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		<title>By: tony tfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony tfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He plays a much more important role for the club than O’Shea and has been playing for longer too. Of course he is right to expect a contract substantially better than O’Shea’s. Just imagine, you work for a company, you work hard for them, you have been loyal to them, and you are due a raise. Imagine you find out that another employee, who isn’t as good as you, who doesn’t work as hard as you, who hasn’t been at the company for as long as you, is already making similar money to what you’re being offered in the raise. You’d put up with that
This is the same situtaion tevez was facing when berbtov arrived</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He plays a much more important role for the club than O’Shea and has been playing for longer too. Of course he is right to expect a contract substantially better than O’Shea’s. Just imagine, you work for a company, you work hard for them, you have been loyal to them, and you are due a raise. Imagine you find out that another employee, who isn’t as good as you, who doesn’t work as hard as you, who hasn’t been at the company for as long as you, is already making similar money to what you’re being offered in the raise. You’d put up with that<br />
This is the same situtaion tevez was facing when berbtov arrived</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Bee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck him pay them all less the greedy fuckers</description>
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		<title>By: Liad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with this article. Wes Brown has been a servant to the club with utmost loyalty and passion and I disagree with many of my fellow Reds. A lot of you have voiced your opinion that he is just a bit-part player and not the most talented, absolute bullshit.  Fergie once said that Wes was the most natural defender in England and I agree totally with that comment, he has all the attributes of a truly great defender. Although naturally a centre-back and a bloody good one at that, he has been playing right back the whole season for us and has done a superb job. I think that United are completely wrong by not offering him more, even if it is 60k I think he is worth it. You cannot buy the passion and connection to the club that Wes has, as good as Vidic and Ferdinand are, Wes is a brilliant player and a local lad which is a necessity in modern day as many clubs just buy good players and disregard the homegrown talent. 
Good on you Wes, I hope you get what you deserve and stay with us for ages</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with this article. Wes Brown has been a servant to the club with utmost loyalty and passion and I disagree with many of my fellow Reds. A lot of you have voiced your opinion that he is just a bit-part player and not the most talented, absolute bullshit.  Fergie once said that Wes was the most natural defender in England and I agree totally with that comment, he has all the attributes of a truly great defender. Although naturally a centre-back and a bloody good one at that, he has been playing right back the whole season for us and has done a superb job. I think that United are completely wrong by not offering him more, even if it is 60k I think he is worth it. You cannot buy the passion and connection to the club that Wes has, as good as Vidic and Ferdinand are, Wes is a brilliant player and a local lad which is a necessity in modern day as many clubs just buy good players and disregard the homegrown talent.<br />
Good on you Wes, I hope you get what you deserve and stay with us for ages</p>
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		<title>By: RF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was surprised by Wes Brown&#039;s dignity in the face of all this. Many other Premier League players would have spoken out.

Nobody can begrudge a player in his late 20s taking 1 last big contract pay cheque to safeguard his family&#039;s future.

His 10 + yrs, loyalty and dignity ought to be enough for ppl to give their blessings to him when he moves on.

Give him a break.

In the bigger scheme of things, Fergie seems to think that he has many long-term options like the Brazilian twins, Simpson. For Utd&#039;s sake, better hope he is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was surprised by Wes Brown&#8217;s dignity in the face of all this. Many other Premier League players would have spoken out.</p>
<p>Nobody can begrudge a player in his late 20s taking 1 last big contract pay cheque to safeguard his family&#8217;s future.</p>
<p>His 10 + yrs, loyalty and dignity ought to be enough for ppl to give their blessings to him when he moves on.</p>
<p>Give him a break.</p>
<p>In the bigger scheme of things, Fergie seems to think that he has many long-term options like the Brazilian twins, Simpson. For Utd&#8217;s sake, better hope he is right.</p>
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		<title>By: denton davey</title>
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		<dc:creator>denton davey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, think that there is a lot of posturing in these negotiations and that Wesley will re-sign when SAF decides that having a tested, journeyman back-up defender is crucial when the rubber-hits-the-road. 

Look at it this way, ACMilan are willing to pay oldies (and goodies) like Cafu to provide veteran cover because they know that in the season&#039;s crunch-time it´s crucial to have veteran defenders who can provide cover for injuries (remember last year ?)

Also, &quot;replacing&quot; someone like Wesley is an expensive proposition UNLESS these Brazilian kids can come good as fast as Anderson.  Any &quot;replacement&quot; - like Lahm or Dani Alves - will not only command a huge transfer fee but also much, much bigger wages than Wesley.

Plus, there&#039;s the penny-wise/pound-foolish argument - for a gigantic merchandising operation like UTD, winning isn&#039;t the main thing, it&#039;s the only thing.  So, what&#039;s another ten or fifteen thousand quid a week for insurance ?  Remember, the club&#039;s budget is based on an income of 250 million quid a year but IT IS FRAGILE so for a gigantic operation like ManUtd, winning has to be the paramount objective. 

It&#039;s hard to be a consistent winner if you strip away key, proven assets and think that they can be &quot;replaced&quot; by the likes of Danny Simpson.  It just ain&#039;t so.  The landscape has changed a lot since &quot;winning with the kids&quot; happened.  THAT was a fluke - it hasn&#039;t happened again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, think that there is a lot of posturing in these negotiations and that Wesley will re-sign when SAF decides that having a tested, journeyman back-up defender is crucial when the rubber-hits-the-road. </p>
<p>Look at it this way, ACMilan are willing to pay oldies (and goodies) like Cafu to provide veteran cover because they know that in the season&#8217;s crunch-time it´s crucial to have veteran defenders who can provide cover for injuries (remember last year ?)</p>
<p>Also, &#8220;replacing&#8221; someone like Wesley is an expensive proposition UNLESS these Brazilian kids can come good as fast as Anderson.  Any &#8220;replacement&#8221; &#8211; like Lahm or Dani Alves &#8211; will not only command a huge transfer fee but also much, much bigger wages than Wesley.</p>
<p>Plus, there&#8217;s the penny-wise/pound-foolish argument &#8211; for a gigantic merchandising operation like UTD, winning isn&#8217;t the main thing, it&#8217;s the only thing.  So, what&#8217;s another ten or fifteen thousand quid a week for insurance ?  Remember, the club&#8217;s budget is based on an income of 250 million quid a year but IT IS FRAGILE so for a gigantic operation like ManUtd, winning has to be the paramount objective. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to be a consistent winner if you strip away key, proven assets and think that they can be &#8220;replaced&#8221; by the likes of Danny Simpson.  It just ain&#8217;t so.  The landscape has changed a lot since &#8220;winning with the kids&#8221; happened.  THAT was a fluke &#8211; it hasn&#8217;t happened again.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like it or not (United fans) Wes Brown has been a part of the Premier Leagues best defence for a year now. It makes me laugh to say he isn&#039;t good enough for a first team place, you people are absolute jokers. He helped us win the Premiership and has helped retain this seasons best defensive record, on top of that he&#039;s playing out of position. Yes he is no Gary Neville, but who is? Not even Scholes or Giggs lead like Nev does. 
Wesley Brown, however has disappointed me by the way that in such a close club, he has let his agent rule over him. We know how much Neville hates agents and I feel it&#039;s a shame when a player like Brown, who has been with us for many years is stalling. At the same time, it&#039;s got to be understood if he did want as much as some of the newer younger players. I wouldn&#039;t want us to sign another defender only to offer him more than what Brown was offered (obviously unless he is World Class).

Brown has been growing in performances and although he doesn&#039;t get forward as well as Neville, he is getting a lot better. I don&#039;t mind waiting til the close season to see where this goes.

I don&#039;t want Brown to leave though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like it or not (United fans) Wes Brown has been a part of the Premier Leagues best defence for a year now. It makes me laugh to say he isn&#8217;t good enough for a first team place, you people are absolute jokers. He helped us win the Premiership and has helped retain this seasons best defensive record, on top of that he&#8217;s playing out of position. Yes he is no Gary Neville, but who is? Not even Scholes or Giggs lead like Nev does.<br />
Wesley Brown, however has disappointed me by the way that in such a close club, he has let his agent rule over him. We know how much Neville hates agents and I feel it&#8217;s a shame when a player like Brown, who has been with us for many years is stalling. At the same time, it&#8217;s got to be understood if he did want as much as some of the newer younger players. I wouldn&#8217;t want us to sign another defender only to offer him more than what Brown was offered (obviously unless he is World Class).</p>
<p>Brown has been growing in performances and although he doesn&#8217;t get forward as well as Neville, he is getting a lot better. I don&#8217;t mind waiting til the close season to see where this goes.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want Brown to leave though.</p>
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		<title>By: eduardo G. Moran</title>
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		<dc:creator>eduardo G. Moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you entirely. I think the club should give Wes Brown the credit he deserves. He will not be earning this kind of money all his life. he has to make hay whilst the sun shines. Wes is a brilliant but gossly underestimated defender. I can&#039;t blame him for feeling aggrieved. This is entirely a different story from the Beckham saga. I hope Sir Alec reconsiders his position. He is definitely worth the extra money he is asking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you entirely. I think the club should give Wes Brown the credit he deserves. He will not be earning this kind of money all his life. he has to make hay whilst the sun shines. Wes is a brilliant but gossly underestimated defender. I can&#8217;t blame him for feeling aggrieved. This is entirely a different story from the Beckham saga. I hope Sir Alec reconsiders his position. He is definitely worth the extra money he is asking for.</p>
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		<title>By: austin reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>austin reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>glad to see most of us agree on the issue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>glad to see most of us agree on the issue!</p>
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		<title>By: spiritof1983</title>
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		<dc:creator>spiritof1983</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as you keep saying you are not going out of your way in supporting the individual player&#039;s case at the expense of the club, I can&#039;t say I find it  so. The article is muddled with presumed details and selective chosen points of emphasis, omitting other relevant issues.

I for one am not against Wes Brown in his contract negotiations as I fully understand the need to get the best deal being this his last contract negotiation before reaching the age of 30. This was the same issue with Gariel Heinze, who unfortunately tried to sell a melon in wanting a Liverpool move for so called football reasons rather than just saying it was for money and the club not exceeding to his demands. The same occurred with Thierry Henry who chose to move after only one year into his new extended contract and after saying he wouldn&#039;t. Age 30 and last big contract is a major factor in this. In Brown leverage is the Bosman ruling that allows him to go for free and us having to fork out transfer fees plus maybe signing on fees and wages for a new target. This is presumed as we can just as easily promoted Danny Simpson or Kieron Lee to back up Gary Neville, with Brown portion of wages now allocated to the younger players, keeping payroll check.

What can&#039;t be disputed is that Brown has in his hands the opportunity of getting signing on fees and a higher wage package from an external club that does not have to pay transfer fees for him. Michael Ballack is a good case of squeezing the maximum out of this avenue. Brown&#039;s agent is no doubt using this leverage.

The club has a targeted goal of achieving wage to turnover ratio of under 50% and have as at last season done so, getting the commendable level of under 43% (Chelsea recently announced theirs at 71%!). It is right for the club to keep this long term thrift practice in mind as the basic wage earnings more than transfer fees and performance related bonuses that has the detrimental effect of  spiralling and snowballing  throught the playing staff. Policy is thought through and discipline in practice should be enforced.

Brown at present isn&#039;t being marginalised. He gets 10,000 pounds per week for every match he makes an appearance (in the papers, a reliable source as details from this article which also come from them). Whatever figure he is asking in addition has to bear in mind that his age IS INDEED about 29 and the contract on offer is for 4 YEARS in a player that in general is not a first team starter (more importantly not expected to be one in 2-3 years time) and has chronic injury record.  This is in fact a long period for a person with injury record and the wages are spread over the period to give the player security, when is could have been lop to say two years at a higher wage that favours the club&#039;s security in case of debilitating injury to Brown later on. (Only Chelsea are crazy to give Paulo Fereira a 5 year contract at this age).


He would in fact have low resale value past 30, which is less than a years time, something that can&#039;t be said of John O&#039;Shea (recent rumour is that Keane wants O&#039;Shea and is willing to pay 4 million pounds for him, as example) or Partice Evra. John O&#039;Shea also has an element to his pay that some other players have in that he brings foreign appeal and in his case the Irish fan contingent. This contributes to turnover and hence rewarding him in return does not mesh up the wage/turnover ratio. Park Ji Sung is said to be elevated to 67, 000 pounds last season, after only one season with us is a prime example. His wage and image rights takes into consideration not just the footballing reasons but also his off pitch contribution as well as his age.  I can&#039;t comment on Evra as I was under the impression his contract negotiations are still underway and have not reached any conclusion.

Brown being local and English has this already taken into consideration and if he is behind, it is because of his own nature being more introvert and not capitalising on his local fame to generate more for the club, that he might get more from them in return. Other like Rooney and Ferdinand etc have and are paid accordingly.

I personally think that Brown will eventually sign and the club would compromise slightly if the repeated three offers (increases) are to be believed. If he chooses to go, I will understand both parties stand and look to the positives, meaning the opportunity to elevate the young players or get someone new, starting at a level appropriate to age,  ability and injury record. It is after all part of our overall rejuvenation programme for the squad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as you keep saying you are not going out of your way in supporting the individual player&#8217;s case at the expense of the club, I can&#8217;t say I find it  so. The article is muddled with presumed details and selective chosen points of emphasis, omitting other relevant issues.</p>
<p>I for one am not against Wes Brown in his contract negotiations as I fully understand the need to get the best deal being this his last contract negotiation before reaching the age of 30. This was the same issue with Gariel Heinze, who unfortunately tried to sell a melon in wanting a Liverpool move for so called football reasons rather than just saying it was for money and the club not exceeding to his demands. The same occurred with Thierry Henry who chose to move after only one year into his new extended contract and after saying he wouldn&#8217;t. Age 30 and last big contract is a major factor in this. In Brown leverage is the Bosman ruling that allows him to go for free and us having to fork out transfer fees plus maybe signing on fees and wages for a new target. This is presumed as we can just as easily promoted Danny Simpson or Kieron Lee to back up Gary Neville, with Brown portion of wages now allocated to the younger players, keeping payroll check.</p>
<p>What can&#8217;t be disputed is that Brown has in his hands the opportunity of getting signing on fees and a higher wage package from an external club that does not have to pay transfer fees for him. Michael Ballack is a good case of squeezing the maximum out of this avenue. Brown&#8217;s agent is no doubt using this leverage.</p>
<p>The club has a targeted goal of achieving wage to turnover ratio of under 50% and have as at last season done so, getting the commendable level of under 43% (Chelsea recently announced theirs at 71%!). It is right for the club to keep this long term thrift practice in mind as the basic wage earnings more than transfer fees and performance related bonuses that has the detrimental effect of  spiralling and snowballing  throught the playing staff. Policy is thought through and discipline in practice should be enforced.</p>
<p>Brown at present isn&#8217;t being marginalised. He gets 10,000 pounds per week for every match he makes an appearance (in the papers, a reliable source as details from this article which also come from them). Whatever figure he is asking in addition has to bear in mind that his age IS INDEED about 29 and the contract on offer is for 4 YEARS in a player that in general is not a first team starter (more importantly not expected to be one in 2-3 years time) and has chronic injury record.  This is in fact a long period for a person with injury record and the wages are spread over the period to give the player security, when is could have been lop to say two years at a higher wage that favours the club&#8217;s security in case of debilitating injury to Brown later on. (Only Chelsea are crazy to give Paulo Fereira a 5 year contract at this age).</p>
<p>He would in fact have low resale value past 30, which is less than a years time, something that can&#8217;t be said of John O&#8217;Shea (recent rumour is that Keane wants O&#8217;Shea and is willing to pay 4 million pounds for him, as example) or Partice Evra. John O&#8217;Shea also has an element to his pay that some other players have in that he brings foreign appeal and in his case the Irish fan contingent. This contributes to turnover and hence rewarding him in return does not mesh up the wage/turnover ratio. Park Ji Sung is said to be elevated to 67, 000 pounds last season, after only one season with us is a prime example. His wage and image rights takes into consideration not just the footballing reasons but also his off pitch contribution as well as his age.  I can&#8217;t comment on Evra as I was under the impression his contract negotiations are still underway and have not reached any conclusion.</p>
<p>Brown being local and English has this already taken into consideration and if he is behind, it is because of his own nature being more introvert and not capitalising on his local fame to generate more for the club, that he might get more from them in return. Other like Rooney and Ferdinand etc have and are paid accordingly.</p>
<p>I personally think that Brown will eventually sign and the club would compromise slightly if the repeated three offers (increases) are to be believed. If he chooses to go, I will understand both parties stand and look to the positives, meaning the opportunity to elevate the young players or get someone new, starting at a level appropriate to age,  ability and injury record. It is after all part of our overall rejuvenation programme for the squad.</p>
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		<title>By: fatmanwalking</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatmanwalking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not agree with this article. Mainly because in now way is Wes a better player than O&#039;Shea. O&#039;Shea is much more versatile, has come in on numerous occasions in so many varied positions, and even as a defender, is better than Wes. Wes, on the other hand, regularly loses his concentration, and more or less relies on Rio&#039;s ability to cover up for his blunders.
So, O&#039;Shea&#039;s salary should in no way be a benchmark for Wes to decide his own salary.
Apart from that, I doubt Wes is stalling the contract signing only (if at all) for the money. I think its more to do with the imminent return of Neville, which, in case it fails, will be backed up by a maturing Simpson and the Brazilian twins. Wes certainly does not have a long term future here, and personally, I wouldn&#039;t mind seeing him leave. I mean, even from his own point of view, it&#039;ll do his career a lot of good if he moves. He&#039;ll atleast be assured a starting position in any other team.
From our point of view, his departure will help blood Simpson and the twins, and put an end to this bumbling &#039;saga&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not agree with this article. Mainly because in now way is Wes a better player than O&#8217;Shea. O&#8217;Shea is much more versatile, has come in on numerous occasions in so many varied positions, and even as a defender, is better than Wes. Wes, on the other hand, regularly loses his concentration, and more or less relies on Rio&#8217;s ability to cover up for his blunders.<br />
So, O&#8217;Shea&#8217;s salary should in no way be a benchmark for Wes to decide his own salary.<br />
Apart from that, I doubt Wes is stalling the contract signing only (if at all) for the money. I think its more to do with the imminent return of Neville, which, in case it fails, will be backed up by a maturing Simpson and the Brazilian twins. Wes certainly does not have a long term future here, and personally, I wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing him leave. I mean, even from his own point of view, it&#8217;ll do his career a lot of good if he moves. He&#8217;ll atleast be assured a starting position in any other team.<br />
From our point of view, his departure will help blood Simpson and the twins, and put an end to this bumbling &#8217;saga&#8217;.</p>
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