The news on Antonio Valencia has been fairly limitted since our £16 million bid last week, which is likely because nobody is really that arsed. We’re losing a special player to Real Madrid so many of us would like someone special to replace him. Whilst I don’t have anything against Valencia, there doesn’t seem much to him and for the price we’re offering, it feels like risky business.
Wigan’s chairman, Dave Whelan, has given an update on the situation today though, claiming that the final decision on where to play will be down to Valencia.
“United have got a meeting with us in the next three or four days, Real Madrid have got a meeting with us in the next three or four days, and the other team have asked for a meeting,” said Whelan. “We can’t tell anybody where they’re going to go and play. If Real offered £2m more than United, or vice-versa, it would depend on where the lad wants to go.”
It does make you wonder what would happen if an extra £5m was offered though…
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£20m for Valencia seems a stupid amount of money I simply do not get it with him. He is a decent posible squad player if Nani leaves, an £8m player surely we can spend the money better.
18 million and no more.The price is infloated as it is.
Off topic. I wonder who are we going first to get in the fixture program.I sure hope for a better one than last season’s. My guess: away at Wolves.
Bindippers Away
I think we can’t get them on the first say.I am deserate to find out when we play them at home.Can’t wait to give them a good spanking.
Costas, I will gaurentee that we will get one of the big four away after Champions league games!!
@ Stephen
I agree with what your saying on the price tag, but that’s why united always try to keep their dealings low key. Otherwise you get guys who become interested just because we are and offer more and so the bidding war starts. Another point is that in the price both parties might be considering the potential of the guy which i think is probably worth taking into consideration (he’s only 23). Playing with us and gaining big match experience will turn him into a machine and i don’t see him following ronaldo’s road to madrid when he’s at his peak. Apparently we’ve also got a new transfer policy where we don’t by players who don’t have a high potential resale value so there you have it.
Saying that i still have faith in nani to come good next season now that ron’s off. The guy needs time and can be brilliant (remember how he humiliated the arse), only problem is the decision making sometimes which will definately come.
And finally @ Scott I have not jumped on the Ribery bandwagon coz even though he is brilliant, the guy gets itchy feet and moves on after two years wherever he plays. Stand up DOUGLAS COSTA!!
ps: Evra for captain (or get him a song at least)
Oh yeah most definitely.Now that United are in a rebuilding process,they will be sure to hand us all of our tough away fixtures during the first half of the season.And as you said,all of them will be after Ch.League games.
I reckon Dave Whelan is trying to play a silly bidding war, and im sure there will be some agreement with Real and United, that once they got Ronaldo, they would not enter the bargaining for Valencia.
Dave Whelan is happy to say that United and Real have bid, but will not say who the other team is?? Surely this is just to try and get a couple of million extra, and I wouldnt be suprised if this transfer is dragged out to the last minute as United will not pay over the odds… guarenteed.
Birmingham at home.Good start
The big ones
Sat Aug 29 Arsenal H
Sat Sep 19 Manchester City H
Sat Oct 24 Liverpool A
Sat Nov 7 Chelsea A
Sat Jan 30 Arsenal A
Sat Mar 20 Liverpool H
Sat Apr 3 Chelsea H
Sat Apr 17 Manchester City A
If all the bids are similar in size then he will decide to go to Utd. This guy is not worth more than £12m cant believe the money being thrown round for him. If hes handed the number 7 shirt I for one wont be happy.
Dave Whelan must be rubbing his hands.
He’s a big fish at Wigan, but I can’t understand why some people think he can be a world class United regular.
I don’t wanna see Valencia at United, especially not as a £18m+ player in the no. 7 shirt.
I think Valencia is perfect for us next season, because he is so different from Ronnie. Anybody replacing Ronnie is going to have a HUGE burden and expectation, even more so if that somebody plays like Ronnie, the comparison will be much harsher. So, Valencia will be good for us because he will provide different style, and we will also play with a different style.
Where last season our style was made to support Ronaldo, a winger switching into striker position, next season i hope Rooney can get to play as striker. We will get back to the traditional play, wingers supporting strikers, not strikers suppporting a winger. And Valencia is good for that purpose.
infact Ronaldo was the most hardworking player after Rooney but the fact that he left doesn`t mean united will be weak because there`re players like Nani who are available although the manager has to bring some other players.the departuring of tevez must be stopped because its better to maintain players like him than looking after someone like ribbery so my request as a manchester united fan is tevez to remain.
Remember when we got Michael Carrick for a reported 18 million?? everybody was saying he was overpriced but I believe he has been brilliant for us and money well spent. So I ask why are passing judgement now? I am sure that he will do exceptionally well for us if we get him.
Im sorry Barre, i totally disagree with you as Ronaldo was not the second most hard working player on the team, not by a long stretch..
The only time Ronaldo was hard working was when he had the ball, and it was only the last 2 seasons that he was making the right decisions when he had the ball..
I dont know how you can put Ronaldo’s so called work ethic, above the back 4, Fletcherino, Park, and even though he is on his way out Tevez…
Ronaldo was one of the most bone idol players we have ever had… if i remember rightly from some stats from last season and i dont know if anyone can check this, but last season in the Premier League Ronaldo made 12 yes 12 tackles, compared to Valencia’s 100+ for Wigan…
One thing i do like about Valencia is that he will track back and support the full back…. sommat what Wazza has had to do coz lazy twats like Ronaldo wouldnt do it..
Valencia doesnt go to deck, he is a strong lad… and has a wicked shot..
What ya gotta remember is that Valencia aint the finished article, but he could be at OT…. but everyone is right, £18m is a lot of money, but hey we thought 12.27m was a lot at the time for Ronaldo and look at the profit we have made on him.
Spot on Failsworth. “Ronaldo the hardest working after Rooney” No chance. Valencia WILL be a good buy, he is strong, fast, direct, tricky and tracks back.
Failsworth, Valencia isn’t in the same league as Ronaldo he isn’t in the same sport, when Ronaldo came to us he was 17, Valencia will be 24 in August not exactly a spring chicken, and only 6 months younger than Ronaldo is, to me he simply isn’t United quailty but this could be me.
Stephen mate, i aint saying he is the same flare type player has ronaldo… but i think Valencia will bring sommat to us as a team, rather than a show pony as Ronaldo is.
I just think considering the prices being banded about at the moment £16m aint a bad price, yes its dear but in comparison..
Dont get me wrong as a united fan, i would love to see the likes of Ribery and Benzema at OT… who wouldnt… but at the same time, I wouldnt want us to pay stupid money for them, as Real as set the quota now for the summer…
Clubs know we will have £80m in the bank, hence the price goes up by 10 or 15%.
I personally think we will get 2 players in… Valencia and Douglas Costa..oh yeh and Dodo…
I cannot see SAF splashing it unless there is a good deal on the table for united…
I hope im wrong and we go stir crazy and buy the best out there, but cannot see it happening.
Personally i would go and do a deal with Real for Robben and Huntlaar for a combined fee of about £28m… that would give us 2 international players who can both score goals and still in there prime…
Would be a sound bit of business if you ask me.
Failsworth – Aside from being a cheating twat, Robben is very injury prone. Wouldn’t be worth the money.
I know Scott mate, but im just trying to look at possibilities, coz i know SAF aint gonna splash £45m on one player, well i doubt it…
The market seems over inflated at the moment, and can see it being a shrewd summer by SAF rather than splashing the cash…
I would live it though if we went a little silly in the transfer market… i dont know if you read whats out there with the apparent transfer policy of no major transfer targets over the age of 26, and you would at the players available which are up for sale for big dosh, then they are 26 and over.. so maybe im just making assumptions..
Would you have Huntlaar at OT though??… I aint followed his first season at Real, so dont know how he has done.
Failsworth – I’ve always been keen to get Huntelaar but I think the time has gone for that. If we were going to buy him, we needed to do it when he left Ajax. There must have been reasons for us not even trying so I guess we can put that rumour to bed.
He hasn’t really been given a chance at Real and with Ronaldo and Kaka joining, so far, you can’t imagine his career there will last much longer.
@ Scott, one of the obvious reasons as far as huntelaar is concerned would obviously have been the price. We had just won the CL + PL double, good settled side, so i can imagine SAF not wanting to unsettle his side.
But now, i wonder is RM are willing to do business at around the 10-15 mill pound mark. it would be a steal if you ask me, that kid can play.
Like i said if we are looking at talent under 26 years of age, then you gotta be looking at the likes of Huntlaar, or Benzema, David Silva, Valencia, Ashley Young (maybe), Aaron Lennon (maybe).
You never know he might have sommat up his sleeve from the Brazillian connections or Serbian connections..
It is too hard to predict at the moment as there are too many names being banded about, and until Ronaldo signs on the dotted line at Real, I dont think we are gonna get an indication of who SAF is really after.
Huntelaar as the new Ole
Huntelaar is IMHO a risk and always has been and it all comes down to is the price right for the risk.
I say he is a risk because
1) He stayed in Holland too long. A combination of being priced out of the market by Ajax and him wanting to stay at Ajax. He needed to leave sooner and develop his skills and talent in a tougher league
2) The Dutch league makes strikers look better than they are really. It used to be a strong league but its got weaker year after year over the last 15 years. Alfonso Alvez and Kezman have shown this
3) He is very like Ruud. Ruud was a great goalscorer for us but his style became surplus to requirements to us and you have to wonder is that style surplus to requirements in the EPL
If we can get him for between 10 and 18 mill and he would be happy rotating with Berbatov then he could be someone who Fergie might be able to take to the next level and worth the risk. More than that though and a more ‘dynamic’ forward may worth spending a bit more on
I would not like Robben at United for the reasons Scott stated. I would however take Sneijder or Van der Vaart.
Am I the only one who thinks a cheeky bid for David Beckham would be ideal?
I’d play him central or we could shift him out to the right and let him ping in crosses for Berbatov to head in not to mention the fact that Beckham can hit better set pieces then Ronaldo with his eyes closed
I don’t think SAF will sign anyone. We have enough youth in the squad.
What is the point of spending ridiculous amounts of money on players when we already have done that when we brought younger players in who haven’t even had a chance in the first team. We have a 42 man squad and we are still looking for more players. Something wrong there me thinks!
Five – you can’t be serious…?
And despite his age he’s always a willing runner and wouldnt mind tracking back letting the full back overlap hes done it all throughout his career with neville and for England with Micah Richards(tho Richards was briefly in the team).
I know its a LONG shot…its just the boy in me wanting to see Beckham in a red shirt once more I suppose
Beckham should stick to selling pants, greedy twat.
Beckham back? No chance pal. Agree with Alpha actually, other than possibly Valencia I don’t see him bringing anyone in.
Alpha you are right pal, we have a massive squad but the issue with it is that it is a little unbalanced, we have no ball winner in the centre of the park, bar Hargo and as a wise Portuguese man once said “God only knows” if he will be fit again.
I also would love a midfielder who could chip in with a few goals, and a striker who plays off the last defender.
Do we have that type, is Gibbo a ball winner of top premiership calibre or one that can score 15+ goals and can Macheda score 25+ goals next season in the league?
Anyone think or would like Ferguson may make a cheeky bid for Agüero if Tevez leaves?
Alpha, we will probably see alot of our young players leave this summer some sold, some on loan. Gibson (Wolves), Cambell (Hull), Martins (Ipswich), Simpson (Birmingham ), Heaton (Cardiff) and Gray will possibly be sold. While we will probably see loan spells for Drinkwater, James, de Laet, Chester and Cleverly ect..
For me, if we brought Silva and Valencia, we would be at a very good spot.Maybe we won’t even need a striker.I still don’t understand why we haven’t made a move for Silva.
Another thing guys. I hear that City are stepping up their chase to sign Lescott. Ho do you rate him? Personally, i wouldn’t mind seeing him at United.
Silva’s physique isn’t exactly convincing he’ll make it in EPL
as for Lescott, not a target due to the age policy.
£16m for a back up centre back or left back is too much.
The age policy is for ridiculous amount of money. I don’t think that 16 mil would fall into that category. Who’s to say what kind of season Rio at 31 is going to have? His injury problems are starting to get worrying.Of course there is Jonny Evans,but i always feel safe when the team has 4 recognised centre halves.Wes Brown will be busy with the right back position i think.
Silva’s physique could be a problem, but nothing unfixable.Fletch managed to get the weight he needed in a single summer.
We have the twins and O’Shea as well mate, I think he is a good player but at his age he wants to play week in week out and comming to us he simply won’t.
Yes these 3,along with Evra and Neville, are also potential candidates for the full back positions.It’s just that one too many times this season we found ourselves sweating over the fitness of Rio.Maybe the answer is play Vidic and Evans together more regulary.At the same time Wes is a defender that can get easily outmuscled by big centre forwards.Personally, i think that right back is his best position. It doesn’t have to be Lescott. You are right that he will require regular football at the age of 27.But a new experienced player in there would be a welcomed addition for me.
Carvalho is available and would be senisble as experienced in the premiership and would be relatively inexpensive, but his love for TNSO will win that battle.
Yeah i think he is Inter Milan bound. If Sir Alex has faith in James Chester,then perhaps he should play him in the League cup games.Jonny Evans is in the big leagues now.To be honest,i don’t think any first team member should play in the Carling Cup this year.Only if it is to build their fitness.
I agree, what is the point we have a big squad and we try and get a settled side for the league and Champions league and leave the League Cup and even the FA Cup for the fringe youth players.
Stephen – Yes Carvalho would be an excellent choice but like you say he is TNSSO bum boy. Regarding ball winners I would say Fletch is certainly one.
Costas – Silva would be a great option if he “bulked up” a bit a la Fletch. Do you think the fact we play Valencia in a friendly may help us sign him?
I don’t want to see as much rotation next season.
AlphaRS @ 13:06 – There’s a difference between prime-time players and warm bodies. SAF has just lost an outrageously talented goal scorer; maybe Ronaldo’s departure can be papered over with enhanced contributions from Rooney and Berbatov but, on the other hand, maybe not. The money is there – the key is finding the guy on whom to spend it so as to enhance the end-product from Rooney and Berbatov.
King Eric, he is mate no doubt and you could say the same for the under performing Anderson, with regards to Silva he is an excellent player who doesn’t seem to fancy the premiership, maybe we should give Tosic an opportunity to stake his claim along with Nani, neither really had much of a chance this season and spending £40m on Valencia and Silva may be pointless.
@King Eric:
It could happen,but that friendly is way too late to do that. I want us to conclude our signings as soon as possible.Besides,Silva is an established player and doesn’t have to play well against us to be recognised. His body shape is an issue without a doubt,but if we get him quick, he could start to bulk up in time for the start of the season. I don’t want to constantly pimp one player,but i feel that Valencia and Silva are 2 of the best cases out there. Silva can also play behind the striker and that could help with filling Tevez’s gap too.
Costas – Yeah August would be a BIT late to sign him! Have you heard the rumour that Valdez may join on a Bosman but I think next season.
What has happened to Joaquín and Ben Arfa these days, I have seen a bit on the Spainard but have lost track with the Frenchman?
I heard about Valdez and it could be the perfect timing.VDS’ career will be over and we will know whether Ben Foster should be considered our next regular goalie.
Stephen i heard that Ben Arfa went to Marseille last year. I don’t know how he did though.
Does Valencia play in the same spot as Nani and Tosic??? in that case, no way. Far too much money, and feel Nani might pull his finger out this year if given a good run out. Dont know much about Tosic, but heard he had a good game against Italy under 21.
Robben. Two words, fuck and the other is off. Fish faced, rent buy cunt. Had a chance but went for the money. Would make me sick seeing his ugly mug in a red shirt. No way, fuck off. Yuk.
Benzema, Ribbery et al. They have all said they dont wont to play in England, so I dont want to see them here.
Stick with what we have. Nani, Rooney up front will play at a different level, Berba has to get back to his 2 seasons with spurs, 20+ goals. macheda in the first squad.
Maybe would take a punt on Huntlear for £15M.
Dont know who else is around, but would not want money spent for the hell of it.
If Valencia is not that ‘good’ than dont you think that real madrid would not bother bidding for him, now that they got ronaldo and kaka?
cheeky bid for Giuseppe Rossi, and buy Silva and Valencia
“Robben. Two words, fuck and the other is off. Fish faced, rent buy cunt. Had a chance but went for the money. Would make me sick seeing his ugly mug in a red shirt. No way, fuck off. Yuk.”
emotional, but i am definitely with you on that
Sign Valencia. 16 is the right price, believe me.
I sais 2 million times. He is strong, pretty fast, uses brain on the field of play and he is accustomed to the Premiership.
Strikers. Keep Fraizer and we will be fine.
At the end of the day i wouldn’t feel embarrassed if we sacrificed the next season. Even if (oh no) scousers won it.
We have to put things to perspective. They win 19th we will win another 3 in a row after that ?
But i’m afraid Fergie wants everything now. I don’t know how he feels about the whole thing. I hope he will be able to be an altruist and think in advance. But anyway i think we are good enough even with the players we have to challenge for the title.
@corea
Robben also runs like a girl. He wouldn’t look right in our red shirt.
@rc7
Robben is Robben, Valencia is Valencia.
Don’t see a conection.
Robben is a twat.
Corea – Yes I keep saying to all the anti-Valencia people that the lad looks bloody good. He is fast, strong, direct, skillful has a rocket of a shot and tracks back.
Have just read on the Mail site that the Ronaldo deal has hit a snag over image rights. I thought this may cause some problems.
Mancstan – Tosic certainly showed glimspes last night. He can run with the ball, has a great shot but more than owt else he covered the most ground out of all 22 players!
Ps – I said myself yesterday that I would sacrifice not winning the league for a season if it meant our young lads had time to develop. But at the expense of the dippers? No fuckin chance!
@King Eric
“But at the expense of the dippers? No fuckin chance!”
hehe ) you are very selfish person, mate
So there is a possibility that we will have to wait 2 more weeks until the Ronaldo deal is settled before we move in the transfer market?Argh.
I’m surprised chelsea haven’t become involved in the Valencia deal or are they waiting until the last minute to hijack the deal.
Off Topic – Drogshite has been banned for 6 European games and Boswinga for 4. Surprise surprise that nowt happened to Ballack. RentBoy Cunts.
4 and 3 games rather ..
Thought it was 6 and 4 Corea? Are two for Drog and one for Boswinga like Suspended?
for me he just valued at 7 mill top..paying over 16 mill for him quite overpriced for me..is he better than nani? maybe in the same league probably. let spend on more younger player such as costa, marcus berg or edin dzeko.
pawaka21,
maybe just about stick with Nani, just feel he could come out of winkers shadow this year. give him a go and save £17m
People saying sacrifice a year and give the youth a chance. Hard call, cos diipers or rent boys will be champs, but that said, who is there to buy who wants to play in england????
mancstan..i agreed. just give a nani a year and lets take from there. if he still not buck up, up you go. with strings of youngsters still in our books such as ravel morisson, petrucci and others, we wont be short of talent. yes, valencia is a decent player, but paying over 17 mill for him is ridiculous in my books, considering he just cost a penny when he signed by wigan.