Zoran Tosic’s Manchester United career hasn’t exactly gone to plan, with him seemingly not doing enough in training to get much of a go for the first team.
He is enjoying himself on loan with Cologne, who are currently 11th in the Bundesliga, having scored another two goals last week.
He has now revealed that he wants to make the loan move permanent and stay in Germany.
“I would like to stay at the club,” Tosic said. “The most important thing for any player is regular first-team football and I like Cologne, but I know any decision on my future will only be made in the summer.”
Reports suggest £4.5million would be enough for United, although meaning a loss for United. Tosic joined United in a £16m deal which included Adem Ljajić, although it is believed Tosic cost us £6m.
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Tosic is good
He can fuck off then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought he was a United fan
£16million!!!!!! Christ no wonder we are in debt! £16million!!!!!!
What do you expect him to say?
For some reason he wasn’t given any chances at United. He is now being given regular football and he is scoring goals. There are very few footballers in the world who would be happy with their weekly paychecks and not being given the chance to show their capabilities in the first team.
I hope he gets the chance to show what he is capable of at United next season.
he is doing well and wants to stay we should let him stay. He got time to settle and is now showing he is talented. he never got first team games at United so its understandable that he couldnt make his mark. Anyways better to play regularly rather than being in meaningless reserves games week in week out
It’s sad, but understandable why he wants to stay in Cologne. Can’t blame him considering the lack of first-team opportunities he’s had with us and the way we treated his former squadmate.
All in all, the transfer’s been a bad one, leaving us with a huge loss and a big blow to our reputation (especially wrt Adem Ljajic). I just hope that whatever we do in the transfer market this summer goes better than the way this one turned out.
This is something we are feeling strange about. Is there any grudge about Tosic and Adem Ljajić that Fergie dont want to let him play or let him come? This case is a disgrace on our part by not buying Adem Ljajić.
I think it will happen as usual in these cases. Every one of those who are on loan come back for the summer friendlies and then Fergie decides whom to offload. Don’t know what to make of Tosic’s situation. I haven’t seen him train, i don’t know why Fergie thinks he doesn’t suit our model.
rate him. well, when u put him on loan, there’s always this risk of them not returning after tasting regular 1st team football. still hoping though Fergie still wants him back.
You have bigger fish to fry at United lad.
This guy is class. And I din’t understand how he was not given chance when with us. In the reserves he always had good reviews, and when in the first team for 10 minutes almost scores a hell of a goal. I hope the pre season changes his mind, and Fergie’s, giving the “New Ryan Giggs” chances to show he is a talent.
Come back , Tosic.
You don’t Mess with de Zoran!
I wouldn’t sell him UNLESS there’s someone else with a cultured left foot who is going to be part of the first-team squad. However, he needs to get some games with the first-team before cutting him adrift – he’s excelled in UTD’s reserves and at Cologne so that there seems to be no question that the guy has the talent..
He looks a more rounded and complete player than Obertan at present, from the little I’ve seen. I’d like to see him given a go at United. Maybe he lacks the inner drive and ambition to make it at Old Trafford and would be happier in a less high- profile club, but at least give the guy a decent chance. And certainly don’t sell him too cheaply.
i haven’t see him enough at united… though..what stop him play well at united???
I would be gutted if he’s allowed leave, hes a very, very promising player whose future should be at United. I can completely understand why he feels the way he does but hopefully Fergie has him in his plans because hes a very smart player with the skill and speed to match who could do great things for us if given a run in the team.
Ungrateful little toerag…
Only joking. Baffling transfer in hindsight. Hopefully we’ll get the truth behind the Ljajic & Tosic saga, as well as other mysteries of the Glazer regime, when Sir Alex retires and releases the next update of his autobiography.
If SAF thinks he is good enough then he will allow him to stay on loan for another season before bringing him back to United. He is a very promising youngster. I can’t help think that he will be another Pique. Didn’t get his chance at United so moved on and is allowed to develop in to a fine player. These guys need a chance like Ronnie got.
we bought them £16million-we sell him £4.5milion-now that’s a professional managment.
And where the hell is Adem Ljajić?
I think many people never got the real story with Ljajic. We did not sign him because of work permit issues, not because we screwed up. That said, we haven’t really seen anything to suggest Ljajic is capable of lighting up the world of football, apart from the media sensationalising him
Signing young players from abroad is a double edged sword – if the player succeeds we could have another Ronaldo – if the player doesn’t make the grade, we end up looking grasping and shabby.
I hope that the policy of hoovering up the world’s young talent is not being done at the expense of giving native players a chance – while I’m in favour of breaking down the barriers between nations and cultures I think our identity could slip away if we ended up without genuine local content in the team – think of the example set by Paul Scholes in the derby last weekend!
Shame about Tosic. He seems set to join the Kleberson / Eric Djemba-Djemba / David Bellion / Manucho / Seba Veron / Massimo Taibi / Diego Forlan / Liam Miller / Karel Poborsky school of transfer disasters.
@Marq
Ljajic was just 17 and anyways he wouldnt have been a regular this season so we could have waited for the work permit for a few more months., Also SAF got the permit for Anderson suggesting that he Is a ‘special talent’. Sorry but in 3 years i havent seen anything special.
Our scouts are to be blamed then. Did they just agree the deal for ljajic after just monitoring him for one game. Surely not. They must have monitored him over a period of time and then reached man agreement with Partizan. SAF said a month before ljajic was due to arrive that he is looking forward to seeing ljajic. Did he become crap in a month. I dont think so.
The club fucked it up and need to be big enough to admit it. Its easy to sit here and say he wasnt good and all that stuff but put yourself in ljajic’s place and then think how crushing it would have been for him.
Anyways hope the lad does well in the future
Says it all about his spirit and balls, happy to ply his trade at a mediocre mid table club like FC Koln, thats the attitude.
Its a bit of a hit though the financial loss,suppose its better to cut and run though.
“I like Colgone” …………..So do I my preference Cool water or Joop.
@aig alex is god
Well, it doesn’t help that we are seeing more clips of Tosic do good stuff than Ljajic. Anyway, hope he does fine, we might regret it, we might not, only time will tell. Even if we missed out, it won’t be the the first time and it won’t be the last, life goes on, so no point having people saying our club screwed up.
I read in a copy of red issue a few months back that reason he hasn’t really progressed is because he was having a hard time adjusting in England, also it says he signed in a combined deal worth 16mil n that Tosic only cost us around 6mil so ain’t that big of a loss
Agree with Marq. Just can’t see all the fuss with Ljijac and how he has been “badly trated” and “United have acted disgracefully”. Get over him. Nobody really knows what happened.
@King Eric
Had i been a city supporter i wouldnt have bothered because this is how they treat players but i expect better from United. If nothing had happened why not say straight away ‘we dont have 10 million to spend on an unproven teenager ‘ rather than making this lame work permit excuse
You don’t judge a player on 5 subs performances, do you ? Foreign (young) and not established yet players need more time and playing opportunities to adjust to the british game than local products.
http://www.blogunited.co.uk/images/wallpapers/53/tosic_ljajic_sign_12a.jpg
He should stay there. Like it or not it’s obvious he wouldn’t even get an opportunity to show what he’s capable of now that Fergie has decided to go with the Nani show.
Those comments are disrespectful.He has a contract. Fight for your place!
I personally think its another example of disgraceful treatment some of the young foreign players have received whilst in England. Forlan, Pique, Rossi, De Laet, Diouf and Tosic have all had raw deals when it came to getting in the first team on merit.
Oh well, I guess the mantra is, if you dont cost 17 million pounds or come from the British Isles, forget about going to Man Utd…..
Excuse my rant guys I’m just upset to see another talented player just slip through the ranks like this, whilst we offer consistant under achievers like Welbeck, Carrick and Berbatov regular football…..
@aig alex is god
How did you know its an excuse? It was a deal put on paper, nothing more than that. Just because it did not materialise does not mean we treated him badly. How about all the youngsters who are actually in our books from the age of 8 onwards, after spending 10 over years in our academy, they will be told they are not good enough, to me that is 10 times more cruel than what Ljajic went through, and you bought into the ABU media hype of dissing our club.
Life is cruel, if you are deemed not good enough, you move on and prove yourself. So just because the media gave him the nickname Little Kaka, everyone goes crazy about him, even if there had been nothing to suggest he could be a fraction of that player.
The media always love putting us down, and you just bought it
Just stumbled on this from Forlan right after writing my last comment… http://www.tribalfootball.com/atletico-madrid-ace-forlan-i-was-not-managed-properly-man-utd-783921 . He speaks the honest truth.
@Marq
then why talk about him so highly?. mind you SAF and gill spoke about him highly too, not just the media and why make him pose with the club crest and all that when actually we hadnt even signed him???. he was never ever given a chance to prove himself or display his talent which is what i have a problem with. Anyone who comes through the youth academy and cant make it gets chances to prove himself and if he fails he is sold. this lad didnt
ALl i am saying is the actual reason is NOT work permit isue but something else
but he is a united fan?
united fans don’t want to stay at a German club…
Quality player. Have to say it was rare bad management from Fergie.
have any of you actually watched him play a game there?
after that last game.. the fans love him.. he was cheered all over the ground and he was like a hero there.. hopefully fergie works his magic and talks to him and tells him that he is a part of our squad or we may have another pique here…. which would absoulutely suck
tosic is class.. has abit more than obertan atm.. but obertan has been injured and hasnt played alot o games.. obertan will get there too.. there both class players and should be at UNITED!
@Marq, the ABU media barely said anything about the Ljajic deal.
We worked out for ourselves something fishy was going on. Let’s look at the chain of events:
1. United announce the deal and release publicity photos of Ljajic posing with a United shirt stood next to Fergie. An interview with the lad is put on ManUtd.com, asking him how it feels to be a United player.
2. Jus before he is set to arrive, United unexpectedly pull out of the deal
2. His agent claims it is because we can’t afford him
3. Fergie dodges his press conference and leaves Phelan to claim we didn’t want Ljajic anymore because he hadn’t progressed as a player (nice of him to publicly put the lad down like that)
4. The club then contradicted Phelan and claimed we wanted him but couldn’t get a work permit.
So you think nothing unusual went on and we’ve been fooled by the ABU media do you?
@King Eric – i remember during autumn when things didn’t go that brightly and everyone critisized our midfield you as always tried to stay possitive and kept mentioning Ljaic arrival as a sign of the brighter things to come. It seems like it was so long ago
@MARQ. claiming that d ljajic transfer failure was as a result of lack of work permit and we believing otherwise was bcos ABU’s anti-united media campaign is just ridiculous.first of all united announced signing both guys.pictured them with SAF AND VIDA and talked highly about them. Few months before January SAF himself said he couldn’t wait 4 ljajic to join united in the second part of the season describing him as an excellent talent.but what happened? United pulled out of the deal sighting contradicting reasons
1. Mike Phelan said he hadn’t progressed well as expected so United felt it was not necessary to sign him up
2. United then contradicted Fergie’s assistant by issuing a statement claiming that we couldn’t secure a work permit for him.very lame if u ask me. We got a work permit 4 Anderson didn’t we.
See the fact that we are United fans does not mean we shouldn’t be objective. There’s more to the transfer issue than “work-permit” for God’s sake!
My point is, Ljajic is not coming, and just because a player is not coming, our club has been termed to have behaved disgracefully and that we mistreated the player. Yes there may be other issues involved as to why he did not come, but that is for the club to answer to. If he was the real deal, would you not think Sir Alex would push the deal through?
As it is now, the case has been close, and from what we have seen so far, I feel it is 10m well saved, until he can prove us wrong. So what is the point with some of you thinking badly about the club just because a 17yr old boy got his dream dashed? Millions of footballers see their dreams dashed, and until now, Ljajic is 1 of the millions, not 1 out of the millions
When it comes to selling players United are shit at getting transfer fees for them. We gave Saha away, we paid Barthez £5 million to leave the club and he was Frances number 1! £10 million for Ruud! £7 million for Pique! I also include Ronaldo in all of this £80 million was a steal It should have been £100 million. If we sell him for £4.5 million its more financial mismanagement which we could get away with as a plc but not when we have a £500 million bond (plus interest) to pay. I for the life of me don’t know why we singed him and why he hasn’t played. When you consider how bad Fletcher once was and was playing week in, week out. Surely Tosic could have started a few more games without it being detrimental to the team. The whole fiasco regarding the Serbs is mind boggling.
Haven’t seen enough of the kid to make a judgement on him, or the other lad. I would say though, that Sir Alex knows what he’s doing ad back him to make the right call on Tosic.
*i’d*
Cant blame the lad, he was never given the chance to prove his worth. I also agree with fred & aig over the ljajic issue, we’ve been lied to.
Corea – Yeah I did mate, I was looking forward to it. United obviously thought different and thats that. I feel fuck all for him, not being awful.
United paid upwards of a million pounds to Ljajic during the year from Jan 09 to Jan 10, when the deal fell through. All that money was paid to Ljajic and his family and to no one else. And soon after the deal went through, he transferred to a club in the La Liga/Serie A (don remmbr which one). So I don’t see how he got treated badly.
I would take being linked with United for a year and a million pounds ever day of the week!
Why the fuck is a work permit issue a lie? Seems perfectly feasable to me. Strange how they wanted ten million from United but then sold him for less than half that.
@willierednut
Just like he made the right call on rossi or pique?
DariusC – “under achievers like Carrick”. What are you on about. His from hasn’t been great recently but to say he is an underachiever is a bit daft.
Personally I don’t get the hype about Pique. A decent defender but very over rated in my opinion. Evans will become the better player.
Rollins – Oh come on Rossi isn’t a United player and you know it.
United are not the first club to pull of a deal for a young player, if the club said is was a work permit issue, then i believe them. These rumours about SAF retiring are more concerning than some player wanting to stay in Germany, how the fook do we replace the great man.
“My point is, Ljajic is not coming, and just because a player is not coming, our club has been termed to have behaved disgracefully and that we mistreated the player.”
What a ridiculous statement.
@king eric
10million is including the add on fee not the transfer fee.about the excuse being valid i dont think we were so desperate for him that we couldnt have waited for some more time. He wasnt going to be given starts immediately.jesus whats wrong with you?
@anon
everyone dosent play for money.some players honestly want to play for united and its their dream
Rollins – Pique wasn’t getting first team football, Barca came in for him and SAF decided to let him go home. On Rossi, i’m not to sure what went on there, though isn’t there buy back clause, if we decide to bring him back from Spain.
Hey guys, I saw Tosic score a brace at the Rheinenergie stadium last weekend. Though he is one of the better players here, I honestly feel he is not cut out for United. With defence in Bundesliga being a joke, he was still struggling for good parts of the game. Though he has a good finish and takes good odd shots at goals, I do not know whether he would have succeeded in a more physical set up like the premier league. I really wonder if he would have made first team on a regular basis here.
While comparisons with Obertan are more than justified, I would give Obertan a higher probability of success once he gets a bit of experience and maturity [read: Footballing brain].
Yeah, honestly, its a little sad to see the Serbian duo not making it at United. I had great hopes and 4.5 mn seems a couple of million short considering that Koln FC need him badly for their continuance in Bundesliga. Hopefully the money is in the banks for Silva
AIG – Do you not trust the managers judgement mate?
I have to disagree King Eric, Pique is awesome. I do like Evans but I think people think hes the better player because hes home grown. Not only is Pique a good defender but he can distribute the ball out of defence like Rio. A concept that Evans hasn’t got to grips with just yet. I’d be more pissed off if we sold Pique without having an Evans but I’m being greedy I want both, and if we can’t have both we should have got more money for Pique. Especially when you see the reported amount of money we signed Smalling for.
@willie
i do but he has never answered to the ljajic question.he praised him a few weeks before he was due to arrive.what caused him change his mind? And why did he dodge the press conference after this happened?
I don’t care about Lljac what winds me up is that we’ve spent a decent amount of money which IMO is anything over £4 million on a player who hasn’t even completed 90 minutes for us. Waste of money and we can’t afford to do that. That is one of the points everyone seems to miss here.
@Fred
Well, that is what some people here says, our club mistreated the boy and is a disgrace, that is the only point I disagree with.
As for the real reason why this 2 serb boys aren’t here, only the insiders will know, and as far as I know, the case is close, no point arguing about if they lied or not. For all you know, they’ve lied to us a million times, but as it is now, we are successful because of the management team, and I will take it that they know what they are doing.
AIG – Conspiracy theories now? I don’t know why he missed that press conference, but i’m sure it wasn’t for the reasons ppl think.
@ king Eric
He isnt a united player?
I would like for you to tell me how…
aig alex is god is royally pissing me off again, why isn’t there an ignore option? Ideal for situations like this.
Remember when we were shit last week and doomed? Somehow, we’re a point off the top now, that’s what you get for no belief. Prat.
Rossi is class, I’d love to see him back here next season. Villarreal aren’t having the best of seasons so maybe we could get him on the cheap. I’m sure now that he has discovered the grass isn’t greener on the other side he’d be willing to come back and take his rightful place as back-up to Rooney.
@ABC – no need for that. He’s entitled to his opinions.
Not when he’s constantly going on about us being doomed, posting around twenty times in that last major thread before the game.
Now it’s United lying about a work permit and putting the team down. If he doesn’t support United, why is he here? Nothing but nonsense and drivel.
If we spent £6m on Tosic then we should try to recoup the most of it when we sell. If he doesn’t want to come back to Old Trafford then so be it. But if Cologne can’t cough up £5-6m then we should just sell him to someone else, he must have attracted some interest by now.
In all honesty can you blame him not wanting to come back, there have been performances from some of our players this year and I have thought to myself its highly unlikely Tosic could have done worse if he had started or come on. He is an international player in arguably the most competitive international federation in the world, has scored goals for his country and is picked regularly. He’s come to United and not been given a start. He could have started Barnsley away for fucks sake. If his days are numbered so be it. Just don’t understand transfers like these.
@always be closing
if you dont agree or get pissed off just ignore.ridiculous really that people who arent positive are being targetted.
@always be closing
right on another note.i am a gloryhunter mate just coming here to get some attention and talk nonsense
Notorious Red Devil – Yeah I agree pal Pique’s distribution is good but the back line are hardly pressured. When they are however he looks fucking lost. Also don’t like some of the things he has said about United since his departure. A bit of a knob if you ask me. Evans is at his best when partnered with Vidic.
NRD – I think Tosic came on at Oakwell. I may be wrong.
aig – Hello mate. We have had our disagreements on here but that isn’t to say I don’t respect your opinions. I don’t think it is a case of not being positive but just little things like that comment on Saturday saying all of us who voted the United and Spurs win will be disappointed. I thought that was a bit odd.
@AIG
Just be the bigger man and do what others moan than they can’t do. Just ignore them. Everyone’s entitled to their opinions.
Well, the 1 thing Pique is doing better than Evans is scoring goals =x
Shut up Costas you’re always moaning lol.
@willierednut
Me? Yeah right,lol. I only moan when others moan.
I don’t mind aig being negative, it’s whatever works for ya.
Costas – I don’t need to moan mate, my old man does that for both of us lol.
@willierednut
Ha, well I can imagine. My mother tends do it a lot too. I don’t mind pessimistic fans either.
@King eric
Look at the positive side of it. i jinxed both city and chelsea with that one.
Costa, willie- Pessimistic fans just don’t like to be disappointed, that’s it, isn’t it?
They hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
@boogeyman
Yeah just about. And I don’t like to think that I may underestimate someone. But as willierednut said, it’s what works for everyone.
@ King Eric – Hello mate, yea Tosic did come on against Barnsley but I don’t know why he couldn’t start that game in all honesty. Couldn’t have done him or the team any harm. Fair dos about Pique if Spain win the World Cup he’ll play a huge part. Although I’m hoping someone other than them who hasn’t won it before wins it.
Why did we sign him if we weren’t even going to give him a fair chance in the team – especially as it wasn’t to lead to Ljajic’s eventual signing.
I’m fairly certain he would offer more of a spark and variety than Park and Giggs in the las month or so.
Why sign all these young 20 somethings if you don’t rate or believe in them enough to give them even minimal time (Obertan, Diouf, Tosic).
I hope Chicharito and Smalling don’t get the same fringe treatment in favour of the same thin squad of ‘veterans’ next season.
OMG WTF IS RONG WITH THESE PLAYERS WHAT A FUCKING SPOON IF HE WANT TO STAY WITH THAT TEAM…
Tosic £16 million together with Lajic who was dubbed as the new kaka then for some reason never joined……he wants to go to Cologne…..well seems he has noticed that he had no chance of playing for United….why if his value is £6 million we sell him for £4.5 is there a sale all year round..if he performed well i guess a club which is financially stable like Cologne can afford to pay £6
Yeah…all of you arguing & fighting about the transfer. Dreaming on players like benzema, silva, aguero, lloris & villa. The truth is Manchester Utd gonna have the same player for the next season. Now in the official website this club link with Slovenian wonderkid & a young greek midfielder. I already bought the Slovenian wonderkid from Newcastle last week in my Football Manager…hahaha & today Manchester Utd are link with him.It seem this tosic n ljajic transfer gone bad since phelan become the assistant manager. I think I should fired him in Football Manager also. I wish them luck against Spurs. So sad there will be no more of Busby Babes & Fergie Fledgling. For people who are going to say stick to football manager to me. yeah I’m going too until next season.waiting the arrival of dodo & andrea ranocchia. already got my tri-mid: eriksen – krhin – canales.
@Norbert Bugeja
Was it not that United Paid 6 mil for him and think they can only get 4.5 mil!
is it not the way of the football world that united pay over the odds for players just cause we are united. With regards to selling players we always generaly get bottom dollar for players as they are not needed!
Apart from ROnaldo & becks…
One thing we also need to be careful with is the prices quoted in the paers! For some reason they now include wages to actualy highlight what the player would cost!
In addition most of todays signings are paid not by lump sum or over a period in time but are based on events.. Ceratin amount when the player reaches certain clud appearences, Ceratin amount when a player scores a certain number of goals, Certain amount if the club wins certain trophies etc!
At the end of the day the people involved at united generaly have their head screwed on and i would doubt very much that they would be throwing 16 million arround on players such as tosic!
@aig alex is god
The club couldn’t wait a few more months though. He was wanted at the club at the same time as Tosic but the initial work permit was turned down, it was appealed under the special talent clause but that was rejected. So the deal was that he would join in a year for £10mill with the obvious get out clause for United incase something happened.
With the date coming up where United had to pull out or pay up the club applied again and got rejected and appealed and got rejected. So what did you want the club to do, pay £10mill for a player who a WP couldn’t be obtained and who in a year hadn’t made the progress towards fulfilling at least the ‘Special Talent’ requirements let alone automatic WP requirments that he was expected to have made.
And it wasn’t going to be a ‘few months’. He had no chance of changing things by the summer so Jan 2011, probally more likely Summer 2011 was going to be the earliest. The rules are pretty shitty in this country for WP’s, city had a deal for McDonald Mariga turned down for example in the summer despite him having 24 full caps for Kenya and having played over 75% of international games in the last 2 years simply because they deemed Kenya to be too insignificant to be a valid player BUT thats not a clubs fault but the Home Offices stupid rules that make the UK one of the hardest places for Footballers to actually get work permits in the whole of Europe.
Oh and its not a LAME WORK PERMIT EXCUSE. Its a reason that the HOME OFFICE themselves officially stated unless you are no going to claim the home office is working for the Glazers.
Seriously if you have paid 10mill for a player and he can’t enter the country to work what exactly are you going to do with him. Leaving him where he was another year having paid for him wasn’t going to improve his chances of making it and neither would sending him to Belguim or Greece to await a permit. It was asking for it to turn into a more expensive Dong or Manucho situation
@Fred
“2. His agent claims it is because we can’t afford him”
WRONG WRONG WRONG. His agent said it was Work permit issues. It was the Partizan Chairman who said it was due to us being unable to afford him. However he would because he was looking to cash in on him and United pulling out of the deal no matter what the reason would and did lower his price.
“3. Fergie dodges his press conference and leaves Phelan to claim we didn’t want Ljajic anymore because he hadn’t progressed as a player (nice of him to publicly put the lad down like that)
4. The club then contradicted Phelan and claimed we wanted him but couldn’t get a work permit.”
Those two things DON’T contridict each other. He was signed on the condition that he progressed to a point where he would receive a work permit. He didn’t, infact for a player of his supposed level he really didn’t do much to prove he was a special talent. The league he was playing in was pretty weak and really he needed to be outstanding and needed to be closer to the National First team than he was.
Who knows why he started to stagnate in the year, he certainly seems to have the talent but didn’t show it. Perhaps its was Partzans fault or maybe like alot of players at a yound age they just hit a brick wall that despite having the talent they just struggle to get over mentally but he was stagnating
@King Eric
I kind of agree with you on Pique. He would never have been a great at United as his style of player just isn’t suitable for the English game. Some players just find some league styles suit them better than others and the Spanish game suits Pique perfectly (He would probally do well in Italy too) but he was just lost in the English game. Evans showed much better than Pique and is alot more suited as a United player