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United, Arsenal and Italian Records

Roy Keane JuventusManchester United booked their spot in the Champions League quarter finals yesterday evening thanks to a 1-0 home win against Lyon, whilst title rivals Arsenal reached the same stage after beating AC Milan 2-0 in the San Siro.

Italian teams have a total of 11 European Cup wins in comparison to England’s 10, with United hoping to ensure English sides equal that record this season. Last night certainly was a night the Italians would rather forget in terms of protecting their European records.

United and Juventus have a history in the competition, with United fairing rather well against the Italian side. The last time the clubs met was in the Group Stages back in the 2002-2003 season. We beat them 2-1 at home, courtesy to goals from Wes Brown and Ruud van Nistelrooy, and brushed them aside away, winning 3-0 thanks to goals from Ryan Giggs and Ruud. Before that, we played them in our Treble winning season, drawing 1-1 at home after Giggs scored a late equaliser. Hope of progressing to the final faded on our away trip after going 2-0 behind within the opening 11 minutes. Thanks to a fight back started by captain Roy Keane, we went in on level terms at half time, meaning we were set for an outing in the final. Andy Cole sealed the deal with 6 minutes left to play. The first, and only other time we’ve played Juve in the European Cup, we progressed to the quarter finals in 1997, despite losing 1-0 home and away to them in to group stages.

After United’s win last night, we have now equalled their Champions League record of 10 successive wins at home in the competition. This record dates back September 2005, when we beat Benfica 2-1 in the group stages after a late goal from Ruud. The European home game before this was the 0-0 against Lille, when Paul Scholes got sent off with half an hour to play.

A home win in the quarter finals would see us claim the best ever home record in the competition, which is something we would love to pinch from the Italians.

United managed a 1-1 draw in the San Siro against Inter Milan back in the 1998-1999 season, but last night, title rivals Arsenal became the first English team to beat AC Milan at the same ground. Like last season, Milan are having a poor domestic season, and have been looking to claim glory in the European Cup. After managing a 0-0 draw at the Emirates, it seemed as though it would be plain sailing for the Italians at home. However, they never really showed up, allowing Arsenal to boss the game, and knock them out of the European Cup.

Last night was a great occasion for English clubs against the Italians in the competition, but will United or Arsenal be the team to equal their European Cup wins come May?

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Scott is the editor of Red Matters - 50 Years of Supporting Manchester United and an author of Play Like Fergie's Boys and Not Nineteen Forever. He writes for ESPN, The Metro and Bleacher Report. Follow @R_o_M on Twitter.

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  1. les says:

    well, man yoo should be concerned after arsenals poor performance against the brummie sides, this arsenal team is showing bottle after a fantastic away performance (upo there with your 3-2 against juventus)…….you got one helluva battle on here now

  2. PG says:

    Yes to those who were happily writing us off after we dropped points against the Birmingham teams, we are back. Last night’s performance was the kind you would pay good money to go and watch. What are the chances of drawing your lot for the QF ?

  3. Matmos says:

    Milan showed up alright but Arsenal never let them play but you’re right, we did boss the game and the result was in a little flattering for AC.

  4. Scott the Red says:

    Les – up there with our result against Juve? Juve were one of the best sides in the World in 99. Milan are old and the 5th best side in Italy. Certainly, it’s an achievement to beat them, but would this Arsenal side have beaten them before they were old and knackered? Lol doubt it.

  5. Happy Gooner says:

    I see there’s no mention of the score line last year – 3-0, or the fact Arsenal’s last trip to the San Siro a couple of years ago when they spanked Inter 5-1!!!!

    Club loyalties aside, it was good to see both our teams go through last night, and hopefully the chav’s and scousers can make it 4 PL teams through tonight.

  6. gazzap says:

    oh yeah Pato, 18 really old he is. Kaka 25, Very old, Gilardino, 25, Ancient, Pirlo, 28, past it. many of their defenders are late twenties or 30/31 and that is supposed to be the peak time for defenders. Arsenal were just too good for Milan. Milan were not bad either and had they somehow got past us, they still would have had enough quality to pose a threat to winning the trophy. But now they are out and wishing they’d paid more attention to their league games. so can Arsenal pose a threat to winning it? if we play like that again, yes.

  7. Kai says:

    IIt’s so funny that now we’ve beaten them everyone comes up with this oh their “old” and not the same Milan team. Was anyone saying their “old” when they finished top of their group? When we got them in the draw name me one so called “expert” saying “Oh Arsenal are laughing here they’ve been drawn against a bunch of granddads who are far too old to play football” No they weren’t they were saying “Arsenal has the hardest draw out of all the premier league teams” – now we’ve beaten them their old!

  8. Eddie says:

    Scott, you got your stats a little wrong. Since september 2005 this has been Uniteds home games in Europe:
    Benfica 2-1
    Lille 0-0
    Villareal 0-0
    Celtic 3-2
    Copenhagen 3-0
    Benfica 3-1
    Lille 1-0
    Roma 7-1
    Milan 3-2
    Roma 1-0
    Dynamo 4-0
    Sporting 2-1
    Lyon 1-0
    Its ten home wins in a row BTW!

  9. craig mc says:

    Who the F*** cares – the games are over now. It’s the next round which we should all be looking at. Arsenal did well in Milan, but one swallow doesn’t make a summer. I would love ManU to get Arsenal in the next round – but then SO would Chelsea and Liverpool – it will be fantastic if the English clubs have to face one another. Then again, it would be nice if English clubs could get thru to the last four – what a confrontation that will be.

  10. John says:

    why, everytime there is any article about arsenal, the gunners fans come out in force to write drivel about how great they are? haha

  11. James says:

    10 succesive wins at home in the champions league is a great achievement – teams fear coming to Old Trafford once again. As for Juventus, along with the 97, 99 and 03 seasons i believe we also played them in the 97/98 group stage – winning the home match(3-2) and losing away (1-0)

  12. PG says:

    One swallow does not make a summer. A truer word was never spoken. Can we also move on from the FA cup game as well or do the Man U fans believe that it wasnt a one off ? When we play our first choice full backs, we are hard to beat. The smashing we received against spuds and your lot was when we played Hoyte and Traore. Clichy and Sagna are entirely different propositions.

  13. Neil says:

    If I remember correctly, we beat Juve 3-2 at home in ’97, with Sheringham, Giggs and Scholes scoring the goals

  14. RedAddict says:

    PG, such a pity for you then that it wasn’t just Hoyte and Traore that got totally outclassed by United, but also your starting centrebacks Gallas and Toure, who were decimated by Rooney. Your star midfielder, Fabregas, was completely outshone by Anderson as well, and couldn’t get a foothold on the midfield.

  15. craig mc says:

    PG – I see your sentiment!. Only way to know if it was a one off, is when we play you again at Old Trafford, or if we by chance meet in the Champions league. Same goes for your AC Milan result – if you play them again and get the same result again, FAIR DOES.

  16. Tom F says:

    Manchester United have not played their best yet this season, we really need to start playing our best too! However, last night at the San Siro Arsenal peaked. That is good for me, as I know they will find it hard to match that performance where as United have been strolling for far too long this season.

    The 4-0 hammering we gave Arsenal was too easy, we didn’t have to battle like we did at the Emirates in the league and Anderson Shat all over Fabregas..

    Our record in Europe is good, I only hope we build on it.

    I hope all the English teams do well, if Arsenal won it I wouldn’t care, If Chelsea won it I wouldn’t care, If Liverpool did, I would care because we have to catch up on their record in Europe and If United won it, I would be happy.

    Still, would rather win the League!

  17. PG says:

    Ah but Craig we played against Milan over 2 legs and we outshone them in both legs. So we did prove that part. You also know better than me that defense has to work as a unit. If there is one chink, it will always be exploited and run over. Can you imagine Rio and Vidic being effective when Evra and Brown have a bad game ?

  18. KingOfZamunda says:

    First thing’s first- I disagree with Scott about Milan being old and past it, only slightly different form the team that kicked us out last season so props due to the young gooners for that.

    BUT hang on a diddly second the gooner faithful- you are nowhere near United’s pedigree in Europe before you start bleating on about european dominance off the back of a pasting at old trafford and the hissy fit by gallas at st andrews- your result at the san siro was good, certainly a great achievement but nowhere near waht we worked on Milan in ’99. The comaprison made by Scott is very fair in this respect, Juve were the team to beat in all competitions, a domineering presence on the European scene whereas the Milan side of the past few years is the Italian equivalent of what we have with the dippers- do crap all in the league and on a wing and a prayer in the domestic league.

    Rounded off- great achievement, but still baby steps on the path well trodden by United and don’t you all know it.

  19. KingOfZamunda says:

    doh- what we worked on Juve in ’99.

  20. KingOfZamunda says:

    and on a wing and a prayer in the champions league.

  21. Scott the Red says:

    KoZ – a year is a long time for aging players, the decline is a lot faster. Milan were 4th in Serie A when we played them and that was with a points deduction. They’re 5th at the moment. Plus we weren’t afforded the luxury of having Kaka in an off season recovering from injury.


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