TNSSO: I Would Consider United… But Would They Consider Me?

i know it’s rich saying this, because titles are what it’s all about, but the reason I fell in love with United is because of players like Kanchelskis blazing down the wing with faced paced, free flowing attacking football… not because of all the subsequent trophies we won because of this.

José is an excellent manager, and I respect him for what he does, but no self respecting United fan would want him at our club.

hmm, i personally think hes a good manager, he gets the best out of his players, alright his “style” of football isnt attractive, and wont win him many fans. but id rather have a guy like morinho at the helm of our great club, than say keane or bruce..:)

haha, why not? Assuming all things remain constant, no. But the one thing constant in life is of course change. He will learn. He may become more attack oriented in his footballing tactics. He may very well learn the benefits of bringing up youth. The one thing we mustn’t under estimate about this guy is his burning ambition. He wants to be the next Ferguson. Indeed he wants to be better than Fergie. And for that he will be willing to learn. Give him time. And more importantly give him an opportunity. What have we to lose? There will always be forces at this club which will never allow defensive minded and non-youth oriented football to step into the club. SAF himself will be there to ensure a smooth transition. Who knows, the not so special one might be the special one after all!

He may have won the league twice, but the manner in which he did it leaves a lot to be desired!
As Scott rightly said, the young players he fails to encourage or bring through is just one of many reasons i would NEVER want to see him in the great ones boots.
Blancs the one…eventually!

374th time??
i must of missed 2 of them
as far as i know sir alex will have a hand in his replacment so ill be happy with him
but myself
i dont like the guy
if scholes perfectly onside goal was given against porto noone would know this right place at the right time guy

Give Ole a go.

After fergi retires i would like jose to manage utd.but i aint sure whether his style suits united.but if u ask me no managers style will suit united bcose the fergies style is class apart. but i will give jose a thumbs up just bcose of his character and his own style.
i think he likes united so y not he bcome the nxt manager.

this guy is a complete numpty – no thanks Jose.

No never, it’s simply not acceptable for Manu to play such boring football.

To be honest I also agree with some of you who thinks Mourinho is a good manager. However, I’m unsure of his loyalty. He seems to always jump clubs once he achieves something with them. But then again, it is hard (close to impossible) to find a manager as loyal and as talented as SAF these days.

Tufty – so the fact he doesn’t know how to manage within the United mentality doesn’t mean anything to you? Our club is BUILT on bringing through youth and playing attacking football, principles set out by Sir Matt Busby. And you’re happy for that to be forgotten? That’s desperately sad.

Name young players Mourinho has developed.
Name occasions when ANY Mourinho team has played attacking football.

Anyone who thinks that because Mourinho has been successful with Porto, Chelsea and Inter can suddenly transform his tactics to fit in at United knows little about football.

How do you know he doesnt know how to manage in the Utd mentality?
Who said that would be forgotton? Would it heck, not with the likes of Charlton and Fergie still arround and the demands of the fans.
You build a team to your strengths as Fergis has done, that took years after the Atkinson years, restructuring the club to suit.
A new manager wouldnt need to arrive with that building job on board.

The demands on Fergies successor will be huge, the media will be all over them wanting them to fail. Jose has the arrogance, the charisma and the experience to take on the job.

You can bitch about his methods, but Mourinho is a winner. He’d get lots of silverware if he came to OT. For me, he’s too much of a managerial whore (he gets passed around the big clubs who pay him lots of money and in return, he makes them very happy). “Yeah, you won’t *insert title here* but you just hired Jose Mourinho to win it for you.” It’s boring and I worry that it would cheapen my enjoyment of whatever titles he brought us.

Jose has not got the class to manage United, he may well bring success but he would bring also his personality and and shite football, not in a million years would I have that scumbag at OT.

@scott
who would u bring after fergi goes.

A man who thinks a team with 8 second grade strikers and no defenders will win the league(city). ‘tard.

It’s a very tough call and one that will not be taken likely. Ideally we’d take a manager who will stay with the club for years & years. Don’t think there would be any sense bringing in a Capello type manager to work for 5 years.

For me, Mourinho is the opposite to what we should be looking for, I appreciate his talents but don’t see a match with Utd. Success is only one of the factors we look for in a manager; a very important factor admittedly but not the be-all and end-all.

A few names that will no doubt be mentioned:

Blanc
Moyes
Bruce
O’Neill
Olé

I assume Fergie will be heavily involved in choosing a successor.

For me it’s got to be O’Neill, Moyes or Blanc – with Ole in support.

SAF always says it isn’t up to him but he must have a say. I think he’d go for Blanc or CQ.

Tufty – Mourinho has the right personality to be United manager (although I’d rather not having a manager who feels the need to make controversial statements every few weeks). But just having “charisma” is not good enough.

Porto played decent football? We’re talking about the same team that knocked us out of Europe in 2004? It was fucking painful to watch. They defended from start to finish, throwing themselves on the floor and rolling around given the first opportunity. I really do despair if you reckon that Porto team were “decent”.

Which players did he “bring through” at Porto? Carvalho, Deco, Costinha, Postiga etc. were all first team players before he went there.

Fergie goes for a defensive approach in the massive games where it’s needed. Jose went for the defensive approach week in week out. The two aren’t even comparable.

Mourinho has been managing for 9 years now and has never shown himself as a manager capable of playing with an attacking mentality or putting any emphasis on youth. Those two things are the most important for the man replacing Sir Alex, so keeping your fingers crossed that Jose will be able to manage to do these things, even though we have NO IDEA whether he can or not, is totally desperate and worrying. Yeh, he MIGHT be able to do it, we don’t know, and what if he can’t? So far he hasn’t given us any indication. The fact that he could create a dream team at Chelsea and left them with a worst squad than the one he inherited should set alarm bells ringing. I only hope the people making the decision on this one have more sense.

Give credit where it is due. He is good manager. However his style leaves a lot to be desired, football tradition at manu is so much different from his style and I bet most people will not like it. The young players will not have room in his team hence no time for development, I bet even blending them with experience will prove to be difficult thing for him to do.

He’ll end up at Citeh. They are the only one’s that can satisfy his ego and his salary.

For once I don’t agree with you Scott! Jose is a truly amazing manager and if there is anyone out there with a big enough personality, apart from capello and Hiddink, then it’s him! He has got the ambition, he is young, he don’t give a s…t wether your name is ballack or ibrahimowich(sorry for the spelling), and I am sure teaching him how to play attacking footy wouldn’t be too hard either! So I say; let’s bring him on instead of doing like Newcastle and hire someone unproven former player!

Not a fucking chance in a million years . He’s the last person in the world i’d like to see in united job. At porto and chelsea he got the second best team in the league and changed them to best. At milan he got the champion team and has been able to continue their success due to shite teams present in the league(still he needs ibra to save his ass half the times ). So to suggest that he has the capability of using the youth and blend it with our style of attacking football is just bollocks .
I personally favour ole20 or moyes to carry on the united job from SAF . Moyes has shown time and again that he can operate under relatively small budget and ole20 knows the club inside out . Either of them would fine for me.

Mourinho is a great coach and a club the size of Manchester United would need someone “special” to guide it. The one to eventually replace Sir Alex would have to be someone like Mourinho who can withstand the pressure of the job in hand though I would give my first preference to none other than Blanc and Cantona. I would go for Blanc as the manager and the King as his right hand man.

Just posted on Tribal Football:

Manchester United chief David Gill says Sir Alex Ferguson’s eventual successor must stick to the club’s traditions.

The People says Gill said whoever eventually replaces Sir Alex Ferguson ”will have to give youth its chance and play exciting Manchester United-style football – that’s not negotiable.”

If not Morinho then who??????

I cant think of many managers that could just walk into AF’s position.
He needs to be as strong headed and intelligent as AF…which is very very very very rare.

As stated, Jose has made the best out of what he has got and what he had at each club, as he would do if he walked into Utd.
Whilst tradition does dictate a style of football, it also has to be geared up to getting results, as we often sacrafice attacking football for, something which is now more common in Europe.
Fergie didnt walk through the door and suddenly start calling on youth players, he developed the youth system till it produced good enough players. Something he still does ow and will use when a good enough player comes through.
Mental strength and charactr is a big factor in ther next Utd manager, the press will want them to fail and to eat them up. Currently Fergie controls the press and Jose can do that.
There is no doubt that the next manager will bring players through and play a certain style, but i bet in the 2005 period, Fergie would have sacraficed attacking football in order to have the likes of essien in his side and im sure he would do the same now.
Chelsea played some good football under Jose and yes they did grind out results, just as utd did last season witha lot of clean sheets and 1.0 wins.

Hold on to your guns….

The next manager would be decided by SAF…Jose would be the 5th choice behind
1..SAF..He might just never retire…
2..2OLEGEND..Ole Ole all the way..
3..Ryan Giggs/ Gary Neville (Both are doing their badges)..
4..Cantona..
5..TNSSO..Maulino…

@Scott

As a manager though you play to win, when you’ve got huge expectations you don’t try and please the fans to play attacking football, you do whats needed to win. That’s what he did at Chelsea. You moan about tactics and defensive play yet in both seasons they won the league they either scored more or were equal to our goal tally. He got criticsed for the amount of 1 – 0 wins, I do believe we had 9 last season in the PL which I’m guessing is more than any other club, definetly more than any of the top 4 clubs.

In regards to youth players, the same could be said for a majority of the PL teams, even us. When we’ve had promising youngsters as of late we’ve ended up selling them (Rossi, Pique). You rarely see youth players make it into the top teams now.

I actually think Mourinho would do well, he may have a big personality but I think it’s his mentality that’d help continue Fergie’s success. I think just like Fergie, if needed he’d be prepared to sell a top player (RVN, Beckham, Stam etc) but I can’t see the likes of Bruce, O’Neill etc doing this. The fact that he’s succesfully managed top clubs would also play a huge part in him being succesful.

The Ibrahimovic comments were probably with this summer transfer window in mind, which seem to have worked because Inter are getting a fucking brilliant deal for him.

Tufty – how can you say he made the best of what he had at Chelsea? He inherited a great team and left them with a set of players who were worse. This was after he’d spent £100s of million.

Mental strength and character is certainly important. But it’s not more important than finding a manager who will be successful within the traditions of the club. Mourinho has done NOTHING to suggest he could fulfil the most important traditions set out by Sir Matt.

When United were winning 1-0 last season, it wasn’t through lack of trying! We were having 10 or 15 shots on target but our strikers just weren’t clinical enough. Chelsea were not having that many shots on target. They dominated possession and played a patient, boring game.

You said Jose brought through players at Porto. Who?

Who replaces SAF is the 64 million dollar question, dont know about any1 else but im dreading the day wen the real special 1 retires.

Steve Bruce!! He’s done well with Birmingham and Wigan. And now he has a great squad with new players like Campbell at Sunderland. He’s the man for the job

Think your being very blinkered there Scott.

Jose did inherit a good team, but to say he left behind a worse team is not near correct.

Jose will go woth the traditions of the club, just as any manager will be asked to (See Gills comments). But look back through the histopry of MUFC and tell me how many managers can be classed as a success and how many managers have gone by tradition? Fergie doesnt always revert to tradition of Busby and its harder to do in this age of football.
Football is a results business and Jose gets results.

Quite a few of our games last season were not played with the all out attack. When Ruud and Keane were at the club in their last seasons, we sacraficed attack to keep Keane playing rather than accept that Keane was no longer the player he was.
You cant argue with Joses results at Chelsea or at Inter or Porto, they got the team trophies and success. Chelseas football was decent most the time, yes they ground out 1-0’s but they played some superb football and he brought in some superb players to give them that cutting edge.
The Chelsea players all still speak high highly of Jose and several Utd players have stated that they would like him as their next manager from what they have heard from others.

There is no other manager in football currently who could step into Fergies boots than Jose, he is made for the utd job and most utd fans can see that.

Tufty – Cudicini, Johnson, Gallas, Terry, Desailly, Makele, Bridge, Gronkjaer, Geremi, Veron, Lampard, Duff, Joe Cole, Gudjohnsen, Hasselbaink, Robben, Cech.

Essien, Drogba and Carvalho were his great buys. But he sold off Robben, Gudjohnsen, Duff and replaced them with no marks like Kezman, Kalou, Wright-Phillips and Malouda. He replaced Makelele with Mikel. Replaced Gallas with Boulahrouz. Which positions did he improve?

The fact they finished with 95 points in his first season and 85 in his last is a pretty strong indication the team got worse as the years went by. Not near correct? No, just correct.

Just because not every manager hasn’t followed Sir Matt’s traditions does not mean it shouldn’t be something we should aspire to. The club were in a dire situation for a lot of the time between Busby and Ferguson. Ferguson has proven that we can play attacking football and we can bring youth through and still be the most successful team in England. I am not prepared to sacrifice that just for the “big personality” of Mourinho and I certainly do not want to be bored to tears watching our team play.

By most United fans, who do you mean? I don’t know any United fans who think Mourinho is the best man suited to replacing Ferguson… and I know a fair few.

Third time, can you name any of the players you claimed Jose brought through at Porto?

Not Mourinho please…

Not for his arrogance
Not for his poor losing attitude
Not for his doubtful judgement on players — remember Thiago who?
Not for his ultimately loss in dressing room — great managers doesn’t lose the job for a captain’s rebellion; when Fergie said yes and Keano said no — Keano left…
Not for his lousy media management — The name he had now “TNSSO” says it all…

Who said rookie / novice managers can’t do well?
Pep Guadiorla slapped it on our face last season.
Give Ole a chance if we would, or else bring in some decent choice, like Martin O’Neil or Steve Bruce..

Not all trophy-winning managers would be automatically have the trophy attracted to them by default — see how World Cup Winner Big Phil failed in Chelsea with a squad that big, see how Santini failed with Spurs, see how Capello failed with RMadrid’s philosophy..

We would not need a cocky person like Mourinho to fail in Man United, then only to fire parting shots like what Tevez did…

@ANON – He has not been able to bring any youth players because he doesn’t want to stay at a club for a long enough time to develop youth ?

Semi final of the Champions league mate when we destroyed Arsenal.

I’d like to see one of Scholes/Giggs/Neville managing United, I don’t know if Scholes will like to manage though…… They know the high’s and the lows, they have seen how Sir Alex works. They(if I am not mistaken) have started to collect badges. We all love them to be in United in one way or the other, I’d see them over any outsider.

As stated, take a look at Utds atacking formations in the bigger games over the last 5 years and then come back and say its attacking football.
Take a look at the players coming through from the youth team and then say its a production line of top drawer players.
Fergie realises that you cant go all out attack these days, 4-4-2 is rarely a formation seen in bigger games.
Mourinho builds a team on the players and resources available to him, as he will have to do if he vere took over at Utd.
If utd played defensive football each week and won 1.0 most weeks, the majority of fans would be happy, as its results thats the main importance these days not style.
To have these worries over one of the worlds top managers and only man with the characteristics for the job at this current time if Fergie went today is not even questionable.
Good job you disnt have this blog site back in 1992, you would have been calling for Fergies head back then!

he has the UTD’s arrogance! WE’RE THE BESTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

to be honest with yas i would be happy with Ole or O’Neill….. but thats just me..

“I would rather win nothing, but be entertained, than win it all and be bored.”

What with buisiness side of football if you win nothing?
Remember that Chelsea played some styled and entertaining football when Robben and Duff were not injured.

Truly,I can’t see now any manager apart from him to replace SAF and become successfull immediately.

FACT: Jose Mourinho is a very successful manager and has a big personality, charisma blah blah blah

FACT: Mourinho’s teams are usually geared up to NOT LOSE the match rather than go out there to win it.

He has a different mindset to SAF. No denying his effectiveness, but his style of play is simply not a treat to the eyes.

He isnt going to drop every tactic he knows and suddenly get his team playing good, attacking, free flowing end to end stuff. Its not as if he going to pick up a book and learn it overnight.

He is where he is , because of his abilities to create unbeatable teams. Which usually involves boring,defense-minded , never concede attitude teams.

He cannot be the replacement simply because he wins trophies and has charisma, mind games etc.. That is all secondary.

The main thing is getting a manager who will mould a team into playing pretty much the same way that Man United has been playing since its inception. Beautiful football.

So end of story. Mourinho isnt our answer.

no mourinho,pls,haven’t got idea who after SAF,but not him definitely because of….everything Scott explained-our philosofy and history…..Attack only and defending if necesary like last year CL….no italian strategy and bullshit, noo Mourinho – hopefully someone will emerge when the time comes,it’s to early for succesor

Who in there right fucking mind with want mourinho? he will spend a few years playing defensively minded football and destroy our youth system all for what? for him to fill his pockets!! Fuck off Mourinho!! Old Trafford is turning into a complete morgue at the minute with fair weather fans not singing and the number of us that do sing is getting shorter by the season! with mourinho and his defensively minded tactics will completely destroy the atmostphere!!

Mark my words next manager will be Darren Ferguson!!! Back to back promotions and will have another few years before his dad retires to gain experience, plays good attacking football and brings forward youth!!

Personally at this point I would say he IS good enough to replace S.A.F in a few years. His track record was excellent at Porto -without the millions of Abramovich.

The style -or lack of it -of Chelsea is a concern -with the 2 defensive midfield players etc -but I thing he could adapt to the Old Trafford desire for skill and flair.

I’m convinced Fergie and Gill’s ideal would be to “grow our own”. i.e appoint an Asst Manager who understands our system, club culture, the board, owners, players, fans etc and let him move up when Fergie decides to go. He’s said he won’t announce it in advance like last (failed) time but I bet Gill and the board will know at least a year in advance.

I believe our next manager may be in Portuguese but I’m not talking about Jose! If Portugal fail to qualify for the WC, I’m betting Queiroz will return in some capacity with plan like this in mind.

That all said, I’m not sure it will work! Indeed I think we’ll be in for a rough few years, post Fergie. But why are we talking about this anyway? Fergie’s at helm and he’s staying put while we go for 19!!!!!.

Can’t wait!

For anyone who believes Ole doesn’t have the experience to manage,have you forgotten the manager of the team that won the Champions League this year?He’s 38,he was part of the team that won Barca their 1st European Cup.

He won Barcelona their 1st Treble,same way Ole won us ours.

boogeyman

goodmorning

.who wud you go for?

a manager who is established in europe or take a chance witha rookie like guardiola who knws the mentality of the club and is Man Utd through and Through

You cant bring through Youth if you dont have any good enough to bring through. Its not like Utd have a constant stream of youth players who are coming through to the first team.
How long did it take Fergie at Utd to develop a youth set up that provided the likes of the Nevilles, Scholes, Butt and Beckham? How many have come through since 96?
If you have £100 million to spend, then you will spend it, you wont gamble on youth.
Fegrgie spent £50 million on two players a few years back, we went from a title winning side to 3rd in the league, so you could argue he made the squad worse.
Mourinho plays a team to the strengths of the team, not to one philosphy.
Fergie himself realises that you cant play attacking football in the bigger games and a lot of games are now lined up for ball retention, hence the favourtism for a 4-3-3 formation.

Anyway, Fergie wont be going just yet, another title next May and maybe he will call it a day. At this moment in time, only Mourinho ticks the boxes to be the next Utd manager, in 12 months time or 2 years time, who knows what further experience managers may have.
Moyes shows promise but lacks Champions league experience and experience of dealing with star name players. Blanc has done well at Bordeux but needs consistency and has no managerial experience in England. Carlos Queroz is a good number 2, but lacks what is needed to be manager.
Lets just keep this thread saved for when the next manager is appointed.

Give the job to Eric with Ole as his assistant!

Let’s make it happen!

I think i will recommend him