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dimitar looked disappointed with rooney for not passing the ball back- for ando’s goal
our midfield aint as crap as u lot sugst nd im nt basing my point on any of d preseason we playd..can b beta doe
welbeck looked at home playing centre mid for the last 20 minutes, another option for us maybe?!
Nice win. Love Jones the way he closes space, then he is duck footed and I think that helps him.
i mean we raped d rentboys nd schalke04 wit d almyty sneijder..i stil tnk if we dnt meet barcelona,we wil win d ucl in germany
What a team, what a club what a Gaffer.
man… that was fast.
Yanks… they need to get back to play baseball…
Loved the Berbagoal. He’s been due a proper bit of luck for ages.
Also loved how they made us look like Barca. Though it was kind of sad as that reminded me how we made Barca look like Barca.
Berbas goal is the fucking shit.
Goals by Anderson, Park, Berb, and Danny.
Je Sung Park MVP
First trophy of the year.
We owned the MLS this trip out. No doubt they are better than last year, but well done United.
Night U REDS!
on Park Ji Sung’s goal video, theres a liverpool fans watching. see it at the 0:29 second.
Welbeck should have a breakout year if he stays fit and gets chances. It would be a shame if Owen got games ahead of him. The order is Rooney , chicha berba and welbeck. Just don’t see macheda making it due to his lack of pace and quickness. Were still very light in the center though. We are 1 playmaker away from having a complete squad. Quality all over the pitch and good depth in coverage. Just the midfield. Get in modric or sneijder!
lmao doghouse, how depressing.
Ando look good in dat midfield,he could fill in dat space left by the legend ”Paul Scholes”…The goal from Welbeck reminds me of Rooney’s goal against Chelshit last season EPL first round…Welbeck the future of United forward.United 4eva
@jayunuted – English motherfucker. Stop typing and spelling like a retard
@Giggsy, yeah ‘dat’ shit irritates me worse than ‘d’ hiccups!
LOVE to see United in the USA…preseason usa tour 2012?
@Don
I believe this season Danny will get more time in a wing role than he will at forward. He did a lot of that at Sunderland last year. Fergie did say he would choose from 6 strikers, yet Rooney, Berba, Chico, Owen, Kiko, Danny, and Diouf adds up to 7. Diouf played a bit of left wing this preseason (quite poorly I must add), but I think if he isn’t sold/loaned before the season his natural position for the reserves will be forward. Something doesn’t add up mathematically, which makes me think Danny is being groomed for a LW role. Just my speculation, not necessarily my opinion on what is best. I’d rather see him playing as a striker after Owen retires.
Stupid John Harkesisms:
1. Outside backs. (Wingbacks you twunt)
2. High Forward. (que?)
3. Combination play (WTF?)
4. Vidic’s nickname apparently is The Gladiator.
5. Eric Lindegaard
6. Nahmoonjah vidic
7. Rooney is known as Warzar
8. United apparently have great FOOTSKILLS
Hamburger sucking mong.
Was at the game. Ando was solid in cm and can see welbeck playing that too
Lindegaard ☆☆☆☆☆
Park ☆☆☆☆☆
Lol…glad the gladiator plays for us.And even though he didn’t get on the score-sheet, Warzar had a good game.
4-1 score 4-0
nearly
City have signed Kun…Maybe this will set events into motion for a certian MF to come to United.Just food for thought.
Don’t know if this has been mentioned but Hernandez is out of hospital.Have a speedy recovery speedy Gonzalez.
http://www.footballfancast.com/2011/07/premiership/manchester-united-premiership/would-spanish-playmaker-be-the-ideal-last-signing-for-united-this-summer
Interesting read on Arteta.Incredible assists.
Beckham just said: “United have the best manager in world, are the biggest club in world, have the best players and fans in the world.”
Sir Alex Ferguson’s refusal to spend on a midfielder in a recent interviews has sent panic waves amongst United fans around the globe. THT explores all such combinations that the Scot could look to use in the upcoming season. All possible center midfield combos explained, what might work and might not
http://www.thehardtackle.com/2011/man-united%e2%80%99s-centre-midfield-a-million-dollar-question/
2-3 weeks out chicha
but he’s fine 
Are there any highlights of Becks Scholesy like passes?
Was almost as good as sex!
Ando scoring with his right.
Another classy Park finish.
Danny scoring again.
Berba’s goal.
Am I the only one who sees the beginning of a double chin onAndo? Christ, he does look fat…hope he does a David Boon/Ranatunga…
Park’s had a great pre-season, his goals have all been top class. Can’t help but feel this tour has been a bit too easy for us and may not help that much with our prep for the new season. Still got Barca to play which will be much tougher and we’ll get a better idea of where we are at. Can’t wait for the new season, I hope we have a decent performance at Wembley, is it me or has our record been crap at the new Wembley stadium, I know we’ve won the league cup twice there, but that’s about it. Oh, and good morning all!
Fuck me, I was so groggy and tired that I couldn’t wake up.
Anyways, good to hear that it was a nice performance from the lads.
@Jeet, Boon/Ranatunga
That kind of fitness in football???
Also, looks like Lindegaard is not going to make things easy for De Gea. That battle will be interesting to see in the coming season although I think De Gea is nailed on for the starting position.
Park is enjoying the responsibility of being a Senior player and has a very huge presence everytime he features in pre-season. Lindengaard is no pushover and is very motivated (coz of all the talk of De Gea being No 1) so De Gea has a contest in his hands. Macheda was trying too hard in this game and in the end looking selfish imo. Ando is stepping up and I wish Berba could take his artistry to big games.
We should sign Becks!!!
I noticed from the highlights that Jones played at right back. How did he do in that position?
@Balaji
It was a struggle for most (keeping awake) had to use a strong tonic. Hope Barca game is not another a.m
@Balaji: ohh, I meant to say that I hoped for great performances from Ando, despite him being fat! Ranatunga was a freakish type for me, the fat bastard took some bloody cheeky singles, as well as some very good catches, all the time with his belly spilling over to his swollen ankles…
@Jeet, Yeah, I guessed that you meant it that way, but still the thought of somebody like Boon or Ranatunga on a football field was enough to make me laugh even though that was not your intention.
If he can display the same level of skill those two exhibited on a cricket field despite their pot bellies, then we have one amazing footballer on our hands. I agree to that. Of course, this is THE SEASON for him – the one that makes or breaks his career. As always, we will have to be patient with him like we were with Nani.
Park is a class act I hope he signs a new deal but I dont think it is a done deal did anyone see his interview after the game? I think he wants more game time and with Tony V, Nani, Young, and Park surely they will play an equal amount between them over the course. Young and Park on the left, Nani and Tony V on the right?
Great to see Berba on the score sheet his goal was class great finish after the bar, Ropney looks class as well his vision is beocming as good as anyone in the world.
I think David Beckham should be MotM. There was a scene where the ball was rolling out of the field and Berba just gave up early (as expected) while Becks went chasing and saved the ball. I just wish Berba has that extra determination of Becks’
also if Ando could fulfil his potential we really do have a world class midfielder, last season he really come good in some huge games and his passing was briliant in splitting defences of which the Pea feeds off.
Also what is with Carricks new laps every game now giving the ball away in our own half (im a huge carrick fan btw), he just gifted Becks the ball.
@musvn
to be fair though mate thats how Becks has made his name, his game was built on fantastic determination plus his ability to put a ball anywhere he wants. Berba is a class act I dont want to see him chasing lost causes I used to depsise that with Tevez diving in with his head it was stupid.
Look at when we had Cantona, people forget how lazy he could be at times but boy what a player so got away with it.
Good result Champions.
Impressed with Parks finishing.
Berb was excellent.
Anderson adding another goal to his game, a starter for me.
Good performances and plenty of goals all round.
That injury will do Hernandez good with a rest.
@musvn, That is a really stupid comparison. So, Becks can run around chasing lost causes all day and Berbatov should also do that. What about the amount of little skills that Berbatov can pull off like the over-the-head kick against Liverpool or the flick of the ball against West Ham and the pass to Ronaldo. Can Beckham do those things? No, he can’t.
What people should understand is that everyone has their strengths and weaknesses – For Berbatov, it is using his minimal energy very efficiently and thoughtfully to increase his productivity for the team. If Berbatov were to run around all day like a headless chicken, there would be little point to his game. We have loads of other people to do that in the team anyway.
Also, to add, Berbatov’s stats show that he is one of the most effective players defensively. He has made scores of clearing headers from corners and free-kicks that go unnoticed and put his foot in whenever needed. The problem is that he does all of this in his same old languid style that 99% of the people don’t notice it.
Why is Berbatov vexed in the first video when Ando scores?…
Sir Alex alluding to the “good combination play”. Im certain he’s happier to see goals coming from this type of play than 40 yard screamers.
What say you?
do we really need a midfielder? what a laugh
Brilliant goals from the lads, particularly enjoyed Berbas. Can’t wait for the season to start!
Time for a rant however…
Fucking City. One again I’ve been perusing the comments of the Sky Sports site while bored as fuck at work. I took exception to one fan who said we are obsessed with them and that our success is the result of debt and money we didn’t earn and that they deserve to win things because they’re taking a shortcut. FOR FUCKS SAKE. When are City fans going to get it in they’re thick wee skulls that 4 years ago they were nothing. They actually had nothing. Their best player was Darius Vassell. And they used to harp on about how much money United had. Tables have turned haven’t they? They call us rags and poor and go on about the debt. How fucking small time can you get??? And did our trophies from the pre-Glazer era have any inkling of debt inspired success about them? Did they fuck, we won them with our talent, our team spirit, our passion and desire, and we funded it with the success we had. Unlike those bitter fucking cunts. 110% of turnover is spent JUST ON WAGES. And that was before they signed Silva, Balotelli, Yaya “£250,000 a week” Toure. So what on earth must their finances look like now? As much as I hate to say it, football does have a business side to it, especially if you’re at the top. You have to make money to continue success, City are making colossal losses each year, when Financial Fair play comes into the picture, what are they going to do? There is no way you can turn 110% of turnover spent just on wages into 60% of turnover on all expenses in 3 years. I’m sorry but it’s impossible. We are probably the only club who could do that, because let’s be honest, who the fuck is buying City merchandise who doesn’t live in Stockport? I’m glad of our global fanbase, yes they piss me off a lot sometimes through their ignorance, but frankly if they’re pumping money into the club through sales and we have that passion for the greatest football club in the world in common, why is that a bad thing? City will never have a global fanbase. They are such a laughing stock. Elite Developmental Squad? What the fuck kind of management speak is that???? THIS IS FOOTBALL!!!! It makes me sick. And they’re delusions of grandeur are short lived I reckon. They can’t afford to give new signings like Aguero £200k a week. They will be kicked out of European competition if they continue it. I’m reminded of that chant that did the rounds ages ago, “They’ve got 54 players and they’re no fucking good, oh City are a massive club!”, they’re getting back to that. City could enter a team of about mid table Premier League quality as a second team in the league and they would finish in the top ten with the rejects at the club. I hate them. Not just because they’re bitter bluenoses and the like anymore, but because they are everything I despise about modern day football. I fucking hate City. And the self righteous fans who bleat on about how “unfair” it is that we are the most successful team in England, but then procede to call us Munichs and lionise a man who is a mercenary and claim that he hates Munichs…words fail me yet again how utterly pathetic and scummy that is. There’s rivalry and then there’s hate. Yes I hate Liverpool, so fucking much it’s unbelievable. But they, however small, have a touch of class about their business. They are a football club at least. A scummy horrible shit football club, but a club nonetheless. City are a soulless business who are sucking the life out of football and have absolute scumbags for fans. Mocking the dead, changing your mind about how clubs should be run i.e. slating us for having money then rejoicing we suddenly don’t have money (how does that work? Despite the debt we are still the most profitable club in the world), and so so so so so many delusions that it’s a wonder they haven’t all been checked into a lunatic asylum. I can’t wait to be at Wembley for the shield, it amounts to not much more than a friendly, but I want us to get one over those fucking bitter bluenose clownish CUNTS so badly that I’ll be treating it as a crucial match. COME ON UNITED!!!!!!!!!!
I’m going to amend my comment, fuck the Liverpool praise, what on earth was I thinking, I think I was delirious from the rage. Just fuck those scouse bastards. Thinking about them makes my blood boil, fucking ratface Dogleash and Steven “thugging is my game” Me. What a bunch of wankers.
@BC1968
Mate i work with them all day I used to be the same now I find it highly amusing listening to them.
It’s obvious that when City run out of money they’re just gonna sell the branding rights to their ballsacks
bobbycharlie1968
I wanna make that rant into a poster, stick it up on my bedroom wall, and pray to it every morning.
Does anyone think lindergaard taking de gea’s first team place would be the biggest anti climax ever? seeing as we just spent 18 mill on him, that danish guy has some determination in him and will give de gea a real run for his money, he is confident as fuck and looks quality too.
Just finished watching highlights of the game…. Nice run out for the lads and always great to see them win. Excellent move for the first goal and I loved the goal by Park, nice skill and superb finish.
Park > wee Wes
Anderson > wee Wes
By the way listening to commentary in Spanish (Which I do not understand) is still far more enjoyable than having to listen to American commentary.
bobbycharlie1968
Another brilliant rant my friend, you are certainly on a roll! Keep it up
Manchuchu – i hope they crumble into submission when those arabs leave, their spending is on a ridiculous level and we know there are mercenaries at every football club but city are gradually them all, they’re inflating transfer and wages fees too.Manchuchu – i hope they crumble into submission when those arabs leave, their spending is on a ridiculous level and we know there are mercenaries at every football club but city are gradually them all, they’re inflating transfer and wages fees too.
slim says:
do we really need a midfielder? what a laugh
Do try to remember this was the Mickey Mouse all-stars we were playing against. Stoke won’t be so accomodating, let alone the decent teams in the Premier League and Europe.
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@Samuel
Good to see Lindegaard stepping up. He said when he arrived that he wanted to fight for the place of first-choice GK, and he seems to have that self-belief still.
I find it hard to believe that, after £18m spent, De Gea ill not be 1st choice, but it’s certainly good to have competition for that place.
Gradually gathering all mercenaries i mean.
Kanchelskis – i agree, we spent 18 mill so i don’t think that will go to waste, lindegaard believes in himself but clearly sir alex doesn’t believe in him enough to make him number 1, i guess he’ll have to keep proving himself but the good thing is, lindergaard is a top class number 2 compared to kuszscak, yeah competition will keep de gea real focused and as soon as he fully understand and speak english then that talent will shine.
hey guys,check out this article on Paul Pogba http://unbelievablejeff.over-blog.net/m/article-80312330.html
Berba hit the bar on purpose
@Kanchelskis and Samual
I think SAF identified in current keepers he didnt have what he wanted so bought both Lindergaard and Da Gea. Da Gea will be no 1 no doubt about it but we will see a more shared ratio than before for all cup games etc
On the topic of keepers, we still haven’t actually got rid of Kuscz yet, have we?…
@Kanchelskis
No mate the pig is still alive and kicking…well not kicking cant see him wearing a united shirt again.
And bobbycharlie1968 has been granted the title of “Winner of the Internetz” for the Day of 28th July, 2011 for his absolutely brilliant and thought-provoking rant on why Manchester City are a small time club and absolute scum in the world of club football.
cool stuff!
Giggs12 – i agree, i think sir alex has done good research on two of them and they’re quality, hopefully we will have long run in the cup competitions to give everyone a game.
After the poor performance of ben amos again wolves in the carling cup game, i thought he’d crumble but he seems to have come back stronger, a good number 3 as wel.Giggs12 – i agree, i think sir alex has done good research on two of them and they’re quality, hopefully we will have long run in the cup competitions to give everyone a game.
After the poor performance of ben amos again wolves in the carling cup game, i thought he’d crumble but he seems to have come back stronger, a good number 3 as wel.
@Samuel – We have never really produced a young goaly as unless they are absolute quality then they dont peak until 27+. Amos has looked quite sharp on tour and did so last year but look at Foster who was quality for birmingham city, he said he couldnt handle the pressure at United with the fans expecations and so on.
And Timmy Howard, has been brilliant for Everton but just was prone to clangers at United. The same can be said for the likes of Freidel at Liverpool etc
Beckham had a hard-on to score a goal.
@giggs12gerrard0
To be fair, Howard is still prone to the odd howler. Other than that, still a great keeper IMO.
Don’t know whether this has been posted in one of the older threads. Apologies in advance if it has.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_7064680,00.html – Small interview with Inter Cheif Executive Ernesto Paolillo. I have added the important quotes below.
“Are Manchester United still after Sneijder? We haven’t seen or heard from anyone; that’s a story I’ve heard from you,” he said.
“Is Wesley definitely not for sale? I don’t think there’s anything that can’t be sold, it all depends on the price.
It still seems very much of a smokescreen to me. With no definite responses being given, it is safe to assume that we are still in for him.
@giggs12gerrard0: fair enough mate, but i did not say i want Berba to chase around like Tevez because I know that style is different from one to another. I just meant that I want to see him put more effort on his game a little, for example in MLS all star game, there few occasions he gave the ball away pretty easily and carelessly, and that’s frustrated to see that since I knew he’s class act.
@Balaji Sivaraman: calm down mate, please read my comment above.
And no offend, nor am I a Berba hater, but those stats will not convince me, they’re just like Arsenal and United. I’m sure you will find many fantastic stats about Arsenal’s passing game, but when it comes to trophy, United is on top. People can use other stats to contradict your stats. I personally think he needs to step up his game a little in anyway whether to be more effective or whatever. That’s why he has not been playing big games and was out of squad in Champions League final. Everyone needs to step up when they come to United. Carrick stepped up his game to fill Roy Keane in a way. Rooney, Nani and Chicharito certainly did to replace Ronaldo. I just have not seen Berba stepped up his game since coming to United. And with Scholesy, Van der Sar and Neville retired, we need him to (along with Ando and Youngy) this season otherwise I can’t see his contract get renewed because I can see a Man United, a team in which determination and not giving up attitude define success, without Berba. Just my opinion.
@Kanchelskis
Yeah Howard is still prone but at least SAF has secured our keeping situation for the next 5-10 years. Just need Wesley now and we are in my view as close to our best as we have been since 2008
I’ve put this view forward before but I’ll repeat it for the hell of it.If we go into the season without a goalkeeper with proven EPL experience we are only an injury / not living up to expectations away from disaster and as I have also said previous our manager doesn’t do goalies very well.
Balaji Sivaraman
I don’t think there’s much doubt that Gill is working on this one behind the scenes, but at the same time, I don’t think we’ll hear any proper news on it until after midday on 31 August. If he comes, it’ll be a deadline-day drama. Money speaks, and Inter could do with some, from what I understand.
I just don’t think people are used to both clubs, and the player, being so damned professional during a big transfer. Usually either the player or the buying club can’t help themselves from running their mouths, trying to force the transfer through. At United, they seem to carry themselves rather differently, with a bit of dignity, class and respect for the selling club. Which means they don’t feed scraps to the press or the rumour mill, and we and fans just have to sit tight…
… oh, and watch our team enjoy a pre-season merrily dishing out thumpings, rather than getting seen to by Hull 3-0.
@musvn, I am very calm mate, not usually one to get into a hissy fit over a blog. However, I still cannot buy into people’s arguments when they say Berbatov does not put in any effort. I don’t who it was, but someone linked amazing stats that display Berbatov as being one of the most consistent workers in our team. He had one of the highest distance covered, tackles made etc. stats. You can say stats aren’t everything. But in this case, they are. They demonstrate Berbatov putting in more effort than people would like to give him credit for.
Also, I do not understand how people say he doesn’t seem to work that much. He actually works a lot more than somebody like Ronaldo ever did. As I said earlier, people do not notice it as much because he does it intelligently. He has said the same thing. Berbatov said that he works his socks off for the team but does so in a manner that does not cost him his legs and stamina as a result.
In the end, I don’t see any point arguing over it. No player has divided opinions like Berba has. I am a staunch supporter of his. I don’t think he needs to change anything at all. Sir Alex just has to find a way to utilize him effectively and then we can watch and adore a master at work.
@kanchelskis, Yeah, that is the general consensus on here and my opinion too. You nailed it perfectly when you said, “I just don’t think people are used to both clubs, and the player, being so damned professional during a big transfer.” That is about the fairest assessment of the situation one can give. Of course, we are not saying it is going to happen, but it has a fair chance of happening given the noises we are hearing from both parties.
Parryheid – you’re surely not suggesting we should’ve bought a goalie from somewhere in the premier league? Yeah the record post Schmeichel isn’t great, but that has nothing to do with getting foreign goalies. Yeah Barthez and Taibi were crap, but so were Bosnich and Carroll who came from within the league. Mate, the question is if new our goalies have the mentality to play in goal at Manchester United – you could get a goalie with proven EPL experience come in and still fuck it up because he can’t handle United! To suggest that we should have ignored massive talents of the likes of De Gea, Neur, Stekelenburg etc just because they play in foreign leagues is ridiculous. And by the way, do identify for me GKs with proven EPL experience who are actually anywhere near good enough to play for United! Injuries can fuck up any teams GK situation (that has nothing to do with who we sign!), and not living up to expectations – well, that has nothing to do with EPL experience…
Hi Balaji
That link was posted by Costas on the other thread, him and I had a good chuckle about it…
By the way, King Eric and his family are on their way to your part of the world for vacation. Might be a good idea for you guys to get in touch and perhaps meet up.
Balaji, stay calm, stay calm i tell ya, dammit stay calm , its just Nigellas tits, be calm , oi dammit
Balaji, Cedars said King Eric and FAMILY! So no belly dancing and camel mooning!
Dave
Not where I am my friend, belly dancing and booze galore
Ops, I miss read that Dave!
Oh yes and I agree, Balaji stay calm
Cedars, Dont mind no boozing, just want da belly dancers! u lucky bastard!
Dammit share ,share ,share ………
Damm , just thinking of them , now me horny,, where is my jenna jameson videos………
will be bak!
@bobbycharlie1968
Sir, I salute you…am loving your rants!
Anderson looked really good last night
Cheers all for the rant compliments, I’ve been known for them and I thought why not start sharing on RoM
Bobbycharlie. Another top rant pal. Responded in kind to your rant of yesterday. Top stuff mate. Truly sickening those cunts.
Why the fuck are people still slating Berba? What the fuck does he need to do? Did you see his use of the ball last night. He is sublime. Anderson looks decent at present and this run of games is just what he needs. A tough little bastard who drives us forward. Scoring goals as well now. He aint fat. He is a real stocky lad with a big arse in the dogleash mould. Only twenty two so still time. He will become a top drawer midfielder. I like Cleverly. He has that ability that scholes had in spades to always receive the ball in space. Jones had a good shift at full baclk and is a tough tackling kid who is not scared of the ball. Lindergaard is fighting for that number one shirt and fair play to him I like him. Rooney looks a beast. Park is a fantastic player and really knows how to finish. Danny wellbeck has exceeded my expectations. A classy player with a great touch. Frightening to think he is only twenty. Can go all the way this lad.
The squad looks strong now and is so young with players like Rooney carrick fletch vida pat and berba being the senior players now and hopefully thriving on it. Exciting times ahead people.
Finally came home and saw the Berbatov goal.
Great one-two by Berbatov with the post, I have got to say.
Now I know what gave Hernandez that concussion he suffered.
@Cedars @ Dave, Hey, I am always calm unless you flash those titties on me.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/07/28/2594176/inter-awaiting-formal-offer-from-manchester-united-for
And the saga continues..
@King Eric
Cheers mate, I just can’t stand them anymore. I’ve said enough on those cunts though so I’ll focus on United. Agree with you about us looking good, I personally think that even though pre season isn’t serious it can still provide a good platform for the season. For a start the new signings will blend in well and if we are winning games comfortably with good performances the confidence it breeds will seep into our start of the season, and that can only be a good thing. Think we are looking really good at the moment. And as much as I’d like a midfield signing, if Cleverley steps up, then I will be more than happy, to have another academy product in our team is more satisfying than buying the best out there. Both are obviously nice, but I’ll get a little extra satisfaction if Tom makes it.
King Eric
Hi buddy, top post. Agreed with you on all points
King Eric @ 14:02: “Why the fuck are people still slating Berba? What the fuck does he need to do? Did you see his use of the ball last night. He is sublime
“SUBLIME” ? No way. His interechange on the first goal was outstanding – OK, “sublime” – but he damned-near flubbed the chance he had for the third goal and, otherwise, he was not really at the races.
” I like Cleverly. He has that ability that scholes had in spades to always receive the ball in space. ”
Totally disagree – he was invisible in terms of attacking intent. From what I’ve seen, the kid is waaaay over-hyped.
You might be surprised that I would agree with you about Danny Welbeck – isn’t his body more like a man now ? – and Anderson, who had a very good game. BUT Michael Carrick was woeful and so was KikoTheKid.
Of the new guys – Lindegaard was excellent; Phil Jones was poised and, apart from one “ole moment” (and not an Ole-Gunner moment !) he did a fine job in different roles; finally, I still don’t see the reason for buying Ashley Young ‘cos he looked out of his depth.
For me, the brightest sparks were Vidic, TheWayneBoy, and ThreeLungPark. Rio looked fine but he was too casual and his first-half mistake was almost costly.
@musvn ffs you’re joking right?,stop picking on berba,you wish berba had the same determination as becks,firstly beckham would be trying extra hard because its utd.for berba its a pre season game against a bunch of tossers.Yeah berba run your ass off and pull a muscle before the season starts, get injured to show all the retards how detemined you are,beckham is already fully fit and half way through his season you daft bastard
@King Eric
I was most impressed by Rooney. His ability to change his style of play depending on the striker he is having to link up with is incredible. Think of it, he has the directness of Chicharito he has to deal with so drops deeper into midfield than normal strikers should. Then he has the idea, pace, and mentality that Berba has and they link up just as sweetly. AND HE’S A STRIKER. How many other fwds can you see that possess his talent and he’s only, what 25?
Completely agree with your post. Well said. Cheers
PAUL SCHOLES TALKS !
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1453957_replacing-me-its-no-big-deal-for-manchester-united-says-paul-scholes
denton you need to stop writing comments on berba mate,we all know you hate him and just talk shit,every arguement is flawed.Wow a berba comment without mentioning the blackburn and city games,must’ve forgot,no comments on Sir Alex not trusting him,slipping denton.tell you what just post berba comment number 1 out of the 150 negative comments you’ve made about him.it’ll be the same shit as the 150th.
I think the Berb must of shagged Denton’s woman lol.
@bobbycharlie1968
Top rant mate, but the bitters aren’t worth your time lol.
I like taking the piss out of their fans, though.
Denton
Every single post you write seems exactly identical to the previous one.
Haven’t caught up on all the posts yet, but predictably, the Berbaphobes are out in force. One has even managed to criticize him for almost missing his goal. So it’s come to that, has it? Oh deary me.
Anyway, based on some parts of last night’s performance, I would have to own up and say The Berb and rooney made a total mockery of my analysis yesterday that they just don’t gel together. But I’ve seen moments like that before and it doesn’t change my overall opinion. Still, we’ll soon have the chance to see if they have finally figured each other out, and I hope they have. I don’t mind being proved wrong and being made to look the fool over something like that.
Jones looks good, doesn’t he? Solid lad, too, and quicker than I expected. Some of his long balls forward were a bit rank, though.
I am very impressed with Lindegaard. Maybe de Gea will get the nod for number one, but Lindegaard has been ticking all the right boxes so far. I don’t know about the defenders, but I am already starting to feel some confidence about him. Let’s hope the defenders do too, because it’s essential for them to feel they can trust the man behind them.
Wayne @ 14:29: “denton you need to stop writing comments on berba mate,we all know you hate him and just talk shit,every arguement is flawed.”
Why ? Isn’t banter and opinion the basis for discussion. If not, then this would be a totally un-critical love-fest.
Besides, as I wrote yesterday, I don’t “hate” Dimmy – I just think he’s a square peg in a round hole – and I was very excited about his purchase three years ago. But facts keep intruding – he’s had one “good” half-season in three years at OT.
I’ve acknoweldged his silky skills and the fact that that “one “good” half season” was terrific but you DentonDismissers need to take a reality check – how many key matches has he played in ? why was he not even on the bench for the CL final ?
Equally, last night – against really inferior opposition – he had one moment of “sublime skill” and damned-nearly flubbed an open chance. Otherwise he was pretty pedestrian. Is “pedestrian” your idea of UTD-quality ? It sure as hell ain’t mine.
“But there are no guarantees. You could sign Sneijder for £35-40m and it might not work out. He went to Real Madrid and it didn’t quite work out for him there, so you just don’t know.”
Ha! Welcome to the anti Wes brigade Scholesy.
StateSideAussie @ 14:41: “the Berbaphobes are out in force. One has even managed to criticize him for almost missing his goal. So it’s come to that, has it? Oh deary me.”
Look at the video again. Sure he got a goal but it was “lucky” in that his first shot bounced off the cross-bar directly back to him. It hasn’t “come to that”, it’s more about viewing the evidence and forming an opinion.
Is anyone who is sceptical of Dimmy’s role – like you ! – now considered a “Berbaphobe” and not just a “BerbaSceptic” ? It’s not a matter of saying the guy is a bad player but, rather, a rather finer point: he just doesn’t seem to be the right guy in the right place at the right time. I’m sure that that distinction isn’t too subtle – or is it ?
C’mon, be honest, you essentially admit this in the very next paragraph: ” I would have to own up and say The Berb and rooney made a total mockery of my analysis yesterday that they just don’t gel together. But I’ve seen moments like that before and it doesn’t change my overall opinion.”
One swallow doesn’t make a summer – and one moment of exquisite interchange between two top-level professionals doesn’t make a partnership. And, let’s be clear about this – in this “partnership” the junior partner has to be a guy who can bring out the best in TheWayneBoy. Dimmy rarely does that.
Scholes is in the Modric crew lol.
Costas
You know what happens when Scholes is on your side hey? He whacks them down, sends them home crying and ensures victory for his team.
Welcome to our clique Ginger Prince
denton in every comment prior to slagging berba off,its always don’t hate dimmy just a square peg,then precede to have a go and no with you it isn’t banter its just made up shit to prove points that don’t exist.When berba was benched last year he was close to being top in all stats including goals per minute,everytime he played made utd better,utd are a much better team with berba pulling the strings and don’t give me the quick break nonsense,how many quick break goals did utd score last year? it’ll be a very small %.Show me one berba comment of yours that’s positive,i’ll lay odds even after is hat trick against the dippers you had negative things to say.Really need to lay off him denton,for whatever reason you have a bias that makes no sense and everyone can see that.
Ginger clique?
Count me out.
Denton … banter and opinion may be the basis for discussion, but continued repetition of the same opinions and the same banter is the basis for boredom. Just because you have the right to say something, doesn’t mean you have to exercise that right. I used to enjoy reading some of your posts — I don’t always agree, but I generally thought they were thought-provoking. But this Berba thing is becoming obsessive.
Why was he not on the bench for the CL? Because SAF, in his own words, expected a close, tight match; he therefore stacked the bench with midfielders, to the extent that he could have only one defender and one striker; and since he expected a close, tight match, with the probably need to sneak a late goal, he chose Owen for that spot. But it didn’t work out that way, did it? And no, I am not slagging SAF — he had to make the call as he saw it, and everyone’s a genius in hindsight. For me, the most telling point wasn’t that The Berb failed to make the bench. It was that having set the ben ch up the way he did, SAF then didn’t even bother using all the allowable subs. He neither tapped the bench for all those midfield options he so carefully set up, nor did he use Owen. In short, The Berb was sacrificed for a specific plan that, in the end, was a complete waste.
As for last night’s match, are you really poking a stick at The Berb for “nearly flubbing” a goal? Really, I think you need to get a grip. Oh, and it wasn’t an “open chance” as you say. I don’t know which game you were watching, but in the one I saw, the goalie was right in front of him and closing him down pretty quickly. If that’s what you call an open chance, then I think you are losing it.
Well, it’s Thursday morning. Trash day. I need to take the bins out. I’ll print as copy of your post and take it with me. Seems appropriate, to be honest.
@willie
Lol, he is a lone wolf then. Not that I am desperate to see Modric in red or anything, but I do believe that between him, Sneijder and Nasri he is closest to the type of midfielder we need. But he will never join us.
@Cedars
We now have the dark side in our corner mate. I pity the fools.
Right, we should really be concerned. We just ran our preseason to 4 wins and zero losses, one trophy, one MVP, and only one head knock to put up in the injury list. Not bad. We have 2 reserve keepers in Amos and Lindegaard who have now been brought in and have started to settle really well. Jones and Smalling continue to impress by and large. I think you have got to say confidence is high fitness is high, team comradery seems really good. First full preseason for Wayne in many many years, if ever really.
Business end of the pre season has just started but Sir Alex said his hope v Barca is the lads have fun.
I am impressed with the hunger and fitness levels. Wellbeck and Macada in particular showing a great deal of maturity on the ball even though they must be under amazing pressure.
Part of the reason for the modest scoring is that we are giving some 24+lads large numbers of minutes. Lads like Young are a bit to eager to impress and are not patient. Same with the young strikers. The overall tactical sophistication will not be a high priority. One might expect the final shape and maturity of the senior squad will not be seen until the team settles into the final games v barca and the bitters. But even those games will be very experimental without Valencia and a completely new keeper in David deGea. There is alot of optimism in this team. I am just so pleased to see a confident and well executed preseason so far. Vidic for me has been amazing. The defense in general has been unbelievable given the integration of 3 new keepers and Jones. Very pleased really.
Denton … if you read my post from yesterday, you will see I “admitted” no such thing. I went out of my way in that post to make the point that I consider the inability of Rooney and The Berb to “gel” is not The Berb’s fault, nor Rooney’s. It is just one of those things. You could the “blame” equally on either, and equally on neither. I haven’t seen any evidence that The Berb doesn’t fit with the other players. His combination play with Nani and Scholes last year was superb. He fits with others too.
I quite enjoyed that match last night. It’s crazy that Beckham is still unreal yet Henry is woeful. Beckhams passing and shooting is still perfect. Lovely to see it was. Parks gonna have his biggest season yet this year i hope. He’s looked more the part this past while back then we’ve ever seen. He’s gonna answer the doubters who say he was bought for shirt sales. Roll on the new season.
@ Denton Davey
Serious questions!
1. Are you older than 16?
2. Have you played the game (football)
3. What country are you from.
@Costas I saw the game live on ESPN HD and just watched it again on DVR, Jones is a great young Man Utd player. His positioning was fine, he and Park ruled the right side stopping and banging on Henry. His closing speed and quickness is awesome. He has heart and brains and a high soccer IQ. I just might have a new man man on the come here.Then Smalling came in played RB and Jones went to CB and was fine there as well. He has duck feet looks a little odd running as be come shoulder to shoulder his duck feet find the ball without a foul.
Doghouse … “Also loved how they made us look like Barca. Though it was kind of sad as that reminded me how we made Barca look like Barca.” Mate, that’s both funny and perceptive. Haven’t seen you on here much recently, but keep ‘em coming!
@willie Ginger clique? Sign me up add the fee to WRD-TV please. Does the membership include a Red wig?
StateSideAussie @ 14:57: “But this Berba thing is becoming obsessive.”
I totally agree BUT the un-critical BerbaLove really gets to me. As you might have noticed, I don’t make unprovoked responses nor do I question Dimmy’s skills but, rather, reply to the comments made by others.
About the goal last night – Dimmy is a top-level professional. I don’t dispute that – in fact, I’ve gone out of my way to add that along with every comment about “square peg/round hole”. BUT the guy has “history” – yeah, the FA Cup semi-final misses ! Last night, he just about did a reprise. He had the keeper at this mercy thanks to a superb diagonal cross from TheWayneBoy; Dimmy’s skill brought the ball under instantaneous control; BUT then he shot too high. We’re not talking about a guy who is a second-division journeyman – Dimmy is a top-level professional but, like I said, the guy has history. His initial miss did nothing to calm by scepticism; his ability to recoup the situation and bulge-the-old-onion-basket was lucky in that the ball bounced off the cross-bar directly to him.
Do you really want to rely on a guy who can’t beat the keeper one-on-one – a guy who has “history” (and recent history) in this regard ? I don’t. I expect that when my guy is perfectly set up then he’ll bury the chance. Hell, when Chicharito has been “imperfectly set up” he’s buried the chances. Dimmy Don’t Do Dat !!!!!
Robbo @ 15:24
I’ve been a UTD fan since 1958 = when I was ten years old, living in Vancouver. I’ve played a bit as a school=boy but I don’t see how that’s relevant to having an opinion. I now live in Toronto and for the last ten years (or more) I have been fortunate to be able to see almost every match that TheLads play because pay-TV and satellite-TV have created new world order for watching my home-town team. Like my moniker says, I was born in Denton on the Ashton Road. Just saying…..
@Zibbie
Ah, thanks buddy. At last someone noticed my question, lol. I am very interested in how young Jones performs at right back because I have a feeling that Fergie is considering him for that role. That way the twins won’t have to carry the load by themselves and Smalling won’t have to play at right back, which is a waste of his talents as a central defender. Going by your description, Jones is eager to settle in the role.
Zibbie – A free Red wig just for you lol. And a couple of bloody Mary’s!
Why Sneijder when you can Arteta?
Seriously.
@willie, I don’t always drink Bloody Mary’s but when I do, I prefer Grey Goose.
Heavy on the Worcestershire with fresh grated horseradish Tabasco to taste with celery salt and a Pickle of big Spanish olives depending on my mood.
willie I forgot Mr, Stiel’s homade tomato juice.
Costas I echo your sentiments, Evra and the twins with DeLat on loan are it at true full back. SAF has tried Evans at LFB and Smalling and Jones at RFB to see if he needs to buy or not at that position, I believe he trust in the 3 to do a fine job when and where ever they play. Like all Red players they just play, ie: Giggs at FB, Tony V at FB. Rooney at 9,10, RW, CAM, FB emergency keeper. ect. ect. ect.
Costas Jones is a top flight player and he will force SAF hand for playing time!!!!!!!!!! At RFB, CB and his future home in front of the back four. What a team.
StateSideAussie (and others) apparently TheWayneBoy said that Dimmy should have scored with the first chance. Usually I don’t credit what these guys say but…….not exactly a vote of confidence, eh ?
Rooney, who couldn’t hit a barn door, in the first half of last season? Lol. You’re reaching Denton.
Denton … willie’s right. All strikers miss chances. The only objective way to measure what you say would be to look at the stats. I already posted them yesterday or the day before. Last year, Hernandez had a conversion rate (shots/goals) of 0.27, Berbatov 0.23, and Rooney 0.13. Another measure, shots on target, was pretty even for all them: 0.62 for Hernandez, 0.61 for both Berbatov and Rooney. There’s not much to pick out of that, between Hernandez and Berbatov. I don’t have the league-wide figures. I could get them but it would take some work and tbh, I don;t see the point, because no matter what anyone says, objectively or subjectively, you are never going to change your opinion.
@Balaji Sivaraman: fair enough mate, I respect your point of view. Oh, and what is Berba’s weakness do you think? It would be interesting to hear that
WillieRedNut @ 17:11: “Rooney, who couldn’t hit a barn door, in the first half of last season? Lol. You’re reaching Denton”
It was pretty clear (to me, at least) that SAF has been willing to bend over backwards (and say “thank you very much”) so some players, some of the time. For whatever reason, SAF has built his most recent version of TheLads around TheWayneBoy so, yeah, whether or not Rooney could hit the side of a barn door is kinda beside the point. The point being that TheWayneBoy is the “new sherrif in town”.
StateSideAussie – “lies, damned lies, and statistics”. I’d rather trust my obsessional observations.
musvn … if you want to hear Berba’s weaknesses, you should ask Denton. I reckon he could provide a pretty long list.
Seriously, though, weaknesses are pretty much in the eye of the beholder. For a start, they are often relative — relative to the opposition, the conditions and the state of play. For another thing, weaknesses are often offset by strengths in other areas (either their own strengths, or those around them) — there isn’t a single player in the world who is strong in every possible way. Indeed, the art of building a team is very much about the manager’s skill in finding players whose strengths and weaknesses balance each other out.
You’re pissing into the wind Denton. It’s already been said, Rooney has carte blanche at OT.
Berbatov is staying, so get used to that idea.
Denton … If you are prepared to state that you will never, ever use any statistics in support of any argument that you make, then I’ll go along with that. Otherwise it’s not a case of “lies, damned lies and statistics”, it’s just about you cherry-picking stats to suit your own ends while dumping on any stats that someone else presents.
I personally like that Man Utd have so many different top class strikers. Who should start what games depends on so many things. The players seem to force his hand, meaning SAF has an eye for who is playing best now and not burn them out. He rotates to fight on all fronts with the BEPL tittle his main target. Man Utd play so many games a first 11 over time has become a first 16 or so. Rooney is the man now, not right not wrong he just is. Lil Pea has become the worlds best young on the up striker. As willie has put so perfect many times.
If Berba is happy as the 3rd striker so am I. Why Berba people must tear down other Man Utd players to build their argument, that’s what I disagree with. Most don’t some due then the Berba thing become as divisive as abortion talk. Side’s are taken insults fly. RoM eats their own then. I have liked this discussion and for the most part people have not made to many personal attacks. Now that is cool.
Never seen anyone defending Berba tear down other utd players to make a point not one,I’d like to see proof of that
Of course you would wayne I thought we had agreed not to comment to each other for sake of the site.
I know you would be happy with the players being indentured servants never comment to me again wayne. I never comment on how fucking stupid I think you are.
You are a trouble maker leave me alone.
I will not comment again to you unless you start the shit like every other fucking time.
When a statement is made that doesn’t seem to ring true just like to see the comment
Fuck you wayne the horse you road in on and never refer or talk to me again. Nuff said.
you have gone at me recruited others and bleed over to other story’s. you make you own bed hear man and people see you for you sorry ass trouble making self, fuck off and never comment to me again as I do not to the others who have trouble with me. Honor this or hurt the site. Done with you cock head.
I never went at you or recruited others lol what a laugh,you were being a vile crazy cunt slagging off long time rom users for no reason,I tried to be the voice of reason and you told me to fuck off,so fuck you.
I’ve already decided you either have mental problems or come on here wasted and half the time don’t even know what the fuck you’re saying.
You just made accusations about people who defend berba,I’m asking for proof? If you don’t have proof stop writing lies and you won’t hear from me
wayne
I agree, only a daft bastard would want Berba to run his ass off and pull a muscle before the season has even started. Or a berba hater.
They spout twaddle and throw vague criticisms, connecting any thought or action anywhere in the universe to back their spurious claims.
And if you engage in discussion, or ask a civil question, they launch fearful bluster to distract attention from their idiocy.
Some suggest ignoring their spiteful lies, but we cannot idly stand by as evildoers attack United.
Your valiant defense of Dimitar is noted and respected. The haters bile hides nothing.
Wayne. Spot on mate. Zibbie is a piece of fucking work. Talking about personal attacks? That is fucking rich coming from the geezer that called me , Kings and Rai wifebeaters! Added to the fact my wife is five months pregnant and Kings aint married. Rais is also pregnant. Sick fucker.
Cronekills. Thanks a lot mate and spot on about Rooney.
Smartalex. Hello mate. Hope you are well. Well said.
King Eric. I am well buddy, thanks! I trust you are strong and healthy?
It is wonderful news that Mrs Eric is expecting an FA Youth Cup 2029 Winner! I remember that you and Rai are to be Dads. Expect to be posting on RoM while attending to your child at ungodly hours.
I’m afraid that it’s patently obvious that frequent flare-ups of violently insane behaviour are very much a part of Zibbie’s modus operandi.
Will he ever see himself as he is seen? I expect not.
What is to be expected is never ending tirades of bile mixed into a variety of newly formed pleasantries and mishmash of general opinions.
Same three insane cunts who pick fight’s reassuring each other they are not the cunts. Never comment to me you three again, Scott had to come on last time you 3 fucking donkey cunts. This is not your site. Smartass you have gone after 3 others since me you fucking tool. Shut the fuck up, all of us 4 know how we feel about the others. Never say shit to or about me. And I will return the favor to RoM as well.
Smart Ass last attack on a regular brought comment from long time readers and first time poster saying you a Smart Ass out of line. Your Cunts, I am a cunt the whole site gets that you fucking smucks.
An over educated art critic living off a government grant who sits on multiple site’s being Jude Dreed ripping of the tax payers. hahahahahahahaha
A Junkie who RoM help rehab. Who still has all his junkie issues of hate and anger of self, turned on others.
An an embittered tyrant who wants 1955 back when owners owned the players.
The 3 of you fuck off and never post about me or to me again. I have people I mingle with and that pisses you off. King Junkie even scolds people who chat with me. Fuck you. And call them cunts. So everone of 15 to 20 here are cunts then King Junkie.
Today Wayne started it and you 2 pussy’s jumped in. Not Zibbie you tools. You Fools. Your cyber bullies, fuck off and leave me alone here got it Donkey Cunts. Let this be done and over you 3 fools.
@StatesideAussie: well said mate
and guys please keep it down a little bit, we’re here for the same direction
Zibbie – Oh thats good mate. “King Junkie”. As I say pal been clean for around 5 years . No hatred from me , just don’t like you and the way you operate. You have the nerve to mention personal attacks and there is nobody on this site who is as bad as you . “Donkey Cunts”. Grow up you trailer park trash. Talking of drugs , Wayne called it right, you come on here smashed and talk shite. Mug.
Furthermore you scumbag little prick it was YOU who started it all with the name calling of Wifebeaters. In this country that is a pretty shit thing to say. Go and do some wrestling you clown.
smartalex – Spot on my friend. Zibbie is a fucking mental case who is nothing but a violent mixed up weirdo.
What a strange strange dude
you’re a fucking coward zibbie took you hours to come back and make attacks when everyone was asleep.i don’t believe a fucking word you say all that bollocks last week about going to chicago fuck me.Oh and i didn’t start this you did by making accusations lies and i’m still waiting for answers,start shouting your mouth off much as you like still doesn’t change the fact you’re a lying cunt.
yeah i’m a embittered tyrant i grew up working class in a union,fucking clubs are going bankrupt and ticket prices are going through the roof because of players demands,you fucking thick stupid lying bastard.were is my proof stop writing lies that also includes zibbies journal or zibbies fantasy life or whatever the fuck goes on in that fucked up brain of yours.
StateSideAussie @ 18:59: “If you are prepared to state that you will never, ever use any statistics in support of any argument that you make, then I’ll go along with that. Otherwise it’s not a case of “lies, damned lies and statistics”, it’s just about you cherry-picking stats to suit your own ends while dumping on any stats that someone else presents.”
I’m not “dumping on” the statistics you presented so much as saying – by quoting Disraeli’s famous quip – that statistics can be turned-and-twisted.
I don’t dispute that Dimmy has a superior “scoring ratio” to TheWayneBoy BUT let’s not forget that Dimmy almost never shoots from distance whereas Rooney does so frequently – and this kind of long-range shot is almost-always NOT successful. So, Rooney’s proclivity to shoot from distance massively impacts the denominator in the statistical equation.
However, this “clever” statistical rejoinder is really beside the point that I’ve tried to make – Dimmy has – OK – let’s be polite – “under=performed” in most of his big-game performances. The hat-trick against LiverPoo was, quite literally, the exception which proves the rule.
What you – and the other DimmyLovers – have to take on-board is that he has had one superb half-season in three full years at OT. He has massively under-performed away from Old Trafford and in the CL. Most of his goals last season were scored at OT, against the weaker opponents from the EPL which is the very-definition of a flat-track bully. He missed those two chances in the FACup semi-final and – I’m not sure, but I think it was in 2009 – he took a very slovenly penalty that was easily saved which played a not-insignificant part in the exit to Everton in the same competition.
I’m still NOT a BerbaHater – I consider myself to be a BerbaSceptic. I always acknowledge that the guy has superb “silky” skills but he just doesn’t seem to mesh with the up-tempo style that SAF prefers. He doesn’t bring out the best in TheWayneBoy, who is the most important attacking player in this iteration of SAF’s UTD.
YET, the silky skills and sublime touches are there for all to see BUT there’s more to winning than that. It’s a team-game and that’s why I consider Dimmy to be a square peg in a round hole. At the end of it, it’s not about “cherry-picking” statistics to suit my argument – or yours – so much as judgement (and, of course, opinion).
Finally, let me say that I don’t “dump on” others who have contrary opinions but I simply try to propose an alternate way of looking at the issue. I do wonder, however, why the BerbaLovers are so thin-skinned and seem to take personal offence to a different viewpoint/opinion. Just saying……
denton – A flat track bully he may be in your opinion but without those goals we wouldnt have won the league.
denton davey
As this thread slows to a crawl I wonder, should I use this opportunity to speak my mind?
I’m never shy to express my considered opinion. However, expression is only preferred if truth is successfully conveyed. My thoughts centre not on the content of your comment, but on the delivery.
Intrigued? Please, advise me to express clearly and directly in this regard.
My well-intentioned feedback is all that I offer.
Ffs Denton? You’re starting to embarrass yourself man, with this obsession of Berbatov.
Give it a rest. I’ve always enjoyed your posts, but if you look around, you’re all on your lonesome fella.
I’ve been critical of certain players on this blog, but you carry it on every fucking day.
No ones saying, you can’t have an opinion. Just try and broaden it out. Stop with this fixation on Berbatov.
Help me, to help you, eh?
@wayne I,m here fucking twat, I live in CST fuck head, see you bring your bile to another thread. You start the shit you racist fuck. And recruit other manginas.
Leave me out of your group of hate fucknut.
You show your true colors most see you 3 are the problem not me.
Now I’m a racist lol what a loser,you made accusations I’m still waiting to see the comments.You start all the trouble on here then blame everyone else.
At 19.23 you said don’t understand why people tear other utd players to build up berba,I made one simple comment asking for proof.instead of giving me the proof I received five abusive posts before finally defending myself.that’s all you do start ranting and raving and getting abusive trying to deflect from the original simple question that was asked
I have no doubt you’re either mentally ill or a junkie you have serious problems.
Oh and after all the nonsense I’m still waiting for proof and your comment was plural so I’m expecting to see a whole lot of cut and paste comments slagging utd players and building up berba
One more thing if you can’t produce these so called comments made by more than berba defender
It’ll be clear to everyone who the trouble maker and liar is
Before you go to sleep tonight maybe get the nice nurse to wipe the dribble of your chin and
change your diaper,might not make you so horrible
Nonchalantly bandying false accusations of racism or violent crimes against women diminishes the actual victims and the abusive crimes they suffered. When words like wife-beater or racist are used without context or reason in place of common swear words it is accepted that the accuser is referencing their own guilt.
-He performs the abhorrent acts. Fear of recognition, retribution and ridicule force him to hide.
-When he feels threatened, he reaches in to himself to find his weakest points, and attacks those places in the person he feels threatened by.
smartAlex @ 17:17: “Intrigued? Please, advise me to express clearly and directly in this regard….My well-intentioned feedback is all that I offer.”
Of course I’m intrigued and would be more than happy to hear your feedback – after all, isn’t feedback the life-blood of this (or any other) blog ?
KingEric – of course his goals played a key role in winning # 19 but you’re making an argument-from-silence – how do you know that those goals might not have come from elsewhere ? Admittedly, most of those goals came early on – in his stellar first-half of the season – and, admittedly, who would have been the-man-from-elsewhere ?
BUT, having made those admissions is not tantamount to retracting my opinion. I’ve never said he was “lazy” or “useless”; what I have said – repeatedly (and, obviously, to the irritation of some, over-and-over again) is that he’s largely been a disappointment. AND, let’s make this point again, I’ve not blamed Dimmy or personalized my criticism/scepticism. Yeah, sure, he’s said all the right things although let’s not forget that he also cashes in a cheque for almost 100,000 quid a week so he’s not an ingrate. BUT the fact remains that in five out of six half-seasons, his performances have been disappointing. “Disappointing” is my very-carefully chosen word because I really expected more from him; much, much more than he has delivered.
To be fair, I am not sure how much of that “disappointment” is his fault – square peg/round hole – and how much of it was due to inflated expectations on my part. But, be that as it may be, I’m still not convinced – and remain perplexed by his loyal defenders’ inability (or refusal) to come to grips with Dimmy’s failure to live up to expectations. UTD paid 30.75 million for a guy who was supposed to do more than reach the expected level-of-performance in one out of six half-seasons. Sure, he didn’t force SAF to pay that money but – get real ! – SAF paid that money because he thought that Dimmy would reach the expected level-of-performance on a consistent basis when he was surrounded by better players.
WillieRedNut – I’m not forcing you to read my opinions. Lots of other guys see my name and just move on. However, some of the guys who disagree with me – you, King Eric, StateSideAussie are the ones who spring to mind – don’t seem willing to accept that we can share a difference of opinion. Indeed, sometimes a difference of opinion leads to much more interesting discussion. It’s in the remoted hope of interesting discussion that I continue to belabour my points.
denton davey
O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us.
I’m not sure that the Bard would enjoy that gift, for to live in ever-present knowledge of others experiencing ourselves, would drive a man insane. Still, feedback is good.
I expect that to any infrequent reader almost all your comments would be enjoyed as intelligent views articulately and pleasantly given. Whether they agreed to the logic or thrust of your views, or not.
As a regular RoM reader, to me most of your comments are repetitive. The same key words and catchy phrases are redeployed with monotonous frequency and dubious connection. I find myself staring into an abyss of impossible perception as those mind-control moments launch me through the spectrum of your common threads. Reminded of opinions never accepted, and complicatedly linked, I lose the plot, and consequently another comment goes into the ‘pending’ box in my brain.
All the comments that you submit that do not address those recurring hypnotic subliminal messages are very different and eminently readable.
smartalex repeat the same lie long enough sooner or later people start believing,denton is a republican lol
Denton Davey – It’s not about opinions this time. Your constant attacks on Berbatov have become tiresome. Again, you say, some other player would of scored the goals Berbatov scored last season, that ultimately, helped United win the league. He did score those goals man, so what is your point? You say, you’re not a Berbatov hater? Your posts, disprove this. You keep saying, I’ve never said he’s lazy? Fair enough, you attack the guy, in other ways. Like, he scores his goals at home mostly. Who cares where he scores his goals! They all count fella. As you can see though, It’s not just me, who sees this going on with you and the repetitive attacks on Berbatov. I hope you will take some of my points on board, but I fear you’re far too stubborn on this subject.
Wayne @ 0:42 – I’m Canadian, NOT American, so I’m not ” a republican lol”
WillieRedNut @ 0:51: “Fair enough, you attack the guy, in other ways.” I don’t attack Dimmy, I merely criticize him – and, more so, his blind worship by the BerbaLovers. Of course all goals count; but for UTD games at OT were almost all “easy” compared to the club’s away form – don’t you think it’s relevant to point out that Dimmy made little contribution to improving the away form ?
Don’t worry about me “taking your points on board”, I greatly appreciate your knowledge and insight but – obviously – we have a different view on some of these points.
I know that a lot of you guys find my posts “tiresome” but I find the uncritical BerbaLove to be even more so; I tend to respond to statements of BerbaLove that uncritically praise the guy – some balance is needed, I’d think. But, maybe I’m just wasting my time – it’s hard to convince people to look with someone else’s eyes.
Don’t forget that in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
denton – Not getting into a long post as at work but Blackpool away and West Ham away spring to mind. Six points right there. May not have scored at Upton Park but his introduction made a world of difference.
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It is disingenuous of you to say “don’t you think it’s relevant to point out that Dimmy made little contribution to improving the away form ?”
That sentence alone is enough to turn your statement into a horrible sneaky attack.
Firstly you employ trickery and complication in order to make your points. Saying “Don’t you think that it’s relevant to point out” is sneaky because you’re asking a question about the expression of an opinion that will waste our time. Any answer given will be irrelevant and also ignored, if not attacked. Make your statement and allow us to judge that statement.
Secondly, you are taking a group consideration and using it against one member of that group. If it can be considered that “Dimmy made little contribution to improving the away form” then it is equally true that “ALL of the players made little contribution to improving the away form” and this should not be used against 1 player.
It is because you show this unfair bias against Berbatov that your actions must be disliked by United supporters.
You do attack Dimitar Berbatov. It is not true or accurate to say that you merely criticise him.
Further, you are completely wrong to say that the ‘uncritical BerbaLove’ requires balance, actually he is over criticised and unfairly attacked, and the scale requires balancing positivity. Also, your admittance that you are trying to redress that ill-perceived imbalance is confirmation of your unfair and over-bearing criticism.
You think people are too nice to Berbatov, so you are addressing that balance.
Stop that right now.
Only criticise him when it is due, not when you are reacting to another fan’s love.
Denton Davey – You’re missing the point here. It’s not about Berba lovers, or Berba haters. It’s your refusal, to give the guy a break. You don’t want to seem, to do that. The thing about you and other fans that don’t like Berbatov, would probably take judas Tevez over Berbatov. There is no balance in your argument fella. You’re quick to point out, the 2 chances Berbatov missed at Wembley. Now, if you were really all about balancing out your argument, you would add, that Berbatov had been dropped by Fergie. Which imo, made him lose his mojo in front goal. Imagine this, if the Berb had of been playing regularly, before the semi final at Wembley, would he of taken one of those chances? His form, in the first half of the season, would suggest, yes. We know he’s a confidence player. Most strikers are.
By him being dropped, to allow Rooney to get himself back into form, impacted greatly, on Berbatov’s form and confidence. That’s a balanced argument Denton. No mater what you say, his goals helped achieve a record 19th title.
hope anderson gets to play futher up the field this season. nice to see him score
great goal from park