, it doesn’t seem like a huge amount to me.
Having said that, the signs coming out of O.T. don’t sound good!
£32m, no big deal, of course it isn’t, except for a tiny detail, we’re over £750m in debt.