Antonio Valencia has given his reaction to being given the #7 shirt for next season, following on in the footsteps of Cristiano Ronaldo, Eric Cantona and George Best.
“I take the shirt with pride, but also with humility,” said Valencia. “The number 7 is very special. In recent years, few players have worn it. When I received the call [to wear #7] I did not hesitate to say yes, I wanted the shirt. I just want to keep playing and keep giving joy to the people of Ecuador and Manchester.”
He also tweeted: “I humbly accept the historic #7. Will do my best. Thanks to God, my family, ManUtd and all the fans for believing in me!”
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Stay humble lad and you will write your own history in this shirt.
Legend! AV7 ur great!
I like how he says that few people have worn the shirt in recent years. Even players in the first team forgot Michael Owen existed
The true T.V will reveal himself next season. I say unleash the beast!
I am delighted for Antonio, who thoroughly deserves this honour. His reaction is so beautiful, just what you’d expect from this humble but determined man who has been terrific for United when fit.
is it true ??
http://www.insidefutbol.com/2012/07/04/manchester-united-lead-chase-for-athletic-bilbao-hitman-fernando-llorente/64934/
Great it is for the believe you have in your self.God of those who wear the #7 no before u,will be with you always.
Pogba watch and learn. Shame more players can’t have Tony V’s attitude.
No its not 423 million reasons why
congrats antonio top man and top player deserves it
AV7 <== has a good ring to it!
Great news. Well done Tony.
Very happy for you mate.
VIVA #7
UNITED!
Yes Pogba should watch and learn, if you want to be succesful at Man Utd, fire your agent…as simple as that.
think he’ll outperform his predecessors not by flair but thru’ what he’ll do 4 the team,plus he’s got it while he’s of age
Off topic, but reading on some other forums about the proposed partial IPO:
1. Apparently, the prospectus says that the money will be used to invest in the squad (purchase/salary) and infrastructure? If that’s true, then it is a pretty clear admission, and the first of its kind, that we were being constrained, as opposed to the official line being trotted out so far.
2. Also, there is speculation that one of the major reasons for the issue is to test the waters and see what the market really values United at, i.e. to dispel any risk of undervaluation during an eventual, larger IPO or private sale. Is this likely/plausible?
I haven’t gone through the documents myself, so would welcome an informed, unbiased opinion.
Tony V could win the Grand National.
VIVA #7
UNITED!
Well deserved! AV7
From my time watching the greatest football club ever.
#7 Best, Morgan, Coppell, Wilkins, ROBSON, Cantona, Beckham, Ronaldo, Valencia and a few insignificants in between.
AV wear it with Glory.
It would be more humble if the official site hadn’t mentioned that he *requested* the shirt number.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jul/new-squad-numbers-for-valencia-and-new-signings.aspx
Shy bairns get no sweets eh!
OFF TOPIC, but just read this comment on F365 regarding United’s proposed floatation.
Some great points I’ve always thought to myself, but never been able to write as succinctly as this fella has managed:
“No doubt I’ll be thoroughly censured for my bias/naivete/congenital lunacy for suggesting this, but the Glazer’s mooted flotation of $100m of United shares in NY, foundation of a Cayman Islands new company, and admission of the operational dangers of debt (I recall something about a “…road to ruin.” many years ago Mr. Gill) illustrates beautifully the flaws in regulation surrounding ownership of football clubs.
Admittedly, public flotation brings inherent risks of buy-out and takeover, and exploitation as a profit vehicle for investors, but there is something eminently unfair about the current state of play. United achieve success in the 1990′s with a combination of judicious spending and investment in youth, exploit and sustain it commercially through aggressive commercial and geographical expansion (thereby exponentially increasing television revenues, of which we still receive disproportionately and unjustifiably little), and find themselves subject to entirely benign interest by a multinational media company. Which is then thrown out as being monopolistic and contrary to the inherent competition required by sport. All well and good then, precedent set.
That Sheikh Mansour was allowed to buy City in the first place strikes me, therefore, as eminently unfair, given that the Monopolies and Mergers commission prohibited BSkyB from purchasing United in the late ’90′s. How one of the wealthiest people on the planet, with a diverse portfolio of companies that allow him to circumvent FFP (were the naming rights for the City of Manchester stadium really worth £400m to Etihad?), and sufficient money to sustain losses that would cripple any other club is allowed to purchase a club, but a publically listed company with similar ambitions, were not, is beyond me.
Whereas United were denied the opportunity for transcendental buy-out by BSkyB, City, a car-crash of a football club with no previous international fan-base, commercial presence or capital reserves (and a stadium built with taxpayers money), can be financially doped into a position they had no prospect of achieving organically. And that’s considered equitable and non-monopolistic. Right.
So whereas metaphorical self-made man United are deprived of the opportunity for continued growth, and then exploited and impoverished, City are cheap and easy enough to attract a sugar-daddy, and then strut in the public eye with a new wardrobe, fake tan, false pair of tits (surely Balotelli?), and peroxide hair-do. And this deserves our approbation and applause.
Either football should be an entirely unregulated, competitive and market driven environment, or a fully regulated one equivalent to the NFL. Both have their advantages. But the current state of play disadvantages the prudent (United, Arsenal etc.) and rewards those cheap enough to attract sugar-daddies with billions to spend and no gold Rolls-Royce to spend it on.”
Thank god I haven’t already bought the Tablecloth. I can now put no 7 and Valencia on the back. Sorry WR 10 I still love you.
Congrats Tony V.
Good post stinkfly.
Bravo to whoever wrote that on F365.
Wayne is a poster on here whose views on the Glazer regime differ dramatically from mine, but he has a very pertinent point when he says that the popular media is all about “United is doomed because it cannot keep up with competition’s investment”, and too few shine a spotlight on the fundamentally unfair nature of such investment – unfair not just to United, but by and large every other club bar, hold it and let me count on my fingers, that’s right 5 European clubs with access to “helicopter-dropped” cash.
Costas – Hello mate. I have addressed you on the Pogba thread. No I meant fuck the youth that are leaving not the posters on here!!
Wow. That guy really knocks the nail on the head.
Round of applause.
Thanks for posting that stinkfly!
Love your work Stinkfly. Appreciated.
UNITED!
Congrat boy can’t wait to see u continue tearing ash cole apart
So he WAS the replacement for Ronnie all along…
@ 4theloveof the game – are you serious? outperform his predecessors?
i just wonder what this will do to Nani’s morale and form….. He will surely be unhappy
@izzy
No. Nani’s always been very opening about wanting and being happy with no 17.
Good points Stinkfly!
And congratz to AV7!
His demeanour can’t be more different when compared to those that have previously worn it. Valencia is humble and will stamp his personality on it. Maybe it will give him more determination to want to impose himself on the big stage, could be the push and responsibility he needs. I’m not big on numbers but congratulation antonio, hoping to witness big things from him next season.
In mildly entertaining/interesting transfer news, Gylfi Sigurdsson has gone to Tottenham instead of Liverpool.
1. LOL @ Liverpool who thought they would get him through the Rodgers connection.
2. Does this free up Modric to a transfer? If yes, presumably to Real. If yes, can we get Sahin, Diarra or Khedira? Surely not all three of those would be guaranteed a decent amount of 1st-team football next season?
He grabbed my attention from his first game ,I thought fucking yeah.
kanchelskis:
SAF does not buy anything from real, he pretty much proved it when we sold Ronnie…
happy for Antonio. old school winger with only one thing on his mind. Thank fuck young didn’t get it
@World Class
Interesting point. Have Utd ever bought anyone from Real, before or during Fergie’s reign?
Forza Ecuador !
Good lack Valencia……pls make us proud
Kanchelskis
Apparently all the Spanish press suggest Real have cooled their interest in Modric. If he is to move only Chelsea and PSG could really afford and require such a player. Whether money has been put aside for signings, with the prospect of securing a windfall from the IPO, is another question? If so then I’m sure he will be wanted and afforded by us. Moutinho would interest me more, however, tht is just a personal oppinion and no contact has been made by us to Porto or his agent.
Role model for all young footballers. Him, Nani and Rooney were the best strike force on the earth in the season after Ronaldo left.
Jimmy bob James21
So you gonna purchase the gingham? I am a jinx with shirts, last two I had led to poor seasons last seasons heartache with city, and season before last when Chelski stole it!!! No way I can get one this year, bought or as a gift?! Anyone know when the white one is released? Want to get one for my bro.
Hopefully AV7 can go on to become as legendary as this no. 7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=6kZLs7B7peI&NR=1
av7.he deserved it.pogba is destroying his on great future
…didn’t the evil aliens spare even a single fucker?
@Jeet:That was fucking hilarious.Greetings from mars.
Great reaction by the lad, fucking United through and through……..Great attitude, humble oh and can also play……
By the way….
Young >>>>>> Nani
Just saying
@Cedars
Controversial! What makes him better than Nani IYO?
Just check this gypo cunt out. What a wanker. Nice shorts Andy :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2168548/Andy-Carroll-wanted-AC-Milan.html
Costas – You alright mate? Tried posting earlier but hasn’t come up. I meant on the Pogba thread the Youth can fuck off, not the posters mate!!
No way Cedars,Nani before Young for me any day.
Udhala –
kanchelskis
You got it mate, just being controversial………A point made to some snide fucks on here…..To be honest I would seriously pick Young ahead of Nani, sweet right foot, more direct in his approach, tracks back when needed. Nani is good with out doubt but world class? Na
King Eric – he’s so useless, he still comes second to Rio’s Israeli stag do outfit …
hi ROMers. Wonderful article posted by stinkfly. Pls kindly post the link to the article. Will be nice to have a full read.
@Cedars
Each has aspects of their came that is better than the other.
Young: Workrate/tracking, crossing, set pieces, decision-making
Nani: Pace, touch/control/general skill, shooting, versatility
On balance, I prefer Nani.
Evening nuts suckers around the world
Tony V, the humblest guy next to Scholesy
AV7 rules
kanchelskis
Fair enough mate, do not get me wrong I like Nani, just prefer seeing Young in the starting line up
Antonio Valencia : I want to stay at Manchester United for next 15 years, even if Real Madrid or Barcelona want me I’ll stay here.
Dave Whelan (chairman of Wigan) :
‘If every footballer was like Antonio, life would be wonderful. He is a quiet, clean-living, well-mannered young gentleman. When United and Real Madrid came in for him I told him straightaway. I promised all the South American lads that I would keep them informed when the big clubs came in. I did the same with Wilson Palacios. Real Madrid offered us more money but I advised him to go to United because I knew Sir Alex would look after him.’
Pratyush:
Great clip mate.
King Eric
Piss take of the highest order mate……..Cunt must be over his head!
Unfortunately Nani plays much better on the right than the left which is occupied by our new number 7!! Kudos to the fact that Nani can play left and right and on his day I would suggest Nani is world class. Has the ability to do whatever the fuck he wants (his goal at Arsenal 2 years ago) Unfortunately his lack of consistency is infuriating and takes away a bit of the shine from the player. Personally though I’d have him ahead of Young.
@King Eric
HI mate. I am good, thanks. How are you? Ah, thanks for clarifying. I was messing around though anyway!
Mike
His goal at Arsenal? You mean the own goal by Almunia?
… it’s a difficult one, and I suspect there are some myths out there, waiting to be destroyed. For instance, I recall reading somewhere (backed by stats), that Nani had one of the highest track-back, tackle and interception rates amongst wingers.
Nani can do things which Young cannot – no doubt about it.
Young can consistently do the things he does very well, and this season has popped up with some very important goals.
For my money, I would bet on Nani to start even ahead of TonyV when we are up against classy defenders, say, if we had to face Maldini all over again, or let’s say Lahm, my vote would go to Nani every time. Also when the tempo is is going to be high.
Against the more run of the mill, or slower sides, it’s very much up in the air.
Fact is, we are blessed to have 3 superbly talented wingers, and I have no doubt there will be ample opportunities for all three during the course of the season.
Young any day for me……..Calling Nani world class is an exaggeration. Messi and Ronaldo are world class, Nani is no where near their talent or class
M19ke
Don’t you bother then. I’m just a sucker for new shirts, I’ll intend to keep my old one but I’ll probably impulse buy in the end.
Just confirmed my ticket for next season so don’t forget your earplugs.
Are we near Dean?
Cedars
Robbo 7Legend.
Jimmy James
You fucking beauty, you know how to sing my tune…….Lets not turn this into a Robbo thread though eh?
Toni Valencia, OBE.
Top man!
Not sure whether to pity or congratulate those sitting next to you James
Cedars
Love him too. But you’re right its about AV7. Lets get them blue nosed fuckers smashed and back to where they belong… ‘Has Beens’
Cedars
He has the ability to be world class is what I’m saying. He can do things Tony and Young can only dream about just doesn’t do it often enough. Jeet – I wouldn’t say Young was particularly consistent this year either and if we were looking at who had the best Euro 2012 I think we’d all agree it was Nani.
@cedars: Not to re-ignite the world class debate, but Messi and Ronnie are on a different planet.
To me the definition of worldclass is “a player that would walk into the first XI of most top European clubs” – by that definition I would think Nani is pretty close, no? Apart from Bayern (Nani vs. Ribery very much debatable though) and Barca (because they hardly play with typical wingers), I can’t think of any top European club where Nani wouldn’t start.
Mike – true that
Cedars
Nah its ok. I’ll be quiet so I’ll blend in pretty well.
Goodbye Tier2, met some great lads up there.
James21
Good lad! Glad we got it sorted. Yep, same section same row as Deano. He’s seat 25. Can’t remember what ours are? 30 something ??
M19ke
Nani lives in Downings shadow. Definately World Class is Scouse Stuart.
Nani has the ability to do shit…….Least of all be world class. Has more bad games than good ones, Young is far more consistent…………Hmmm Wonder why Fergie stuck with Young ahead of Nani towards the end of last season?
M19ke
So we’ll be enjoying a warm Singha and a cold pie together.
Jimmy James
You quiet on match days? The day that happens I will relocate to Tibet and become a monk
Cedars
Don’t want to upset M19ke. Lets remember he’s just moved from the SAF Stand, the noise might be too much of a shock. I heard a rumour that someone acually sung there once other than when the team scored.
And so the banter begins.
People need to catch my drift, if you catch my drift!!
James
People at the SAF were allowed to sing? Thought it was banned
From the land of ” Give Me Liberty, or Give Me Death” Happy birthday Liberty.
I wish it was easier to become a citizen.
Thanks for the wishes Willie and Jeet and the rest.
Tony V is one of those great sporting stories. From hunger to the heights of the sporting world. So glad he is a Man Utd player.
Debt has hurt some big transfers, no shit. Well read RoM regs with banking backgrounds laid it out for me 18 months ago. Debt meant moderate spending till 2016 then with FFP even at 1/2 strength Man Utd to compete for the best again. That is why SAF new he could not lose his next best player to CR7 so he made the Glazzers pay the lad a going rate. And stayed the course with a plan put in play after the banking fall out.
A sheikh Pimp Daddy VS Glazzers????????????
Robot Chicken shit!
Last post of the day – Nasri and the Camel…as promised. Zibbie and NRD are barred from reading this, for footballing reasons, of course…
Nasri is invited by the Sheikh for a luxury cum adventure vacation. On a sightseeing trip deep in the desert, a severe snowstorm blows up. Nasri is lost, can’t find his guide, sand in his GPS and is generally fucked. Roams around for 3 days and realizes that a) he is about to die of thirst and b) he is still a virgin.
His last wish is to get laid, but there’s nobody to oblige in the fucking desert. In his desperation, he thinks, “Damn it, it’s all about friction, just skin on skin, so I might as well try the damn camel. Beggars cannot be chosers.”
The camel however, is having none of it, and leaves our hero bruised, battered and bloodied. He’s just about to give up, curl up and die, when in the distance he sees the vision of the hottest, most angelic female form, dragging herself towards him, on the verge of collapsing, and with her clothes torn and frayed. He thinks his mind is playing tricks, it’s a mirage, but it turns out to be real.
On seeing Nasri, she begs him to guide her to the nearest village. Now Nasri being the right cunt that he is, thinks, “What the fuck, we’re both gonna die, but I’ll never get a better chance than this.”
Nasri: “I’ll guide you out of the desert, but what are you going to give me in return?”
Angel in Human Shape: “Ohh, anything, absolutely anything you want!”
Nasri: “Sure about that?”
AiHS: “Absolutely, you have my word – please, just get me out of here!!”
Nasri, eyes glowing with self-fulfilment: “Well then, just hold that damn camel, will you?”
Night, lads!
I don’t agree with this inconsistency tag attached to nani either. He’s a player willing to gamble and do unusual things with the ball. The basics can be taught and will only get you to a certain stage, courage, skill and belief will take a player beyond the normal horizons. Nani might fail with his attempts at times but keeps trying and gets rewarded for it. I will always say it, he’s far more talented than any winger united currently have, he learnt all his craft on the streets of lisbon, this is where technical skills are born and i know some hate the word ‘technique’ but that’s exactly england continue to struggle on the international stage. Ability with the ball has got to be paramount, nani has it in abundance and has to be encouraged for wanting to try something unpredictable.
What is world class? well that’s open to opinion but for me, it’s a player blessed with all the ability and the mentality to impose it, it’s a player capable of match winning contributions and nani is amongst that category. He’s not messi or Ronaldo but no one across europe can match the contributions of these two but stepping down from their unbelievable level, you always get the likes of nani, Rooney e.t.c who aspire to such levels, who have the necessary skill to reach it but may or may never do, time will tell. Nani is world class for me, young, despite being a very good winger has proven nothing to get such a tag and i’m not putting him down here but i doubt he’d reach such world class levels simply because he doesn’t possess the gift of these players.
My Dick
Happy Independence day pal…………Land of the free and all that bollocks! ha ha ha
Who’s Nani. Did I miss something?
Tony V7
Nani
Young how fun.
60 some games in all competitions
I like all 3 hehe
Get Sanchez! hehe Rodriguez hehe!!!!!
I want more!!!!,
Jeet Red Cards Me!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!
I love it when my bait grabs one……….. Nighty night Jeet
Seems too fucking early though!
Epic fail – I meant “sandstorm”
Good night, again!
Thanks Tree!!!!!!!!!!!!
May everyone have the ability to vote for who they wish.
Off to Mommas!!
Cedars
“Hmmm Wonder why Fergie stuck with Young ahead of Nani towards the end of last season”
I think you could safely say our two MOST important games in the run in were Everton and City. Nani started both those games! Phone has died by the way, got your last text…on Ma Kelly’s laptop.
James21
I was only in SAFstand for one season! Stretford end prior to that. Now that was quiet!!! Never beat United Road in its pomp!!
Zibbie
I wish you the same mate……….May dodgy elections never be repeated in your land of the free, you know like when George W’s brother rigged the fuck out of the elections from Florida
@Samuel
Understand where you are coming from regards to talent. Its just that Valencia, a player who only got his basics right, is performing at a higher level than Nani most of the time.
Like I said, no point comparing our wingers, they all have their strength. And if you just think about it, their strengths are all different, which gives us options. Whoever can perform at a higher level at that point of time, will get the start, period.
Mike
Give your mum a big fat juicy kiss from me…………A special from the land of the cedars
Lately and specially last season, I miss someone like Robbo or Keane or Ince. Some bravehearts who play our central midfield like a wounded fighter who fight for his ground til last breath. I saw this quality in brief apppearance of Tom Cleverley early last season. After Tom got injured, the teams seemed to play without guts in midfield. After Scholes came, we have that guts again. But we could not play Scholes week in week out. So, I hope nothing happen to Tom C in Olympic. Then, we can have a proper team with guts to fight in midfield.
I’m salivating to see combo of Carrick, Tom C, Kagawa in the middle. Plus Scholes as Yoda to them. And maybe Tunni and Petruci as their back up.
August seems very long way to go. Grrr…
Cedars
Your wish is duly granted pal!
Is Scott avoiding the IPO?
Cuz he would have to Criticize Alex Ferguson for lying to us all along and telling us how good the Glazers were!
Lexxy
Are you for real? Na, more of a daft dick if you ask me
Marq – Valencia is a determined player and i’m not suprised he performs more. Players like antonio are crucial to the team because as much as you can have the dazzlers, the players capable of brilliance at any moment (nani), you also need to balance it with valencia who is pretty formidable going forward in his own style.
All i’m trying to say is, if success is to accumulated then you want the great talents in the team, it’s easy to call them “Luxurious” players, it’s easy to lambast them for not running around like chickens on ecstasy, they need to be appreciated and encouraged. Their skill should be marveled at not ignored or shunned.
I think united have a batch of quality wingers. Nani, valencia, young all bring different style and All will be crucial to the Team’s success.
@CedarDevil. . . . . I knew u will amongst others will be upset. Am not a mad dick or prick, Just man enough to say what u English fans cant say.
Cedars
Are you an Englishman. Welcome to the club at last.
Can’t agree Nani is world class sam. His decision making is consistantly poor, he’s selfish and ball greedy.
He has the whole ingredients to be World class but until he changes his attitude he’ll just be very good on his day. How many times will he sky a shot over the bar when other players are in fantastic positions or run a ball out of play when he should have passed it long before.
Great to watch on his day and glad he’s at Utd but he’s a very frustrating player indeed.
Lexy
Sir Alex is a football manager, not an accountant. I don’t recall him lying? David Gill however did come out and say that United were financially sound and could continue to be competetive with such a huge debt as it was sustainable. The IPO report suggests how glaringly innaccurate those statements from Gill were. Either he Gill and the Glazers are not financially astute, they horribly misjudged what Sir Alex was able to achieve with little little financies or they were pulling the wool over our eyes. I think everyone on here realises that the last few seasons that saw us challenge for trophies was purely and simply down to Sir Alex. I think the Glazers thought he could continue to work miracles but last season has made them realise that even HE is human.
Great News
He deserves it.
Aaaand RVP’s just announced he won’t be extending his Arsenal contract.
Brilliant. Fucker’s off to City, isn’t he? Fuckety-bye, Premier League 2012/13.
It’s all over Sky Sports. RVP has decided not to extend his contract at Arsenal.
Looks like he is on the way to Citeh then…!
The days of the dynamic gung ho midfielders like the controversial but legendary roy keane are long gone. You get midfielders with definite fixated positions (deep lying playmaker, defensive midfielder, attacking playmakers). Football has moved on and fans better evolve with it. Box to box midfielders are diminishing across europe, teams flood the centre now. FERGIE knows that hence the purchase of attacking playmaking midfielders like kagawa and powell, they both may well be a start to a shift in formation from the gum chewing master tactician. Next season will be interesting, we shall see how he fits in players and how they play. A more flexible formation will see united play more free flowing attacking football but with balance and authority.
Fuerza Tony! Fuerza numero siete!
Off topic, Understand Robin van Persie will not sign with Arsenal. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/04/robin-van-persie-arsenal-no-deal
Cedars the famous tree of England!!!
Kanchelskis
Calm down son….RVP to shitty won’t guarantee them fuck all. Ballotelli wont be happy, Tevez will see his arse again and what to do with Aguerro??? Too many cooks spoil the rancid fucking broth!!
What a day of revelations it is for Cedars. First he finds out he’s actually English and now his boy is fucking off to City.
jeet got it spot on. nani is a world class. Young? not quite. and there’s nothing wrong with that.
But our Portuguese winger is miles ahead. plays better for his country too.
simply no contest
@mikekelly
Front 3: Aguero, Tevez, RVP with Balotelli deputising for any of the 3 positions
Frankly terrifying.
Kanchelskis
I don’t think their strike force was what they needed to strengthen really, scored bucket loads anyway. Anyway, who’s to say he aint coming to Old Trafford. Sir Alex says he has a couple of deals he’s working on, debt is about to be erradicated, he says he’s not interested in wages….welcome to OT RVP!
BREAKING NEWS:
A naked drunk high on a peg of schnapps has been seen dancing around a fire made of cedars in the land of cedars. Policemen found him screaming loudly to the gods to ensure his long-lost son reaches the place of their spiritual ancestors. Someplace called the theater of dreams in a town near the sea.
You guys heard anything about this? Any sources?
James21 – yes i understand he can be infuriating at times but most attacking players are, he’ll try do difficult things rather than lay a simple pass but i think his positives beats the negatives. Decision makings will come with maturity and i think nani has improved massively Since he joined united. I think he’s world class and a player i would not want to lose, you’ll never get a flawless player (messi?). His contributions of nani in the euro tournament shows he’s ready to step up another, we should get him signing the new deal, he’ll be winning united matches regularly.
@mikekelly
I admire your optimism. Let’s leave it at that!
M19ke
Who’s to say he’s not doing a WR10.
Shitty might offer kettleneck or Thickotelli.
Diego Forlan is available for a Utd return. He made the Scousers cry.
If RVP is leaving, then he’s doing it for the money imo. So there’s only one club that has a chance at getting him?
He will follow Adebayor, Clichy and Kolo Toure’s footsteps. Remember when Arsenal fans mocked us for being Real’s feeder club?
Meanwhile in the real world we’re fucked
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/jul/04/manchester-united-glazers-shares-debt
sam
I don’t think he is world class. He’s come on leaps and bounds at Utd and like I said he has all the ingredients to be world class. I actually like him and he’s great to watch but theres so many times where I want to strangle him. I think he craves the attention that Ronaldo got at Utd and maybe that effects his jugement.
Cedars
Next you’ll be swapping alcohol for cream tea’s and football for croquet. You English Oak You.
RE IPO. One of the things that I really relished when the Glazers moved to a US release was the amount of detail we would get about the workings of the business.
One thing I expected as well was a rash of articles by idiots who don’t know much about US investment prospectuses.
A Prospectus is meant to reveal all the worse case scenarios with the express intention that when your wee gran decides to invest her last shilling she can’t go back and say she was duped if she looses it all.
A prospectus is like the small print on your bottle of medications. If you read them you will find statements that may include death and stomach ulcers, even on aspirin.
IF we do have a thread on the IPO, I TRUELY PRAY that it is introduced by someone who doesn’t have an anti Glazer agenda and immediately focus on the clearly apocalyptical elements of the IPO.
The news release by MUST and the articles in the guardian and the times were just that, fear mongering. We don’t need that.
What we need to hear is what we have learned from this wealth of data that will be usefull going forward.
Things like the actual number of the Debt where the funds will go.
1) @ £423.3M (down considerably from 4 years ago?)
2) The purpose for raising the funds: they intend to use the proceeds to pay down the debt and invest in the club.
3) Where previous funds have gone: loans to family aside, there have not been big payments to the glazers which were forcaste by some.
Things that are not useful are uninformed statements about Class A and Class B shares. All major corporations use elements such as this. Making an issue of this reveals more about the agenda of the writer than it does about the Glazers.
I am not a Glazer apologist. We would be better without leveraged ownership. But to continually shout about things you don’t understand is just not useful.
The IPO is an opportunity to measure where we are.
If this is successful, we may see future releases of shares. I expect each release will be accompanied by additional releases of information about the financial footing of the club.
Hopefully, debt continues to decrease, and investments in the squad rebound. Information is what we have gained. Let’s learn from it.
Forgot Nasri. 4 players in 4 years.
well fletchtheman, in the new prospectus they finally admit the debt is screwing us, I’d post a link but you’ll find it on most “broadsheet” websites and read David Conns article in The Gaurdian for a balanced view, it isn’t good reading.
Cyril: I humbly present the latest episode of Agent of Fergie:
http://www.agentoffergie.com/2012/07/playmates-part-two.html
Fletchtheman wrote, 3) Where previous funds have gone: loans to family aside, there have not been big payments to the glazers which were forcaste by some.
How about the payment of 10m to the Glazers that was then used to pay off bonds they had purchased against us in the last refinance, you couldn’t make it up.
Poor Cedars.
His son is gone, possibly to City. He did say that he would lose all respect for RVP if he did though…
And they’ve finally proved it, Arsenal really are City’s feeder club…
However, as Mike wisely said, too many cooks spoil the broth.
Too many inflated egos at the noisy neighbours, and Mancini is NOT the man to contain them.
Always thought RVP was an overrated cunt.
Robin Van Persie is TOP TOP TOP CLASS.
Van Persie is joining United in exchange for Nani…you heard it here first
Cedars,
what up with your love child ha?
Robin van Persie has announced he will not be extending his contract at Arsenal.
Robin van Persie : “I’ve thought long and hard about it, but I have decided not to extend my contract. You guys, the fans, have of course the right to disagree with my view and decision and I will always respect your opinions.”
feel bad for le arse. and I hate feeling bad for em but lately their senior players habe jumped ship at an alarming rate.
any player going to shitty must be pretty daft,I mean where the fuck are they gonna play.
Matt, My point exactly. Every owner takes funds out of the club. It is an investment after all.
The crippling aspect of this ownership model is the 500M the club have paid to service and buy back debt. Not the smallish (relativley) sums paid to the Glazers. Not by my and your budget obviously, but relative to a club worry over 1 billion?
Sadly, we can’t go back. But we can learn and hold the family to the fire to use the funds we have to invest in the club.
Piss off!!!
Cyril,
nice one pal,
a big LOL at Roman
Keep up the good work mate, much appreciated..
So I am English after all? Ha ha ha
Poor arsenal keep on losing players. I really doubt whether they will stay in top 4 next season. Honestly I don’t want him in old trafford. He is 29 and is injury prone so I will not spend 20 odd millions on RVP. Having said that I really want to see a dutch player in United shirt. They are successful.
Clint – No thanks, don’t want RVP here anyway, will only hinder Danny, Chic and the other strikers progress
Imagine if RVP signs for us,
Che Cedara will run naked from Lebanon to Old Trafford, via Greece for Kebabs with costas
and may be via a nyt with James in those bloody jungles in tarzan style
that will be the latest version of Tarzan,
a chest thumping red nut hugging a naked red gone bonkers
What is it about the captain’s armband at Arsenal that makes players after a few years want to leave? Vieira, Henry, Fabregas and now RvP.
RVP is overrated. One good season doesn’t make you top class.
So where is RVP off. The purist in me was hoping he’d stay. However Arsenal need to put this to bed quickly now! Don’t let it rumble on! Only a passenger on a ship remember! The ship will always be there!! – Gary Neville.
that is bloody brilliant comment by RedNev.
applies to every club and players and fans..
the ship will always be there!!
Piers Morgan @piersmorgan
Any #Arsenal fan who thinks we’ll win trophies with Podolski & Giroud replacing RVP is living in cloud bloody cuckoo land.
back to the ground you cunt Morgan?
For all Indian footie fans here,
the biggest news for us,
Our captain Sunil Chetri joins Sporting Lisbon..
http://arunfoot.blogspot.in/2012/07/indian-football-captain-sunil-chhetri.html
Unprecedented for a country like India. Not since Mohamed Salim (Celtic, 1937) has an Indian had a chance to play in top tier in Europe.
Cedars, time to disown your child me thinks.
Dont like to sound racist here,
but is this Beast the first non white player to wear the coveted number 7?
the old reds can clarify me this…
Willie
Wash your mouth with soap mate
I don’t know why people are putting a negative spin on this IPO. No, we can’t opporate effectiveley with crippling debt, but at least they’ve now admitted that and are making plans to put it right. The only sad point is that it has cost us £500m to find that out!! But now an IPO is in place that pays ZERO dividends and whose SOLE purpose is to pay down the debt and invest in the team. How is that a bad thing???
RVP sucks dick… if you catch my drift….just saying!
Costas,
hard to disown a love child me thinks
@Sandeep
If by any chance RVO joins us (which he won’t), Cedars will celebrate just as much as Fergie did after Bruce scored the winner against Sheffield Wednesday.
I knew he’d bite!
@WillieRedNut
He would have other good seasons too if he wasn’t injured.
Have a look at his goals per games ratio.
But of course that makes him overated.
Which is proabably why both Barca and Real will be after his signature.
But ofcourse he ent that good. Probably because he plays for Arsenal.
RVP not RVO lol.
RVP is drifting towards the bitters…..
Alpha – You clearly didn’t catch my drift.
Costas,
those 2 brucey headers,
oh my gawd..
permanent memories of every United fan
###
the 2nd went in like a guided missile
Sandeep,
First South American as well. That isn’t to say that there havn’t been some oddities;
Ray Wilkins wore the shirt (now revealed as Uncle Sylvester from Addams Family?)
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2010/11/21/1290339906651/Ray-Wilkins-006.jpg
so at least bloodless, I would imagine ?
This is probably not going to be popular, but I think Valencia is not suited to be the number 7 and Nani was the obvious and superior choice. Nani is the more creative and more brave player between teh two and is a better fit with the heritage of the no7 than mr effective Valencia.
I really hope this doesn’t mean we’re going to lose Nani. Posters on this blog who by in large never seemed quite happy wtih Cristiano will have the same reaction once they appreciate the imagination and spark Nani brings us.
@WillieRedNut
I like you. Let’s leave it there. Ha.
JULY 4, 2012 AT 16:54
CedarsDevil says:
Zibbie
I wish you the same mate……….May dodgy elections never be repeated in your land of the free, you know like when George W’s brother rigged the fuck out of the elections from Florida
LMAO ok local shit
@Sandeep
Yep. Few players scored better headed goals than Bruce. The guy must have had bricks in his head.
Willie & Costas
Pair of buggers the both of you……..
Mike
Catch your drift? not in this life time
Alpha – I was winding up a certain Lebanese prankster lol.
Zibbie – Jello! Hope you’re enjoying Independence day mate?
I give up! see you in another 6 months
I drift upon the Willie tides of life. A fullmoon tide last night hhoowwwwlllllleeellelllellled at the moon last night..Wolfie’s post pull on my inter emotional tides.
I’m with MikeKelly, Look to the positives and see if this plan works. Don’t think anyone in business would say that debt is a good thing. But dept in business can be made to work by reducing taxes and improved bond ratings if you show history of managing the debt.
The club have been working to reduce the debt and this is the next phase. Late in the day, but never too late surely.
Does anyone think that Magnier and McManus, or previous owners, didn’t take profits?
Grow the club, let the team win things and bring honor. All we can hope at this point.
Stop winding up Cedars. Start winding him up a lot.
Costas
Ha ha ha ha
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The history of the number 7 shirt at United was that it always went to out and out right wingers! So in that sense Tony V7 is a perfect fit. The first none winger to wear it was Bryan van Robson (for cedars) and that was only because Coppell was out.
Does anyone know Ian McGarry from the BBC? Is he a blagger or is he well informed? He says RVP will complete his move to city within 2 weeks for a fee of around £22m. Contract of £225k per week already agreed.
May RVP bring the Cedars Curse with him to City.
Van Persie will not go to City. I think even he is better than that. Put my mortgage on it wherever he goes he won’t match last season.
Robin van Bitter
Nani “braver” than Tony, Tom? Err I think not. I wouldn’t imagine Valencia crying on the field at Anfield. I like Nani and on his day is top drawer but it’s Valencia all day long for me.
Robin van Mercenary
Ha. Robin Van Bitter. God I detest those bitter cunts. Just cherry picking Arsenals best players. Horrible cunts.
I’m pretty sure his dad, Bob vP said a few weeks back that his son wouldn’t go to another English club and that he wouldn’t play in Spain, so sureley only Juve and PSG should be on the radar?? But we all know how fickle these footballers are.
RvP rapes shit, me son is not going to the bitters
Robin van bitter ha ha!
RVP a good asset for the PL. The AC will come from a land of sand in light blue flowing robes. Offers answers to perplexing questions. All seems good till the cash in time. A soul once a person decides to part with it, demons dance a happy prance.
Matt – What ya gonna do? The cunts are firmly entrenched now.
RVB!!!!
Mike I saw the same story about Dad.
Robin Van lemon sucker!
FTM,
Thanks for that,
King Eric,
how are you mate?
you hit the final nail on the coffin of RVP
Poor old Cedars
Its time for Willie and M19ke to have a go at the red who is nuts on the dutch
Costas – You’re pulling me up on typos? Cheeky bugger!
Zibbie
I thought I’d heard that story. Thanks for confirmation.
I saw a great interview with SAF talking about how $hity like Chel$ki raised the bar. SAF went after Che$ki broke apart rebuilt, went on a 4 in 6 season run of PL Champs 19!!!
Now $hity doees the same. He has a new team almost ready (No Fletch).
13 gone in 2 years so far more to follow? with player bought and promoted 11
Gone In
G. Nev – Lindy
VDS – Smalling
Wes – Lil Pea
JOS- Jones
PIG- DDG
Gibbo- Powell
Obertron- Kagawa
Delate- City kid?
Hargo- Young
Owen- TC23
Pogba- Welbeck
Ravel
Berba??
Zibster,
good summary,
and i think Berba is staying..at least me and Costas think so
Seems Zibbie left out the almighty Bebe…..I think SAF lost a bet somewhere in there
Nani “braver” than Valencia?
I’m going to give the benefit of a doubt and suggest English isn’t Toms 1st language and something was lost in translation
If we truly want to find out who’s “braver,” let’s have a quick ROM poll on which of the two would be willing to battle Anderson for the last pie at the table
Before his knee Keane earned a look at 1st team play, Tunni as well. Lingard, Cole. The great thing with Man Utd age is just a number, 18 Giggs, 18, Rooney, 19 Jones ect. Come on Powell 19 just a number.
SAF says 1 maybe 2 more new lads and 1,2,3 breaking into 1st team games in CC and such. When Wes then JOS got hurt Rafa took the ball and ran. Now a true Red just signed 4 years, TV7 the right looks well attended. Nani when he is on he burns white hot, fight hard lad.
25 man roster 21 and under do not count and what 5 or 6 British in the 25?
LOL cases of wine as well!!!!!!!
The body has a way of helping with great trauma, and making one forget great HOROR!!!! Thanks for triggering a pain filled time on RoM for me. Until now I had forgot.
ididnotzeeit LMAO!!!!!
AV#7
Take your game to the next level with this iconic shirt. As crazy as it seems we all know you got the potential to be even better TONYYY!!!
good choice giving the number 7 shirt to united’s best wide player. I have always had mixed feelings with valencia, that some games he can be a little one dimensional, once a fullback stops him using his left foot to go out wide on the right he can be stopped. But valencia is still united’s best wide player by quiet a distance, if the boss give valencia the number 7 shirt just after ronaldo had left, the pressure and expectations would have and could have been the undoing of valencia’s united career. I am delighted the number 7 shirt ihas been given to one of united’s first team players, and not wasted on a squad player
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TV7, Young, Rooney hitting their prime at the same time!!!!
I saw this dude win 18 million bucks last night playing poker.
Interesting and fairly balanced read on the IPO:
States that Cayman Islands position may be make “…… a hostile takeover more difficult”. Don’t really think that is the driving force.
Read somewhere that british tax authorities can only levy against a portion of such a company? Anyone have any ideas about that?
http://football.uk.reuters.com/leagues/premiership/news/2012/07/04/B8D926B6-C600-11E1-B059-2E438033923B.php?rpc=401
Welcome to United Rodrigo Alvarez
Spanish Keeper
http://www.radionavalcarnero.org/2012/06/exclusiva-rodrigo-alvarez-atletico-de.html
Really pleased for Valencia to get the shirt. Surprising but very pleasing. Well done Tony you have proved everyone wrong since joining from Wigan.
Kagawa,
If anyone has ESPN hot dogs are going down as many as 60 in 10 min. and there buns.
Joey Chestnut rules hot dog eating world, beat back Kobioshi.
Cayman Islands have a much lower corporate tax compared to U.S. and UK. Major corps such as Intel and Oracle (lots of other Grade A companies) do this. Read this blog post to get a really simple and informative view of what the IPO is and what it’s aimed to do.
http://www.writtenoffside.com/2012/07/the-manchester-united-ipo-what-it-all.html
Ah, that’s nice of Fergie to sign a mate for De gea. Welcome to United Rodrigo Alvarez.
There will not be a hostile takeover because the Glazers and those who hold Class B stocks will retain the majority of voting power.
“While the holders of B shares own at least 10% of the company they will control 67% of the votes, ensuring investors in the IPO can never expect to secure any control.”
What next? A new winger, can’t ever have too many wingers, eh Fergie?
(Didn’t we just buy a keeper for 20m who is 21 y o?)
Just a bit off topic but right now i’m watching the Movie adaptation of the Munich Crash “United” Looking good so far.
New keeper would be expected to move right into the Reserves as he is a year younger than Sam Johnston who is the only reserve keeper on our books. Rumors that we were in for the england U19keeper Butland, but the deal for Alvarez puts an end to that if true.
Anyway, the lads Twitter account now lists him as a United player. Let’s see when/if the club confirm it.
Bienvenido a United hijo!
One area where united are really strong is the goalkeeping department. De gea, lindegaard, amos, sam johnstone. Why on earth are united signing another fucking keeper? This transfer will be one i have no answer for.
I can honestly say we are well and truly ”Fucked”
The biggest joke today has been the rumours linking andy fucking hairy biker carroll to Ac milan. How low will have the standards of the illustrious club dropped if they sign him? gotta be a joke surely?.
Anyone feel van persie is all but ready to join city? if he has any respect for arsenal, he’d leave the premier league.
https://p.twimg.com/Aw-fR_iCAAAfbXQ.jpg:large
Keep the # flying.
Samuel
Got a funnier one. Tomorrows headline in the Daily Mail is Robin the Red. Says were ready to gazump city and sign RVP….. Haha!!
Apparently SAF is in for RVP. It is the Daily Mail though. Ha.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2168919/Manchester-United-line-Robin-van-Persie-bid-Sir-alex-Ferguson-bids-fight-City.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
United have sent a delegation to Brazil to sign Lucas Moura. Daily Mirror exclusive. Say no more….
MikeKelly – the papers are really running out of ideas. Van persie to united? Never going to happen and no thanks. what next? milner to replace messi as the new king of camp nou?. Goodness me!
Where is the news on the fact Glazers going bust and financially in trouble re their whole empire. The Chavs. Milked United for 500mn and loaded 400mn of debt now they want to float the club on the NY exchange. It’s a fucking game to them. Morons.
WTF. We needed another goalkeeper as much as I need the new Bieber album. I really hope this isn’t the “1-2 things” Fergie was looking into.
is this true about cantona -> Cantona received an eight-month worldwide ban and various fines, while he attempted to leave the club on a number of occasions, but he remained and went on to claim four Premier League titles, two FA Cup wins and three triumphs in the Charity Shield, while he also came third in the 1993 Ballon d’Or.
source http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/07/04/3219347/from-best-to-ronaldo-the-iconic-manchester-united-no7s?source=breakingnews
did he try to leave+?
@mikekelly12
You need to remember its a financial document that has many legal consequences if investors even think something the information was slightly oversold. It was the same situation with Bond’s documentation where there was a lot of worst case scenarios raised because they had to be to cover themselves.
i’m pretty sure if you get hold of the Facebook documenting for their float it posts far from the rosy situation that they really are in. I certainly know Zynga’s (creator of Social Networking games such as FarmVille) wasn’t despite the vast revenues and low operational costs of the company.
This is just the Glazers next step in the plan they had since day 1 (not the floating per say but the refinancing of the debt). The Bonds mature in 5 years so they were always going to be partially refinanced, I’ve been saying all along I expected there to be some sort of debt still attached to the club after 2017 but reduced as while the debt figures were in an acceptable range it was at the higher end.
Now it’s happened earlier than I expected but we have seen repeatedly the Glazers don’t hesitate in pulling the trigger. When a chance to refinance and reduce the principle of the debt and also reduce the interest payment they have taken it (it’s where Liverpool got into trouble because they continually hesitated and missed the boat) so while it’s early it’s no surprise they have done it, especially when they are being advised they can get rid of a chunk or even all of it without having to pay dividends to the new shareholders.
When it comes to the lack of interest entitlements that is surprising, however despite what people seem to be thinking it doesn’t mean the club suddenly has a windfall. That extra £40mill a season DOESN’T help.
The issue on signing players hasn’t been the transfer fees as the spending plus the offers submitted where they player has either gone chasing the money or just had a preference for another club. That money’s been there and the problem lies in wages and it wouldn’t matter if costs were reduced to ZERO the wage budget wouldn’t rise.
The wage budget has since before the Glazers been 50% of revenue as wages are what get clubs in trouble and that’s the only sensible option. Costs don’t pay a part with revenue, they could magically get costs down to Zero and the wage budget wouldn’t shift up. All that will happen is the club will have between £7 and £44mill a year extra in cash without really helping.
All that extra money can really do is either sit in the bank doing nothing or it will go on schemes aimed to raise the revenue further (for example expanding the stadium but personally as its the SAF stand that needs upgraded which past estimates suggest would costs over £120mill to increase the ground by 20k I doubt that will happen as its not costs effective. To get 20k more into OT ticket prices would need reduced across the board so you would the new 20k to generate enough income over a reasonable period of time to hsxc £120mill plus the gate receipt reduction on the other 75k )
@WeAreUnited
He made one attempt to leave a he felt he was being treated unfairly.Fergie made a mad dash to speak to him and talked him out of it
I have read many news and articles of IPO to understand its working and have to say its not bad. Firstly we need not pay 40 millions each season for the debt and secondly Its quite possible that IPO could wipe out the debt. I also read the risk factor and it is very unlikely that Manchester united would miss out on champions league. I will not even talk of getting relegated. So the risk factor are not that much.
Now even the glazer’s will be under pressure as they know if we don’t perform well in the pitch it will affect them. The success of IPO depends in our performance. If we are successful and keep on winning trophies our debt will be over.
I am very happy that Tony V gets the number 7 to wear. He is a class player and will give his 100% in every match.
http://redflagflyinghigh.com/2012/07/blogs/uniteds-stock-flotation-analysed-explained
Makes for better reading. Seems scott wanna stay out of it or he’s trying to fully grasp the whole situation first. Wouldn’t blame him. Following united has made us financial experts after causing significant weakness to the heart. Lol
http://www.exetercityfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10436~2832403,00.html?
Another youngster joining united. Its a good thing that we are developing the future of our club but We need to sign a proper midfielder.
Welcome to United Sean Goss. 16yo Academy prospect !
Apparently, Le Arse are adamant that they would rather let Cedars’ lovechild leave on a free than sell him this year. Yeah, right…
Had a hilarious conversation with a gooner yesterday, he kept blabbing “Don’t worry, RvP is nothing special, we are getting Podolski, in Monsieur we trust, we will be back…”, till I had to scream at him, “You fucking tit, I dont give a shiny fart whether you guys are back or not, I just don’t want to see that dutch bastard at shitty!”
Shut him up and gave him a hurt, “jeez, I thought you loved me” look on his face
Good read:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2168959/Glazer-family-finally-cave-Manchester-United.html
Morning Reds!
So Robin van Pussy has decided to fuck off. Seen a couple of gooner friends go on about how he’ll sign a new deal and how he’ll want to end his career as an Arsenal legend. Also how with their new signings and Mvilla they’ll challenge for the league. Well there goes your legend admitting your club are not good enough to win trophies anymore
If he wants to stay in England can’t see anyone other that City signing him. Don’t think he’ll go to Juve or any Italian club. Barca maybe if they decide they won’t play with 3 midgets upfront next season..
A few days not been here and No.7 shirt is already allocated
Fergie give me my shirt back
On a serious note, Valencia deserves this shirt given his performance last season and if he stays injury free he will create chaos on the opposition once again. But does this also mean we are shutting down the shop and no more transfers???
Now now folks, behave, no need to be calling my son all sorts on here…….It hurts you know!
Oh and morning dip shits
Can anyone tell me when will we know how much money has been raised from IPO?
Barca maybe if they decide they won’t play with 3 midgets upfront next season.
Ha ha ha ha
Classic one Panderi
Ash
In about 15 minutes mate
Cedars
Are you serious mate? Because I am really interested in knowing that.
Good luck to 7ONY V!
Zino
That was a very interesting read.
“I love United more than I hate the Glazers” – great quote!
On that, how many on ROM would buy a share or 2 to help United rid the debt but knowing the $$$’s are going to the Glazers.
I would! because as quoted, I love United more than I hate the Glazers.
Valencia hs been immense for united since he arrived. The critics slammed Fergie for signing him as replacement for Ronnie. United would never be able to replace Ronaldo but Valencia has been fantastic and gets on with the job at hand. He may be a different player to Ronaldo but hes been very affective. He suffered that horrific injury and again critic thought he wouldn’t come back the same. But again credit to him, from the momment he step back on that pitch he was supurb. Lets hope knighting him with the legendary No 7 makes him better. Now thats a scary thought. Rise AV7
Ash
The $100m is a ‘placeholder’. It is like a minimum amount. I have read some where that they are looking to raise $1b.
http://thepeoplesperson.com/2012/07/04/manchester-united-to-float-on-the-new-york-stock-exchange-within-90-days/
Another interesting take on the whole IPO thing.
I am no financial expert but I am going to be going through the entire Prospectus to see what it says. I’d like to read first hand what all the fuss is about. It’s amazingly huge but there’s a lot to be gleaned from reading it, that’s for sure.
Wakey made certain things a bit clear yesterday, so that’s good. I’d also love to read what Stateside has to say about all this if he is around. And I am still waiting for Anders’ perspective on the IPO, since he is the be-all and end-all of football/United finance for me.
Overall, I will always be against public listing of a football club. When the Singapore listing was initially announced, I had a discussion with Stateside over the adverse effects it can have. Anything and everything can trigger a steep drop in the share prices. Market volatility is another factor as well. I personally wouldn’t want United to be listed at all.
However, we are in a situation where the club’s finances are in total disarray. Capital is needed and the least risky method in general public is listing on a stock exchange. So, there you have it. I am still against the whole idea but I’ve made my peace with it and do support the move to a large extent since a large, if not the whole, percentage of our debt stands to be cleared from the proceedings.
The biggest problem for United will be selling the IPO. The shares have no dividend and 10 times less voting rights over the shares held by the Glazers. That is not the best proposition for prospective buyers. However, this is Manchester United we are talking about. The biggest brand in world sport. There are still numerous markets we haven’t tapped and the potential for our growth is enormous. Nearly every major brand wants to be associated with United for marketing reasons. That has to be reason enough to buy into United. The value for increase in the share price is great. Whether that alone will be enough to make up for reduced voting rights and no dividends remains to be seen?
Personally, I’d like the Glazers to be in-charge of a debt-free United. They’ve proven themselves to be efficient businessmen (apart from the whole debt thing). I am not a Glazer defendant but anybody who cannot see that they’re better than being open to takeovers from sugar-daddys is living in denial. They don’t disrupt the functioning of the club in general and their aggressive marketing (needed in their position) is exactly what we’ll need to push the prices up even after the IPO.
Afternoon reds around the world,
each passing day, how fucking badly i miss our team in action..
Good moming all reds. LMAO att he idea of us buying RVP. a 29 year old injury prone man who had one good season? HAHAHAHA
Ash
Me serious? are you kidding me?
Robbo
I understood that mate but I wanted to know when will we fans know how much money has been made in IPO.
Soy Sauce
What are you on about pal? RvP at United would be a match made in heaven
I think The Glazers have proven themselves to be shrewd businessmen. Off the back of the global fan base they have incresed the revenue coming in to the club through marketing and consistantly tried to reduce the interest payments by borrowing money at a reduced rate or paying down the debt.
What I was never happy about was the leveraged buy out of Manchester United.
No matter how much of an expert anyone is their is always a possibility of it all going wrong and if it did Manchester United would have been no more. Everything top to bottom would have been broken up and sold off starting with the players, the training ground, the stadium. It is that risk that made me dislike The Glazers.
In an ideal world we would have perhaps wanted a fan based ownership where we had more of a say in the running of the club, but would we be bringing in the kind of money in to the club we are now? Looking at the amount of money spent on interest looks eye watering and on the face of it we could say that this money could have been spent on other things such as transfers or increasing the stadium capacity. But if it were not for The Glazers that money wouldn’t be there in the first place.
I used to dislike The Glazers alot. But as time has gone on my opinion has slowly changed.
With a possible move to 4 2 3 1 this season it will be interesting to see how they adapt but with his new found confidence I think it could be a huge season for the Ecuadorian. Excited!
@Balaji: That’s a good read – even if the ipo raises 200 mil (I doubt it will hit the 1bn mark), that’s the debt down by half
A friend of mine did a thesis on floating football clubs and his conclusion conveyed one fairly simple message which was to say that it is a bad idea. They are not conventional businesses and are not run nor are subject to ‘normal’ market forces. Personally I haven’t bought United shares and I won’t in the future.
That was well written by Paul Bienkowski. Thanks for the link balaji. I really hope we manage to eradicate considerable amount of debt if not the full debt. I just hope glazers don’t take some amount out of the money raised by IPO.
A club that is owned and has decisions made by fans is not a good idea at all. It is far from ideal. Even on this forum itself, you can see how silly and stupid fans can be. Hate the Glazers all you want, but if you look away from the debt, they have been the perfect owners, leaving all football matters to Sir Alex. Compare that to Liverpool and the likes Chelsea & City, you will see that we should be glad with who we got.
On a side note, another day, we get linked to another player, Lucas Moura
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRuTap8MBxg
He looks good, but I’ll say the defence are all shit as well, lol
@Bobby Charlton’s combover: There are some industries for which going public is generally a bad idea – professional services, e.g. management consulting or audit firms, is one that comes to mind. Typical exit path is in the form of a sale, or if enough cash is being generated – a partnership. There’s a very good reason why so few, if any, of the large football clubs are publicly listed. I wouldn’t bet against the Glazers buying back the shares at some future date.
@Jeet – you mean they want to raise money to float the club then hope the shares tank – buy them back for a pittance and de-list the club after more than halving the debt?
Depends on the time horizon, and the investment appetite. From what I’ve seen, the glazers seem to think they are onto a good thing, and are loathe to relinquish 100% control over the club. Of course they won’t buy back the shares at their peak value, but not necessarily “hope for them to tank”.
Lol seems Cedars’ dreams could be fulfilled if this is true:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2168919/Robin-van-Persie-wanted-Manchester-United-Manchester-City.html
This from another site quite interesting.
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Investors typcally hate being prejudiced against. I work at a bank in London and typically have to convince clients that want to keep a tight leash over voting control that it is a bad idea. I mean, i have a portfolio of companies that I invest in personally but I would never enter into a position like that even if i am only owning 0.0000001% of a company and my vote would matter little anyway.
Nevertheless, the dual share structure has worked for some companies. The Murdoch run News International as a good example. If you ignore the battering their share price has taken post the failed Bskyb bid and post the phone hacking scandal, it was a very successful media company despite its obviously flawed share structure.
I would point out a few things in case people are wondering, I have only skimmed over the short-form prospectus atm so can’t be too thorough. Sorry if you knew this already, I don’t mean to patronise.
The actual amount raised will be more than US$100. I phoned my mate at Jefferies in London and he said he would ask around as he knows a few people @ the NY office. Initial thoughts were this could be over US$500m, and anywhere up to US$1bn. It all depends on investor demand. If they can get the price they want (i will come onto this in a minute) then I can definitely see them flogging US$1bn. This is for 2 reasons. The first is that share sales are expensive. (genius) Let me elaborate. The cost of MUFC listing in NY without any sale of shares will still be high. Listing fees, acc fees, legal fees. That whole document of 283 pages would have been prepared even if they weren’t selling any shares at all. That is required just to list as a public company. Therefore it is cost effective to split your fixed costs (those mentioned above) over as large a transaction size as possible. The only cost that will increase is the listing fees (negligably) and underwriting fees (massively). They also do not have the problem of losing control of the company (as outlined above). Basically, if demand is there, they will make the most of it. We won’t know the banking fees until the underwriting agreement is finalised. Typically in the US legal fees are lower than the UK but banking fees are higher.
Markets are picking up nicely at the moment. The IPO market is still pretty lethargic after a really promising start to the year. Still a lot of anger about following the Facebook debacle so there is some weariness that may detract from our valuation. Morgan stanley off the syndicate was a good move; they were one of the main protagonists for the Facebook valuation and so are keeping their head down at the moment. Could be other reasons like they didn’t agree with the Glazer’s valuation though – proven by the existence of Jefferies as the lead bookrunner (unusual to say the least) as smaller banks like Jefferies suggest higher valuations to get onto syndicates they wouldn’t otherwise have got anywhere near. I have absolutely no idea baout valuations at this point, but the banks must be nearing the Glazer’s estimation for this to be proceeding now – 90 days to get it done.
The risk factors. Whilst it might look all doom and gloom, the factors listed in this section as ‘threats’ to the business is just complete legal bollocks that covers the companys backs should a doomsday scenario occur. They are just used to inform potential investors of the absolute worst case scenario so that they can’t be sued should that 0.000001% chance of it occurring actually happen. Things like the Premier League/Sky may fold, we might lose all our sponsors etc. Nothing whatsoever to get worried about.
Dividend policy. Very good bit of news. No dividends will be payable to holders of A Shares for the foreseeable future. Whilst this is not ‘binding’ in the sense that dividends may be paid in the future at least it shows that the Glazers see the need to retain any profits in the near future for investment in players, and to pay down any debt (if there is any left) after the IPO. However, hidden away in the doc is a sneaky little £10m dividend paid to the Glazers in April of this year.
Use of proceeds. ALL OF THE PROCEEDS WILL BE USED TO PAY DOWN DEBT. WOOP!
Over-allotment option. Once the size of the offering has been clarified and the bookbuild is finished (the order book), the banks may sell additional shares on top of the total amount to be raised to satisfy demand in the secondary market. Essentially -the Glazers will only get any cash after all of the new shares have been sold, and it will be their existing shares that they are selling.
Management/consultancy fees. We paid c.£10m in total to the Glazers for these ‘services’ in the last 12 months. Again not great but not the end of the world. This kind of thing does not go down well at all with investors when the existing principal shareholder pays himself through the premise of ‘consulting’. It certainly wouldn’t be very attractive were it to remain in place but thankfully the plc will dispense with these ‘services’ prior to listing so no more hidden payments made to them.
Cayman Islands incorporation. Means absolutely nothing. No doubt newspaper boards will be full of “they don’t even pay tax in this country, the robbing bastards” and we will ge the Jimmy Carr treatment. Fact of the matter is that we will be paying tax in the US (lower than the UK, but not Jersey low) so we will still be paying tax, just not in this country. Purely for capital gains tax reasons I believe although I am no where near knowledgable enough to confirm (lawyer in our team deals with all that nonsense).
Sorry for the long post. My dad rang me up to ask what was going on with it so assumed there might be others who are curious.
lol Cedars. I understand your admiration for RVP but at this point we are trying to get younger not older. Plus we have Wayne Rooney here anyways and we’re trying to grow Welbz and Hernandez. Why would we go and pay 20 + million for a man who will clock 30 next year?
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jul/six-young-players-sign-pro-forms-with-manchester-united.aspx?
Congratulation to these kid. I hope we sign nani and fryers also.
Van Persie,be delighted to see him here but No chance of that happening unfortunately.
Hi guyz,I hope Nani doesn’t come out again with one of his ‘leaks’ this time clucking that TV7 ‘demanded’ the No7 jersey a la CR7′s 5th penalty kick imbroglio.We have it on record 7ony affirmed that the club called him asking if he was interested in having the shirt.What Nani did in CR7′s case smacked of aggro if not downright pettiness to me if u asked me.And yeah,I luv that quote-I love Utd more than I hate the Glazers.So apt.Get stuck in the partial IPO Reds!
@daemondada
Nani didn’t want The No. 7 Shirt because 17 is his favourite number.
Perhaps Nani got fed up with Ronaldo and his me me me attitude.
It says alot when x2 defenders are taking a penalty before the 2nd best player in the world.
Ronnie is a big game bottler anyway when it comes to penalties.
Ronnie has missed v Barcelona 2008, v Chelsea 2008, v Bayern 2012.
Sorry i might seems bad person, however i feel so sad for Nani who i have support for so long. I know Nani wanted to stay but he always lack security i feel. Nani i feel can get the number 7 too however, i think Sir Alex have his own reason for not giving.
Valencia is great however, i dont feel he is up to it yet but still i support him for having the history number 7. I not sure whether he requested for it or given to him by the boss. I read on the news it say he requested for it. I hope he will improve more and suit his shirt and be proud for everthing.
I hope Nani do stay. I dont believe he is going for the money as mention by some people. I believe he and Anderson have a big say in our future. I do hope both staying if not i will be pissed by everything!
My first XI for our first pre-season game is;
Lindegaard
Smalling Rio Evans Baines
Valencia Carrick Scholes Kagawa
Chicharito Berbatov
We have Park,Jones and Powell on the bench. Some kids like Macheda, Johnstone, Fryers, Reece Brown,Petrucci, Tunnicliffe
Robbo- true that. Lol
Daemondada- i don’t quite agree with you bcos it is very possible that he was asked how and why the 5th was designated to ronnie. What would he have said? Plus, if you read his full statement, he didn’t blame ronnie or anything of that sort, he only spoke the truth.
As for the jersey number, nani has spoken times without number as to how he views 17 as his lucky number and YES tony asked for it. Read that somewhere, i think at manutd.com
Tony asked for it and he was called cos his ‘demand’ was met. *Winks*
@Clint: Hmm…just makes me happy thinking we are getting closer to those days of starting XI predictions
…
… though the wait is absolutely killing me!
Aren’t you counting the Baines chicken a bit prematurely?
Anyway, I would like to see:
Da Silva Smallling Evans New LB
Carrick Jones/New Midefielder/Tunni
AV7 Kagawa Nani
Danny/Berba
…Basically, I would like us to try the 4-2-3-1 with Kagawa playing in his best position, and see what we get. I’m sure there will be some interesting observations. The biggest question I am trying to answer is of course, “In the event we don’t sign another midfielder, can Jones, or one of the youngsters play the Fletch role?”
@parryheid
great post – the time taken to write such an informed post is appreciated.
Alpha,kel,Zino-well I believe in the old adage ‘what happens in the dressing room stays in the dressing room’.On a lighter note,just heard that the brazilian Lucio formerly of Inter has just signed a bumper 2 year contract worth +2 mil per season with Juve after having his contract with the Nerazzuri prematurely torn up for whatever reason.And to think that some on here have bn going on on how our vets such as Rio,Park,Carrick,Berba,Evra et al are ‘past it’.Sheesh!Lucio is older than the lot at 34!
Alpha,kel,Zino-well I believe in the old adage ‘what happens in the dressing room stays in the dressing room’.On a lighter note,just heard that the brazilian Lucio formerly of Inter has just signed a bumper 2 year contract worth +2 mil per season with Juve after having his contract with the Nerazzuri prematurely torn up for whatever reason.And to think that some on here have bn going on on how our vets such as Rio,Park,Carrick,Berba,Evra et al are ‘past it’.Sheesh!Lucio is older than the lot at 34!
Sorry for the double post.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton-fc/everton-fc-news/2012/07/05/100252-31330849/?
Hell our first game is on monday night. Hate the monday night games. Now have to wait till 20th august to see Manchester united play. Always prefer the saturday or sunday to have united matches.
Jeet –
Nah I just put him there because of the uncertainty around Fryers, Fabio out on loan and Paddy returning later on in the tour because he was in the Euro’s.
Baines? He’s coming for sure
We can play 4-2-3-1.
Lindy
Biggie Smalls….RioFerdy…Big Jonny….Left Back
Carrick….Scholes
AV7….Kagawa…..Park
……….Chicha…………….
Rafael will be in the Olympic squad so will he make the tour squad?
If Clevs and Giggs aren’t in it surely De Gea and Rafa will miss the tour !
Rooney,Welbz,Young,Jones ( played a little) all had a summer tournament so I don’t expect to see them.
Ando’s broken, Fletch is still ill, Evra + Nani also on a break….so we are really short on players.
I expect to see the above 11 plus Ando(?), Macheda,Berbatov, Jones(?) and around 5-7 young kids.
@daemondada: Do you follow Serie A? I ask because I am curious as to what exactly Juve are up to -they seem to be investing big time in their squad, and don’t seem to mind being a bit of a cunt about it…
Clint – the only question is “what could we possibly learn in pre-season by playing Scholes-Carrick?”
…or Hernandez as the lone striker…
Don’t want Jones in the midfield,he’s a CB.Bring someone from the reserves to play there if we aren’t going to buy but please not Jones. Give them a chance.
Jeet,
I’ve been asking that “can we find a Fletch replacement from within the current bunch” question myself. I’ve only seen Tunni play once, and he didn’t give me the impression that he’s ready yet. Maybe people who have seen more of him would disagree but I think it would be best for him to go on loan to somewhere like Wigan. Jones on the other hand I believe can do that job fairly well but that said I don’t want to see him shuttled around and converted into another utility player. Plus you can’t expect him to perform consistently well in that role week in week out like Fletch would. So, with Fletch’s situation still as unclear as ever its imperative we sign someone. I would also like us to sort out Jones’ best position out as soon as possible.
Oh and thanks people for the links/posts about the IPO. Hope some good comes out of it..
Bring back, wing backs like the dippers in the 90s.
Tony on the right Ashley on the left. Rio Vidia smalling at the back with Carrick sitting in front of them. Kagawa Rooney Nani and Welbeck mixing it up in ATTACK!!
Now that’s entertainment
Jeet -
“what could we possibly learn in pre-season by playing Scholes-Carrick?”
- Not much apart from whether they can play another year together with the same effect.
- Plus Is Anderson even fit? Is Powell a central midfielder? We’ll find out in his cameo appearances.
- Doubt SAF will test out a 3-man midfield in pre-season….Jones is centre midfield? Can’t see happening regularly ….plus isn’t he joining up at a later date?
- Chicha might play the lone striker role, to best show off the ability of Kagawa who loves playing in behind so, perhaps thats the option we’ll opt for.
@Wakey
thanks!! I was young when I started supporting United.
It was 98 and after the world cup. I saw beckham playing and I started realizing ManUtd and thought if a player like him plays that good, what about his team, the probably play even better.
so Cantona issues were before me. Now I know about that too. King Eric.
So thank you!
@jeet.As I said yesterday Jones CAN deputise for Fletch until his return.It wasn’t that long ago that we were fawning over the lad and calling him the next Duncan Edwards.Remember Big Dunc was also used as a utility player all over the park tho being less than 21.That didn’t stop him being effective.Lets not act like plastics rather let’s prove him worthy by giving him the minutes he so desperately needs in that most energy sapping of positions.He’s bound to make the occasional mistake yet with older heads like Scholesy(last lap probably),Carrick,Giggsy et al to steer him aright,those teething problems should be dey and das between.He sure provides more than just a screen for the back 4 with his ability to take the game by the scruff of the neck and bomb forward quite unlike Henderson.Just ask Rio.And as to what Juve are planning with all those seniors on their roster-European domination on the back of their domestic dominance of course!No substitute for experience.Just ask Pirlo.
@jeet.As I said yesterday Jones CAN deputise for Fletch until his return.It wasn’t that long ago that we were fawning over the lad and calling him the next Duncan Edwards.Remember Big Dunc was also used as a utility player all over the park tho being less than 21.That didn’t stop him being effective.Lets not act like plastics rather let’s prove him worthy by giving him the minutes he so desperately needs in that most energy sapping of positions.He’s bound to make the occasional mistake yet with older heads like Scholesy(last lap probably),Carrick,Giggsy et al to steer him aright,those teething problems should be dey and das between.He sure provides more than just a screen for the back 4 with his ability to take the game by the scruff of the neck and bomb forward quite unlike Henderson.Just ask Rio.And as to what Juve are planning with all those seniors on their roster-European domination on the back of their domestic dominance of course!No substitute for experience.Just ask Pirlo.
@jeet.As I said yesterday Jones CAN deputise for Fletch until his return.It wasn’t that long ago that we were fawning over the lad and calling him the next Duncan Edwards.Remember Big Dunc was also used as a utility player all over the park tho being less than 21.That didn’t stop him being effective.Lets not act like plastics rather let’s prove him worthy by giving him the minutes he so desperately needs in that most energy sapping of positions.He’s bound to make the occasional mistake yet with older heads like Scholesy(last lap probably),Carrick,Giggsy et al to steer him aright,those teething problems should be dey and das between.He sure provides more than just a screen for the back 4 with his ability to take the game by the scruff of the neck and bomb forward quite unlike Henderson.Just ask Rio.And as to what Juve are planning with all those seniors on their roster-European domination on the back of their domestic dominance of course!No substitute for experience.Just ask Pirlo.
seems like the new keeper we signed was some kind of hoax.. sad sad people
confirmed on twitter from someone who works at carrington
@Ash: For once, I’m delighted that we play on Monday, Aug 20. Most likely I’ll be on vacation with family on the weekend
@Clint: Agree about Jones’s role being up in the air – I believe that he could do the Fletch role, but of course I could be wrong.
Disagree about Hernandez as lone frontman. I don’t think he’s much good in that role (and I absolutely adore that kid), and Rooney’s always going to start, and Kagawa so far being the star signing, that can’t be Hernandez’s steady role.
Disagree about the need to find out the longevity of the Carrick_Scholes partnership. In my mind, and assuming Scholes is handled properly, there’s no doubt at all about his ability to turn it on for another season.
The thing is, all of us pretty much agree that 4-2-3-1 is the way to go in Europe. We lacked players who could do a long term job in 2 key roles in that formation – one of the middle 2, and the central figure of the 3. The latter is sorted with Kagawa, or so we’d like to believe. The BIG question we need to figure out is Carrick_’X'? If we don’t buy, who’s X? That, IMO is what we should try and figure out before anything else.
Thanks Daemondada, I get it, I really do!
Anybody knows who good this Lucas guy is…Mirror is reporting that we have sent a delegation to get him..
Sorry for the triple post.*few and far between*
Jeet, After all these years, ‘X’ is still unknown. It’s such a shame.
Buggerji
Jeet
Good for you then mate. In india the monday night matches starts at 1 am so it becomes very difficult to watch as next day I have to go to college. Anyways I will try my best to watch. Last time when the first match of the season was on monday midnight we won the league . 2 years ago against new castle.
Ash – I know when the matches start in India, I wonder how?!
…but don’t recall the geordies-at-OT match starting at midnight? I remember that match pretty well – Scholesy put in a masterclass and we won by 3, right?
@Ancha
dont worry about him.. chelsea failed with a 32million bid for him, so clearly we have no chance
but about the player, i asked someone about what they think of him, he covers that league a lot and he compared him to be on the same level and with the same potential as neymar.. very good player
David Gill and John Terry go to a peepshow. There’s a booth with a hole in the wall – you can peep through it, or you can go right in and participate. The flyers are advertising 5 pounds for a peep and 10 poundsif you want to go in and join the fun. CLLC being a man of action, a true leader, goes in. Gill says he’s too old for that kinda stuff and peeps. CLLC waits and waits, but there’s nothing in there, except a bleating goat. He waits some more, but he’s getting a boner with the anticipation, and he’s really angry, so he brutally shags the goat. He comes out in a rage, and says, “Come on, we gotta complain! These guys are just conning us!”
David Gill says, “What the fuck are you on about? I just saw you shag a goat for a fiver – that’s what I call value in the market!”
After noon shit brains
Have I missed much? Or are you fuck wits still on about my son?
Happy for Antonio Valencia, I also hope we sort out Nani’s contract, if Ferguson played Nani how Bento plays him for Portugal we would be seeing the best out of him. He is more talented than Young and Valencia although Valencia is more consistent. Play Nani in his right position and he can be devastating. I don’t believe that it’s about money when it comes to Nani, its about being able to express himself on the field compared to his Portugal performances.
As for Ronaldo being a big game bottler that is bullshit, scores against Porto and Arsenal in the Champions League for the teams progression. Scores in the final against Chelsea, scores in the copa final to win Real Madrid’s first trophy, has scored in his four games against Barcelona, scored in the Euros to allow Portugal to progress out of the group stages and semi final so much for big game bottler. As for Robin Van Persie saying his club lack ambition it wasn’t long ago Rooney said the very same thimg in fact his was worse as it was only after one season of not winning a single trophy. Robin hasn’t won a trophy in 7 years so I can understand his frustration but I won’t be gloating over Arsenal’s problems because we have our own players who have done the same.
Jeet
Yeah. And we also saw a berba goal. Great performance by our team. I hope to see the same stuff against everton. Eagerly waiting for the season to start.
Just to be clear, the whole Alvarez thing is a bizarre hoax. Player doesn’t exist.
I see the Indian division doing their best to take over this place……..With over a billion of the buggers I cannot see how we can stop them to be honest
Daemondada
Good point about Jones. I think people forget how bad Fletch was when he first started playing. I wouldnt mind seeing Jones in that CMF role next to Carrick. He is a year older and wiser.
Obviously a Martinez or Strootman would be the ideal but as a ‘cheap’ option or even as an option it wouldnt hurt to give him a go.
how about that lad (sry forgot his name) who we signed from shitty to join the tour? If Berba is not sold then surely he’s on as well
30-35M for Lucas Moura??? SAF is losing the plot or what? for an unknown Brazilian player who pays such money? I would have instead pay about 25M for Martinez or 50M+ and get Neymar
RVP hasn’t done the Arse any favors by going public,reduces his value,can only be doing it because he wants out before the season starts.My guess to City for 20mill and 200k a week
Robbo,I don’t think we’ll be seeing much of Jones in the CMF cos the pressure on SAF to buy a ‘ready made’ fit is overwhelming.Yet,I’m positive if given the opportunity,Jones will sparkle.
wayne
Cheers pal, you just made my day with that post……….The mere thought disgusts the living day lights out of me
One paper said that RVP would join City for as much as 225k per week. That’s why he’s leaving the Arse for City. And that’s why we can’t get him.
Costas – do we NEED RvP? Given that we aren’t exacly flush with funds, I’d rather we focus…never a fan of the “too good to miss” arguement – a CR7, by definition comes up only once a generation….
Cedars sorry mate just seems the logical outcome probably been tapped up already hence the no ambition line.I always put no ambition and big wages as the same thing.If we believe reports Arse offered 130k per week RVP probably looking for Rooney type of money.Always thought him saying he’ll never go to another prem club was bollocks and by his actions clearly has no loyalty whatsoever to the Arse
Do we NEED RvP? Is that even a question for debate? Dear God almighty the world has gone bonkers
Jeet
Barca had…Ronaldinho and later Messi..
Why not we cannot have….someone better than CR7
@Jeet
No, a striker is not a priority even if Berbatov leaves. There are 2 areas we are still weak at. Full back berths and central midfield. I was just making a point about RVP because it seems like some tabloids want to drag us into a tussle with City for his services. I don’t think we will even bother to be honest. It’s a losing battle.
Costas – I agree
wayne
Do not worry about it mate, just a piss take I enjoy on here
Cedars ok mate,think any team would be interested but not at what its going to cost,City are trying to dump Dezko and everyone knows they have no issues with doubling a players wages
A question for you – do you think that signing a strong DM would greatly boost Evra’s return to form?
Let me explain, Evra’s biggest folly has been that he is too narrow, or he isn’t tracking back. Now, an enregetic defensive midfielder knows that its his job to cover the bombing fullback should a counter happen. I’ve seen Evra time and again being sucked in to cover the vacant space between midfield and defence, leaving the winger free. Just wondering, is it a mere coincidence that Evra’s drop in form has synced with Fletch’s drop in form, and subsequent absence?
@Jeet
I kind of see your point. But Evra’s problems run deeper than those described. The last couple of seasons have also seen him get skinned countless times, even when in a perfectly good position, and also demonstrate poor defensive decision-making, againt even when in a good position.
For me Fletcher’s absence would be only a kind way of explaining half the problem.
Kanchelskis – and here I was trying to be charitable to our captain…
…you are probably right too, more’s the pity
Just have to say one thing and its not to piss Zibbie off but Utd gave Rooney extra holidays and he’s spending it partying every night,first it was the vodka party with the rappers,then getting drunk with Piers Morgan now last night partying at a nightclub with Chris Brown without his wife.So the first week of his holiday has been a drunk,just doesn’t show him or the club in a good light imo
The term ‘holding midfielder’ or ‘defensive midfielder’ is a myth
Cedars – you just arent technical enough
from the FT, though I’ve no doubt many on here will ignore it’s meaning and put a positive spin on it.
Manchester United: own goal
The Glazer family wants your cash, but the owners of Manchester United have a curious way of showing their gratitude. Investors in the latest iteration of the football club’s initial public offering will receive shares that have only a tenth of the voting power of family-held shares. The IPO is headed for the New York Stock Exchange, after the family spurned London and called off a listing in Singapore. A preliminary prospectus with a nominal $100m offer size has been filed.
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The family’s desperation to raise cash and keep control can be seen in the contortions imposed on Manchester United to get the IPO away. There is the ownership in the Cayman Islands (twinned with Salford, not). There is the rebranding as an “emerging growth company”, which will amuse fans of a club founded in 1878 (and allows for limited financial reporting for up to five years). And there is the voting structure. Still, none of that should deter what the prospectus calls the club’s “global community of 659m followers” (hello the Stretford End).
Operationally, Manchester United looks in reasonable shape: revenue in the nine months to the end of March was 6 per cent up on a year ago at £245m, and operating profit nearly trebled to £38m. But the finances of English Premier League clubs are precarious, including a wage-to-revenue ratio of 70 per cent against 53 per cent in the German Bundesliga, according to Deloitte. And it is as well to be sceptical about celebrity IPOs. Formula One and Graff Diamonds cancelled theirs in the last few weeks.
Even allowing for its £425m of net debt – 3.9 times 2011 earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation – there is value in Manchester United. It is one of the world’s most successful sports clubs. Its proposed listing conditions suggest, though, that the Glazers intend to keep it all for themselves.
Ancha says:
Jeet
Barca had…Ronaldinho and later Messi..
Why not we cannot have….someone better than CR7
Err cos we haven’t got a pot to piss in.
Last so called ‘holding midfielder’ I remember in the league was Mikooolelly at the renties, fucker hardly crossed the half way line, how fucking exciting is that?
Matt
Thought you were pissing off for six months pal? Just could not stay away eh?
Manchester United sign Central Midfielder Sean Goss for an initial fee of around £100,000.
Goss scored 13 times for the League Two side’s under-16s last season earning him a trial with United.
^The Messiah^
If Kagawa is the “One”….this boy is the savour !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18723109
Thats it folks, Like I said one more signing and SAF suggested one or rwo more.
Thats No.25 Powell, No.26 Kagawa, No, 42 Goss.
I wasn’t talking to you but hey don’t let facts get in the way of what you want to believe.
Jeet, I think you are definitely highlighting part of Evra’s problem as kanchelskis pointed out. I think one of my biggest complaints against him last season was that he was caught inside far too often which allowed the opposition wingers free rein on the flanks. This problem is definitely explained by the absence of a Fletch-type of player. If we had somebody doing all the dirty work inside, then Evra wouldn’t have to overcompensate by coming inside.
I think a bigger problem has been that he has certainly been overplayed in the past couple of seasons. Despite being a professional footballer, the fatigue must be wearing him thin physically. The biggest problem has been the mental one. First the France fiasco at the world cup. Then the loss of a family member. Then the whole issue with the fucking bucktoothed asshole racist (*placeholder for imaginative synonyms for the word cunt*). I mean, we can say all we want, but it must be wearing a player thin both physically and mentally.
That still doesn’t explain him going missing positionally as Kanchelskis pointed out, but we got to cut him some slack here. Life has certainly fucked him over in footballing terms in the past year. I think he’ll be back to the best he can be at this age next season.
Well for my take on Evra,I’ll say he suffers frm ‘overconfidence’ if there be such a term.Most times he just doesn’t demonstrate that ‘professional panic’ required of an astute defender that keeps him on his toes.A great defender has to be aware at the back of his mind that no matter how good he is,he can be ‘skinned’ by even the lowliest of opponents on occasion.Evra’s bragadaccio,tho one of his greatest strengths offensively,is his Achilles heel constituency-wise.I like my defenders putting on that ‘Oh my God I’m in deep shit with the mouth agape’ look so akin to Evans whenever they have attackers charging at them.Makes me feel so comfy as they show appreciation for the seriousness of the situation.If you can’t score then don’t give away is the rule in my book.
Hello RoM
@Perry thanks man. Before the banking melt down some 3 months. Lads on Fox Soccer spoke of the melt down. I pulled my stock’s out and bought gold. This is what has saved my ass during all this surgery’s and shit.
Couple of swashbuckling runs through the middle does not make jones a central midfielder. He did a job there last season because of the astronomical injuries united had, time he returns to the area he supposedly is equipped for.
One of Fergie’s challenges will be to find a definite position for jones. For phil’s sake, he needs to excel in one position and fight for that position. He was bought as a centre back and yet has only played a couple of games there, he’s still admittedly raw and needs to continuously improve. Jack of all trades may garner enough appearances (O’shea) but they’ll never be certain first team starters. I hope jones fulfills his potential, at centre back because you simply require a whole different skill to play in central midfield. charging around with no tactical awareness, no passing ability e.t.c will see a player exposed in that position. FERGIE should promote younger midfielders and buy, enough with sticking players in unnatural positions on the pitch.
Nice Sean Goss, SAF signs young one’s all the time.
1, 2 first team players still to be signed.
A friend for DDG and a star in the making.
See I want a defender or 2. imo
Was not talking to me? You think I give a flying fuck you negative piece of crap
Trouble is Fletcher went out in November.Evra has been lost for the whole season,but I am not yet totally giving up on him he was a top defender before last season and I hope he returns to that type of form this season.We’ll soon see if he has hit his wall or not.
CedarsDevil says:
Was not talking to me? You think I give a flying fuck you negative piece of crap
Deary me, is that the best you can do, tell you what instead of acting like a pre pubescent school boy, try being a realist and read what’s really going on the club.
Sammy a well articulated JOS syndrome concern to fear most share. That said he is a fucking swashbuckling dude! a sweeper in a 3-5-2? I have no clue just ideas running wild in my head.
Tree VS Matt
READY!!!! WRESTLE!!!!!!!!
Matt
Take that stick out of your arse mate and then start supporting your club instead of hanging with these daft facts if you catch my drift
Fantastic, brief and understandable summary of the IPO:
http://andersred.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/manchester-united-ipo-some-initial.html
Liverstool’s 3rd kit is PURPLE?!!? HA! the Queens of England, right and proper
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/d7VYK?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=world-football
Yes, finally the opinion I wanted to hear. Anders puts out a clear and concise blog post on the Glazer IPO and highlights a lot of important points. Must-read for people who aren’t really into the whole financial deal.
Net-Net: When looking at the debt we’ve been burdened with, this is definitely a positive move, but one where the Glazers retain complete control over the club and its finances.
@Balaji
Yeh. Sounds to me like it’s a very small step in the right direction.
Interesting hypothesis that it’s the first steps for preparing for life after Fergie. But frustrating implication that we have to wait for him to retire to get a war chest! If we could get the big transfer kitty while he was still here, we’d be in a position to hunt another treble, or at least a double.
If not the Glazzers then who? An oil pimp? Rich fans with no real leader? I get lost in this owner debate.
Offer solutions to the problems is harder the pointing them out.
100 mill record breaking rev.
New TV deal just the start of sick $
Have you tried the official hemeroid ass cream of the Americas. MUFC fire out is awesome.
Worth of team has doubled in this market not bad.
I just see American hate and some Jewish hate?
Who owned the team before?
4 of 6 PL titles
1 CL title 2 more simis
Tied for PL last year lost on goal dif!
I get lost in this owner debate.
I bet Jay stares at his Ronaldo poster for hours and hours just wishing the preening peacock would come back to United…..
Glass half full
Rooney, TV7, Young hitting their prime
Young guns one year older more experience.
SAF bags the last 2 best British talents and Smalling a close 2nd
RVP god 37 goals, Rooney with 6 games at MF 35 goals
Kagawa a link from MF to forward players.
Kids play on tour, some players rest.
Welbeck future Drogba type with Man Utd mentality.
Nani, TV7 and Young a positive not a problem.
@Zibbie
Half full? That glass is positively overflowing … with unrealistic expectations.
Why is competitions at all positions a problem?
with unrealistic expectations.????!!!!! Believe is more then a word
@Zibbie
1. RVP joining United? I’d give you shorter odds on me joining United.
2. Rooney to score 35 goals (a) at all, (b) with RVP apparently in the side… Can’t see it.
3. Welbeck ‘Drogba type’ … we’re talking about next season, right? He’s not gonna suddenly turn into Drogba. I love the kid, but he’s got a way to go.
Mattbw7
all those 3 players didn’t cost a pot!!
now answer that!
For those asking about Lucas Moura, he looked great in youtube, excellent ball control. Then again, the defence in that league has always been crap. The joke around is that Liverpool signed the wrong Lucas.
In 50+ years my High school has had 3 sophomore football players on the varsity team. I was one of them. We have a home game our first game of the year. After 4 weeks of practice you are ready for the game. On the bus ride over it was way to quit for me. I stared to get fired up. Hitting shit talking shit. The older guys were what I thought way to quit. I finally as we turned into the stadium I started yelling at them why so quit and mellow. My big buddie a fellow defensive tackle said I did not understand they were ranked 1st in the state we were 8th, and they were so good and blah blah I yelled fuck that they should worry about me and you Joe and Thunder and Lighting our great running backs, and Lash busting their heads open and in 2 mints on the ride to the field we levitated off the buss and beat them bad something like 35-14. Belief is earned through preparing ourselves to be successful. We that day understood we EARNED the right to succeed. Working out in the off season, playing the same system as freshmen to senior year. Film work, game plans, ect.. SAF and Man Unt expect success and have earned it through time.
way off I never said or ment RVP to Man Utd just made a comparison.
No next year Dan is 20, slow down
All Youngstown a year older and bolder.
@Zibbie
Sorry – my bad. Thought you were envisioning a situation in which RVP and Rooney were both playing for us.
@kanchelskis sometimes my glass is half filled of Gin… hehe
Understood, my typing/ English writing skills are way behind many here. I type in concepts and thought and ideas. Well the RVP to Man Utd talk, just that talk. SAF can pull a monkey out the ass though. Sounds like one close 2-3 in the mist. He always gets good kids imo. The young Spanish keeper duel purpose a friend for DDG and he is good. Sean Goss no clue, he will grow in the Academy if not into 1st team MUFC type as good as he can be and win a chance else where.
Why no mention of Becks wearing it as well Scott? You’ve always had a bit of resentment towards him I remember like some United fans do and personally I don’t understand it. No one can underestimate Beckham’s huge contribution to our success and sadly a lot of people seem to forget how good he was because of the media circus that surrounds him. I’m happy for Valencia, hopefully it will inspire him to contiue the great form he’s shown through out pretty much his whole United career.
@Costas
That daily mail article is an awful read. Even by their standards the journalism is awful. Most of the other media outlets are atleast trying to hide the fact they are being sensationalist but the Daily Mail actually quotes the document which actually says the debt ‘Could’ rather than ‘Does’ damage yet still write an article around it which isn’t far from painting a picture that the clubs about to go the way of way of Rangers
@Robbo
The 1bn was the amount they were looking for from the Asian float. It’s possible they may go nfor that amount but I wouldn’t be surprised if this is a smaller scale float to tide them over while they wait for the Asian markets to stabilise as that market is probably better for floating this kind of business. What they won’t want to be doing is what Hicks/Gillette at Liverpool where they left each ‘refinancing’ deal so late it left them with no options so even a partial reduction in the debt now will give them 5 years before the bonds mature for the Asian markets to rebound or if they don’t I will make refinancing the remaining debt easier and at much better terms.
@Ash
We will know when it formally launches which will be within 90 days.
@Marq
People always seem to hold Barca and Real up as examples of fan ownership but they actually highlight the problems of fan ownership. Everything becomes about winning over the fans and the easiest way to do this is spending silly money on players. Every presidential election at these clubs becomes about promising as many star names as they can to win and then financially they have to drive the club int he ground to fulfil the promises.
@Jeet
I will tell you what Juve are upto. They are trying to take the piss out of FFP regulations more that City are. None of the Italian clubs are anywhere near meeting the regulations and Juve are one of the worst offenders yet while they should be cutting back they are spending more and more
@lordrt
Lucas Moura is hardly an unknown Brazilian. He is one of the Brightest prospects in Brazilian football who has been being raved about for a couple of years now. He has already made his full international debut and if Brazil were playing more international games at the moment would no doubt have played more (as they don’t have to qualify for the next world cup they haven’t been playing many games, hence their slide down the FIFA rankings)
Admittedly it’s hard to judge Brazilians as they get hyped up while in Brazil but often the hype turns out to be unwarranted when they move to europe.
@wayne
So what if he is partying. It’s his time off and mental fatigue is as much a killer as physical fatigue so having some fun and enjoying himself is perfectly fine.
@mattbw7
Was that really from the FT and its not some piss take? Surprised the FT would publish such a sarcastic article or one that belittles a company based on the bad management of its ‘competitiveness’ (They use the 70% figure for wage/revenue ratio of the PL while using Germany’s figure to suggest United is badly run when infact United figure is not only below the German average but better than all the German clubs)
@Zibbie
I mentioned this earlier … the young Spanish keeper was an elaborate hoax. The guy doesn’t exist!
I see a real good team for Man Utd next season, I love Kagawa. Him TC23 with 12 Giggs games and Powell getting a look Rooney wont be depended on to be a mf link not a strength of his. Along with the other lads he can rotate back and link with his 40 cross field pass opening virgin defensive ass. Along with 1,2 touch fast break rippen dfence open!!!!!!!!!
Thanks I luv RoM.
I love the self imposed wage % of MUFC . As revs grow so do the players wages. Perfect.
Zibbie – the team is still missing that one piece in midfield to bring it all together. Powell cannot be rushed into the team. Carrick I still feel does suffer from wear and tear, and I do not want scholes and giggs playing 40 games this season. I do believe now the boss will invest in a midfielder, modric is out of united’s price range, a moutinho would be a smart bit of business. His experience, he is stronger, great at keeping the ball. Our current options are still not enough
Wakey Chris Brown is a x felon a woman beater and a trouble causer only a few weeks ago him and his crew got into bother with another Rap crew and trashed a night club
Not reading about any other Utd player on a weeks bender don’t agree with it,you think its ok fine didn’t I put IMO
Have over the years my disgust at Man Utd for not getting TOP TOP players when available, puzzeled, frustrated, freak me the fuck out, from Robben on, then education set in. A true look at SAF past 25 years in looking at the facts posted by people here. All good in the MUFC transfer hood. A big Star every 4 to 6 years and many made stars along the way. Academy or developed like CR7 and Rooney. Last year 50 million and could have been 70 million. He spends bigger every 3 to 5 years and maintains in the tween years. In 25 years is this his 5th team to compete with a family toy who have assets of almost ONE TRILLION DOLLARS!!! Great fun for me, and UUUUUUU 222222!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FITB I get that, Fletch was / is him. Hard to find guys like Fletch, SAF is looking, can’t always get what U want. SAF seems to get what he needs. 19!
19 be well man.
@matt7bw.No need to get uptight with Cedars.He was only pulling ur legs.Why is there so much abrasiveness on RoM nowadays.I know we ended the season potless still…Anyways,methinks that any second guessing of the clubs purposes in it’s dealings financial or otherwise is a DIRECT AFFRONT on SAF’s untouchableness and integrity.If there is any shady/conspiratorial goings on at the club,I’m of the firm belief that our knight would not keep us in the dark.Of course once its business as usual,he is not obliged to open up the innards of our club for public perusal.No big club does this.Unless,of course,SAF has ‘lost it’ as so many doomsday prophets on here claim.
@Balaji & kanchelskis
Personally I don’t see why people hold Andy Green in such high regard on these issues. Yes he knows his stuff but when it comes to United his judgement is skewed.
After all it was his data that formed the core of the BBC program on the Glazers, you all know the one I’m talking about. The one that had so little to sensationalise about the Glazers that they had to resort to childish segments involving gnomes and even then the facts they presented largely left out half the story to make things seem worse. It was a hack piece funded by MUST and the Red Knights as part of the propaganda at the times yet people seem to forget that.
Even in todays blog he rolls out the typical MUST propaganda line about Fan Ownership such as that in Spain when anyone who looks at Spain’s setup properly can see its a hindrance rather than a help and only ends up working because of help from the Spanish Royal Family, The National government, the local government and the Spanish Banks (who the other 3 parties pretty much force them to do)
Wayne is so spot on and is one of many MUFC sens i here. Sir Gile, KE ect.
A good teammate / pro modern player.
Obvious example TV7 vs Bollitelli
Humbled by poverty, thankful for Man Utd and SAF VS petulant child muti-millionaire panty waste. Cunt discharge.
Zibbie – and it cost united big time last year during the last month of the season, my worry is? like Costas said, if carrick gets injured I would be worried, on who will fill his role, because anderson fletcher and cleverly do not seem to be fully fit for the season ahead. And Kagwa I think is better suited playing off rooney
Does my but pucker at the fuckers at $hity, sure. In a way the last Lio team that raised the bar tuned into a team with 4 PL titles 1 CL title and 2 more simis. So his last team excite’s me to no end. And if he buys a big star every 4-6 years that means Berba was the last one…. WHO IS THE NEXT!!!!!!
The only reason RvP is linked to us is because we fit the bill of his excuse by being above Arsenal in the table, and by doing so, they can squeeze another £5-10m out of City
If I had $hity $ and a magic wound, the next Vida, The Next Robbo, The next Messi The next Schmikle and a cloned Maldini
A Hybreed Of Cafu and Carlos.
Kagawa imo will make half of a classic combo with Wazza. Wazza is the Bruce Lee of the PL. CR7 he played on the left in a 4-3-3 or 4-6 rotating with ease. Before that at 17-18 speed and fury running the left side.. Post CR& lone striker to last year floating. Now he is entering his prime a new adventure for SAF to find where Wazza fits the best to get the best from the rest. TC23 to play 30+ games add Kagawa and Giggs 12 – 15 games Young has now played not just a PL season with Welbeck and Rooney in a different set up with England. I get Carrick has been a stable factor, so Carrick, Scholes, Andy, TC23,Jones and Tunni for a good look. And Perucci, Cole, Powell and Lingard to get a good look as well. Window open till Sept 1st. a long long long time.
Wakey, In terms of financial issues and breaking out the IPO, I think Andy Green does a great job. But that doesn’t necessarily mean I agree with all of his points.
I definitely don’t think a fan-owned model is the way to go. In fact, I completely disagree with him on that. A fan-owned model is basically dooming yourself to disaster. People think fans can do a great job. But fans will always think as fans and not as businessmen. Believe it or not, football is a business and fans will completely fuck up United faster than the Glazers ever could.
I also am not completely anti-Glazer and pro-MUST like Andy. While I obviously don’t like the Glazers using United’s resources to clear their debt, I think they are the best people to be in-charge of a debt free United. I’d rather have us in the hands of those Yanks than a sugar-daddy Arab. I like their aggressive marketing style even though people say that they’ve had to do it because they need the cash. I like the fact that they haven’t interfered with football. Again, people say it is because we’ve been under Sir Alex, which is partly true. But I don’t think they’re really bothered about our on-field activities as long as we keep on winning. I think those are definite positives.
I think he can explains in clear and concise points all the financial jargon which some people find really difficult to comprehend. And I like his breakdown of the quarterly results as well. Basically, I read wherever I can and take my own call on what to make of the whole issue.
What I don’t want is that never ending fucking rotation it really gets on my tits.
Growing and growing here.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1122834/espn-confirms-premier-league-fixtures?campaign=rss&source=soccernet&cc=5901
For those that are bored of reading about financial crap that is completely out the hands of the average fan, you can check out my latest Agent of Fergie episode:
http://www.agentoffergie.com/2012/07/playmates-part-two.html
Balaji, Man Utd’s growth in India is awesome and a big key with China and all of Asia. 200,000,000 million more middle class consumers filling Idle time and rooting for Man Utd. and all that comes with it. Man Utd will be the first or one of the first sporting clubs to call themselves a media company. Big Big Entertainment business. That clip of Wazza with his AON kit bike shin kick to beat $hity is worth $200 mill in advertising. NASCAR has broken it down to add time when seen on TV and see hot babe with Sprint car suits in background shots!
Man Utd has an awesome future as a company. More then doubling in worth in some 7 years. What is next the 1st 5 billion club, the 1st 10 billion club……….
Gylfi Sigurdsson rejected Liverpool….club with a huge history, a good manager that had managed him before and a club with has some of the best fans in the world
In favour of Spurs, a team with Ambition looking to break into the Top 4 again.
Oh Liverpool….how they dropped off since the “Facts” rant is astonishing. They wanted the man (Benitez) responsible for their demise back aswell in an official vote .
What Idiots !
Mr. makes a Sneer a Smile. You go man.
hahahaha poor pool fools..
Balaji, when I see your name I think of Baja Mexico in the 80′s now after Old Traford Ireland and Italy, India calls to me.
Zibbie – thanks very much
If Nascar is really abotu hot babes in Sprint suits I might have to start watching. All i know about it comes from Talladega Nights. If ya ain’t first, you’re last.
Read as soon as you posted in Cyril me old fella….huh …how comes you gets first look in a la Trolopova…..
there must be a part three……..
I grew up an open wheel fan, they fucked up Indy Car. NASCAR well promoted and well done. I guess here in the US racing is the largest attended sporting event. Every county has a race track 99 counties in Iowa. In the US the car Rules, In Europe Liverpool and Manchester 30 miles apart. Here Chicago hundred’s of miles to St. Louis. The a sexual revolution was kicked of by the Model T then Birth Control and Bikinis.
TonyBee – Thanks mate. I don’t get first look, there’s competition
I thought we agreed you get first chance with Cheryl (cuz yu’re werth it)? Definitely a part 3, probably part 4 and most likely a part 5…
Zibster, You’re always welcome in India mate.
And yeah, the Asian markets are ripe for United to tap into. We’ll see but they’ve already set up a lot of stores all over India in all major cities. It’s definitely a start and there’s surely more to come.
Zibbie – I support whatever team these are on:
http://chivethebrigade.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/nascar-girls-500-20.jpg
I see the gang here on RoM of true Reds
Anyone want to discuss Goal line technology GLT?
FIFA has just announced the approval of a chip and approved a system. THis is about time, I am sure. But it is amazing the number of lads who think it will destroy their beautiful game. B*lls says I. They also need video refs at all EPL and major competition matches in my view:
GLT will only help with Ball Over Goal decisions. And it might eliminate that pathetic figure of the goal line 5th official.
But GLT will not solve a host of common everyday ills that would benefit from a video ref system. These include well recognized issues with:
Diving, handball, penalties, offsides, GoalKicks, corners, last-man-rule, abusive language, the list is long.
I hope I live to see the day when we get something don’t in this area. For instance, each coach, could be allowed to question 1 calls per game, and the video ref could be allowed the same same power if he catches something that every TV viewer also sees. If they added that these reviews could only take place in deadball situations, then very little would arrise to unduly delay our “beautiful” game.
I take that imagery with me though this day, thanks.
Go GLT!
MC Hammer, can’t touch this………..What a fucking great song, gets my booty shaking every time
STOP! Hammer time!
Tree see you and all later.
COZ YOUR WERTH IT …HAHAHAHA …. YOU BASTARD….MADE ME CHOKE ME FUCKING BREW
Crazy hammer time
http://youtu.be/AwzN4633mpI
TonyBee – This month’s page on the Cheryl Cole calendar is pretty good too… Not that I have one… Erm… Yeah…
The Trafford Centre sucks huge fucking COCK!!!!!
Mike…. got her number …. this Miss Trafford Centre….might have a job for her….
FletchTheMan, I completely agree mate. This game has been living in the dark ages for far too long and a change is needed. It is clear that with dunces like Blatter and Platini at the head, two people who couldn’t be more out-of-touch with technology and advancements in the world, we’re going to head nowhere.
This is definitely a start. I think the NHL has an amazing system where a buzzer automatically buzzes when the puck crosses the line for the goal. Football requires something like that. I read up on the two technologies and GoalRef is similar to the NHL system whereas Hawk-Eye is something like what’s used in Cricket and Tennis. Both are fine for the purpose. GLT is a must. Those kinds of decisions are going to happen once in a season or something like that but they’re going to be championship deciding like the Liverpool-Chelsea fiasco in 2005. It is not going to stop the match longer than a discussion with the fifth official would.
In fact, it was Annie Eaves who said a long time ago that the time it takes the on-field referee to walk over and discuss with the linesman about what happened and make a decision is much longer than what it would take the fourth official to arrive at a similar decision. And the technological decision is going to more precise than another human eye ever could be.
I also second Fletch’s suggestion of referrals. I’ve been discussing the same with my mates for a long time. Tennis has a referral system. Since you’re not guaranteed to use it, it is not going to stop play all the time. But in situations like the Drogba offside which decided the course of the title, we could’ve referred and that’s it, one more title for us and 4 on the trot. And it is not going to stop a lot of play as well.
And these stoppages aren’t going to stop the play any more than some dickhead rolling on the floor like he’s been shot through the heart. The latter event has become commonplace in football and every other match has multiple stoppages because of that. So, how’s stopping play for a game/title changing decision any different?
I believe the same problem is happening in Cricket right now with the Indian Board’s staunch refusal to approve the Referral system. These people are so used to living in the dark ages that they don’t want to open their eyes and see how useful technology can be in mitigating a lot of the common mistakes that occur in sport. Of course, referees/umpires are still going to have complete control over the technology but they’re too fucking backward minded to realize that and it is ruining the sports we love at the moment.
looking at theM pics Cyril…even our Cheryl is feeling the ravages of time….starting to look her REAL age……
Balaji Sivaraman ….. Perhaps it could be used to differentiate between a foul and a dive….. bringing more honesty back into the game….saw so much blatant diving in this years euro champs….. players were even going down feigning being hurt…..
fucking doubt it though
Platini sucks bigger cocks, just saying!
Seems someone is stuck in Manchester traffic! ha ha ha
Off Topic: From this day forward, I shalt never buy Coppertone again. Thank you Cyril, I’m now a Hawaiin Tropic man through and through…..and…..they’re RED!!!!!!!
ididnotzeeit – Just to clarify, in the Nascar girls picture, the first one (far left) is mine. Y’alls can argue over the rest.
TonyBee – You mean she’s not really 23?
And Usain Bolt has won it! Give him the ball, just give him the fucking ball
@ Cyril
That’s fine by me mate, I’ll take that odd duck with the short black hair that seems she was pulled from the crowd to fill numbers.
Lacking confidence, short on self esteem, she’d be up for just about anything….fish in a barrel
Run Usain Run!
‘Tactics? What tactics, the instructions are clear, just give the ball to George Best’
Sir Matt
ididnotzeeit – That is the funniest comment I have ever read on this blog. Brilliant!
Self-esteem issues….
And Cyril, you may have a battle on your hands with Cedars for pole position (pun fully intended) on Far Left as she’s the closest thing to Meg Ryan in the bunch.
Please notify me should said battle ensue
matt and lukes younger brother or jeremy’s son whos heard of the young lad we signed from exeter today
@Balaji Cheers son. Fully agree. I can understand the resistance as the cost is high and will instantaniously make lower leagues look “unprofessional” since they won’t have access. But that will add the ambiance of the lower league matches as well, with dads able to take their kids to both types of game.
There is just to much at stack in the higher levels of the game. Things like Henry’s hand ball v Ireland can’t stand, just as the decisions that ultimately send one team down to a lower league.
Cedars can have Beyonce-lite on the far right. She looks like she knows how to give orders…
Well this is sad
After helping launch the new kit, is Ji Sung park being shown the door?
The Transfer Lad just posted
Park Ji Sung maybe joining West Ham on a season long loan but Man Utd want a permanent deal
Say it ain’t so Ji!
Meg Ryan rapes shit, if you catch my drift……..Why are we bringing her into this discussion by the way??
Fletch – Well if “The Transfer Lad” says it, it must be true!
Qpr said today they are talking to park they have offered 2 million?
keano99 – are you calling The Transfer Lad a liar? I’m sorry, I won’t have that. That is out of order.
Ididnotzeeit
frankly, between your username and your comment @19:29, can’t tell which is more hilarious!! Absolutely top draw!!! Can’t stop laughing
Completely missed it, but Antonio changed his twitter page from AntoV25 to 7! Number is growing on me and Tony is definitely growing into the shirt.
Antonio Valencia @7AntoV Jul 3
No es solo un cambio de cuenta. Es el principio de un nuevo reto. Gracias a todos por la confianza. Desde ahora @7AntoV
Translation: It is not just a change of mind. It is the beginning of a new challenge. Thank you all for the trust. from now @7AntoV
Not saying anything about timing but check out my post to Tony earlier the same day:
FletchTHEMAN @FletchTMs_Gran
@AntoV25 Es hora de cambiar su dirección, hijo! Que te parece de 7AntoV o mejor aún TonyVII ? Llévalo con estilo! #MUFC
Made my day that….
Wow, way to go FletchTM!
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
https://twitter.com/samuelluckhurst/status/220808476597813248/photo/1/large
Fuck me sideways, a bat just flew straight into my living room……..Fucker really doing my head in
Fred. The dipper comedy show continues. LOL.
Two Red Legends to follow on Tweeter:
@vdsar1970
@CH14_
Cedars, beware of the bat…….Will a Robin fly in next……..I’ll get my coat…..
What a Joker!
Looks like Valencia is chuffed to bits about wearing the iconic #7 shirt. Hope the number gives him the confidence to use his left foot a bit more.
There is no way we are going to sell Parky. Who the hell is going to sell UTD shirts in South Korea if we sell him??
Did the bat look like this Cedars..??
http://media.onsugar.com/files/2010/12/49/2/667/6671522/d35955d2f6b90f16_30hsh6q.xxlarge.jpg
We could claim that AntoV has Korean ancestry…
Fred
Have the bin dipping rat munching fuckers signed him?
booandman
Ha ha ha, I can only wish mate!
She could seriously flap around me all night…;)
Cedars – no they have not, he fucked them off for Spurs instead, hence that Twitter dipper’s remarkable turnaround in his opinion of the player.
Twitter Dipper
Balaji @ 19:09: “And these stoppages aren’t going to stop the play any more than some dickhead rolling on the floor like he’s been shot through the heart. ”
Not to mention all the time-wasting for goal “celebrations”, pass-backs to the keeper, throw-ins, and TheRentBoyz’ special-trick of surrounding/nattering with the ref. I’d guess that there’s something on the order of fifteen minutes of game-time that are “wasted” because the ball is not in play.
Somehow, these “stoppages” are considered to be normal whereas checking a key referee’s decision is not. Amazing, eh ?
Back from the hell whole that is the Trafford Centre!! Tony Bee, I couldn’t find her but Mr Trafford Centre shafted me right up the ass!! Charged me for the pleasure too!!
Cedars – got my punt down me! A bat in your gaff?? Some strange shit happens to you pal…haha!
Alright, I’m not trying to start any shit here and lord knows it pains me to slag our own players off BUT someone needs to call them out when they do shit like this. So we know we have Cleverley and his ridiculous “brand” and then there’s Rooney out on the piss with his wanker friends in America – I can just about stomach that. It saddens me to report that another of our own seems to have acquired a taste for the showbiz life. That player is none other than Antonio Valencia. It seems that inheriting the famed #7 shirt has gone straight to Tony’s head, judging by this pic he just posted on his Twitter…
Humble? You decide: http://www.gamereactor.dk/media/forum/dk/993155_88.jpg
If blogs were around when Best played. GB had shagged 4 birds on acid why Ringo watched.
Fred
That’s Nani?!
Something up in SAF’s world. Pull a Rabbit out of the transfer hat.
@FletchTHEMAN
I’m not that in favour of Technology in sport tbh as it often destroys the flow. Even in Tennis with Hawk Eye it causes a disruption and changes the flow at times (especially if it’s a serve in question) and tennis is a sport that atleast has natural breaks where as Football often doesn’t. TBH with tennis many of the players seem to challenge not because they think the calls wrong but as a tactical thing to disrupt their opponents play. At the Aussie open this year the Men only got 29% of challenges right and the women 37% which are awful figures. In the men’s game Federer who hates Hawk eye had the best with 38% but many were in the low teens
GLT if the almost Instant notification silently to the ref is correct is perhaps acceptable but anything more would just be wrong. Sure at times some of these decisions do lead to a break in play but just as often they don’t. Also just look at how long pundits spend looking at a million replays of many incidents from man angles at many speeds and they still can’t decide between them.
As for the Officials behind the goals I do think at times they get a bad rep, the linesmen have viable flags which show them doing their job but the ones behind the goal don’t have that and many of their decisions go unnoticed. Mind you they do seem to bottle it on big decisions but I have read that apparently they often feel under pressure not to make the ref look bad and sometimes are even instructed by the ref on when they should get involved so perhaps it’s not all their fault. Perhaps we need match officials just to be less protected and willing to own up to mistakes (personally I think the ref should have to do an interview after every game to explain himself. If he has made a mistake then they should be allowed to hold their hands up and say so. Everyone would respect them more then) and also willing to work as a unit more rather than the linesmen and officials behind the goal being ‘yes men’ to the ref as often happens.
Fred at 21:58:
Damn! I thought u were being serious! LOL!
Nani is Mike after he got burned in the Pepsi add. HeHe
I can not tell you who, and you might think this is bullshit . But here it is I have heard from some one close to United we have got RVP.
Welcome to the fold, Robin.
Zibbie Bestie’s addiction was the tragic part of his life,god knows how good he’d have been without the partying
Cedars when he hears the news: http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/nanis-backflip.gif
What about Michel Bastos for left back fellas? Quite a decent shout to be fair. Top player imo.
If true Cedar should not be alone for 72 hours.
Wayne, like Micky Mantle in the 50′s and 60′s,
nap time
Fred – well that will turn on Disney land LOL
Yes mate drugs,booze and loose women really are the Dark Forces
Dazbomber
Would Sir Alex really spend over £20m on a player who will have no resale value, not the best injury record and will demand ridiculous wages? No chance.
Wakey, Cheers mate. But honestly, if you can’t spare time for at most 3 referrals/ match, and the resulting correction of handballs like Henry’s v Ireland or Drogba v us, then I give up.
My next bet, 200 quid that some daft ref error can be credited for incorrect postion of one of the EPL teams in final table. Whatcha bet I don’t get better than even odds.
Anyway, there must be some way to improve things.
Mikekelly12- its what I’ve heard , but he paid £30 mill for Berbatov and does not play him. it’s some one close to United and I heard that we got him 6 weeks ago
I am all for goal line technology. Imagine the title being decided on the final day of the season and one team being awarded a crucial goal when the ball never crossed the line. People talk about the human error element being taken out of the equation. Well referees will still be allowed to make mistake, but when you have a 5th official and a linesman turning a blind eye on a perfectly legal goal Ukraine scored against England, that’s not just a human error. That’s borderline conspiracy. We will see how long it will disrupt each game for. Hopefully the 4th official will be next to a monitor at all times.
Was Petrucci and Johnstone in training today? Heard that neither had signed their new contracts.
I was confused when Petruccis name was not mentioned among those 4 who will probably travel to SA of the 2nd strings.
Maby he’s a whore just like Pogba?
I was confused when Petruccis name was not mentioned among those 4 who will probably travel to SA of the 2nd strings.
Maby he’s a whore just like Pogba?
No problem with players having a social life as long as their performance isn’t effected. Its not like Wazza’s out drinking Old English in Yonkers with the Ruff Ryders, he’s with his wife and those R&B artists are all sweet hearts anyway. As long as he’s not wearing pink hot pants like Andy Carroll he’s all right in my book haha. For what its worth at least Rooney ain’t hanging around anyone called Aubrey as that would be worrying.
RVP has a cheek talking about ambition when his greatest ambition at Arsenal has been getting off the op table. Wenger 100% made him who he is so by rights he should be ensuring Wenger gets a decent price. Guess thats too much to ask for a lot of players these days.
Valencia sounds like he means business this season. He’s hard as nails on the pitch but you can’t put a price on his humble attitude. All the talent in the world really doesn’t matter if your a self centred twat.
I’m a bit scared SAF will get RVP just to piss off Juventus (Pogba) and City (no explanation needed).
IMHO he’s not that good and will proably never have a season like that again. I think Berba, if played would be as good and score 20 + every season.
His statement was arrogant to say the least. We’ve had too much glass and porcelain in the team. Maybe it’s a smoke screen while we complete the deal of a proper midfielder? TC23 or not. We need that now that Fletch is not back for the start of the season.
I’m a bit scared SAF will get RVP just to piss off Juventus (Pogba) and City (no explanation needed).
IMHO he’s not that good and will proably never have a season like that again. I think Berba, if played would be as good and score 20 + every season.
His statement was arrogant to say the least. We’ve had too much glass and porcelain in the team. Maybe it’s a smoke screen while we complete the deal of a proper midfielder? TC23 or not. We need that now that Fletch is not back for the start of the season.
Zeki Fryers is leaving manchester united…he is reportedly signing a new contract with Spurs worth 20k per week..
Fabio loan was a bad move
Don’t know why my posts are posted twice everfy time. Sorry.
Cedars must be asleep or with the Irish lass and he is under the table.
Players who for some not valid reason (meaning any reason) won’t play for United should leave. Pogba and Fryers played a few Mickey Mouse cup games at the same level as the championship at the most. And then they think they are big names?
We’ve all seen what AVB can do (sigh). The comedy will continue at Spurs.
Rafael is included in Brazil’s squad for the Olympics. Perfect…
It will forever be just a myth that technology stops the flow of the game, until the day it is tested out! So bloody hell just try it, how hard is it to just have a try? If they can alter game finishing methods such as golden goals, where is the harm in trying out something that in its worst case scenario cause a 10 second break in play?
Better still, imagine Busquets starts rolling on the floor again during the El Classico, only to get hauled up by the ref of all people and booked! That would be a funny sight, and dare anyone go down like a worm after that!
RVP going back 2 seasons as good as a striker gets. Now who ever Man Utd gets is great by me. RVP?? The 5 seasons before that 60% games played. 30 games a year for 4-5 years from RVP wow we. I am a big Welbeck Fan. Not to be a twat. What ever SAF starts the season with is fine by me, with the 2 he has bagged. Sure the next Robbo or Keano would be great, and Messi as well.
Kebab, I know. I saw his game VS Argentina. A great signing for 4 more years. Thicker, smarter. Him, TV7 and Nani on the right side!!! Cuting in playin with Kagawa. RafaWaga !!! GOAL!!!!
The Team that wouldn’t die hi mate Chris Browns no sweetheart mate he’s the dude who beat the shit out of Rihanna,Rooney would be better off avoiding the likes of him,he’s trouble
3-5-2
the 3 picked from Vida, Rio, Evans, Smalling, Jones.
The 5 made of LW Evra, Young,Webeck mf3 Carrick, Scholes, TV7, TC23, Kagwa, Giggs RW Rafa, TV7. Welbeck. Strikers Rooney, RVP, Lil Pea, Welbeck. Rooney out left in the middle. All rotating making people shit. Or a 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, 4-3-2-1, 4-4-1-1 how fun. Jones in front of Rio, Vida, Evans. 3-1-4-1 good weed.
3-1-5-1
Zibbie what about Berba mate? Lol
3-1-3-2-1
Heard Fryers off to Spurs on goal.com… anyone heard any news on this??
Fine by me Wayne, think of this angle. Would not he be the best 4th striker in the world. All good. When the time comes and Wazza moves on so let it be. For real no slag from me. If I was Berba I would want the 90k per week not the 40k being offered by others. He is a fine pro and as SAF said no disrespect just 4th choice.
CR9imean7 Been going around for about a week. Actually rumored that Zeke wouldn’t sign for some time now. Best of luck I guess, but leaves a sour taste.
Just read what you did mate apparently Utd are pissed and its going to a tribunal just have to wait and see if its true
Wayne hehe, I would just pass over any posts for the most part with his name any way for a year now. Or I play Charlie Brown Adults in my mind.
See you all chuckle when I say Wazza as LB
Now 40 yard pass people, Rio, Scholes, Carrick, Rooney, Kagawa, Giggs, Nani, TV7, TC23 and Young.
Come on Tunni step up and earn more minutes.
Watching Dr. No in HD looks good.
I’m watching storage wars can’t fucking believe it I hate reality TV except UFC and Mantracker,this program taps into the gambler in me figure it’d be a pretty fun job
501 and counting
Ravel, Pogba, Fryers – our youth teams stars walking away, something is not right. Glazers are not tying these guys to proper contracts early enough as they dont want to spend the dough till these guys are stars and so they walk. Foolish. How did it come to this.
Also dont assume the others are that different.
Re Van Persie, what a dick, dont want him at United, he belongs to City. Disloyal bastard.
Morning reds around the world,
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NBI red onion,
Nope i dont think its time to yell at Glazers again..
Paul fucking pogba is demanding a salary of established youth players such as welbeck and tom c..
do u think he deserves it? not in my book, not any young player who hasnt played enough, thats why they are called as academy players, right from school days we take care of them and if they are willing to join other clubs irrespective of Sir Alex asking them to stay, tells me a different story..
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a player who has played less than 5 PL games demands 25 to 30 k a week? not possible in our pay structure..
and regarding Fryers, i dont know why we let him run the transfer…may be we thinking he aint good enough? i doubt that as well coz 6 months ago he was in first team..
so i m confused about Zeki..
cheers
@Sandeep, NBI
Pogba’s deal at Juventus pays him 20k a week. The source is goal.com, so there is every possibility some bored guy just made that figure up, but even so, if it is true and we aren’t willing to pay a player who oozes potential even 20k, there is something seriously wrong withthe club.
That said, I still think Pogba is a mercenary twunt.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jul/six-young-players-sign-pro-forms-with-manchester-united.aspx
6 new players in the squad.. like Blackett as a player from what i saw in a handful of reserve games last season.
Sandy – morning buddy. How was the marriage?
Dela,
yeah pal cheers..
been a long time, how are you friend..
Atin,
it was good buddy, how are you? beating the heat eh?
Working hard dammit – want a long break. Project almost over!
And as a matter of fact, it finally rained here – bloody awesome weather for the 90 minute drive to work..
@NBI & Dela
It is not about not giving them the money, it is about them earning it. I don’t think the club has an issue giving them that amount, what it shows is that they want the money before proving it, that is the kind of mentality that we don’t want. Like Sir Alex said before, the money will come once you prove yourself. Just ask Hernandez. I don’t remember Ronaldo asking for more too.
Morning you dip shitting RED loving beauties……..
So it seems the RvP to United rumours are hotting up? While it would be a footballing orgasm of the highest proportions for me, I honestly cannot see it happening……….We have enough quality strikers
Che cedara
let the RVP to UTD wankfest begin eh
and like you, even i dont think it will ever happen pal..
morning my friend..
In case anyone gives a flying fuck I eventually got the bat to fly out the window again, was desperate to kill the fucker though, drove me mad it did!
Sandy Baby
Morning my love, err I mean my friend!! ha ha Seriously though, I cannot see Sir Alex going for another striker,…..In fact I cannot see us making any more signings
To dela’s point, I remember reading that Fryers will also get around 20k per week at Tottenham. That sounds like a lot of money. If we were still in 1992. But a club with United’s financial means shouldn’t be losing talented youngsters because we can’t pay them that much. If that’s the reason of course. Another explanation could be that these 2 players wanted to play more football. In the last couple of years, CM and LB are the 2 positions in our team where youth has very rarely gotten a chance…
@Zibbie
Regarding Rafael, I just hope he makes it back in one piece. I don’t like how he, Tom and DDG are starting off their season so early.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/07/05/3223054/tottenham-agree-to-sign-manchester-united-youngster-zeki?
Another youth player leaving. Not at all a good sign. I don’t know what are they thinking by leaving united and joining Spurs and west ham(No direspect to both club but they are no match to manchester united)
RVP to Utd?? It ain’t gonna happen and I don’t want it to happen because we are well covered in the striker department. We would have been better off if Will Keane had not been injured. On the other hand, it would have been a different story if the Gaffer was on the verge of buying another midfielder.
People make too much of an issue about young players leaving………..It happens all the time, we are a frigging production line for fucks sake……..Only the elite get to make it at senior level, just like getting your wife pregnant, only the top sperm hits the spot
Cedars,
yeah buddy i think we wont go for a striker, but i believe there will be one more signing..esp if Fletch is returning late..
Costas,
Morning buddy,
yup hope the lads will not suffer any injury..
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Harish,
i think many of us fans are going over the board in losing the youth players..
kind of,
Pogba was and is a twat,
Morisson – rebel, Sir Alex even went to release him from Jail, if he had even one bit of respect he would have been a different lad after that, but that is not the story..
Zeki – yup kinda surprised if he left us because he along with 3 or 4 players are with us from schoold days..
2 out of 3 youth who left are not our mistake, one was wanted more money in the name of fake playing time and the other had behaviour problems..
so i m not going to lose any sleep on this..
good day mate..
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Cedars,
you cant stay away from linking everything back to sex, can you?
Sandy Baby
Not really, just puzzles me how some fans get all anxious when we lose or sell a young player……Fryers?? How many times have we seen him in a senior shirt, once against leeds in the Carling cup? Any more?? If he wants to piss off than good luck to the lad I could not give a flying fuck
Morning Reds,
So Zeki Fryers is most likely leaving then? Which now surely means we’ll sign Baines ? I can understand the Ravel and Pogba departures but can’t really make anythig of this, unless the club think he’s not good enough.. Spurs ready to pay him 20k a week so the 1.5k a week offer that we supposedly made surely can’t be true ?
Fryers has done nothing to suggest he should be demanding such ridiculous wages. 20,000?, who on earth does he think he is? roberto carlos?. He’s no where near starting for the first team, couple of sporadic appearances don’t suddenly shoot him towards stardom. He’s clearly believed his own hype even though i’m baffled as to where it came from as he has only looked alright in the few appearances, not prepared to prove he’s capable of producing at a club like united. If he joins spurs then it would be for stupid money to jeopardise his career.
On another note, goal.com is about as reliable as a cow’s dung being used as a form of petrol in a car, the daily-fail editors eyes must be lit as they have the opportunity print negativity. The usual “Fryers leaving, major blow to united’s aspirations” will be rolled out.
Cedars and Panderi,
right pals,
if he wants a move on, let him..
fact that we have made him run his contract means we dont think he is gonna make it big with us..
If it was up to me, i would pay the younger players far lesser wages. 20,000? what’s he going to do with that? buy some bling ching a ling? squander it on ‘partays’?. Players not prepared to knuckle down anymore, badly advised by their agents that they’re diamonds when in reality hey’re no where near. Morrison, pogba.. Who’d have thought united harbored some true cunts in the youth system. future was supposedly bright, they apparently were gonna take over but it shows that mentality is a huge part of football and without a good one, potential will probably fail to materialise. A lot of players lack a good mentality. Irrelevant nonsense is the forefront of football these days.
@Sandeep
Hi mate. There’s always going to be an excuse why a youngster left. Morrison was a troublemaker but we only figured that one out in the last year of his contract. Pogba had no respect for us but we only figured that out in the last year of his contract. Norwood and Fryers? They didn’t want to stay at the club and wait until Scholes and Evra turned 50 and retired. Fuck them.
Sorry but I can’t buy the logic that young players started thinking with their pockets in 2012. The last class of youngsters that probably put the privilege of playing for United first and foremost graduated 20 years ago. Ever since, in order for a young player to commit long term to United, wages as well as opportunity play a role. And that’s how we got Pogba from Le Havre. But when the shoe is on the other foot, it’s somehow the player’s fault…
Regarding this so called 20 000 pounds wages,is that Annually ? If its weekly crikey talk about active imaginations.for an apprentice and his time isn’t even out.
Parry
Piss take no?
By Friers yes,fucks sake he’s no more than average at best.
Parry
Could not agree more mate
20k a week is a lot of money for an unproven player but what they are afraid of is
breaking into the first team and playing alongside the best played players and only
earning a fraction of their wages. They should be happy with 5k-10k a week but
have an annual review to bring their wages inline with their role in the team.
July 6, 2012 at 07:41
CedarsDevil says:
People make too much of an issue about young sheeps leaving………..It happens all the time, Mine is a frigging production line for fucks sake……..Only the elite get to make it at Cedars level, just like getting your sheep pregnant, only the top sperm hits the spot and comes out with Baaaa or Maaaa!
Wages for what?. What have pogba, fryers, morrison proven to even demand such salaries?. They’re potential and with potential, it harbors between fulfilling it and abject failure due to poor mentalit, these players willing to throw all the efforts put into them in order to be gradually eased into the team.
Norwood went to coventry and looked decent, nothing more. I’d have ate a house if he would ever had made it here. The club offered him a year deal, willing to take that little gamble but he lacked the belief in his ability and had no patience like many.
We snatched pogba from Le havre. Maybe united are tasting their very own medicine regarding that one but you’d think he valued his career. Moving to juventus with perhaps a higher wages but with no chance for a first team place (pirlo, marchisio, mauricio isla, kwadwo asamoah e.t.c). Badly advised by an agent.
Morrison was always a thug, never truly blessed with the intelligence that his talent needed.
If players are willing to leave for the quick bucks then there’s nothing FERGIE or the club can do. They shall not be held to ransom by unproven fuckers.
Yes younger players should be given opportunities and FERGIE does give it. A younger player simply has to bide time and wait to grasp it and then prove to have the hunger to play. If FERGIE doesn’t see anything in you to show you’d offer more than a veteran scholes then get your fucking ass to training and show it, nothing comes easy. Primadonnas, pathetic!
First it was twattisson, then was a Cockba,
Now it’s Pan Fryers, going to London for a ‘Boa’,
Hell we have the better wards,
And, they are our trump cards,
The loyal stay on our books,
While the rest, dispatched to the cooks,
They can’t see the glory, see only the moolah,
One would get “fried”, the other would sit watching AsaMoah.
Morning ball scratchers…now back to work!
Morning cunt snappers
Fuck Pigba, Fry up and Moronisson!!! Yesterdays news, had an opportunity at the greatest club on earth and blew it!! Let’s focus on the 6 lads who are buzzing their tits off to have signed pro forms at United! Lets focus on the truly classy lads like Tunni, Thorpe, the Keane brothers etc etc who would walk over broken glass to represent our club. Let’s talk about them, not the shit we’ve just scraped off our clubs shoe!!
i dont understand why we dont buy Kaka or Diarra…RM want to sell them because they want Modric…he wants to go to RM more than United…so Diarra is not bad solution…
Times’ Rory Smith reporting that we have tabled a 20 mil pounds bit for Moutinho. Apparently, Porto want 26 mil for him. Let’s watch this space for more. This could turn into the Wesley Saga for this summer.
As for youngsters leaving, I am not going to break up my head over it. There’s a structure at the club that I believe in. For whatever reason, these guys are leaving, more money, more playing time or whatever they choose to spin on it. Now if somebody like Tunnicliffe leaves, then I might start to look up and see that there’s a real problem. But I know I won’t have to worry about that stuff for now.
BREAKING NEWS:
It is being reported from various daily fails that Cedars United are planning to launch their
VPO (Van Persie offspring) project in Shaveman islands situated near leeds. They plan to raise about 500 mn sheeps through the VPO with all proceeds going to enhance their scumness and increase their ability to gazump their rivals in the sheep market.
It is said to be a very shrewd move by the Lebanese businessmen as they have registered the “holding” company by the name of SBU (Shag beneath or under) leeds Lily division.
For those that want to leave, united also burgeoning talent in the youth willing to do anything to play for united (Larnell cole, tunnicliffe, lingard, will and michael keane and many more) also add davide petrucci whom i feel has the talent to step up this season, i hope he’ll amongst the pre-season squad in order to showcase his capabilities. United can’t keep them all, well.. can’t keep the morons that can’t visualise what’s in front of them anyway. The club has a policy of not laying down for unproven players demanding ridiculous wages per week and rightly so. It’s a different ball game when it comes to a proven top players asking for salaries to match their contributions.
A similar developing situation will be Welbeck’s contract extension. He’s into the last 12 months of his current contract now and I have a feeling it will be another rollercoaster until he puts pen to paper. I still don’t understand why we don’t tie down these players sooner. As time will go on, Welbeck will have more bargaining power in his hands. But hey, if he doesn’t appreciate playing for United, fuck him too.
As for the topic, absolutely love our Tony V or AV7, so to put it. Perfect for the no. 7 shirt and lets hope this season he up’s his game even more and gives his best season till date in a United shirt. Apart from his footballing ability, love the way he has responded. His humble and no nonsense approach adds another reason for him to be adored by the United faithful. All the best Antonio!
Lol at Prasan,
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Costas,
you make point mate, but what i mean if they say they want playing time so want a move, then even if we offered high wages, they will still turn us down..
that’s how i take it..
as for Zeki, as i told, i dont know why we let him run the contract..i cant comment whethere he is good enough or bad, but Carrigton thinks we are ready to let him off the hooks..
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and yeah as for your comment last geneartion of youth to PLAY FOR THE CLUB was 20 years back..
we have the likes of danny, Tom C, Tunni and Petrucci staying put and i m sure they are the next..
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how many youth players have moved on because of lower wages? just one – POGBA..
that means others left for more game time, so the point of high wages is not a question there apart from Pogba case..
@Sandeep
Yeah, but for all we know, the Fryers situation might also be about money. It’s not that Fergie didn’t think he was good enough. That’s why he made an offer to him and his agent as he admitted this week. And since Fryers never got back to him, one can only assume that he’s leaving because he found a better one elsewhere. Imo a young player might turn down an offer due to financial reasons as well as the amount of opportunities he might get in the immediate future. But out of the two, money comes first I feel.
Anyway, speaking of those staying, not sure if it’s accurate but I read somewhere that Tunnicliffe’s deal expires next summer. So watch this space as they say…
Costas,
I got your point pal,
lets hope we keep them lads at home..
@Sandeep
Maybe a change of philosophy is on the way:
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7872496/United-to-reward-Cole
About time too.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7872496/United-to-reward-Cole
So, it looks like not all the youngsters are leaving.
There’s also a rumor floating about in the Twitterverse that Sir Alex didn’t know what was happening with the Fryers situation and is mightily pissed that he’s about to leave.
Costas,
Just posting that on FB,
thanks pal and its a good change
Ancha says:
Mattbw7
all those 3 players didn’t cost a pot!!
now answer that!
One word amortisation, try it and apply it.
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This has been posted before but it is worth watching again. If even half of those players make it, we’re guaranteed a lot of goodness in the years to come.
@Balaji: “Now if somebody like Tunnicliffe leaves, then I might start to look up and see that there’s a real problem. ”
Are you sure? You know me – I don’t intend to cause offense, but many might just turn around and say “He doesn’t want to play for United, well fuck him too!”
“Revsionism” as Denton would say.
I’m not losing sleep over some unproven youngsters leaving the club, but I do think it can be prevented – I’m a wee bit on Costas’ side of the debate on this one!
July 6, 2012 at 10:38
Jeet says:
@Balaji: “Now if somebody like Nigella leans, then I might start to look up and see that there’s a real heaven.”
Are you sure? You know me – I don’t intend to cause offense, but many might just turn around and say “She doesn’t want to play with Balaji but only with Jeet, well okay, fuck them both!”
“Revsionism” as Denton would say.
I’m not losing sleep over some unproven brunettes leaving the pub, but I do think it can be prevented – I’m a wee bit on Casanova side of the debate on this one!
Prasan, what goes on in your head is anyone’s guess. How do you come up with these ‘pieces’ of yours???!!!! Brilliant!!
on this young players debate,
as i recall, we have signed 3 to 4 under 19 players since Jan this year..
Its not that we are not bothered about the young players, but agree that we should try to keep them..
but there is a real intent with signings of Andreas, Nick, Sean etc..
The reasons for Pogba and Ravel leaving are non football IMO..
and it looks like we have given up on Zeki,
that’s what i feel..
nothing to worry, we are bringing in young players just like i mentioned above..
Manchester United moves on and always!!
Money, Agents, impatience, lack of playing time- any or all of these factors may be responsible for causing Pogba and Fryers to leave us. It is unfortunate and sad that some of our brightest prospects are leaving the club but there are youngsters who will step up and occupy their places so I am not that worried.
However, the club should finalize a player’s contract before he enters into his final year. The club should not be foolish and naive to think that every player will blindly sign a new contract just because he plays for SAF and the biggest club in the world. Not everyone is like Scholes, Giggs, Fletcher or Valencia. In a lot of ways, the club is misusing a player’s loyalty towards the club by assuming that a player will sign a new contract without blinking an eye and so they let it run till their final year. Some genuinely want to play for Utd while some don’t. It is high time the club reviews it’s contract policy.
Jeet, LOL! A lot of people might say that. But not me.There’s always going to be a difference between the Reds and the rest. I wouldn’t expect players like Cole, Tunnicliffe, Keane brothers etc. to create a huge fuss over their contracts. Now, if someone like Welbeck put up some demands, I’ve got no problem with that. He’s played and scored some nice goals for the first team and he can be aggressive with his contract negotiations, and he most probably deserves it as well. But a youngster has no right to think that he’s entitled to a certain figure from the club. It is the same in all walks of life. Once you’re a proven performer in your firm, then you say to your boss, “Look, this is what I’ve achieved this year and I deserve this figure.” But would you even think about asking that to your boss when you’re new at a firm and haven’t achieved anything. Therein lies the difference for me.
@ Zino
Thank you my friend. It’s not that difficult my friend. You only need to take inspiration from absolute top class posters we have on here. You are only as good as your company. Hope, everyone gets entertained, that’s the only motive mate!
Talking of my head, a ‘head’ from Nigella would be welcome I guess!
July 6, 2012 at 11:01
Balaji Sivaraman says:
Jeet, LOL! A lot of people might say that. But not me.There’s always going to be a difference between the Redheads and the rest. I wouldn’t expect chicks like Cheryl Cole, Meg Ryan, lezbo sisters etc. to create a huge fuss over their ‘contact regions’. Now, if someone like Sharapova put up some skirts, I’ve got no problem with that. She’s played and shown some nice holes on the tennis ground and she can be aggressive with her ‘contact’ positions, and she most probably deserves it as well. But a young chick has no right to think that she’s entitled to a certain ‘figure’ like the Kournikova club. It is the same in all walks of life. Once you’re a “proven performer” and have “firm” balls, then you say to your hot boss, “Look, this is what I’ve achieved this year and I deserve this ‘figure’.” But would you even think about asking that to your boss when you’re a new chick at a firm and haven’t achieved anything. Therein lies the difference for me.
Oh, I love the quotes and add-ons!
Prasan, You fucker! I am at a workplace and you’re making me all horny. Fuck you man! Stop doing this.
Balaji. Very well said mate. If someone like leaves (touchwood, I hope that never says) over contract issues then I wouldn’t be too angry because the lad has proven himself and deserves a nice, healthy contract. You can only demand something when you have achieved something. And if lads like Pogba, Morrison and Fryers feel that they have arrived by making a couple of appearances for the first team then they are mistaken. Anyways, like you said, lads like Cole, Lingard, Tunni, the Keane brothers should not cause the club any such problems. I am hoping they don’t.
*if someone like Welbeck leaves. Sheesh!!!
July 6, 2012 at 11:17
Balaji Sivaraman says:
Sharapova, you hot chick! I am at the workplace bathroom and you’re making me all horny. Fuck you chick! Stop hiding your ‘tits’.
Hahaha..even I am working mate but not feeling like working so just trying to “work” you folk up with my “work”! Hell, the weekend fever is upon me!
Prasan,
you fucking genius
Balaji,
you fucking horny nut
@ Sandeep
To quote the Lord, You freaking thumb sucka!
4 minute video of De Gea..
For his age, you cant expect more from this lad,
no question in my mind what so ever, simply world class and gonna be better and better..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euDlYDk2duQ&feature=related
This one is his top 30 saves collection..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW3X4JPm-yc&feature=related
The fruit loops back. Yes my friend. Of course my friend. Too nice!
@ Willie
Hahaha..I am really nice to people generally my friend. And, I don’t like messing about with someone else’s posts you see!
I personally rate Fryers as quite a bit better than ‘average’. Class both in the reserves and his limited first team experience last term. For me was MOM in the Leeds game, absolutely solid.
Think it would be a mistake for the lad to leave, and a mistake for us to lose him.